Gatewood to the Chiefs...Skins sign Octavien

[shally]

move that quietly happened and reported by Jasno today

Kansas City signed Curtis Gatewood- LB off of our PS to their roster.

in his place we signed Steve Octavien LB, who had been a chief's signee but never made the roster or PS

too bad.. i had hoped that gatewood develop enough to get a shot next year.. but we should take it as a compliment that this is the second young player signed off our PS to another team's roster this year.. at least some of the other teams appear to like our scouting..

[Skins7ny]

That stinks. I was hoping that Gatewood would compete for a roster spot next year. He and Crummey were my 2 favorite undrafted free agent signings, and now they are both gone. Although I got the feeling that we weren't that impressed with him this pre-season when we cut him off the PS early in the year.

There is no one else on our PS currently who I think has a decent shot at making the team next year. Devin Clark is probably our best prospect on the PS.

[BurgundyNGold]

Ugh. Yet another one of our PS going to another team instead of to our roster. I hated to see Crummey go because I thought we could have used him on the active roster instead of some of the dead wood that was there. I was also hoping to just IR Marcus Washington and promote Gatewood. The FO is really dropping the ball on our PS.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

The Skins needed to sign Vince Hall to the PS. He would be a great developing LB for us, but no they don't .

[redskin_rich]

When was the last time a PS player made it on the team and actually made a solid contribution?

[BurgundyNGold]

When was the last time a PS player made it on the team and actually made a solid contribution?
On our team or another? ;)

[Keino]

Ugh. Yet another one of our PS going to another team instead of to our roster. I hated to see Crummey go because I thought we could have used him on the active roster instead of some of the dead wood that was there. I was also hoping to just IR Marcus Washington and promote Gatewood. The FO is really dropping the ball on our PS.

Vinny has a radio show to do. What, you expect him to actively manage the roster to try to improve it?

[BurgundyNGold]

Vinny has a radio show to do. What, you expect him to actively manage the roster to try to improve it?
Apparently, not until March, lol.

[shally]

When was the last time a PS player made it on the team and actually made a solid contribution?


very good point.. i am struggling to think of any,and the only ones i can come up with are christian morton and d patterson who played db for us and might still be inthe league. garnell wilds had one great game covering randy moss.

actually i do know of one.. cornell green was a OT who started on our PS and who is STILL inthe nfl.. he is someone's starting tackle this year...

[JsMaViSd]

what about Matt Sinclair? wasnt he on PS?

[Keino]

very good point.. i am struggling to think of any,and the only ones i can come up with are christian morton and d patterson who played db for us and might still be inthe league. garnell wilds had one great game covering randy moss.

actually i do know of one.. cornell green was a OT who started on our PS and who is STILL inthe nfl.. he is someone's starting tackle this year...

Wasn't Chris Clemons a Practice Squad guy who became a pass rush specialist for us and is now a a significant contributor for the Eagles?

[JsMaViSd]

Wasn't Chris Clemons a Practice Squad guy who became a pass rush specialist for us and is now a a significant contributor for the Eagles?

yes i believe so

[redskin_rich]

Wasn't Chris Clemons a Practice Squad guy who became a pass rush specialist for us and is now a a significant contributor for the Eagles?
His brother Nik was on our PS but I think Cris was always on our roster or IR.

[BurgundyNGold]

what about Matt Sinclair? wasnt he on PS?
This is a joke, right?

[AliBabba]

Ugh. Yet another one of our PS going to another team instead of to our roster. I hated to see Crummey go because I thought we could have used him on the active roster instead of some of the dead wood that was there. I was also hoping to just IR Marcus Washington and promote Gatewood. The FO is really dropping the ball on our PS.

Vinny has a radio show to do. What, you expect him to actively manage the roster to try to improve it?

I'm gonna sound like a FO apologist for this but, come on. I would have loved to see Crummey, a Terp (easy Rich, lol), make the team. But the fact is we didn't have a roster spot for him. Gatewood's situation is even more improbable in terms of making the active roster.

Again I would love to have been able to keep both these guys but only to see what they could do next year. Clearly we are in desperate need of youth next year @ OL and OLB with a dearth of quality picks. However, we simply do not have the room on the active roster for them now. If you feel otherwise tell me who we'd drop to keep these two.....

Keino, I pre-emptively remove Keebler's tip-tap-toeing arse from discussion b/c we are thin at RB and that roster spot would be Marcus Mason or Tatum Bell or some other back's but not these guys....

[Keino]

His brother Nik was on our PS but I think Cris was always on our roster or IR.

I thought we elevated Chris after Lavar went down with injury. I could be wrong.....

[Keino]

I'm gonna sound like a FO apologist for this but, come on. I would have loved to see Crummey, a Terp (easy Rich, lol), make the team. But the fact is we didn't have a roster spot for him. Gatewood's situation is even more improbable in terms of making the active roster.

Again I would love to have been able to keep both these guys but only to see what they could do next year. Clearly we are in desperate need of youth next year @ OL and OLB with a dearth of quality picks. However, we simply do not have the room on the active roster for them now. If you feel otherwise tell me who we'd drop to keep these two.....

Keino, I pre-emptively remove Keebler's tip-tap-toeing arse from discussion b/c we are thin at RB and that roster spot would be Marcus Mason or Tatum Bell or some other back's but not these guys....

For the most part I agree with you, but we aren't using Keebler, so why not just Give Rock his 1 or 2 carries per game?

[shally]

For the most part I agree with you, but we aren't using Keebler, so why not just Give Rock his 1 or 2 carries per game?

i have come around to that position.. you were right all along, we should have signed mason

and when the chiefs said they were signing gatewood, we should have cut keebler and brought up gatewood..

[redskin_rich]

i have come around to that position.. you were right all along, we should have signed mason

and when the chiefs said they were signing gatewood, we should have cut keebler and brought up gatewood..

We're kind of stuck with twinkle toes right now, since Betts is hurt again. I would like to see Alexander actually get a few more carries in a game, to see if there is anything left. Hard to judge what little work he has gotten. This would be a good week for it.

[AliBabba]

We're kind of stuck with twinkle toes right now, since Betts is hurt again. I would like to see Alexander actually get a few more carries in a game, to see if there is anything left. Hard to judge what little work he has gotten. This would be a good week for it.
He had one carry last week and missed the hole by no less than 3 feet (that's over over 15 twinkle toes)

[Keino]

We're kind of stuck with twinkle toes right now, since Betts is hurt again. I would like to see Alexander actually get a few more carries in a game, to see if there is anything left. Hard to judge what little work he has gotten. This would be a good week for it.

Unfortunately, this is about where I am on the issue. But then again, I also thought that we should have kept Leigh Torrence and cut Keebler or Tryon.

[Keino]

He had one carry last week and missed the hole by no less than 3 feet (that's over over 15 twinkle toes)


Yes. The hole was actually there and he ran straight into the pile. Portis was disgusted and hobbled in the game and tapped Tip-Toe out of the game.....

[redskin_rich]

He had one carry last week and missed the hole by no less than 3 feet (that's over over 15 twinkle toes)

That hole closed up so fast, I don't think he ever had a chance at it, at least from my perspective.

[AliBabba]

For the most part I agree with you, but we aren't using Keebler, so why not just Give Rock his 1 or 2 carries per game?
I can't imagine what would happen to our ST unit if Rock hurt himself too .... however, Keebler's completely worthless and as far as I know there is zilch out there, I mean the Broncos brought back Tatum Bell and now Tampa needs another RB too......

[AliBabba]

That hole closed up so fast, I don't think he ever had a chance at it, at least from my perspective.
This was another play I had a clear shot of. The hole was left of where he ran a good 3-4 feet and he just ran right into the line ... had he hit the hole he would have gained a minimum of 2-3 before undoubtedly going down at first (or near-first) contact

[Keino]

That hole closed up so fast, I don't think he ever had a chance at it, at least from my perspective.

We will never know, because he ran away from it.......

Frankly Ali, I don't see Rock as Invaluable. The guy makes 2 bad plays for every good play he makes. The Kickoff return was great, but the diving uneccesarily on the downed punt and the Fielding of the Kickoff with his shoulder pad....ummmm Not so much.

[BurgundyNGold]

That hole closed up so fast, I don't think he ever had a chance at it, at least from my perspective.
Speaking of holes, do you remember the size of the hole Rock had to run through on that long KO return? It was like he was shocked to see it there, lol. He went through it in slow motion, I thought. If we had someone back there with a bit of burst, that KO return could have been housed.

[Keino]

Speaking of holes, do you remember the size of the hole Rock had to run through on that long KO return? It was like he was shocked to see it there, lol. He went through it in slow motion, I thought. If we had someone back there with a bit of burst, that KO return could have been housed.

An Explosive Kick returner? Surely you jest.

[BurgundyNGold]

An Explosive Kick returner? Surely you jest.
KO returns are set up such that the returner usually has one man to beat -- the kicker. And it just seems that Rock can never get by the kicker.

[AliBabba]

When I say that I can't imagine ST without Rock it's more a comment on the lack of depth we have than anything else. I also felt that the KO should have been returned to the house but who's next after Rock, Betts? What about coverage, he made mistakes yes but he's still the best we have right now.

[BurgundyNGold]

When I say that I can't imagine ST without Rock it's more a comment on the lack of depth we have than anything else. I also felt that the KO should have been returned to the house but who's next after Rock, Betts? What about coverage, he made mistakes yes but he's still the best we have right now.
Thomas and Tryon have both returned KO in college. Not that I'd advocate that change now, but I think we're definitely going to have to address it in camp next year.

[shally]

Speaking of holes, do you remember the size of the hole Rock had to run through on that long KO return? It was like he was shocked to see it there, lol. He went through it in slow motion, I thought. If we had someone back there with a bit of burst, that KO return could have been housed.

absolutely !! if that was tryon, it would have been a TD

[JsMaViSd]

When I say that I can't imagine ST without Rock it's more a comment on the lack of depth we have than anything else. I also felt that the KO should have been returned to the house but who's next after Rock, Betts? What about coverage, he made mistakes yes but he's still the best we have right now.

my thoughts exactly.

[AliBabba]

Thomas and Tryon have both returned KO in college. Not that I'd advocate that change now, but I think we're definitely going to have to address it in camp next year.
Agreed, I think it'd be foolish to think that Zorn would trust the rooks right now considering his track record (Horton notwithstanding) with them thus far.

O/T: now that Springles may be back do you think Horton goes to the bench soon? I mean they may look to protect Springs' hoo-hoo and allow him to play some safety. Get Landry up on the LOS again and allow them to take stock of what they have in D-Hall before next season.

[Biggie]

O/T: now that Springles may be back do you think Horton goes to the bench soon? I mean they may look to protect Springs' hoo-hoo and allow him to play some safety. Get Landry up on the LOS again and allow them to take stock of what they have in D-Hall before next season.
Hell no. Horton actually makes a huge impact on this defense. Now that Washington's out, I'd actually say that we just run out of that cobra with Springs as the third safety and two linebackers.

And that's why I'm not a coach. :)

[BurgundyNGold]

Agreed, I think it'd be foolish to think that Zorn would trust the rooks right now considering his track record (Horton notwithstanding) with them thus far.

O/T: now that Springles may be back do you think Horton goes to the bench soon? I mean they may look to protect Springs' hoo-hoo and allow him to play some safety. Get Landry up on the LOS again and allow them to take stock of what they have in D-Hall before next season.
I would think we'd see more Cobra. The again, I thought we'd see Cobra against Dallas, given how effective it was against them in the first meeting.

[silverspring]

For the most part I agree with you, but we aren't using Keebler, so why not just Give Rock his 1 or 2 carries per game?

I couldn't agree with this position more. If we are going to use him for < 5 carries a game then he is a waste of a roster spot. Rock is just as capable and even though he isn't a great blocker he is a much more capable blocker then alexander.

[silverspring]

O/T: now that Springles may be back do you think Horton goes to the bench soon? I mean they may look to protect Springs' hoo-hoo and allow him to play some safety. Get Landry up on the LOS again and allow them to take stock of what they have in D-Hall before next season.


With our secondary, i would guess that we won't last too long without an injury to springs/smoot/rogers.

[AliBabba]

With our secondary, i would guess that we won't last too long without an injury to springs/smoot/rogers.
As long as its a long enough look to hammer down the last nail in the coffin of Springles' '09 season while giving the coaches a chance to see whether or not Meangelo's actually lost it at 24 I think it may be worth it ....

[skinsfan36]

absolutely !! if that was tryon, it would have been a TD

or devin thomas he was a beast at mich st at kick returns

[skinsfan36]

and i wanted to see what the kid had. two guys off our practice squad in 3 weeks and old vets not getting the job done in front of them ugh(mw!)

[sinskin]

You know we spent a draft pick on a punter that was so bad he only lasted 6 weeks.... why cant we draft a kick returner that will make a impact and possibly account for some game breakers. Why cant we take a chance on Thomas or tyron for this or even Hall... it cannot be any worse then it is... and even if we fumble back there once or twice we live with it... but something has got to give here.

[shally]

You know we spent a draft pick on a punter that was so bad he only lasted 6 weeks.... why cant we draft a kick returner that will make a impact and possibly account for some game breakers. Why cant we take a chance on Thomas or tyron for this or even Hall... it cannot be any worse then it is... and even if we fumble back there once or twice we live with it... but something has got to give here.

i think the "fumble once in a while", is unacceptable to the coaches.. that is why we have rock doing it..

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Octavien was quite a player at Nebraska. Supposedly he was passed in the draft cause of his inability to stay healthy and a broken leg. I would like to see him do well, but Gatewood is a loss. They should try to get Vince Hall from Tech on the PS, now that guy was a baller.