Heyer should be starting again...

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Stephon Heyer should be back in the starting line up. It was clear to me after the Pittsburgh game, that we need to get Jansen off the field and get the kid back in. Heyer has a great future, whether it is here or somewhere else, probably depends on if he gets to play. Someone like him, who is young with raw talent needs to be used or we will lose him to another team. When his contract comes back up, if he is not playing here, he will go to where he can play. Jansen has had his hands full for 2 games where he could not keep up. I think now is the time to go back to Heyer at RT. It just might help our passing game.

[urobm]

Jansen's tenure here has been appreciated, and he is still a solid run blocker, but he was absolutely abused the past few weeks and eventhough Heyer my not be a better run blocker, he does a better job of keeping Campbell upright.

[BurgundyNGold]

We need to do the overloaded OL, I say!

[shally]

agree. time for a change.. but i dont think it will happen unless jansen gets hurt

[Lavar703]

agree. time for a change.. but i dont think it will happen unless jansen gets hurt

Which is ridiculous. Jansen was flat out beaten by Heyer in the preseason and lost his job, but Heyer loses his job due to injury, what a joke.

[urobm]

Which is ridiculous. Jansen was flat out beaten by Heyer in the preseason and lost his job, but Heyer loses his job due to injury, what a joke.

I agree, if Heyer is healthy he needs to be in there.

[redskin_rich]

Probably should make the change. Though Heyer was destroyed the last time he played in Seattle, hopefully Kerney doesn't play this week.

[JsMaViSd]

i agree. Heyer has a much better upside.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I guess for Zorn it comes down a trade off. What we gain in the running game by having Jansen in is greater than what we're losing in the passing game. I'm not sure if that is the case anymore.

[BurgundyNGold]

I guess for Zorn it comes down a trade off. What we gain in the running game by having Jansen in is greater than what we're losing in the passing game. I'm not sure if that is the case anymore.
Not being able to run to the right side all of the time versus losing 5, 10 or more yards on sacks 2 or 3 times a game doesn't seem to be much of a choice. Especially since the latter can get your starting QB killed.

[akhhorus]

We need to do the overloaded OL, I say!

At the very least, yeah. That make it very tough to blitz Campbell from the edges. And you can still send Cooley out on patterns.

[urobm]

Probably should make the change. Though Heyer was destroyed the last time he played in Seattle, hopefully Kerney doesn't play this week.

Forgot about that. How do you think Jansen would have fared?

[redskin_rich]

Forgot about that. How do you think Jansen would have fared?

Right now, I don't think Jansen would fare any better against Kerney. I do worry about the noise in Seattle and think Jansen might be less prone to jump offsides.

Regardless, our offense has been stagnant for over a month now, so some changes need to be made. Play Heyer over Jansen and Thomas and Kelly over ARE and Thrash.

[BurgundyNGold]

Right now, I don't think Jansen would fare any better against Kerney. I do worry about the noise in Seattle and think Jansen might be less prone to jump offsides.

Regardless, our offense has been stagnant for over a month now, so some changes need to be made. Play Heyer over Jansen and Thomas and Kelly over ARE and Thrash.
Great post. I agree 100%. :awesomewo

[urobm]

Right now, I don't think Jansen would fare any better against Kerney. I do worry about the noise in Seattle and think Jansen might be less prone to jump offsides.

Regardless, our offense has been stagnant for over a month now, so some changes need to be made. Play Heyer over Jansen and Thomas and Kelly over ARE and Thrash.

BINGO! Seattle is very tough to play in and as far as switching things up, could the passing game get any worse by doing a little shuffling.

[jaylen]

The age of our line is showing bigtime with Thomas, Rabach Samuels and Jansen all having major breakdowns causing pressure and bad plays.

Heyer should be re-inserted JZ's instincts were right about the move. As the season has worn on and aches and pains have taken hold our line is cracking bigtime.

Heyer can take the 30-35 pass rushes a game Jansen can't.

I'm surprised its took teams this long to lock into what we were doing offensively.

[JsMaViSd]

Right now, I don't think Jansen would fare any better against Kerney. I do worry about the noise in Seattle and think Jansen might be less prone to jump offsides.

Regardless, our offense has been stagnant for over a month now, so some changes need to be made. Play Heyer over Jansen and Thomas and Kelly over ARE and Thrash.

completely agree. show a signal to the current starters. something to light a fire.

[BSMKF]

Everybody blames the O-Line problems on Jansen.....but bottom line is the whole O-Line is stinking it up right now.

[skinsfan36]

agreed and id also like to see a tackle eligible play with chad"mauler in preseason" rinehart

[shally]

Everybody blames the O-Line problems on Jansen.....but bottom line is the whole O-Line is stinking it up right now.

except for samuels, that is true.. that is why the problem is so serious

[redskin_rich]

except for samuels, that is true.. that is why the problem is so serious

Kendall is playing pretty well, which is funny because I have never seen a current player look so old as Kendall does just jogging onto the field.

[nicefellow31]

If I remember correctly, Jansen was working as a backup C during training camp. Not sure how that worked out but, what do you guys think of him replacing Rabach next year? He won't be seeing the speed rushers and his strength could work against some of the bigger DTs. Dan Dierdorf and Bruce Matthews are two dominant tackles who ended their careers as centers. Maybe Jansen can do it too.

[redskin_rich]

If I remember correctly, Jansen was working as a backup C during training camp. Not sure how that worked out but, what do you guys think of him replacing Rabach next year? He won't be seeing the speed rushers and his strength could work against some of the bigger DTs. Dan Dierdorf and Bruce Matthews are two dominant tackles who ended their careers as centers. Maybe Jansen can do it too.
Good point, nicefellow!
It would certainly help JC in not having to get so low for the snap.
I've always thought that the Center has to be pretty nimble of feet though, since they are the pivot. Though, they don't have to cover the amount of space in as short of time as a Tackle does.

[shally]

Kendall is playing pretty well, which is funny because I have never seen a current player look so old as Kendall does just jogging onto the field.

you are correct, although at times he looks like he is on his last legs...

[PHIL32]

We need to start Heyer now.Agree that it is a trade off Jansen better run blocker Heyer better pass protection.Our number one priority has to be pass protection and health protection for Campbell.The Giants,Steelers and
Cowgirls have all exposed poor pass protection.

Besides starting Heyer if neccesary add Yoder or Alexander as extra TE.We must protect JC for the deep passing game and stretch run.





:dalassuk::moon1:

[Lavar703]

Everybody blames the O-Line problems on Jansen.....but bottom line is the whole O-Line is stinking it up right now.

I understand that the line as a whole has been below average lately but Jansens play sticks out like a sore thumb.

[shally]

I understand that the line as a whole has been below average lately but Jansens play sticks out like a sore thumb.

because when he messes up it usually results in JC getting clobbered

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I wouldn't mind if they just brought in Heyer on 3rd downs, totally unconventional, but Jansen has no footwork anymore. It's like concrete in his shoes. I like Jon too, but I just am ready for our QB to have more time.

[BurgundyNGold]

I wouldn't mind if they just brought in Heyer on 3rd downs, totally unconventional, but Jansen has no footwork anymore. It's like concrete in his shoes. I like Jon too, but I just am ready for our QB to have more time.
The problem is with that idea is that you'd effectively be telegraphing the pass. It also somewhat limits your ability to throw on 1st and 2nd downs if Jansen is in the game then.

[saviour]

Maybe its just me but was Jansen really the big problem against Dallas or is it easier to pick on him at this point? If I remember correctly Rabach was beaten twice by Ratliff and has been pretty much owned the past few weeks, and the other sack was given up by a hampered Chris Samuels.

We put Heyer in the lineup and Rabach will still get beat by a good DT which keeps Thomas and Kendall's head on a swivel and Samuels will still be hurt, and our receivers will still have to get open. (Which has not been happening)

Jansen is clearly not who he once was but replacing him will not solve all of our problems in our passing game. Just my opinion.

[BurgundyNGold]

Maybe its just me but was Jansen really the big problem against Dallas or is it easier to pick on him at this point? If I remember correctly Rabach was beaten twice by Ratliff and has been pretty much owned the past few weeks, and the other sack was given up by a hampered Chris Samuels.

We put Heyer in the lineup and Rabach will still get beat by a good DT which keeps Thomas and Kendall's head on a swivel and Samuels will still be hurt, and our receivers will still have to get open. (Which has not been happening)

Jansen is clearly not who he once was but replacing him will not solve all of our problems in our passing game. Just my opinion.
I would say that Jansen is a big problem on multiple levels. Even if his side is not giving up big pressure on passing downs, you have to help Jansen by lining up a TE tight on his side fairly often. During the Dallass game, I don't recall seeing Cooley or Davis help out Samuels on Ware once, primarily because they were lining up tight to help give a chip off of the right side.

[nicefellow31]

The problem is with that idea is that you'd effectively be telegraphing the pass. It also somewhat limits your ability to throw on 1st and 2nd downs if Jansen is in the game then.

Well it could kind of work like bringing in extra receivers. If it is 3rd and 12 nobody things you are going to pass so I say bring Heyer in. Or you could mix it up. Bring Heyer in, call a run. Jansen in, call a pass. Unusual yes, but probably no more so than when George Allen started using nickle back. Try it out and see what happens.

[BurgundyNGold]

Well it could kind of work like bringing in extra receivers. If it is 3rd and 12 nobody things you are going to pass so I say bring Heyer in. Or you could mix it up. Bring Heyer in, call a run. Jansen in, call a pass. Unusual yes, but probably no more so than when George Allen started using nickle back. Try it out and see what happens.
Apropos of nothing, but I thought it was a stroke of moron to put Campbell under center on 3rd and 13 on one of his sacks. Everybody knew he had to pass. He should have been in shotgun; at least then he could have had 2 or 3 extra seconds to make a read and a throw.

[Oregonian]

Maybe its just me but was Jansen really the big problem against Dallas or is it easier to pick on him at this point? If I remember correctly Rabach was beaten twice by Ratliff and has been pretty much owned the past few weeks, and the other sack was given up by a hampered Chris Samuels.


It was actually Thomas who got badly beaten by Ratliff on at least his second sack. Watch this highlight video at 8:01 into it.

Week 11: Cowboys vs Redskins Game of the Week (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c9f64c)

You'll also notice that although Jansen does not allow the sack on this play, he is bullrushed practically straight into Campbell, contributing to the disruption of the pocket and showing just how easy it has become to push him around.

Personally, I don't like picking on Jansen. He is very likable and a good guy. I think for backup duty he is probably better than what most teams have. But if you look closely at what is happening in pass protection, he just seems to have become a really weak link.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Yeah, that sack was on Thomas, I was surprised, but his wheels are not what they were 3 years ago, but he's still good.
Zaban on the radio was talking about Rabach yesterday and Andy Polin was saying the holding calls on Rabach are a clear signal that he is getting beat alot.

[skinsfan36]

heres a question. next year do we move rabach to guard and draft alex mack? then we could have samuels,rabach,mack,thomas,heyer with rinehart,clark,jansen on the bench

[shally]

heres a question. next year do we move rabach to guard and draft alex mack? then we could have samuels,rabach,mack,thomas,heyer with rinehart,clark,jansen on the bench

rabach moving to guard is like raymer moving to guard-- end of his career..