An idea to jumpstart the passing game

[give_portis_the_rock]

How about some more designed running plays for Jason? Notice how much running room he had on that draw play against Dallas. The quarterback draw is a perfect way to counter teams that bring pressure off the edge. If we make them respect the draw play, they might be forced to make their DEs play containment. And THEN Jason can have the time he needs to let the plays fully develop and to go through his progressions.

I mean I don't know jack about football, I never coached or anything like that, I might be wrong. But it seems like we are not utilizing this skill set of Jason. He has pretty good speed and quickness, but the most important thing is, defensive backs can't bring him down. When he gets into the secondary, it's over.

I think this would open up our offence because it would give the opposing defences something to respect other than Clinton Portis running the football (I don't count Tana because he is most dangerous on deep routes -- as long as they dial up pressure on Campbell, the deep passing game won't be any threat to them).

:Peace:

[Lavar703]

How about some more designed running plays for Jason? Notice how much running room he had on that draw play against Dallas. The quarterback draw is a perfect way to counter teams that bring pressure off the edge. If we make them respect the draw play, they might be forced to make their DEs play containment. And THEN Jason can have the time he needs to let the plays fully develop and to go through his progressions.

I mean I don't know jack about football, I never coached or anything like that, I might be wrong. But it seems like we are not utilizing this skill set of Jason. He has pretty good speed and quickness, but the most important thing is, defensive backs can't bring him down. When he gets into the secondary, it's over.

I think this would open up our offence because it would give the opposing defences something to respect other than Clinton Portis running the football (I don't count Tana because he is most dangerous on deep routes -- as long as they dial up pressure on Campbell, the deep passing game won't be any threat to them).

:Peace:

I dont think its worth risking Campbells health to have him continue to run those QB draws like that, but at the same time they allow Jansen to block for him so there cant be much difference.

[BurgundyNGold]

The QB draw was an audible against a wide 2 man front. I don't think we'll be seeing too many more of those.

[shally]

I dont think its worth risking Campbells health to have him continue to run those QB draws like that, but at the same time they allow Jansen to block for him so there cant be much difference.

+1... not even close to worth that kind of risk

he runs very upright and the collision on that draw was scary to watch

[akhhorus]

The QB draw was an audible against a wide 2 man front. I don't think we'll be seeing too many more of those.

No, but he should have the flexibility to make that switch if he sees a c-2 alignment.

[give_portis_the_rock]

+1... not even close to worth that kind of risk

he runs very upright and the collision on that draw was scary to watch

The problem with that is, he's been getting hit on virtually every play. So health considerations should be thrown out the door. If he's getting hit anyway, I would prefer it would be after gaining yards. And I would also prefer if he got hit by players half his size instead of twice his size. Do Giants fans worry when Plaxico Burress gets tackled? We're talking about the same type of build with Jason (6'5" 230). And I'm not saying it should be a fix in our offense, I just think coach should run the play enough for defences to respect it.

[BurgundyNGold]

No, but he should have the flexibility to make that switch if he sees a c-2 alignment.
And he did. He audibled the long Portis run to the right side too. It's a testament to Campbell's grasping of the offense, IMO.

[Keino]

Here's an idea to jump-start our offense:

Sustain a block, and execute your assignment. Line-up properly and know the snap count. Let Campbell call his own play if you continue to have speaker head-set malfunctions. Burning timeouts over that issue is unacceptable.

[BurgundyNGold]

Here's an idea to jump-start our offense:

Sustain a block, and execute your assignment. Line-up properly and know the snap count. Let Campbell call his own play if you continue to have speaker head-set malfunctions. Burning timeouts over that issue is unacceptable.
Or better yet... Give Shaun (sic) Alexander the ball!

:D

[give_portis_the_rock]

Here's an idea to jump-start our offense:

Sustain a block, and execute your assignment. Line-up properly and know the snap count. Let Campbell call his own play if you continue to have speaker head-set malfunctions. Burning timeouts over that issue is unacceptable.

If every player on every team executed every play perfectly, we wouldn't be watching the games. I would prefer if the Skins could do that (who wouldn't). But since that hasn't been the case in these past two weeks, coach Zorn needs to think of something a little different.

[Keino]

Or better yet... Give Shaun (sic) Alexander the ball!

:D


Funny you should mention that, as I was just updating my sig line........

Someone called into 980 and called him the Tip Toe burglar. It had a nice ring so I added it to my sig
If every player on every team executed every play perfectly, we wouldn't be watching the games. I would prefer if the Skins could do that (who wouldn't). But since that hasn't been the case in these past two weeks, coach Zorn needs to think of something a little different.

Good teams execute more than they do not. We are not a good team. We don't execute when we have to have it. There is always a break-down somewhere and it is usually in protection. We don't give ourselves an opportunity to succeed, because we lack focus and concentration. There is nothing Schematic that will fix what is fundamentally flawed with our offense......

[cal_junior]

Know what would jump start the passing game? Our wide receivers catching passes they get both hands on. Randle El, Thomas and Santana (to name just three) each had drops that would have extended drives or put the team in position to score.

Toss in a few less BS penalties (illegal formation when we don't cover up the RT, etc) and better use of our timeouts and the Skins win Sunday's game by two TDs - even with a banged-up Portis and mediocre pass protection.

[BurgundyNGold]

Funny you should mention that, as I was just updating my sig line........

Someone called into 980 and called him the Tip Toe burglar. It had a nice ring so I added it to my sig


Good teams execute more than they do not. We are not a good team. We don't execute when we have to have it. There is always a break-down somewhere and it is usually in protection. We don't give ourselves an opportunity to succeed, because we lack focus and concentration. There is nothing Schematic that will fix what is fundamentally flawed with our offense......
You'll be disgusted to know two things. First, this is what Deion Sanders calls him on the NFL Network. Second, you have another 2 hours before you can leave work and get home to take a shower (a la "The Crying Game") after putting a Deionism in your sig.

:D

[Keino]

Eh, I don't hate Deion with the same vitriol that most Skins fans do. I mean if Dan Snyder wanted to pay me when I am well past my prime and have battled toe injuries, I'd wear a Burgundy Suit with a Gold Tie and My presser too......and I would laugh all the way to the Bank....

[LATrueRedskin]

Here's an idea to jump-start our offense:

Sustain a block, and execute your assignment. Line-up properly and know the snap count. Let Campbell call his own play if you continue to have speaker head-set malfunctions. Burning timeouts over that issue is unacceptable.

Well said. The best way to get the passing game going is to provide protection for Jason.

Assuming we're doing that, I'd like to see more 2 TE sets in the passing game. Fred Davis and Cooley could do serious damage with short/intermediate routes. Although linebackers are getting more and more athletic these days, I think they would struggle with covering both of those guys.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Here's an idea to jump-start our offense:

Sustain a block, and execute your assignment. Line-up properly and know the snap count. Let Campbell call his own play if you continue to have speaker head-set malfunctions. Burning timeouts over that issue is unacceptable.

precisely...

[BurgundyNGold]

You'll be disgusted to know two things. First, this is what Deion Sanders calls him on the NFL Network. Second, you have another 2 hours before you can leave work and get home to take a shower (a la "The Crying Game") after putting a Deionism in your sig.

:D
Just because he wore a Redskin uniform doesn't make him any less of an annoying idiot. ;)

[shally]

The problem with that is, he's been getting hit on virtually every play. So health considerations should be thrown out the door. If he's getting hit anyway, I would prefer it would be after gaining yards. And I would also prefer if he got hit by players half his size instead of twice his size. Do Giants fans worry when Plaxico Burress gets tackled? We're talking about the same type of build with Jason (6'5" 230). And I'm not saying it should be a fix in our offense, I just think coach should run the play enough for defences to respect it.

disagree completely.. getting hit inthe pocket is a job related risk for a qb.. most of the time, the qb is moving a little and can lessen the impact. that is what zorn has harped on..

running full tilt into a linebacker or safety with a full head of steam is far more likely to cause a catastrophic injury.. qb's are not used to taking head on contact with defenders.. that is why the slide rule was invented in the first part..

jason can move laterally a little, but he has zero skills for crashing directly into defenders..

[akhhorus]

And he did. He audibled the long Portis run to the right side too. It's a testament to Campbell's grasping of the offense, IMO.

Yeah, but I'm worried about Campbell makes the wrong call still, deciding to run and getting bowdened by some overeager Lb corps.

[BurgundyNGold]

Yeah, but I'm worried about Campbell makes the wrong call still, deciding to run and getting bowdened by some overeager Lb corps.
Do they make a butt pad to keep that from happening, lol?

[give_portis_the_rock]

disagree completely.. getting hit inthe pocket is a job related risk for a qb.. most of the time, the qb is moving a little and can lessen the impact. that is what zorn has harped on..

running full tilt into a linebacker or safety with a full head of steam is far more likely to cause a catastrophic injury.. qb's are not used to taking head on contact with defenders.. that is why the slide rule was invented in the first part..

jason can move laterally a little, but he has zero skills for crashing directly into defenders..

I don't know. I don't see a 6'5" 230 pound Campbell getting "jacked up." It took a couple Dallas DBs to bring him down. Of course this could be due to the Cowboys being poor tacklers, I dont know.

[AliBabba]

I don't know. I don't see a 6'5" 230 pound Campbell getting "jacked up." It took a couple Dallas DBs to bring him down. Of course this could be due to the Cowboys being poor tacklers, I dont know.
The issue is not his size nor his toughness. If we expose him to more hits, especially downfield where the tacklers can be coming from more angles, then we are increasing the chance he gets hurt. Add to that the fact that he would be running and possibly diving which increases the risk of leg and shoulder/neck injuries.

I think everyone would agree that 15+ hits to JC in a game is way too much. Ask him to run 5 times and that increases his hits 33%, three times and its still 20%. I'm all for taking the occasional chance on a run, and audibling every single time he sees a mismatch like the play that Ratliff shaded over on, but I don't think that adding QB running plays to the regular game plan is prudent.

[hail2skins]

The problem with that is, he's been getting hit on virtually every play. So health considerations should be thrown out the door. If he's getting hit anyway, I would prefer it would be after gaining yards. And I would also prefer if he got hit by players half his size instead of twice his size. Do Giants fans worry when Plaxico Burress gets tackled? We're talking about the same type of build with Jason (6'5" 230). And I'm not saying it should be a fix in our offense, I just think coach should run the play enough for defences to respect it.This comparison to Burress doesn't make sense.

[hockeygoalie29]

I've always thought that Jason had the opposite problem that most young QBs had in that he doesn't run enough. Most young QBs take a quick look at their first and possibly 2nd reads then take off if the guy's not 100% open. Campbell seems to try too hard to wait for a play to develop and only runs when he's flushed from the pocket.

The most recent example is the 4th and 4 at the end of the game. Moss was obviously covered but Campbell tried to force him the ball instead of running for the first down even though there looked (on TV) to be nothing but green grass in front of him.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I've always thought that Jason had the opposite problem that most young QBs had in that he doesn't run enough. Most young QBs take a quick look at their first and possibly 2nd reads then take off if the guy's not 100% open. Campbell seems to try too hard to wait for a play to develop and only runs when he's flushed from the pocket.

The most recent example is the 4th and 4 at the end of the game. Moss was obviously covered but Campbell tried to force him the ball instead of running for the first down even though there looked (on TV) to be nothing but green grass in front of him.

I agree. I guess if you want to be one way or the other, it is better to have the guy that runs less. But our offense really clicks when there is the added threat of JC running for a first down when nothing is open downfield.

[LATrueRedskin]

I've always thought that Jason had the opposite problem that most young QBs had in that he doesn't run enough. Most young QBs take a quick look at their first and possibly 2nd reads then take off if the guy's not 100% open. Campbell seems to try too hard to wait for a play to develop and only runs when he's flushed from the pocket.

The most recent example is the 4th and 4 at the end of the game. Moss was obviously covered but Campbell tried to force him the ball instead of running for the first down even though there looked (on TV) to be nothing but green grass in front of him.

I agree that Campbell should be running more. He's athletic enough to gain good yardage, he could catch some cornerbacks peeking and exploit them. At our current stage, we need any and every suggestion to get this passing game going.

[bfauble83]

I've always thought that Jason had the opposite problem that most young QBs had in that he doesn't run enough. Most young QBs take a quick look at their first and possibly 2nd reads then take off if the guy's not 100% open. Campbell seems to try too hard to wait for a play to develop and only runs when he's flushed from the pocket.

The most recent example is the 4th and 4 at the end of the game. Moss was obviously covered but Campbell tried to force him the ball instead of running for the first down even though there looked (on TV) to be nothing but green grass in front of him.


My seat is in the opposite end zone and I was yelling for him to run left he looked like he could have gotten well past 1st down yardage.

[wide_awake]

I'd like to see more QB rollout plays, move the pocket so Campbell can see the rush coming.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I'd like to see more QB rollout plays, move the pocket so Campbell can see the rush coming.

Cleveland has used a lot of that the last two games with Quinn starting now. It has really jump started their offense.

[BurgundyNGold]

Cleveland has used a lot of that the last two games with Quinn starting now. It has really jump started their offense.
Cleveland also uses an overloaded OL to protect the QB and to run the ball. ;)

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Cleveland also uses an overloaded OL to protect the QB and to run the ball. ;)

It didn't hurt that the first game was against the Broncos defense. I swear I could have a good game against them. But the Bills defense is generally stout.

[urobm]

I'd like to see more QB rollout plays, move the pocket so Campbell can see the rush coming.


Everything should be considered but PLEASE NO MORE SCREENS!

[BurgundyNGold]

It didn't hurt that the first game was against the Broncos defense. I swear I could have a good game against them. But the Bills defense is generally stout.
They might be onto something there. This is a copycat league. The Wildcat formation has spread to about 30-40% of the teams. I would think that continued success of the overloaded OL will spread, as well.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

They might be onto something there. This is a copycat league. The Wildcat formation has spread to about 30-40% of the teams. I would think that continued success of the overloaded OL will spread, as well.

Someone (maybe JLC) has written asking why are we not using the wildcat. It's a good question considering we have two good backs in Betts and Portis (like Miami uses Brown and Williams at the same time) and a WR who played QB in college.

[skinsfan36]

how about we just take more chances instead of 3 more passes and oh yeah frickin block somebody!