Do we sit Jason Taylor? UPDATED: Taylor Out Vs. Dallas With Calf Injury (See post#35)

[Redskinfan28]

I know he had some tips, but he was never really close to getting pressure and is clearly thinking about the knee. He lacks explosion and it has to because of the knee.

I am not a doctor, but maybe give him a few weeks off would get him back to 100%. It would be nice to see him flying off the edge.

[smoak]

he should have been made a role player IMO

[lorimike]

I know he had some tips, but he was never really close to getting pressure and is clearly thinking about the knee. He lacks explosion and it has to because of the knee.

I am not a doctor, but maybe give him a few weeks off would get him back to 100%. It would be nice to see him flying off the edge.<<<

No, he was playing against Levi Brown who is fast becoming one of the better right tackles in the league

[Ibleedburgundy]

He's not overpowering anyone at this point but he does have a way of disrupting plays. A little more of a rotation at DE wouldn't hurt IMO.

[akhhorus]

Is this serious? Carter and the blitzers have the freedom they do because of Taylor-who's still very disruptive. Teams are deciding just to block him at all costs.

[smoak]

He's not overpowering anyone at this point but he does have a way of disrupting plays. A little more of a rotation at DE wouldn't hurt IMO.

Exactly... I don't know the %, but keep him fresh with a rotation.

[shane88]

Is this serious? Carter and the blitzers have the freedom they do because of Taylor-who's still very disruptive. Teams are deciding just to block him at all costs.

I second this wholeheartedly!!!

[PyroGenic]

I know he had some tips, but he was never really close to getting pressure and is clearly thinking about the knee. He lacks explosion and it has to because of the knee.

I am not a doctor, but maybe give him a few weeks off would get him back to 100%. It would be nice to see him flying off the edge.

No way. He's still our best dlineman. We're going to need him.

[inevitable]

Is this serious? Carter and the blitzers have the freedom they do because of Taylor-who's still very disruptive. Teams are deciding just to block him at all costs.

Agreed 100% :clap:

[InsomniaKiller]

Seems like the dude tips a couple passes a week.


So.

Let's not bench him. :)

[Skinreds]

If we bench him, who do we bring in? A rotation would be better but i feel that we have more pressure on QB's this season than we did last season.

Specifically because offenses pay more attention to him our "no name" guys are able to run more freely. Even in those critical situations you never know when this guy will come through for us on a 3rd down and sometimes in a meaningful game all you need is that sack on 3rd to stop a drive and he still gives us the potential of doing that

[skinsfan36]

umm have you not been watching these games he disruptive as crap and not even 100% ok lets sit moss two since he has like 240 yds the past two weeks because he didnt catch that one 3rd down pass lmao

[skinsfan36]

wait until you see him sack romo twice :)

[greatest2]

Is this serious? Carter and the blitzers have the freedom they do because of Taylor-who's still very disruptive. Teams are deciding just to block him at all costs.

what he said. i was at the game, and from what i saw he didn't get much pressure, but he had many tips and close on a few others. Not to mention he senses the screen cause he has been around the game so long.

It doesn't hurt you got the Young Levi brown who did a hell of a job run blocking and pass blocking tonight, and they shaded there RG towards taylor (allowing Griff to go 1-1 alot. he won a couple of those match ups but not as many as he used to. kinda one of the low lights in my opinion)


when they stood taylor up that one time. It was the play they blitz, and smoot got called for Rough the Passer. They stood taylor up and moved him to the the middle, and he absolutely layed into the LG. Almost knocked him on his ass, and moved the guard 3 yards in the backfield. warner couldn't step up. it was pretty and violent


in short, no way!

[Bluuz]

Bad thread. Go ask Kurt Warner whether Taylor should be benched. Taylor had those long arms up in the air all day and deflected at least one pass. He was also in on a number of tackles.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I'm picturing Rick Moranis in a large Vader helmet when I read this suggestion ;)

[JasonCampbell]

I'm picturing Rick Moranis in a large Vader helmet when I read this suggestion ;)

My reaction:

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/pat94_2008/ItalianSpiderMan1.gif

[smoak]

wait until you see him sack romo twice :)

if only the world was built on internet promises....

[HAWGZHEAD]

My reaction:
LOL, that'll work too.

[smoak]

My reaction:

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/pat94_2008/ItalianSpiderMan1.gif

LMAO!! Post of the day!!

[saviour]

Absolutely not!!! As AKH stated, its quite obvious that teams are double teaming him on every down. The mere fact that Taylor is on the field free's up the rest of the line.

Carter should be doing more with the single coverage he is getting nowadays IMO.

[BurgundyNGold]

I know he had some tips, but he was never really close to getting pressure and is clearly thinking about the knee. He lacks explosion and it has to because of the knee.

I am not a doctor, but maybe give him a few weeks off would get him back to 100%. It would be nice to see him flying off the edge.
He clearly had enough explosion to jump offsides. I say we continue to start him, rotating him out for Chris Wilson every now and again to give him a breather.

[smoak]

He clearly had enough explosion to jump offsides. I say we continue to start him, rotating him out for Chris Wilson every now and again to give him a breather.

Absolutely agree 1000%

[skins74]

He clearly had enough explosion to jump offsides. I say we continue to start him, rotating him out for Chris Wilson every now and again to give him a breather.

I agree. But I do wish we were getting a couple more sacks a game but I'm putting that on the entire line not Jason Taylor.

[JsMaViSd]

I agree. But I do wish we were getting a couple more sacks a game but I'm putting that on the entire line not Jason Taylor.

well i think on defense vs Arizona, we rushed the front 4 every play and didnt really blitz a whole lot. with a few exceptions of when Rocky got sent in there.

we played conservative, but Warner is also known for his quick release.

next week vs Dallas, were gonna have to blitz, because there O-line is stacked with weight and Romo will have all the time in the world

[OCSKINSFAN]

JT is our best D lineman so he needs to be out there. That said he has been a disappointment so far (unless it can be maintained that the injury as detracted from his performance). Does anyone still believe he will get 12 - 16 sacks this year? Has the rest of the line increased their sacks? Where is Carter with all the attention on JT? Where is the push in the middle of the line? Warner had way too much time to throw in the game (I believe on the other hand, with just a few exceptions, that our DB coverage was excellent). The DL run defense was also not good.

[Redskinmayhem]

Is this serious? Carter and the blitzers have the freedom they do because of Taylor-who's still very disruptive. Teams are deciding just to block him at all costs.

agreed. If you watched the plays that we created pressure, most of them came when JT was either doubled teamed or blocked & chipped.

[Moe]

There's a helluva lot more to playing DE than just sacks. Taylor has proven that he's a problem and is disruptive even when not getting to the QB and to remove that would hurt the D.

Against a line like Dallas, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of Evans to support the run, but not for more than a down at a time. Dallas is clearly a right running team and Taylor might need a spell there at times but he does things that the others simply cannot.

[JsMaViSd]

There's a helluva lot more to playing DE than just sacks. Taylor has proven that he's a problem and is disruptive even when not getting to the QB and to remove that would hurt the D.

Against a line like Dallas, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of Evans to support the run, but not for more than a down at a time. Dallas is clearly a right running team and Taylor might need a spell there at times but he does things that the others simply cannot.

me 2, Evans is really good at batting balls as well.

[hail2skins]

I honestly don't know what some folks are looking at when they bring up questions like this. I really don't.

To answer your question, NO, he should not sit a couple of games.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Per the 12:30 press conference, Jason Taylor injured his leg yesterday and had surgery early this morning. He will be out vs. the Cowboys and possibly longer. There is no ETA for his return.

[remaxjon]

Per the 12:30 press conference, Jason Taylor injured his leg yesterday and had surgery early this morning. He will be out vs. the Cowboys and possibly longer. There is no ETA for his return.

not good but I guess this makes this post a moot point

[bergiemoore]

I honestly don't know what some folks are looking at when they bring up questions like this. I really don't.

To answer your question, NO, he should not sit a couple of games.

Agreed. The man had 3 batted balls and drew a double-team or a chip from the TE on just about every down. The fact that the Skins have 2 sacks after 3 games from interior linemen speaks well for Taylor's affect on opposing defenses. There were only 4 sacks from the DTs all year in 2007. Defensive coordinators are having to account for him on every play, which has opened up opportunities for other players along the line. His sack against the Saints came when they doubled Montgomery instead of him, FWIW.

[bergiemoore]

Per the 12:30 press conference, Jason Taylor injured his leg yesterday and had surgery early this morning. He will be out vs. the Cowboys and possibly longer. There is no ETA for his return.

That sucks

[remaxjon]

That sucks

here is link

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/taylor_will_miss_dallas_game.html

[BigHairedAristocrat]

here is link

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/taylor_will_miss_dallas_game.html

Thanks, link wasnt up yet during the press conference.

I am disheartened by this, but we did beat dallas last year without Taylor - we can beat them this year too.

[Moe]

This stings but there are options in Evans/Wilson and James so it's not as dire as it could be.

The bottom note in that link was more troubling in that Heyer might not be able to play.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Crap that definitely hurts! I was looking forward to having him use his quickness against Romo and his mobility. Now its time for Wilson and James to step it up on passing downs and Evans to hold it down against the run.

[Redskinfan28]

Wow - I guess he lacked explosion because he really was hurt. Shocking.

I'm not sure why everyone here got so offended when I brought up the topic - Taylor is playing like shell of his former self. He is on pace for a 38 tackle - 5 sack season - how can anyone legitimately say that is a good season for him. My point was why not rest him and get him healthy?

Perhaps its because we have not had any good defensive lineman here in decades that we fans cannot recognize when a great one is not playing up to par because of injury. He may be playing good for our standards but he is not playing up to his standards. Him sitting a few weeks is a good thing in the long run.

[Cutter]

He'd be a stud if we had a better DT.

You guys want Wilson or Evans to start against Dallas? I'd say Evans. He's been playing solid this year. He's probably better against the run than Taylor and judging from last night we're going to need it.

[Cutter]

P.S. they drained his calf after he was kicked. The latest has nothing to do with his knee.

[VegasSkinsFan]

He'd be a stud if we had a better DT.

You guys want Wilson or Evans to start against Dallas? I'd say Evans. He's been playing solid this year. He's probably better against the run than Taylor and judging from last night we're going to need it.

I will attempt the silver lining. Even though the JT injury is not good news, i dont think it is devastating for the next game. Starting evans might help to control barber ( i would also be starting monty ). Then on passing downs pressure bozo with golsten inside and use james/wilson/jackson if activated from the outside. I would also get horton/moore out there instead of reed and bench mw and rotate blades/fincher. I would think this would give us more speed out there on D. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

[hail2skins]

Wow - I guess he lacked explosion because he really was hurt. Shocking.

I'm not sure why everyone here got so offended when I brought up the topic - Taylor is playing like shell of his former self. He is on pace for a 38 tackle - 5 sack season - how can anyone legitimately say that is a good season for him. My point was why not rest him and get him healthy?

Perhaps its because we have not had any good defensive lineman here in decades that we fans cannot recognize when a great one is not playing up to par because of injury. He may be playing good for our standards but he is not playing up to his standards. Him sitting a few weeks is a good thing in the long run.Nobody got offended and this surgery has nothing to do with his knee which is what you were questioning. He has still been productive in the games he's played in. Because he isn't getting sacks is what caused you to create this thread in the first place.

[Redskinmayhem]

not good but I guess this makes this post a moot point

ah crap. this sucks....well I guess he'll get his rest now.

[greatest2]

there goes any chance of getting pressure with just the front 4.

[guess88]

On the bright side... (glass half full thinking)... maybe Chris Wilson will get more playing time and prove to be a playmaker.

[Redskinfan28]

Nobody got offended and this surgery has nothing to do with his knee which is what you were questioning. He has still been productive in the games he's played in. Because he isn't getting sacks is what caused you to create this thread in the first place.

His knee was limiting his production and explosion - that is why I suggested sitting him down. Why have him at 60% all year when we could sit him for 2 games and have him a 90% for the rest of the year?

Anyway, this injury will likely accomplish getting him some rest and I would bet he will come back a better player.

[JasonCampbell]

Merrill Hoge said he had the same injury in college (although didn't need surgery) and said he could see this lasting more than one week.

To be honest, I'm not upset if he misses this game (which is probably the game we are most likely to lose on our schedule) since maybe he can get his knee 100%, but if this is a lingering injury or he missed the Philly game too, that would be disappointing.

You gotta give JT one thing, he is a tough dude to play through that injury.

[colkurtz]

Every team has been double-teaming him and built their play-calling around him. He's been making the whole defense look better if not getting a lot of individual numbers. He's been playing hurt and the team is going to miss him this Sunday.

[shane88]

His knee was limiting his production and explosion - that is why I suggested sitting him down. Why have him at 60% all year when we could sit him for 2 games and have him a 90% for the rest of the year?

Anyway, this injury will likely accomplish getting him some rest and I would bet he will come back a better player.

What, exactly, are you basing this notion on??? Sacks, tackles...??? I don't know what you're watching, but, I'm seeing a guy double-teamed and/or chipped on most every play, allowing the rest of the d-line to go one-on-one. And he still creates pressure and tips balls when he's unable to get to the QB. I call that production.How many sacks/tackles do you feel warrants him being on the field after just THREE games.

With that kind of logic, why don't we sit Carter as well???

[shally]

On the bright side... (glass half full thinking)... maybe Chris Wilson will get more playing time and prove to be a playmaker.

wishful thinking.. james will get more time as well. maybe we see what his long term potential is as a starter ??

[shally]

What, exactly, are you basing this notion on??? Sacks, tackles...??? I don't know what you're watching, but, I'm seeing a guy double-teamed and/or chipped on most every play, allowing the rest of the d-line to go one-on-one. And he still creates pressure and tips balls when he's unable to get to the QB. I call that production.How many sacks/tackles do you feel warrants him being on the field after just THREE games.

With that kind of logic, why don't we sit Carter as well???

i agree with you that taylor's impact goes way beyond his stats.. he is someone the offense needs to account for on every play

[guess88]

wishful thinking.. james will get more time as well. maybe we see what his long term potential is as a starter ??

i'm sure we'll see both cases of Wilson and James. Time for them to grow up and seize the opportunity, because we're going to need pressure from the front 4 this week.

[shally]

i'm sure we'll see both cases of Wilson and James. Time for them to grow up and seize the opportunity, because we're going to need pressure from the front 4 this week.

no kidding.. looks like romo has another weapon in austin.. just what he needs on top of TO and witten

i had heard rumblings that austin was progressing from some of th ecowpuke boards, but he really seems to have perfected the michael irvin/ drew pearson push off. lots of speed and size.. a definite upgrade over crayton (who dropped another one against the packers)

[skinsfan36]

this means more of evans,wilson,james and maybe some rob jackson. i would like to see jackson for a play he was explosive in the preseason

[skinsfan36]

no kidding.. looks like romo has another weapon in austin.. just what he needs on top of TO and witten

i had heard rumblings that austin was progressing from some of th ecowpuke boards, but he really seems to have perfected the michael irvin/ drew pearson push off. lots of speed and size.. a definite upgrade over crayton (who dropped another one against the packers)

well tramane williams looked like ade jimoh yesterday though and harris was out there with a ruptured splein

[Oregonian]

Shally how long do you think Taylor will be out for?

Sounds like he had a compartment syndrome and got a fasciotomy. A wound like that might need a fair amount of time to heal.

[CamLwalk]

We can still win this game.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

We can still win this game.
We can. And we will. :dalassuk:

[Redskinfan28]

What, exactly, are you basing this notion on??? Sacks, tackles...??? I don't know what you're watching, but, I'm seeing a guy double-teamed and/or chipped on most every play, allowing the rest of the d-line to go one-on-one. And he still creates pressure and tips balls when he's unable to get to the QB. I call that production.How many sacks/tackles do you feel warrants him being on the field after just THREE games.

With that kind of logic, why don't we sit Carter as well???

Even if your comments about "double teams on almost every play" were accurate, which they are not, you must not have watched him last year in Miami when he got double teamed and his production was double than what it was this year. He hasn't been the same player, and its because he is injured- anyone who has followed his career can see that.

I'm not knocking the guy - he is playing injured and should be commended for that. All I am saying is if we rested him (which we will do now) I think he will come back a better player.

[Keino]

Even if your comments about "double teams on almost every play" were accurate, which they are not, you must not have watched him last year in Miami when he got double teamed and his production was double than what it was this year. He hasn't been the same player, and its because he is injured- anyone who has followed his career can see that.

I'm not knocking the guy - he is playing injured and should be commended for that. All I am saying is if we rested him (which we will do now) I think he will come back a better player.

Wait....you realize that he had 3 tipped balls this weekend by himself right? You saw him in Brees' face all day the previous Sunday right?

I think your comment only rings true for the first game against the Giants.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Even though I hate giving up a pick, i love having JT on the team. I cant wait for him to come back HEALTHY and raring to go. Hell, he might want the 2 weeks rest/recovery since he WILL be playing late Jan/early Feb. GO SKINS !!!!!!!!!!

[redwolf1218]

this rest will be great for his knee and he can come back strong.

[shally]

this rest will be great for his knee and he can come back strong.

that might be very true.. he was hounding warner a lot and with 1 or 2 weeks rest it might make a world of difference

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I wish Taylor got the chance to experience Skins-Boys on the field this week. Playing at Fed. Ex. and in the biggest rivalry in the NFL must be paradise for him as compared to playing in front of a half empty stadium even when the team is playing well.

[shally]

I wish Taylor got the chance to experience Skins-Boys on the field this week. Playing at Fed. Ex. and in the biggest rivalry in the NFL must be paradise for him as compared to playing in front of a half empty stadium even when the team is playing well.

just wait until we play dallas, philly or the giants at fedex.. that ought to get him juiced

[Moe]

Call me crazy, but for all his limitations, it seems to me that Daniels had some of his better games against Dallas in the last few years. He had that monster 4 sack performance two years ago and in two games last year he actually got another sack and was credited with defending two passes (guessing batted balls). He also held up well against the run and with Dallas favoring their right side, maybe getting Evans' beef in there might not be such a bad thing. Just a thought.

[The Skinsinator]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/red...ed_f.html#more

Man I hope he's ok and comes back soon. Terrible luck for him so far this season. Just get him healthy even if he can't play for a couple months.

[Hrabanmaur]

There is a vast difference between "next week" and "a couple of months." I'd like to get a more definitive answer from a medical expert.

[BurgundyNGold]

Call me crazy, but for all his limitations, it seems to me that Daniels had some of his better games against Dallas in the last few years. He had that monster 4 sack performance two years ago and in two games last year he actually got another sack and was credited with defending two passes (guessing batted balls). He also held up well against the run and with Dallas favoring their right side, maybe getting Evans' beef in there might not be such a bad thing. Just a thought.
While I think that Daniels is done (and has been for at least 2 years), Taylor only has 1.0 career sack vs. Dallass in 3 games.

[IHATEDALLAS'82'87'91]

Per Trey Wingo on ESPN, Taylor was told by doctors if he didn't have the surgery, Taylor's career could have been over if he got hit in the right place. Even worse, doctors told him he could have lost that foot on that leg if he didn't have the surgery when he did.

Wow, it must be really bad.

[Redskinfan28]

Andy Polin and those guys mentioned Taylor may be out a month or so. Don't know who they based their information off of - maybe Frank Hanrahan.

[skinfan43]

"I was a little scared about that and didn't quite understand why it had to be done so suddenly," Taylor said. "I kept telling the doctor, 'Let's wait until the sun comes up and let me talk to some people,' and they kept stressing how important it was to get it done right away."

At about 5 a.m., Taylor spoke to Dr. James Andrews, the Redskins team surgeon.

"He told me to get off the phone and let's do it, so it can be done right away," Taylor said.
"It's all a matter of how well the body responds to the surgery and the nerve issue and all that. Day to day for me," Taylor said. "In a perfect world I'd play Sunday, but it would be tough to get off crutches on Wednesday and tee it up. I want to play as soon as I can. I don't know. ... It could be a week or a couple months. You never know."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3607393

Scary stuff, glad he's ok... now I hope he heals like Thrash does:)

[Oregonian]

Per Trey Wingo on ESPN, Taylor was told by doctors if he didn't have the surgery, Taylor's career could have been over if he got hit in the right place. Even worse, doctors told him he could have lost that foot on that leg if he didn't have the surgery when he did.

Wow, it must be really bad.

He had what is called a compartment syndrome, where bleeding in an enclosed tissue space can cause extremely high pressure. If untreated, the pressures can destroy muscle and nerve tissue and lead to permanent disability.

The treatment is to decompress the tissue by cutting down into the compartment to relieve the pressure. Typically, the wounds are large and are left unclosed for a period of time. For this reason, I was thinking that recovery will go for longer than a week or two. It would depend mostly on the size nature of the incisions that were made.

[redskin_rich]

He had what is called a compartment syndrome, where bleeding in an enclosed tissue space can cause extremely high pressure. If untreated, the pressures can destroy muscle and nerve tissue and lead to permanent disability.

The treatment is to decompress the tissue by cutting down into the compartment to relieve the pressure. Typically, the wounds are large and are left unclosed for a period of time. For this reason, I was thinking that recovery will go for longer than a week or two. It would depend mostly on the size nature of the incisions that were made.
The possible silver lining would be that his knee sufficiently heals with this down time and Jason comes back at 100% for the second half of the season and even has fresher legs in the post season, if we make it.

Worst case scenario, is if an infection develops, such as MRSA and he never plays another down.

Just throwing that out there, to balance best case/worst case. I don't know the nature of the procedure he had done.

I would imagine that he could do cardio and some weight training immediately, so as to not lose his conditioning.

[skinsfan36]

this injury was serious as he could of died wow. he will probbaly be back for the browns game imo so guys have to step up.
erasmus-prove you can play and maybe be a future starter
rob-prve you belong on the roster and show the preseason fire
evans-stay steady
wilson-continue to get to the qb and get a sack like every time your in lately
monty-show you can anchor vsa the run or plan on seeing the low tender in the offseason
griff-stay healthy
alexander,golston-continue to progress and get better vs the run

[frenchskinsfan]

Here are some usefull informations about the compartment syndrom, its treatment and recovery...

http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/lowerleg/posterior_compartment/surgery.php

What happens afterwards?

Immediately afterwards a compressive dressing is applied. A drain is not usually needed.
The patient may need crutches for a few days.
Active (patient moves) and passive (patient is moved) mobility exercises should begin immediately.
Once the wound has healed, walking and cycling are encouraged.
After 2 weeks it may be possible to jog but no running for at least 6 weeks.
It may take 3 months before recovery is complete.

[smoak]

I wish Taylor got the chance to experience Skins-Boys on the field this week. Playing at Fed. Ex. and in the biggest rivalry in the NFL must be paradise for him as compared to playing in front of a half empty stadium even when the team is playing well.

General statement not in reference to Taylor:
I wish I felt like pro athletes cared (which is why I usually side with ownership in most matters and LOVE the players that I think really have a passion for what they do.

Specific to Taylor:
The rotation would not have prevented this freak injury, but this was my biggest fear when trading for Taylor and then even more so when he seemed to play the VAST majority of the snaps with a tweaked knee. I really hope we can get him back in the lineup quickly... I'm just a fan of that lineup being a rotation.

[SellerDoor45]

Jason Taylor wants to practice this week.

From Redskins' Insider:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/10/heyer_not_sure_if_he_can_play.html

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Jason Taylor wants to practice this week.

From Redskins' Insider:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/10/heyer_not_sure_if_he_can_play.html

I wish Taylor a speedy recovery, but I think this week may be pushing it. In the comments section from your post, it says Kelly is practicing in full pads today. That's great news. I still have hope for him for this year.

[guess88]

I wish Taylor a speedy recovery, but I think this week may be pushing it. In the comments section from your post, it says Kelly is practicing in full pads today. That's great news. I still have hope for him for this year.

Definitely pushing it. I'd rather him sit and heal 100%, so we can have him healthy when we'll really need him most, the 2nd half of the season. Our schedule's softer for a few games after Phili, but then we got Steelers on MNF. I'd much rather have JT healthy for THAT game, we'll definitely need him, considering how depleted their line has looked. We'll also need to watch out for James Harrison, because apparently playing on Mondays makes him a beast.

[shally]

Jason Taylor wants to practice this week.

From Redskins' Insider:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/10/heyer_not_sure_if_he_can_play.html


definitely pushing it.. then again, he did the same thing after the knee injury.. dude is a warrior

[BigHairedAristocrat]

definitely pushing it.. then again, he did the same thing after the knee injury.. dude is a warrior

If he plays, I don't think we should play him much. maybe just on 3rd downs and obvious passing situations. I dont want him to reaggrivate his injury the way heyer did.

[VegasSkinsFan]

If he plays, I don't think we should play him much. maybe just on 3rd downs and obvious passing situations. I dont want him to reaggrivate his injury the way heyer did.

Last thing we need is for him to reinjure himself. Does anyone thing that one reason teh cowboys didnt run so much was because evans plays the run a little better than taylor, or not? We definately need JT's pressure, but stopping the run is first and foremost. Either way, JT should be well rested for our push into the playoffs. GO SKINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Last thing we need is for him to reinjure himself. Does anyone thing that one reason teh cowboys didnt run so much was because evans plays the run a little better than taylor, or not? We definately need JT's pressure, but stopping the run is first and foremost. Either way, JT should be well rested for our push into the playoffs. GO SKINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do. The NFC East blogger, Matt Mosley (noted Cowboy lover) kept saying as much all week leading up to the game as well. He said the help Evans would provide in run support will offset the loss of Taylor on passing downs. He was right for the most part, except we usually got no pressure on Romo at all.

[VegasSkinsFan]

I do. The NFC East blogger, Matt Mosley (noted Cowboy lover) kept saying as much all week leading up to the game as well. He said the help Evans would provide in run support will offset the loss of Taylor on passing downs. He was right for the most part, except we usually got no pressure on Romo at all.

We are getting some pressure, just not sacks. With a little more though, our db's will look amazing because they are playing fairly well. Thats why next year I would like to see us draft a monster dt, i feel de will be ok with taylor and carter for another year. Biggest worry for me after that is lb, cb, and more youth for the oline.....but I do like the youth that are being developed. GO SKINS !!!!!

[shally]

I do. The NFC East blogger, Matt Mosley (noted Cowboy lover) kept saying as much all week leading up to the game as well. He said the help Evans would provide in run support will offset the loss of Taylor on passing downs. He was right for the most part, except we usually got no pressure on Romo at all.

we got some when rocky blitzed and got some up the middle because of the games that griff and golston played.. but we had little or no edge pressure

[Patrick]

definitely pushing it.. then again, he did the same thing after the knee injury.. dude is a warrior

Warrior no doubt but his excitement about getting back is probably being enhanced by the fact the team is winning. Something he’s hasn’t be use to for a while and he wants to be a major part of. Can’t blame him but he’s got to be smart too. On the flip side – I’d like to see Erasmuse James get some playing time

[shally]

Warrior no doubt but his excitement about getting back is probably being enhanced by the fact the team is winning. Something he’s hasn’t be use to for a while and he wants to be a major part of. Can’t blame him but he’s got to be smart too. On the flip side – I’d like to see Erasmuse James get some playing time

with james, i think the tip off was that they kept him inactive in favor of jackson.. that really tells me something.. i dont think that james is near all the way back.

on the other hand, it is sure nice to see jackson get some time on the field

[colkurtz]

I guess I'm getting confused by this Taylor injury now.

It was serious [more than reported] and unusual (?).

2 week or 2 month recovery?

Taylor is a warrior - which is why he played in so many games without a miss.
We need his rushing ability - BAD. Can anyone give me the scoop here?

[Redskin4Life]

I guess I'm getting confused by this Taylor injury now.

It was serious [more than reported] and unusual (?).

2 week or 2 month recovery?

Taylor is a warrior - which is why he played in so many games without a miss.
We need his rushing ability - BAD. Can anyone give me the scoop here?
Yea Shally, the resident Dr. Andrews for the HR, when do you think we can expect to see Taylor back based off what we know from the media and the fact that he's walking and what not?

Also, what do you think is going on with James? Possibly playing a significant amount soon? Or still a couple of weeks off from playing?

[cal_junior]

I guess I'm getting confused by this Taylor injury now.

It was serious [more than reported] and unusual (?).

2 week or 2 month recovery?

Taylor is a warrior - which is why he played in so many games without a miss.
We need his rushing ability - BAD. Can anyone give me the scoop here?

It doesn't happen very often so the reports are going to be mixed. I've been going by what Bubba said last week:

"We expect him to be fine," Tyer said of Taylor. "If not this week, hopefully next week or the next."

[Farmer Ted]

It doesn't happen very often so the reports are going to be mixed. I've been going by what Bubba said last week:

Oy, reading this has totally creeped me out. I basically had a similar injury from a mountain biking biff-job about 6 or 7 years ago (I didn't know there was a name for it). I crashed and had a huge bruise on the back of my right thigh. It went away after a couple weeks, but about a month later a ball of old blood pushed its way through my thigh muscle (hurt like a bugger when it happened), and my doctor had to cut it out. I'm glad I didn't croak. For what it's worth (probably very little), I was back on my bike maybe 10 days later, after I had my stitches out.

[bergiemoore]

Also, what do you think is going on with James? Possibly playing a significant amount soon? Or still a couple of weeks off from playing?

James has been inactive the last 2 games. This past week, Rob Jackson was activated over him. He played in the first couple of games, so I don't think it's an injury concern. Perhaps the Skins should have cut him and kept the 7th round pick?

[skinsfan36]

James has been inactive the last 2 games. This past week, Rob Jackson was activated over him. He played in the first couple of games, so I don't think it's an injury concern. Perhaps the Skins should have cut him and kept the 7th round pick?

jackson looked pretty good in the rotation

[skinsfan36]

James has been inactive the last 2 games. This past week, Rob Jackson was activated over him. He played in the first couple of games, so I don't think it's an injury concern. Perhaps the Skins should have cut him and kept the 7th round pick?

maybe we will see about that when he gets healthy

[shally]

Yea Shally, the resident Dr. Andrews for the HR, when do you think we can expect to see Taylor back based off what we know from the media and the fact that he's walking and what not?

Also, what do you think is going on with James? Possibly playing a significant amount soon? Or still a couple of weeks off from playing?

blushes..... my stars, thanks for the extreme compliment

to some extent, this is uncharted territory for the nfl since this is such a rare condition.. usually you see it in patients with major fractures, and not just a kick in the leg.. but it does happen.. once in a while you see it in people who do extreme events like marathons, etc..

once the pressure has been released and the blood is drained, all that remains is for the incisions to heal. depending upon how large they are, it can take a while for all the swelling to go down. but the presumption is that there was no muscle or nerve damage since the surgery was done in a timely fashion. so really, it is just like having a large long cut heal up.. the fact that Taylor can already jog is a very good sign..

what is the worst that can happen ? well, the bleeding could restart and the swelling could return.. or he could tear the membranes and tissues that hold the muscles and get some kind of muscular hernia.. that would reduce his effectiveness all year and possibly require some off season additional surgery..

more likely it could be an ongoing distraction for him.. players dont do well when they are thinking about a body part.. my guess is that if we were playing a team that "on paper" looks like a win, they might not even think about letting him play.. but this is a divisional opponent and i am sure, blache would love to have him available, even for about 10 plays. in the end, i think the medical staff advises him to sit one more week.. we beat dallas without him, and i think we can beat philly without him..

as for james, i dont have a clue what the deal was, except they are going very slowly with him because of his major history of knee injury.. to me, when they played jackson instead of james, that is all i need to know.. i dont think he is fully back yet, and i think jackson will continue to get additional reps instead of james...

[shally]

Oy, reading this has totally creeped me out. I basically had a similar injury from a mountain biking biff-job about 6 or 7 years ago (I didn't know there was a name for it). I crashed and had a huge bruise on the back of my right thigh. It went away after a couple weeks, but about a month later a ball of old blood pushed its way through my thigh muscle (hurt like a bugger when it happened), and my doctor had to cut it out. I'm glad I didn't croak. For what it's worth (probably very little), I was back on my bike maybe 10 days later, after I had my stitches out.

with all due respect, i dont think you had anything akin to what taylor had.. why ? because a compartment syndrome is an acute injury (you get it within the first day or 2 of the injury ) and if it is not drained immediately, severe nerve and muscle damage occurs in most cases.. and to drain it, you dont just make a small incsion, but rather have to open up the entire leg or thigh to relieve pressure totally...

[guess88]

with all due respect, i dont think you had anything akin to what taylor had.. why ? because a compartment syndrome is an acute injury (you get it within the first day or 2 of the injury ) and if it is not drained immediately, severe nerve and muscle damage occurs in most cases.. and to drain it, you dont just make a small incsion, but rather have to open up the entire leg or thigh to relieve pressure totally...

open up the entire leg or thigh? dear god. If JT comes back this fast, he is immortal.

[ryflan47]

man, what's the dilio? i though ej was supposed to be ready sometime early in the season, and now we're 1/4 done. IR maybe?

[shally]

man, what's the dilio? i though ej was supposed to be ready sometime early in the season, and now we're 1/4 done. IR maybe?

i dont think it is that bad.. but still, i dont think he is where they want him to be to provide consistent play.. at best, he looks like a spot player this year. that gives jackson a huge opportunity to claim a significant role on the team. unlike wilson, jackson has the frame to be a significant contributor

[shally]

open up the entire leg or thigh? dear god. If JT comes back this fast, he is immortal.

sometimes the skin incision is not that long.. but underneath the skin, the incision in the fascia (the tough membrane that holds the muscle together)
goes several inches longer-- sometimes almost the entire length of the compartment (from hip to knee or from knee to ankle).. it is significant..

[Moe]

...on the other hand, it is sure nice to see jackson get some time on the field

He was active but someone needs to teach him how to do a spin move. On more than one occassion he was just turning in space and not spinning as a means of getting an edge on the OT.

[Farmer Ted]

with all due respect, i dont think you had anything akin to what taylor had.. why ? because a compartment syndrome is an acute injury (you get it within the first day or 2 of the injury ) and if it is not drained immediately, severe nerve and muscle damage occurs in most cases.. and to drain it, you dont just make a small incsion, but rather have to open up the entire leg or thigh to relieve pressure totally...

Yeah, I'm sure it was different; what I noticed in the reports, though, was the old ball of blood, which is waht I had. I'm sure mine was not nearly as bad as what he had, or as deep in the muscle.

[Moe]

as for james, i dont have a clue what the deal was, except they are going very slowly with him because of his major history of knee injury.. to me, when they played jackson instead of james, that is all i need to know.. i dont think he is fully back yet, and i think jackson will continue to get additional reps instead of james...

From what I saw broken down on Post Game Heroes and from watching, it seems that they've put James inside at dt (believe left side) more than they have at de. I wonder if they simply didn't like the matchup against Dallas' big line so they went with the Evans/Jackson combination instead.

[shally]

From what I saw broken down on Post Game Heroes and from watching, it seems that they've put James inside at dt (believe left side) more than they have at de. I wonder if they simply didn't like the matchup against Dallas' big line so they went with the Evans/Jackson combination instead.


.....and in the dallas game, they were looking for pressure from the outside.. from the way james has been used (as you pointed out)
he is seen right now as more of an inside player on passing downs

[Oregonian]

I would tend to disagree that we weren't getting any outside pressure against Dallas.

Romo sensed the rush, was getting the ball away extremely quickly and moving well in the pocket.

(I, while having too much time on my hands, have been rewatching the game on TIVO and paying particular attention to what was happening on the D line, particularly the ends.)

Chris Wilson was speed rushing almost every time, trying to get upfield and turn the corner. He was fairly effective IMO, and on at least a few occasions had beaten his man cleanly and was coming at Romo. To his credit, Romo got the ball away well before he could be hit. But they were often not completions or first downs.

Carter also got some pressure, and walloped Romo on release at least once.

Against a less mobile, less decisive, and less 'aware' QB, I think our ends will have a much more obvious impact.

[bergiemoore]

I would tend to disagree that we weren't getting any outside pressure against Dallas.

Romo sensed the rush, was getting the ball away extremely quickly and moving well in the pocket.

(I, while having too much time on my hands, have been rewatching the game on TIVO and paying particular attention to what was happening on the D line, particularly the ends.)

Chris Wilson was speed rushing almost every time, trying to get upfield and turn the corner. He was fairly effective IMO, and on at least a few occasions had beaten his man cleanly and was coming at Romo. To his credit, Romo got the ball away well before he could be hit. But they were often not completions or first downs.

Carter also got some pressure, and walloped Romo on release at least once.

Against a less mobile, less decisive, and less 'aware' QB, I think our ends will have a much more obvious impact.

I agree. Romo is a very talented QB, but the DLine did a good job of disrupting the pocket up the middle, and the DEs kept him contained and under pressure.

Every QB the Skins have played has had their worst rating of the season so far against the Skins, with the exception of Romo. An argument could be made that the Romo's rating is higher than it should be due to the final drive. During that drive, the Skins rushed only 3 down linemen, and begged him to throw the ball in the middle of the field to eat up the clock. That drive alone, in which he went 5/8 for 82 yards and a TD for a 139 rating, boosted his QB rating from 80.9 to 90.7.

Getting pressure on the QB is reflected in that QB's rating, albeit not nearly as much as in the sack column.

This DLine, without Taylor, is actually still pretty good. It's definitely better with him, but they should be able to generate pressure without him. I'm particularly impressed with how disruptive the DTs have been in the passing game this year.

[shally]

WaPo was saying that taylor still has his stitches in !! if that is the case, i dont see anyway they let him play.. the risk of infection is probably too high until they are out...