Singletary given Multi-Year Extension as 49ers HC

[49erfan]

As a 49ers fan the difference in play between the team coached by Nolan and Singletary has been HUGE. Gotta love Singletarys attitude and enthusiasm for the game. Oh it's more or less been said that Martz is out after this year as the OC.

Here is the link to the story by one of the beat writers for the Niners.
http://www.sacbee.com/sf49ers/story/1498221.html?mi_rss=49ers

[Keino]

I am happy to see this. I thought all along that he deserved it, despite his mooning the team at hafltime.

[rskinsfan10]

I am happy to see this. I thought all along that he deserved it, despite his mooning the team at hafltime.Ditto. Obviously the mooning worked in some ways.

[shally]

i thought the mooning was clownish.. think about the outrage here if zorn had done something like that.

two thoughts

the team seems to be responding well for him, but it is truly hard to tell because they play in such a weak conference


mike has signaled that martz is going in the off season and the offense will be re shaped into a much more conservative unit.. that is high risk, because as we have all seen here, taking away the offense from a team puts the defense under a huge amount of pressure week in and week out. it is one thing to be conservative, it is another to just not contribute. mike deserves to have his own man, but this could backfire for him...

[Biggie]

I thought there was a rule that they had to consider other candidates before they announced a hire? Didn't St. Louis have this problem with Haslett?

[shally]

I thought there was a rule that they had to consider other candidates before they announced a hire? Didn't St. Louis have this problem with Haslett?

definitely happened to haslett.. maybe since singletary is minority it doesnt apply to him ?

just a little off topic, but since the nfl has a "rooney rule" and college doesnt look at the comparison.. out of ALL the div 1 schools, there are i believe, only 4 minority HC's at the college level (after sly crooms resigned at MSU and ty willingham was not retained at UW)

that is beyond a disgrace.. but it also means that guys like dewayne walker are going to move back to the nfl to coach at the higher levels, rather than waiting for opportunities that never come... something needs to be done because the hypocrisy of the college presidents smells

[49erfan]

I thought there was a rule that they had to consider other candidates before they announced a hire? Didn't St. Louis have this problem with Haslett?

The ink hasn't been put to paper yet but it's reported that very soon after the redskins game the 49ers will get it done.

[49erfan]

i thought the mooning was clownish.. think about the outrage here if zorn had done something like that.

two thoughts

the team seems to be responding well for him, but it is truly hard to tell because they play in such a weak conference


mike has signaled that martz is going in the off season and the offense will be re shaped into a much more conservative unit.. that is high risk, because as we have all seen here, taking away the offense from a team puts the defense under a huge amount of pressure week in and week out. it is one thing to be conservative, it is another to just not contribute. mike deserves to have his own man, but this could backfire for him...

I agree, our offense has actually looked pretty good since Singletary took over. Shaun Hill has done well and we are looking pretty good. I like Martz a lot and a major concern for many niner fans is that the offense will just go back and be horrible like 2007 again.

There are a number of possibilities for the niners and I think the consensus is we could very well look at a number of OC's familiar with the West Coast Offense. Who knows though.

[CNYSkinFan]

well deserved. Wish he was here...moon and all

[Keino]

I thought there was a rule that they had to consider other candidates before they announced a hire? Didn't St. Louis have this problem with Haslett?

The requirement is to interview one minority candidate. If they hire a minority, then I think it's safe to assume that they interviewed him putting them in full compliance with the Rooney rule.

[shally]

The requirement is to interview one minority candidate. If they hire a minority, then I think it's safe to assume that they interviewed him putting them in full compliance with the Rooney rule.

they need a rooney rule for colleges..(it is tentatively to be called the eddie robinson rule)

[Death_Venom]

well deserved. Wish he was here...moon and all

I will pass on that......

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Singletary get's the best out of all the players around him. The 'niners are going to be much better next year.

[shally]

Singletary get's the best out of all the players around him. The 'niners are going to be much better next year.

maybe.. i can see them going the other way as well.. especially, if they flounder on offense

[WarEagle]

Did you guys know that Singletary has become a running joke on the David Letterman show? I've seen at least 2 of these skits where an actor playing the coach spouts nonsense as Dave tries to ask him questions. Here's one. I've never seen a Singletary newser, so I don't know if this is a good impression or what.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGfueEHj1Ks

[49erfan]

maybe.. i can see them going the other way as well.. especially, if they flounder on offense

That's very true. Which is why i was very much in support of keeping Mike Martz to get some consistency on offense. You guys know this will be the 7th OC we will have in 7 years. Not good.

Potential OC's i hope we are looking in to include Gil Haskell from Seattle, Ken Zampese in Cincinnati, Pat Shurmer in Philly and if Norv Turner gets fired i'd like to have him back.

We do have a top 5 RB in Gore. Our o-line is fine (besides for RT) and we have young up and coming receivers in Jason Hill and Josh Morgan (check out these highlights from Morgan who is a rookie 6th round pick by the way

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d8b246

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80bc88f5

[PyroGenic]

Isn't Gore hurt too often to be considered a cornerstone to build upon?

[Farmer Ted]

just a little off topic, but since the nfl has a "rooney rule" and college doesnt look at the comparison.. out of ALL the div 1 schools, there are i believe, only 4 minority HC's at the college level (after sly crooms resigned at MSU and ty willingham was not retained at UW)

that is beyond a disgrace.. but it also means that guys like dewayne walker are going to move back to the nfl to coach at the higher levels, rather than waiting for opportunities that never come... something needs to be done because the hypocrisy of the college presidents smells

Auburn hiring away the head coach from IOWA STATE was pretty embarrassing, I have to say.

[49erfan]

Isn't Gore hurt too often to be considered a cornerstone to build upon?

Uh what? He has been the starter here in SF for 3 seasons (including this season) and has only missed 3 games.

[PyroGenic]

Uh what? He has been the starter here in SF for 3 seasons (including this season) and has only missed 3 games.

Hmmm... I guess I was mistaken. To be honest, most of my knowledge of the guy comes from fantasy football; the 9ers don't exactly get a lot of national exposure, and when they do, I usually don't watch. I've never owned him either and TMR just tells everybody to stay from the guy lol

A quick glance at his numbers this year show that he's not top5 in ANY category for running backs, except for maybe his APC, which is at a respectable 4.3. He's 8th for reception TDs with 2, 13th in rushing yards, but also the first back in 9ers history to possibly rush for 1,000 yards in 3 consecutive seasons, 24th in the league with 6 rushing TDs, and has 42 receptions for 367 yards.

Overall, he's above average, not elite, but it definitely looks like he has the ability to become one of the better backs if his team improves judging by his 2006 season. His 3 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons makes me liken him to Stephen Davis, and they look like a similar prototype of runner, so that's good. The major negative I see in him is that his production has steadily declined since he became a starter in 2006 and put up those impressive numbers. So take whatever you want from that.

[shally]

Hmmm... I guess I was mistaken. To be honest, most of my knowledge of the guy comes from fantasy football; the 9ers don't exactly get a lot of national exposure, and when they do, I usually don't watch. I've never owned him either and TMR just tells everybody to stay from the guy lol

A quick glance at his numbers this year show that he's not top5 in ANY category for running backs, except for maybe his APC, which is at a respectable 4.3. He's 8th for reception TDs with 2, 13th in rushing yards, but also the first back in 9ers history to possibly rush for 1,000 yards in 3 consecutive seasons, 24th in the league with 6 rushing TDs, and has 42 receptions for 367 yards.

Overall, he's above average, not elite, but it definitely looks like he has the ability to become one of the better backs if his team improves judging by his 2006 season. His 3 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons makes me liken him to Stephen Davis, and they look like a similar prototype of runner, so that's good. The major negative I see in him is that his production has steadily declined since he became a starter in 2006 and put up those impressive numbers. So take whatever you want from that.

i would take that the niner offensive line has been substandard for a long time..lol

[PyroGenic]

i would take that the niner offensive line has been substandard for a long time..lol

Well, yeah, that too lol

[49erfan]

Hmmm... I guess I was mistaken. To be honest, most of my knowledge of the guy comes from fantasy football; the 9ers don't exactly get a lot of national exposure, and when they do, I usually don't watch. I've never owned him either and TMR just tells everybody to stay from the guy lol

A quick glance at his numbers this year show that he's not top5 in ANY category for running backs, except for maybe his APC, which is at a respectable 4.3. He's 8th for reception TDs with 2, 13th in rushing yards, but also the first back in 9ers history to possibly rush for 1,000 yards in 3 consecutive seasons, 24th in the league with 6 rushing TDs, and has 42 receptions for 367 yards.

Overall, he's above average, not elite, but it definitely looks like he has the ability to become one of the better backs if his team improves judging by his 2006 season. His 3 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons makes me liken him to Stephen Davis, and they look like a similar prototype of runner, so that's good. The major negative I see in him is that his production has steadily declined since he became a starter in 2006 and put up those impressive numbers. So take whatever you want from that.

Gore has missed the last 2 games, of course his #'s will be down compared to RB's who have played 15 games so far. Before the injury Gore was 3rd in all purpose yards behind Portis and Forte. Considering the way Martz runs his offenses (not running a whole lot) it's pretty darn impressive. Plus if you have seen the way our o-line plays you would wonder where the hell Gore has got any of his yards from.

Don't even bother with 2007 bro. Go to any 49ers forum and mention the name Jim Hostler (49ers OC in 2007) and you will quickly see what i'm talking about.

Whenever Gore gets any kind of blocking he can make plays instantly. If it is any way possible watch the 49ers games against the Cowboys and Giants, in fact almost any game this year and you will see the kind of blocking he gets. If you put any RB with the blocking and scheme Gore has to work with you would see a major dropoff in their production too. Honestly i know RB's like Portis, Adrian Peterson etc etc are good but i would love to see how they would run behind SF's o-line. Even for 1 game.

[49erfan]

i would take that the niner offensive line has been substandard for a long time..lol

The o-line was pretty decent in 2006 when we had Jonas Jennings play 13 games at LT, Larry Allen play well at LG, Heitmann did good at C and Smiley was good at RG. Since then the o-line has been quite horrible indeed. Again with regards to run blocking you will see what i'm talking about later on today.

[PyroGenic]

Gore has missed the last 2 games, of course his #'s will be down compared to RB's who have played 15 games so far. Before the injury Gore was 3rd in all purpose yards behind Portis and Forte. Considering the way Martz runs his offenses (not running a whole lot) it's pretty darn impressive. Plus if you have seen the way our o-line plays you would wonder where the hell Gore has got any of his yards from.

Don't even bother with 2007 bro. Go to any 49ers forum and mention the name Jim Hostler (49ers OC in 2007) and you will quickly see what i'm talking about.

Whenever Gore gets any kind of blocking he can make plays instantly. If it is any way possible watch the 49ers games against the Cowboys and Giants, in fact almost any game this year and you will see the kind of blocking he gets. If you put any RB with the blocking and scheme Gore has to work with you would see a major dropoff in their production too. Honestly i know RB's like Portis, Adrian Peterson etc etc are good but i would love to see how they would run behind SF's o-line. Even for 1 game.

Good points, and I see where you're coming from. I understand that having the best guy on your team attacked by a guy with lackluster knowledge about him can make a person sort of defensive, but production is production. I already know the lines are what make most running backs, that's why you can almost plug anybody behind the o line of the Giants, Indy, Minnesota, or even Dallas when they're not having a brain fart and get decent production, but it's a factor you just have to deal with. I assume that when anybody with any decent amount of football knowledge talks about a running game, they automatically include the o-line and not just the running back. That's why I almost never mention it because it's like, no crap you need a good o-line for anybody on offense to be able to do anything, duh.

Injuries are an unfortunate occurrence that may make it somewhat unfair to judge players, but they're a part of the game, so you have to. Portis is banged up and his production has dropped significantly from earlier in the season. Zorn even sat him after Portis barely played in the Ravens game, but you're not going to see a little asterisk beside his name at the end of the season saying "Umm, well, you see, ummm, Portis was hurt, so he would have really gotten like 300 more yards if you take into account his previous yardage per game and TDs, and he ummmm, should definitely be MVP. Yeah." No. That's never going to happen, and if it did, it'd be the stupidest thing ever. So don't make excuses for your guy, deal with it.

As for hostler, I share in your pain of crappy OCs that squander away talent lol

Side note: I'm not getting why you'd think the Redskins o-line is any good. If you perused through the forums, you'd see gargantuan threads complaining about various players on the line and even petitions to fire the fool of a GM we have. We had 1 good guy in Samuels, but he's on IR. Now it's a bunch of old guys that suck and rookies that are too small to run block. I don't know if that's still better than what you have over in San Francisco, but if it is, Jesus, that's horrible.

[49erfan]

Good points, and I see where you're coming from. I understand that having the best guy on your team attacked by a guy with lackluster knowledge about him can make a person sort of defensive, but production is production. I already know the lines are what make most running backs, that's why you can almost plug anybody behind the o line of the Giants, Indy, Minnesota, or even Dallas when they're not having a brain fart and get decent production, but it's a factor you just have to deal with. I assume that when anybody with any decent amount of football knowledge talks about a running game, they automatically include the o-line and not just the running back. That's why I almost never mention it because it's like, no crap you need a good o-line for anybody on offense to be able to do anything, duh.

Injuries are an unfortunate occurrence that may make it somewhat unfair to judge players, but they're a part of the game, so you have to. Portis is banged up and his production has dropped significantly from earlier in the season. Zorn even sat him after Portis barely played in the Ravens game, but you're not going to see a little asterisk beside his name at the end of the season saying "Umm, well, you see, ummm, Portis was hurt, so he would have really gotten like 300 more yards if you take into account his previous yardage per game and TDs, and he ummmm, should definitely be MVP. Yeah." No. That's never going to happen, and if it did, it'd be the stupidest thing ever. So don't make excuses for your guy, deal with it.

As for hostler, I share in your pain of crappy OCs that squander away talent lol

Side note: I'm not getting why you'd think the Redskins o-line is any good. If you perused through the forums, you'd see gargantuan threads complaining about various players on the line and even petitions to fire the fool of a GM we have. We had 1 good guy in Samuels, but he's on IR. Now it's a bunch of old guys that suck and rookies that are too small to run block. I don't know if that's still better than what you have over in San Francisco, but if it is, Jesus, that's horrible.

You can call them excuses, i call them facts. I'm not saying Gore should be in the pro-bowl or anything like that. But lets compare what Gore did with 13 games to what every other RB did with 13 games.

Hypothetical situation: Lets say 2 rookie QB's come to the NFL, 1 gets injured after 10 games and the other plays a full season. Lets say they are both playing at a similar level too. Of course the QB who plays 16 games is gonna have the bigger stats BUT to say the QB who played the 16 games is better is simply not true.

I'm saying Gore is arguably a top 5 RB. His stats prior to his injury would suggest he was right there. Again top 3 in all purpose yards for RB's ain't too shabby, especially when you play in an offense which doesn't really ever use a FB to help the RB and is in an offense where the running game isn't used as much when compared to nearly any other offensive scheme in the NFL.

[PyroGenic]

I'm aware of what being injured entails. I don't see how deeming Gore's injuries as "facts" makes it any better than excuses, you can label it however you want, it's still reality and the bottom line is that Gore's running totals are still declining ever since his huge year in '06.

I know Gore is good. I don't think he's elite, but he's still good and would benefit from a better oline, but so would every other offensive playmaker in the NFL, so I don't know how much that is saying. By digging through your team stats and looking at varying sources of analysis, Gore is basically your team, though. So.... I guess I agree with you? lol

[shally]

I'm aware of what being injured entails. I don't see how deeming Gore's injuries as "facts" makes it any better than excuses, you can label it however you want, it's still reality and the bottom line is that Gore's running totals are still declining ever since his huge year in '06.

I know Gore is good. I don't think he's elite, but he's still good and would benefit from a better oline, but so would every other offensive playmaker in the NFL, so I don't know how much that is saying. By digging through your team stats and looking at varying sources of analysis, Gore is basically your team, though. So.... I guess I agree with you? lol

their last winning streak was accomplished without gore.. it was due to improved qb play by hill

[PyroGenic]

their last winning streak was accomplished without gore.. it was due to improved qb play by hill

Well then, I suppose my extended olive branch was rooted in a farce. Oh well :D

[49erfan]

I'm aware of what being injured entails. I don't see how deeming Gore's injuries as "facts" makes it any better than excuses, you can label it however you want, it's still reality and the bottom line is that Gore's running totals are still declining ever since his huge year in '06.

I know Gore is good. I don't think he's elite, but he's still good and would benefit from a better oline, but so would every other offensive playmaker in the NFL, so I don't know how much that is saying. By digging through your team stats and looking at varying sources of analysis, Gore is basically your team, though. So.... I guess I agree with you? lol

I'm sorry but i have to completely disagree about the injury and stats.

You guys saw it in the game today, Gore was only in there like less than half the time. Every time he touched the ball he got solid yardage. Gore is elite.

Agree to disagree?

[49erfan]

OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED THAT SINGLETARY IS REMAINING AS HC!!

AWESOME DAY TODAY!

[PyroGenic]

I'm sorry but i have to completely disagree about the injury and stats.

You guys saw it in the game today, Gore was only in there like less than half the time. Every time he touched the ball he got solid yardage. Gore is elite.

Agree to disagree?

Yeah, let's do that. I don't see either one of us giving up ground. I think our defense blows so today doesn't count :D