Zorn confirms 13th overall pick, more details

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Via the Washington Times, Zorn has revealed that the 'skins will have the 13th overall pick (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/coach_zorns_final_presser_of_t.html?wprss=redskins insider) in the NFL draft. He also hinted that the 'skins will probably not trade the pick, and that the player drafted will be expected to bring results immediately.

Since linemen usually bring the most immediate results, hopefully he is hinting at a great O lineman or DT. Linebackers also generally bring results fast, so if we lose Marcus Washington it's possible we get a linebacker like Brian Cushing or Aaron Curry. I'd rather focus on the lines though.

So maybe we will draft by need for the first time in years...

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Via the Washington Times, Zorn has revealed that the 'skins will have the 13th overall pick (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/coach_zorns_final_presser_of_t.html?wprss=redskins insider) in the NFL draft. He also hinted that the 'skins will probably not trade the pick, and that the player drafted will be expected to bring results immediately.

Since linemen usually bring the most immediate results, hopefully he is hinting at a great O lineman or DT. Linebackers also generally bring results fast, so if we lose Marcus Washington it's possible we get a linebacker like Brian Cushing or Aaron Curry. I'd rather focus on the lines though.

So maybe we will draft by need for the first time in years...

Yep, that's how Zorn rolls you know? He likes to get immediate results out of rookies.

And no way we get Curry with the 13th overall.

[joethefan]

Well there is a lot that can happen in between that time...if Zorn is telling what will be done, why is he having conversations like that already...he doesn't know what will happen in the months to come....or does he.

[joethefan]

Via the Washington Times, Zorn has revealed that the 'skins will have the 13th overall pick (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/coach_zorns_final_presser_of_t.html?wprss=redskins insider) in the NFL draft. He also hinted that the 'skins will probably not trade the pick, and that the player drafted will be expected to bring results immediately.

Since linemen usually bring the most immediate results, hopefully he is hinting at a great O lineman or DT. Linebackers also generally bring results fast, so if we lose Marcus Washington it's possible we get a linebacker like Brian Cushing or Aaron Curry. I'd rather focus on the lines though.

So maybe we will draft by need for the first time in years...

din't we draft for need this year by bringing in not 1 BUT 2 big WR's and 1 pass catching TE?......eh isn't that need?

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

din't we draft for need this year by bringing in not 1 BUT 2 big WR's and 1 pass catching TE?......eh isn't that need?
I think by need he means our biggest need. And that means DL/OL

[joethefan]

yea but my point is what kind of clout or pull does zorn have to speak so openly about whether they will keep or trade the pick so early?....Am I missing something? does he actually know whats gonna happen in the future?..This proves to me he truely doesn't know Frick and Frack as we as fans do.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

he has to pick a DT this draft cause the skins have been avoiding that for years.he needs to work on the oline and the dl before anything else unless he wants jason campbell to perfect the art of throwing on his back looking straight up.

[MadDog97]

din't we draft for need this year by bringing in not 1 BUT 2 big WR's and 1 pass catching TE?......eh isn't that need?

No, we did not draft on need. We needed one receiver which was Thomas. We did not need a TE and another 2nd round receiver. It was common knowledge that we need offensive and defensive line help. The smart thing to do was to draft two offensive lineman and Thomas in the second.

Zorn is talking out loud but we will see who has final say. I think Zorn is pushing for lineman, and I agree. We need to go with offensive line, defensive line, and linebacker as the priorities.

[BSMKF]

O-Line and D-Line baby!!!


Oh yeah and lets try to sneak a bad ass kick returner late.

[lorimike]

he has to pick a DT this draft cause the skins have been avoiding that for years.he needs to work on the oline and the dl before anything else unless he wants jason campbell to perfect the art of throwing on his back looking straight up.<<<

BJ Raji
DT-Boston College 6-1 323. A little like Warren Sapp

[JsMaViSd]

<<<

BJ Raji
DT-Boston College 6-1 323. A little like Warren Sapp

boy would i love to have him

[joethefan]

all he has to do is show the stat of 38 sacks and what place that holds in the league and he should win his argument.....

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

why not go aftr smith from alabama?he's a jr,but he's gonna have to come out now cause he signed with an agent.last time we got an O lineman from the tide,he was/is pretyy good.this kid won theoutland trophy this year,must be pretty good.

[Keino]

I don't know why anyone thinks that we are going to address needs in the draft. Vinny has very clearly and on more than one occasion (and as recently as 2 weeks ago) said that he doesn't believe in drafting for need, but the best player available according to his draft board, regardless of position.

I think discussing potential linemen being drafted is a futile effort and a waste of good brain cells. Wishful thinking.

[Epochalypse]

Via the Washington Times, Zorn has revealed that the 'skins will have the 13th overall pick (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/coach_zorns_final_presser_of_t.html?wprss=redskins insider) in the NFL draft. He also hinted that the 'skins will probably not trade the pick, and that the player drafted will be expected to bring results immediately.

Since linemen usually bring the most immediate results, hopefully he is hinting at a great O lineman or DT. Linebackers also generally bring results fast, so if we lose Marcus Washington it's possible we get a linebacker like Brian Cushing or Aaron Curry. I'd rather focus on the lines though.

So maybe we will draft by need for the first time in years...

Didn't know you could draft a FO...

[Fackler Flash]

smith is expected to be a top 5 pick

I think we will draft the best player available, luckily there will be a lot to choose from at 13. I personnally am hoping for a DT, with the 3rd rounder on another OL to work under Buges for a year or two and then step into a starting spot (which I hope is working for Reinhart also).

[dj_stouty]

I don't know why anyone thinks that we are going to address needs in the draft. Vinny has very clearly and on more than one occasion (and as recently as 2 weeks ago) said that he doesn't believe in drafting for need, but the best player available according to his draft board, regardless of position.

I think discussing potential linemen being drafted is a futile effort and a waste of good brain cells. Wishful thinking.

He also said he was looking at RBs in the early rounds last season. I could see Vinny doing something like that in this draft; getting rid of the Skins' best offensive player and replacing him by a RB hopefull while continuing to dismiss the o-line and d-line problems.

Vinny is such a joke. Sitting at (unlucky) # 13 should guarantee us at least one solid DE, DT or OT prospect. Rank em and pick one, Vinny - you dog!

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

13th might barely be high enough for Jerry.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I don't know why anyone thinks that we are going to address needs in the draft. Vinny has very clearly and on more than one occasion (and as recently as 2 weeks ago) said that he doesn't believe in drafting for need, but the best player available according to his draft board, regardless of position.

I think discussing potential linemen being drafted is a futile effort and a waste of good brain cells. Wishful thinking.

While I agree with your statement, in fairness to Vinny (can't believe I said that), he did also say they had some lineman rated very high that they would have taken, but when so many lineman were drafted earlier in the first round last year the ones that were left were not rated very high by the Skins.

[Keino]

While I agree with your statement, in fairness to Vinny (can't believe I said that), he did also say they had some lineman rated very high that they would have taken, but when so many lineman were drafted earlier in the first round last year the ones that were left were not rated very high by the Skins.

Yea, but when he said that he went on to mention a Lineman everyone and their mother knew wouldn't be around at pick 21. Similar to his Jerod Mayo comments. I think that is more of an indictment of his abilities as a GM rather than a mitigating factor.

[MDBluefinCrab]

Vinny will draft a punter with that 13th pick!

[warpaint]

He also said he was looking at RBs in the early rounds last season. I could see Vinny doing something like that in this draft; getting rid of the Skins' best offensive player and replacing him by a RB hopefull while continuing to dismiss the o-line and d-line problems.

Vinny is such a joke. Sitting at (unlucky) # 13 should guarantee us at least one solid DE, DT or OT prospect. Rank em and pick one, Vinny - you dog!

i say lets go with a receiver or a defensive back in the draft,why in the world would we need a 6 7 350 pound lineman,just add a lot of expenses to the training camp food expenses . have to wonder where we would be today if we had made russ grimn our head coach last year, surely we werent have taken the same three second round picks.

[shally]

why not go aftr smith from alabama?he's a jr,but he's gonna have to come out now cause he signed with an agent.last time we got an O lineman from the tide,he was/is pretyy good.this kid won theoutland trophy this year,must be pretty good.

smith is fat and out of shape.. worse version of shaun rogers... he takes alot of plays off.

pass

jerry or raji are the better players

[SkinKing]

Via the Washington Times, Zorn has revealed that the 'skins will have the 13th overall pick (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/coach_zorns_final_presser_of_t.html?wprss=redskins insider) in the NFL draft. He also hinted that the 'skins will probably not trade the pick, and that the player drafted will be expected to bring results immediately.

Since linemen usually bring the most immediate results, hopefully he is hinting at a great O lineman or DT. Linebackers also generally bring results fast, so if we lose Marcus Washington it's possible we get a linebacker like Brian Cushing or Aaron Curry. I'd rather focus on the lines though.

So maybe we will draft by need for the first time in years...

I would even take a DE with this pick. We need to upgrade our pass rush from the edge. A DT would be nice, but they are usually gap fillers.

[shally]

I would even take a DE with this pick. We need to upgrade our pass rush from the edge. A DT would be nice, but they are usually gap fillers.

when we take a DE with the 13th pick the sun will rise in the west !!!

any lineman taken that early will be on the offensive side..

if it is a defensive player taken there, it will be a corner (gag) or a linebacker (semi gag)

[colkurtz]

Vinny is drafting. He had a 10% success rate this season with his draft picks. He believes in BPA.

This franchise will stay mediocre as long as he is the defacto GM.

Zorn will last another year.

[Epochalypse]

Vinny is drafting. He had a 10% success rate this season with his draft picks. He believes in BPA.

This franchise will stay mediocre as long as he is the defacto GM.

Zorn will last another year.

So with that success rate his next hit will be in 2011.

[SkinKing]

when we take a DE with the 13th pick the sun will rise in the west !!!

any lineman taken that early will be on the offensive side..

if it is a defensive player taken there, it will be a corner (gag) or a linebacker (semi gag)

LOL somehow I think your on to something.. I'm sure Vinny will go RB, LB, LB, QB... just a gut feeling.

[Skaggsrules]

Immediate impact at need position? So Danny Boy and Vinny are going to push for Percy Harvin?

[silverspring]

Since we have no picks, i hope we trade down again. I think you get the best value in the second round.

[Epochalypse]

Since we have no picks, i hope we trade down again. I think you get the best value in the second round.

I'd rather get the right player at the right time. If that's at 13 so be it. If not I'd rather trade down then reach on someone. Of course this all depends on Vinny's ability to construct a solid draft board...

[fpickering]

There are 3 or 4 highly rated OT and it would be prudent
For us to draft one of them.

[Epochalypse]

There are 3 or 4 highly rated OT and it would be prudent
For us to draft one of them.

Right now Vinny is looking up the word prudent and shaking his head..."nope that won't do at all, no sir...."

[fpickering]

smith is fat and out of shape.. worse version of shaun rogers... he takes alot of plays off.

pass

jerry or raji are the better players

I think the orig poster was referring to OT Andre Smith, but he shoud be long gone by #13.

The other top OT prospects are from Baylor, Ole Miss and UVA any of which I'd love to have.

[skinsfan36]

smith is fat and out of shape.. worse version of shaun rogers... he takes alot of plays off.

pass

jerry or raji are the better players

lol shally andre smith ot not terrence cody(next rogers)

[shally]

lol shally andre smith ot not terrence cody(next rogers)

d-oh

my bad !! so sorry about that...

[Nomad]

1. Zorn is coaching for his job next year, for sure. Without big improvement, he is probably gone.

2. The 13th overall pick should be an immediate contributor. I don't take this as favoritism for a position, but merely the salary reality in today's NFL.

3. Saying you intend to keep the pick creates the perception that you value it, even if your plan is to trade it. As opposed to Vinny, who telegrams his intent to trade down, letting everyone know they can lowball us because we are desperate for picks. Yet another reason a GM shouldn't have a radio show, but rather play things close to the vest.

[shally]

1. Zorn is coaching for his job next year, for sure. Without big improvement, he is probably gone.

2. The 13th overall pick should be an immediate contributor. I don't take this as favoritism for a position, but merely the salary reality in today's NFL.

3. Saying you intend to keep the pick creates the perception that you value it, even if your plan is to trade it. As opposed to Vinny, who telegrams his intent to trade down, letting everyone know they can lowball us because we are desperate for picks. Yet another reason a GM shouldn't have a radio show, but rather play things close to the vest.

no question, he and campbell will BOTH be playing for their contracts next year.

there are only 2 positions where you can usually count on a player starting from year 1.

running back (that wont happen)
offensive line (that should happen)

based upon that, it is my belief that if zorn gets his way, we will draft the best offensive lineman available at 13

[csquared]

I forgot to post this yesterday but........
Did anyone listen to the Jim Zorn show on 980? Czabe dug into him him real good. Zorn came off like a smart-ass.
Czabe asked how this offense can score more next year. Zorn replied "By crossing the goal line."

Czabe than asked about the defense saying" We see a number #4 ranking but what about the sacks and interceptions(he than stated what they were ranked in those categories)" So than Zorn got pissed saying something like " See you guys all just always want to talk about the negative. I know its your jobs but lets talk some positives. I don't want to hear about rankings." But than Zorn conveniently broke out the "ole #4 card " about his defense saying something like" Well our defense was #4! This was with out all the sacks and interceptions."

So at first he doesn't want to hear about rankings, but then he decides to use them not 15 seconds later.

Can we just cut ties now and blow this thing up?

[dogfight6]

Trade 13 and stone hands to the lions for their first overall give the pick to AKH and watch the Skins land an off. and def. tackle plus a LB. If Vinny uses it it's a db-wr.

[NamVet4]

If Ceratto is still here at draft time, I expect the pick to be wasted! We will endure countless inane threads posturing the use of the pick and then accept the abject reality of a wasted opportunity. We will ramble through more threads about potential FA pickups and watch the money grubbing owner huff and puff abut how he loves this team...We will all scream and moan in agony as we gird our loins for another roller coaster season.
The best answer = No Vinny at draft time!

[OoLak]

I forgot to post this yesterday but........
Did anyone listen to the Jim Zorn show on 980? Czabe dug into him him real good. Zorn came off like a smart-a$$.

I really didn't like his attitude in this interview. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt of a long disappointing season but he just didn't sound like a head coach of an NFL team. I would like to see him back but he has to let go of this I am smarter than you smug thing he has going. I also didn't think Czabe did a good job of following up with Zorn though. There are enough times where he could have asked more about what Zorn was talking about rather than 'seeming' like he was chasing an agenda. That might have led to the shutdown on Zorn's part.

[Epochalypse]

no question, he and campbell will BOTH be playing for their contracts next year.

there are only 2 positions where you can usually count on a player starting from year 1.

running back (that wont happen)
offensive line (that should happen)

based upon that, it is my belief that if zorn gets his way, we will draft the best offensive lineman available at 13

You left out kicker and punter...

[Battle Cat]

d-oh

my bad !! so sorry about that...
Not to worry Smith will be gone in the top 3 picks anyway. We can forget about him.

[skinsfan36]

no question, he and campbell will BOTH be playing for their contracts next year.

there are only 2 positions where you can usually count on a player starting from year 1.

running back (that wont happen)
offensive line (that should happen)

based upon that, it is my belief that if zorn gets his way, we will draft the best offensive lineman available at 13

dont count out a linebacker at 13 to replace mw

[greatest2]

there are 4 solid oline picks worthy of the 13 spot. and at least 2 will be gone in the first 5 picks, 1 of them should go first overall (but won't, the lions will take bradford or stafford).


i actually think all 4 solid prospects and immediate impact Olineman will be gone. the good news, if we can find a trade partner there are 5-6 olineman i would like in the second and a few i think could start right away.

depending on how the board falls, i would expect us to stay or trade down. i have no doubt we take a olineman with our first pick. portis called out the line, zorn did it every game, the stats are there with sacks, the fans have be calling for it forever. i don't think they take a dlineman because they will say "well, they ranked 4th without one, we can survive another year or so."



no fear my friends i have a good feeling about this 1st pick, whether we take a olineman at 13 or trade down and take a olineman, it will be a olineman.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

My only hope for the draft is that Vinny gets locked in his car or lost inside his closet on the morning of the draft.

Other than that I really could not care less.

[shally]

My only hope for the draft is that Vinny gets locked in his car or lost inside his closet on the morning of the draft.

Other than that I really could not care less.

or eats some bad oysters the night before

[SpicyMcHaggis]

or eats some bad oysters the night before

Yeah, that could work as well...

[bigcmr]

Not haveing a 2nd round pick this year hurts us.

[OoLak]

there are 4 solid oline picks worthy of the 13 spot. and at least 2 will be gone in the first 5 picks, 1 of them should go first overall (but won't, the lions will take bradford or stafford).


i actually think all 4 solid prospects and immediate impact Olineman will be gone. the good news, if we can find a trade partner there are 5-6 olineman i would like in the second and a few i think could start right away.

depending on how the board falls, i would expect us to stay or trade down. i have no doubt we take a olineman with our first pick. portis called out the line, zorn did it every game, the stats are there with sacks, the fans have be calling for it forever. i don't think they take a dlineman because they will say "well, they ranked 4th without one, we can survive another year or so."



no fear my friends i have a good feeling about this 1st pick, whether we take a olineman at 13 or trade down and take a olineman, it will be a olineman.

I agree for the most part. If they didn't get an o-lineman wouldn't mind them taking
1) Maualuga - Just watching the B-more game showed me how much we lack a game changer on D. Maualuga is a heat seaking missile who just seems to get to the ball. Most mocks have him gone by pick 11 though...
2) Curry/Laurinatis or Best Available DT - It seemed like as the games wore on we failed to stop the run.
3) Another safety - This seems to be the only position the redskins draft well. When all else fails go for what you know and trade (just kidding a lil bit)

[Farmer Ted]

Not haveing a 2nd round pick this year hurts us.

Don't feel bad. We had three last year, and they didn't help a bit. We won't miss not having a second round bust this year.

[WRSK1NS]

Don't feel bad. We had three last year, and they didn't help a bit. We won't miss not having a second round bust this year.

A very excellent point quoted for emphasis!!

[greatest2]

Don't feel bad. We had three last year, and they didn't help a bit. We won't miss not having a second round bust this year.

A very excellent point quoted for emphasis!!

1 year does not make a career.


im not saying they are going to be hall of famers, but lets not put them out to graze just yet.

[silverspring]

1 year does not make a career.


im not saying they are going to be hall of famers, but lets not put them out to graze just yet.


Agreed. Judging a draft in it's first year is absurd. Especially when guys like thomas were known to be project players with great potential.
WRs are hard to draft so i am glad we got a couple, if one works out then we are happy. And it isn't like WR wasn't a need.

[fpickering]

I know a lot can change but here is how I would prioritize the first pick if the draft were tomorrow:

1. take one of the 4 highest rated OT. If all drafted then,

2. trade down and get extra pick, take Mack or Robinson. If no trade opportunity exists then,

3. take a DE/DT; Orakpo or Raji. If both are off the board then,

4. take Mack or Robinson early.

[Farmer Ted]

Agreed. Judging a draft in it's first year is absurd. Especially when guys like thomas were known to be project players with great potential.

Well, I do agree with you (I was just being sarcastic). On the other hand, you can usually tell when a Redskins' draft pick sucks right off the bat.

[firehawk157]

Although I enjoy the fervor, let's wait until the combine before we state who will or won't be where. Remember how far Alan Branch fell in 07?

[smoak]

Don't feel bad. We had three last year, and they didn't help a bit. We won't miss not having a second round bust this year.

My theory that I have thrown out the past few years is that there are two types of "busts" coming out of the top 3-4 rounds:

- The first is a player who is unable to adjust to the next level usually due more to a mental limitation (see R. Leaf, F. Mitchell, L. Phillips, etc.) or significant injury.

- The second, and much more prevalent (IMO) is a player who the unreached & misused by the coaching staff.

Does anyone here not agree that two of our three second round picks (ignore Kelly b/c he was hurt) would have experienced better production with better coaching and scheme?? It isn't something I can prove one way or the other, but I personally believe the coaching staff FAILED to develop these guys. Put Thomas or Davis in Philly, Indy or just about anywhere with a competent offensive coaching staff and the produce. Are they Pro Bowlers? No, of course not, but plenty of rookie WRs help provide a spark in their rookie seasons so I am comfortable calling all three BUSTS. Can they come back? I hope so, but I have little faith that this scheme will be successfull.

[smoak]

Not haveing a 2nd round pick this year hurts us.

Yeah... Thesame way drugs hurt Michael Irvin :rolleyes:. Every time you think, "ok we're passed all that", we fall back into our old ways.

[AliBabba]

Don't feel bad. We had three last year, and they didn't help a bit. We won't miss not having a second round bust this year.
lmao that's good stuff.

[JsMaViSd]

what about Miller, the DL from Texas? kid dominated the USC line and was named Defensive player of the game and is a senior.

[warpaint]

1 year does not make a career.


im not saying they are going to be hall of famers, but lets not put them out to graze just yet.

its true with what you are saying,but last time i looked at least last 25 years redskins have not drafted a wide receiver to make the pro bowl while playing for us, mccardel (sp) did but was playing for another team. best i can remember we were saying (one year doesnt make a career) with desmond howard,and michael westbrook and the second round pick from fla., so bad cant even remember his name.

[warpaint]

My theory that I have thrown out the past few years is that there are two types of "busts" coming out of the top 3-4 rounds:

- The first is a player who is unable to adjust to the next level usually due more to a mental limitation (see R. Leaf, F. Mitchell, L. Phillips, etc.) or significant injury.

- The second, and much more prevalent (IMO) is a player who the unreached & misused by the coaching staff.

Does anyone here not agree that two of our three second round picks (ignore Kelly b/c he was hurt) would have experienced better production with better coaching and scheme?? It isn't something I can prove one way or the other, but I personally believe the coaching staff FAILED to develop these guys. Put Thomas or Davis in Philly, Indy or just about anywhere with a competent offensive coaching staff and the produce. Are they Pro Bowlers? No, of course not, but plenty of rookie WRs help provide a spark in their rookie seasons so I am comfortable calling all three BUSTS. Can they come back? I hope so, but I have little faith that this scheme will be successfull.

didnt the redskins say the problem with the receivers were they werent prepared for training camp with not being in proper condition ,know maybe injuries may have had something to do with this, all things consider then how would a different scheme made a big difference?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

My theory that I have thrown out the past few years is that there are two types of "busts" coming out of the top 3-4 rounds:

- The first is a player who is unable to adjust to the next level usually due more to a mental limitation (see R. Leaf, F. Mitchell, L. Phillips, etc.) or significant injury.

- The second, and much more prevalent (IMO) is a player who the unreached & misused by the coaching staff.

Does anyone here not agree that two of our three second round picks (ignore Kelly b/c he was hurt) would have experienced better production with better coaching and scheme?? It isn't something I can prove one way or the other, but I personally believe the coaching staff FAILED to develop these guys. Put Thomas or Davis in Philly, Indy or just about anywhere with a competent offensive coaching staff and the produce. Are they Pro Bowlers? No, of course not, but plenty of rookie WRs help provide a spark in their rookie seasons so I am comfortable calling all three BUSTS. Can they come back? I hope so, but I have little faith that this scheme will be successfull.
This is true, and is a direct result of the fact that our franchise is run by incompetents.
The whole structure is messed up, and so for a player to really stand out and make a difference, he has to be exceptionally good (like for example Samuels, Sean Taylor, Portis).
We are basically just treading water, always somewhere between being a decent team who is able to sneak in to the playoffs and then makes no noise whasoever and being a very bad team who ends up with a top-10 pick.

In the grand scheme of things, it's not the single player or coach that makes a difference, it's the owner and the general manager.

[Farmer Ted]

and the second round pick from fla., so bad cant even remember his name.

I think it was Taylor Kelly, or maybe Malcolm Jacobs. Something like that.

[smoak]

didnt the redskins say the problem with the receivers were they werent prepared for training camp with not being in proper condition ,know maybe injuries may have had something to do with this, all things consider then how would a different scheme made a big difference?

Better coaching within the context of the scheme would IMO. I don't believe for a second that our rookies are the only ones who came into camp needing work...

[esmith1790]

Better coaching within the context of the scheme would IMO. I don't believe for a second that our rookies are the only ones who came into camp needing work...


were is the WR coach in all of this, he doesnt work with ZORN on telling him, hey, so and so has these routes down pat, lets get him in the game on these few snaps. Maybe that happens, being an outsider you dont hear anything about WR coach at all.

[greatest2]

its true with what you are saying,but last time i looked at least last 25 years redskins have not drafted a wide receiver to make the pro bowl while playing for us, mccardel (sp) did but was playing for another team. best i can remember we were saying (one year doesnt make a career) with desmond howard,and michael westbrook and the second round pick from fla., so bad cant even remember his name.

therefor never draft another WR again? come on. look i am not saying picking these guys was great, i didn't understand the davis pick with a couple olineman i liked still on the board, and i sure didn't understand the kelly pick, especially with bad knees.


im not saying the FO was right for picking these guys. but after 1 year, lets not say they are bust. if no improvement after 2 the talk can start, and after 3 he is a bust. but come on, you know rookie wr's take awhile, look at roddy white.

all im saying is lets not through these guys away just yet, they do have potential and lets see if they reach it.

[skinsfan36]

were is the WR coach in all of this, he doesnt work with ZORN on telling him, hey, so and so has these routes down pat, lets get him in the game on these few snaps. Maybe that happens, being an outsider you dont hear anything about WR coach at all.

imo stan hixon(wr coach) should be fired so i see what you mean

[shally]

imo stan hixon(wr coach) should be fired so i see what you mean

he surely didnt distinguish himself coaching those guys up this year..

[ClubSandwichGuy]

imo stan hixon(wr coach) should be fired so i see what you mean
Agreed. Moss had a great first few games, but other than that our wide receivers were awful.

[firehawk157]

Agreed. Moss had a great first few games, but other than that our wide receivers were awful.
And have been for a while now...

[SkinsfaninNJ]

And have been for a while now...

It was probably the weakest unit on offense in 2007 and again in 2008.

[colkurtz]

we take the best OL player available at 13. However, I have little or no faith that Vinny can make a good choice.

They are both just too interested in the flash and too willing to ignore the scouting department. The red flag of injuries was simply rejected by the snyderrato brain trust for one of our rookie pass catchers. He's probably never play a full season, nor come close to reaching potential.

Blind squirrel finding an acorn in a mind field.......

Without a solid GM, this team will not prosper.

[Swirvi]

Blind squirrel finding an acorn in a mind field........

That statement is just all kinds of messed up...lol

Though I would LOVE to see what a squirrel running through a MIND field looks like. I can't even imagine.

[shane88]

That statement is just all kinds of messed up...lol

Though I would LOVE to see what a squirrel running through a MIND field looks like. I can't even imagine.

Exactly, plus it doesn't describe Vinny at all, because that statement suggests that Vinny actually possesses a mind! :doh:

[JankySpanky26]

Our luck, we will draft another CB in the first; if we do, my head might explode!!!

I am glad to be a new member of this forum!!!

[shally]

Our luck, we will draft another CB in the first; if we do, my head might explode!!!

I am glad to be a new member of this forum!!!

welcome !!

nothing like starting out with a bang !!

another first round corner and a lot of us are going to have major headaches..:smash:

[flave1969]

As stated many times I am sure in this thread. Until we start addressing our lines we will not have any realistic hopes of making the playoffs. Every game I have watched these playoffs have been marked by decent play on the lines. I know the Titans lost but those lines played real well last night and the Titans should have at least taken 3 FG's away instead of fumbling away the ball.

You see the Titans play a similar D to us just rushing 4 players and rarely blitzing, difference is thier front 4 get pressure on a consistent basis.

We will never draft a lineman with that pick when we have so many holes and an idiot running things.

[shally]

As stated many times I am sure in this thread. Until we start addressing our lines we will not have any realistic hopes of making the playoffs. Every game I have watched these playoffs have been marked by decent play on the lines. I know the Titans lost but those lines played real well last night and the Titans should have at least taken 3 FG's away instead of fumbling away the ball.

You see the Titans play a similar D to us just rushing 4 players and rarely blitzing, difference is thier front 4 get pressure on a consistent basis.

We will never draft a lineman with that pick when we have so many holes and an idiot running things.

but that is a VERY good point.. the titans dont blitz (schartz) and the ravens do (ryan).. give me blitz pressure every time because few teams have a great 4 man def line, and when you get to the playffs, ALL the O lines are good

[NCskinsfanatic]

More from Zorn on the offseason, couple of nuggets regarding the OL, Zorns desire to have a pass rush and a real live kicking competition...say it aint so Zornster lol...
http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Zorn_Updates_Redskins__Roster_Meetings_31076.jsp

[ClubSandwichGuy]

More from Zorn on the offseason, couple of nuggets regarding the OL, Zorns desire to have a pass rush and a real live kicking competition...say it aint so Zornster lol...
http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Zorn_Updates_Redskins__Roster_Meetings_31076.jsp
I hope he really means that and isn't just telling us what we want to hear.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I hope he really means that and isn't just telling us what we want to hear.

Hell Im just glad he sees it...now lets see if he has the juice to get it done.

[bergiemoore]

Hell Im just glad he sees it...now lets see if he has the juice to get it done.

It's one thing for fans and media schlubs to convince Snderrato that the lines need serious help. It's something much more weighty when their own head coach say so.