Skins sign Shaun Alexander and Ryan Plackemeier

[akhhorus]

Link (http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/14/redskins-turn-to-former-seahawks/)

Why do I suddenly feel the need to go to Starbucks...

[Snarky]

Seahawks East -- to arms! Maybe now we can patent our own 12th Man homage?

[guess88]

At least Plackenmeier has a punters name... might be a good signing... SA.. yeah.

[Snarky]

Confirmations are popping up:

http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=nfl&id=4021

[cal_junior]

Can Plackemeier play safety?

[GreenspanDan]

alexander seems like another tj duckett signing. panic move that is a mistake. at least we're not giving up draft picks this time :/

[Redskin4Life]

Can Plackemeier play safety?
Hahahaahahahaahahahahaahahahaaha... this has to be the line of the day for me. Thanks Cal Jr for that laugh...

[Brit'Skin]

alexander seems like another tj duckett signing. panic move that is a mistake. at least we're not giving up draft picks this time :/

Betts is injured and its a vet minimum deal.

Wheres the problem?

[BurgundyNGold]

yea...

*yawn*

[NCskinsfanatic]

Link (http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/14/redskins-turn-to-former-seahawks/)

Why do I suddenly feel the need to go to Starbucks...

All we need is some grunge rock, acid rain and a space needle lol...

[FanFromArizona]

what did we do with Brooks? IR or release or even PS?

[BurgundyNGold]

what did we do with Brooks? IR or release or even PS?
I believe he is going to be reintroduced back into the wild once there is a viable breeding population.

[PyroGenic]

All we need is some grunge rock, acid rain and a space needle lol...

I'm down with about half of that list

At least people won't be calling for Mason anymore... I hope.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

This is great. I'm super pumped. Alexander better just hold on to the darn ball.

[cal_junior]

2008 stats:

Brooks - 39.6 average
Plackemeier - 40.9 average

It appears we have upgraded the punter position by 1.3 yards per punt.

(Oh, and his net this season is two yards worse than Brooks')

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

what did we do with Brooks? IR or release or even PS?

i hope we IR him. he seems to have potential so briniging him back next TC isn't a bad option, IMO.

As far as Alexander goes, I would rather have Mason. At least he comes cheap.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I'm down with about half of that list

At least people won't be calling for Mason anymore... I hope.

Keep the grunge pass on the rest that about right Pyro?

[InsomniaKiller]

I don't know a thing about the punter, but I really, really hate Shaun Alexander.

[Snarky]

2008 stats:

Brooks - 39.6 average
Plackemeier - 40.9 average

It appears we have upgraded the punter position by 1.3 yards per punt.

(Oh, and his net this season is two yards worse than Brooks')


But give Zorn the benefit of the doubt here. He knows the guy. Plackemeier is a boomer who lost his job due to a preseason injury.

If he sticks, he's young and will be our starter for years.

[AliBabba]

yea...

*yawn*
You think they IR'd Doughty just so they could give Alexander his #? ;) (paris hilton asks)

[Snarky]

As far as Alexander goes, I would rather have Mason. At least he comes cheap.

Vet min for Alexander is about as cheap as you get.

[BurgundyNGold]

You think they IR'd Doughty just so they could give Alexander his #? ;) (paris hilton asks)
Can they do that? If you go on IR, do you lose your number? I doubt it. It would be pretty disrespectful.

Then again, if they had just cut Doughty, they could have reclaimed the number outright. ;)

[cal_junior]

If he sticks, he's young and will be our starter for years.

Let's hope that turns out to be the case.

[BraveHeartFan]

I honestly don't get the Shaun signing. I know Betts is out for like 3 weeks, maybe it's 4, but does this mean that you'll cut Shaun again when betts is back or do you think the plan is to keep them both?

[AliBabba]

Can they do that? If you go on IR, do you lose your number? I doubt it. It would be pretty disrespectful.

Then again, if they had just cut Doughty, they could have reclaimed the number outright. ;)
I highly doubt you can do that but its within the rules ... I mean we're talking about Doughty here

[BurgundyNGold]

I honestly don't get the Shaun signing. I know Betts is out for like 3 weeks, maybe it's 4, but does this mean that you'll cut Shaun again when betts is back or do you think the plan is to keep them both?
Nah, I'm thinking we're carrying 4 RBs for the remainder of the season.

[Moe]

I honestly don't get the Shaun signing. I know Betts is out for like 3 weeks, maybe it's 4, but does this mean that you'll cut Shaun again when betts is back or do you think the plan is to keep them both?

Make one inactive. If Betts or Portis get dinged later on, Rock fills in-game and Alexander is activated as needed.

[AliBabba]

I honestly don't get the Shaun signing. I know Betts is out for like 3 weeks, maybe it's 4, but does this mean that you'll cut Shaun again when betts is back or do you think the plan is to keep them both?
you could keep him or you could let Alexander go then if he's not been effective

we lose nothing in this deal but a vet min contract prorated to 10 games

[BurgundyNGold]

I highly doubt you can do that but its within the rules ... I mean we're talking about Doughty here
True. Maybe we could give SA his locker too, lol.

[AliBabba]

True. Maybe we could give SA his locker too, lol.
move his locker to the basement and ask him if he can try to do something about the rodent problem .... then take his stapler

[BraveHeartFan]

you could keep him or you could let Alexander go then if he's not been effective

we lose nothing in this deal but a vet min contract prorated to 10 games

True. I don't think the Skins lose anything, I'm not saying that, I just didn't really understand the need for it with the guys you guys have. I mean I like Rock and what happened to that Mason kid from the preseason? Is he on the PS or did he get cut?

I just figured this might be the time to get him a few looks and see what he could do for you in the regular season.

[FanFromArizona]

Apparently we also signed a safety too......

and YES!


Redskins | Doughty to be placed on IR
Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:24:46 -0700

Barry Svrluga, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins will place SS Reed Doughty (back) on Injured Reserve, according to free-agent FS Justin Hamilton (Redskins).



Reed Doughty to IR (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl)

[BurgundyNGold]

move his locker to the basement and ask him if he can try to do something about the rodent problem .... then take his stapler
LMAO!

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/rsoc_en-prod-photos/5/a/e/6/1/5ae6166d8ac19b82a8980d8493b08eb0.jpg/?size=400x400&site=rsoc_en&wm_add=&quality=100&stmp=1213977897

[Keino]

move his locker to the basement and ask him if he can try to do something about the rodent problem .... then take his stapler

LMAO. That may be the final straw!!!

New sig inspired by today's activity.

[AliBabba]

True. I don't think the Skins lose anything, I'm not saying that, I just didn't really understand the need for it with the guys you guys have. I mean I like Rock and what happened to that Mason kid from the preseason? Is he on the PS or did he get cut?

I just figured this might be the time to get him a few looks and see what he could do for you in the regular season.

sore subject, lol

He's on the Baltimore PS, he elected to go to their's over ours for a better opportunity to play

[CNYSkinFan]

LMAO. That may be the final straw!!!

New sig inspired by today's activity.
Keino is officially on the Kurt Cobain suicide watch list

[akhhorus]

sore subject, lol

He's on the Baltimore PS, he elected to go to their's over ours for a better opportunity to play

I realize I might be pilloried for this, but is Mason Canadian or something? ;)

[SkinsfaninNJ]

move his locker to the basement and ask him if he can try to do something about the rodent problem .... then take his stapler

Did you know that guy was a MLB player?

[skinfan43]

Revenge Of The Er's.

(That's how interested I am in these signings...and I'll only take notice if they show a noticeable resurgence with the Skins, otherwise they'll both be gone before the bye IMO)

[BurgundyNGold]

Keino is officially on the Kurt Cobain suicide watch list
He shouldn't be. Someone would care if Keino offed himself.

[BSMKF]

If Alexander can some how regain form are run game will be even more nasty then what it is already

[AliBabba]

Did you know that guy was a MLB player?
??

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm on the fence about Alexander. He obviously was a talent at one point, but at the same time, I think he might have vagine. I'm also worried about what kind of shape he's in.

If anything, he's only effective going north and south, so they should only call those plays for him.

[Keino]

Alexander Sucks Donkey Dung.

I have a link confirming it Right here. (www.alexandersucksdonkeydung.com)

[Ibleedburgundy]

ugh. This whole thing wreaks of Jaquez Green to me. At least Alexander is cheap but last time I saw him run he looked done with football.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Take THAT dallas! In your face!!

[silverspring]

i wonder if one of the reasons zorn went with alexander instead of mason is because he wanted a better pass catcher?

Anyways i hope alexander rarely sees the field and is cut by the bye week.

[AliBabba]

i wonder if one of the reasons zorn went with alexander instead of mason is because he wanted a better pass catcher?

Anyways i hope alexander rarely sees the field and is cut by the bye week.
he wasn't a great receiver out of the backfield if i remember correctly. if he was i don't remember him being used as such very often

[Ibleedburgundy]

he wasn't a great receiver out of the backfield if i remember correctly. if he was i don't remember him being used as such very often

He did have 59 receptions one year but in the later years he had a lot fewer.

After looking over his career stats I guess I feel a little better about this. He's only 31 and until the last two years he was very durable. Hopefully he has somthing left in the tank.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=2150

[shally]

Link (http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/14/redskins-turn-to-former-seahawks/)

Why do I suddenly feel the need to go to Starbucks...

our season is SAVED !!

first the ramskins

then the jets skins

now the sea-skins

[akhhorus]

our season is SAVED !!

first the ramskins

then the jets skins

now the sea-skins

And GatorSkins.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Ugh....now I have to support him.

Again, THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT FENT!!! :p

[syphy]

All we need is some grunge rock, acid and a space needle lol...


fixed that for ya.

[shally]

fixed that for ya.


lots of rain.... lots of coffee...

[shally]

And GatorSkins.

i had mercifully blocked that out.... now thanks to you i am having flashbacks....PTSD !!!!!

[jaylen]

the worse by Far was the gatorskins the idea that Spurrier thought that Shane Matthews and the Gloved One could be starting NFL quarterbacks gives me the chills.

I don't like this Alexander signing. Soft football players really bother me.

[SimplyZ]

I just wish Alexander wasn't so poor at pass blocking. I don't want him running the ball (I want portis to) but if he were able to fill in on 3rd downs that would help the team a lot (and portis would get rest)

[The_Sonny_Of_Sammy]

This is great. I'm super pumped. Alexander better just hold on to the darn ball.
Tips from the man himself:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pz0BCtyTiU

[akhhorus]

i had mercifully blocked that out.... now thanks to you i am having flashbacks....PTSD !!!!!

I hope you don't get psychogenic myoclonus lol

[shally]

I hope you don't get psychogenic myoclonus lol


more likely gastric ulceratus...

[skinfan43]

Or these:

http://fliiby.com/images/_original/ze9p1zmduv.gif

[shally]

Or these:

http://fliiby.com/images/_original/ze9p1zmduv.gif

was the mike green signing announced here yet ?

that could end up being very significant. wasnt he a part of the bears superbowl team ?

[Stretch]

Can some of you locals to FedEx field sneak in there tonight and wire up an invisible fence? That way part of SA's uniform can be a shock helmet and as he approaches the ever-loving sideline, we'll shock him back into running North and South.

K THX, BYE

Stretch

[SimplyZ]

was the mike green signing announced here yet ?

that could end up being very significant. wasnt he a part of the bears superbowl team ?

I think its been mentioned

I like that he's a veteran but hes played sparingly the past few years. I don't know HOW significant it can be, but I agree there is some promise to the signing

[LATrueRedskin]

Not sure how much Alexander can contribute right away, but hopefully we found a punter who can help us in the field position game. I don't want to give up on Durant Brooks just yet (i.e. cut him completely), but we desperately need some help on special teams.

[guess88]

Meh... I guess the SA signing was inevitable. At least he's just a back up. I hope we rotate Portis less often now too.

[WarEagle]

I think its been mentioned

I like that he's a veteran but hes played sparingly the past few years. I don't know HOW significant it can be, but I agree there is some promise to the signing

On Mike Green, Zorn mentioned that he's completely rehabed and ready to go. He's been beat-up the past couple seasons. Achilles problem I think.
Interesting that Coach went after and hired 3 former S-hawks. The FO is letting him buy the groceries, and that's pretty neat. If Zorn is convinced that these guys have some game in 'em, then that's good enough for me.

[Keino]

I see nothing "neat" about it.

[AliBabba]

I see nothing "neat" about it.
how do you really feel about this Keino?

[Keino]

how do you really feel about this Keino?

I HATE it. Shaun Alexander is a bum. Nobody wanted him in 3 cities whose football teams had a much greater need than we had. I don't care about Vet Minimum, the ability to cut him if he sucks (and he does) or any of that. I hate that Shaun Alexander is a Washington Redskin. I've not seen a softer RB in my lifetime.

I will not Support him. I don't want him on the field for us. I want him to pull a muscle and get released, tomorrow.

In case anyone is wondering where I stand on the issue, Shaun Alexander Sucks and I'd much rather Betts was healthy. We should have made a play for Marcus Mason and I will not yield to Zorn's knowledge on this point. I vehemently disagree with this decision.

[ihatedallas]

I like the Mike Green signing... Blache used to be with him in Chicago, whether he was a Dline coach or not...makes me think Blache is continuing to tinker with his deployments of the safety positions..another piece to play with.

[Lavar703]

Take THAT dallas! In your face!!

I dont know why but this is like the funniest thing i have read all day

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I don't think the world is coming to an end. Shaun Alexander is now a Redskin, and has my support just for being one.

[CNYSkinFan]

I HATE it. Shaun Alexander is a bum. Nobody wanted him in 3 cities whose football teams had a much greater need than we had. I don't care about Vet Minimum, the ability to cut him if he sucks (and he does) or any of that. I hate that Shaun Alexander is a Washington Redskin. I've not seen a softer RB in my lifetime.

I will not Support him. I don't want him on the field for us. I want him to pull a muscle and get released, tomorrow.

In case anyone is wondering where I stand on the issue, Shaun Alexander Sucks and I'd much rather Betts was healthy. We should have made a play for Marcus Mason and I will not yield to Zorn's knowledge on this point. I vehemently disagree with this decision.
so no Alexander jersey for christmas?

[Keino]

so no Alexander jersey for christmas?

I might buy a 37 Reed Doughty just to be spiteful. I told Rich this on the phone today.....

[Keino]

I don't think the world is coming to an end. Shaun Alexander is now a Redskin, and has my support just for being one.

I don't support grown men who play like (rhymes with witches).

Edit: While Im hatin' let me go ahead and hate on Larry Michael and Rebecca Mejia. They suck too...

[smoak]

I'm shutting up about SA and hoping for the best. Hopefully the embarrassment of not being signed leaves him with a chip on his shoulder and a part time role makes him more effective. Go Skins!!

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I don't support grown men who play like (rhymes with witches).

Edit: While Im hatin' let me go ahead and hate on Larry Michael and Rebecca Mejia. They suck too...
I respect your point of view, but will you cheer for the cowboys when we play against them and Alexander is in the backfield? Or if by some miracle he gets to the endzone, will you be upset?

[Keino]

Is that a serious question?

[Chief Redskin]

Why all the hating on Alexander??? We don't lose anything by signing a guy to a vet min contract.

Sure his physical skills have deteriorated, but he is rested and could fill-in nicely while Betts is sidelined. Not to mention, he knows Stump and Zorn. He may have some success running behind the Redskins O-Line.

[Keino]

Because he runs soft, avoids contact like the plague, he is not in football shape and he sucks.

That's why I am hating on this. We would have been better off tapping Mason from the Baltimore practice squad or at least forcing them to activate him...

[shally]

I like the Mike Green signing... Blache used to be with him in Chicago, whether he was a Dline coach or not...makes me think Blache is continuing to tinker with his deployments of the safety positions..another piece to play with.

mike green and mike brown were once a very solid safety combo.. if he has any left that will provide a savvy veteran to add to the mix

[shally]

Because he runs soft, avoids contact like the plague, he is not in football shape and he sucks.

That's why I am hating on this. We would have been better off tapping Mason from the Baltimore practice squad or at least forcing them to activate him...

so did OJ Anderson while he was a cardinal before he became a giant..

[Chief Redskin]

Because he runs soft, avoids contact like the plague, he is not in football shape and he sucks.

That's why I am hating on this. We would have been better off tapping Mason from the Baltimore practice squad or at least forcing them to activate him...

Well we only need him to carry the ball 4-6 times a game for a couple weeks. I agree he was soft after losing Hutchinson, Tobeck, and Mack Strong. However, he is rested and I think he can carry the ball successfully 4-6 times a game behind the Redskins line. Besides Betts will be back in 2-4.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Because he runs soft, avoids contact like the plague, he is not in football shape and he sucks.

That's why I am hating on this. We would have been better off tapping Mason from the Baltimore practice squad or at least forcing them to activate him...

We did get a change of pace back we both hoped for. Our starter initiates contact. Our back-up avoids it.:D

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Because he runs soft, avoids contact like the plague, he is not in football shape and he sucks.

That's why I am hating on this. We would have been better off tapping Mason from the Baltimore practice squad or at least forcing them to activate him...

I'm just wondering what do you exactly mean by not support Alexander now that he is part of the team.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

As Akh mentioned earlier, if we would have signed Mason we would have to cut him later on since he would become inelegible for PS. That or cut Betts or Rock

[Keino]

so did OJ Anderson while he was a cardinal before he became a giant..

OJ Anderson NEVER ran soft. Never. He gave us fits as a Cardinal and a Giant. That argument may work on someone too young to remember watching Otis Anderson.

[smoak]

Why all the hating on Alexander??? We don't lose anything by signing a guy to a vet min contract.

Sure his physical skills have deteriorated, but he is rested and could fill-in nicely while Betts is sidelined. Not to mention, he knows Stump and Zorn. He may have some success running behind the Redskins O-Line.

That is why I am cool with it. Its low risk.

[Keino]

As Akh mentioned earlier, if we would have signed Mason we would have to cut him later on since he would become inelegible for PS. That or cut Betts or Rock

Or Carry 4 RBs as Zorn has suggested we might do when Betts comes back.



I'm just wondering what do you exactly mean by not support Alexander now that he is part of the team.

To the extent that you will wonder if I will cheer for Dallas? I find the question beneath me and not worthy of response. I don't support Alexander being on this team. I don't support him being on the field in Burgundy and Gold and I certainly don't support his style of play.

[Keino]

That is why I am cool with it. Its low risk.

It is also low reward.

[AliBabba]

It is also low reward.
You realize if he does well you will have to eat a Guiness Book size crow pie now? lol

While I would have also preferred Mason b/c of his upside I can't say I am disappointed in this low risk move. He will have to be motivated as he's a guy who's fighting for his career. While the idea of having somebody who's "soft batch cookie dough" soft doesn't appeal to me at all either, I know that at some point he has capable of great things and if he can show anything at in place of Betts the next few weeks the move was worth it.

[Keino]

You realize if he does well you will have to eat a Guiness Book size crow pie now? lol

I believe I was as pissed about the Coles for Moss trade and had no problem eating crow on that. However, in this case, I have a feeling I will be serving it and I won't take any pleasure in that.

While I would have also preferred Mason b/c of his upside I can't say I am disappointed in this low risk move. He will have to be motivated as he's a guy who's fighting for his career. While the idea of having somebody who's "soft batch cookie dough" soft doesn't appeal to me at all either, I know that at some point he has capable of great things and if he can show anything at in place of Betts the next few weeks the move was worth it.

What makes you think he is capable of great things? It's been 3 seasons since he has been a productive back in the league.

[CarMike]

I have to go with Keino on this issue. Can't stand this move. Doesn't make much sense. The ONLY reason we signed him 'cause his ex-coach is now our HC. If Zorn is not our HC, Alexander is still unemployed.

[AliBabba]

I believe I was as pissed about the Coles for Moss trade and had no problem eating crow on that. However, in this case, I have a feeling I will be serving it and I won't take any pleasure in that.



What makes you think he is capable of great things? It's been 3 seasons since he has been a productive back in the league.
I don't think he necessarily is capable of these things, I said at one time he was or "has" because my typing sucks right now. However, imo there weren't so many great options out there right now and while I like Mason's upside I don't think this is a guaranteed epic fail either.

This guy's fighting for a chance at a final contract. If he can make any impact within the limited role he'll have for us it would help the team. Since I have such expectations for them any help we can get ....

[AliBabba]

I have to go with Keino on this issue. Can't stand this move. Doesn't make much sense. The ONLY reason we signed him 'cause his ex-coach is now our HC. If Zorn is not our HC, Alexander is still unemployed.
... and if he's garbage he'll be right back in line at unemployment.

I just fail to see how this can hurt the team. We need somebody to at least eat some carries up because Portis is getting 22.7 a game. He's on pace for 360+ and we certainly can't have that going up while Betts is out.

I think Keino to a large extent hoped that a guy like Mason could break out an ultimately relieve Betts (Portis lite, Portis*0.8, Portis Jr, etc) of his job permanently.

[Keino]

It's more than that Ali. Betts needs to be upgraded and his injury coupled withs some other factors provided the opportunity and with Oakland dangling Bush and Mason showing promise in pre-season here and with Alexander being a scrub, I cannot support, in any way, shape or form signing this guy.

Everyone seems to sweep the fact that the Saints chose to go with Pierre Thomas instead of Alexander under the rug. Or that the Bengals chose to sign CEDRIC effing BENSON instead of Alexander and Alexander represented the same low level of risk for those teams as he did for us. Only those teams were smart enough (and I am now using the term "smart" in reference to the Saints and Bengals) to recognize the low reward caveat.....

[WarEagle]

I have to go with Keino on this issue. Can't stand this move. Doesn't make much sense. The ONLY reason we signed him 'cause his ex-coach is now our HC. If Zorn is not our HC, Alexander is still unemployed.

Looks like a sweetheart deal, sure. But Zorn is giving him a chance and I'm excited to see how he performs. I've never seen a back go from MVP to Palookaville with such blinding speed.

[AliBabba]

It's more than that Ali. Betts needs to be upgraded and his injury coupled withs some other factors provided the opportunity and with Oakland dangling Bush and Mason showing promise in pre-season here and with Alexander being a scrub, I cannot support, in any way, shape or form signing this guy.

Actually, I realize that the missed opportunity to upgrade Betts, rather than find a temporary replacement, for him is something that bothers you a lot. However, imo, giving away a draft pick for Bush makes zero sense. I loved him at Louisville but there's real risk there and that not worth it to this team. We have the league's leading rusher and some serious age issues on both lines. We need our draft picks to shore up positions where we don't have the league's best player. As for Mason, I agree with you there. As I've said I'd rather they brought him in and kept 4 RBs all season. I mean the Gints have 5 at least.

Everyone seems to sweep the fact that the Saints chose to go with Pierre Thomas instead of Alexander under the rug. Or that the Bengals chose to sign CEDRIC effing BENSON instead of Alexander and Alexander represented the same low level of risk for those teams as he did for us. Only those teams were smart enough (and I am now using the term "smart" in reference to the Saints and Bengals) to recognize the low reward caveat.....

I don't think the because Cincy and NO are on the same page with you that they are all of a sudden "smart." In addition their situations were different. NO already had Pierre Thomas in house and think a lot of him. Cincy was not looking for a 2-4 week plug-in. They need somebody to challenge Chris Perry and his fumbilitis. They have no future at RB if he continues his 2.6ypc and fumble a game pace.

[shally]

Actually, I realize that the missed opportunity to upgrade Betts, rather than find a temporary replacement, for him is something that bothers you a lot. However, imo, giving away a draft pick for Bush makes zero sense. I loved him at Louisville but there's real risk there and that not worth it to this team. We have the league's leading rusher and some serious age issues on both lines. We need our draft picks to shore up positions where we don't have the league's best player. As for Mason, I agree with you there. As I've said I'd rather they brought him in and kept 4 RBs all season. I mean the Gints have 5 at least.



I don't think the because Cincy and NO are on the same page with you that they are all of a sudden "smart." In addition their situations were different. NO already had Pierre Thomas in house and think a lot of him. Cincy was not looking for a 2-4 week plug-in. They need somebody to challenge Chris Perry and his fumbilitis. They have no future at RB if he continues his 2.6ypc and fumble a game pace.

bengals are so incredibly incompetent that i would take passing on SA to sign Benson (who is a drunk and poison as a teammate) as a high complement

the worst we have with SA is the final season of franco harris.. could do worse than that..

[csquared]

I don't think the because Cincy and NO are on the same page with you that they are all of a sudden "smart." In addition their situations were different. NO already had Pierre Thomas in house and think a lot of him. Cincy was not looking for a 2-4 week plug-in. They need somebody to challenge Chris Perry and his fumbilitis. They have no future at RB if he continues his 2.6ypc and fumble a game pace.

This whole paragraph is the one that keeps getting ignored.

[shally]

This whole paragraph is the one that keeps getting ignored.


cincy has no future all together.. not with brown running the front office...

[MadDog97]

so did OJ Anderson while he was a cardinal before he became a giant..

I think Shaun Alexander was told in no uncertain terms he is a temporary solution. I think the Skins feel Betts may be out for a while so he is just quick insurance.

I feel the East actually looks better for us. The Rams game was a wake up call, The Giants looked tired, and Dallas is imploding. Patience is the order of the day, but the Browns game just became critical and more interesting.

[AliBabba]

Keino, I guess this won't make you feel any better but apparently Oakland's asking price for Bush wasn't astronomical.

The deal reportedly would have involved a second-day draft pick.

LINK (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/14/bolts-nearly-bagged-bush/)

I wouldn't have traded any pick for a RB though.

[guess88]

Keino, I guess this won't make you feel any better but apparently Oakland's asking price for Bush wasn't astronomical.


LINK (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/14/bolts-nearly-bagged-bush/)

I wouldn't have traded any pick for a RB though.

Really? I'm sure we should be able to draft one if need be, but something like a 5th round pick seems worth it for Bush. He's put up solid numbers when he's played... just hard to crack the starting line up with McFadden and Fargas. 4th round I'd debate.. but 5-7th... I'd take him in a heartbeat.

[AliBabba]

Really? I'm sure we should be able to draft one if need be, but something like a 5th round pick seems worth it for Bush. He's put up solid numbers when he's played... just hard to crack the starting line up with McFadden and Fargas. 4th round I'd debate.. but 5-7th... I'd take him in a heartbeat.
He was a man when he played at Louisville. I agree that he's likely worth far more than a 5th rounder but he's had a pretty serious injury too. A second day pick could also mean a 3rd rounder as well.

[Keino]

Keino, I guess this won't make you feel any better but apparently Oakland's asking price for Bush wasn't astronomical.


LINK (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/14/bolts-nearly-bagged-bush/)

I wouldn't have traded any pick for a RB though.

Ali, c'mon man. You can't become a draft pick zealot. A 2nd day pick for Bush, you have to pull the trigger on that.

Yea it pisses me off, because it seems to me that our front office didn't even make an inquiry. Probably too busy working on the radio show to think about perhaps adding a long-term upgrade to the back-up RB who would be pretty inexpensive and is currently in football shape posting decent numbers.

[AliBabba]

Ali, c'mon man. You can't become a draft pick zealot. A 2nd day pick for Bush, you have to pull the trigger on that.

Yea it pisses me off, because it seems to me that our front office didn't even make an inquiry. Probably too busy working on the radio show to think about perhaps adding a long-term upgrade to the back-up RB who would be pretty inexpensive and is currently in football shape posting decent numbers.
Saying I wouldn't trade any pick for an RB may be too much. But as I said, a 3rd rounder is a 2nd day pick and we can't afford to give something like that up for a position like RB when we have such glaring holes elsewhere. Draft pick zealot or not I think most would have to agree that pick would be best served addressing line depth or replacing MW at OLB.

I will admit, landing somebody like Bush for a 5th would be a bargain if he stayed healthy.

[colkurtz]

Shaun Alexander could be a a very short-term solution. I think they just wanted someone who knew the system. If he fumbles or plays soft, they'll just play Rock and dump him in 2-4 weeks. If he recovers to his former level and plays tough, then he can stay.

Obviously, Marcus Mason didn't impress Zorn / Cerrato for now or the future.

[skinsfan36]

grunge rock is awesome lol. anyways i really liek the green signing as he is a vetrean safety who can play. the alexander signing we could do alot worse,i think he may actually surprise us and do something of signifagance like break a 25 yd run lol. plackenmier has talent but im not going to commnet and say we have a punter now(said that with brooks)

[shally]

grunge rock is awesome lol. anyways i really liek the green signing as he is a vetrean safety who can play. the alexander signing we could do alot worse,i think he may actually surprise us and do something of signifagance like break a 25 yd run lol. plackenmier has talent but im not going to commnet and say we have a punter now(said that with brooks)

well. we have another young punter.. albeit, one with experience.. this could work out okay.. or we could be drafting another punter next year .................................................. ..................jk...

[shally]

Shaun Alexander could be a a very short-term solution. I think they just wanted someone who knew the system. If he fumbles or plays soft, they'll just play Rock and dump him in 2-4 weeks. If he recovers to his former level and plays tough, then he can stay.

Obviously, Marcus Mason didn't impress Zorn / Cerrato for now or the future.

i think that mason was a clear plan B--- if SA didnt have anything left

[guess88]

He was a man when he played at Louisville. I agree that he's likely worth far more than a 5th rounder but he's had a pretty serious injury too. A second day pick could also mean a 3rd rounder as well.

yeah.. I wouldn't give a 3rd or 4th simply cause we have other pressing needs. Now if Betts were out for the season, this would be an entirely different debate, but he's just a place holder for Betts (of course, you never know what'll happen in the nfl when someone's just a "place holder") But yeah... I doubt Al Davis would give him up for a 5th. But then.. he is Al Davis.

[shally]

yeah.. I wouldn't give a 3rd or 4th simply cause we have other pressing needs. Now if Betts were out for the season, this would be an entirely different debate, but he's just a place holder for Betts (of course, you never know what'll happen in the nfl when someone's just a "place holder") But yeah... I doubt Al Davis would give him up for a 5th. But then.. he is Al Davis.

i think betts will be out longer than anyone anticipated.. just a hunch here..

[guess88]

i think betts will be out longer than anyone anticipated.. just a hunch here..

I certainly hope not, but I don't doubt it either. I bet 5-6 weeks. Hope I'm wrong.

[bigcmr]

Ali, c'mon man. You can't become a draft pick zealot. A 2nd day pick for Bush, you have to pull the trigger on that.

Yea it pisses me off, because it seems to me that our front office didn't even make an inquiry. Probably too busy working on the radio show to think about perhaps adding a long-term upgrade to the back-up RB who would be pretty inexpensive and is currently in football shape posting decent numbers.

Why would you wanna trade for a RB? makes no sense at all. last I checked we go into the draft with only 4 picks. Why burn a pick on a RB when Portis and Betts are under contract next year? All I have to say is T.J. Duckett. Enough said

Alexander comes cheap no picks involved. How do we loose? specially if Betts is only down for few weeks.

Good job FO for not panicing like in years past.

[bigcmr]

Really? I'm sure we should be able to draft one if need be, but something like a 5th round pick seems worth it for Bush. He's put up solid numbers when he's played... just hard to crack the starting line up with McFadden and Fargas. Th round I'd debate.. but 5-7th... I'd take him in a heartbeat.

No more trading picks specially not for a RB. Remember the TJ Duckett deal? And back then everyone on this board was all over that deal look how that turned out.

[smoak]

This whole paragraph is the one that keeps getting ignored.

Ugh. Can you please find a picture of SA in the burgundy and gold... Not a fan of the Shemales at all.

[dukeuch]

Shaun Alexander could be a a very short-term solution. I think they just wanted someone who knew the system. If he fumbles or plays soft, they'll just play Rock and dump him in 2-4 weeks. If he recovers to his former level and plays tough, then he can stay.

Obviously, Marcus Mason didn't impress Zorn / Cerrato for now or the future.

Agree. Lots of folks here think ALexander is soft. I don't agree there, and think his last couple of years playing with injuries are not representative. He may be out of gas, but I don't think so. What's the downside? He does not work out, Rock fills in, and eventually Betts is back. Why give up picks?

[smoak]

It is also low reward.

I don't think so... If we were replacing Portis, I would be 111% in your camp. We're talking about ~ 5 carries per game (and I hope Rock syphons some of that). SA isn't the end of the world unless we lose CP.

[Keino]

Why would you wanna trade for a RB? makes no sense at all. last I checked we go into the draft with only 4 picks. Why burn a pick on a RB when Portis and Betts are under contract next year? All I have to say is T.J. Duckett. Enough said

Alexander comes cheap no picks involved. How do we loose? specially if Betts is only down for few weeks.

Good job FO for not panicing like in years past.

Because Michael Bush is a stud. He is no TJ DUckett and I think Betts' injury is way more serious than anyone is letting on and I don't think there is a chance in hell he is back in 4 weeks. I also have thought for a long time that we can upgrade Betts and Bush would represent such an upgrade. It makes perfect sense once you sever the emotional attachment to Betts.

Alexander is a Washed up Bum who I shall from here on out refer to as "Keebler" as in Soft Batch Cookies. I hate signing Keebler when we had a young guy with upside who is sitting on the Raven Practice squad, knows our coaches and playbook and is already in football shape that we didn't make a play for.

[csquared]

I don't think so... If we were replacing Portis, I would be 111% in your camp. We're talking about ~ 5 carries per game (and I hope Rock syphons some of that). SA isn't the end of the world unless we lose CP.

Holy Hell put on your seatbelts because myself and Smoak agree!....




Sorry about the avatar hopefully it will be changed in a week.lol

[hail2skins]

I don't see the gain in getting Plackemeier and letting Brooks go. Brooks was averaging 39.6 (40) yards and Plackemeier was averaging 40.9 (41) yards.

[Keino]

While you may expect to only give your back-up 5-7 carries per game, he is one play away from carrying a much more significant load. To not plan for that as a possible contingency is stupid and short-sighted.

Furthermore it is likely to take Keebler a few weeks before he can even contribute his 5-7 carries. In the meantime, we are stuck with Rock and Betts is expected to only be out a few weeks. Why does this make sense again? Because it's cheap?

[AliBabba]

While you may expect to only give your back-up 5-7 carries per game, he is one play away from carrying a much more significant load. To not plan for that as a possible contingency is stupid and short-sighted.

Furthermore it is likely to take Keebler a few weeks before he can even contribute his 5-7 carries. In the meantime, we are stuck with Rock and Betts is expected to only be out a few weeks. Why does this make sense again? Because it's cheap?
While I am not convinced that this is the same system that Alexander's played in before, I don't think this is accurate at all.

There's no way its going to be weeks before Keebler plays. I bet he's on the field Sunday. If he's not there is zero doubt he plays against the Lions.

Your point about a situation where the backup becomes the starter (I refuse to get any more specific than that) is valid but in that situation we would undoubtedly grab Mason or somebody else. I don't think that unlikely event woudl have warranted trading picks for Bush though. Also, I suspect if Bush could have been had for as little as a 5th he would not be putting on silver and black today.

[Moe]

Because Michael Bush is a stud.

I like the idea of countering Portis with a big back and Bush, in my limited viewings of him looks like an interesting player, but 'stud' is pretty ambitious especially in light of the fact that he isn't getting looks on a horrific team. Now I realize that the Raiders often eschew a plane over taking the short bus to most games, but it begs the question why some of these other teams with running back issues didn't show any interest in Bush.

[Keino]

While I am not convinced that this is the same system that Alexander's played in before, I don't think this is accurate at all.

There's no way its going to be weeks before Keebler plays. I bet he's on the field Sunday. If he's not there is zero doubt he plays against the Lions.

Your point about a situation where the backup becomes the starter (I refuse to get any more specific than that) is valid but in that situation we would undoubtedly grab Mason or somebody else. I don't think that unlikely event woudl have warranted trading picks for Bush though. Also, I suspect if Bush could have been had for as little as a 5th he would not be putting on silver and black today.

What makes you so sure? (On both points)

Bush was about to be traded (for who knows what in 2nd day pick compensation) until the morons realized they were about to trade within the division. I bet we didn't even bother with an inquiry. We can disagree about what would be appropriate compensation (as I would gladly give a 3rd or a 4th for a talent like Bush), it is the lack of any inquiry (which I admit is a huge assumption on my part) that pisses me off.

[Keino]

I like the idea of countering Portis with a big back and Bush, in my limited viewings of him looks like an interesting player, but 'stud' is pretty ambitious especially in light of the fact that he isn't getting looks on a horrific team. Now I realize that the Raiders often eschew a plane over taking the short bus to most games, but it begs the question why some of these other teams with running back issues didn't show any interest in Bush.

But he is getting looks on an awful team and he is performing well, in not the best of situations. I will grant that 'Stud' is ambitious, but I watched this kid play a lot in college and I am convinced that he has "stud" potential.

[AliBabba]

I like the idea of countering Portis with a big back and Bush, in my limited viewings of him looks like an interesting player, but 'stud' is pretty ambitious especially in light of the fact that he isn't getting looks on a horrific team. Now I realize that the Raiders often eschew a plane over taking the short bus to most games, but it begs the question why some of these other teams with running back issues didn't show any interest in Bush.
I suspect the leg injury and his nagging injuries this year played a large part ...

[AliBabba]

What makes you so sure? (On both points)

The point to this move was to have a plug-in during Betts' absence. I suspect that has something to do with why Mason and S.A. were considered but not Bush. Keebler and Mason were choices that the staff felt they could get on the field quickly. Mason because he actually knows this system and Keebler because he is likely familiar with aspects of our run game but his relationships with Zorn/Mitchell will help him to learn more quickly and them to trust he understands more quickly as well. Basically they likely felt he was capable of picking this up very quickly or else they'd have added Mason

[BurgundyNGold]

But he is getting looks on an awful team and he is performing well, in not the best of situations. I will grant that 'Stud' is ambitious, but I watched this kid play a lot in college and I am convinced that he has "stud" potential.
Honestly, I always thought that, when everything was said and done, Michael might be the Bush to have a bigger impact as a RB in the NFL.

[Keino]

Well I will take a page out of the Gibbs II playbook and pray for the health of our main man, Clinton Portis.

[smoak]

Holy Hell put on your seatbelts because myself and Smoak agree!....




Sorry about the avatar hopefully it will be changed in a week.lol

God I hope so b/c I can't spell "nauseating", but I just threw up a little in my mouth. I hate all things Seahawk after the two playoff losses and the way their fans acted. Outside of the NFC East, there is probably no team I dislike more?

And just to reiterate, I shift to Keino's camp if we need RB # 2 to play a significant roll in the offense. Otherwise, I'm willing to give this experiment a pass. Since I trust Zorn and like the direction the team is going, I'll give Zorn the same benefit of the doubt I gave Gibbs. Plus I despise giving up picks.

That said, I am going to do another flip (classic me) and say that I read where Bush was reportedly almost had for a second day pick but Oakland didn't want to trade within the division... If true (didn't bother to research), the I would have floated a fifth or fourth rounder for him... My aversion is skewed much more to trading away picks in the first three rounds.

[Keino]

http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.com/image/A1570/157084/300_157084.jpg

[smoak]

I don't see the gain in getting Plackemeier and letting Brooks go. Brooks was averaging 39.6 (40) yards and Plackemeier was averaging 40.9 (41) yards.

I agree. Brooks was terrible and I was hoping they would put him on IR, but if you are going to cut the kid, why bring in a guy who is statistically worse??? Oh wait... He is familiar with the offense, reight? :rolleyes:

As eveil spirited as people were about Frost, cutting him (at least for Brooks) was a mistake.

[csquared]

http://holamun2.com/files/images/mun2-images/freejoles/stop-sippin-haterade.gif

[CNYSkinFan]

I don't see the gain in getting Plackemeier and letting Brooks go. Brooks was averaging 39.6 (40) yards and Plackemeier was averaging 40.9 (41) yards.
could be a consistency thing. I much rather get a punter who gives me 40 yards every time then a Punter who wildly goes from 30-50 and is un predictable either outkicking your coverage when long or ashanking at bad times in the game.

[Keino]

http://holamun2.com/files/images/mun2-images/freejoles/stop-sippin-haterade.gif

I am not Sippin', I am taking Huge Gulps.

Keebler sucks.

[CNYSkinFan]

I am not Sippin', I am taking Huge Gulps.

Keebler sucks.
I respect keino's vehemence...I was the same way when we got Duckett

[culpeper]

if there was a "BARF" smiley on here.....this is where i would put it [ ]

the FO just love to test chemistry whenever they get the chance. the guy is washed up. you cant form any feasible arguement that he is better than marcus mason could be for us right now. no time to get up to speed and should have made the team anyway. we should have dumped tryon and brought in mason for the rest of the year...

someone pass the haterade....

[Lavar703]

if there was a "BARF" smiley on here.....this is where i would put it [ ]

the FO just love to test chemistry whenever they get the chance. the guy is washed up. you cant form any feasible arguement that he is better than marcus mason could be for us right now. no time to get up to speed and should have made the team anyway. we should have dumped tryon and brought in mason for the rest of the year...

someone pass the haterade....

Lemme guess, you were on the Lumsden train too, right?

[Keino]

I like the idea of countering Portis with a big back and Bush, in my limited viewings of him looks like an interesting player, but 'stud' is pretty ambitious especially in light of the fact that he isn't getting looks on a horrific team. Now I realize that the Raiders often eschew a plane over taking the short bus to most games, but it begs the question why some of these other teams with running back issues didn't show any interest in Bush.

I thought I would also mention that Bush and Betts are posting the same YPC (4.1) only Bush has 47 carries to Ladell's 38 and consequently has more yards.....and The Chargers and Raiders were on the brink of a deal before it fell apart at the end.

[Keino]

Lemme guess, you were on the Lumsden train too, right?

I wasn't. Discuss.

[shally]

could be a consistency thing. I much rather get a punter who gives me 40 yards every time then a Punter who wildly goes from 30-50 and is un predictable either outkicking your coverage when long or ashanking at bad times in the game.

that is exactly it... consistency.. plackenmeier is capable of pinning a team deep. he did that to us during our playoff game in seattle.. he has a good leg. if he remains consistent, we have a solid punter..

[shane88]

could be a consistency thing. I much rather get a punter who gives me 40 yards every time then a Punter who wildly goes from 30-50 and is un predictable either outkicking your coverage when long or ashanking at bad times in the game.
Exactly. Also, distance/net yardage is one thing, but let's not forget hangtime. A 50-yard punt that only takes 3 seconds to be caught is a lot worse than a 40-yard punt that takes 5 seconds. Gotta allow for your coverage unit to get downfield, and Brook's kicks certainly weren't. So, we'll see I guess.

[culpeper]

Lemme guess, you were on the Lumsden train too, right?

i know youre just trying to be funny...but no i was not. let me ask you this:

is marcus mason a better running back than rock cartwright?

is mm comperable to LB? (IMO its debatable, he just hasnt had a chance)

if Rock wasnt a staple at kickoff return...would MM have made this team?

IMO hes an immediate upgrade over rock, he can start right-a-way, and he fits in with the teams chemistry. all of which are question marks with alexander.

A RUNNING BACKS TALENT DOES NOT FADE OVER TIME....RBs IN THIS LEAGUE HIT A WALL, and you never know when it will happen. for SA it was 2 years ago...

[CNYSkinFan]

Lemme guess, you were on the Lumsden train too, right?
There is a big difference between Lumsden and Mason...and that is Mason actually got into actual pre-season games in two straight camps and still is in the nfl (though on a ps). Lumsden lovers were going off a highlite reel from CFL ball and a couple of good runs in a controlled scrimmage.

[culpeper]

Lemme guess, you were on the Lumsden train too, right?

and as long as were just ribbing each other...you were on the TJ Duckett bandwagon too right?

[Keino]

and as long as were just ribbing each other...you were on the TJ Duckett bandwagon too right?

It's a BS tactic because it attempts to paint you as being unreasonable for having very reasonable objections to acquiring Keebler.

[shally]

and as long as were just ribbing each other...you were on the TJ Duckett bandwagon too right?

duckett is still in the league, plying his craft in seattle...i think SA represents a better overall risk even given his added treadwear

[culpeper]

It's a BS tactic because it attempts to paint you as being unreasonable for having very reasonable objections to acquiring Keebler.

yea, i figured that. irrelevance be damned!

duckett is still in the league, plying his craft in seattle...i think SA represents a better overall risk even given his added treadwear

and good for him! Blloyd is seeing the same turn with his career and i applaud them everytime i see a highlight.

the single most irritating fact that i have with this signing (or even bringing bush in) is we are messing with chemistry on our team. the FO has shown time and time again that they do not understand this concept. not to mention he is servicable at best at this point in his career and we can put ourselves in a much better position IMO by going with mason. we know what we get...he capable...and he fits in.

[BurgundyNGold]

and good for him! Blloyd is seeing the same turn with his career and i applaud them everytime i see a highlight.

I'm not sure that playing in 4 games out of 6 with 15 receptions is still anywhere near his potential. Randle El has 26 receptions and the same number of TDs (1).

[culpeper]

I'm not sure that playing in 4 games out of 6 with 15 receptions is still anywhere near his potential. Randle El has 26 receptions and the same number of TDs (1).

but its the same production as we are seeing from TJ duckett....and heck of a lot more production than either of them had HERE.

i point the finger towards them in the sense that...thats what you get when you mess with chemistry.

[AliBabba]

The more I think about it the more I wish we got Mason instead of Alexander.

[Keino]

The more I think about it the more I wish we got Mason instead of Alexander.

So you wouldn't have to hear my ranting and raving about it?

[AliBabba]

no, because I like the idea of bringing in somebody with lots of upside. Alexander's got tons of downside and if he produces Betts' numbers it'd be a great success. MM showed explosion and burst and brought another facet to the game. His fumbling was a big concern but I don't know what his ceiling is if he figures that out ...

[AliBabba]

Looks like Shaun "Keebler" Alexander is taking Reed's number

Word is that Shaun Alexander will procure No. 37 from Reed Doughty, who is on the injured reserve list with a back/nerve injury.
LINK (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/10/team_practicing_without_portis.html)

Doughty gets no respect ...

[Keino]

Reed is too nice.

[CNYSkinFan]

one scrub to another

[Hrabanmaur]

the single most irritating fact that i have with this signing (or even bringing bush in) is we are messing with chemistry on our team. the FO has shown time and time again that they do not understand this concept. not to mention he is servicable at best at this point in his career and we can put ourselves in a much better position IMO by going with mason. we know what we get...he capable...and he fits in.

Dude, how is Alexander messing with team chemistry? He's not coming in thinking or acting like he's the #1 RB. I don't recall him being a disruptor in Seattle. Given, he's a little quirky on his opinions of modern medicine and divine healing, but he's not a team wrecker. He's an experienced guy who's been around the block and already eaten significant portions of humble pie since being cut last season. I could definitely see him as creating chemistry problems in going back to Seattle but not here in DC.

Honestly, I probably would've preferred to see Mason signed b/c it would've been a bolder move, but since it's just for a back-up for a few weeks, it really doesn't matter that much.

[Keino]

http://questgarden.com/04/10/3/051008144204/images/keebler_2.jpg

[AliBabba]

http://questgarden.com/04/10/3/051008144204/images/keebler_2.jpg
Keino, I mean I get its election season and all but you can't flip-flop so much on this issue. So do you LOVE or HATE the Shaun Alexander signing? I am getting so many mixed messages ;)

[Keino]

I am on the fence, just as I am in the Presidential election.;)

[CNYSkinFan]

I am on the fence, just as I am in the Presidential election.;)
Shaun Alexander....great Redskins running back.....or greatest redskins running back

[smoak]

I'm not sure that playing in 4 games out of 6 with 15 receptions is still anywhere near his potential. Randle El has 26 receptions and the same number of TDs (1).

Damn you and your "facts"!! ARGH!

Look it can't be Brandon Lloyd's fault.... It has to be the various coaches like Gibbs & Saunders that undermined the great Brandon Lloyd. I mean if it wasn't for the coaching staff in SF, Brandon Lloyd would be a perennial all-pro AND famous rapper... And what the heck is up with Lovie Smith and his coaches??? The Bears would be 5-0 if they played Brandon Lloyd.

:rolleyes:

[shally]

Damn you and your "facts"!! ARGH!

Look it can't be Brandon Lloyd's fault.... It has to be the various coaches like Gibbs & Saunders that undermined the great Brandon Lloyd. I mean if it wasn't for the coaching staff in SF, Brandon Lloyd would be a perennial all-pro AND famous rapper... And what the heck is up with Lovie Smith and his coaches??? The Bears would be 5-0 if they played Brandon Lloyd.

:rolleyes:

dude is hurt.. otherwise he would be on his way to hawaii...

:rolleyes:

[CNYSkinFan]

Damn you and your "facts"!! ARGH!

Look it can't be Brandon Lloyd's fault.... It has to be the various coaches like Gibbs & Saunders that undermined the great Brandon Lloyd. I mean if it wasn't for the coaching staff in SF, Brandon Lloyd would be a perennial all-pro AND famous rapper... And what the heck is up with Lovie Smith and his coaches??? The Bears would be 5-0 if they played Brandon Lloyd.

:rolleyes:
I blame Gibbs lack of understanding the hip hop culture

[VegasSkinsFan]

I think Keino is just trying to soften everyone here up so we all can chip in and purchase a brand new Alexander jersey for Christmas. PS...if we do, you ahve to promise to wear it during all of our playoff games. :)

[Keino]

I blame Gibbs lack of understanding the hip hop culture

Exactly!!!

BTW - Do you guys remember that we were offered Alexander for Champ straight up and opted for the Denver deal where they fleeced us out of the additional draft pick?

Man I love Gibbs for that decision.

[Keino]

I think Keino is just trying to soften everyone here up so we all can chip in and purchase a brand new Alexander jersey for Christmas. PS...if we do, you ahve to promise to wear it during all of our playoff games. :)

I only want a #37 if it says either "Doughty" or "Keebler" on the back of it.

[culpeper]

Dude, how is Alexander messing with team chemistry? He's not coming in thinking or acting like he's the #1 RB. I don't recall him being a disruptor in Seattle. Given, he's a little quirky on his opinions of modern medicine and divine healing, but he's not a team wrecker. He's an experienced guy who's been around the block and already eaten significant portions of humble pie since being cut last season. I could definitely see him as creating chemistry problems in going back to Seattle but not here in DC.

Honestly, I probably would've preferred to see Mason signed b/c it would've been a bolder move, but since it's just for a back-up for a few weeks, it really doesn't matter that much.

there is a pecking order with everything. whether its in the workplace, family, football team, just life in general. if you bring in a BIG name (regardless of what their abilities currently are) instead of relying on your depth that you personally chose all through training camp...you are disrupting the chemistry that is there....IMO

now, if what they are doing is holding on to him for a few weeks till betts is better and letting rock take the snaps till SA is up to speed...fine. but if you feel the need to bring someone in, why not bring someone in who can help IMMEDIATELY, like mason (and i know you like mason so im not trying to convince you here). :Peace:

instead they bring in a former MVP on his last leg and noone in that backfield (including portis) knows how the pecking order will go. i am 100% sure SA is not and will not be the "cause" of the chemistry problems. the FO's failure to trust its depth and make sound decisions is the issue...and i have supported the FO in the past...but not on this one.

[culpeper]

dude is hurt.. otherwise he would be on his way to hawaii...

:rolleyes:

all i was saying is that both TJD and BL are contributing to a football team now regardless. never said they were lighting it up or anything, just that they didnt do ANYTHING here...

but specifically, JG freaked out when CP went down and we messed up the chemistry in the backfield by bringing in TJD. its a pretty good parallel to this situation is it not?

[guess88]

I only want a #37 if it says either "Doughty" or "Keebler" on the back of it.

funny how we're replacing Doughty with dough...

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I only want a #37 if it says either "Doughty" or "Keebler" on the back of it.
How do you feel about an Alexander #35? Since that's the number he's getting :)

http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/10/14/all-right-now-its-official/

[AliBabba]

How do you feel about an Alexander #35? Since that's the number he's getting :)

http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/10/14/all-right-now-its-official/

Earlier we linked to an article that said he's in the process of getting #37 from Reed. Something to do with a winner takes tall, bare knuckle, cage match rock paper scissors tournament

[RedskinsGuru]

Yeah, just thought I'd inform you that Shaun Alexander is really, really bad. The guy is 31...the age that marks death of most running backs. He has no speed, no ability to break tackles, can't hit a hole with any sort of burst, probably couldn't see the hole in the first place. He's terrible. I can name ten guys right now who I'd rather sign at RB over him, Mason being the obvious one. And just to throw it out there, I'd rather have Rock as my 2 than this old fart.

Horrible signing.

[BurgundyNGold]

How do you feel about an Alexander #35? Since that's the number he's getting :)

http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/10/14/all-right-now-its-official/
Apparently, according to JLC, he's going to try and procure 37 from Doughty.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Earlier we linked to an article that said he's in the process of getting #37 from Reed. Something to do with a winner takes tall, bare knuckle, cage match rock paper scissors tournament
Haha...

My bad... wasn't on a mood for a 12 page thread, thanks!

[BurgundyNGold]

Yeah, just thought I'd inform you that Shaun Alexander is really, really bad. The guy is 31...the age that marks death of most running backs. He has no speed, no ability to break tackles, can't hit a hole with any sort of burst, probably couldn't see the hole in the first place. He's terrible. I can name ten guys right now who I'd rather sign at RB over him, Mason being the obvious one. And just to throw it out there, I'd rather have Rock as my 2 than this old fart.

Horrible signing.
You're probably right, but he costs verry little and knows the system. Considering he's had an extra 6 months to let his body heal, I'm willing to give him and audition. It's worth the (minimal) gamble to have him as a backup if he turns out to be even a shadow of his former self.

[AliBabba]

Haha...

My bad... wasn't on a mood for a 12 page thread, thanks!

Yeh, you notice I didn't bother to find the actual link either :)

[Keino]

Haha...

My bad... wasn't on a mood for a 12 page thread, thanks!

It's only 5 pages if you change your user CP so that you get 40 posts per page.....

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

It's only 5 pages if you change your user CP so that you get 40 posts per page.....
That's the half-full way of looking at it, lol.

Thanks, will do

[CNYSkinFan]

It's only 5 pages if you change your user CP so that you get 40 posts per page.....
still alot of

Alexander will be great

vs.

Alexander is part female

[ph33rtheD]

still alot of

Alexander will be great

vs.

Alexander is part female


LOL

[hogs86]

I watched a press conference today about SA the man is super smart and guess who his favorite team and player is. John Riggins and the skins. The guy can not be that bad.:sun:

[skinsfan36]

hey im not a big sa fan but he was a great rb for a while. he lost it and turned into a soft cupcake. the guy won mvp and made the pro bowl like 3 or 4 times. so my point is here he may surprise us and really run hard to try to restore his mini legacy he had. i really dont like the word legacy there but you know what i mean

[shally]

others have done that...OJ Anderson was a cupcake with the cards and was a totally different runner for parcells in NY.. it happens

[Keino]

others have done that...OJ Anderson was a cupcake with the cards and was a totally different runner for parcells in NY.. it happens

This is the 2nd time you have said that, it wasn't true the 1st time you said it and it's not true now. OJ Anderson did not run "soft" in St. Louis. He was not a "totally different runner" only slower and healthier. Cut it out.

[BurgundyNGold]

Apparently, according to JLC, he's going to try and procure 37 from Doughty.
For what it's worth, I'd like to see Alexander wear 36. That would fit in nicely between Portis (26) and Betts (46). :)

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

For what it's worth, I'd like to see Alexander wear 36. That would fit in nicely between Portis (26) and Betts (46). :)
ST's former number? Don't count me in.

[Biggie]

For what it's worth, I'd like to see Alexander wear 36. That would fit in nicely between Portis (26) and Betts (46). :)
Considering that he won't be here in a month, I don't think it makes much difference what number he wears.

[BurgundyNGold]

ST's former number? Don't count me in.
ST's former number was 21. And other players have worn 36 since ST wore it.

[Sweepea436]

Considering that he won't be here in a month, I don't think it makes much difference what number he wears.



Lol. We should give him velcro numbers... plug him in a few different spots!

[BurgundyNGold]

Considering that he won't be here in a month, I don't think it makes much difference what number he wears.
Well, that depends. If he runs well, I would expect the Redskins to carry 4 RBs for the rest of the season. If not, he'd only get dropped to replace a margial player who is playing poorly (Mike Green, Plackemeier, perhaps).

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

ST's former number was 21. And other players have worn 36 since ST wore it.
Ok, ST's "original" number. Still, don't count me in, I know others have used it (Nemo, Schweigert, etc.), but I'm not ready to move on, and if it was in my hands, nobody would be using any of them.

[Keino]

ST's former number? Don't count me in.

Come now. The late Mr. Taylor cannot occupy 2 numbers. He changed his number to 21. He was #21 and nobody should wear that one again. 36 is fair game though......

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Come now. The late Mr. Taylor cannot occupy 2 numbers. He changed his number to 21. He was #21 and nobody should wear that one again. 36 is fair game though......
Call me sentimental... or just not ready to move on yet.

And if someone is going to use that number, make it Landry, Portis... I don't know... but Alexander?

[Biggie]

Well, that depends. If he runs well, I would expect the Redskins to carry 4 RBs for the rest of the season. If not, he'd only get dropped to replace a margial player who is playing poorly (Mike Green, Plackemeier, perhaps).
From what I've seen of the Redskins' running game since Gibbs came back in '04, it's built for running backs who won't shy away from contact. Gaping holes won't be there all that often, and runners like Portis and Betts do well here because they don't go down on the first hit. I just don't think SA is tough enough for that kind of running game. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Keino]

Call me sentimental... or just not ready to move on yet.

And if someone is going to use that number, make it Landry, Portis... I don't know... but Alexander?

OK put that way, I totally feel you. Keebler should not be associated with the Tarantula's number in any way, shape or form. He really shouldn't be on this team.....

[csquared]

OK put that way, I totally feel you.

Portis already wears Taylor's college number. So does Springs. He wore 24 and 26 in college.

[BurgundyNGold]

From what I've seen of the Redskins' running game since Gibbs came back in '04, it's built for running backs who won't shy away from contact. Gaping holes won't be there all that often, and runners like Portis and Betts do well here because they don't go down on the first hit. I just don't think SA is tough enough for that kind of running game. Maybe I'm wrong.
We'll have to see. The guy definitely does not run with the power that you would expect, given a man of his size. But, as Zorn said, he is not healthy for the first time in years and, maybe, he can pick up the "violent" running styles of Portis and Betts here in Washington.

Now that we've got the guy, I'm willing to give him a chance before I start writing his obituary.

[Keino]

Portis already wears Taylor's college number. So does Springs. He wore 24 and 26 in college.

What happens in Miami, stays in Miami.....or something....

[redskin_rich]

Call me sentimental... or just not ready to move on yet.

And if someone is going to use that number, make it Landry, Portis... I don't know... but Alexander?

Nemo still has it.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/players/Nehemiah_Broughton.jsp

[BurgundyNGold]

Nemo still has it.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/players/Nehemiah_Broughton.jsp
Nemo is still on this team? WTH??? He should be getting me Krispy Kreme donuts by now.

[cal_junior]

Though I certainly remember ST's rookie season well, the number I will always associate with him will be 21.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Nemo still has it.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/players/Nehemiah_Broughton.jsp
I stand... I don't like him wearing the number.

[shally]

Nemo is still on this team? WTH??? He should be getting me Krispy Kreme donuts by now.

talk about waiting for a guy to mature.... nemo will be on social security by the time he is ready for the roster...

[redskin_rich]

Nemo is still on this team? WTH??? He should be getting me Krispy Kreme donuts by now.

He is the veteran of the practice squad. I seriously didn't know you could PS a guy for 3 years. He would probably be on the roster and starting if anything were to happen to the Caveman, unless they decided to change Fred Davis' role.

[BurgundyNGold]

talk about waiting for a guy to mature.... nemo will be on social security by the time he is ready for the roster...
Nemo is a bad dream. Talk about someone who plays soft. Sometimes, I think that Vinny keeps him around just to screw up my drafting proficiency numbers, lol.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Come on... give him some time... he's just a rookie.... oh wait, what?

[shally]

Nemo is a bad dream. Talk about someone who plays soft. Sometimes, I think that Vinny keeps him around just to screw up my drafting proficiency numbers, lol.

of all the players we put on PS this year, nemo is the most mind boggling.
guys on the PS are supposed to be young and developing.. what possible development do they expect out of nemo ?

i know we only have sellers as a fb, and maybe they were really caught short when pete schmitt called it a career.. but nemo ?? Lord !!!

i have no idea what they see in him...he is like duckett after a 3 day bender..

[shally]

Come on... give him some time... he's just a rookie.... oh wait, what?

he is the only member of the PS who will be eligible for AARP membership next year...

[CNYSkinFan]

Nemo is a bad dream. Talk about someone who plays soft. Sometimes, I think that Vinny keeps him around just to screw up my drafting proficiency numbers, lol.
I thought that was Reed Doughty....hmmm we may have something here