Bill Cowher

[Sean T RIP]

This team has been outcoached and out sceemed to the point where if he wants to coach pay him what he wants

[hail2skins]

I'm sad to see this post. Truly sadden.

[smoak]

I'm sad to see this post. Truly sadden.

Completely agree. I'm even more sadden that part of me agrees. The intellectual side says you can't bail on Zorny yet, but the emotional side wants to shove a half gallon of vanilla where the sun don't shine.

[LATrueRedskin]

I'm not ready to bail on Jim Zorn after we played the top 4 defenses in football and lost. It just shows we're not yet an elite team. Is that a surprise to anybody? Yes, I'm disappointed, especially after the hot start, but I'll give Zorn a while to build a program to his liking. My problem seems to be with the person who signs and drafts the player personnel, not the head coach.

[Farmer Ted]

Sad X 3. I was actually thinking on the way in to work this morning that dumping Cerrato and Zorn and bringing in Cowher might just be the thing to do in a month.

[Lavar703]

I dont know if Cowher will work for this team honestly. Hes a great coach but I dont think he will put up with Cerratos crap and im about 95% sure Cerrato is the reason nobody wanted this job to begin with. We have our own Matt Millen situation here, like it or not, Cerrato is a terrible GM and has no business being in charge of a team. I thought Zorn was going to make me eat crow after the 6-2 start but his inexperience is really starting to show and his play calling is putrid.

[Epochalypse]

I'm not ready to bail on Jim Zorn after we played the top 4 defenses in football and lost. It just shows we're not yet an elite team. Is that a surprise to anybody? Yes, I'm disappointed, especially after the hot start, but I'll give Zorn a while to build a program to his liking. My problem seems to be with the person who signs and drafts the player personnel, not the head coach.

Agree the reason we couldn't get anyone to coach here in the first place is because no head coach wants to deal with the FO the way they've acted in the past. At the very least if the FO wants to change that image, they need to give Zorn time to see if he can succeed.

[Biggie]

It's sad how little patience this fanbase has. It's even sadder that the franchise itself has even less.

[akhhorus]

It's sad how little patience this fanbase has.

Amen.

It's even sadder that the franchise itself has even less.

Also an amen.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Completely agree. I'm even more sadden that part of me agrees. The intellectual side says you can't bail on Zorny yet, but the emotional side wants to shove a half gallon of vanilla where the sun don't shine.

I agree with you, but i lose more and more respect for Zorn with each passing game. Every week, after every loss, he continues to point fingers at the players lack of execution, while saying that the scheme and his playcalling are fine.

Zorn is very open and honest with the media. If he beleived he were part of the problem, he would admit it. The fact that he is blind to his own defficiencies (i know i spelled that wrong), makes me lose all respect for him.

The fact that he wouuld allow Stump Mitchell to bench a perfectly healthy Clinton Portis in such an important game... is inexcusable. Then, sending in our backup center to play LT against Terrell BLEEPING Suggs without any TE help is down-right moronic.

I am on the coach Chin bandwagon if only for the fact that he would want total control of football operations and this would mean the end of Vinny Cerrato. We have an elite defense despite the fact that we have ZERO pass rush. Instead of upgrading our lines in the draft, we get 3 pass catchers in the 2nd round when they can barely get on the field. I gave Vinny a pass for that decision up until now because I thought the decision was based on the belief that we had some diamonds in the rough in guys like Heyer, Crummey, Montgommery, Golston, Buzbee, and Jackson. Well thats just not the case, is it? Vinny hasn't done his job. The problems with our team start with him and he needs to go before the start of Free agency.

[hail2skins]

It's sad how little patience this fanbase has. It's even sadder that the franchise itself has even less.Post of the season right here.

[Lavar703]

It's sad how little patience this fanbase has. It's even sadder that the franchise itself has even less.

Its not that i have no patience with Zorn, its that i have little to no patience for Cerrato. Im tired of him neglecting both lines over and over again and its only going to continue this offseason. He has no idea how to build a football team and has an awful track record in the draft. I was upset from the start with the Zorn hiring, i thought it was a dumb move. But I feel like were stuck with him and its time to let him develop as a coach.

[Axegrinder]

Completely agree. I'm even more sadden that part of me agrees. The intellectual side says you can't bail on Zorny yet, but the emotional side wants to shove a half gallon of vanilla where the sun don't shine.
I share your frustration Smoak, and thanks for making me laugh. I can't pin this on Zorn though, this is a front office problem. They need to take a class in Football 101. The game is won or lost in the trenches! Why they have refused to fix this problem is beyond me. Hell, we haven't had a pass rush in nearly20 years!

Would someone please call Casserly!

[redskin_rich]

It's sad how little patience this fanbase has. It's even sadder that the franchise itself has even less.

It rarely works out well when a new coach and his team go backwards in their first season.

That said, making snap decisions hasn't worked out well for us, so I would just as soon give Zorn another year but there had better be progress next time.

[hail2skins]

I agree with you, but i lose more and more respect for Zorn with each passing game. Every week, after every loss, he continues to point fingers at the players lack of execution, while saying that the scheme and his playcalling are fine.

Zorn is very open and honest with the media. If he beleived he were part of the problem, he would admit it. The fact that he is blind to his own defficiencies (i know i spelled that wrong), makes me lose all respect for him.

The fact that he wouuld allow Stump Mitchell to bench a perfectly healthy Clinton Portis in such an important game... is inexcusable. Then, sending in our backup center to play LT against Terrell BLEEPING Suggs without any TE help is down-right moronic.

I am on the coach Chin bandwagon if only for the fact that he would want total control of football operations and this would mean the end of Vinny Cerrato. We have an elite defense despite the fact that we have ZERO pass rush. Instead of upgrading our lines in the draft, we get 3 pass catchers in the 2nd round when they can barely get on the field. I gave Vinny a pass for that decision up until now because I thought the decision was based on the belief that we had some diamonds in the rough in guys like Heyer, Crummey, Montgommery, Golston, Buzbee, and Jackson. Well thats just not the case, is it? Vinny hasn't done his job. The problems with our team start with him and he needs to go before the start of Free agency.Why do you insist on saying Portis is perfectly healthy? He isn't and everyone knows that. How long did they talk about it at the beginning of the game. Your mentioning of him being perfectly healthy kills any argument you have.

[akhhorus]

It rarely works out well when a new coach and his team go backwards in their first season.


The Pats regressed from 8-8 under Pete Carroll to 5-11 under Belichek in his first year....

[Canuck]

Put me in the group that's against bringing in Cowher. I still like Zorn, I think he knows what he's doing.

As for Vinny boy, I suspect he stays another year but then loses a power struggle with Zorn who instills Holmgren as our GM/Football front office guy. At least I'm hopeful that is what will happen.

[redskin_rich]

The Pats regressed from 8-8 under Pete Carroll to 5-11 under Belichek in his first year....

I fail to see what that has to do with my point. That is two different coaches.
Can you tell me when a 1st year coach and his team regressed this badly in a season and came back stronger?

[BurgundyNGold]

The Pats regressed from 8-8 under Pete Carroll to 5-11 under Belichek in his first year....
That would be the "rarely" caveat, lol.

I expected this team to go 8-8 and then changed to 7-9 after the awful end to the preseason. This team is just straight up regressing. They are getting out physicalled, which is pathetic to watch.

I'd give Zorn 2 more years, but truth be told, the Redskins are committed to the WCO for a while even if Zorn isn't the coach.

[akhhorus]

I fail to see what that has to do with my point. That is two different coaches.
Can you tell me when a 1st year coach and his team regressed this badly in a season and came back stronger?

Okay, I understand what you meant now. I thought you were talking about from old to new coach.

I'd like to see some examples of new coaches who "regressed" like this and how they ended up before drawing conclusions. I wouldn't bring this up until after the season also btw.

[shoogknight]

Regardless of the problems with this team. I am still happier with our team than I would be as a Dallas fan.

They have a terrible(Norv-esque)coach. Way to many premadonnas. Lots of distraction.

And worse, and owner that cannot get out of the way. Regardless of how you feel about Snyder. He has learned he cannot be involved on that level.


Cowboys need cowher not us.

[BSMKF]

The Pats regressed from 8-8 under Pete Carroll to 5-11 under Belichek in his first year....

Thank you......Skin fans need patience IMO. Give Zorn a chance its his first year and he took over a team that has pretty much stunk on offense for the last 5 years and now people expect him to make our offense be a top 5 offense in 1 year?

[Biggie]

Its not that i have no patience with Zorn, its that i have little to no patience for Cerrato. Im tired of him neglecting both lines over and over again and its only going to continue this offseason. He has no idea how to build a football team and has an awful track record in the draft. I was upset from the start with the Zorn hiring, i thought it was a dumb move. But I feel like were stuck with him and its time to let him develop as a coach.
Don't blame Zorn for Cerrato's mistakes, then. Zorn has shown that he is capable of taking a team with a healthy, functional offensive line and getting good production out of it, and we all knew going in that a West Coast offense takes a while to install. Cerrato has shown that anyone, regardless of intelligence, can be the general manager of an NFL franchise.

It rarely works out well when a new coach and his team go backwards in their first season.

That said, making snap decisions hasn't worked out well for us, so I would just as soon give Zorn another year but there had better be progress next time.At worst, we're probably looking at an 8-8 season, and probably at a 9-7 one. For a rookie coach in his first year, that's not a bad start. I know another coach that had a long losing streak and an 8-8 record in his first year. His name was Joe Gibbs. I bet they should have dumped that loser too.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off a little harsh, but this is absolutely ridiculous. This entire board and fanbase was going crazy for Zorn when he was beating Dallas and Philadelphia, and now losing to four of the best defenses in football with a @#%@# offensive line makes him an idiot and a failure. I don't buy it. At all.

[shally]

learning curve

some of the coaching mistakes are painful to watch. but this is the same guy who coached the team to early season victories that had everyone jazzed

this is no "richie pettibone" situation..

[redskin_rich]

At worst, we're probably looking at an 8-8 season, and probably at a 9-7 one. For a rookie coach in his first year, that's not a bad start. I know another coach that had a long losing streak and an 8-8 record in his first year. His name was Joe Gibbs. I bet they should have dumped that loser too.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off a little harsh, but this is absolutely ridiculous. This entire board and fanbase was going crazy for Zorn when he was beating Dallas and Philadelphia, and now losing to four of the best defenses in football with a @#%@# offensive line makes him an idiot and a failure. I don't buy it. At all.

What, are you going to give me a history lesson? Gibbs started 0-5 and finished out 8-8 his first year. The exact opposite of what Zorn has done this year. 8-8 is exactly what I expect to be at the end of the season, now.

[Epochalypse]

That would be the "rarely" caveat, lol.

I expected this team to go 8-8 and then changed to 7-9 after the awful end to the preseason. This team is just straight up regressing. They are getting out physicalled, which is pathetic to watch.

I'd give Zorn 2 more years, but truth be told, the Redskins are committed to the WCO for a while even if Zorn isn't the coach.

I'd submit the regression is largely due to the breaking down of our aging O-line and team finally getting tape on how Zorn calls a game. Give Zorn an offseason to HOPEFULLY bring in some O-line help and HOPEFULLY adjust his own playcalling/management skills and then see what we have. Give him a chance to learn from his mistakes. Anyone who thought it would be all wine and roses for him from the very beginning was delusional.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Why do you insist on saying Portis is perfectly healthy? He isn't and everyone knows that. How long did they talk about it at the beginning of the game. Your mentioning of him being perfectly healthy kills any argument you have.

I suppose that was not the best choice of words. I meant that Portis was not sitting on the bench because he was too injured to play. Portis said he was fine. During the game, the sideline reporters said he was fine. He is healthy enough that he is expected to practice fully for the first time on Wednesday. If he's healthy enough to fully participate in PRACTICE for the first time in months, then why was he sittingon the bench for pretty much the entire second half?

[Dolla Bill]

Being 8-8 after 0-5 is one thing. Going 8-8 after starting 6-2 is another. There could be a possible longterm issue here. Its where you finish, not where you start.

[Lavar703]

Don't blame Zorn for Cerrato's mistakes, then. Zorn has shown that he is capable of taking a team with a healthy, functional offensive line and getting good production out of it, and we all knew going in that a West Coast offense takes a while to install. Cerrato has shown that anyone, regardless of intelligence, can be the general manager of an NFL franchise.

At worst, we're probably looking at an 8-8 season, and probably at a 9-7 one. For a rookie coach in his first year, that's not a bad start. I know another coach that had a long losing streak and an 8-8 record in his first year. His name was Joe Gibbs. I bet they should have dumped that loser too.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off a little harsh, but this is absolutely ridiculous. This entire board and fanbase was going crazy for Zorn when he was beating Dallas and Philadelphia, and now losing to four of the best defenses in football with a @#%@# offensive line makes him an idiot and a failure. I don't buy it. At all.

I hate comparisons like this. Zorn is not Joe Gibbs and to compare there situations is ridiculous. The talent that Zorn has now compared to what kind of talent Gibbs had that season are not even close. Gibbs used what little talent he had and maximized it. Zorn is regressing as a play caller at a rapid pace and teams have figured him out. Im not ready to see him go and would love for him to be succesful, but at this point its not looking good.

[BSMKF]

Skins will go 10-6 at worst 9-7........I don't get this 8-8 talk.

[Lavar703]

Skins will go 10-6 at worst 9-7........I don't get this 8-8 talk.

Seriously, your not understanding how bad this team is right now. We cannot score more than 10 points a game. Were not going to beat anyone on our schedule playing this way.

[dj_stouty]

I'd like to see some examples of new coaches who "regressed" like this and how they ended up before drawing conclusions. I wouldn't bring this up until after the season also btw.

Norv
Childress
Ray Handley
Dungy (TB)
June Jones
Our ole buddy Gregg Williams
Lovie Smith
Dave Campo
Del Rio

Some mixed results...

[BurgundyNGold]

Don't blame Zorn for Cerrato's mistakes, then. Zorn has shown that he is capable of taking a team with a healthy, functional offensive line and getting good production out of it, and we all knew going in that a West Coast offense takes a while to install. Cerrato has shown that anyone, regardless of intelligence, can be the general manager of an NFL franchise.

At worst, we're probably looking at an 8-8 season, and probably at a 9-7 one. For a rookie coach in his first year, that's not a bad start. I know another coach that had a long losing streak and an 8-8 record in his first year. His name was Joe Gibbs. I bet they should have dumped that loser too.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off a little harsh, but this is absolutely ridiculous. This entire board and fanbase was going crazy for Zorn when he was beating Dallas and Philadelphia, and now losing to four of the best defenses in football with a @#%@# offensive line makes him an idiot and a failure. I don't buy it. At all.
Gibbs started 0-5 but finished strong to 8-8. Zorn is going in the opposite direction. He inherited a playoff team, started 6-2 and is tanking his way to 8-8 or 9-7. If you want to draw a more apt comparison, maybe we look at the last coach who started out here 6-2 and finished 8-8... [gulp] Norv.

[Biggie]

What, are you going to give me a history lesson? Gibbs started 0-5 and finished out 8-8 his first year. The exact opposite of what Zorn has done this year. 8-8 is exactly what I expect to be at the end of the season, now.
No, no, not at all. I'm just saying that many of the factors working against this team (like age) are out of Zorn's hands, and that most coaches would have difficultly getting production out of this offense in its current state. You can't build a consistent passing offense when the line can't block for more than two seconds. As far as I'm concerned, Zorn showed he was up to the task in the early part of the season, but now the learning curve has finally set in. I think he's had a lot to learn this season, but I'm fairly confident that he'll learn it.

[wewantdallas]

We can compare records of past coaches, regimes, etc., but the sobering fact here is that Zorn's squad has fallen so far after starting off so strongly IN THE SAME SEASON.

Gibbs' unit in '81 started off horribly and got better.

The "falling apart down the stretch" is what scares me. I'd be much happier with a 7-9 record if we started off 2-6 and ended up 7-9.

Yes, the talent (or lack thereof) on the lines has a lot to do with it, but Zorn has really faltered as well over the last five games. I really believe part of his early success was based on people having no film of him, no breakdown of his tendencies. Now that he's been "tagged and sent out into the wild," defenses are able to key against our glaring weaknesses and take us apart.

The scary thing is, Zorn has shown ZERO ability to adjust the way successful coaches have to adjust to stay ahead of the game.

I'm definitely not for firing Zorn. I still like him, and I liked the hire, but I have to admit that I'm very, very nervous about our future right now, based on the type of collapse we haven't seen around here since '97 under Norv.

I'll give him another year to show that he can learn, adjust and develop his talent. But the more I hear from him, the more I start to get a nagging feeling that the guys on the team have lost confidence in him as a leader and that he has lost confidence in himself. He seems lost.

That's why the team has no fire or killer instinct. It's impossible to have those things when you're THINKING too much about your assignments, when you're playing too tentatively, when you're confused, when you have no confidence, etc. Those types of things point directly to coaching, and that is on Zorn.

And btw, what the hell is up with that necklace he's been wearing at all his postgame press conferences?

[BurgundyNGold]

No, no, not at all. I'm just saying that many of the factors working against this team (like age) are out of Zorn's hands, and that most coaches would have difficultly getting production out of this offense in its current state. You can't build a consistent passing offense when the line can't block for more than two seconds. As far as I'm concerned, Zorn showed he was up to the task in the early part of the season, but now the learning curve has finally set in. I think he's had a lot to learn this season, but I'm fairly confident that he'll learn it.
The Zorn who called the offense in the first half of the season is not this Zorn. That Zorn was original and unpredictable. That Zorn utilized 3 and 5 step drops. That Zorn would know that the Ravens stack 8 men in the box on 1st and 2nd downs and then blitz heavy on 3rd and would have matched that with more passes on 1st and 2nd down.

Apparently, none of us know who Zorn is as a coach -- least of whom Zorn himself.

[Biggie]

And btw, what the hell is up with that necklace he's been wearing at all his postgame press conferences?
Maybe it's to remind him that we aren't the Maroon and Black?

[BurgundyNGold]

We can compare records of past coaches, regimes, etc., but the sobering fact here is that Zorn's squad has fallen so far after starting off so strongly IN THE SAME SEASON.

Gibbs' unit in '81 started off horribly and got better.

The "falling apart down the stretch" is what scares me. I'd be much happier with a 7-9 record if we started off 2-6 and ended up 7-9.

Yes, the talent (or lack thereof) on the lines has a lot to do with it, but Zorn has really faltered as well over the last five games. I really believe part of his early success was based on people having no film of him, no breakdown of his tendencies. Now that he's been "tagged and sent out into the wild," defenses are able to key against our glaring weaknesses and take us apart.

The scary thing is, Zorn has shown ZERO ability to adjust the way successful coaches have to adjust to stay ahead of the game.

I'm definitely not for firing Zorn. I still like him, and I liked the hire, but I have to admit that I'm very, very nervous about our future right now, based on the type of collapse we haven't seen around here since '97 under Norv.

I'll give him another year to show that he can learn, adjust and develop his talent. But the more I hear from him, the more I start to get a nagging feeling that the guys on the team have lost confidence in him as a leader and that he has lost confidence in himself. He seems lost.

That's why the team has no fire or killer instinct. It's impossible to have those things when you're THINKING too much about your assignments, when you're playing too tentatively, when you're confused, when you have no confidence, etc. Those types of things point directly to coaching, and that is on Zorn.

And btw, what the hell is up with that necklace he's been wearing at all his postgame press conferences?
I agree about the regression. I could live with a 7-6 record if we were going in the right direction.

As for the OL, this is the exact same OL that was one of the more dominant ones last season and that had very few lapses in pass protection. We might attribute the drop off to injuries, age, whatever but I refuse to believe that 4 of our 5 OL just got this bad overnight.

[BSMKF]

I hate comparisons like this. Zorn is not Joe Gibbs and to compare there situations is ridiculous. The talent that Zorn has now compared to what kind of talent Gibbs had that season are not even close. Gibbs used what little talent he had and maximized it. Zorn is regressing as a play caller at a rapid pace and teams have figured him out. Im not ready to see him go and would love for him to be succesful, but at this point its not looking good.

I don't get this whole Zorn has been adjusted to thing either. Skins have just got finish playing Steelers,Dallas,Giants and Ravens and all of them have stellar Defenses and not many teams score points vs them and lets not forget this same team hasn't been able to score points in the last 5 years.


Bottom line this is Zorns forst year and Skins will go 10-6 or 9-7 and thats pretty good IMO.

[shoogknight]

The Zorn who called the offense in the first half of the season is not this Zorn. That Zorn was original and unpredictable. That Zorn utilized 3 and 5 step drops. That Zorn would know that the Ravens stack 8 men in the box on 1st and 2nd downs and then blitz heavy on 3rd and would have matched that with more passes on 1st and 2nd down.

Apparently, none of us know who Zorn is as a coach -- least of whom Zorn himself.


Zorn has not failed this team, His play calling has changed and regressed because......


The Oline has failed this team. Zorn , JC etcc are being held back by very poor line play.


Coincidence???? The line play has deteriorated since Buges daughter passed.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

even gibbs struggled when he started out.i'm not comparing anybody to zorn,but this is the same coach who went 6-2 this year is'nt it?we are a lot better than i ever thought this season,give the guy a chance,a fair one before you start calling for some jar squared tv announcer who is critical of everybody,give zorn a chance.

[BurgundyNGold]

I don't get this whole Zorn has been adjusted to thing either. Skins have just got finish playing Steelers,Dallas,Giants and Ravens and all of them have stellar Defenses and not many teams score points vs them and lets not forget this same team hasn't been able to score points in the last 5 years.

Bottom line this is Zorns forst year and Skins will go 10-6 or 9-7 and thats pretty good IMO.
I can take a beating by the Giants and Steelers. They are elite teams. However, Dallas was there for the taking last month and so were the Ravens last night. We haven't won a game by more than 8 points all year and that was against what might be the worst team in the last 20 years in Detroit. Add in that we lost to the crappy Rams and barely squeezed out a win against a sorry Seahawks team and there is really no reason to be hopeful.

[BSMKF]

Lets not forget The Skins were lucky to be 9-7 last year.


This team is not that good and hasnt been that good in the last 5 years

[Lavar703]

I don't get this whole Zorn has been adjusted to thing either. Skins have just got finish playing Steelers,Dallas,Giants and Ravens and all of them have stellar Defenses and not many teams score points vs them and lets not forget this same team hasn't been able to score points in the last 5 years.


Bottom line this is Zorns forst year and Skins will go 10-6 or 9-7 and thats pretty good IMO.

Dude, what world are you living in where you have us winning two more games? This team will go 7-9, bank it. Zorn has been figured out and its painfully obvious when defenders are getting to the ball before our own players. If i can tell you the plays that are going to be run and im right over and over again, then we have a serious problem.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I don't get this whole Zorn has been adjusted to thing either. Skins have just got finish playing Steelers,Dallas,Giants and Ravens and all of them have stellar Defenses and not many teams score points vs them and lets not forget this same team hasn't been able to score points in the last 5 years.


Bottom line this is Zorns forst year and Skins will go 10-6 or 9-7 and thats pretty good IMO.

Right now i think we can chalk the Eagles game up to a loss. The 49ers are getting better every week and that game will not be a gimme by any stretch of the imagination. We have lost 4 out of the last 5 games and the Bengals could take us apart pretty easily. 7-9 is a distinct possibility and 8-8 is pretty realistic.

Until last night, we hadnt been hit with any major injuries. There is no excuse for this after starting the season 6-2. There is no excuse for losing to the Rams. A win there, and we would be sitting at 8-5 right now and still in the mix.

[Lavar703]

Lets not forget The Skins were lucky to be 9-7 last year.


This team is not that good and hasnt been that good in the last 5 years

Lucky? How were they lucky? You dont beat teams like the Bears, Vikings, Giants and Cowboys because of luck. They played with heart and wanted to win, this team plays with little to no heart and expects to win.

[shally]

Lucky? How were they lucky? You dont beat teams like the Bears, Vikings, Giants and Cowboys because of luck. They played with heart and wanted to win, this team plays with little to no heart and expects to win.


i dont think they expect to win.. they might say it, but it is pure bravado

[Farmer Ted]

Norv
Childress
Ray Handley
Dungy (TB)
June Jones
Our ole buddy Gregg Williams
Lovie Smith
Dave Campo
Del Rio

Some mixed results...

Don't forget my all-time favorite, Jack Pardee. Started out 6-0, ended up 8-8. This season is sort of feeling like that season (1978) all over again. I'm pulling for Zorn, but that doesn't mean I'm not worried.

[BSMKF]

Lucky? How were they lucky? You dont beat teams like the Bears, Vikings, Giants and Cowboys because of luck. They played with heart and wanted to win, this team plays with little to no heart and expects to win.


How could you say the Skins play with no heart? The only reason this team is still in the playoff hunt is all heart IMO.


Bottom line the Skins are not that good and haven't been in the last 5 years.

Skins last 5 years:

2004 - 6-10
2005 - 10-6
2006 - 5-11
2007 - 9 -7
2008 - 7-6 right now


Give Zorn a chance.

[BurgundyNGold]

How could you say the Skins play with no heart? The only reason this team is still in the playoff hunt is all heart IMO.


Bottom line the Skins are not that good and haven't been in the last 5 years.

Skins last 5 years:

2004 - 6-10
2005 - 10-6
2006 - 5-11
2007 - 9 -7
2008 - 7-6 right now


Give Zorn a chance.
Because they have getting out physicalled the last 6 games or so when there's no reason for it. As for heart, you don't have much heart when you fold up like a tent at the first sign of adversity. That's pretty much been what this team has done the last 6 games, as well.

[Lavar703]

How could you say the Skins play with no heart? The only reason this team is still in the playoff hunt is all heart IMO.


Bottom line the Skins are not that good and haven't been in the last 5 years.

Skins last 5 years:

2004 - 6-10
2005 - 10-6
2006 - 5-11
2007 - 9 -7
2008 - 7-6 right now


Give Zorn a chance.

Certain players play with heart but definately not the majority.

[sinskin]

There is another factor this year that noone seems to talk about....

This year the NFC has surpassed IMO the AFC in power. The Skins are playing good teams every week and even though detroit and seattle (which btw is still the same team as last year) Cleveland (which was picked to be a top 5 team this year) are all on the schedule.

Philly, Dallas, Giants, are all top flight teams and we play these guys twice a year not to mention Pitt and Balt. who hit you in the mouth and have the best defensive minds in football on their side. Cmon ppl....You don't shoot even par your first round or even you 50th round do you? You don't go out and knock the heavyweight champ out your first fight do you? Your not the best Saleman on the team your first week or month are you?

PATIENTS people, good lord! Everyone is good this year. Just look at the wildcard race ... its a mess!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Because they have getting out physicalled the last 6 games or so when there's no reason for it. As for heart, you don't have much heart when you fold up like a tent at the first sign of adversity. That's pretty much been what this team has done the last 6 games, as well.

For the first time in a long time I agree with this. There was a point where our enthusiasm, pride and over-exuberance hurt the team leading to stupid penalties or dumb plays in an effort just to bully or stand up to the opponent. Now, we play like the kid getting picked on in the playground.