The Casey Rabach Downfield Penalty was Ticky Tack

[Keino]

If you watch this play, Rabach was engaged with the defender. When Campbell broke the pocket Rabach simply finished his block and this caused him to step over the Line of Scrimmage. That should have been a no-call. He did not run down field and start blocking, which is the spirit of that rule.

The officiating crew was horrible yesterday, but we got away with some stuff too, so Im not too mad, but that TD puts the game away.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I'll have to go back and watch that. What did we get away with? To me it looked like our guys played a good clean game.

I thought Romo was across the LOS for that one pass.

[Redskinmayhem]

If you watch this play, Rabach was engaged with the defender. When Campbell broke the pocket Rabach simply finished his block and this caused him to step over the Line of Scrimmage. That should have been a no-call. He did not run down field and start blocking, which is the spirit of that rule.

The officiating crew was horrible yesterday, but we got away with some stuff too, so Im not too mad, but that TD puts the game away.


i agree...it was ticky tack for sure. Had we scored a TD on either of those two penalties, I'm not so sure it doesn't become a blow-out at that point.

[WarEagle]

I think the NFL automatically reviews the kinds of calls that obliterate touchdowns, etc. There was a piece on HBO's Real Sports last year about how the refs are monitored. It's pretty serious. They'll check it out today or tomorrow and provide feedback to the crew. Doesn't do the Skins much good.

[redskin_rich]

I'll have to go back and watch that. What did we get away with? To me it looked like our guys played a good clean game.

I thought Romo was across the LOS for that one pass.
The facemask on Pac-Man.


Totally agree with Keino on this and furthermore, the illegal downfield block that Rabach committed had no bearing on the result of the play. I actually thought both of Rabach's penalties were ridiculous calls. My trust in the fairness and integrity of the sport was wavering at the time of those calls.

[CarMike]

I'll have to go back and watch that. What did we get away with? To me it looked like our guys played a good clean game.

I thought Romo was across the LOS for that one pass.

For one, the facemask on Adam Jones. It was on a punt return. Clear facemask but it wasn't called. And there were a couple of PI calls that they didn't call. Usually when we play the 'girls, there's always a couple of PI calls against us that could have went either way. And it usually goes against us.

[flave1969]

Second penalty was harsh in retrospect especially as the block began three yards previous to crossing the line of scrimmage.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

It was ticky tack, but a clear violation of the rule.

[SkinsKY]

If you watch this play, Rabach was engaged with the defender. When Campbell broke the pocket Rabach simply finished his block and this caused him to step over the Line of Scrimmage. That should have been a no-call. He did not run down field and start blocking, which is the spirit of that rule.

The officiating crew was horrible yesterday, but we got away with some stuff too, so Im not too mad, but that TD puts the game away.

It's not like he barely stepped over it. Rabach ended up 3-4 yards down field after the block. He's allowed a yard, but he's clearly past that. It was a penalty. If a ref sees a penalty they have to call it. Rabach is supposed to be aware of that. A TD there does put the game away, but it's Casey's fault on those two plays, not the refs.

[RoanokeSkin]

It's not like he barely stepped over it. Rabach ended up 3-4 yards down field after the block. He's allowed a yard, but he's clearly past that. It was a penalty. If a ref sees a penalty they have to call it. Rabach is supposed to be aware of that. A TD there does put the game away, but it's Casey's fault on those two plays, not the refs.

Agreed. The block had zero impact on the outcome of the play, but he was downfield and it is illegal. Rules are rules.

[Keino]

Disagree with both NJ and KY.

One. He was not 3 or 4 yards down field. He barely stepped over the line and by the time he had completed the block, the ball was out of Campbell's hands. Again, he was engaged. He didn't initiate the block after Campbell broke the pocket and this is why I disagree with NJ. Because he was engaged behind the LOS, it was NOT a clear violation of the rules.

I cannot be mad at Rabach for this one. The holding call? Yes. He clearly tried to get away with one after being beaten off the line (which is what he should do).

[SkinsKY]

Disagree with both NJ and KY.

One. He was not 3 or 4 yards down field. He barely stepped over the line and by the time he had completed the block, the ball was out of Campbell's hands. Again, he was engaged. He didn't initiate the block after Campbell broke the pocket and this is why I disagree with NJ. Because he was engaged behind the LOS, it was NOT a clear violation of the rules.

I cannot be mad at Rabach for this one. The holding call? Yes. He clearly tried to get away with one after being beaten off the line (which is what he should do).

I've got the game on dvr. I'll double check the timing of the pass again. Buck and Aikman (even though I despise them) talked about it a bit too.


EDIT: As Campbell starts the wind up, Rabach is 3 yards downfield. He finished the block well before Campbell had even begun his throwing motion. Actually, if he had just finished his block he would have been fine. However, he took two shuffle steps afterward which pushed him further downfield. It's still a penalty.

[Wild Bore]

They showed a different angle on it on Sportscenter. Rabach was downfield. That was a good call.

I can't blame Rabach though. QB was forced from the pocket and he was doing what he should have been doing.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

They showed a different angle on it on Sportscenter. Rabach was downfield. That was a good call.

I can't blame Rabach though. QB was forced from the pocket and he was doing what he should have been doing.

This is whay I saw too. When Campbell started to scramble left, the defender broke off Rabach's block by stepping back and began moving left. Rabach then did one of two things, which is not clear to me as he moves out of the camera angle. He either intended to follow the defender with the hope of making another block to keep the play alive, or he started wandering. Either way, he was a good three yards off of the LOS when Campbell released the ball.

[SkinsKY]

They showed a different angle on it on Sportscenter. Rabach was downfield. That was a good call.

I can't blame Rabach though. QB was forced from the pocket and he was doing what he should have been doing.

I do. I don't blame him for hustling. When I coached, we told players "if you make a mistake, do it going full speed." That's what Rabach did, but he still committed a mental error that cost us a touchdown, twice.

Looking at the holding call (which I don't have a very good angle to see it), the hold looks more innocuous than the other penalty. It doesn't look like he whiffed the block more than he held, and the ump is on the other side and wouldn't have been able to see his hand anyway.

[Wild Bore]

I do. I don't blame him for hustling. When I coached, we told players "if you make a mistake, do it going full speed." That's what Rabach did, but he still committed a mental error that cost us a touchdown, twice.

Looking at the holding call (which I don't have a very good angle to see it), the hold looks more innocuous than the other penalty. It doesn't look like he whiffed the block more than he held, and the ump is on the other side and wouldn't have been able to see his hand anyway.I'm not talking about his holding call!

[SkinsKY]

I'm not talking about his holding call!

I know. I suggested that it was more ticky tack than him running down field.

[shally]

I'll have to go back and watch that. What did we get away with? To me it looked like our guys played a good clean game.

I thought Romo was across the LOS for that one pass.

they almost ripped pac mans head off on a punt return..definitely a flagrant face mask.. and right in front of a ref also...

[Wild Bore]

they almost ripped pac mans head off on a punt return..definitely a flagrant face mask.. and right in front of a ref also...
Yeah we got a way with one there. Refs missed that.

[bergiemoore]

They showed a different angle on it on Sportscenter. Rabach was downfield. That was a good call.

I can't blame Rabach though. QB was forced from the pocket and he was doing what he should have been doing.

I disagree. He must have better awareness as to where he is on the field. Zorn's system asks that the QB make plays with his feet if the first reads don't give him anything. That said, the OLine needs to be more considerate with a scrambling QB. This is another wrinkle in the offense that differs from Gibbs'. Gibbs wanted the QB to check down, or throw the ball away in these circumstances.

[csquared]

It's not like he barely stepped over it. Rabach ended up 3-4 yards down field after the block. He's allowed a yard, but he's clearly past that. It was a penalty. If a ref sees a penalty they have to call it. Rabach is supposed to be aware of that. A TD there does put the game away, but it's Casey's fault on those two plays, not the refs.

Exactly

[Farmer Ted]

they almost ripped pac mans head off on a punt return..definitely a flagrant face mask.. and right in front of a ref also...

Yup. And it was totally awesome. Too bad his head didn't come out with the helmet.

[cal_junior]

Just checked my DVR. The LOS on that play was between the 10 and the 11 of Dallas. Rabach blocks a guy at about the 9, and when JC throws the ball Rabach has just reached the 7-yard-line.

He threw a block 1 1/2 yard over the LOS and when the ball was thrown he was right at 3 1/2 yards past the LOS.

[Moe]

I'll have to go back and watch that. What did we get away with? To me it looked like our guys played a good clean game.

I thought Romo was across the LOS for that one pass.

There was a clear false start by Jansen in the 4th on a 2nd that I cannot believe they didn't call. As for Romo, he wasn't over the line.

I couldn't see it in the replay but I didn't see the hold by Rabach on Portis' td run. It looked like he chucked left to start the play then shifted back to hit the LB (I think it was Thomas) but only got an arm out and then the LB fell forward. If someone has that one to review and cares, I'd be curious to know what you can see.

While Rogers did get a handful of jersey on that holding call that continued the Cowboys first scoring drive, Crayton wasn't in the play and that 'hold' not only was for a second but didn't affect Crayton at all. The refs job is hard enough so asking them to make spot determinations of what is and isn't in the realm of the play is complicating an already overly complex game but some of their calls seemed pointless.

[Ibleedburgundy]

For one, the facemask on Adam Jones. It was on a punt return. Clear facemask but it wasn't called. And there were a couple of PI calls that they didn't call. Usually when we play the 'girls, there's always a couple of PI calls against us that could have went either way. And it usually goes against us.

I forgot about that one. Yeah, that was a pretty obvious call that the refs missed.

[colkurtz]

Not to be really dense but I'm not sure I get the point of this thread. Rabach had TWO penalties - EACH which brought back a TD on that drive. I admit the refs were horrible with the blatant facemask and a gross Dallas off-sides that were also not called.

However, as with the Heyer penalty last week, if we had scored the TD's here the Cowpies would have been on the run.

The team is playing well. I just hate to see beautiful touchdown called back for penalties.

[cal_junior]

I just hate to see beautiful touchdown called back for penalties.

That was my thought during the Cowboys game. The most important thing is the win, but I was thinking what a shame it is that maybe the two most impressive highlight reel moments of Campbell's career have been called back because of penalties completely unrelated to what happened in the play.

[RedHokieSkin]

If you watch this play, Rabach was engaged with the defender. When Campbell broke the pocket Rabach simply finished his block and this caused him to step over the Line of Scrimmage. That should have been a no-call. He did not run down field and start blocking, which is the spirit of that rule.

The officiating crew was horrible yesterday, but we got away with some stuff too, so Im not too mad, but that TD puts the game away.

Ticky-tack? Maybe. But still a good call. Whether we like it or not, Rabach was 3 yards past the LOS when Campbell threw the ball.

I question the holding call the first time around. Looking at the replay over and over, it looks like Zach Thomas beats Rabach clean and dives forward trying to disrupt the play. I can't see any holding there. If Casey had held him, there's no way Thomas flies forward 5 yards like he did. I think the ref saw Thomas's dive and assumed Rabach must have grabbed his foot or something....

[CamLwalk]

The 2nd Rabach penalty was a good call (though it's so hard to blame Rabach, the pocket had broken down...jeez tough one). It's the holding call that I got a beef with. I looked at it a bunch of times and didn't see anything.

Later, we got away with an obvious facemask. Then there was an obvious false start they missed. At least they sucked both ways. I've been disappointed with the officiating this season...all over the league.

[openallnight]

The hold call was even worse! Who calls a hold on the center in the middle of the field on a freakin' sweep? I can't recall ever seeing that call.

[Cutter]

I thought the holding call was ticky tacky. I understand the 2nd call. But I really don't like that rule. His only option was to stop blocking him. If you're on defense, why not just let them abuse you at the line for the penalty. Of course, had Jason thrown the ball to the right after 3 steps isntead of holding it, it would have been a sure TD to Ladell Betts. But it's still a ridiculous rule that shouldn't have been applied. Maybe they were make up calls.

[Keino]

Unbelievable. I click on the post by Cutter using the mod power to read it and he finds some reason to find fault with Campbell on a play where he was hit in the pocket, avoided a sack and threw a TD pass which was called back due to a O line Penalty.

Dude you really are a Douche. Please go away. Please.

[jaylen]

I thought both calls were very ticky tack, particularly the blocking downfield calls, thats 3 td's in 2 weeks called back because of very questionable away from the ball calls.

I can't imagine how many times lineman away from the play end up away from the LOS. Not knowing where their qb is in relation to running or throwing.

bad calls but we still win.

[greatest2]

horrible call. i agree!

that miss call on Pacman just smells of make-up call. tho it doesn't even come close. its good to see our team face adversity and win. usually those crappy calls and some bad luck make us lose the game. this time, we had that, and we still won. team is growing, and it has to be because of the chemistry between players. i love it

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Unbelievable. I click on the post by Cutter using the mod power to read it and he finds some reason to find fault with Campbell on a play where he was hit in the pocket, avoided a sack and threw a TD pass which was called back due to a O line Penalty.

Dude you really are a Douche. Please go away. Please.

LOL.

[csquared]

I thought both calls were very ticky tack, particularly the blocking downfield calls, thats 3 td's in 2 weeks called back because of very questionable away from the ball calls.

I can't imagine how many times lineman away from the play end up away from the LOS. Not knowing where their qb is in relation to running or throwing.

bad calls but we still win.

horrible call. i agree!

that miss call on Pacman just smells of make-up call. tho it doesn't even come close. its good to see our team face adversity and win. usually those crappy calls and some bad luck make us lose the game. this time, we had that, and we still won. team is growing, and it has to be because of the chemistry between players. i love it

Horrible call?? Its a freaking rule. If it was a step or 2 past the 1 yard mark maybe, but 4 yards down field is 12 feet. Thats a big difference.

[smoak]

If you watch this play, Rabach was engaged with the defender. When Campbell broke the pocket Rabach simply finished his block and this caused him to step over the Line of Scrimmage. That should have been a no-call. He did not run down field and start blocking, which is the spirit of that rule.

The officiating crew was horrible yesterday, but we got away with some stuff too, so Im not too mad, but that TD puts the game away.

Agreed and said as much already... I missed the holding call, but on the only replay I saw it looked innocuous as well.

[Patrick]

On a day after a loss I might be upset by the penalties BUT today because the score ended in our favor - could care a less. On the flip side - Rabach needs to play smarter. Holding call cost us.

[jtovb2005]

On the man down field play, from the replay I say JC was begining to head down field. You could see Rabach turn and start to head downfield. I could see why he got the call I guess.

[Cutter]

Keino, once again you take issue with my football related post and make a personal attack on me. Go back to ignoring me or retire from the site. You wouldn't be me missed.

[Keino]

No Cutter, I take issue with your Anti-Campbell Agenda which colors your fallacious observations. 4th highest QB rating in the league and you are attempting to find fault with a play that would have been pretty damn special from him were it not for Rabach's penalty.

You add nothing of value to this community and frankly, I don't think making the observation that you are a douche is a personal attack at all. It is a statement of fact. Until you make the necessary adjustments to your posting style, you will be a douche in my eyes and I have no problems saying so..........

[csquared]

Keino, once again you take issue with my football related post and make a personal attack on me. Go back to ignoring me or retire from the site. You wouldn't be me missed.

Huh? :confused:

[guess88]

oh dear. even among success we all can't get along

[Keino]

I rest my case.

[Keino]

Just so that it cannot be edited out later.

[Cutter]

Unbelievable. I click on the post by Cutter using the mod power to read it and he finds some reason to find fault with Campbell on a play where he was hit in the pocket, avoided a sack and threw a TD pass which was called back due to a O line Penalty.

Dude you really are a Douche. Please go away. Please.

Ditto.

[Cutter]

No Cutter, I take issue with your Anti-Campbell Agenda which colors your fallacious observations. 4th highest QB rating in the league and you are attempting to find fault with a play that would have been pretty damn special from him were it not for Rabach's penalty.

You add nothing of value to this community and frankly, I don't think making the observation that you are a douche is a personal attack at all. It is a statement of fact. Until you make the necessary adjustments to your posting style, you will be a douche in my eyes and I have no problems saying so..........

*2

[Cutter]

Don't start nothin... won't be nothin

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

It was nice knowing you Cutter.......

[AliBabba]

Your mom is a douche. You should have been swallowed.
you will be sorely missed ...

[smoak]

Huh? :confused:

All your base are belong to us.

[TrueOracle]

Yup. And it was totally awesome. Too bad his head didn't come out with the helmet.

:beer:

[TrueOracle]

The hold call was even worse! Who calls a hold on the center in the middle of the field on a freakin' sweep? I can't recall ever seeing that call.

Dude.. Get used to it. Casey does it ALL the time. He was called on it last year like 3x's. He's notorious for it...

[TrueOracle]

Just so that it cannot be edited out later.

Wow!!! Went ballistic homie!!! Cutter is on an anti-love living campaign for JC (the PC description for Hata'). Can't we all just get along??? #$%^ it... I prefer we eat one another....

[SkinsKY]

All your base are belong to us.

Thanks Smoak. I appreciated that one a lot.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Unbelievable. I click on the post by Cutter using the mod power to read it and he finds some reason to find fault with Campbell on a play where he was hit in the pocket, avoided a sack and threw a TD pass which was called back due to a O line Penalty.

Dude you really are a Douche. Please go away. Please.

I watched the rewind last night of the game. On the down field penalty, the corner came untouched on a blitz. There was no way JC was getting that ball out on time. It really was a great play by him.

I wish Cutter would have explained the true reason for his dislike for Campbell before getting banned. He just has too much venom to be a simply case of not believing in him as our QB.

[Keino]

I have no proof, but I think it was a racial thing with Cutter.

Thing is NJ, he would have never explained his real reasoning for his hatred of Campbell. This board is a much better place without him trolling around here.....

[CarMike]

I have no proof, but I think it was a racial thing with Cutter.

Thing is NJ, he would have never explained his real reasoning for his hatred of Campbell. This board is a much better place without him trolling around here.....

I would hope it wasn't racial. I could care less what color the QB is as long as he's playing like Campbell has been for the last 3 weeks.

If that's the case however, good riddance...

[Keino]

Like I said Mike, I have no proof, just a gut feeling. I have a tendency to see things being racial that may not necessarily be the case. My own life experience has "colored" my perspective so to speak.....

[BurgundyNGold]

I have no proof, but I think it was a racial thing with Cutter.

Thing is NJ, he would have never explained his real reasoning for his hatred of Campbell. This board is a much better place without him trolling around here.....
I don't think it's fair to accuse someone of racism in such a cavalier fashion. Did he have a history of racist statements or off-color remarks?

You can accuse him of being a feminine hygiene wash (I believe you did, actually, lol) but a racism charge based on your own personal intuition and experience is a dangerous thing to do, in general, and is probably not a good practice.

[bergiemoore]

I would hope it wasn't racial. I could care less what color the QB is as long as he's playing like Campbell has been for the last 3 weeks.

If that's the case however, good riddance...

I think you guys are being too hard on Cutter. Think of all the great posts that we'll now miss. He was always there with a reliable dig at Campbell, regardless of the circumstances, facts, etc. I haven't been quite so entertained by a ridiculous character since the Colbert Report. I mean, try and remember the last time you used the classic "Your MOM!" comeback to an insult. That was just pure comedic styling, old-school.

That said, Keino, please don't make a habit of such ad hominem attacks. Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but seeing it expressed here was unexpected and out of keeping with my expectations for this forum.

[Fathead]

I kept waiting for Cutter to start preaching about reaquiring Patrick Ramsey. That would have been the greatest post in the history of the internet.





Also, Rabach was far enough downfield to get flagged. That penalty was no more nitpicking than the 12 men on the field.

[bergiemoore]

I kept waiting for Cutter to start preaching about reaquiring Patrick Ramsey. That would have been the greatest post in the history of the internet.





Also, Rabach was far enough downfield to get flagged. That penalty was no more nitpicking than the 12 men on the field.

I think there is a slight difference to a guy being 2 yards beyond where he's allowed to be, and out of the play, versus having 12 guys crowd the running lanes on a 3 and 2 running play.

[Fathead]

I think there is a slight difference to a guy being 2 yards beyond where he's allowed to be, and out of the play, versus having 12 guys crowd the running lanes on a 3 and 2 running play.




There weren't 12 guys crowding running lanes. They had 3 safeties.




Also, that's the whole point of the rule. He was 2 yards beyond where he was supposed to be. He's not an eligible reciever. He was the textbook definition of ineligible reciever downfield. You might not like the rule, but its a clear violation and should be flagged. I'm certain that most of the people here wouldn't take this view on it had it been dallass who got flagged for it.


Nitpicky would be that his right foot is beyond the line of scrimmage while his left foot is behind it. But that is not what happened.

[csquared]

I think there is a slight difference to a guy being 2 yards beyond where he's allowed to be, and out of the play, versus having 12 guys crowd the running lanes on a 3 and 2 running play.

Not really a penalty is a penalty. It wasn't like Rabach was a step over the line. he was a good 10-12 feet past.

[Keino]

I don't think it's fair to accuse someone of racism in such a cavalier fashion. Did he have a history of racist statements or off-color remarks?

You can accuse him of being a feminine hygiene wash (I believe you did, actually, lol) but a racism charge based on your own personal intuition and experience is a dangerous thing to do, in general, and is probably not a good practice.

He had a history of misogynist posts, so I don't think racism is really out of the realm of possibility and I never really levied the charge at him, just opined what I thought was driving his irrational hatred after he was gone.

I don't make it a frequent practice to levy the charge, but I won't apologize for stating the opinion here. Frankly, I don't see what's so dangerous about stating an opinion and acknowledging that it is mostly unsubstantiated.


That said, Keino, please don't make a habit of such ad hominem attacks. Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but seeing it expressed here was unexpected and out of keeping with my expectations for this forum.

Bergie I respect you Point of view and I think my history around here shows that I rarely resort to such a tactic, but I always have to call things as I see them and Cutter was at best a trolling douche.

[csquared]

Keino how do you know Cutter wasn't an African American?

[Keino]

There weren't 12 guys crowding running lanes. They had 3 safeties.




Also, that's the whole point of the rule. He was 2 yards beyond where he was supposed to be. He's not an eligible reciever. He was the textbook definition of ineligible reciever downfield. You might not like the rule, but its a clear violation and should be flagged. I'm certain that most of the people here wouldn't take this view on it had it been dallass who got flagged for it.


Nitpicky would be that his right foot is beyond the line of scrimmage while his left foot is behind it. But that is not what happened.

The issue I had with the call was that he was engaged with the guy behind the LOS. He became disengaged after crossing the LOS.

Again, technically, he was in violation of the rule. But I don't believe he was in violation of the spirit of the rule, which seeks to prevent the offense from getting O lineman downfield making blocks while the ball is in the air.

[Keino]

Keino how do you know Cutter wasn't an African American?

I don't.

[bergiemoore]

Bergie I respect you Point of view and I think my history around here shows that I rarely resort to such a tactic, but I always have to call things as I see them and Cutter was at best a trolling douche.

Your history here is why I was surprised to see that kind of thing. Again, I agree 100% with the sentiment, but I think that you should talk to Akh about how to insult a person by making hypothetical suppositions about their character/intelligence/species based their post. He is truly the master.

[BurgundyNGold]

He had a history of misogynist posts, so I don't think racism is really out of the realm of possibility and I never really levied the charge at him, just opined what I thought was driving his irrational hatred after he was gone.
To me, this is quite a jump, but not out of the realm of possibility.

I don't make it a frequent practice to levy the charge, but I won't apologize for stating the opinion here. Frankly, I don't see what's so dangerous about stating an opinion and acknowledging that it is mostly unsubstantiated.
The danger is that once that horse gets out of the barn, it's out. It's like accusing someone of anti-semitism or being a rapist. If it turns out to not be true, it's too late because most people will not remember that. Most people still think that Richard Jewell is the Olypmic Park bomber, even though it was shown that he wasn't. It's always better to exercise caution with some inflammatory accusations -- especially absent evidence.

[Keino]

To me, this is quite a jump, but not out of the realm of possibility.


The danger is that once that horse gets out of the barnyard, it's out. It's like calling someone anti-semitic, a rapist. If it turns out to not be true, it's too late because most people will not remember that. Most people still think that Richard Jewell is the Olypmic Park bomber, even though it was shown that he wasn't. It's always better to exercise caution with some inflammatory accusations -- especially absent evidence.

Eh....Unlike some others, if proven wrong I can man-up and admit that I was wrong. So if my opinion proved to be not true, I would apologize. Again, I am not really seeing the danger here when I specifically mention that it is a gut feeling more than anything......Sorta like the charge of a certain CB intentionally keeping himself out of the 2nd half. It's a gut feeling based on some other indicators........

[SkinsKY]

The issue I had with the call was that he was engaged with the guy behind the LOS. He became disengaged after crossing the LOS.

Again, technically, he was in violation of the rule. But I don't believe he was in violation of the spirit of the rule, which seeks to prevent the offense from getting O lineman downfield making blocks while the ball is in the air.

I hear you, but I can't support refs making (or not making) calls based on the spirit of the rules.

[Keino]

Your history here is why I was surprised to see that kind of thing. Again, I agree 100% with the sentiment, but I think that you should talk to Akh about how to insult a person by making hypothetical suppositions about their character/intelligence/species based their post. He is truly the master.


I didn't view him as worth the effort. I said what I had to say and kept it movin'.

[BurgundyNGold]

Eh....Unlike some others, if proven wrong I can man-up and admit that I was wrong. So if my opinion proved to be not true, I would apologize. Again, I am not really seeing the danger here when I specifically mention that it is a gut feeling more than anything......Sorta like the charge of a certain CB intentionally keeping himself out of the 2nd half. It's a gut feeling based on some other indicators........
Well, it's kinda hard to be proven that you're wrong after the guy has been banned. Check your PMs for the rest of my thoughts on this.

[Keino]

Well, it's kinda hard to be proven that you're wrong after the guy has been banned. Check your PMs for the rest of my thoughts on this.

The guy had plenty of chances to conform to the culture of this board, so I can't really feel bad for him that he is no longer around to defend himself with respect to my opinion. My opinion is now a matter of public record and I don't think that my opinion has more influence over anyone else than yours, or Akhs or Shally's or NJs.

People saw my opinion and either said to themselves "yea, I can see that" or they said "Keino has no proof, so I won't bother with it".

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I feel like I should jump in here. My initial post sort of stirred the pot a little, but I was at least asking the question of Cutter that Keino posted. While I don't take calling anyone a racist lightly, no one can deny Cutter either had a blind hatred for Campbell that extended beyond Campbell's ability to play QB (not necessarily to JC's race, but certainly to something personal), or Cutter just enjoyed being a jerk.

[BurgundyNGold]

The guy had plenty of chances to conform to the culture of this board, so I can't really feel bad for him that he is no longer around to defend himself with respect to my opinion. My opinion is now a matter of public record and I don't think that my opinion has more influence over anyone else than yours, or Akhs or Shally's or NJs.
That's not the issue. I saw what he said and I'm glad he was banned. I'm merely pointing out that he will never have the chance to refute your allegations and, therefore, it will never come to pass that you might have to apologize to the guy if he, in fact, is not a racist.

People saw my opinion and either said to themselves "yea, I can see that" or they said "Keino has no proof, so I won't bother with it".
That doesn't make it correct to make allegations about something as inflammatory as racism without specific proof.

[BurgundyNGold]

I feel like I should jump in here. My initial post sort of stirred the pot a little, but I was at least asking the question of Cutter that Keino posted. While I don't take calling anyone a racist lightly, no one can deny Cutter either had a blind hatred for Campbell that extended beyond Campbell's ability to play QB (not necessarily to JC's race, but certainly to something personal), or Cutter just enjoyed being a jerk.
Agreed, but that none of that necessarily equates to being a racist.

[Patrick]

GENTLEMEN - I think the issue of Cutter is history. His be banned ( if you don't like it) should be address through PM's or emails with the one or one's your having issues with. We need to stay on track with the orginal discussion - referring of course to the thread title.
Thank You!

[Keino]

That's not the issue. I saw what he said and I'm glad he was banned. I'm merely pointing out that he will never have the chance to refute your allegations and, therefore, it will never come to pass that you might have to apologize to the guy if he, in fact, is not a racist.


That doesn't make it correct to make allegations about something as inflammatory as racism without specific proof.

What can I say. I stand by my opinion and the right to post it. I acknowledged from the very beginning that I don't have proof, and I don't view it as any different than stating any other sort of opinion absent proof.

Furthermore, Cutter was a jerk and so I don't care whether or not he can come and defend himself. The dude made a disparaging remark about my Mother that was WAY more inflammatory than my stated opinion (or anything I said to him) which I couched specifically as an unsubstantiated opinion, but a gut feeling. Life experience entitles me to post my gut feeling absent proof (and you can do the same). It's called "Speculation". I made a speculative comment that was not definitive at all and made clear that I have no way of proving it. People can take it for what it's worth, which isn't a whole hell of a lot.

[bergiemoore]

GENTLEMEN - I think the issue of Cutter is history. His be banned ( if you don't like it) should be address through PM's or emails with the one or one's your having issues with. We need to stay on track with the orginal discussion - referring of course to the thread title.
Thank You!

Casey Rabach is a D*****! ;)

[Meatsnack]

I have watched this game three times now and have a couple of items to contribute with regard to the Rabach penalties:

1: He never held, point blank. There is no indication, direct visual or inferred by body position, that the Cowgirl defender was impeded in any way by Rabach - which is another issue altogether. Unless there is coach's film or some additional angle out there to support the hold call, it is bunk.

2: Officials have wide discretion to call or not call penalties based upon whether they affect the outcome of the play. The games would be 6 hours long if they called every single infraction they saw. With that in mind, I was irritated by the Rabach call so close on the heels of the first. He was clearly downfield and in violation of the rules, but "so what?" in this case. I think this was just "homefield advantage" and I hope we get the same benefit of the calls at Fed-Ex if they are going to call games to limit scores by visiting teams.

All of this just makes me want to see Kelly and Thomas in the line-up for the Red zone plays. If Campbell can get the ball out quicker to a more visible target who can just go up and get the ball, suddenly we can throw the corner fade like every other team in the league. getting the ball out quicker likely means neither of those calls gets a chance to be made.