2009 NFL Draft

[hogs86]

Ok this is all about fun. The redskins end the season and we have the 16th pick overall so who do you pick. You are now on the clock. My pick is.


Eugene Monroe OT Virginia

[skinsfan36]

you think monroe falls that far?

Tyson Jackson DL Lsu

[hogs86]

you think monroe falls that far?

Tyson Jackson DL Lsu

I hope.:) I have seen him between 5-20

[shally]

we will be closer to 5 than to 20 by the end of the year..sadly

i think if we go d line, it will be a DT, not a DE..especially if we re sign evans and keep both taylor and carter, have returnees jackson, wilson, buzbee and daniels.... that is a lot of DE's.. assuming that griff moves on, who do we have who is a true DT, except for golston, monty, alexander and boschetti ? not exactly a group to inspire confidence, is it ?

[Biggie]

Trade back.

According to this draft value chart (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2410670&type=story), a #16 pick would be worth 1,000 points. That value is the same as the second, third, fourth, and fifth-round picks of whoever has the first pick (so, the Lions). Considering that conversion rate, there's no reason why we couldn't get at least one bad team's second, third, and fourth/fifth in a trade for our first. That would give us back the picks we lost getting Jason Taylor and six draft picks instead of four, with three on the first day.

[joethefan]

remember vinnie doesn't draft for need so he says.....

didn't a certain team need a big wide reciever and wound up taking two of them.

[Hr fan]

Trade back.

According to this draft value chart (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2410670&type=story), a #16 pick would be worth 1,000 points. That value is the same as the second, third, fourth, and fifth-round picks of whoever has the first pick (so, the Lions). Considering that conversion rate, there's no reason why we couldn't get at least one bad team's second, third, and fourth/fifth in a trade for our first. That would give us back the picks we lost getting Jason Taylor and six draft picks instead of four, with three on the first day.

Love the scenario. What team with a bad record thinks it is one player away?

[dogfight6]

The Skins traded back last year and until I see better keep the first selection pick the highest rated OL-DL-OLB on the board and quit gambling on projects, and for heavens sake LOCK Dan-Vinny in their hotel room and give the pick cards to AKH.

[Biggie]

Love the scenario. What team with a bad record thinks it is one player away?
It's not about being one player away. If a team thinks there's more than one player in the first half of the first round that could make a big impact for them, they might like having two firsts.

[Lavar703]

I cant really make this selection, basically because we could go in absolutely every direction and it all depends on who is there. If Hardy is there I would love to see him picked but I just dont see it happening with Vinnie in charge. I think honestly, if Laurinitas is on the board when we pick, then Vinnie will choose him. He just doesnt draft lineman.

[skinsfan36]

The Skins traded back last year and until I see better keep the first selection pick the highest rated OL-DL-OLB on the board and quit gambling on projects, and for heavens sake LOCK Dan-Vinny in their hotel room and give the pick cards to AKH.

lol and if you want to really hold onto them give them to lorimike lol then let akh pick

[skinsfan36]

I cant really make this selection, basically because we could go in absolutely every direction and it all depends on who is there. If Hardy is there I would love to see him picked but I just dont see it happening with Vinnie in charge. I think honestly, if Laurinitas is on the board when we pick, then Vinnie will choose him. He just doesnt draft lineman.

he would help our defense but we need a dt,C,OG like nicole ritchie needs a steak

[Lavar703]

he would help our defense but we need a dt,C,OG like nicole ritchie needs a steak

Why are you acting like we have the ability to rebuild our lines in one year, its just not possible. We need almost every position on both lines and passing on someone like Greg Hardy is just plain stupid. We have absolutely no pass rush whatsoever. We used last years draft on the offensive side of the ball and now its time to take on offseason and pay attention to the defensive line.

[smoot]

Point blank, we aren't taking a DE in the first unless one of Taylor or Carter is cut/traded. Odds are the first round pick will be one of: DT - G/C - OT - OLB.

My likely picks (in no particular order):
Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn - Unbelievably athletic DT, albeit slightly undersized, also has experience at DE, would also excel at DE if the defense became a 3-4

Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss - Would pair nicely opposite Monty, late riser who ended the year as an All American. More info found HERE (http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/489)

Alex Mack, C, California - Frankly, the best C prospect in several years, higher than Nick Mangold. Fantastic run blocker with the size to anchor against 3-4 NT's. As another benefit, he can also play guard quite exquisitely. His technique is still lacking, but Buges is one of the best in the league at guiding young linemen. However, as a C, the value in the first probably wont be there, should likely only be considered in a trade back.

Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma - Quite simply a HUGE guard who should be everything that Derrick Dockery was supposed to be but never was. Once again, value may be lacking at our first pick, should be bumped near the top of the draft board after a trade back.

Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia - Tackle isnt nearly as pressing a need as some of the other positions listed, but should Monroe fall to our pick (which has a good chance of happening as Smith and Oher will surely go before him), he may very likely garner a strong look under the BPA theory.

Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest -- Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College -- Brian Cushing, OLB, USC - I lump these three together, because if any one of them are available when we pick, Vinny will have an extremely hard time not taking one of them. Listed in order of most likely to be picked first, should Curry somehow be available, you may see Vinny sprint up to Goodell on the podium like Dwight does to Michael in The Office.


All in all, if i had my pick of any of these prospects, i would take Mark Herzlich. I feel that once again, the Redskins will make a splash in FA by signing either Jovan Haye or really shelling out for Haynesworth in addition to signing one of Birk, Gross, or Goff. Herzlich plays with a nastyness reminiscent of Area 51 and is just a freakish athlete with great size and is as good playing back in coverage (5th in the nation in interceptions with 6, 2 for touchdowns, also has 7 pass break ups) as he is rushing the passer (2.5 sacks) and stopping the run (10 TFL, 105 tackles). Just a playmaker who stands out in every game he plays, as evidenced by his 8 turnovers this year, just has a nose for the ball.

[skinsfan36]

Point blank, we aren't taking a DE in the first unless one of Taylor or Carter is cut/traded. Odds are the first round pick will be one of: DT - G/C - OT - OLB.

My likely picks (in no particular order):
Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn - Unbelievably athletic DT, albeit slightly undersized, also has experience at DE, would also excel at DE if the defense became a 3-4

Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss - Would pair nicely opposite Monty, late riser who ended the year as an All American. More info found HERE (http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/489)

Alex Mack, C, California - Frankly, the best C prospect in several years, higher than Nick Mangold. Fantastic run blocker with the size to anchor against 3-4 NT's. As another benefit, he can also play guard quite exquisitely. His technique is still lacking, but Buges is one of the best in the league at guiding young linemen. However, as a C, the value in the first probably wont be there, should likely only be considered in a trade back.

Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma - Quite simply a HUGE guard who should be everything that Derrick Dockery was supposed to be but never was. Once again, value may be lacking at our first pick, should be bumped near the top of the draft board after a trade back.

Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia - Tackle isnt nearly as pressing a need as some of the other positions listed, but should Monroe fall to our pick (which has a good chance of happening as Smith and Oher will surely go before him), he may very likely garner a strong look under the BPA theory.

Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest -- Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College -- Brian Cushing, OLB, USC - I lump these three together, because if any one of them are available when we pick, Vinny will have an extremely hard time not taking one of them. Listed in order of most likely to be picked first, should Curry somehow be available, you may see Vinny sprint up to Goodell on the podium like Dwight does to Michael in The Office.


All in all, if i had my pick of any of these prospects, i would take Mark Herzlich. I feel that once again, the Redskins will make a splash in FA by signing either Jovan Haye or really shelling out for Haynesworth in addition to signing one of Birk, Gross, or Goff. Herzlich plays with a nastyness reminiscent of Area 51 and is just a freakish athlete with great size and is as good playing back in coverage (5th in the nation in interceptions with 6, 2 for touchdowns, also has 7 pass break ups) as he is rushing the passer (2.5 sacks) and stopping the run (10 TFL, 105 tackles). Just a playmaker who stands out in every game he plays, as evidenced by his 8 turnovers this year, just has a nose for the ball.

nice job id take any of those guys especially the linemen. goff is old. i think we sign angelo crowell since he is a good olb with bad knees(a vinny type move)

[Lavar703]

Point blank, we aren't taking a DE in the first unless one of Taylor or Carter is cut/traded. Odds are the first round pick will be one of: DT - G/C - OT - OLB.

My likely picks (in no particular order):
Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn - Unbelievably athletic DT, albeit slightly undersized, also has experience at DE, would also excel at DE if the defense became a 3-4

Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss - Would pair nicely opposite Monty, late riser who ended the year as an All American. More info found HERE (http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/489)

Alex Mack, C, California - Frankly, the best C prospect in several years, higher than Nick Mangold. Fantastic run blocker with the size to anchor against 3-4 NT's. As another benefit, he can also play guard quite exquisitely. His technique is still lacking, but Buges is one of the best in the league at guiding young linemen. However, as a C, the value in the first probably wont be there, should likely only be considered in a trade back.

Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma - Quite simply a HUGE guard who should be everything that Derrick Dockery was supposed to be but never was. Once again, value may be lacking at our first pick, should be bumped near the top of the draft board after a trade back.

Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia - Tackle isnt nearly as pressing a need as some of the other positions listed, but should Monroe fall to our pick (which has a good chance of happening as Smith and Oher will surely go before him), he may very likely garner a strong look under the BPA theory.

Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest -- Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College -- Brian Cushing, OLB, USC - I lump these three together, because if any one of them are available when we pick, Vinny will have an extremely hard time not taking one of them. Listed in order of most likely to be picked first, should Curry somehow be available, you may see Vinny sprint up to Goodell on the podium like Dwight does to Michael in The Office.


All in all, if i had my pick of any of these prospects, i would take Mark Herzlich. I feel that once again, the Redskins will make a splash in FA by signing either Jovan Haye or really shelling out for Haynesworth in addition to signing one of Birk, Gross, or Goff. Herzlich plays with a nastyness reminiscent of Area 51 and is just a freakish athlete with great size and is as good playing back in coverage (5th in the nation in interceptions with 6, 2 for touchdowns, also has 7 pass break ups) as he is rushing the passer (2.5 sacks) and stopping the run (10 TFL, 105 tackles). Just a playmaker who stands out in every game he plays, as evidenced by his 8 turnovers this year, just has a nose for the ball.

Thats a wonderful idea, theres plenty of decent DTs in free agency so we draft one instead of sign one and still have two pass rushing DEs who cant get to the QB.

[Moe]

Why are you acting like we have the ability to rebuild our lines in one year, its just not possible. We need almost every position on both lines and passing on someone like Greg Hardy is just plain stupid. We have absolutely no pass rush whatsoever. We used last years draft on the offensive side of the ball and now its time to take on offseason and pay attention to the defensive line.

I think it's dangerous to fixate on any one player or to swing the pendulum in an opposite direction simply as a means of creating some measure of drafting balance. They need help on both lines and need to pick the guy that can best help them long term, whatever the spot.

It seems to me that more often than not, it's more difficult for d-lineman to step right in and make a difference so if we go that route then we should probably temper our expectations, especially if the scheme remains the same. A guy like Haynesworth would be far more likely to jump right in but I'm not on board with going after him in free agency. I'd prefer they augment this spot with a combination of rotational veterans and a drafit pick or two.

[fent]

Thats a wonderful idea, theres plenty of decent DTs in free agency so we draft one instead of sign one and still have two pass rushing DEs who cant get to the QB.

you act like we have a ton of money. also, hardy is no lock to come to the draft this year as he had a rough season and he still isn't 100% healthy and he needs to overcome questions about his attitude to end up being picked where he wants to be. if he gets graded out as a top 15 pick, i'm sure he'll go, but with his potential and the rough season he had, why would he leave this year rather than come back again next year when Ole Miss should get even more of the limelight and he can show that his performance was injury related and not talent related? finally, your statement that passing on Hardy is just plain stupid is, well, stupid. we have no clue where we'll be on draft day, what free agency will have brought us, who will be in or out of the draft and who will still be on the board. is it wise to exclude him from our draftboard if he's in the draft pool? probably not, but you're acting like you know the exact circumstances that we'll be dealing with on April 25th.

[Lavar703]

you act like we have a ton of money. also, hardy is no lock to come to the draft this year as he had a rough season and he still isn't 100% healthy and he needs to overcome questions about his attitude to end up being picked where he wants to be. if he gets graded out as a top 15 pick, i'm sure he'll go, but with his potential and the rough season he had, why would he leave this year rather than come back again next year when Ole Miss should get even more of the limelight and he can show that his performance was injury related and not talent related? finally, your statement that passing on Hardy is just plain stupid is, well, stupid. we have no clue where we'll be on draft day, what free agency will have brought us, who will be in or out of the draft and who will still be on the board. is it wise to exclude him from our draftboard if he's in the draft pool? probably not, but you're acting like you know the exact circumstances that we'll be dealing with on April 25th.

I can tell you where we going to be on draft day as far as DL talent, at the same point we are right now, none. Taylor, and Carter have done nothing this year so passing on a DE who would provide a pass rush is stupid any way you want to look at it. Whether thats Jackson, Johnson, Hardy or Selvie, honestly it doesnt really matter, this defense is starving for a young pass rusher and has been for quite awhile. One of those guys will fall to us regardless of where we sit in the first round and odds are it will be in the top 20. The circumstances were dealing with now are going to be the same circumstances were dealing with come draft day and have been the same circumstances we've been dealing with since we had Marco Coleman and Bruce Smith. We have tried free agency(Andre Carter) for pass rushers and we have tried trades (Jason Taylor, Erasmus James) and it has not worked, why not try the draft? Heres a link to the free agent DL for 09' http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=DL&y=2009, with the exception of Tommie Harris and Julius Peppers who will be re-signed, where do you expect us to find a good pass rusher if we neglect it in the draft?

[oldskinfan]

There are some FA DT's available.
Stats show the safest 1st round picks for impact players is LB.

With Washington pretty much done, LFB aging and McIntosh w/ gimpy knees, I would love to land someone like Aaron Curry from Wake Forest.

If our pick is not that high (he will go top 10).

Brian Cushing (USC) is a possibility. I'm also intrigued by James Laurinaitis who has the size to play SLB or MLB. He could succeed LFB and start by playing SLB. He does not have elite speed though, so not a pass rushing type.

[fent]

I can tell you where we going to be on draft day as far as DL talent, at the same point we are right now, none. Taylor, and Carter have done nothing this year so passing on a DE who would provide a pass rush is stupid any way you want to look at it. Whether thats Jackson, Johnson, Hardy or Selvie, honestly it doesnt really matter, this defense is starving for a young pass rusher and has been for quite awhile. One of those guys will fall to us regardless of where we sit in the first round and odds are it will be in the top 20. The circumstances were dealing with now are going to be the same circumstances were dealing with come draft day and have been the same circumstances we've been dealing with since we had Marco Coleman and Bruce Smith. We have tried free agency(Andre Carter) for pass rushers and we have tried trades (Jason Taylor, Erasmus James) and it has not worked, why not try the draft? Heres a link to the free agent DL for 09' http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=DL&y=2009, with the exception of Tommie Harris and Julius Peppers who will be re-signed, where do you expect us to find a good pass rusher if we neglect it in the draft?

i'm not suggesting we neglect it. i'm suggesting that your comment was poorly worded at best and would also like to take this opportunity to remind you who will be running the draft room come april. i would personally like to see us go after a guy like Raji from BC who is a beast in the middle against the run and also gets after the qb. honestly, with the comments from Vinny about how we need a top flight DT, i'd be more willing to go out on a limb that we'll go after a guy like that rather than a DE.

[oldskinfan]

honestly, with the comments from Vinny about how we need a top flight DT, i'd be more willing to go out on a limb that we'll go after a guy like that rather than a DE.

The Vinerator is not know for being honest about public comments re: personnel :-)

[smoot]

Thats a wonderful idea, theres plenty of decent DTs in free agency so we draft one instead of sign one and still have two pass rushing DEs who cant get to the QB.

Reading is fundamental.

Sentence #1: "Point blank, we aren't taking a DE in the first unless one of Taylor or Carter is cut/traded"

When is the last time that you saw an 8 million dollar player sit on the bench doing nothing? It doesn't matter what his production is, as long as Taylor and Carter are on the team, they will be our starters next season and the front office will not make a move that will put one of them on the bench. My post wasn't what i hope we do, it was what i believe we will do. Would i like to see us draft a stud pass rusher? Sure, but it's not going to happen, so you may as well accept that and move past it.

Sentence #2: "I feel that once again, the Redskins will make a splash in FA by signing either Jovan Haye or really shelling out for Haynesworth"

I expect us to sign a DT, not draft one, i'm expecting us to draft an OLB.

[guess88]

From the what went on this season, I hope we spend our 1st rounder on an OL.

[VegasSkinsFan]

From the what went on this season, I hope we spend our 1st rounder on an OL.

O-line is a major need...maybe something like sign Jordan Gross in FA and draft Alex Mack. Unfortunately we have major needs at dt and lb.

[Lavar703]

Reading is fundamental.

Sentence #1: "Point blank, we aren't taking a DE in the first unless one of Taylor or Carter is cut/traded"

When is the last time that you saw an 8 million dollar player sit on the bench doing nothing? It doesn't matter what his production is, as long as Taylor and Carter are on the team, they will be our starters next season and the front office will not make a move that will put one of them on the bench. My post wasn't what i hope we do, it was what i believe we will do. Would i like to see us draft a stud pass rusher? Sure, but it's not going to happen, so you may as well accept that and move past it.

Sentence #2: "I feel that once again, the Redskins will make a splash in FA by signing either Jovan Haye or really shelling out for Haynesworth"

I expect us to sign a DT, not draft one, i'm expecting us to draft an OLB.

You obviously have not been paying attention to the defense then, because Demetric Evans starts in front of Jason Taylor. Your right, were not drafting a DE in the first round because you said so.

[smoot]

You obviously have not been paying attention to the defense then, because Demetric Evans starts in front of Jason Taylor. Your right, were not drafting a DE in the first round because you said so.

Jason Taylor has started 9 of the 11 games he's played in this year, not to mention that he was essentially playing on one leg for several weeks. Him being injured does not mean that Evans is starting in front of him, it means simply that Taylor is injured.

What the Front Office should do and what it will do are two completely different things. Think it through, say they draft your pick, Greg Hardy, what do they do with Taylor/Carter? First rounds picks arent as simple as handing in a card, do we waste 8.5 mil in cap space on the bench, do we take the cap hit associated with cutting him? Have fun telling yourself that we are going to draft a DE though.

[Lavar703]

Jason Taylor has started 9 of the 11 games he's played in this year, not to mention that he was essentially playing on one leg for several weeks. Him being injured does not mean that Evans is starting in front of him, it means simply that Taylor is injured.

What the Front Office should do and what it will do are two completely different things. Think it through, say they draft your pick, Greg Hardy, what do they do with Taylor/Carter? First rounds picks arent as simple as handing in a card, do we waste 8.5 mil in cap space on the bench, do we take the cap hit associated with cutting him? Have fun telling yourself that we are going to draft a DE though.

Im telling you right now that one of the two will be gone next year, atleast. Cutting Taylor will not hurt the cap that bad, coupled with the fact that we will probably let Griffin, Washington, Springs and Jansen go and odds are were not going to re-sign Kendall and a few others, we will have plenty of cap space to take the hit. He may have started 9 of 11 games this year but he has been benched in favor of Demetric Evans, and this is happening now, when hes been most healthy. Have fun telling yourself that its impossible to move Carter or Taylor or both for that matter.

[smoot]

Im telling you right now that one of the two will be gone next year, atleast. Cutting Taylor will not hurt the cap that bad, coupled with the fact that we will probably let Griffin, Washington, Springs and Jansen go and odds are were not going to re-sign Kendall and a few others, we will have plenty of cap space to take the hit. He may have started 9 of 11 games this year but he has been benched in favor of Demetric Evans, and this is happening now, when hes been most healthy. Have fun telling yourself that its impossible to move Carter or Taylor or both for that matter.

Once again, selective reading is bad. I never said that it would be impossible to move Carter or Taylor. My stance is that as long as they are on the team, we will not draft a DE. Should something happen and one of them is no longer on the team, then yes, drafting a DE in the first becomes a viable option. Until that time, it isn't.

[Lavar703]

Once again, selective reading is bad. I never said that it would be impossible to move Carter or Taylor. My stance is that as long as they are on the team, we will not draft a DE. Should something happen and one of them is no longer on the team, then yes, drafting a DE in the first becomes a viable option. Until that time, it isn't.

And I said that I believe one of them will be gone next year. You dont keep two pass rushing DE who cant stop the run and frankly, cant rush the passer anymore. Why do you think its not a viable option? Do you believe that our DEs, regardless of pay, are putting up production thats worthy of over looking the position in the draft? This must work the same way with our TE situation, you know we have Cooley so drafting a TE just wasnt a viable option, oh wait.

[smoot]

And I said that I believe one of them will be gone next year. You dont keep two pass rushing DE who cant stop the run and frankly, cant rush the passer anymore. Why do you think its not a viable option? Do you believe that our DEs, regardless of pay, are putting up production thats worthy of over looking the position in the draft? This must work the same way with our TE situation, you know we have Cooley so drafting a TE just wasnt a viable option, oh wait.

While i agree that having two undersized ends never made sense, our FO made a conscientious move to do so when they traded for Taylor. That being said, it doesn't make any sense to throw taylor the scrap heap after one poor season on a new team, in a new system, a year after being the runner up for defensive MVP. His talent didnt just evaporate, it's much more likely that the horrendous scheme we run with our line was what contributed to him having poor numbers (just see his latest interview). To ask an undersized pass rusher to primarily play the run is a ludicrous idea, let alone to ask two of them to do so. With the scheme we are running with this defense, Mario Williams would struggle to get five sacks. What makes you think that bringing in a first round DE would be any better? Nothing is going to change until the schemes do.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

I love the idea of taking Aaron Curry, Brian Cushing or another one of the great LBs in this draft. If we can't do that, then I think that Offensive Line is the next priority. I like Alex Mack (but I am biased because I live in California and am a huge Cal Bears fan) but I'm not sure if we can justify taking a Center when the G and T positions are even older. And of course, there is always DE and DT to consider (Michael Johnson maybe?).

We have a lot of needs in a lot of areas, so it is hard to predict what will happen. Not that anything is ever predictable with Snyder and Vinny anyways.

['Skinzdeep]

Johnson is just another undersized DE (250 LB). No way we should take him. I'll take my chances with Carter, Taylor, Evans, C. Wilson, and hopefully a healthy Erasmus James.

We have to go O-line, beginning with Tackles and Guards. I'd prefer to defer upgrading the defense until the following year in favor of shoring up the o-line. The only exceptions would be
1. if the top OTs are taken and a beast at DT or MLB is available when we pick. In that case, we can grab a OG in the 3rd round. Sucks that we don't have a 2nd rounder.
2. if we can trade our 1st rounder for a later 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder. We can then go with any combination of OG, C, DT, ILB.

[Lavar703]

Johnson is just another undersized DE (250 LB). No way we should take him. I'll take my chances with Carter, Taylor, Evans, C. Wilson, and hopefully a healthy Erasmus James.

We have to go O-line, beginning with Tackles and Guards. I'd prefer to defer upgrading the defense until the following year in favor of shoring up the o-line. The only exceptions would be
1. if the top OTs are taken and a beast at DT or MLB is available when we pick. In that case, we can grab a OG in the 3rd round. Sucks that we don't have a 2nd rounder.
2. if we can trade our 1st rounder for a later 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder. We can then go with any combination of OG, C, DT, ILB.

Dude your so out of it that you dont even know Erasmus James was cut. You keep spouting off about a tackle, why draft someone who is not going to play? We need playmakers like Aaron Curry or Greg Hardy or even Michael Johnson who you consider to be undersized at 6-7 260lbs. There is no beast at DT in this draft, but there are alot of pass rushers, but you think we can just go ahead and neglect that. Joey Porter, John Abraham, Julius Peppers, Robert Mathis and Mario Williams all are playing next to or behind a decent not great DT, but are all in the top 10 for sacks in the NFL. The redskins are currently ranked 27th in the NFL in sacks but 8th in the NFL in rushing yards allowed, but your have a great argument.

[fent]

Dude your so out of it that you dont even know Erasmus James was cut. You keep spouting off about a tackle, why draft someone who is not going to play? We need playmakers like Aaron Curry or Greg Hardy or even Michael Johnson who you consider to be undersized at 6-7 260lbs. There is no beast at DT in this draft, but there are alot of pass rushers, but you think we can just go ahead and neglect that. Joey Porter, John Abraham, Julius Peppers, Robert Mathis and Mario Williams all are playing next to or behind a decent not great DT, but are all in the top 10 for sacks in the NFL. The redskins are currently ranked 27th in the NFL in sacks but 8th in the NFL in rushing yards allowed, but your have a great argument.

dude...when did you turn into such an abrasive ace? and no stud DTs this year? have you paid any attention to the draft this year outside of the couple DEs you have a man crush on? BJ Raji is a stud DT sitting at 6-1, 323 lbs that has 10.5 (6 this year) sacks and 27.5 (11 this season) tackles for loss in his career. or how about Peria Jerry from Ole Miss R 6-2, 290 with 10.5 sacks (6 this year) and 32 TFLs (17 this year) in his career and is a first team all-american. both of them are top 20 locks barring injury. and don't give me this junk about the play of the DT doesn't matter and that playmakers make plays in spite of the presence or lack of talent at DT. a certain lock HOF MLB in Baltimore begged for a stud NT and his career has seen a major resurgence since he showed up.

[Lavar703]

dude...when did you turn into such an abrasive ace? and no stud DTs this year? have you paid any attention to the draft this year outside of the couple DEs you have a man crush on? BJ Raji is a stud DT sitting at 6-1, 323 lbs that has 10.5 (6 this year) sacks and 27.5 (11 this season) tackles for loss in his career. or how about Peria Jerry from Ole Miss R 6-2, 290 with 10.5 sacks (6 this year) and 32 TFLs (17 this year) in his career and is a first team all-american. both of them are top 20 locks barring injury. and don't give me this junk about the play of the DT doesn't matter and that playmakers make plays in spite of the presence or lack of talent at DT. a certain lock HOF MLB in Baltimore begged for a stud NT and his career has seen a major resurgence since he showed up.

The Ravens play a 3-4 defense so Ray Lewis situation is completely different then what goes on with the Redskins. Im not an abrasive "ace" I just cant believe someone would suggest drafting an OT with our first round pick, it would add almost next to nothing to next years team and he keeps going on and on about how Alex Mack and Duke Robinson, who would fill needs, are not worth first round picks. I have no problems with picking Raji, Marks or Jerry to play inside, I just would like to see a pass rushing DE on our radar for once. I didnt give you junk, I provided players who are within the top 10 in the league in sacks and they just so happen to play next to guys who are decent not great DTs, if you choose to ignore that, then fine. For even more evidence, Andre Carter had 10.5 sacks last year playing next to these same tackles.

[fent]

The Ravens play a 3-4 defense so Ray Lewis situation is completely different then what goes on with the Redskins. Im not an abrasive "ace" I just cant believe someone would suggest drafting an OT with our first round pick, it would add almost next to nothing to next years team and he keeps going on and on about how Alex Mack and Duke Robinson, who would fill needs, are not worth first round picks. I have no problems with picking Raji, Marks or Jerry to play inside, I just would like to see a pass rushing DE on our radar for once. I didnt give you junk, I provided players who are within the top 10 in the league in sacks and they just so happen to play next to guys who are decent not great DTs, if you choose to ignore that, then fine. For even more evidence, Andre Carter had 10.5 sacks last year playing next to these same tackles.

so because lewis plays in a 3-4 he's irrelevant to the discussion but porter can be used as an example on your side? brilliant logic there. and you have been abrasive and obnoxious since the draft debate started picking up steam telling everyone that disagrees with you that they don't know what they're talking about.

that's great that you would be fine with raji, marks or jerry, but that's not what you said 2 posts ago when you said there's not a DT worth taking in front of these stud DEs you keep drooling over.

i'd also like to point out that anyone that drafts with the idea of immediately helping there team is using a fool's strategy. sure you occasionally find guys that change your franchise's outlook in their rookie season, but the vast majority of teams don't find studs that immediately step in to improve the team dramatically. there's a lot to be said for drafting for long term team success rather than gambling that you're one player away. if we were in a position to draft a guy like Oher or Andre Smith, then it would be reasonable to take one of them with the way our line has played this year and with Samuel's getting up in age and Heyer no guarantee to hold down the RT spot. in short, you can keep telling people there fools for having their own opinion, but you just look more and more foolish every time you try and belittle someone.

[Battle Cat]

To all the people that are suggesting all of these ACC guys in the first round. Have any of you seen the football players in the ACC lately. They are perhaps the worst so called major conference in NCAA Division I.

[Lavar703]

so because lewis plays in a 3-4 he's irrelevant to the discussion but porter can be used as an example on your side? brilliant logic there. and you have been abrasive and obnoxious since the draft debate started picking up steam telling everyone that disagrees with you that they don't know what they're talking about.

that's great that you would be fine with raji, marks or jerry, but that's not what you said 2 posts ago when you said there's not a DT worth taking in front of these stud DEs you keep drooling over.

i'd also like to point out that anyone that drafts with the idea of immediately helping there team is using a fool's strategy. sure you occasionally find guys that change your franchise's outlook in their rookie season, but the vast majority of teams don't find studs that immediately step in to improve the team dramatically. there's a lot to be said for drafting for long term team success rather than gambling that you're one player away. if we were in a position to draft a guy like Oher or Andre Smith, then it would be reasonable to take one of them with the way our line has played this year and with Samuel's getting up in age and Heyer no guarantee to hold down the RT spot. in short, you can keep telling people there fools for having their own opinion, but you just look more and more foolish every time you try and belittle someone.

Well I do apologize if I have been acting obnoxious and abrasive, those are not my intentions, and I am extremely sorry if I have been belittling people, Im normally a pretty nice guy. You are correct, I used Joey Porter as an example and Ill take it back because I discredited your example of Ray Lewis because of the 3-4, however I also proved that you do not need a dominant DT to put up good sack numbers. I dont believe those DTs to be studs and thats perfectly fine if you do, Im most impressed with Greg Hardy and Aaron Curry out of everyone. The only OT I would consider a good choice is Jason Smith, because I believe hes the only one that could possibly slide to us, but I just believe drafting Mack or Robinson, if we go the offensive line route, would make much more sense.

[shally]

Well I do apologize if I have been acting obnoxious and abrasive, those are not my intentions, and I am extremely sorry if I have been belittling people, Im normally a pretty nice guy. You are correct, I used Joey Porter as an example and Ill take it back because I discredited your example of Ray Lewis because of the 3-4, however I also proved that you do not need a dominant DT to put up good sack numbers. I dont believe those DTs to be studs and thats perfectly fine if you do, Im most impressed with Greg Hardy and Aaron Curry out of everyone. The only OT I would consider a good choice is Jason Smith, because I believe hes the only one that could possibly slide to us, but I just believe drafting Mack or Robinson, if we go the offensive line route, would make much more sense.

if you go O line in the first round are you getting J long, Otah or Clady who have been rock solid from game one ? or are you getting Albert, Brown or Cherilus who have been injured or inconsistent ? you never know what you are getting-even in the first round

plus, what about heyer or reinhart ? if they are starters, where does a first rounder play next year anyway ?

for my money, the greater immediate need is on the D line, with O line being the next focus, developing someone for the future

you could flip the order, and i would be okay, but i also think there is help to be had for the O line in the form of someone like stinchcom or gross who could start from day 1, and play for 4-5 years additional based upon their current age...

[skinsfan36]

To all the people that are suggesting all of these ACC guys in the first round. Have any of you seen the football players in the ACC lately. They are perhaps the worst so called major conference in NCAA Division I.

have you watched michael johnson play?

[skinsfan36]

if you go O line in the first round are you getting J long, Otah or Clady who have been rock solid from game one ? or are you getting Albert, Brown or Cherilus who have been injured or inconsistent ? you never know what you are getting-even in the first round

plus, what about heyer or reinhart ? if they are starters, where does a first rounder play next year anyway ?

for my money, the greater immediate need is on the D line, with O line being the next focus, developing someone for the future

you could flip the order, and i would be okay, but i also think there is help to be had for the O line in the form of someone like stinchcom or gross who could start from day 1, and play for 4-5 years additional based upon their current age...
they dont especially if kendall is resigned

[smoot]

To all the people that are suggesting all of these ACC guys in the first round. Have any of you seen the football players in the ACC lately. They are perhaps the worst so called major conference in NCAA Division I.
I'm sorry but this is just an awfully ignorant post. Regardless of the fact that a player's individual talent is not indicative of a team's record (see Johnson, Calvin), the ACC was statistically the second best conference in the nation this year behind the Big 12 because of it's depth from top to bottom and if weighting of top teams is taken into consideration, the ACC comes in third behind just the Big 12 and the SEC

[akhhorus]

I'm sorry but this is just an awfully ignorant post. Regardless of the fact that a player's individual talent is not indicative of a team's record (see Johnson, Calvin), the ACC was statistically the second best conference in the nation this year behind the Big 12 because of it's depth from top to bottom and if weighting of top teams is taken into consideration, the ACC comes in third behind just the Big 12 and the SEC

The ACC can't hold a candle to the SEC or big 12, but they are a good major conference at producing NFL caliber talent.

[smoot]

The ACC can't hold a candle to the SEC or big 12, but they are a good major conference at producing NFL caliber talent.
Normally yes, and i'll see if i can find the rating's again to this... But this year, because it was so top heavy with Florida and Alabama and so mediocre to poor in the rest of the conference, the ACC graded out ahead of the SEC.

This is not by my evaluation as i do give more weight to top teams, putting the ACC third, but like i said, i'll try to find the ratings again if i can.

[akhhorus]

Normally yes, and i'll see if i can find the rating's again to this... But this year, because it was so top heavy with Florida and Alabama and so mediocre to poor in the rest of the conference, the ACC graded out ahead of the SEC.

Umm..no. Florida and Bama were great, but on sheer talent the middle of the SEC is better than anyone in the ACC.

[smoot]

Umm..no. Florida and Bama were great, but on sheer talent the middle of the SEC is better than anyone in the ACC.
"They are perhaps the worst so called major conference in NCAA Division I."

Talking about the teams in the conference, not the talent of the players.

[akhhorus]

"They are perhaps the worst so called major conference in NCAA Division I."

Talking about the teams in the conference, not the talent of the players.

I don't agree with that statement that Battle Cat posted at all, but the ACC isn't near the best major conference either: in terms of teams or talent.

[smoot]

I don't agree with that statement that Battle Cat posted at all, but the ACC isn't near the best major conference either: in terms of teams or talent.
Sagarin disagrees. Link (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm)

[BigCountry]

Sagarin disagrees. Link (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm)

You can't take those ratings seriously. There are a handful of conferences that are not better then the SEC and he has them ahead of it.

[smoot]

You can't take those ratings seriously. There are a handful of conferences that are not better then the SEC and he has them ahead of it.
What? He has them third behind the Big 12 and ACC, not behind a handful. And his formulas are part of the BCS computation, so yes, his ratings are generally taken seriously.

[akhhorus]

Sagarin disagrees. Link (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm)

Sagarin had James Madison as the 24th best team in the country at one point late in this season.

[smoot]

Sagarin had James Madison as the 24th best team in the country at one point late in this season.
While the BCS and Sagarin by extension are far from a perfect science, your not really denouncing their works based on anomaly/outlier are you?

[akhhorus]

While the BCS and Sagarin by extension are far from a perfect science, your not really denouncing their works based on anomaly/outlier are you?

No, I'm denouncing Sagarin by showing that his ranking system is systemically flawed. An outlier would be having a 11-20 team in the top five of his rankings. Having a school that plays in a lower football divison ahead of schools who play in tough conferences and have a good record isn't-its systemic failure.

[BigCountry]

What? He has them third behind the Big 12 and ACC, not behind a handful. And his formulas are part of the BCS computation, so yes, his ratings are generally taken seriously.

My bad I was looking at the second ranking.

[smoot]

No, I'm denouncing Sagarin by showing that his ranking system is systemically flawed. An outlier would be having a 11-20 team in the top five of his rankings. Having a school that plays in a lower football divison ahead of schools who play in tough conferences and have a good record isn't-its systemic failure.
And it's also the first and only time that it's ever happened, making it an anomaly.

[akhhorus]

And it's also the first and only time that it's ever happened, making it an anomaly.

He has James Madison #40 now, above LSU, UVA, UMD, NC state, Vandy and a number of other decent programs. Thats absurd.

[Skaggsrules]

He has James Madison #40 now, above LSU, UVA, UMD, NC state, Vandy and a number of other decent programs. Thats absurd.

Aside from LSU, JMU could give all those other schools a run for their money

[hogs86]

Aside from LSU, JMU could give all though other schools a run for their money

I agree i saw Madison play 5 times this year. They recruit well around the tidewater region of Virginia. Who turns out some of the best high school players.

[skinsfan36]

Aside from LSU, JMU could give all those other schools a run for their money

wasnt jmu blown out by duke early in the season? id rethink that statement

[hogs86]

wasnt jmu blown out by duke early in the season? id rethink that statement

Yes true. They were in the game until the 3rd. JMU turned the ball over 3 times. The box score is listed below. IMO madison would have beat duke by 14 + if they would have played at the end of the season.

Scoring Summary (Final)
James Madison (0-1) vs. Duke (1-0)
Date: Aug 30, 2008 Site: Durham, N.C. Stadium: Wallace Wade Stadium
Attendance: 32571

Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
James Madison....... 7 0 0 0 - 7
Duke................ 7 7 17 0 - 31

[Skaggsrules]

Yes true. They were in the game until the 3rd. JMU turned the ball over 3 times. The box score is listed below. IMO madison would have beat duke by 14 + if they would have played at the end of the season.

Scoring Summary (Final)
James Madison (0-1) vs. Duke (1-0)
Date: Aug 30, 2008 Site: Durham, N.C. Stadium: Wallace Wade Stadium
Attendance: 32571

Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
James Madison....... 7 0 0 0 - 7
Duke................ 7 7 17 0 - 31

They were actually driving to tie the game in the 3rd, then Landers threw only his 2nd or 3rd pass of the night, and it was picked and returned like 65 yards, putting Duke in territory to score....then he fumbled on the next drive trying to power through for more yards when he didn't need to, and the flood gates opened.......Teams have those games were it's just your night, plus Duke also beat UVA and Vandy, and almost got NC State...all teams listed by Akh

Hogs...which games did you see? I go to JMU and I saw all the home games (and all playoff games), and went to the U of R game...Team was special, shame they lost focus against Montana

[akhhorus]

Aside from LSU, JMU could give all those other schools a run for their money

Maybe if those teams played their cheerleaders instead of the starters.

[Skaggsrules]

Maybe if those teams played their cheerleaders instead of the starters.

Then, of course, JMU would slaughter them...but in all seriousness, how much do you know about JMU besides losing to Duke?

[akhhorus]

Then, of course, JMU would slaughter them...but in all seriousness, how much do you know about JMU besides losing to Duke?

I've watched them play a couple games. They would get slaughtered by any of those schools. They have no business(same for Montana) being ranked so high by the computer.

[Skaggsrules]

I've watched them play a couple games. They would get slaughtered by any of those schools. They have no business(same for Montana) being ranked so high by the computer.

Well, next year they open against Maryland, we'll see if they get slaughtered (though replacing Rodney Landers is a hard task)...UVA isn't capable of slaughtering anyone (you probably know how big of a UVA fan I am as well) and the Mike Groh offense could make any D look like the Steel Curtain...if Maryland could only win 14-7 against Delaware, doubt they could slaughter JMU, especially when they're a middle of the road D when it comes to stopping the run.....NC State struggled with W&M, and they're even worse at stopping the run......I'm not saying JMU would beat everyone of those teams, but they wouldn't get slaughtered by any of those schools I said would be given a run for their money

P.S. I do agree they shouldn't be ranked there, but they could compete with these teams with this year's team

['Skinzdeep]

Dude your so out of it that you dont even know Erasmus James was cut. You keep spouting off about a tackle, why draft someone who is not going to play? We need playmakers like Aaron Curry or Greg Hardy or even Michael Johnson who you consider to be undersized at 6-7 260lbs. There is no beast at DT in this draft, but there are alot of pass rushers, but you think we can just go ahead and neglect that. Joey Porter, John Abraham, Julius Peppers, Robert Mathis and Mario Williams all are playing next to or behind a decent not great DT, but are all in the top 10 for sacks in the NFL. The redskins are currently ranked 27th in the NFL in sacks but 8th in the NFL in rushing yards allowed, but your have a great argument.



I've been away for a couple days and I have to say I apologize for not knowing (or caring) that Erasmus James was cut on 12/9. Oh well. While I agree that having a better pass rush on the edges would help, I'm sticking by my argument. The best way to disrupt a passing game is to collapse the pocket with your DTs. The best way to shut down a running game is to have gap fillers up front. The best way to maximize productivity out of a DE is to have a DT next to him who needs to be double teamed. I have no problem sticking with Twinkle Toes Taylor and Carter next year because taking another 250-260 DE with the first pick isn't going to do a lick to help us. There's no way Blanche or Zorn would put a rookie in more plays than two multi-million dollar guys. Yes, we need a DE, but not until Taylor is gone.

And why is anyone suggesting that we take a center (Alex Mack) in the first round? He's projected as a 2-3 round guy as are any of the best centers that have gone pro. Centers and Guards come easily in later rounds. Tackles do not...And if your ok with having Samuels (great, but aging), Jansen (career as a starter is done), and Heyer (young and a great find) as our only tackles going into next year and beyond, you must be drinking that Snyder kool-aid. We need a long term plan...not this quick fix garbage.

And regarding all of the JMU stuff...Seriously. Who cares about JMU? What does JMU have to do with the 'Skins next draft picks? Unless Gary Clark is resurrected in Harrisonburg, let's forget about JMU and get back on topic.

[akhhorus]

Well, next year they open against Maryland, we'll see if they get slaughtered (though replacing Rodney Landers is a hard task)...UVA isn't capable of slaughtering anyone (you probably know how big of a UVA fan I am as well) and the Mike Groh offense could make any D look like the Steel Curtain...if Maryland could only win 14-7 against Delaware, doubt they could slaughter JMU, especially when they're a middle of the road D when it comes to stopping the run.....NC State struggled with W&M, and they're even worse at stopping the run......I'm not saying JMU would beat everyone of those teams, but they wouldn't get slaughtered by any of those schools I said would be given a run for their money

P.S. I do agree they shouldn't be ranked there, but they could compete with these teams with this year's team

I'm not saying they're a nothing team, but App State still isn't a better program than Michigan, despite beating them. For a computer to rank them(JMU) even in the top 40 is absurd. That was the point. They have no business being ranked ahead of schools who actually play top level teams regularly/exclusively.

[Skaggsrules]

I'm not saying they're a nothing team, but App State still isn't a better program than Michigan, despite beating them. For a computer to rank them(JMU) even in the top 40 is absurd. That was the point. They have no business being ranked ahead of schools who actually play top level teams regularly/exclusively.

K, I can agree that beating the App St.'s, Richmond's, and Villanova's doesn't compare to playing in the SEC, or even the Mountain West. My point is saying JMU could compete with SOME of those teams "ranked" below them, it just seemed you were slighting them as a "nothing team"...Obviously, a team like LSU, Tenn, or Wisconsin would probably have little to no problem with JMU, but don't completely write off this year's JMU against the bottom tier ACC, Big East, Big 10 teams or most of the Non-BCS conference teams (aside from those close to breaking into the BCS)

[akhhorus]

K, I can agree that beating the App St.'s, Richmond's, and Villanova's doesn't compare to playing in the SEC, or even the Mountain West. My point is saying JMU could compete with SOME of those teams "ranked" below them, it just seemed you were slighting them as a "nothing team"...Obviously, a team like LSU, Tenn, or Wisconsin would probably have little to no problem with JMU, but don't completely write off this year's JMU against the bottom tier ACC, Big East, Big 10 teams or most of the Non-BCS conference teams (aside from those close to breaking into the BCS)

I'm not slighting them, I'm just saying that they have zero business being ranked even in the same general area as those teams, and QED that means you can't take the Sagarin rating seriously.

[hogs86]

They were actually driving to tie the game in the 3rd, then Landers threw only his 2nd or 3rd pass of the night, and it was picked and returned like 65 yards, putting Duke in territory to score....then he fumbled on the next drive trying to power through for more yards when he didn't need to, and the flood gates opened.......Teams have those games were it's just your night, plus Duke also beat UVA and Vandy, and almost got NC State...all teams listed by Akh

Hogs...which games did you see? I go to JMU and I saw all the home games (and all playoff games), and went to the U of R game...Team was special, shame they lost focus against Montana

I also was at all of their home games and the Montana game.

[ryflan47]

So.. Graham Gano anyone?

[tyrone_rush_fan]

FSU DE Everette Brown (6-3, 250, junior) looked good, too.

[BigCountry]

So I'm officially jumping on my first bandwaggon. As of right now, the best RT prospects are Michael Oher and Andre Smith, and it's highly unlikely they make it to wherever we're picking. If Smith doesn't come out, it's a virtual impossibility that Oher falls. Eugene Monroe and especially Jason Smith don't have a strong enough base to play RT and Monroe won't be there anyway. This OT class is strong but you won't see a class like last year's in a long, long time. That being said, between now and the draft, Peria Jerry's (DT Ole Miss) stock should rise, and he's just what we need. He has the best first step of any DT in the draft and can hold the point of attack well for a UT. He's built very low to the ground and has the solid, thick frame you look for in a UT. His effort has been knocked and he does kinda make you think of a Brodrick Bunkley or a Travis Johnson, but then again Florida State defensive lineman have a bit of a history of going south in the NFL. Consistant interior pocket collapsers are a rare but crucial commodity and we've been tracking them for the last two drafts. (Okoye, Laws) This time we could be in perfect position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3i9rzG6F-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjveCA7N1o

[culpeper]

take the bill parcells approach...

1. get rid of big money/dead weight (SS, MW, JJ to name a few)
2. trade back, infuse team with as much youth as we can (draft for need)
3. one or two key FA's (DT, OT)
4. shop as many trade options as possible, even if it will only get us a 6th (betts, ARE, moss)

5. hold everyone accountable and encourage competition. everyones job is up for grabs

its fun to speculate on the draft for sure, but its an exercise in futility at this point.

[skinsfan36]

So I'm officially jumping on my first bandwaggon. As of right now, the best RT prospects are Michael Oher and Andre Smith, and it's highly unlikely they make it to wherever we're picking. If Smith doesn't come out, it's a virtual impossibility that Oher falls. Eugene Monroe and especially Jason Smith don't have a strong enough base to play RT and Monroe won't be there anyway. This OT class is strong but you won't see a class like last year's in a long, long time. That being said, between now and the draft, Peria Jerry's (DT Ole Miss) stock should rise, and he's just what we need. He has the best first step of any DT in the draft and can hold the point of attack well for a UT. He's built very low to the ground and has the solid, thick frame you look for in a UT. His effort has been knocked and he does kinda make you think of a Brodrick Bunkley or a Travis Johnson, but then again Florida State defensive lineman have a bit of a history of going south in the NFL. Consistant interior pocket collapsers are a rare but crucial commodity and we've been tracking them for the last two drafts. (Okoye, Laws) This time we could be in perfect position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3i9rzG6F-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjveCA7N1o

id love to grab jerry at 14 then bpa at end or g/c/t in rd 3.

[fent]

id love to grab jerry at 14 then bpa at end or g/c/t in rd 3.

i think we're actually at 13 for what it's worth. draftcountdown.com has us there based on opponents win % within the 8-8 teams.

[shally]

take the bill parcells approach...

1. get rid of big money/dead weight (SS, MW, JJ to name a few)
2. trade back, infuse team with as much youth as we can (draft for need)
3. one or two key FA's (DT, OT)
4. shop as many trade options as possible, even if it will only get us a 6th (betts, ARE, moss)

5. hold everyone accountable and encourage competition. everyones job is up for grabs

its fun to speculate on the draft for sure, but its an exercise in futility at this point.

agree. but it only comes together if you can have a good enough eye for talent to spot a starting defensive end (langford) inthe third round..

the flaw with taking the parcells approach is that you have to have parcells acumen in picking up players.

the other thing you do is constantly churn the bottom 10 of the roster. keep dumping guys like wilson or boschetti or fincher until you uncover a gem..

[shally]

i think we're actually at 13 for what it's worth. draftcountdown.com has us there based on opponents win % within the 8-8 teams.

good enough to grab an otah or a DT at that position inthe draft.

might be harder to trade that pick, than if we ended up around 20.. on the other hand, there might be a qb out there still that someone had to have, and we could move that way

for certain, we need more than 4 picks this offseason with all the holes we have

[Lavar703]

NFL.com has us at 12 in the standings, I dont know if thats correct but I guess I will go with that.

I like:
Aaron Curry
Greg Hardy
Michael Johnson
Alex Mack
Duke Robinson
BJ Raji
Tyson Jackson
Everrette Brown
Peria Jerry
Rey Mauluaga
Jason Smith
Taylor Mays

[BigCountry]

good enough to grab an otah or a DT at that position inthe draft.

might be harder to trade that pick, than if we ended up around 20.. on the other hand, there might be a qb out there still that someone had to have, and we could move that way

for certain, we need more than 4 picks this offseason with all the holes we have

Otah went that low because last year's OT class was once a decade good. This year you'll likely see 3 go in the top 10 or 2 if Smith stays in school, but that might be about it.

[shally]

Otah went that low because last year's OT class was once a decade good. This year you'll likely see 3 go in the top 10 or 2 if Smith stays in school, but that might be about it.


the underclassmen havent announced yet... that will determine everything

[dj_stouty]

We haven't drafted a WR in quite some time so Vinny will probably trade up for Crabtree or stand pat and draft Heyward-Bey. Either that...or draft another d-back.

We are fine on the D-line. Just ask Blatche.

:rolleyes:

[BigCountry]

We haven't drafted a WR in quite some time so Vinny will probably trade up for Crabtree or stand pat and draft Heyward-Bey. Either that...or draft another d-back.

We are fine on the D-line. Just ask Blatche.

:rolleyes:

It was never about that. The year we drafted Landry we actually had a very high interest in Okoye but couldn't find a trade down partner and Landry was on top of our sacred draft board, which is the biggest flaw in Vinny's philosophy. He even said load and clear for every poor Redskin fan to hear on the radio, he doesn't believe in drafting for need. If there's a defensive lineman we're high on when we pick, we'll grab him, if not, it's whoever is highest on the board, as you know all too well. I can't believe I'm defending him, but it has to be said that the D-lineman he's been interested in the last couple of years have looked like solid players in the limited time they've had. Okoye will be a very good player and from what I've seen from Merling and Laws they look alright, although Laws hasn't seen that much playing time.

[shally]

It was never about that. The year we drafted Landry we actually had a very high interest in Okoye but couldn't find a trade down partner and Landry was on top of our sacred draft board, which is the biggest flaw in Vinny's philosophy. He even said load and clear for every poor Redskin fan to hear on the radio, he doesn't believe in drafting for need. If there's a defensive lineman we're high on when we pick, we'll grab him, if not, it's whoever is highest on the board, as you know all too well. I can't believe I'm defending him, but it has to be said that the D-lineman he's been interested in the last couple of years have looked like solid players in the limited time they've had. Okoye will be a very good player and from what I've seen from Merling and Laws they look alright, although Laws hasn't seen that much playing time.

i believe laws was the guy we wanted and philly took him with the pick right before us.. vinnie got that glazed look and started muttering.."my board, my board"

such is our luck.. merling is the guy they should have taken.. hindsight.

looks like philly is bringing laws along slowly but they have the luxury with a decent d line and depth there

[skinsfan36]

i believe laws was the guy we wanted and philly took him with the pick right before us.. vinnie got that glazed look and started muttering.."my board, my board"

such is our luck.. merling is the guy they should have taken.. hindsight.

looks like philly is bringing laws along slowly but they have the luxury with a decent d line and depth there

should of went merling,laws,and then wr in hindsight

[skinsfan36]

good news is andre smith ot beast from alabama has done something stupid and will be suspended for the bowl game maybe some chance he falls to 13

[Skaggsrules]

good news is andre smith ot beast from alabama has done something stupid and will be suspended for the bowl game maybe some chance he falls to 13

Dealt with an agent, nothing too serious, won't affect his status

[akhhorus]

It was never about that. The year we drafted Landry we actually had a very high interest in Okoye but couldn't find a trade down partner and Landry was on top of our sacred draft board, which is the biggest flaw in Vinny's philosophy. He even said load and clear for every poor Redskin fan to hear on the radio, he doesn't believe in drafting for need. If there's a defensive lineman we're high on when we pick, we'll grab him, if not, it's whoever is highest on the board, as you know all too well. I can't believe I'm defending him, but it has to be said that the D-lineman he's been interested in the last couple of years have looked like solid players in the limited time they've had. Okoye will be a very good player and from what I've seen from Merling and Laws they look alright, although Laws hasn't seen that much playing time.

They told Okoye's agent that they were going to draft him if he was there.

Merling's been okay, he dropped because-as Profootballweekly put it:
"Phillip Merling is just a guy. He’s a solid run defender, but he is not special. He has an average motor. I was not enamored with him after meeting with him — he had sleepy eyes and looked like a typical Clemson kid.” (lol)

Laws has some talent, but he's never going to supplant Patterson on that dline.

[Epochalypse]

Word is Vinny has been looking to draft the nation's best long snapper at the 13 spot...championship

[skinsfan36]

Word is Vinny has been looking to draft the nation's best long snapper at the 13 spot...championship

if he did that the nfl would probably step in and fire him somehow

[Luis Landa]

I don't think he will be there at 13th but if Michael Crabtree is there should Vinny even think about drafting him?

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

I don't think he will be there at 13th but if Michael Crabtree is there should Vinny even think about drafting him?

Enough flashy players. The Skins need to rebuild their lines badly - that should be the priority. Having said that, if Crabtree falls to 13, Vinny will go BPA and we will have yet another WR.

[skinsfan36]

Enough flashy players. The Skins need to rebuild their lines badly - that should be the priority. Having said that, if Crabtree falls to 13, Vinny will go BPA and we will have yet another WR.

id be ok with crabtree if we could trade moss after we picked him(would plummet moss value)

[ClubSandwichGuy]

I don't think he will be there at 13th but if Michael Crabtree is there should Vinny even think about drafting him?
I've watched Crabtree and he has some amazing skill. The problem is, I don't think he is very fast. Maybe he will turn out to be the real deal, but for now I'm not as high on him as everyone else is.

If we got one or two good linemen in Free Agency, and Crabtree fell to 13, we would definitely have to consider taking him.

[shally]

I've watched Crabtree and he has some amazing skill. The problem is, I don't think he is very fast. Maybe he will turn out to be the real deal, but for now I'm not as high on him as everyone else is.

If we got one or two good linemen in Free Agency, and Crabtree fell to 13, we would definitely have to consider taking him.

just to play devil's advocate for a second, i don think that boldin (whom crabtree reminds me of) was thought to be that fast coming out of college either

[JasonCampbell]

I've watched Crabtree and he has some amazing skill. The problem is, I don't think he is very fast. Maybe he will turn out to be the real deal, but for now I'm not as high on him as everyone else is.

If we got one or two good linemen in Free Agency, and Crabtree fell to 13, we would definitely have to consider taking him.

Crabtree falling to the Skins would be wonderful. Not because we would (or should for that matter) take him, but someone would have to trade up to nab him. I love the guy, but we have many more needs (especially since I'm banking on Thomas and Kelly being decent NFL WRs).

just to play devil's advocate for a second, i don think that boldin (whom crabtree reminds me of) was thought to be that fast coming out of college either

Yup, Boldin fell to the second due to a poor 40 time and an injury his junior year.

[shally]

Crabtree falling to the Skins would be wonderful. Not because we would (or should for that matter) take him, but someone would have to trade up to nab him. I love the guy, but we have many more needs (especially since I'm banking on Thomas and Kelly being decent NFL WRs).



Yup, Boldin fell to the second due to a poor 40 time and an injury his junior year.

plus, he was primarily a qb at Fla St his senior year.. he was a projection at WR

[Santheb]

I've watched Crabtree and he has some amazing skill. The problem is, I don't think he is very fast. Maybe he will turn out to be the real deal, but for now I'm not as high on him as everyone else is.

If we got one or two good linemen in Free Agency, and Crabtree fell to 13, we would definitely have to consider taking him.

Larry Fitz wasn't the fastest (he ran a 4.50 40 yard dash) coming out of college and well..it hasn't hurt him any.

I don't think there's any WR in this draft though that is a home run hit like Calvin Johnson was last year. 6'5, 4.35s 40, 42.5" vert. Ridiculous.

[BigCountry]

I have watched Tim Tebow play more then any other college player I can remember myself watching and I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone is so down on him. I've read about 1000 scouting reports talking about arm strength, accuracy, system, and the more I watch him, the more I realize I would give more validity to a book on GMing written by Vinny Cerrato then I would to these reports. Here's a video of all 51 of Tebow's TD's from last year. It's not the best footage but pay attention to some of these throws. If these aren't NFL throws then please enlighten me as to what qualifies as an NFL throw. He has some flaws but I would bet on a player with his work ethic and drive to get better, and this is before we even begin to talk about his intangibles which are nothing short of superb. Am I crazy or have I been watching a different QB?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsditoWmwNM&feature=related

[shally]

I have watched Tim Tebow play more then any other college player I can remember myself watching and I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone is so down on him. I've read about 1000 scouting reports talking about arm strength, accuracy, system, and the more I watch him, the more I realize I would give more validity to a book on GMing written by Vinny Cerrato then I would to these reports. Here's a video of all 51 of Tebow's TD's from last year. It's not the best footage but pay attention to some of these throws. If these aren't NFL throws then please enlighten me as to what qualifies as an NFL throw. He has some flaws but I would bet on a player with his work ethic and drive to get better, and this is before we even begin to talk about his intangibles which are nothing short of superb. Am I crazy or have I been watching a different QB?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsditoWmwNM&feature=related

it is the nature of scouting to want to poke holes in someones game.. that way a scouts rear end is covered and he can say , i told you so...

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

The players declared eligible are:

Underclassmen declared
Name Position College
Asher Allen DB Georgia
Kenny Britt WR Rutgers
Eben Britton OT Arizona
Donald Brown DB Connecticut
Everette Brown DE Florida St.
Carson Butler TE Michigan
Jairus Byrd DB Oregon
James Casey TE Rice
Jeremy Childs WR Boise St.
Glen Coffee RB Alabama
Emanuel Cook DB South Carolina
Jared Cook TE South Carolina
Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
Andrew Davie TE Arkansas
Davis, Nate QB Ball St.
Vontae Davis DB Illinois
Maurice Evans DE Penn State
Josh Freeman QB Kansas St.
Mike Goodson RB Texas A&M
Shonn Greene RB Iowa
Brian Hartline WR Ohio St.
Percy Harvin WR Florida
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
P.J. Hill RB Wisconsin
Greg Isdaner G West Virginia
Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU
Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn
Aaron Maybin DE Penn State
LeSean McCoy RB Penn State
Andrew Means WR Indiana
D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt
Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
Cameron Morrah TE California
Captain Munnerlyn DB South Carolina
Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina
Kevin Ogletree WR Virginia
Jerraud Powers DB Auburn
Richard Quinn TE North Carolina
Mark Sanchez QB USC
Andre Smith OT Alabama
Sean Smith DB Utah
Matt Stafford QB Georgia
Donald Washington DB Ohio St.
Chris Wells RB Ohio St.
Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech


NFL just released this list of underclassmen eligible for the 2009 draft.
and i also wonder why people give tebow the raw ass so much cause he's one hell of a player.if campbell stinks it up this season,who knows?

[3644Skins]

I have watched Tim Tebow play more then any other college player I can remember myself watching and I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone is so down on him. I've read about 1000 scouting reports talking about arm strength, accuracy, system, and the more I watch him, the more I realize I would give more validity to a book on GMing written by Vinny Cerrato then I would to these reports. Here's a video of all 51 of Tebow's TD's from last year. It's not the best footage but pay attention to some of these throws. If these aren't NFL throws then please enlighten me as to what qualifies as an NFL throw. He has some flaws but I would bet on a player with his work ethic and drive to get better, and this is before we even begin to talk about his intangibles which are nothing short of superb. Am I crazy or have I been watching a different QB?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsditoWmwNM&feature=related

A few things bother me about Tebow...of course he's a system QB which set him back the last 3, soon to be 4 years. Not saying he can't learn b/c he can but those system QB's don't have the best track records....next, he does have a some what quirky release...he doesn't throw the prettiest of balls but when he steps into it does get there. I think he could be given a chance but you're looking at 3 to 4 years of work before he could play. (Like Colt Brennan) To me I just don't see him succeeding as a NFL QB. Maybe as a #2 guy but not a successful starter. He's an athlete and he'll make a team and it would be nice to see him do good but I just don't see it.
If I were running a team I would take a harder look at Jake Locker from Washington before Tebow. He has a stronger arm even though it's erratic and he's a wayyyy better runner and athlete than Tebow. Personal opinion of course.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

I have watched Tim Tebow play more then any other college player I can remember myself watching and I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone is so down on him. I've read about 1000 scouting reports talking about arm strength, accuracy, system, and the more I watch him, the more I realize I would give more validity to a book on GMing written by Vinny Cerrato then I would to these reports. Here's a video of all 51 of Tebow's TD's from last year. It's not the best footage but pay attention to some of these throws. If these aren't NFL throws then please enlighten me as to what qualifies as an NFL throw. He has some flaws but I would bet on a player with his work ethic and drive to get better, and this is before we even begin to talk about his intangibles which are nothing short of superb. Am I crazy or have I been watching a different QB?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsditoWmwNM&feature=related
Tebow is such a fierce competitor and great leader that I think he has the potential to be extremely successful in the National Football League. The problem is, I think that the entire offense would have to be built around him. I just don't see Tebow being able to drop back time after time in a game without all that play action and option stuff. Since no NFL team has the balls to put that kind of an investment in Tebow, I just don't think he will find success.

[BigCountry]

Crabtree falling to the Skins would be wonderful. Not because we would (or should for that matter) take him, but someone would have to trade up to nab him. I love the guy, but we have many more needs (especially since I'm banking on Thomas and Kelly being decent NFL WRs).



Yup, Boldin fell to the second due to a poor 40 time and an injury his junior year.

Some team thought Taylor Jacobs was better.

[fent]

i believe laws was the guy we wanted and philly took him with the pick right before us.. vinnie got that glazed look and started muttering.."my board, my board"

such is our luck.. merling is the guy they should have taken.. hindsight.

looks like philly is bringing laws along slowly but they have the luxury with a decent d line and depth there

should of went merling,laws,and then wr in hindsight

merling was gone before our Thomas pick...we could have taken him at 21, but then we'd have only had 1 pick in the 2nd.

[shally]

Some team thought Taylor Jacobs was better.

boldin was a projection to WR from QB.. he had played some WR at fla state but jacobs was a full time receiver.. mistake happen, but jacobs was not considered a reach in the second round when we took him.. some services had him as a first round talent

[skinsfan36]

boldin was a projection to WR from QB.. he had played some WR at fla state but jacobs was a full time receiver.. mistake happen, but jacobs was not considered a reach in the second round when we took him.. some services had him as a first round talent

hey that sounds like devin thomas hope he turns out much better then tj

[BigCountry]

Some Senior Bowl tidbits:

B.J Raji, DT B.C has established himself as the best lineman, if not the best player. He'd be a great pickup at 13 but might not even be there. He's shown an array of pass rush moves, blown people away with his strength and is just as quick off the ball as his smaller counter parts even though he weighed in at 6'1.5, 334.

Ziggy Hood of Missouri (6'3, 295) has also been impressive, particularly with his quickness off the snap. If we trade down to recoup some picks I think by the time the draft rolls along this kid's status is mid to late first round, and could be someone we look at.

Peria Jerry, DT Ole Miss has impressed in many of the same aspects of Hood but came in smaller then i expected, at 6'1, 290. He does however, have a good base but was engulfed on a couple of one on one drills. I don't think you take him at 13 but would be a nice pickup after a trade up.

Mitch King, DT Iowa is someone we should look at in the mid-rounds. He's only 6'1, 274 and doesn't really have a position on the line but word is he has a good initial push and you won't find anyone with a higher motor or more passion. Great rotational guy to have who can sometimes turn in to a pretty good starter.

Lawrence Sidburry Jr, DE Richmond (6'2 267) was bar none the fastest DE off the ball and one particular reporter in his piece said he was trying to catch a glimpse of Sidburry but couldn't because he was too fast. According to this report Sidburry had already turned the corner when the OT was getting into his stance. Great athlete from a small school and would make a great third round selection

Robert Ayers, DE Tennessee has seen his stock shoot up this season and is keeping that going during practices. At 6'3, 270 he's the prototypical left end for our system and while a couple of DE's down there may be faster, Ayers plays with toughness and apparently also showed a little nasty streak playing the run. Another good third round pickup.

Phil Loadholt, OT Oklahoma did everything that scouts expected him to do. He's a legit 6'8, 350 and dominates in the run game. What shocked me completely is that he showed very good footwork in one on one drills, which gives you hope that perhaps he can be a more complete tackle in the pros. If this continues, could be a nice second round pick if we end up with one.

Class calls, more to come...

[dj_stouty]

Lawrence Sidburry Jr, DE Richmond (6'2 267) was bar none the fastest DE off the ball and one particular reporter in his piece said he was trying to catch a glimpse of Sidburry but couldn't because he was too fast. According to this report Sidburry had already turned the corner when the OT was getting into his stance. Great athlete from a small school and would make a great third round selection...

I was reading an article in today's Richmond Times Dispatch about him being a mid to late round prospect, but it appears after his senior bowl performances, he may very well be a 3rd round guy. I'd love to see the Skins go after him!

[BigCountry]

I was reading an article in today's Richmond Times Dispatch about him being a mid to late round prospect, but it appears after his senior bowl performances, he may very well be a 3rd round guy. I'd love to see the Skins go after him!

If we get a tackle in free agency I'd be happy to pack up and go home if we could get him and Raji in the same draft, who BTW was tossing Alex Mack around today with relative ease(Antoine Caldwell from Bama has looked equally as good as Mack so far, but overall they have both been impressive). Phil Loadholt is reverting back to his old self today which is dissapointing. The player that beat him on a couple of plays, Connor Barwin, is one of my favorite players. He reminds me a lot of Aaron Schobel from Buffalo and the reason he wasn't in any of the defensive line drills up until today is that he was playing tight end and from what I read and saw, was holding his own. A little undersized at 6'3, 255 but is another one of those kids with a great motor and passion and is pretty athletic.

[Meatsnack]

After listening to the comments from the old Titans GM, Reese, about how Van denBosch totally energized the whole defense with his overwhelming motor in practice, it does make me think we could use a couple of guys like that on both sides of the football.

I hadn't really heard of Barwin. My current favorite quasi-sleeper is Joe Burnett from UCF. The kid has 16 pics in his college career and is top 10 in both kick and punt returns, with a couple of scores in each of the last two years. The kid averaged over 100 yards per game in returns of kicks/punts/interceptions in 2008. I think he will go in the 4th unless he blows-up in the 40. Too bad we don't have a 4th rounder...

[shally]

Some Senior Bowl tidbits:

B.J Raji, DT B.C has established himself as the best lineman, if not the best player. He'd be a great pickup at 13 but might not even be there. He's shown an array of pass rush moves, blown people away with his strength and is just as quick off the ball as his smaller counter parts even though he weighed in at 6'1.5, 334.

Ziggy Hood of Missouri (6'3, 295) has also been impressive, particularly with his quickness off the snap. If we trade down to recoup some picks I think by the time the draft rolls along this kid's status is mid to late first round, and could be someone we look at.

Peria Jerry, DT Ole Miss has impressed in many of the same aspects of Hood but came in smaller then i expected, at 6'1, 290. He does however, have a good base but was engulfed on a couple of one on one drills. I don't think you take him at 13 but would be a nice pickup after a trade up.

Mitch King, DT Iowa is someone we should look at in the mid-rounds. He's only 6'1, 274 and doesn't really have a position on the line but word is he has a good initial push and you won't find anyone with a higher motor or more passion. Great rotational guy to have who can sometimes turn in to a pretty good starter.

Lawrence Sidburry Jr, DE Richmond (6'2 267) was bar none the fastest DE off the ball and one particular reporter in his piece said he was trying to catch a glimpse of Sidburry but couldn't because he was too fast. According to this report Sidburry had already turned the corner when the OT was getting into his stance. Great athlete from a small school and would make a great third round selection

Robert Ayers, DE Tennessee has seen his stock shoot up this season and is keeping that going during practices. At 6'3, 270 he's the prototypical left end for our system and while a couple of DE's down there may be faster, Ayers plays with toughness and apparently also showed a little nasty streak playing the run. Another good third round pickup.

Phil Loadholt, OT Oklahoma did everything that scouts expected him to do. He's a legit 6'8, 350 and dominates in the run game. What shocked me completely is that he showed very good footwork in one on one drills, which gives you hope that perhaps he can be a more complete tackle in the pros. If this continues, could be a nice second round pick if we end up with one.

Class calls, more to come...

raji = warren sapp, in a bigger body

same kind of issues about effort and taking plays off some times. because of that he just might drift down a little. plus, the pros tend to favor DE's over DT's all things being equal because of pass rush potential.

he might just be there

[fent]

I was reading an article in today's Richmond Times Dispatch about him being a mid to late round prospect, but it appears after his senior bowl performances, he may very well be a 3rd round guy. I'd love to see the Skins go after him!

i dunno...here's another report on him from the SR Bowl...

Richmond DE Lawrence Sidbury had some ups and downs, beating Jason Watkins off the edge on one play then getting sealed off by Michael Oher the next. Sidbury just doesn't look real fast and I don't really know what to think of him. I do really like his long arms though and he could surprise. Is he a 3-4 DE???

[BigCountry]

i dunno...here's another report on him from the SR Bowl...

Oher got beat on his first one on one drill and got chewed out. After that, nobody got past him so it might be a little unfair to judge there. Remember we're talking about a small school prospect who's calling card is going to be athleticism at this point so naturally he will have those ups and downs.

[fent]

Oher got beat on his first one on one drill and got chewed out. After that, nobody got past him so it might be a little unfair to judge there. Remember we're talking about a small school prospect who's calling card is going to be athleticism at this point so naturally he will have those ups and downs.

yeah, he's definitely a project likely worth taking a shot on.

for what it's worth, the skins were seen talking to the following players so far.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Clay-Matthews.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/Patrick-Chung.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Zack-Follett.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Brian-Robiskie.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Tim-Jamison.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/Max-Unger.php

[JasonCampbell]

yeah, he's definitely a project likely worth taking a shot on.

for what it's worth, the skins were seen talking to the following players so far.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Clay-Matthews.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/Patrick-Chung.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Zack-Follett.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Brian-Robiskie.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Tim-Jamison.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/Max-Unger.php

And positions

LB
S
LB
WR
DE
C

[BigCountry]

yeah, he's definitely a project likely worth taking a shot on.

for what it's worth, the skins were seen talking to the following players so far.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Clay-Matthews.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/Patrick-Chung.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Zack-Follett.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Brian-Robiskie.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Tim-Jamison.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/Max-Unger.php

I like Jamison. He's not the flashiest guy but has some athleticism and his pass rush techniques looked fundementaly sound. Unger had some good moments and then moments where he got tossed around (Particularly by Raji, but then who wasn't?) but overall he got better as the day went on. He needs to get a lot stronger or he's just a younger Casey Rabach. Sometimes I even think he'd be better suited at LT. Reminds of somewhat of Matt Lepsis. I hope they're considering Zach Follett as a situational pass rusher because he looked pretty stiff in linebacker drills. Patrick Chung is a great player and one of those "playmakers" Vinny was talking about but if we take a safety on the first day this franchise should pack up and move to L.A.

[skinsfan36]

I like Jamison. He's not the flashiest guy but has some athleticism and his pass rush techniques looked fundementaly sound. Unger had some good moments and then moments where he got tossed around (Particularly by Raji, but then who wasn't?) but overall he got better as the day went on. He needs to get a lot stronger or he's just a younger Casey Rabach. Sometimes I even think he'd be better suited at LT. Reminds of somewhat of Matt Lepsis. I hope they're considering Zach Follett as a situational pass rusher because he looked pretty stiff in linebacker drills. Patrick Chung is a great player and one of those "playmakers" Vinny was talking about but if we take a safety on the first day this franchise should pack up and move to L.A.

per a pay site we also had a meeting with another safety hip vaughn. why?
also lb brian cushing from usc, coyes francis cb from san jose state,and center jonathan luigs from arkansas

[BigCountry]

per a pay site we also had a meeting with another safety hip vaughn. why?
also lb brian cushing from usc, coyes francis cb from san jose state,and center jonathan luigs from arkansas

Luigs is an interesting guy. He can play multiple positions and has athleticism relative to his position but his lower body needs a little work. He is super smart though which is what you want from your center. Overall, Mack and Caldwell have pulled away but Luigs is right up there with Wood and Unger fighting it out for third. Should go anywhere between rounds 2 and 4.

[LASkin]

yeah, he's definitely a project likely worth taking a shot on.

for what it's worth, the skins were seen talking to the following players so far.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Clay-Matthews.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/Patrick-Chung.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Zack-Follett.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Brian-Robiskie.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Tim-Jamison.php

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/Max-Unger.php


I've seen all of Clay Matthews' games. I love his motor and his drive, but he would be a terrible pick for the Skins. He plays the same position as the two undersized DEs who start now, and he is much smaller than either (at about 245 lbs). Love him as a player, he is an incredible overachiever who was originally a walk-on. However, he makes sense only for a team with an elephant DE or a traditional 3-4 defense. He is not a 4-3 DE and will not become one - just doesn't have the size. Think Lamar Woodley.

[Hr fan]

Hence a perfect Ceratto pick!

[skinsfan36]

Luigs is an interesting guy. He can play multiple positions and has athleticism relative to his position but his lower body needs a little work. He is super smart though which is what you want from your center. Overall, Mack and Caldwell have pulled away but Luigs is right up there with Wood and Unger fighting it out for third. Should go anywhere between rounds 2 and 4.

caldwell has passed unger as unger has crapped the bed this week

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Brian Orakpo...

[sinskin]

Love the scenario. What team with a bad record thinks it is one player away?

Without reading any of the posts past this one my answer is the Skins