Thrash, Kelly suffer ankle sprains

[inevitable]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2008/Sep/15/thrash-kelly-have-sprained-ankles/

Seems Thrash's is worse, however it seems Kelly is too brittle to last very long in the NFL. I've always been a big supporter of Kelly, but it just doesn't seem like he's going to be able to get on the field and contribute if he keeps getting dinged up.

[JsMaViSd]

sigh, this kid is too injury proned

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Kelly was limping after his first catch.

[inevitable]

Yeah he got popped pretty good on that catch of his; it was a good catch but if he can't take that kind of hit consistently, he's not going to be able to function in the capacity that this offense needs him.

[shally]

i thought as much.. on the other hand, he really got hit hard. nobody says that thrash is brittle, so maybe we should be a little more reserved about kelly..

[Patrick]

Kelly is going to have to toughen up some OR he won't be long in the NFL.

[jaylen]

he was out there after the injury, I don't think its that serious. I think he will be alright considering thats his 1st contact.

[LATrueRedskin]

Good lord, one play and he's injured again. Hopefully it's not serious, and hopefully it's just a coincidence and he's not made of glass.

[akhhorus]

Since Zorn/Blache are benching Horton for Doughty, I think we can add their brains to the injury list.

[shally]

Since Zorn/Blache are benching Horton for Doughty, I think we can add their brains to the injury list.

lol....now now... they are just providing cover.. we will see more an dmore of horton and less of doughty as the season progresses

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I have high hopes that Kelly becomes our Plax. He better be available on Sunday.

[NamVet4]

Nov. 11, 2007 - 7:55 p.m.
Thrash suffered the dreaded high-ankle sprain Sunday against the Eagles, which could keep him out for an extended period. This also is a blow to the Redskins special teams.
Histroy repeats itself at a critical time.... :(

[shally]

I have high hopes that Kelly becomes our Plax. He better be available on Sunday.


that is exactly my thoughts.. plax had bad ankles all last year and still killed a bunch of teams

[lorimike]

Kelly is going to have to toughen up some OR he won't be long in the NFL.<<

He looked good on the one play he made. If it's any consolation, Chad " Ocho Cinco" Johnson followed up is 1 catch performance in game one with a 4 catch 37 yard performance yesterday

[jaylen]

tall order for kelly to become Plex but I can dream.

I really hope they coach up the youngsters this week, and get them on the field. Our offense can become dare I say explosive with added options.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I am somewhat concerned as to why didnt see more of Kelly and Davis on the field in the red zone. That is where those guys can really help us and it seemed a no-brainer to me to put them in on those plays.given the competition they were playing against, i think Kelly or Davis would have won a jump ball in the corner of the endzone with ease.

[bergiemoore]

I am somewhat concerned as to why didnt see more of Kelly and Davis on the field in the red zone. That is where those guys can really help us and it seemed a no-brainer to me to put them in on those plays.given the competition they were playing against, i think Kelly or Davis would have won a jump ball in the corner of the endzone with ease.

Davis did show up inside the redzone, and Kelly is still limited by his knowledge of the playbook. I would give Kelly a couple of weeks before I expect him to become an integral part of the offense, much less the redzone offense.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Davis did show up inside the redzone, and Kelly is still limited by his knowledge of the playbook. I would give Kelly a couple of weeks before I expect him to become an integral part of the offense, much less the redzone offense.

I only saw Davis in the redzone offense once. I didnt see Thomas or Kelly in there at all.

[JsMaViSd]

I only saw Davis in the redzone offense once. I didnt see Thomas or Kelly in there at all.

Thomas and Kelly both were in there in red zone that i saw one time, but when they lined up, we had to call a Timeout

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Thomas and Kelly both were in there in red zone that i saw one time, but when they lined up, we had to call a Timeout

yeah i remember that. I was really really excited before the timeout.

[bergiemoore]

I only saw Davis in the redzone offense once. I didnt see Thomas or Kelly in there at all.

Then I guess I just don't understand what you expect. The fact that Kelly made the field at all is terrific for a #5 receiver. I can't remember the last time I saw the #5 receiver for the Skins make a reception during a game where at least 3 other receivers hadn't already gone down to injury.

[saratogan]

After hearing Zorn talk about Thomas getting open deep a few times, and seeing JC connect with Moss - maybe the game plans will open up a little more. Possible we will see a bomb to Thomas? Hopefully, Kelly is not hurt ( I did not hear anything on the comcast sport news program - though I missed some of it) and we will see him contribute even more.

Zorn indicated in one part of one interview that of the three, he still felt Davis was furthest along of the three. But I felt Davis has not played much of a role in passing game, as I had hoped. But then, the passing game is still very much a work in progress.

[skinsfan36]

kelly will be good to go it seems thrash probably not that means more of the rooks,fine with me :)

[shally]

kelly will be good to go it seems thrash probably not that means more of the rooks,fine with me :)

thrash was the obvious choice to spell ARE at punt returner.. not now

i hope we get to see more of kelly, but if he cant practice we wont this week

[CarMike]

There's playing injured and there's playing hurt. Kelly, time sack up play. That's what you're getting paid for.

[JsMaViSd]

There's playing injured and there's playing hurt. Kelly, time sack up play. That's what you're getting paid for.

i dont Kelly is the one thats gonna hold him out of the game.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

There's playing injured and there's playing hurt. Kelly, time sack up play. That's what you're getting paid for.

I agree. Lots of players play every week with ailments much worse than what he has.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

i dont Kelly is the one thats gonna hold him out of the game.

I assume you mean Zorn keeping him out. Which is true, but it is also on the player to make sure the coach doesn't hold you out. Look at Cooley missing one practice since he's been here. That doesn't happen by accident. It happens because he makes it clear that even when he has something wrong its not going to stop him.

[shally]

I assume you mean Zorn keeping him out. Which is true, but it is also on the player to make sure the coach doesn't hold you out. Look at Cooley missing one practice since he's been here. That doesn't happen by accident. It happens because he makes it clear that even when he has something wrong its not going to stop him.

you cant make the club in the tub....

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Then I guess I just don't understand what you expect. The fact that Kelly made the field at all is terrific for a #5 receiver. I can't remember the last time I saw the #5 receiver for the Skins make a reception during a game where at least 3 other receivers hadn't already gone down to injury.

I expect we would sit the smurfs and put our 6'2+ guys on the field in the redzone. Just seems logical to me to have atleast a couple of them out there.

[bergiemoore]

I expect we would sit the smurfs and put our 6'2+ guys on the field in the redzone. Just seems logical to me to have atleast a couple of them out there.

Do you know what personnel was in the packages called inside the redzone in that game? I don't have a DVR and didn't pay too much attention to it during the game, but it would be interesting to see a break-down of the personnel groupings and the play-calling inside the 20. It's kind of hard to argue this without having the correct information and I don't want to get into a "No he didn't/Yes he did!" kind of conversation.

[skin4ever]

I expect we would sit the smurfs and put our 6'2+ guys on the field in the redzone. Just seems logical to me to have atleast a couple of them out there.

we may be just holding onto those plays for the right time. Its week 2, i think we will see them in there more as the season progresses and we need to keep teams guessing as to what a player can do and cant do.

[fent]

Do you know what personnel was in the packages called inside the redzone in that game? I don't have a DVR and didn't pay too much attention to it during the game, but it would be interesting to see a break-down of the personnel groupings and the play-calling inside the 20. It's kind of hard to argue this without having the correct information and I don't want to get into a "No he didn't/Yes he did!" kind of conversation.

i don't recall seeing those guys in on red zone packages at all during the game.

[BurgundyNGold]

Honestly, neither is a big loss.

At this point, Thrash is done. He's just USC-blocking Devin Thomas from getting on the field more. As for Kelly, who knows about him. He has injury concerns coming out of college. Plus, he's missed so much time, he might not contribute much this season anyway as he catches up.

[JsMaViSd]

i don't recall seeing those guys in on red zone packages at all during the game.

we were set at 4 wide when we called a timeout

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Honestly, neither is a big loss.

At this point, Thrash is done. He's just USC-blocking Devin Thomas from getting on the field more. As for Kelly, who knows about him. He has injury concerns coming out of college. Plus, he's missed so much time, he might not contribute much this season anyway as he catches up.

You are right about what our expectations should be for Kelly. I don't agree that Thrash is done. He would have a had a big catch against the Giants if Campbell had thrown the ball over the correct shoulder. He's also very valuable on special teams. Clinton Portis also described him as on of the teams real leaders than everyone listens to. Thrash is still very valuable to this team.

In addition, both are big losses now in the sense that we need bodies on the field. 3WRs isnt going to cut it and elevating some scrub from the practice squad and putting him out there in a 4WRset isnt going to scare anyone.

[swheeler]

It seems like Kelly should know the playbook better than anyone. He's ha d a whole lot of time with nothing to do but study...

[BurgundyNGold]

You are right about what our expectations should be for Kelly. I don't agree that Thrash is done. He would have a had a big catch against the Giants if Campbell had thrown the ball over the correct shoulder. He's also very valuable on special teams. Clinton Portis also described him as on of the teams real leaders than everyone listens to. Thrash is still very valuable to this team.
Thrash has no separation anymore. In fact, he has less than no separation. He is actually a gravity well for separation that sucks separation from the defender and draws them together into a single point of extremely slow moving matter.

He is also decreasingly valuable on teams. Does he even have a tackle this season on teams? Now, Rock Cartwright is a different matter...

In addition, both are big losses now in the sense that we need bodies on the field. 3WRs isnt going to cut it and elevating some scrub from the practice squad and putting him out there in a 4WRset isnt going to scare anyone.
Neither is walking out onto the field and tapping down a scarecrow in the slot. Don't get me wrong, I like Thrash personally but he doesn't give us much more than that these days.

[skinsfan36]

so any word on if kelly will play this week

[inevitable]

Apparently Kelly feels as if he'll be good to go:

Rookie wide receiver Malcolm Kelly, who sprained his right ankle in the victory over the Saints, plans to sit out practice today.

"I'm not going to go today, but I'll be back out there tomorrow," Kelly said. "I'll be ready" for this week's game against the Arizona Cardinals. Kelly is confident he will be able to contribute this week. "No doubt," he said. "It won't be a big deal."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/cooley_apologizes_to_bemused_t.html#more

Down at the bottom.

I'm glad to hear that he wants to go.

[JsMaViSd]

i still think its up to Zorn. But with Thrash not going to be able to play, hes gonna have to activate Thomas and Kelly.

YAY! meaning we will see a lot more of the rookies this week :sun:

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Kelly probably should've been put on IR for this whole season, and we could've kept Marcus Mason, at least he would be able to play...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Do you know what personnel was in the packages called inside the redzone in that game? I don't have a DVR and didn't pay too much attention to it during the game, but it would be interesting to see a break-down of the personnel groupings and the play-calling inside the 20. It's kind of hard to argue this without having the correct information and I don't want to get into a "No he didn't/Yes he did!" kind of conversation.

All i can say is this was something I was paying very close attention to - its pretty easy to spot jerseys 11 and 12 when youre sitting 5 feet away from a 46" LCD screen and I only saw them on the field in the redzone once... on the play that was never run because we called a time out.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Kelly probably should've been put on IR for this whole season, and we could've kept Marcus Mason, at least he would be able to play...

Considering how little Betts is playing (compared to Portis) and the complete absence of Rock on offense, i think its safe to say that Mason wouldnt have been able to play at all. We would never activate 4 RBs on gameday.

Besides that, we would have been left with only 4WRs on the active roster. if we had IRed Kelly, we would have kept McMullen.

[shally]

All i can say is this was something I was paying very close attention to - its pretty easy to spot jerseys 11 and 12 when youre sitting 5 feet away from a 46" LCD screen and I only saw them on the field in the redzone once... on the play that was never run because we called a time out.

correct.. which brings up the point if they are still not fully on board mentally with all the packages and formations ??

if they are not, it explains why zorn is hesitant to put them out there in redzone situations-- we have difficulty enough scoring td's without adding yardage due to someone being in the wrong place and drawing a formation penalty..

[shally]

Considering how little Betts is playing (compared to Portis) and the complete absence of Rock on offense, i think its safe to say that Mason wouldnt have been able to play at all. We would never activate 4 RBs on gameday.

Besides that, we would have been left with only 4WRs on the active roster. if we had IRed Kelly, we would have kept McMullen.

i agree... mason being on the active game roster would have only been
something for later in the season or in case of injury