Griffin gets MRI and Kelly's knee swells - BOTH ARE PRACTICING [Merged]

[hail2skins]

According to JLC

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/10/jz_presser.html#more

[JasonCampbell]

I've come to hate Malcolm Kelly's knee.

[greatest2]

not to worrired about griff, cause even if he misses, i don't think we lose to much with Golston taking over and monty coming in.


Kelly's knee, boy i think zorn and the FO need to start thinking about IR this kid. let him get his knee right, or he will just do more damage. Also, what good is he if he plays every 1 or 2 games out of 4?

then again, you IR, and he still be a rookie next year with no experience.

that knee sweeling means a underlying problem and they need to get it right. we need him for the long term, not short term.

[AliBabba]

I heard this on 980 earlier ... not good a/b Kelly

[CNYSkinFan]

I didn't know Bust had a "K" an "E", 2 "L"s and a "Y" in it

[AliBabba]

I didn't know Bust had a "K" an "E", 2 "L"s and a "Y" in it
watch it, we are just going into week 6

[shally]

According to JLC

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/10/jz_presser.html#more

looking more and more like a lost season for kelly..

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Its too early to call Kelly a bust, but its definitely frustrating wishing and hoping that this guy will be healthy anytime soon. :banghead:

[lakeskin]

Reminds me of Michael Barrow's knees. Every week he was supposed to come back and every week he'd be out. Of course Michael Barrow was 100 years old when he came here, so at least he had an excuse. Kelly's first year and he has the knees of a 100 year old linebacker. Not good.

[shally]

Its too early to call Kelly a bust, but its definitely frustrating wishing and hoping that this guy will be healthy anytime soon. :banghead:

took meachem a year to get over his knee woes.. hopefully, kelly will turn a corner sooner

[greatest2]

took meachem a year to get over his knee woes.. hopefully, kelly will turn a corner sooner

not if we keep pushing him. it will be chronic and always nagging. just give him time off, let him get it straight, and make sure its right. and when your sure its right, give it another month or 2 and then go full speed.

[shally]

not if we keep pushing him. it will be chronic and always nagging. just give him time off, let him get it straight, and make sure its right. and when your sure its right, give it another month or 2 and then go full speed.

if they are going to do that, might as well shut him down for the year..

[Death_Venom]

Interesting that Zorn stills prefers Heyer over Jansen........Jansen has been solid the last few games.....But at this point I am going to have to trust Zorn....

[skinsfan36]

man i say give it three weeks if he cant do anything in these next 3 games them you may have to consider putting him on ir. i like his potential but i want to see it

[skinsfan36]

Interesting that Zorn stills prefers Heyer over Jansen........Jansen has been solid the last few games.....But at this point I am going to have to trust Zorn....

i dont think he wants to make a decision until they are both healthy

[Death_Venom]

i dont think he wants to make a decision until they are both healthy

Good insight-and I will agree.........Nice to know that either way we have a good backup for the O-Line......

[hail2skins]

Kelly hopes to practice this week.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/10/his_knee_better_kelly_hopes_to.html#more

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Kelly hopes to practice this week.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/10/his_knee_better_kelly_hopes_to.html#more

I agree with the comments section after the blog entry. This is the same blog post every Tuesday or Wed. I really want this guy to succeed, so I get frustrated with this.

[skinfan43]

looking more and more like a lost season for kelly..
Perhaps not, if they inactivate him through the bye week. That time could allow him to do two critical things he's been struggling mightily with: HEALING and LEARNING. A good amount of time to get better in the body AND the brain...I still have high hopes for Kelly, but it's time to sit him down till after the bye IMO. Maybe give Davis some more reps in his place...sure he's not as fast, but he's a big presence and didn't he win some award as the best TE in the nation last year or something with over 1000 yds receiving perhaps unless i'm mistaken somehow (but i don't think so) should try to get him on the field two TE sets with the Cooleymonster would be nasty...

[BraveHeartFan]

The Kelly thing isn't shocking. I was a big fan of Kelly and wanted him for Dallas until right before the draft when reports about him having really bad knees came out. This isn't something really new for him it's just something he's just tried to hide or something, at least from the reports that were linked on the Cowboys board I go to during the couple of weeks leading up to the draft.

Apparently, from what I understand, that is one of the main reasons he fell into the second round was because teams were scared away by his knee issues.

[skinfan43]

The Kelly thing isn't shocking. I was a big fan of Kelly and wanted him for Dallas until right before the draft when reports about him having really bad knees came out. This isn't something really new for him it's just something he's just tried to hide or something, at least from the reports that were linked on the Cowboys board I go to during the couple of weeks leading up to the draft.

Apparently, from what I understand, that is one of the main reasons he fell into the second round was because teams were scared away by his knee issues.
He was definitely drafted for future potential rather than immediate production, they need to either rest him up until after the bye or he's gonna have to suck it up, study more, and seriously attempt to produce...it's Devin Thomas who appears to be in the driver's seat to shine as the season progresses - tall and strong build, good hands, fast, and aggressive (which is the one part of his game he needs to reel in, his offensive penalties need to be eliminated to warrant more snaps, but I'll take that as a rookie over some other scared, confused rookie WRs).

[Redskin4Life]

Any word on Griff? I haven't heard a word about the MRI...

About Kelly, I think we'll see him this weekend alot. I think we was kept out of the game to get an "extra week of rest". He was active and suited up. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I was sure I saw him go in a couple of times Sunday...

SF43, I think you're right about Thomas. I would much rather seem him being TOO aggressive than being timid out there. I think he'll be the 3rd WR by the end of the bye week.

[shally]

Any word on Griff? I haven't heard a word about the MRI...

About Kelly, I think we'll see him this weekend alot. I think we was kept out of the game to get an "extra week of rest". He was active and suited up. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I was sure I saw him go in a couple of times Sunday...

SF43, I think you're right about Thomas. I would much rather seem him being TOO aggressive than being timid out there. I think he'll be the 3rd WR by the end of the bye week.

thrash sure looks like he has nothing left as a receiver. he gets zero separation, and has dropped a couple of passes with contact from the defender.. it would be great for thomas to take a full step forward. still, he needs to learn to use his body without putting the teamin a hole with offensive pass interference penalties.. bad enough to not catch the ball, but adding 10 yards is tough to overcome..

kelly ? i dont know about this year. every week it is one step forward, one step back.. got to be frustrating for everyone..

[skinsfan36]

kelly practiced today which is good,now will he be active?

[smoak]

Interesting that Zorn stills prefers Heyer over Jansen........Jansen has been solid the last few games.....But at this point I am going to have to trust Zorn....

It could be a motivational thing... But I really don't get what he is seeing??? Clinton was able to consistently run to that side unil Jansen got back in there... I love Heter, but go with the hot hand.

[smoak]

i have zero confidence that kelly will ever make anything resembling an impact with the Redskins.

[Patrick]

i have zero confidence that kelly will ever make anything resembling an impact with the Redskins.

Hmmmmm ......... can you say Taylor Jacobs .... :rolleyes:

[Fathead]

Wow. 5 games into his rookie year and he's already taylor jacobs.

[Patrick]

Wow. 5 games into his rookie year and he's already taylor jacobs.

Sorry ...... still feeling the effects of a history of lousy #2 draft picks. He starts producing and I'll get over it .... maybe.....

[Fathead]

Lets at least give the guy a season. I'm as dissappointed as anyone in our rookie WRs, but its a little early to give up all hope.

[AliBabba]

Lets at least give the guy a season. I'm as dissappointed as anyone in our rookie WRs, but its a little early to give up all hope.
yep it sure is

[JsMaViSd]

i still feel like this week, our rookies will make a stand.

If both become active, they will produce, this week.

i got a feeling

[cal_junior]

Defensive end Jason Taylor came out for practice in full pads this afternoon and is working out with the defensive line group. But he's not going through a full practice.

Marcus Washington, Reed Doughty and Cornelius Griffin are not practicing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2008/Oct/09/taylor-suits-practice/

[smoak]

Good and bad news.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Good and bad news.

by bad news, i'm assuming you're referring to the fact that we may be without Doughty on Sunday?

[Keino]

by bad news, i'm assuming you're referring to the fact that we may be without Doughty on Sunday?

I am pretty sure he was referring to possibly being without Griffin this Sunday.

Doughty's absence will be addition by subtraction and means that Moore will get into the game in the 3 Safety package. If he plays well, Reed could lose further ground on the depth chart and be relegated to Special Teamer status (as he should).

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I am pretty sure he was referring to possibly being without Griffin this Sunday.

Doughty's absence will be addition by subtraction and means that Moore will get into the game in the 3 Safety package. If he plays well, Reed could lose further ground on the depth chart and be relegated to Special Teamer status (as he should).

I was being sarcastic. We will miss Doughty even less than we miss Washington... which means not at all. Hopefully Griff can play.

[RoanokeSkin]

I am pretty sure he was referring to possibly being without Griffin this Sunday.

Doughty's absence will be addition by subtraction and means that Moore will get into the game in the 3 Safety package. If he plays well, Reed could lose further ground on the depth chart and be relegated to Special Teamer status (as he should).

Amen. Reed Doughty reminds me of the slow white kid from Remember the Titans that got burnt on every pass play. The only difference is that the slow white kid in that movie knew that Petey was a better player and gave him the spot.

[hail2skins]

If he (Taylor) practices fully tomorrow, I see them playing him

[Keino]

Amen. Reed Doughty reminds me of the slow white kid from Remember the Titans that got burnt on every pass play. The only difference is that the slow white kid in that movie knew that Petey was a better player and gave him the spot.

"He's getting beat like he stole something"

[AliBabba]

I am pretty sure he was referring to possibly being without Griffin this Sunday.

Doughty's absence will be addition by subtraction and means that Moore will get into the game in the 3 Safety package. If he plays well, Reed could lose further ground on the depth chart and be relegated to Special Teamer status (as he should).

I was being sarcastic. We will miss Doughty even less than we miss Washington... which means not at all. Hopefully Griff can play.

Amen. Reed Doughty reminds me of the slow white kid from Remember the Titans that got burnt on every pass play. The only difference is that the slow white kid in that movie knew that Petey was a better player and gave him the spot.

"He's getting beat like he stole something"

How original. You guys are Reed Doughty bashing in a thread not about Reed Doughty ;)

(Please dont' glean from these comments that I in any way am a Reed Doughty supporter for our starting D. I am just getting tired of him being hR's personal pinata.)

[Chief Seeway]

That's nice Taylor was in pads - I think he should rest one more week though. Losing Griffin is a bigger concern.

[AliBabba]

That's nice Taylor was in pads - I think he should rest one more week though. Losing Griffin is a bigger concern.
I respectfully disagree about Griffin. He is one guy I would like to see rest and get fully healthy. The Rams o-line stinks. I really want to see more of what our DT rotation sans Griffin is like. I say play the kids and rest Griff until we need him more.

[Chief Seeway]

I respectfully disagree about Griffin. He is one guy I would like to see rest and get fully healthy. The Rams o-line stinks. I really want to see more of what our DT rotation sans Griffin is like. I say play the kids and rest Griff until we need him more.

I'm all about resting both; my point is it's a bigger deal losing Griffin vice Taylor as far as line play goes.

I haven't seen all the games so I would also like to see the younger guys rotate in.

[AliBabba]

I'm all about resting both; my point is it's a bigger deal losing Griffin vice Taylor as far as line play goes.

I haven't seen all the games so I would also like to see the younger guys rotate in.
I like the idea of resting them both but I don't know if Griff's loss at this point is bigger than JT's. Our pass rush has been quite unspectacular the last two games. Griff's been badly banged up and missing plays/games for the a while now. He's still very valuable but his impact is less than Taylor both because of the depth behind him and due to his body's limitation even when "healthy" and active

[Keino]

How original. You guys are Reed Doughty bashing in a thread not about Reed Doughty ;)

(Please dont' glean from these comments that I in any way am a Reed Doughty supporter for our starting D. I am just getting tired of him being hR's personal pinata.)

Well I was simply quoting the Defensive Coach's daughter from "Remember the Titans".

Still, with him out and Moore playing I stand by the addition by subtraction comment.....

[SimplyZ]

Although we are all gonna agree that long-term health is the most important thing for the team, I don't want to start assuming we can be okay w/o Griffin and Taylor. That makes our Dline a lot weaker and the rams best player is a tough guy to tackle, especially if he can get past the Dline with ease.

I don't want to overlook the game so I hope we can get something from our depth. I really hope this doesn't bite us in the ass come sunday.

I'm rooting for a blowout and resting the Offense as well (portis needs it)

[Wild Bore]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2008/Oct/09/taylor-suits-practice/Nothing at all about Springs?

[CamLwalk]

Nothing at all about Springs?

This is from yesterday...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/10/springs_may_miss_practice_toda.html

Springs May Miss Practice Today

Shawn Springs said he may not practice today but expects to be on the field tomorrow and to play Sunday.

Springs, who said he is feeling better and is ready to play again, locked up Anquan Boldin and Terrell Owens, but given his injury I would not be surprised to see Carlos Rogers man up on Tory Holt on Sunday.

In just under two weeks, Braylon Edwards will be the big threat at wide receiver for Cleveland and that could be a Springs matchup. The following game, on the road against the Lions, is likely to mean heavy work for Springs, with Calvin Johnson the prototype for the kind of receiver Springs plays.

[shally]

If he (Taylor) practices fully tomorrow, I see them playing him


i agree.. i dont think he will play the full game, but we will see him certainly in passing situations

[sinskin]

Maybe thats we drafted 2 WR's .. just in case 1 turned out to be Taylor Jacobs evil twin.

[skinsfan36]

good news if he practices tommorow i see him as getting two sacks as a 3rd down edge rusher. alex barron shaking yet?

[greatest2]

3rd down rusher and thats all. at least thats all i want to see, i don't know what the teams does with him.

I am to worried those stitches come out, open up and he gets an infection causeing him to be out for a long long time. 3rd down rusher til those stitches come out in a few weeks.

[shally]

3rd down rusher and thats all. at least thats all i want to see, i don't know what the teams does with him.

I am to worried those stitches come out, open up and he gets an infection causeing him to be out for a long long time. 3rd down rusher til those stitches come out in a few weeks.

i agree with that...

[warpaint]

if they are going to do that, might as well shut him down for the year..

its now appearing to me that putting kelly on i.r.,at the end of training camp would have been a good idea, as of now his spot has been a complete waste.

[warpaint]

The Kelly thing isn't shocking. I was a big fan of Kelly and wanted him for Dallas until right before the draft when reports about him having really bad knees came out. This isn't something really new for him it's just something he's just tried to hide or something, at least from the reports that were linked on the Cowboys board I go to during the couple of weeks leading up to the draft.

Apparently, from what I understand, that is one of the main reasons he fell into the second round was because teams were scared away by his knee issues.

think the slow speed had a lot to do with the fall in the draft, course the 4.6
speed could have been the result of the bad knees.

[Battle Cat]

I like the idea of resting them both but I don't know if Griff's loss at this point is bigger than JT's. Our pass rush has been quite unspectacular the last two games. Griff's been badly banged up and missing plays/games for the a while now. He's still very valuable but his impact is less than Taylor both because of the depth behind him and due to his body's limitation even when "healthy" and active
Actually I think that the loss of Griffen is bigger than Taylor in my opinion. I am actually more worried about a team lining up and running it straight at us than I am with a team coming out and throwing it all around the field. I have seen this defense really struggle in the past without Griffen in there. I think the defense nothing against Taylor is is a great player but the defense have played its best games while he has been out.

[skinsfan36]

i thin k this is the week we see kelly do something that makes us realize hes not a total bust

[bergiemoore]

i thin k this is the week we see kelly do something that makes us realize hes not a total bust

Really?

It's week 6 of his first year, and he's in danger of being a total bust already?

The draft isn't supposed to render immediate results. If a team is such a condition that they are relying on draftees in their first year, it means that either the draftees are incredible, or those teams have no depth. Draft picks, especially receivers and QBs, really shouldn't be evaluated until after their 1st full year, and even then, some will need longer before they come into their own.

[SimplyZ]

Really?

It's week 6 of his first year, and he's in danger of being a total bust already?

The draft isn't supposed to render immediate results. If a team is such a condition that they are relying on draftees in their first year, it means that either the draftees are incredible, or those teams have no depth. Draft picks, especially receivers and QBs, really shouldn't be evaluated until after their 1st full year, and even then, some will need longer before they come into their own.

Everyone can't be Marques Colston

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Great news... Griffin, Springs and Taylor are probable.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Griffin_Probable_For_Rams_Game_24843 .jsp

No news on Kelly though

[greatest2]

Great news... Griffin, Springs and Taylor are probable.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Griffin_Probable_For_Rams_Game_24843 .jsp

No news on Kelly though

had his knee drained.

his knee problem with continue to nag him through this whole season, and hold up his production. our only hope is that he becomes fully healthy next year with no setbacks.

[skinsfan36]

had his knee drained.

his knee problem with continue to nag him through this whole season, and hold up his production. our only hope is that he becomes fully healthy next year with no setbacks.

good point he is really struggling to get on the field.

[smoak]

Great news... Griffin, Springs and Taylor are probable.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Griffin_Probable_For_Rams_Game_24843 .jsp

No news on Kelly though

For the love of Pete... put Kelly on IR and lets move on.

[SimplyZ]

For the love of Pete... put Kelly on IR and lets move on.

I agree its anoying but the medical staff must think its something that can heal during the season.

I do see the frustration though, i don't expect much out of him this season, but maybe Zorn was really hoping to have one of the rooks step up and play opposite Moss at SOME point in the season so ARE can play in the slot.

[shally]

I agree its anoying but the medical staff must think its something that can heal during the season.

I do see the frustration though, i don't expect much out of him this season, but maybe Zorn was really hoping to have one of the rooks step up and play opposite Moss at SOME point in the season so ARE can play in the slot.

agree.. right now it looks like thomas is a lot closer to being productive in our offense compared to kelly

the fact that they have been so patient with kelly leads me to believe they think he can contribute at some point this year.. my guess is that if he doesnt show some improvement by the bye week, he goes on IR.. or, if he has a major setback before then, he goes on IR