Who has been committing the Penalties [Archive]

ShaggySkins

09-23-2003, 08:51 AM

Figured I'd add up these penalties and figure out who was the worse of the infractions

Total Penalties and Total Yardage Penalized:
Ohalete- 1 Penalty (15 yds)
Baumen- 1 Penalty (15 yds)
Jansen- 4 Penalties (16 yds)
Arrington- 3 Penalties (11 yds)
Fiore- 3 Penalties (20 yds)
Royal- 2 penalties (15 yds)
Holsey- 2 Penalties (10 yds)
Bruce Smith- 3 Penalties (15 yds)
Samuels- 4 Penalties (30 yds)
Hall- 1 Penalty (10 yds)
Gardner- 2 Penalties (25 yds)
Albright- 1 Penalty (10 yds)
McCants- 1 Penalty (15 yds)
Trotter- 1 Penalty (15 yds)
Smoot- 2 Penalties (31 yds)
Moore- 1 Penalty (10 yds)
Ramsey- 2 Penalties (10 yds)

Looking at it it appears the O-Line seems to be the biggest culprits. I gave Ramsey credit for the 2 delay of Games because its his job to watch the clock. Smoot had a 26 yd Pass Interference call which sent his yardage high. And some of the calls were only for 1 or 2 yards because of the field position.
Just thought it would be interesting to break it down and see where specifically these penalties were coming from.

uscskin

09-23-2003, 09:04 AM

Samuels is continuing to look oh-so overrated. If he keeps playing like this, his contract extension will NOT be an issue.

Also, I saw Jansen on TV last night being intereviewed by Sonny, and Jansen actually blamed his false start penalties on Ramsey and the coaches for changing plays with little time left on the play clock. I think this is BS and that Jansen needs to step up and admit he screwed up. It was HIS fault and not anyone elses. I was shocked to hear these words coming from him.

PennSkinsFan

09-23-2003, 09:17 AM

Problem also being Bruce Smith and Lavar Arrington are consistently getting us multiple penalties per game. The jumping off has to stop.

But above and beyong all, the bonehead late hit and taunting stuff has to be eliminated. Holding, off sides, falase starts...some are gonna happen, it happens everywhere, but this late hit and taunting crap is all abotu self control.

hail2skins

09-23-2003, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by uscskin
Samuels is continuing to look oh-so overrated. If he keeps playing like this, his contract extension will NOT be an issue.

Also, I saw Jansen on TV last night being intereviewed by Sonny, and Jansen actually blamed his false start penalties on Ramsey and the coaches for changing plays with little time left on the play clock. I think this is BS and that Jansen needs to step up and admit he screwed up. It was HIS fault and not anyone elses. I was shocked to hear these words coming from him.

I saw that UCSC. I don't think he blamed it on that. They asked about some things that could cause it and he mentioned that.

Jansen is right though, the coaches need to get the personnel/packages/plays they want on the field faster. Alot of time when they're breaking the huddle, there's on 12 seconds left on the play clock and Ramsey needs more time to go through his checks at the line. Spurrier even took credit for that saying he changed personnel too much.

AGibbsGirl

09-23-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by uscskin
Samuels is continuing to look oh-so overrated. If he keeps playing like this, his contract extension will NOT be an issue.

Also, I saw Jansen on TV last night being intereviewed by Sonny, and Jansen actually blamed his false start penalties on Ramsey and the coaches for changing plays with little time left on the play clock. I think this is BS and that Jansen needs to step up and admit he screwed up. It was HIS fault and not anyone elses. I was shocked to hear these words coming from him.

Hmmm...I gotta say, I did hear Spurrier say in postgame int. that they did switch up at the last minute quite a bit and that they "were gonna work on that this week" by way of explaining a few of the penalties. Wish I could remember exactly what he was referring to?

hail2skins

09-23-2003, 09:28 AM

changing the personnel/packages at the last minute. Seeing guys run in and out of the huddle at the last minute. That also explains the 12 men in the huddle penalties too.

Brett A

09-23-2003, 09:47 AM

I also think you will get more holding and false start flags on the o-line when you are behind in games by 17 and 18 points. The D-line is just coming at that point and we are passing. I dont think the penalties where as bad in the first game when we were leading or tied.

Brett

ShaggySkins

09-23-2003, 09:49 AM

Were going to have those mistakes though with the delay of games and confusion on the line until Ramsey gets more used to Spurriers system. He's still pretty much a first year QB.

hail2skins

09-23-2003, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by ShaggySkins
Were going to have those mistakes though with the delay of games and confusion on the line until Ramsey gets more used to Spurriers system. He's still pretty much a first year QB.

True but right now I think it's more of Spurrier's fault than Ramsey. Have you seen Ramsey waiting for the sideline to call the play. I've seen it alot of times.

hail2skins

09-23-2003, 09:55 AM

I also think Spurrier needs to cut down on the language to call the play as well. I think he's trying to relay alot of info to Ramsey in the limited amount of time that he has to make the call. I can hear him now. "If the safety does this, you do this. If they're in cover two, look here. If they blitz then you want to do this." That kind of stuff.

ShaggySkins

09-23-2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by hail2skins
I also think Spurrier needs to cut down on the language to call the play as well. I think he's trying to relay alot of info to Ramsey in the limited amount of time that he has to make the call. I can hear him now. "If the safety does this, you do this. If they're in cover two, look here. If they blitz then you want to do this." That kind of stuff.

You can't assume that Spurrier is causing the problems with the language. I think its more of Ramsey trying to call the perfect play instead of calling a play which would be positive but not a huge play.

Skinzaholic

09-23-2003, 10:36 AM

Ramsey's comfort level with the system HAS to have some part in all of this. It takes time to look over the defense and adjust... and it looks like he is taking too much time to do just that. As he grows he will recognize match-ups more quickly and be able to audible a it faster.

hail2skins

09-23-2003, 10:49 AM

Alot of what I see happens before Ramsey even calls the play in the huddle. That's what I'm referring to. Spurrier deciding what personnel he wants on the field and what play he wants to call. That causes Ramsey to lose valuable time on the play clock. When he gets to the line with only 10-12 seconds left, it's hard for him to get through his checks. There's more than one.

Spurrier making his decisions faster and cutting down on the number of audibles can help Ramsey out.

Hailyeah

09-23-2003, 11:56 AM

Good stats, Shaggy. In my mind, our big ticket tackles need to clean up their games here. Not only these ridiculous, killer penalties, but also the inconsistent protection. Yes, Ram did have alot more time to throw this week, but certainly Abraham, Kearney, and others rolled around the ends of our line at will in the first two games. Samuels especially needs to step it up in a huge way. Very, very overrated player IMO.

PennSkinsFan

09-23-2003, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Hailyeah
Good stats, Shaggy. In my mind, our big ticket tackles need to clean up their games here. Not only these ridiculous, killer penalties, but also the inconsistent protection. Yes, Ram did have alot more time to throw this week, but certainly Abraham, Kearney, and others rolled around the ends of our line at will in the first two games. Samuels especially needs to step it up in a huge way. Very, very overrated player IMO.

Agreed. I am tired of seeing them start at first and fifteen, especially on a nice little run or pass that gets negated. Especially Samuels and Jansen. This is the second year for them in the system, lets get the crap together.

dj_stouty

09-23-2003, 02:58 PM

Great research, Shaggy!

skinswin'emALL

09-23-2003, 04:51 PM

The O line needs go on the snap count -- it does not change with the audibles. It's the QBs job to watch the play clock, not the lines.

One thing I would like to see when SS has the confidence in Ram is the no huddle. When he would do it a Florida, it had teams spinning. It really allows the O to get in to a rythme. "If do right, no can defend"

rskinsfan10

09-23-2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by hail2skins
I saw that UCSC. I don't think he blamed it on that. They asked about some things that could cause it and he mentioned that.

I have to disagree with you here Mike and say that I got the same feel that uscskin got from that interview. I too saw it live and I got the impression that Jansen was throwing the blame on Ramsey and the coaches also.

rskinsfan10

09-23-2003, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by hail2skins

Spurrier making his decisions faster and cutting down on the number of audibles can help Ramsey out.

I agree with you on Spurrier making his decisions faster, but the audibles fall on Ramsey. He is the one that is supposed to check off to something else if he sees the D showing something that will not make the current play called to be unsuccessful. If you want him to change the audibles or to limit them, then in essence what you are asking for is Spurrier to change his entire offensive system IMO, which I don't think is a good idea.

roberro

09-24-2003, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
I agree with you on Spurrier making his decisions faster, but the audibles fall on Ramsey. He is the one that is supposed to check off to something else if he sees the D showing something that will not make the current play called to be unsuccessful. If you want him to change the audibles or to limit them, then in essence what you are asking for is Spurrier to change his entire offensive system IMO, which I don't think is a good idea.

I think the point is, if Spurrier made his decisions faster, then Ramsey would have more time at the line to evaluate the defence and make audibles. I don't agree with letting an essentially rookie quarterback run a no huddle offence. That is reserved for veterens who have proven the ability to game plan, "on the hoof", and be a, "field general". As good as I think Ramsey is, and what his potential, I don't think he is anywhere near this level of talent yet. My only other comment is that we have two of the best offensive tackles in the league. They have made some mistakes, but overall have played superbly. Lay off!

kaiser

09-24-2003, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by roberro
I think the point is, if Spurrier made his decisions faster, then Ramsey would have more time at the line to evaluate the defence and make audibles. I don't agree with letting an essentially rookie quarterback run a no huddle offence. That is reserved for veterens who have proven the ability to game plan, "on the hoof", and be a, "field general". As good as I think Ramsey is, and what his potential, I don't think he is anywhere near this level of talent yet. My only other comment is that we have two of the best offensive tackles in the league. They have made some mistakes, but overall have played superbly. Lay off!

With regards to Audibles, I think the defenses wait until a certain amount of time is left on the play clock before making their moves, and I still think Ramsey's recognition is a bit slow. Still, the most disappointing thing thi season has been the play of Chris Samuels. This is the guys who supposedly went 50 straight games in college without giving up a sack an was a top3 pick in the draft, and he's been beaten 3 weeks in a row. There's no way he's going to the Pro-bowl this year. He needs to shape up and prove that he's worth his pay-check, 'cos so far he's been abominable. He's supposed to be one of the stars on this team, and cancel the DE he's facing. What's happened?!

Skinsfan1906

09-24-2003, 09:17 AM

I think that Samuels is the main one. It's not just how many penalties he has and for how many yards..............IT'S WHEN HE IS COMMITING THEM. That's what's killing us.

hail2skins

09-24-2003, 10:09 AM

hail2skins

09-24-2003, 10:09 AM

Oh, and Spurrier was asked about using the no huddle and he said he wasn't too sure about that.

Emmanouel8

09-24-2003, 05:24 PM

The no-huddle worked ok w/ Shane last year. I'd say give it a shot for a half.

'E'

09-24-2003, 07:17 PM

I could swear there was more penalties on Samuels than that.

He just flat out sucks and doesn't belong out there. He is more of a liability than an asset at this point.

He was living off the hype for some time and it was either, he was hurt, or this or that....the fact is....he just is not a good player...PERIOD.

It's sad that he is the best we have. If I was the coaching staff, I would bench him and make him think about how bad of a player he has become. Sad......

Jansen has at least played average, Samuels is so far down the rung it is sickening.

Maybe we can grab one of the Hoggettes out of the stands and see if one of them wants to play tackle and give Samuels the dress and snout. ;)

JoeDaSchmoe

09-24-2003, 07:59 PM

The no huddle always works well for the Colts, it's worth a shot.

RODDY

09-24-2003, 10:37 PM

Did some of you even watch the game. I know it has become fashionable to rip Samuels but he simply had a very solid game. Please watch the film. No defender got even close to Ramsey while he was blocking them, and we ran alot of pass plays. On The play with unfortunate holdind penalty where the TD was nagated, Samuels beat Holmes cleanly and then it looks as if Samuels grabs Holmes to keep himself from falling at the end of the block.
Im not trying to make excuses for him. I believe he had a poor game against the Jets. However since then he has played well.
In Atlanta all that QB pressure was a result of not picking up the blitz by our backfield and against the Giants he continually shut his man down.
I know its easy to jump on this Samuel sucks bandwagon but please watch the film. Its simply not true.

Death_Venom

09-24-2003, 10:41 PM

hmmmmm.............*thinking over the game*..........hmmmmm

Yep-Offensive Line.........There's the main problem......Penalities i can accept........TOO MANY PENALTIES really TICK ME OFF........

Our schedule is only getting harder-and these teams are going to chew us up & spit us out if we dont get it together QUICK!!!

The Skins VS. Giants game was among the MOST FRUSTRATING I have the displeasure to endure..........But there were some good points......

Here is my MINOR ASSESSMENT:

1-McCants needs to show he can be a viable 3rd option.
2-USE the running GAME-.........Betts made some nice moves and gained some "decent" yardage (about 3-4yrds per carry).
3-Dont always go out there expecting to SLING the ball all over the field...........
4-Penalties? GOOD GOD!!! ENUFF ALREADY!!!

Anyways there is my 10 cents...........