Will The Redskins Make The Playoffs

[hogs86]

If the season ended today we would make the the playoffs. So the question is do we get in yes or no?? I say we must win 10 games to get a wildcard spot.


11/23 @ Seahawks
11/30 vs Giants
12/7 @ Ravens
12/14 @ Bengals
12/21 vs Eagles
12/28 @ 49'ers

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I say no. I'm not really confident about next week either. But I reserve the right to change my answer.:)

[CampbellforMVP]

If the season ended today we would make the the playoffs. So the question is do we get in yes or no?? I say we must win 10 games to get a wildcard spot.


11/23 @ Seahawks
11/30 vs Giants
12/7 @ Ravens
12/14 @ Bengals
12/21 vs Eagles
12/28 @ 49'ers

I say we get in on a wild card, We only really have room to lose one more game and I would prefer that be to the probable Super Bowl Champs,The Giants. The Cowboys wont make it, I mean look at there remaining schedule.

[smoak]

We are not making it. Zorn isn't getting it done and neither are these players.

This team may not beat Seattle next week if they bring the effort the have the past ~ 2 months. Disgusting.

[wewantdallas]

We are not making it. Zorn isn't getting it done and neither are these players.

This team may not beat Seattle next week if they bring the effort the have the past ~ 2 months. Disgusting.

Despite some good and consistent individual efforts, the team has stunk as a whole since the Rams game, and there are no signs of them turning it around. The Seattle game next week has "upset" written all over it.

I think Zorn has been figured out, which happens to EVERYONE eventually, but he hasn't yet figured out how to adjust. I'm still very much a Zorn fan, but the playcalling recently has really been sub-par, and I'm tired of hearing the line, "Oh, when we look at the film, we're just going to be sick about how many opportunities we had," and I just don't get the absolute shunning of a deep shot here and there. It looks the Al Saunders offense of 2006 now, which is not something I ever wanted to see again.

But back to the question...I don't know if they make it or not, and 10-6 might not even get them in. I look at that schedule and I see an 8-8 or 9-7 record at best at this point. Hope I'm wrong, but the team is showing me nothing to suggest otherwise.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Nope...the Ol cant give JC time for plays to develop leaving us with nothing but dink and dunk. Samuels wont be healthy all season, Jansen is a major liability, Rabach cant handle the big DT's and Kendall and Thomas seem old all of a sudden. Portis isnt healthy, Betts looked like he re-injured himself, Moss still isnt 100% and we dont have any other weapons at WR.

Despite the lack of pass rush we can win with this D...the reasons for our losses and poor play aginst bad teams lies with the offense. I've been sayin it since the Rams game, we arent playing well enough to beat anyone in this league. If seattle beats us our season is done imo...and they just might with this OL. Cincy and San Fran could beat us with no more offensive output than we can muster...IMo there is no way we'll beat NY, Baltimore or Philly with this OL. So even if we can beat the lesser teams by a FG we'll be 9-7 and sitting home.

[Lavar703]

Of course not. We just lost to Dallas, a team who was realing badly and they played terrible and we still lost the game. We cant score and thats a big problem. The defense was excellent last night and only gave up 14 points and the offense has been dormant since the Rams game.

[GibbsFan]

There was a complete lack of effort from the OL last night, and we just don't play well in Seattle with the noise. If we lose that one, we are a snowball headed for hell.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Despite some good and consistent individual efforts, the team has stunk as a whole since the Rams game, and there are no signs of them turning it around. The Seattle game next week has "upset" written all over it.

I think Zorn has been figured out, which happens to EVERYONE eventually, but he hasn't yet figured out how to adjust. I'm still very much a Zorn fan, but the playcalling recently has really been sub-par, and I'm tired of hearing the line, "Oh, when we look at the film, we're just going to be sick about how many opportunities we had," and I just don't get the absolute shunning of a deep shot here and there. It looks the Al Saunders offense of 2006 now, which is not something I ever wanted to see again.

But back to the question...I don't know if they make it or not, and 10-6 might not even get them in. I look at that schedule and I see an 8-8 or 9-7 record at best at this point. Hope I'm wrong, but the team is showing me nothing to suggest otherwise.

That Offense and this one had one major problem...this OL. I think the deep routes are there, I think good calls are being made by Zorn but the Ol isnt capable of giving JC the time needed for those plays to develop, hence all the dinks and dunks. Since Samuels knee started bothering him, and Portis got hurt the OL cannot tire people out with the smashmouth running game. This makes us one dimensional and allows teams to blitz and disrupt the deep passing game. It doesnt help that Moss isnt 100% and is the only legitimate WR on the field...

[shally]

If the season ended today we would make the the playoffs. So the question is do we get in yes or no?? I say we must win 10 games to get a wildcard spot.


11/23 @ Seahawks
11/30 vs Giants
12/7 @ Ravens
12/14 @ Bengals
12/21 vs Eagles
12/28 @ 49'ers

no question we will need to win at least 10 games

right now i think it is less than 50/50.. we are on a downward trajectory unfortunately

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Despite some good and consistent individual efforts, the team has stunk as a whole since the Rams game, and there are no signs of them turning it around. The Seattle game next week has "upset" written all over it.

I think Zorn has been figured out, which happens to EVERYONE eventually, but he hasn't yet figured out how to adjust. I'm still very much a Zorn fan, but the playcalling recently has really been sub-par, and I'm tired of hearing the line, "Oh, when we look at the film, we're just going to be sick about how many opportunities we had," and I just don't get the absolute shunning of a deep shot here and there. It looks the Al Saunders offense of 2006 now, which is not something I ever wanted to see again.

But back to the question...I don't know if they make it or not, and 10-6 might not even get them in. I look at that schedule and I see an 8-8 or 9-7 record at best at this point. Hope I'm wrong, but the team is showing me nothing to suggest otherwise.

It's kind of strange. If at the beginning of the season, you told me we would be 9-7 in Zorn's first year and first year with WCO, I would have signed up for that. But after starting 6-2 (should be 7-1) and seeing the offense move the ball with relative ease between the 20's for a big chunk of the season, this season has turned very disappointing.

[Skaggsrules]

Yeah, we'll make it

[CNYSkinFan]

maybe. We are in our typical mid season fuink. Gibbs could get the pl;ayers to buy in to close out the season about 505 of the time (yes in 2005 & 2007 no in 2004 & 2006). Will Zorn get a 5-1 finish out of this team or 3-3? that is the question, one will get you in, one will get you out and 4-2 is a 50/50 chance of making it.

EVERY TEAM IN THE NFC not in the NFC West is playoff eleigible reight now. Arizona will win the west. NY Giants will win the east. Everything else is yet to be determined

[shally]

maybe. We are in our typical mid season fuink. Gibbs could get the pl;ayers to buy in to close out the season about 505 of the time (yes in 2005 & 2007 no in 2004 & 2006). Will Zorn get a 5-1 finish out of this team or 3-3? that is the question, one will get you in, one will get you out and 4-2 is a 50/50 chance of making it.

EVERY TEAM IN THE NFC not in the NFC West is playoff eleigible reight now. Arizona will win the west. NY Giants will win the east. Everything else is yet to be determined

if they get into the playoffs, they will need a gibbs-like close.. i dont know that zorn can get that out of them.. it is going to have to be player inspired

[JsMaViSd]

no, we dont make the playoffs.

i see us winning 9 games.

[NCskinsfanatic]

if they get into the playoffs, they will need a gibbs-like close.. i dont know that zorn can get that out of them.. it is going to have to be player inspired

It's going to have to be OL inspired...if they cant do it we aint going.

[shally]

It's going to have to be OL inspired...if they cant do it we aint going.


problem is that just inserting a player or 2 is not likely to spark the o line.. that takes consistency

frankly, except for samuels, they all look old and tired

[NCskinsfanatic]

problem is that just inserting a player or 2 is not likely to spark the o line.. that takes consistency

frankly, except for samuels, they all look old and tired

agreed which is very problematic. How do you replace half your Ol in one offseason? Samuels isnt going to look better until he gets his knee scoped and Jansen is done, he was only useful when we could run, now with a mash unit at RB he's not needed. Thomas has seen his play diminish and seems heavy and out of shape. Kendall is a warrior but isnt the biggest guy and his knees are failing him. Rabach is smart but too small to be of any use against bigger athletic DT's. And I firmly believe this offense gets no better in the passing game without OL improvement.

[sinskin]

SF put up 30+ yesterday.... Eagles can do it .... Tennessee is putting up consistent points on offense for Christ sake! GB put up 37 on the Bears .... The freakin Jets put up huge numbers .... The Giants....The Saints can...I have seen Houston do it.....Not to mention the better Offensive teams in the League.

We (for several years now) can't average more then 18 points a game. I have to put up a large



WTF

[Redskinmayhem]

If the season ended today we would make the the playoffs. So the question is do we get in yes or no?? I say we must win 10 games to get a wildcard spot.


11/23 @ Seahawks
11/30 vs Giants
12/7 @ Ravens
12/14 @ Bengals
12/21 vs Eagles
12/28 @ 49'ers

If the previous 10 games are any indication, then NO - WE WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.

This team needs a SERIOUS turn around and players at all positions (I'm calling out the lines) need to step up.

We have a knack ability to play DOWN to our competition. We'll likely play the Seahawks the same way we played the Rams - POORLY. We'll likely play down to their level and and to top it off, I can see Holmgren out-coaching Zorn.

The way the Gnats are playing right now, I don't see us winning. We'll likely get routed, in front of 40K+ Gnats fans, IN OUR HOME STADIUM.

If we had trouble against the Steelers D - We're going to have trouble with the Raven's D...And get beat up physically. Our team is "soft" IMHO - Mentally and Physically.

The Bengals are a beatable team, provided we run the ball down their throats. Of course, this implies that our O-Line shows up for work and doesn't steal a paycheck as they're accustomed to doing. So far this season, no game can be viewed as a "win" by the Skins until the final whistle.

I don't even know that we'll beat the iggles at home. I just don't see the grit/heart/desire in this team to go on a late wining streak like we've done the past few seasons. You can beat the iggles will get up to play us. They always do, especially in our house.

As for the 49'ers, See the Bengals.


I'm so down on this team right now it's not even funny.

[Redskinmayhem]

SF put up 30+ yesterday.... Eagles can do it .... Tennessee is putting up consistent points on offense for Christ sake! GB put up 37 on the Bears .... The freakin Jets put up huge numbers .... The Giants....The Saints can...I have seen Houston do it.....

We (for several years now) can't average more then 18 points a game. I have to put up a large



WTF

What is the one constant for the past several years? The O-line. That's the only thing I can find that's been the same through out the last 7 years where our offense has absolutely SUCKED.

[Skins7ny]

I am still thinking 10-6, but it is not going to happen if we cannot protect our QB. We have to beat Seattle this week. 10-6 might not even be enough to be guaranteed a playoff spot in the NFC.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I say yes. We are capable, just gotta get back to showing it. Plus, all of the teams in the mix are going to beat each other up like always.

Is Heyer not yet healthy? Whats going on with him, because he needs to be reinserted into the starting lineup IMO.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I say yes. We are capable, just gotta get back to showing it. Plus, all of the teams in the mix are going to beat each other up like always.

Is Heyer not yet healthy? Whats going on with him, because he needs to be reinserted into the starting lineup IMO.

Heyer is 100%. Zorn decided to stay with Jansen. He did this based on performance. It is time to switch back.

[NCskinsfanatic]

What is the one constant for the past several years? The O-line. That's the only thing I can find that's been the same through out the last 7 years where our offense has absolutely SUCKED.

bingo...saunders had no love for Jansen and considered him a liability in the passing game too. Casey is undersized, Kendall is old and undersized, and injuries have robbed Thomas...Samuels is the only good OL we have starting and he's playing on one leg. We've switched QB's and scheme and while I think JC will be even better in year 2 of Zorns O, he still needs time for plays to develop to be successful.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Heyer is 100%. Zorn decided to stay with Jansen. He did this based on performance. It is time to switch back.

we just cant run right with Heyer...period. So while he'll help keep JC upright we become one dimensional in the run game...teams just have to load up on the L side which will feature a hobbled Samuels the rest of the season.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

bingo...saunders had no love for Jansen and considered him a liability in the passing game too. Casey is undersized, Kendall is old and undersized, and injuries have robbed Thomas...Samuels is the only good OL we have starting and he's playing on one leg. We've switched QB's and scheme and while I think JC will be even better in year 2 of Zorns O, he still needs time for plays to develop to be successful.

I may be the only one, but I think Kendall is having a good season, and played OK last night. Thomas looked old and slow last night. I'm not sure how it happend, but Rabach has fallen off a cliff this year.

[shally]

I may be the only one, but I think Kendall is having a good season, and played OK last night. Thomas looked old and slow last night. I'm not sure how it happend, but Rabach has fallen off a cliff this year.

kendall is okay .. i cant get over how much thomas has fallen off

rabach really looks overmatched most of the time

[AliBabba]

bingo...saunders had no love for Jansen and considered him a liability in the passing game too. Casey is undersized, Kendall is old and undersized, and injuries have robbed Thomas...Samuels is the only good OL we have starting and he's playing on one leg. We've switched QB's and scheme and while I think JC will be even better in year 2 of Zorns O, he still needs time for plays to develop to be successful.
The O-Line is clearly in bad shape right now but I hardly think that 4 out of 5 are so bad they need to be replaced. I think there is room for improvement across the entire line, but, IMO we should start with Jansen. He's done .... D-O-N-E

Heyer needs to be playing with the 1st team tomorrow and for the rest of the year. I would also like to consider sitting Randy at this point. He's gotten really old, really fast. I don't know if Rinehart can handle that at this point but I think we need to see what we got there with the kids. We are obviously going to have to address this issue in the offseason/draft but we are going to have to have a more accurate measurment in terms of scope.

We can win and run an effective offense without replacing everyone but Samuels though....

[SkinsfaninNJ]

we just cant run right with Heyer...period. So while he'll help keep JC upright we become one dimensional in the run game...teams just have to load up on the L side which will feature a hobbled Samuels the rest of the season.

So what you're saying is we're screwed either way?

[NCskinsfanatic]

I may be the only one, but I think Kendall is having a good season, and played OK last night. Thomas looked old and slow last night. I'm not sure how it happend, but Rabach has fallen off a cliff this year.

I dont think kendall is horrible, but he's not the road graderthat Dock was and he has arthritic knees and is in the last year of his contract if Im not mistaken.

[NCskinsfanatic]

The O-Line is clearly in bad shape right now but I hardly think that 4 out of 5 are so bad they need to be replaced. I think there is room for improvement across the entire line, but, IMO we should start with Jansen. He's done .... D-O-N-E

Heyer needs to be playing with the 1st team tomorrow and for the rest of the year. I would also like to consider sitting Randy at this point. He's gotten really old, really fast. I don't know if Rinehart can handle that at this point but I think we need to see what we got there with the kids. We are obviously going to have to address this issue in the offseason/draft but we are going to have to have a more accurate measurment in terms of scope.

We can win and run an effective offense without replacing everyone but Samuels though....

I agree we cant replace 4/5th's of the line, even in the offseason much less during the year. However Kendall, while adequate, has arthritic knees and I believe is in the last year of his deal. Samuels is a keeper but he's gonna need his knee cleaned out before he looks good again. Rabach is simply undersized and Im not sure thats ever gonna get any better. Thomas is a shell of his former self this season but I dont think we have a replacenment thats ready to play any better because the OL is all about familiarity with one another. And finally what Hetyer gives us in pass pro he gives up in the runb game. So when we insert him for Jansen you get a diminished Thomas and a Rt unable to blow people back in the run game on the right side. This will allow teams to focus on the L side where Samuels isnt healthy enough to be as effective as he was last year when we ran L all the time. Our run game didnt improve until Jansen went in, Heyer lacks the mean streak for the smash mouth running game or he'd obviously be in there. So in a way we're damned if we do and damned if we dont as far as replacing Jansen with Heyer.

[shally]

I agree we cant replace 4/5th's of the line, even in the offseason much less during the year. However Kendall, while adequate, has arthritic knees and I believe is in the last year of his deal. Samuels is a keeper but he's gonna need his knee cleaned out before he looks good again. Rabach is simply undersized and Im not sure thats ever gonna get any better. Thomas is a shell of his former self this season but I dont think we have a replacenment thats ready to play any better because the OL is all about familiarity with one another. And finally what Hetyer gives us in pass pro he gives up in the runb game. So when we insert him for Jansen you get a diminished Thomas and a Rt unable to blow people back in the run game on the right side. This will allow teams to focus on the L side where Samuels isnt healthy enough to be as effective as he was last year when we ran L all the time. Our run game didnt improve until Jansen went in, Heyer lacks the mean streak for the smash mouth running game or he'd obviously be in there. So in a way we're damned if we do and damned if we dont as far as replacing Jansen with Heyer.


maybe time to see what rinehart can bring ? but where ??

[NCskinsfanatic]

maybe time to see what rinehart can bring ? but where ??

I think thats the problem, just a guess but I think they like him at LG and it's RG, C and RT that we have the biggest problems. I also think they are worried about throwing a rookie in this late in the game, atleast Stephon has some familiarity with the calls and the starting unit. It's just that he gives up so much in the run game especially with a less than stellar Randy Thomas beside him.

[AliBabba]

I don't necessarily agree that Heyer absolutely cannot run-block. Everybody has just accepted the fact that because when Jansen played for Heyer our running game became more balanced that clearly Heyer was the problem and JJ was the answer ....

I don't totally buy that. I want to see Heyer out there a bit more to decide if he absolutely cannot run-block. Offensive line blocking is such a group effort that I'm not willing to concede that one player is wholly responsible for the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of the right-side run

[shally]

I don't necessarily agree that Heyer absolutely cannot run-block. Everybody has just accepted the fact that because when Jansen played for Heyer our running game became more balanced that clearly Heyer was the problem and JJ was the answer ....

I don't totally buy that. I want to see Heyer out there a bit more to decide if he absolutely cannot run-block. Offensive line blocking is such a group effort that I'm not willing to concede that one player is wholly responsible for the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of the right-side run

we werent that effective running right yesterday.. so that advantage seems lost at this point in time

[NCskinsfanatic]

I don't necessarily agree that Heyer absolutely cannot run-block. Everybody has just accepted the fact that because when Jansen played for Heyer our running game became more balanced that clearly Heyer was the problem and JJ was the answer ....

I don't totally buy that. I want to see Heyer out there a bit more to decide if he absolutely cannot run-block. Offensive line blocking is such a group effort that I'm not willing to concede that one player is wholly responsible for the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of the right-side run

Fair enough but we couldnt run right last year when he started and couldnt do it thids year until he got hurt. I think hes a decent back up but doesnt have the mean streak to be a road grader...

[NCskinsfanatic]

we werent that effective running right yesterday.. so that advantage seems lost at this point in time

we werent effective runningat all really shally, what did we have like 17 attempts? But I agree, yesterday the Ol performed poorly on many levels...

[AliBabba]

Fair enough but we couldnt run right last year when he started and couldnt do it thids year until he got hurt. I think hes a decent back up but doesnt have the mean streak to be a road grader...
At this point though I don't think it matters whether or not we think he's going to be a good starter or not, for Campbell's health Jansen needs to be permanently removed from the starting lineup. We'll find out for sure what Heyer's made of as he'll get to face Baltimore, Philthy, and the Gints down the stretch. At that time we'll be in better position to grade him for future seasons. Jansen however is a huge detriment to this team and could cost us the health of our quarterback.

O/T: Shaun Alexander is a very, very bad running back. He has no idea where the hole is even if it wasn't totally obvious he has no intention to run through it anyhow.... he missed the hole completely again, I hope he finds his stuff on the curb tomorrow

[NCskinsfanatic]

At this point though I don't think it matters whether or not we think he's going to be a good starter or not, for Campbell's health Jansen needs to be permanently removed from the starting lineup. We'll find out for sure what Heyer's made of as he'll get to face Baltimore, Philthy, and the Gints down the stretch. At that time we'll be in better position to grade him for future seasons. Jansen however is a huge detriment to this team and could cost us the health of our quarterback.

O/T: Shaun Alexander is a very, very bad running back. He has no idea where the hole is even if it wasn't totally obvious he has no intention to run through it anyhow.... he missed the hole completely again, I hope he finds his stuff on the curb tomorrow

I can agree with that line of thinking...even moreso with Keebler.

[silverspring]

Our oline is made for the run game and sucks it up in the passing game. But their lack of pass protection skill isn't helped one bit by the fact that teams simply aren't scared by our passing game in general and feel comfortable constantly blitzing.

The defense played that sort of containment strategy last night and it worked. No question that this is all on our offense. With 40 yards to the goal line the offense hits an invisible wall.

We can make the playoffs, but it isn't going to be easy. Zorn has to jumpstart the offense. I think it is going to be a tough task. Devin Thomas is making it clear on the field that when Zorn says he doesn't think these guys are ready, he isn't joking. But at this point I think zorn needs to put it all on the line and force it. Malcolm Kelly and Davis and Thomas need to make an impact immediately and take some pressure off of moss and portis and cooley. Either these guys step up or we lose, either way if we can't add another dimension to this offense we lose.

[InsomniaKiller]

Sweet, I can copy and paste my drunk response from last night.

"Last year nobody thought we had a chance to go 4-0 to finish the season. Couple years back, nobody thought we had a chance to go 5-0, either. I never gave up hope either time. A team can start clicking at any given moment. Many, many folks said I was nuts. It was always, "What have you seen from this team that makes you think they can win win even half of their remaining games, yet alone run the table?"

The point is, the games that are done, are done. It doesn't matter what we did against the Cowboys or the Steelers. We have talented players. We can come out on fire next week. Maybe we will, maybe we won't. We've got some wins under our belt and there's no reason for me to assume we don't have a shot to win every time we step onto the field.

I hope we win the rest of our games this year. If we don't, ok. We can lose two more and still have a better than decent chance of being in the playoffs and hopefully making some noise.

The naysayers can tell me why it's impossible or our season is over or whatever. Doesn't matter. Six games to go. We'll see."

Are we going to make the playoffs? Nobody knows! But I'm going to be rooting for it and I'm not going to just assume they won't. I don't wait all year for football season to come around just to give up on it in November.

[Meatsnack]

Playoff?!? Playoffs?!? You're talking playoffs?!? I just want to win a game and you're talking "playoffs?!?

All kidding aside, at this point I care less about getting into the playoffs and more about looking better against Seattle. If we play as well on defense as we did vs. Dallass and can score more than 14 points on offense, then we will be improving rather than regressing for the first time in 5 games. I just want some damned improvement.

[sprcr]

I'd have to say no.

Not because I think the Skins are a bad team, but because I think they're just an above average team in an NFC with alot of teams that meet that description. We're getting into a place where tiebrakes are going to decide it and thats disheartening after such a strong start.


I'f you'd told me after the Giants game we would be 8 and 8 I'd have been thrilled, the only reason thats disapointing now, and that does appear a lilely end record, is that means we were skidding down the stretch rather than improving.

[Biggie]

Yes. And I'll tell you why.

We've see this same team for four seasons now (it's been more or less the same since 2005, except for four/five starters on defense). This season is turning out just like 2005 and just like 2007. In '05, we started 3-0, went 2-6 in our next eight games, and then won five games to make the playoffs - and our last three games were against the NFC East. In '07, we started 5-3, lost our next four, and then won our next four (including a win over the Super Bowl champions) to, that's right, make the playoffs. In both of those years, we had a Top 10 defense (#9 in 2005 and #8 in 2007) and a decent but not great offense (#11 in 2005 and #15 in 2007).

In 2008, we started 4-1 and then went 2-3, a midseason dip that we've pretty much always had. The offense is 13th and the defense is #4, the best we've had since 2004. Anyone notice a pattern?

Another thing is the schedule. From 2004-2007, the Redskins went 5-11 in November and 13-7 from December on. In only one season (2006) did they have more than one win in November (they went 2-2), going 1-3 the three other seasons. 2006 was also the only time they had a losing record in December and January, going 1-4. Otherwise, they've had a winning record after November three of the last four years, and when you combine 2005 and 2007 (two teams very similar to this one) they went a combined 9-1 in that period. As of right now, their November record for 2008 is 0-2. As far as they're concerned, they're right on schedule.

And yeah, I know, there's a new coach. Didn't that new coach already engineer a four-win streak this year? Why can't he do it again?

[smoak]

Despite some good and consistent individual efforts, the team has stunk as a whole since the Rams game, and there are no signs of them turning it around. The Seattle game next week has "upset" written all over it.

I think Zorn has been figured out, which happens to EVERYONE eventually, but he hasn't yet figured out how to adjust. I'm still very much a Zorn fan, but the playcalling recently has really been sub-par, and I'm tired of hearing the line, "Oh, when we look at the film, we're just going to be sick about how many opportunities we had," and I just don't get the absolute shunning of a deep shot here and there. It looks the Al Saunders offense of 2006 now, which is not something I ever wanted to see again.

But back to the question...I don't know if they make it or not, and 10-6 might not even get them in. I look at that schedule and I see an 8-8 or 9-7 record at best at this point. Hope I'm wrong, but the team is showing me nothing to suggest otherwise.

Agreed and depressed.

[redskin_rich]

Typical November dive by this team. Let's see how they do after Thanksgiving, when the real teams start stepping it up.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Typical November dive by this team. Let's see how they do after Thanksgiving, when the real teams start stepping it up.

I see us finishing just like our games...close but no cigar. 9-7 outside looking in by a game or two.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

I think our chances are over 50%, but could drop significantly w/ a loss to Sea, SF, or Cinci. We must win those.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think our chances are over 50%, but could drop significantly w/ a loss to Sea, SF, or Cinci. We must win those.

We have to win those and beat Philly... an AFC loss to B"more want hurt us as bad and there's no way we're beatin the Giants unless Eli and all three of their RBs get injured.

[bfauble83]

I think we will get in and probably have to go on the road in the wildcard round.

[shally]

I think we will get in and probably have to go on the road in the wildcard round.

maybe we get our answer this week ?

if we cant shake out of our doldrums and beat seattle, we wont be going anywhere..

actually, it might actually be better to be on the road considering we beat philly and dallas on the road and lost to the rams, pitts and dallas at home.
maybe it helps the team focus on the job at hand ??

[Keino]

We have to go 11-5 which means finishing the year 5-1. Not impossible, but based on the performance over the last 4 games, not very likely either.

[shally]

We have to go 11-5 which means finishing the year 5-1. Not impossible, but based on the performance over the last 4 games, not very likely either.

i think that 10-6 will get us in.. the nfc south hasnt started beating each other up.. might come down to the winner of the redskin-philly game for the final spot

we hold the edge on the saints

[AliBabba]

We have to go 11-5 which means finishing the year 5-1. Not impossible, but based on the performance over the last 4 games, not very likely either.
While 11-5 may be the cut-off I can see 10-6 happening as well. I don't see any of the 5 loss teams running the table and the chance that Atlanta or Dallas would only lose one game from their remaining schedules (very, very difficult ones) is slim as well. Now if we lose more than one game in-conference we are screwed....

[Keino]

i think that 10-6 will get us in.. the nfc south hasnt started beating each other up.. might come down to the winner of the redskin-philly game for the final spot

we hold the edge on the saints

The Saints aren't in play here, it is Tampa, Atlanta and Carolina. It is likely that 2 of these teams finish 10-6 or better which puts in the land of the tie breaker. Which comes down to Conference Record since the only team we played from the South is the Saints.

I don't think 10-6 is going to do it from the East this year. Each of the 3 teams in the South play some really crappy teams sprinkled in with their Divisional games.

We are 2 games behind Carolina and I look at their schedule and don't see 4 losses at all. We are a game behind Tampa and I don't see 3 losses on their remaining schedule, which leaves Atlanta who has a good shot at finishing 10-6.

I think to assure ourselves a spot, we have to go 11-5. Dallas can go 10-6 if they are tied for the last spot with Tampa, because they own the head to head. I think the South has real good shot at sending 3 teams like the east has the past 2 years.....

[Redskin4Life]

we just cant run right with Heyer...period. So while he'll help keep JC upright we become one dimensional in the run game...teams just have to load up on the L side which will feature a hobbled Samuels the rest of the season.
I'm sorry but how many runs did we have for negative yards on the right the last two games? It's time for Heyer to get in.... Jansen, start learning the G position.

[give_portis_the_rock]

If the season ended today we would make the the playoffs. So the question is do we get in yes or no?? I say we must win 10 games to get a wildcard spot.


11/23 @ Seahawks
11/30 vs Giants
12/7 @ Ravens
12/14 @ Bengals
12/21 vs Eagles
12/28 @ 49'ers

Yes, I think we'll be a sixth seed. I already have certain playoff dream scenarios in my head right now. But I won't say it because I don't want to jinx anything. :)

[Redskin4Life]

We are 2 games behind Carolina and I look at their schedule and don't see 4 losses at all.
The Panthers have @ATL, TB, @NYG and @GB... this is the same Panthers team that nearly lost to the Raiders and Lions and got CRUSHED by the Bucs. They could lose all 4 of these games.

We are a game behind Tampa and I don't see 3 losses on their remaining schedule,
I have to agree with you on Tampa... unless they give up an upset to DET, NO, SD or OAK, they won't lose 3... maybe 2 but not 3 (other two are @CAR, @ATL).

which leaves Atlanta who has a good shot at finishing 10-6.
For ATL to get to 10-6 and not win the division, they would have to win all four of their other games. Sorry but I can't see that happening with @SD, @NO, @MIN, STL (too many away games for a young team that's got only 2 wins out of 5 away from home).

I think to assure ourselves a spot, we have to go 11-5. Dallas can go 10-6 if they are tied for the last spot with Tampa, because they own the head to head. I think the South has real good shot at sending 3 teams like the east has the past 2 years.....
Assuming that at 10-6 we would have the same conference records as them, Tampa would lose out to us since we've got the common opponent tiebreaker over them (we beat NO and DET and split with DAL -- they've already lost to NO and DAL). Only way for TB to get in at 10-6 over us is if they lost to SD and OAK.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I'm sorry but how many runs did we have for negative yards on the right the last two games? It's time for Heyer to get in.... Jansen, start learning the G position.

Fair enough but that was a steelers D that we couldnt run on either side and a cowboys D that we couldnt run on due to the lack of healthy backs and both Thomas and Jansen being bad all night. I'm not ignorant to your point and Heyer is a better pass blocker hands down but he's soft in the run game. Replacing him for Jansen is only going to be a marginal upgrade imo, Heyer while better than Jansen still struggles at times against top notch DE's, he's a great back up where Jansen looks washed up but I dont think a back up RT that lacks the tenacity for the run game is going to make our OL much better. In other words I feel we're damned if we do and damned if we dont...

[AliBabba]

Fair enough but that was a steelers D that we couldnt run on either side and a cowboys D that we couldnt run on due to the lack of healthy backs and both Thomas and Jansen being bad all night. I'm not ignorant to your point and Heyer is a better pass blocker hands down but he's soft in the run game. Replacing him for Jansen is only going to be a marginal upgrade imo, Heyer while better than Jansen still struggles at times against top notch DE's, he's a great back up where Jansen looks washed up but I dont think a back up RT that lacks the tenacity for the run game is going to make our OL much better. In other words I feel we're damned if we do and damned if we dont...
I made this point earlier and I still believe it. With Heyer at least there is potential and upside. By that I mean that its quite possible he's not as bad a run-blocker as we think or that he can improve in that area. Obviously Jansen is done and not going to improve.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I made this point earlier and I still believe it. With Heyer at least there is potential and upside. By that I mean that its quite possible he's not as bad a run-blocker as we think or that he can improve in that area. Obviously Jansen is done and not going to improve.

Well there is that hope, I dont think he's bad but he's not smashmouth either. I guess it'll be up to Zorn/Bugel to make that call...

[Keino]

My whole thing about the Heyer/Jansen issue is that nobody else who has been injured has lost their job due to the injury. SO why is the RT situation being treated different than say, SS position in which Reed Doughty retained his spot despite being clearly outplayed by Horton?

Jansen is simply not getting it done. I feel bad for him because we wasted his best years on mediocre teams, but it is time to get younger at the position and it is more than clear that the bulk of the pressure in the passing game is coming from his side of he field.

[shally]

My whole thing about the Heyer/Jansen issue is that nobody else who has been injured has lost their job due to the injury. SO why is the RT situation being treated different than say, SS position in which Reed Doughty retained his spot despite being clearly outplayed by Horton?

Jansen is simply not getting it done. I feel bad for him because we wasted his best years on mediocre teams, but it is time to get younger at the position and it is more than clear that the bulk of the pressure in the passing game is coming from his side of he field.

i agree..he simply is a liability in pass protection that we can no longer afford-- even if he remains the better drive blocker

[NCskinsfanatic]

i agree..he simply is a liability in pass protection that we can no longer afford-- even if he remains the better drive blocker

If he can make that much of a difference to our passing game then I'm all for it, It's not like I don't agree Jon is pretty done as a starting RT, atleast in this offense. But there's got to be a reason Bugel or Zorn havent made the switch yet... they didnt have a problem benching him for Heyer to start out with. So either they feel like Jansen gives them just a good a chance, pass pro and run game combined, or Zorn isnt commited to putting the best 5 guys out there because of some new found allegience to Jansen. I want the best 5 guys out there, if that needs to include Heyer going forward then I'm all for it.

[skinsfan36]

ok breakdown time was going to start a new thread for this but i think this belongs here
playoff picture as of now(excluding 2 very close to divison champs giants,cards)
Panthers(leading south)-8-2 remaining schedule-@Atl,@GB,bucs,broncos,@NYG,@NO
Bucs-7-3 remaining schedule @Det,saints,@Car@Atl,chargers,raiders
Skins-schedule posted on page one and everyone knows we are 6-4
Falcons-6-4 remaining schedule panthers,@SD,@NO,bucs,@Min,rams
pukes 6-4 remaining schedule 49ers,seahawks,@pitt,giants,ravens,@Phi
iggles 5-4-1(mcnabb dumb look on face here) remaining schedule @Balt,cards,@NYG,browns,@Wash,pukes
then to the cluster... that is the nfc north
Packers-5-5 remaining schedule @NO,panthers,texans,@jax,@chi,lions
Bears-5-5 remaining schedule @STL,@min,jags,saints,packers,@Hou
Vikes-5-5 remianing schedule @Jax,bears,@Det,@Arz,falcons,giants
then the siants ill include although they have an awful nfc record of 2-4
5-5 packwers,@TB,falcons,@Chi,@Det,panthers

so the iggles are in trouble and the only team in this race we play are the eagles. these other teams will beat each other and we need to root on SD,Den,Jax. Atlanta,iggles,have the toughest schedules here it appears. the nfc south and north will beat each other up and i think the lions beat the vikings. yes i said it. why? childress

[Grant]

I Think as a Redskins fan. It's our job to show undeniable loyalty. No matter how dark the road we face. It's just like last year, even when the patriots beat us badly. I Still had the motivation to look a Pats fan in the eye and yell ''the patriots still suck''. Never back down,never quit.

The Redskins will make the playoffs. The Redskins will win the darn superbowl.

Hail!

[give_portis_the_rock]

I Think as a Redskins fan. It's our job to show undeniable loyalty. No matter how dark the road we face. It's just like last year, even when the patriots beat us badly. I Still had the motivation to look a Pats fan in the eye and yell ''the patriots still suck''. Never back down,never quit.

The Redskins will make the playoffs. The Redskins will win the darn superbowl.

Hail!

Amen
Any given sunday... :)

[Keino]

I Think as a Redskins fan. It's our job to show undeniable loyalty. No matter how dark the road we face. It's just like last year, even when the patriots beat us badly. I Still had the motivation to look a Pats fan in the eye and yell ''the patriots still suck''. Never back down,never quit.

The Redskins will make the playoffs. The Redskins will win the darn superbowl.

Hail!

I think this is true when dealing with opposing fans or while you are at the stadium. But we Redskins fans are family. We should be able to have honest discussions about our team amongst ourselves without Blind Homerism. It's kind of like calling your sister a Witch (replace the "w" with a "b"). You can do that, but you aren't going to stand for someone outside of your household doing the same.

So if I am discussing this with a Dallas fan, I say "Hell yea, we are making the playoffs and ya'll aren't", but here amongst Fam, I am going to be 100% forthcoming with how I feel, and I feel it will take 11-5 and I don't think this team has a 5-1 stretch in them.

[oldskinfan]

11/23 @ Seahawks - LOSS; 'Hawks will be fired up to beat old coach and win for Holmgren
11/30 vs Giants - WIN; Giants unmotivated by big lead in division
12/7 @ Ravens - LOSS; O-Line underperforms again
12/14 @ Bengals - LOSS; in close game which will kill playoff chances
12/21 vs Eagles - WIN; last home game this year with Iggles also out of contention
12/28 @ 49'ers - WIN; close in in essentially meaningless game

[redskin_rich]

Yes, the Skins will take the final Wild Card spot with a 10-6 record, edging out both Dallas and Philly with a better conference record.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

i think they will win sunday,and depending on how they play will determine the rest of the season.if they played like they did in dallas andphilly,they'll make the playoffs.if they played like they have the last 2 games,they'll be lucky to be 8-8.

[urobm]

Yes, the Skins will take the final Wild Card spot with a 10-6 record, edging out both Dallas and Philly with a better conference record.

Like that prediction, it could be close with Dallas, but thats our own fault for not digging them into a deep hole on Sunday, but again I agree with you and see a 10-6 and a wilcard spot.

[hogs86]

IMO if the skins make the playoffs it will be because of CP. The skins play their best ball when they have there back against the wall!

"Respect is not given, it is earned!"

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I think we will go 10-6 and slide in at the #6 slot. Then we will go on the road to beat Arizona in the desert then we will go back to NY and beat the giants in the meadowlands. It's going to be sweet. Then we will have to travel to Carolina to take on the Panthers.

But, I truely think we can right the ship in the next few weeks.

[WarEagle]

Unless we can pull a decent OL out of our fannies this week, I don't see how we make the playoffs. The other teams have our blueprint now. Coach needs to shake it up completely in order not to be humiliated in front of his hometown audience.

[bfauble83]

I'm not ready to give up on this season. I have a feeling that we are going to turn it around this week and take 5 out of the final 6 games and earn a wildcard.

[RicFlairOne]

Did any of us last year (me included) think that the Skins would make the playoffs after the terrible loss to Buffalo after ST's death? I certainly didn't think so! Anything is possible. Perhaps we should bring in Todd Collins again to rally the troops :) just joking about the Collins part

[give_portis_the_rock]

I think we will go 10-6 and slide in at the #6 slot. Then we will go on the road to beat Arizona in the desert then we will go back to NY and beat the giants in the meadowlands. It's going to be sweet. Then we will have to travel to Carolina to take on the Panthers.

NOOOOOOO
That was the scenario I was thinking but I didnt mention it because it would jinx the Skins. Now you've said it out loud. :smash: :(

[Skins7ny]

Unless we can pull a decent OL out of our fannies this week, I don't see how we make the playoffs. The other teams have our blueprint now. Coach needs to shake it up completely in order not to be humiliated in front of his hometown audience.

Our OL was excellent for the first part of the season. If they can get back to that, then we have a better than decent OL. Samuels has been hurt, and Rabach has played like Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde (or like the little girl with the curl, for those of you who remember Ken Beatrice). They have the ability to play very well, and did so in the beginning of the year. Their performance the last few weeks has made the first few weeks seem like a distant memory, but they are capable of playing well.

If they approach their performance of earlier this season, we make the playoffs.