The Gibbs Contribution

[Biggie]

Something just occurred to me that I thought beared mentioning. Considering how much some of us (including myself) have come to deride the Gibbs II era in the wake of our newfound (at least for now) success, Zorn and the Redskins would not be in the position they are in without Gibbs. Despite the two timeouts, the scared coaching, and the lack of killer instinct, there are still a lot of things Gibbs did that are paying dividends for this franchise as we speak. For example:

1 - Acquisition of legitimate talent - Gibbs brought in Campbell, Portis, Moss, Cooley, ARE, upgraded the offensive line, and helped bring in the defensive players that beat one of the NFL's best offenses today (all of them except for Horton). All of the starters on the offense today were starters under Gibbs, and so were the starters on the defense except for Horton.

2 - Creating a legitimate front office - Talk about Cerrato drafting Horton all you want, but does that pick happen if Gibbs doesn't bring back competence to the front office? This team couldn't draft to save its life before Gibbs came back; he reorganized the scouting department and likely taught Vinny more than a thing or two. Notice how we haven't brought in any Bruce Smith types lately?

3 - Coaching - Joe Bugel is here because of Gibbs and Greg Blache and his staff are here because of Gibbs. Can't really understate that.

Just thought I'd point that out. Zorn is a hell of a driver, but Gibbs was the guy who built the car.

[shally]

Something just occurred to me that I thought beared mentioning. Considering how much some of us (including myself) have come to deride the Gibbs II era in the wake of our newfound (at least for now) success, Zorn and the Redskins would not be in the position they are in without Gibbs. Despite the two timeouts, the scared coaching, and the lack of killer instinct, there are still a lot of things Gibbs did that are paying dividends for this franchise as we speak. For example:

1 - Acquisition of legitimate talent - Gibbs brought in Campbell, Portis, Moss, Cooley, ARE, upgraded the offensive line, and helped bring in the defensive players that beat one of the NFL's best offenses today (all of them except for Horton). All of the starters on the offense today were starters under Gibbs, and so were the starters on the defense except for Horton.

2 - Creating a legitimate front office - Talk about Cerrato drafting Horton all you want, but does that pick happen if Gibbs doesn't bring back competence to the front office? This team couldn't draft to save its life before Gibbs came back; he reorganized the scouting department and likely taught Vinny more than a thing or two. Notice how we haven't brought in any Bruce Smith types lately?

3 - Coaching - Joe Bugel is here because of Gibbs and Greg Blache and his staff are here because of Gibbs. Can't really understate that.

Just thought I'd point that out. Zorn is a hell of a driver, but Gibbs was the guy who built the car.

as much as i love Gibbs i feel that if he is driving the car this year we arent where we are now.. this team is just responding differently for Zorn and his playcalling is definitely more aggressive.. (not even going to talk about clock managment..lol)

gibbs is deservedly in the HOF but Zorn is the right man at the right time for this team

plus, if gibbs stays we have another year of GWilliams and i still think that Blache has a better handle on the defense overall

[Death_Venom]

as much as i love Gibbs i feel that if he is driving the car this year we arent where we are now.. this team is just responding differently for Zorn and his playcalling is definitely more aggressive.. (not even going to talk about clock managment..lol)

gibbs is deservedly in the HOF but Zorn is the right man at the right time for this team

plus, if gibbs stays we have another year of GWilliams and i still think that Blache has a better handle on the defense overall

Could not agree more........

[Biggie]

as much as i love Gibbs i feel that if he is driving the car this year we arent where we are now.. this team is just responding differently for Zorn and his playcalling is definitely more aggressive.. (not even going to talk about clock managment..lol)

gibbs is deservedly in the HOF but Zorn is the right man at the right time for this team

plus, if gibbs stays we have another year of GWilliams and i still think that Blache has a better handle on the defense overall
Oh, I'm in total agreement. I just think this is one of those situations where one man builds a good team but someone else is better suited to leading it and getting the most out of it. It's doubtful that Gibbs would be doing nearly as good as job as Zorn is at this point in the season, but at the same time, if Gibbs never came back and we'd hired Zorn in 2004, I think we'd still be in the Dark Ages.

Just saying that the guy should get his due for putting this team back on the right track. We didn't see how much good he did until someone else was willing to use the weapons he went out and got.

[whitskins]

Just like Parcells, Gibbs' coaching philosophy is simply at odds with what it takes to win consistently in the modern NFL.

But, as was the case with the Tuna, Gibbs is still a great enough football mind to build a talented and competitive team. He just didn't have the mindset to squeeze the most juice from the fruit anymore.

I'm still grateful to Gibbs for turning us around, and when I think back to the Spurrier team that he inherited, I'm amazed that he was able to bring us back from a roster that was as horrid and depleted as any Skins team that I can remember.

If Spurrier had stayed one more year we probably would have picked #1 overall the following season.

[Santheb]

Yeah, got to give props to Coach Gibbs. He came here with a crappy situation and left us (from the looks of things) with one we can all deal with: a very competitive team that has good fortunes against Dallas ;)

Good post Biggie

[WarEagle]

I have to say the drafting of Jason was pretty inspired and at the time very surprising, if I recall correctly. No one down here expected JC to go that soon in the draft. I remember a line attributed to someone in the Redskins org on Jason: "We looked at film of his losses at Auburn. None of them were his fault." That cracked me up.

That said, Coach Gibbs might should have put Jason in much earlier.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Its sort of reminiscent of Gruden winning with Dungy's team in Tampa (aside from the SB win of course, lol). A seperate, external source was needed to get over the hump so to speak. The season is still so young and we can't get ahead of ourselves, but this team is showing promise and playing with confidence. Gibbs gave hope and changed the culture of the franchise, not to mention the acquisitions made during his tenure.

[guess88]

We're definitely in much better shape after Gibbs came (because we were flat out embarrassing for a while). He's like the old grandpa you ask for help when you've messed up your life so much, you need a turnaround. He might be worn out as an HC, but I still would've liked him as a GM or some face of the organization.

[Wild Bore]

In one respect, I believe Gibbs II was more successful than Gibbs I and that is this:

In 2004, Joe Gibbs saved this franchise.

[GibbsFan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shally View Post
as much as i love Gibbs i feel that if he is driving the car this year we arent where we are now.. this team is just responding differently for Zorn and his playcalling is definitely more aggressive.. (not even going to talk about clock managment..lol)

gibbs is deservedly in the HOF but Zorn is the right man at the right time for this team

plus, if gibbs stays we have another year of GWilliams and i still think that Blache has a better handle on the defense overall

Agreed, but Gibbs made the changes to get this organization back on the right track. We have a bright future because of his work. Thanks Joe, for another job well done.

Hail!

[CarMike]

I have to say the drafting of Jason was pretty inspired and at the time very surprising, if I recall correctly. No one down here expected JC to go that soon in the draft. I remember a line attributed to someone in the Redskins org on Jason: "We looked at film of his losses at Auburn. None of them were his fault." That cracked me up.

That said, Coach Gibbs might should have put Jason in much earlier.
At the time, what really surprised me was that Gibbs took a chance on a rookie QB. We all know he had won with veteran QBs. And it showed by his stubborness to yank Brunell sooner rather than later.

But in the end it was coach Gibbs who saw the potential in Campbell. So for that I'm very thankful. Same goes with Cooley. I remember on draft day thinking, "WTH is Cooley"? Gibbs knows talent when he sees it.

[WarEagle]

At the time, what really surprised me was that Gibbs took a chance on a rookie QB. We all know he had won with veteran QBs. And it showed by his stubborness to yank Brunell sooner rather than later.

But in the end it was coach Gibbs who saw the potential in Campbell. So for that I'm very thankful. Same goes with Cooley. I remember on draft day thinking, "WTH is Cooley"? Gibbs knows talent when he sees it.

Cooley was a gift. 81st in the draft (I had to look that up)! I'm sure I saw some of his games on ESPN2 while he was at Utah State, but due to the time difference I was too hammered to remember. ;)

[native skin]

Something just occurred to me that I thought beared mentioning. Considering how much some of us (including myself) have come to deride the Gibbs II era in the wake of our newfound (at least for now) success, Zorn and the Redskins would not be in the position they are in without Gibbs. Despite the two timeouts, the scared coaching, and the lack of killer instinct, there are still a lot of things Gibbs did that are paying dividends for this franchise as we speak. For example:

1 - Acquisition of legitimate talent - Gibbs brought in Campbell, Portis, Moss, Cooley, ARE, upgraded the offensive line, and helped bring in the defensive players that beat one of the NFL's best offenses today (all of them except for Horton). All of the starters on the offense today were starters under Gibbs, and so were the starters on the defense except for Horton.

2 - Creating a legitimate front office - Talk about Cerrato drafting Horton all you want, but does that pick happen if Gibbs doesn't bring back competence to the front office? This team couldn't draft to save its life before Gibbs came back; he reorganized the scouting department and likely taught Vinny more than a thing or two. Notice how we haven't brought in any Bruce Smith types lately?

3 - Coaching - Joe Bugel is here because of Gibbs and Greg Blache and his staff are here because of Gibbs. Can't really understate that.

Just thought I'd point that out. Zorn is a hell of a driver, but Gibbs was the guy who built the car.

Gibbs coming back, despite some of the hiccups, set the wheels in motion to get this team back to winning. I completely recognize his contributions. Everything happens for a reason. If Gibbs didn't unexpectedly re-retire then Zorn would not be here. Gibbs IMHO is responsible for getting rid of the losing culture that was prevalent here for far too long. It was disgusting. If this team continues to play like this we will have turned the corner on a very disheartening era in Redskins History. Thanks Gibbs!! Hail!!!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Something just occurred to me that I thought beared mentioning. Considering how much some of us (including myself) have come to deride the Gibbs II era in the wake of our newfound (at least for now) success, Zorn and the Redskins would not be in the position they are in without Gibbs. Despite the two timeouts, the scared coaching, and the lack of killer instinct, there are still a lot of things Gibbs did that are paying dividends for this franchise as we speak. For example:

1 - Acquisition of legitimate talent - Gibbs brought in Campbell, Portis, Moss, Cooley, ARE, upgraded the offensive line, and helped bring in the defensive players that beat one of the NFL's best offenses today (all of them except for Horton). All of the starters on the offense today were starters under Gibbs, and so were the starters on the defense except for Horton.

2 - Creating a legitimate front office - Talk about Cerrato drafting Horton all you want, but does that pick happen if Gibbs doesn't bring back competence to the front office? This team couldn't draft to save its life before Gibbs came back; he reorganized the scouting department and likely taught Vinny more than a thing or two. Notice how we haven't brought in any Bruce Smith types lately?

3 - Coaching - Joe Bugel is here because of Gibbs and Greg Blache and his staff are here because of Gibbs. Can't really understate that.

Just thought I'd point that out. Zorn is a hell of a driver, but Gibbs was the guy who built the car.

it seems that Gibbs the team president was better than Gibbs the coach.

[RoanokeSkin]

Gibbs deserves a lot of the credit for where we are now. He brought us back to respectability and he built a team that is capable of winning. Joe Gibbs did things so well, that he even knew when it was time to step away. Right now, Jim Zorn is the right man for the job. Perhaps like a young Joe Gibbs was the first time around.

Watching the end of the game yesterday seemed like paying homage to Gibbs. We had the lead and we pounded the ball on the ground to chew up clock and win the game, just like Gibbs at his finest. I have to believe he was smiling yesterday.

[BurgundyNGold]

Just like Parcells, Gibbs' coaching philosophy is simply at odds with what it takes to win consistently in the modern NFL.

But, as was the case with the Tuna, Gibbs is still a great enough football mind to build a talented and competitive team. He just didn't have the mindset to squeeze the most juice from the fruit anymore.

I'm still grateful to Gibbs for turning us around, and when I think back to the Spurrier team that he inherited, I'm amazed that he was able to bring us back from a roster that was as horrid and depleted as any Skins team that I can remember.

If Spurrier had stayed one more year we probably would have picked #1 overall the following season.
This is an excellent post.

[shally]

Just like Parcells, Gibbs' coaching philosophy is simply at odds with what it takes to win consistently in the modern NFL.

But, as was the case with the Tuna, Gibbs is still a great enough football mind to build a talented and competitive team. He just didn't have the mindset to squeeze the most juice from the fruit anymore.

I'm still grateful to Gibbs for turning us around, and when I think back to the Spurrier team that he inherited, I'm amazed that he was able to bring us back from a roster that was as horrid and depleted as any Skins team that I can remember.

If Spurrier had stayed one more year we probably would have picked #1 overall the following season.

nah.. spurrier would have traded the number 1 for the rights to some florida receiver....

[CNYSkinFan]

Just like Parcells, Gibbs' coaching philosophy is simply at odds with what it takes to win consistently in the modern NFL.

But, as was the case with the Tuna, Gibbs is still a great enough football mind to build a talented and competitive team. He just didn't have the mindset to squeeze the most juice from the fruit anymore.

I'm still grateful to Gibbs for turning us around, and when I think back to the Spurrier team that he inherited, I'm amazed that he was able to bring us back from a roster that was as horrid and depleted as any Skins team that I can remember.

If Spurrier had stayed one more year we probably would have picked #1 overall the following season.

At the time, what really surprised me was that Gibbs took a chance on a rookie QB. We all know he had won with veteran QBs. And it showed by his stubborness to yank Brunell sooner rather than later.

But in the end it was coach Gibbs who saw the potential in Campbell. So for that I'm very thankful. Same goes with Cooley. I remember on draft day thinking, "WTH is Cooley"? Gibbs knows talent when he sees it.

it seems that Gibbs the team president was better than Gibbs the coach.

Gibbs deserves a lot of the credit for where we are now. He brought us back to respectability and he built a team that is capable of winning. Joe Gibbs did things so well, that he even knew when it was time to step away. Right now, Jim Zorn is the right man for the job. Perhaps like a young Joe Gibbs was the first time around.

Watching the end of the game yesterday seemed like paying homage to Gibbs. We had the lead and we pounded the ball on the ground to chew up clock and win the game, just like Gibbs at his finest. I have to believe he was smiling yesterday.

i adopt all these posts as my own to make me look smarter

Seriously Gibbs deserves some credit here. For the most part this is still his team, the offense changed, but the personel and defense are the same. The only contribution from this rookie class of note is Horton and the only fa acquisition of note is Jason Taylor. Here are the list of starters acqwired or drafted undeer Gibbs on this team:

Jason Campbell
Mike Sellers (re-acquired after beign let go)
Clinton Portis
Santana Moss
Chris Cooley
Antwaan Randle-El
Casey Rabach
Pete Kendall
Stephon Heyer (prob back to being starter after injury is healed)
Cornelliuys griffin
Kedrick Golston
Andre Carter
Rocky McINtosh
London Fletcher
Marcus Washington
Carlos rogers
Sean Springs
Laron Landry
Sean Suisham


(I refuse to liste Doughty as a starter...he is not a starter even if he starts the game...that is Horton's spot IMO)

And special props for drafting Sean Taylor whoshould be with us today.

this is Gibbs team using a different season...which should have happened under Saunders...but didn't. See how much of a genius Saunders is now in STL:...how is that genius tag inJAx as GW's defense flames out with better talent?

[Battle Cat]

The big thing that Gibbs II did was reel in the Danny. Gibbs did bring in free agents but he put an end to the Deon Sanders, Bruce Smith and Steve Spurrier type over reactions and signings that we were accustomed to before Gibbs II. He did give away some draft picks but he used far more than the coachs befor ehim in Washington. After seeing that and how well it worked we are even trading back and getting more picks in the draft and now getting younger without sacrificing wins. Gibbs II started this ball rolling. That said we are far more aggressive on offense and defense than we were under Gibbs.

[WarEagle]

I think it's cool that rookie coach Zorn is doing all of this with a collection of players he (mostly) didn't choose. Give him a few years...

[colkurtz]

Gibbs built the foundation of this house - but simply could not win in today's NFL. Gibbs II had the same overall win percentage as Spurrier; BUT Joe brought calm, strong and respected leadership to this franchise. He did leave a legacy of good players.

Gibbs tamed Danny Snyder and got him back to where he needed to be as the owner.

Zorn is simply taking this team to the next level that Gibbs II could not do.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Simply put Gibbs wasn't a good head coach anymore. However, he helped us in so many ways. He got Snyder to realize you have to spend wisely. He made us believe we could beat Dallas. He helped bring in some very talented football players and brought cohesiveness that we hadn't seen in quite some time. Gibbs definitely changed to losing culture of this team.

[silverspring]

Simply put Gibbs wasn't a good head coach anymore.


He sure wasn't a good GM either.

There is a serious gibbs love fest going on here. If campbell turns into a franchise qb then that will be the legacy i will remember Gibbs 2.0 leaving. Otherwise he made as many disastourous moves as good ones and didn't exactly do so in a thrifty manner.

[NamVet4]

He sure wasn't a good GM either.

There is a serious Gibbs love fest going on here. If Campbell turns into a franchise QB then that will be the legacy i will remember Gibbs 2.0 leaving. Otherwise he made as many disastrous moves as good ones and didn't exactly do so in a thrifty manner.

Danny Boy holds the purse strings.(And for awhile, rather poorly)

Good Moves AND bad moves are all played out with 20 - 20 hindsight. It is the conviction, courage and knowledge based on best available info to make the moves that counts. NO GM has ever put together a 100% perfect team.
Joseph Jackson Gibbs was the right man at the right time to bring Our Beloved Team to where it is now.

[Battle Cat]

He sure wasn't a good GM either.

There is a serious gibbs love fest going on here. If campbell turns into a franchise qb then that will be the legacy i will remember Gibbs 2.0 leaving. Otherwise he made as many disastourous moves as good ones and didn't exactly do so in a thrifty manner.
Maybe not in a thrifty manner but also not the drunken sailor manner that went on before he got here. Do you remember D. Sanders, B. Smith, M. Carrier, D. Stubblefield. Yes Gibbs II had A. Archuletta but even his contract didn't compare to those other guys and at least AA was fairly young still. Gibbs II spent money on players that were in their prime. Not old guys looking for a good retirement plan. When Gibbs II started we had rough times but we actually stopped being a laughing stock with our signings. The reputation with some took a longer time to wear off but it is almost completely gone. No more Danny warming up the jet jokes.