Zorn's comments regarding Malcolm Kelly

[inevitable]

Having just watched JZ's PC, when asked why #12 wasn't on the field he said something along the lines of:

He went full go during pre game, went to see the trainer before the game started, they saw swelling, and ruled him out.

He then proceeded to say:

I don't see how he could conceivably help this football team anytime soon, so we have to discuss a plan for him.

Now as a Kelly supporter since he was drafted, I'm really concerned with these comments; it seems in this situation that the wrap about him coming out of college was correct, and if he indeed can't play at all this season, it was a very significant mishap by our scouting personnel, and by VC.

All I can say is hearing this, particularly the last piece, is extremely disappointing. I thought MK could be a huge help to this team in the red zone.

[CNYSkinFan]

Mr. kelly...meet injured reserve

[LATrueRedskin]

He's not going to help us any time soon. He had a chance to get his feet wet in the preseason, and got injured. Zorn's not going to experiment with him on the field during regular season games. I don't really see Devin Thomas contributing much this year either.

[redwolf1218]

Mr. kelly...meet injured reserve

is it too late for the PUP list?

[esmith1790]

Mr. kelly...meet injured reserve


That sure doesnt help his 4 year contract.

1st = IR
2nd = normal WR frist year
3rd = to show
4th = to show

Not much time before he becomes a RFA.

[redwolf1218]

i would not put him on IR. i would think either PUP list for 8 games if he can play later, or else they blew it on that pick and he gets cut.

[esmith1790]

i would not put him on IR. i would think either PUP list for 8 games if he can play later, or else they blew it on that pick and he gets cut.

they wont cut him just IR him and see how he progresses.

[redwolf1218]

they wont cut him just IR him and see how he progresses.

No IR, that's the whole year, he should not need that much time.

[smoak]

He's not going to help us any time soon. He had a chance to get his feet wet in the preseason, and got injured. Zorn's not going to experiment with him on the field during regular season games. I don't really see Devin Thomas contributing much this year either.

Agreed (unfortunately)

[redwolf1218]

Devin Thomas has a chance, his knees arent busted. he's just way behind on the mental aspect.

[LATrueRedskin]

Devin Thomas has a chance, his knees arent busted. he's just way behind on the mental aspect.

And he's way behind with the speed of the NFL, his mechanics coming off the line, route running, and kick returns. He definately has talent, but he hasn't shown much progress in the 5 preseason games he had the chance to.

The only offensive rookie I see making a significant impact this year is Fred Davis.

[esmith1790]

And he's way behind with the speed of the NFL, his mechanics coming off the line, route running, and kick returns. He definately has talent, but he hasn't shown much progress in the 5 preseason games he had the chance to.

The only offensive rookie I see making a significant impact this year is Fred Davis.

IF Thomas is healthy and wont really contribute that forces the skins hand on Kelly. i dont know if they can keep 6 WRs and have Kelly be banged up and super behind and have Thomas way behind.

[Bengal224ord]

Devin Thomas has a chance, his knees arent busted. he's just way behind on the mental aspect.

You may be right...Thomas has not shown up. I haven't seen anything that get me excited. I sure hope at least 1 of the 3 high picks breaks through.

Go Skins....

r/s
Bengal224ord

[redwolf1218]

And he's way behind with the speed of the NFL, his mechanics coming off the line, route running, and kick returns. He definately has talent, but he hasn't shown much progress in the 5 preseason games he had the chance to.

The only offensive rookie I see making a significant impact this year is Fred Davis.

i agree about Fred Davis. right now, these guys are all at the half way point of their college season (10 games), and the NFL has not even started yet. not to mention OTA's and training camp.

our kick returns are like this: run straight ahead into a brick wall. that's Danny Smith's philosophy. it works on shorter kicks (run it out to the 30), and fails on good kicks (down it in the endzone, or get killed at the 20).

[LATrueRedskin]

IF Thomas is healthy and wont really contribute that forces the skins hand on Kelly. i dont know if they can keep 6 WRs and have Kelly be banged up and super behind and have Thomas way behind.

I hear ya, especially when McMullen is actually out on the field making plays during the preseason. I think we can afford to have Thomas progress along the pace that he needs to, but we can't do it with 2 receivers, especially when Kelly's knee flares up during simple pre-game warmups.

[redwolf1218]

we are back where we started, with Moss and Randle El. all this talk about how great Thrash is in practice, but where is he come game time? Kelly is hurt, and Thomas is a non-factor so far. McMullen might have to make it, with Kelly on the PUP list.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Having just watched JZ's PC, when asked why #12 wasn't on the field he said something along the lines of:

He went full go during pre game, went to see the trainer before the game started, they saw swelling, and ruled him out.

He then proceeded to say:

I don't see how he could conceivably help this football team anytime soon, so we have to discuss a plan for him.

Now as a Kelly supporter since he was drafted, I'm really concerned with these comments; it seems in this situation that the wrap about him coming out of college was correct, and if he indeed can't play at all this season, it was a very significant mishap by our scouting personnel, and by VC.

All I can say is hearing this, particularly the last piece, is extremely disappointing. I thought MK could be a huge help to this team in the red zone.

I agree with what others have posted on this issue, but I would also suggest that Zorn is probably frustrated with Kelly and other issues (like the rest of the team), so he may be blowing off a little steam with his comment.

[redwolf1218]

I agree with what others have posted on this issue, but I would also suggest that Zorn is probably frustrated with Kelly and other issues (like the rest of the team), so he may be blowing off a little steam with his comment.

you are probably right, and i'm glad he feels comfortable blowing off steam. he looked really pissed off on the sidelines, pacing around scowling. he looked disgusted.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

you are probably right, and i'm glad he feels comfortable blowing off steam. he looked really pissed off on the sidelines, pacing around scowling. he looked disgusted.

Then he must have looked like how I feel. I am going to try to avoid exaggeration with this comment. I don't spend all week obsessing about the Skins, but the times I do think about them this week (which is always often) I will not be sitting comfortably. We have a lot of problems. Everyone is talking about Campbell, rightfully so. But, has anyone actually watched our defense the last three games. Our defense makes JC's performances look like a HOF. Jets receivers were open all day and if not for drop passes, Jets would have put up a few scores. Carolina run up and down the field all day, so much so, that they had 2 100 yard rushers. Ms. Cleo Lemon completely lit us up for the Jags after Garrard lit us up.

For all the complaining about Campbell, at least Campbell led the team to a score against the Jets before his night was over. At least he was leading the team to a score against Carolina before Betts fumbled. JC has been bad the last two games (Jets game was not as bad as people are saying). The defense on the other hand has been horrid.

[Nomad]

Having just watched JZ's PC, when asked why #12 wasn't on the field he said something along the lines of:

He went full go during pre game, went to see the trainer before the game started, they saw swelling, and ruled him out.

He then proceeded to say:

I don't see how he could conceivably help this football team anytime soon, so we have to discuss a plan for him.

Now as a Kelly supporter since he was drafted, I'm really concerned with these comments; it seems in this situation that the wrap about him coming out of college was correct, and if he indeed can't play at all this season, it was a very significant mishap by our scouting personnel, and by VC.

All I can say is hearing this, particularly the last piece, is extremely disappointing. I thought MK could be a huge help to this team in the red zone.

Man, our FO is BRILLIANT. Who could have figured a guy who had knee surgery in HIGH SCHOOL might be a risk. Sure glad we passed on a DE for him, and then traded another 2nd away for an old DE since we didn't have one cause we drafted Kelly.

This FO NEVER learns. You don't spend high picks on injury and character risks. And you don't trade high picks for players past their prime just about to retire.

That aside, preseason the past, hope we kill the Giants.

[Nomad]

we are back where we started, with Moss and Randle El. all this talk about how great Thrash is in practice, but where is he come game time? Kelly is hurt, and Thomas is a non-factor so far. McMullen might have to make it, with Kelly on the PUP list.

But Mix is tall.

[redwolf1218]

But Mix is tall.

tall is good.

[esmith1790]

Then he must have looked like how I feel. I am going to try to avoid exaggeration with this comment. I don't spend all week obsessing about the Skins, but the times I do think about them this week (which is always often) I will not be sitting comfortably. We have a lot of problems. Everyone is talking about Campbell, rightfully so. But, has anyone actually watched our defense the last three games. Our defense makes JC's performances look like a HOF. Jets receivers were open all day and if not for drop passes, Jets would have put up a few scores. Carolina run up and down the field all day, so much so, that they had 2 100 yard rushers. Ms. Cleo Lemon completely lit us up for the Jags after Garrard lit us up.

For all the complaining about Campbell, at least Campbell led the team to a score against the Jets before his night was over. At least he was leading the team to a score against Carolina before Betts fumbled. JC has been bad the last two games (Jets game was not as bad as people are saying). The defense on the other hand has been horrid.

The horrid defense is gona make it even harder on JC. It might have to be a shoot-out.

[Redblood]

But Mix is tall.

But he hasn't caught much more than a cold in PS. McMullen seems steady.

[shally]

But he hasn't caught much more than a cold in PS. McMullen seems steady.

i think it ends up with Kelly on IR and mcmullen as #5.. that helps mason make the team as well

[skinsfan36]

thomas will contribute this year he will make some plays probably not for a few weeks though

[colkurtz]

McMullen came on strong in the end. Kelly has done nothing but get himself on IR.

Davis will make the biggest contribution this season.

[shoogknight]

Terry Glenn is still out there. He has to be better on half a knee than mcmullen

I could like Moss, Glenn, ARE

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Ive had a feeling for quite some time that Kelly would end up on IR or PUP. I think we were going to take 6 receivers anyway. At this point, i expect Kelly to go on the PUP list and McMullen and Mix to both make the roster. Whichever of them has contributed the least to this team will be cut when Kelly recovers.

[Redskin4Life]

Here's my thoughts after reading the first post:

1) Kelly goes to the PUP List (out til Week 6)
2) Mix/Mann and McMullen make the team as a result (McMullen as the "6th WR" and Mix/Mann as Kelly's roster spot placeholder/special team contributer
3) Week 6-10, we make a decision on whether to move Kelly to IR and go with the guys we got or to move Kelly to the active roster and get rid of Mann/Mix

[firehawk157]

Any word on what the deal is with Kelly? Was it just inflammation (in that case, if it was a season game, give him some cortisone and tell him to get his butt back out there) or was it something more serious?

[Redskin4Life]

Any word on what the deal is with Kelly? Was it just inflammation (in that case, if it was a season game, give him some cortisone and tell him to get his butt back out there) or was it something more serious?
I was thinking that it was just a case of "seeing him during pre-game drills and shutting him down". But after reading the comments from Zorn, I think it might be something a little more severe (still not good after the surgery). Either way, IMO, we're going to see him this season just not early on.

[coffdogg]

He's not going to help us any time soon. He had a chance to get his feet wet in the preseason, and got injured. Zorn's not going to experiment with him on the field during regular season games. I don't really see Devin Thomas contributing much this year either.
So far Devin Thomas is doo-doo

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Here's my thoughts after reading the first post:

1) Kelly goes to the PUP List (out til Week 6)
2) Mix/Mann and McMullen make the team as a result (McMullen as the "6th WR" and Mix/Mann as Kelly's roster spot placeholder/special team contributer
3) Week 6-10, we make a decision on whether to move Kelly to IR and go with the guys we got or to move Kelly to the active roster and get rid of Mann/Mix
I agree with all of this. I think six weeks should be enough to let him properly rest and heal and by the sixth week, we should know whether he'll be ready to go or not, without having him be a completely wasted pick after year one.

[openallnight]

i would not put him on IR. i would think either PUP list for 8 games if he can play later, or else they blew it on that pick and he gets cut.

If you're on the pup list can you still practice with the team?

[redwolf1218]

If you're on the pup list can you still practice with the team?

The rules for the PUP list are as follows:

During the first six weeks of the regular season, players on Reserve/PUP are allowed to attend meetings and continue rehabilitation at the club facility, but are not eligible to practice with the club.

After the sixth week, the club has a three-week window (Weeks 7-9) to allow a player on Reserve/PUP to begin practicing with the club. Once the player begins practice, he can practice for three weeks before the club must make a decision as to his roster status.

At any point following the sixth week of the regular season through the expiration of the player's three week practice window, the club can add the player to the 53-man roster or place the player on Reserve-Injured. Additionally, at the expiration of the practice window, the club can allow the player to remain on Reserve/PUP for the remainder of the season.

[lorimike]

Having just watched JZ's PC, when asked why #12 wasn't on the field he said something along the lines of:

He went full go during pre game, went to see the trainer before the game started, they saw swelling, and ruled him out.

He then proceeded to say:

I don't see how he could conceivably help this football team anytime soon, so we have to discuss a plan for him.

Now as a Kelly supporter since he was drafted, I'm really concerned with these comments; it seems in this situation that the wrap about him coming out of college was correct, and if he indeed can't play at all this season, it was a very significant mishap by our scouting personnel, and by VC.<<<

McMullen and Mann don't have knee problems. There is no sense in wasting a roster spot on a guy who can't get on the field. He's gotta go to the IR and hopefully he can be right by next year.

All I can say is hearing this, particularly the last piece, is extremely disappointing. I thought MK could be a huge help to this team in the red zone.
<<<< He very well might some day but he looks like a guy who needs year off

[Lacquer Head]

Well...

Both rookies are awesome for my Madden team! Nickel/dime backs simply can't cover these guys.

[shally]

<<<< He very well might some day but he looks like a guy who needs year off

whether or not he needs it, i bet he ends up getting it... maybe the start him on PUP, but i think he ends up on IR

[skinsfan36]

i like that we drafted kelly for potential but im not liking his start to his year(ugh we could of have terrell thomas )

[jaylen]

damn seems like other teams had legit cause for concern with kelly we gambled and are getting burned bigtime.

Thomas is raw as hell and tenative.

[shally]

i like that we drafted kelly for potential but im not liking his start to his year(ugh we could of have terrell thomas )

i think thomas will be a good one in time.. we could have had sweed.. that is the more direct comparison, i think..

[shally]

damn seems like other teams had legit cause for concern with kelly we gambled and are getting burned bigtime.

Thomas is raw as hell and tenative.

everybody knew that about thomas.. he had one great season.. it was expected he would take time to develop

[redwolf1218]

whether or not he needs it, i bet he ends up getting it... maybe the start him on PUP, but i think he ends up on IR

i've heard a lot of people mention IR for Kelly, but what is the advantage of IR over PUP? does either one free up a roster spot? PUP gives the guy 6 weeks off, then 3 weeks of practice to re-evaluate him. that seems like the best option for an injury that is not necessarily season-ending, like Kelly's swollen knee.

[shally]

<<<< He very well might some day but he looks like a guy who needs year off

might be very similar to robert meachem of the saints.. he endured an IR year last year after knee surgery and is finally coming on this preseason

[Hr fan]

The rules for the PUP list are as follows:

During the first six weeks of the regular season, players on Reserve/PUP are allowed to attend meetings and continue rehabilitation at the club facility, but are not eligible to practice with the club.

After the sixth week, the club has a three-week window (Weeks 7-9) to allow a player on Reserve/PUP to begin practicing with the club. Once the player begins practice, he can practice for three weeks before the club must make a decision as to his roster status.

At any point following the sixth week of the regular season through the expiration of the player's three week practice window, the club can add the player to the 53-man roster or place the player on Reserve-Injured. Additionally, at the expiration of the practice window, the club can allow the player to remain on Reserve/PUP for the remainder of the season.

Thanks.