Caucasion Club

[Skinzaholic]

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/6791356.htm


A 15 yr old girl in California is circulating a petition to get a new club added to her highschool... the Caucasion Club. She staes it would be open to everyone (as are all school clubs) and would focus on bridging racial diversity by exploring the history of European Americans.

The NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) is against this club, citing that the name hints towards a return to segregation.


I would be interested in knowing your thoughts.

[ShaggySkins]

I think the NAACP has other issues to concern itself with then some dork 8th or 9th grader trying to start a club for white kids.

[Minnesota Mike]

This reminded me of some HS kid a couple of years ago that wanted to form and Anarchist Club. I'm still not sure how/if something like that would work. I'm thinking if you're organized enough to get together and hold meetings, what kind of an anarchist are you?

[Chief Seeway]

Originally posted by Minnesota Mike
This reminded me of some HS kid a couple of years ago that wanted to form and Anarchist Club. I'm still not sure how/if something like that would work. I'm thinking if you're organized enough to get together and hold meetings, what kind of an anarchist are you?

I think there has already been a "post of the day" declared but this HAS to receive honorable mention!!!

Well said MM!

[BigCountry]

European American history is probably the broadest subject you're gonna find since people came here from soooooo many differant cultures so I guess a "white" club would be the wrong name for it. Little missy don't sound all that bright to me...

The only reason I can see the NAACP wanting to get involved in this pile of crap is a sending a member as a practical joke, cause otherwise I don't really understand why they'd go to all this trouble. I don't have a whole lot of trust in the public school system, but I'm sure no school would allow a club that brings back segragation, especially in the Bay Area, and in Cali all together.

[Skinzaholic]

Not sure why... but the NAACP is taking it VERY seriously. They are viewing it as an attack on their agenda... while the oposite voice has taken this chance to point out the NAACP's own argument of "segregation" seems to point toward them as well.

May end up being quite a fight... and possibly picked up by other students in other schools across the nation.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

It bugs me when I know of at least four schools around here that have a club with a name like "Men of Color" or "The Minority Group," but if someone starts to try the same thing with whites, it's the next coming of the KKK.

I don't support any of it. Men of Color is just as racist and exclusive as the Causasian Club. People need to get over differences based on race.

[bfauble83]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
It bugs me when I know of at least four schools around here that have a club with a name like "Men of Color" or "The Minority Group," but if someone starts to try the same thing with whites, it's the next coming of the KKK.

I don't support any of it. Men of Color is just as racist and exclusive as the Causasian Club. People need to get over differences based on race.


Very well put.

[BigDaddyBohnzie]

i'm in the boat with JDS. there shouldn't be any group sponsored by a school that allows itself to be overwhelmingly singled out to one particular group...

what the school needs to do is use common interests (fashion, chess, sports, games, etc) and promote diversity among those groups, as opposed to the minority club, or men of color, or the caucasian club, or the 16 year old white males club...

society has created this double standard, and allows it to continue to exist. instead of promoting diversity, it's allowing itself the easy way out.

[jsarno]

Like Joedaschmoe says...we need to get over our race boundaries.
I say YES...ALLOW IT! This is why. There are already groups for the oriental and others ethnic backgrounds...so why are the whites the only race being not allowed to form their own group?

NAACP is RACIST!!!!! There is no better explanation for them. They PROMOTE separation from the other races and it's wrong. I'm all for equality (obviously) but I am not for special privilages. So either we get rid of all the crap that separates us, or allow everyone and their mother to separate themselves. There is no in between.

[Skin-E-Dip]

If there can be a black club or minority club then why not a Caucassion club. I think its bad to have any clubs based on color. Now if the NAACP feels that promoting diversity is very important then why shoudl they have a problem excepting clubs ran by people of another race(white). Its hypocritical

[Spence]

Let the girl form her club for white people if she likes. The NAACP [which is not racist, by the way--that's one of the most absurd things I've ever read in my entire life] should have better things to do than waste time on this girl. It doesn't sound like she or her club are worth the effort.

[BigCountry]

Yeah for some reason I'm having a hard time picturing this girl starting the 4th reich. Sounds harmless.

[lakewinola]

Let her have her club I'm sure it won't strain race relations in the school. This can only help them.

Minority type clubs are used to keep ethnic traditions from being lost, they celebrate their past culture. The majority of a population never has this risk, their culture(mine) has been jammed down the throats of everyone in this country. Why do you need a club to celebrate a culture that already dominates the country? In order to crush the subcultures?

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by Spence
Let the girl form her club for white people if she likes. The NAACP [which is not racist, by the way--that's one of the most absurd things I've ever read in my entire life]

They're not racist, but are somewhat discriminatory... They are supposedly defending equal rights for everyone. Yet they pick and choose and only support the people they want to, not everyon whose rights being violated. Never mind that a girl was suspended because she put a pamphlet about god creating the universe on her science teachers. And the teacher felt "threatened". But they'll defend a kid who wants to wear a George Bush is a terrorist shirt in school? Comeon. The girl seems to me has the right to express her opinion to the teacher about creation. However, the NAACP says that there is no case. Yet they are going to fight for a kid who wants to wear an absurd shirt? I don't think any shirt about terrorism should be worn in school. It's not appropriate. However because of the reason she is suspended they don't take the case. Cause they won't defend a christian viewpoint.

[Spence]

Originally posted by jporterweb
They're not racist, but are somewhat discriminatory... They are supposedly defending equal rights for everyone. No, they are supposed to be working for equality for African-Americans within the society. That's their job, as they have defined it. That's why they are called the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Since African-Americans are an historically oppressed racial minority within this country, that doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.

Why is it that some people don't like the NAACP but have no problem with groups that defend the rights of...oh...say, Christians. Groups that defend the rights of religious Christians [well, some religious Christians anyway--not religious Christians like myself] do not advocate for everyone. They don't advocate for African-Americans specifically, or Jews or Muslims. And no one expects them to because the task they have chosen for themselves is to defend the rights of Christians. Good for them. But why should the NAACP and other civil rights groups be expected to work for everyone equally when other groups are not? That's not discrimination, that's called setting yourself a goal and pursuing that goal. The NAACP has its job. Other groups have their own jobs. To expect the NAACP to concern itself with every single injustice in the country is absurd. It does not have the financial or human resources to handle such a task. It has all it can handle just doing what it does now.

Let's stop the unreasonable expectations of groups like the NAACP. They've set themselves a task. They work hard at it. They've done incredible things in this country--like win Brown v. Board of Education in the Supreme Court in 1954. But they are not responsible for fixing every problem and righting every wrong.

[jporterweb]

Then if the NAACP is to defend blacks, they need to stick to that. Don't take on some white cases and not others. They don't just cover colored cases.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by jporterweb
Then if the NAACP is to defend blacks, they need to stick to that. Don't take on some white cases and not others. They don't just cover colored cases.

Where did you get this "defend blacks" mission that you accuse the NAACP of being a part of? Defend them how? Enlighten me please, because being a black man I myself was unaware of their "defending" me or any of my people.

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Where did you get this "defend blacks" mission that you accuse the NAACP of being a part of? Defend them how? Enlighten me please, because being a black man I myself was unaware of their "defendind" me or any of my people.

I appologize, I didn't think of it as coming accross that way. That's why I hate typing this stuff cause I can't explain it right away. What I mean is defend them in these cases. My point was that the NAACP takes on some cases and leaves others out even though they are about the same thing. Spence is the one that says that they only are meant to defend cases for black individuals. Which is not what they do. My point is that it's fine if they are there to defend blacks who are discriminated against. However, if they choose to go and defend some others, then they should defend ALL OTHERS who's rights are violated. Not just some of them. I hope that sounds a little better...although I still don't think I said it exactly like I mean.

[NamVet4]

Sometimes, in the middle of a fearsome night, when the hot, damp jungle sucked life out of you, my buddy Joe and I would speak in whispers to help ease our fear and give us a sense of reality. One time, we stumbled on the topic of where we each came from. You know, where ”back in the world” we called home, went to school, who we hung out with. We talked about the sports we played and the “heroes” of our youth. I remember telling him that I went to a parochial school in suburban New Jersey. Joe told me he went to a public school in the heart of Detroit. Somehow we got on about our families and ethnic backgrounds. I thought I was a mixed bag until Joe told me that he could join almost any ethnic group or club around. He said” I’m an All-American boy, made up of almost every ethic background you could guess: English, Irish, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Puerto Rican, Mexican, African.... “ Well you get the idea. I joked to him, “damn, you could never be counted in any group”! “That’s O.K.”, he said, “some people join groups just to make themselves feel important”. I asked him, “did you join anything?”. He answered, “No, just this f**ng outfit”!
We laughed, went back to keeping our sh*t wired tight, covering our butts and counting the days ‘till we were short timers. I visited with Joe the weekend of the HR Tailgate party. I told him about what was happening in my life and how the world had changed, for some good and some bad. And as my fingers traced his name on that black granite wall, tears streamed down my face and my breath left my chest. My friend was not here with me to share the good times to come. Joe was never black to me, and I was never white to him. The only color we saw in each other was jungle camouflage. No group, or club, no matter how good or bad, well intentioned or not, could or will ever define what we had.

[Skinzaholic]

My goodness NamVet... you sure can squelch a good debate.

Anyone else have any comments after that?

LOL!

[BigCountry]

Nope there's not much more to add to that, but sadly there's racism still exists in our country and on the most part it isn't against white people. That's why the NAACP exists.