I know it's way premature but ..

[Ford]

I tend to talk draft about 9 months a year. Who would you like to see in burgundy and gold come april?

A couple of possibilities I'd like to see ..

I'd like to start by saying .. yes, I'm going to list 3 sooners. Yes, I'm a sooners fan. But they are THAT good .. trust me.

S Brandon Everage, Oklahoma --
It's pretty well known the skins would like to add one more good safety. If Bowen moved to SS (which he can), he would make a great tandem with Everage. Everage is fast (4.3 or so I think), hard hitting, and has an ability for the big play (6 int's last year).

LB Teddy Lehman, Oklahoma --
When Rocky Calmus left, Teddy Lehman stepped up. This kid is a leader .. and a very smart player. Aside from his great instincts, he's a sure tackler, and has the physical tools to play in the NFL. He's clocked around 4.4 and plays to his speed. Jessie Armstead won't be around for long and it is unknown whether Antonio Pierce is starting material.

DT Tommie Harris, Oklahoma (Jr) --
We'd likely have to trade up for him, but if he comes out (and I hope he doesn't), he would be a perfect fit. Harris is a dominant DT. He started at Oklahoma since he was a true freshman, and was named Big 12 freshman of the year. Explosive might be the best word to describe Harris. He reminds me a bit of Daryl Gardener with the way he penetrates offensive lines and reaks havoc in the backfield .. something our line doesn't do right now.

TE Kellen Winslow Jr, Miami --
Flemister sucks, Royal seems to have the dropsies and we are getting absolutely no production from out TEs. Some say Spurrier doesn't use the TE but I know he would utilize the position if he had someone worth throwing to. Winslow might just be the next Shockey, without the attitude. He says he'll only come out if miami wins the championship this year though .. and we all know that the sooners are going to.

[rskinsfan10]

Is Wolfork from Miami still rated pretty high?

[BigCountry]

Finally someone who understands my draft insanity. Ford you're a hopeless homer but you're also right. Everage would be perfect in the 2nd round and he could slip the way Smoot did (I already added him to the Skins in Madden 2004 so I want him here too)

We'd really have to suck to get Harris without a trade up, which is something I'd seriously consider.

Lehman would be a great replacement for Armstead but since we dug ourselves a whole on the defensive line we can't afford to take anything else in the 1st round (which is where Lehman will end up) If he'll drop I'll still take Everage over him.

Kellen Winslow is a luxury we can't afford.

Now if we're already on the subject of homerism, all you Terp fans would probably join me in the draft Randy Starks campaign.

[LavarLeap2003]

im with u guys on this one, WILFORK would be a dream...really would be or go for MAURICE CLARETTE :)

[Brett A]

Clarette will be a huge bust.

Couldnt hold up for a college season wait until as to take it from the Lavars and Ray Lewis Real Men with bad attitudes He wont last.

Brett

[BigCountry]

We don't need a rb in the first day.

[RedskinsDave]

I say we give our draft picks up for proven restricted free agents again. It worked once.

[Patrick]

Offensive and Defensive line is where we'll need to focus, then DB.

Don't even get me started on that Clarette issue - kid needs to grow up & stay in school.

[Skinsfan1906]

Originally posted by Ford
I tend to talk draft about 9 months a year. Who would you like to see in burgundy and gold come april?

A couple of possibilities I'd like to see ..

I'd like to start by saying .. yes, I'm going to list 3 sooners. Yes, I'm a sooners fan. But they are THAT good .. trust me.

S Brandon Everage, Oklahoma --
It's pretty well known the skins would like to add one more good safety. If Bowen moved to SS (which he can), he would make a great tandem with Everage. Everage is fast (4.3 or so I think), hard hitting, and has an ability for the big play (6 int's last year).

LB Teddy Lehman, Oklahoma --
When Rocky Calmus left, Teddy Lehman stepped up. This kid is a leader .. and a very smart player. Aside from his great instincts, he's a sure tackler, and has the physical tools to play in the NFL. He's clocked around 4.4 and plays to his speed. Jessie Armstead won't be around for long and it is unknown whether Antonio Pierce is starting material.

DT Tommie Harris, Oklahoma (Jr) --
We'd likely have to trade up for him, but if he comes out (and I hope he doesn't), he would be a perfect fit. Harris is a dominant DT. He started at Oklahoma since he was a true freshman, and was named Big 12 freshman of the year. Explosive might be the best word to describe Harris. He reminds me a bit of Daryl Gardener with the way he penetrates offensive lines and reaks havoc in the backfield .. something our line doesn't do right now.

TE Kellen Winslow Jr, Miami --
Flemister sucks, Royal seems to have the dropsies and we are getting absolutely no production from out TEs. Some say Spurrier doesn't use the TE but I know he would utilize the position if he had someone worth throwing to. Winslow might just be the next Shockey, without the attitude. He says he'll only come out if miami wins the championship this year though .. and we all know that the sooners are going to.

FORD: What's up? Man, I'M A SOONERS FAN ALSO!!!:p Yeah, my first choice would be Tommie Harris. If we could get him, then we would be set at one DT position for possibly a decade or so. I also like to see Kellen Winslow Jr. in Burgundy and Gold. That would be awesome. Most importantly, however, would be to resign Bailey and Arrington to long term contracts (IMO) BEFORE we do anything else.

[jporterweb]

First of all Winslow is an attitude we don't need on this team. The TE's aren't highly held in this offense anyways. Plus I see him being converted to WR in the NFL.

The team that drafts Maurice CLARETT(no e guys) will be out A LOT of money. I am an OSU fan, and he is not that good. He got good yards last year, but the games he played in, I could get those yards. We were playing horrible DL's.

As for who to draft, I got my eye's on Chris Gamble if he jumps early(which I doubt he will) He's going to make one helluva DB. If Champ does refuse to sign, I would watch for Gamble. this year or next depending on when he decides to go Pro. Gamble and Smoot(while not the best) could be a formidable set of DB's.

[Hailyeah]

The only 'draft' that I'm concerned with during the season is what my brew options are on tap at Damon's on Sundays. I have a feeling Clarrett chatter for the 2004 draft will be more annoying than the McGahee yapping this year. Ugh.

[Spence]

Draft defensive line through the first seven rounds. Then concentrate on other positions.

[Spence]

Originally posted by Hailyeah
I have a feeling Clarrett chatter for the 2004 draft will be more annoying than the McGahee yapping this year. Ugh. Amen. I love talking draft [though I don't really know anything about it right now], but this Clarett thing is already annoying. I'm interested as a lawyer, but as a fan this guy is already boring me.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Spence
Amen. I love talking draft [though I don't really know anything about it right now], but this Clarett thing is already annoying. I'm interested as a lawyer, but as a fan this guy is already boring me.

From a lawyers take: Let's say the boy wins the case - what's to say the the owners get together and decide he's only to be picked up as a free agent OR not to be drafted until the 7th round (just to make a point).

[ShaggySkins]

WINSLOW!!!!!!!!!
How many years do I have to yell for a TE before we take a decent one. Spurrier never had a great TE in College so to assume he wouldn't use one is wrong. Winslows attitude could help the team also. Look at what Shockeys attitude did for the Giants, I don't like the guy but he gets that entire team fired up. Spurrier has seen what great TEs can do in the league. If he had a weapon like Winslow to run the seam or outlet we would be that much more dangerous.

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by ShaggySkins
WINSLOW!!!!!!!!!
How many years do I have to yell for a TE before we take a decent one. Spurrier never had a great TE in College so to assume he wouldn't use one is wrong. Winslows attitude could help the team also. Look at what Shockeys attitude did for the Giants, I don't like the guy but he gets that entire team fired up. Spurrier has seen what great TEs can do in the league. If he had a weapon like Winslow to run the seam or outlet we would be that much more dangerous.

We have enough people to get things fired up. I think him and his father are crybabies, and I don't want him on my team.

[BigCountry]

From where we're probably gonna draft (unless we trade up) I'm looking at Randy Starks from Maryland (6'4, 310, bench pressed about 600 I think) Will Smith of Ohio State (6'4, 260) Marcus Tubbs of Texas (6'4 305, sorry Ford) and maybe David Pollack who could slip because of his hight, or so they say.

[Spence]

Originally posted by Patrick
From a lawyers take: Let's say the boy wins the case - what's to say the the owners get together and decide he's only to be picked up as a free agent OR not to be drafted until the 7th round (just to make a point). Collusion. Violation of the collective barganing agreement. A big fine. It's what the baseball owners did in the 1980s and it cost them a $250 million fine in compensatory and punitive damages.

[Spence]

All this talk about tight ends is confusing me. You guys must have some magical plan to bring in about three good defensive linemen from SuperHappyDefensiveLinemanLand so we can concentrate on tight ends during the draft.

[BigCountry]

Exactly what I've been trying to say Spence. I don't care how good Winslow is, we won't get anywhere without a top d-lineman.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Spence
Collusion. Violation of the collective barganing agreement. A big fine. It's what the baseball owners did in the 1980s and it cost them a $250 million fine in compensatory and punitive damages.

That's about what I thought you'd say.. The big thing that baffles me IS everyone (outside the NFL) seems to think he's a 1 - 4 round pick. In my mind, if he doesn't grade out at the combines (and that's IF he goes) then he MAYBE a seventh round draft pick (gamble).

We'll see so stay tune!

[Texas Skin]

Originally posted by Spence
Draft defensive line through the first seven rounds. Then concentrate on other positions.


I have to agree, we have to go D-Line strong. I would say maybe a 1st & 3rd rounder at least.

[Spence]

Originally posted by Patrick
That's about what I thought you'd say.. The big thing that baffles me IS everyone (outside the NFL) seems to think he's a 1 - 4 round pick. In my mind, if he doesn't grade out at the combines (and that's IF he goes) then he MAYBE a seventh round draft pick (gamble).

We'll see so stay tune! Yeah, I wouldn't touch this guy on the first day of the draft. He won't be ready for two years, I suspect. After that, you've got him for two years before he's an unrestricted free agent. No thanks. I'd let someone else take a chance and then wait on him.

[ShaggySkins]

Originally posted by BigCountry
Exactly what I've been trying to say Spence. I don't care how good Winslow is, we won't get anywhere without a top d-lineman.

I agree that a top D-lineman is needed but I don't think anyone realizes how much a pass catching TE can help out Ramsey. It immediatly cuts down on the sacks. A lot of these sacks taken this year are because Ramsey does not have a reliable outlet underneath man. Flemister and Royal have been huge disappointments thus far who cannot catch the ball. Canidate does not have good hands as a reciever. If u can give Ramsey a player to throw underneath to you can cut the sacks he has taken in half.

Also I think Winslow will be gone by the time we pick. I don't see Winslow lasting past the first 15 picks. But I do strongly believe a quality TE has to be taken either in the first 3 rounds or in FA to help Ramsey.

[BigCountry]

Yes but we can't afford that luxury. The defensive line is a more crucial position.

[ShaggySkins]

Originally posted by BigCountry
Yes but we can't afford that luxury. The defensive line is a more crucial position.

Can u afford to keep letting Ramsey take 10 shots a game without providing him an outlet???

[RedskinRyan]

i was hoping that the skins would pick up bennie joppru. i have a bad feeling that the skins will get ben troupe in the later rounds. i think that winslow will really open up the skins offense.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by Spence
Collusion. Violation of the collective barganing agreement. A big fine. It's what the baseball owners did in the 1980s and it cost them a $250 million fine in compensatory and punitive damages.

Well, then we know Snyder will be involved :D

[Hailyeah]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Well, then we know Snyder will be involved :D :lol3: Nice. A regular comedian today.... PSF will be appearing at the Funny Bone for the rest of the week. Thanks, drive safely.

[Emmanouel8]

I can't believe we're already talking draft.

DE and DT should be the major focus this offseason w/o a doubt. I can't believe TE is even being mentioned when we have an offense right now that can move the chains better than anyone in the league, but a d-line that can't collapse an offensive line ridden w/ rookies.

[Ford]

Trade up for Tommie Harris. Say it, dream it, make it happen. Tommie Harris and a free agent like a Greg Ellis (assuming we can't afford to resign bailey and bring in someone like KEarse) .. cures alot of our dline woes

[Redskinfan29]

Winslow - Man our offense would be sick

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Our offense should be sick without Winslow. Honestly, would you rather have a beast tight end or a pass rush worthy of hitting the quarterback ten times a game? I'd go with the latter right now. As we've seen, the offense looks pretty damn good so far. I think we're all liking its improvement (by leaps and bounds) over last year.

[BigCountry]

As much as Kearse, Sapp, Abraham sound tempting, I'd take Champ before any of them in a heart beat because it's only week 3, and we can what just a slight hint of continuety can do for a team. We may not have that much of it but we have as much as we've had since 99 and it's bringing results. We can only hope it'll bring similar results as the 99 season.

[ShaggySkins]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Our offense should be sick without Winslow. Honestly, would you rather have a beast tight end or a pass rush worthy of hitting the quarterback ten times a game? I'd go with the latter right now. As we've seen, the offense looks pretty damn good so far. I think we're all liking its improvement (by leaps and bounds) over last year.

Rookie DEs aren't going to contribute 10 hits on the QB a game. Its just like rookie WRs it takes a few years for them to produce usually. Look in NY at Dewayne Robertson right now and he was the first DL taken. Great speed rushers can be found in the 2nd or 3rd round and be just as effective.

[Death_Venom]

Let's wait and see how the rest of the season pans out before we start nit-picking about Draftee's........It VERY EARLY in the season and we have yet to see what REAL direction this New Skins will take-............

The Offense looks GREAT.......Our defense needs to WAKE UP earlier (before the 2nd Quarter).........All in all I think we will be ok-.......Just need some serious tweaking on our Special Teams......

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Rookie DEs aren't going to contribute 10 hits on the QB a game. Its just like rookie WRs it takes a few years for them to produce usually. Look in NY at Dewayne Robertson right now and he was the first DL taken. Great speed rushers can be found in the 2nd or 3rd round and be just as effective.

Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse, Hugh Douglas....

Robertson is a DT, by the way, not a DE.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse, Hugh Douglas....

Robertson is a DT, by the way, not a DE.


B I N G O !!!!!!!!!!!

[ShaggySkins]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse, Hugh Douglas....

Robertson is a DT, by the way, not a DE.

Bryan Thomas, Jamal Reynolds, Courtney Brown, Ebeenzer Ekuban, Lamar King, Greg Ellis, and Jason Peter. All can be considered busts up to this point. And they are all first rounders taken in the last 4 years. Like I said earlier its a 50/50 shot. Also all of your guys were taken in the first 13 picks or so. If the skins are picking that high this season is a serious dissappointment.

About Robertson, this whole thing started about DL not DE. I was simply trying to prove a point.


YAHTZEE!!!!!!!!!

[BigCountry]

Well there's no sure thing in the draft, so Winslow could also be a bust.

[Skaggsrules]

What about Sean Taylor the safety from Miami. I hear a lot about him, he's like a faster Roy Williams

[BigCountry]

He's the only player I'd take instead of a d-lineman but there's a whole bunch of safeties you can take later. Brandon Everage, Jamal Brimmer, Atari Bigby, to name a few.

[Ford]

Originally posted by Skaggsrules
What about Sean Taylor the safety from Miami. I hear a lot about him, he's like a faster Roy Williams

Like a faster Roy Williams except that Roy Williams is about 9,000 times better.

[BigCountry]

I wouldn't be too sure of that. While Roy Williams will be great (not judging by that monday night performance) Taylor will be the best safety prospect since Ronny Lott.