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akhhorus
01-15-2009, 10:42 PM
This is very interesting, and it sounds like convicting Bonds will be extremely tough:

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=As8UbZE8XLaS7L4dQnQHI9c5nYcB?slug=li-clear011409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

t could explain why Barry Bonds’ attorneys believe the grand jury questions to him were impossibly vague and why the focus of the BALCO case veered from prosecuting distributors of illegal anabolic steroids and money launderers to catching world-class athletes lying about drug use.

Taking the Clear – the star drug of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative – was not a crime, according to expert testimony included in grand jury documents.

Not only was the performance-enhancing drug tetrahydrogestrinone (THG) not specifically banned when athletes squirted “The Clear” under their tongues to gain an edge, the testimony also indicates that the drug wasn’t categorized by the Justice Department as a steroid until January 2005, long after the drug laboratory had been shuttered.

Yahoo! Sports has examined sealed grand jury testimony given by drug-testing expert Dr. Donald Catlin in 2003 and BALCO lead investigator Jeff Novitzky in 2004. Both men testified that THG was not a steroid according to the federal criminal code. Furthermore, Novitzky testified that “there’s never been any studies to show whether or not THG does, in fact, enhance muscle growth.”


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Evidence that the Clear was legal and technically not a steroid until the Anabolic Steroids Act of 2004 took effect in January 2005 could emerge as central to Bonds’ defense, experts say. Perjury questions must be unambiguous to win a conviction, and the testimony of Catlin and Novitzky could establish that the government knew about ambiguity concerning the Clear before Bonds took the stand.

Experts say prosecutors might have intentionally asked Bonds what they knew to be ambiguous questions – never defining steroids or making a distinction between drugs that were illegal or merely banned by many major sports.

“This case has been presented as Barry Bonds lying about steroids,” said Christopher Cannon, a San Francisco defense attorney with extensive experience in federal perjury cases. “The government’s theory is that he was taking the Clear. If the government knows the Clear wasn’t a steroid – then when Barry said he wasn’t taking a steroid, he was telling the truth.”

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Prosecutor: “Let me be real clear about this. Did he [Anderson] ever give you anything that you knew to be a steroid? Did he ever give you a steroid?”

Bonds: “I don’t think Greg would do anything like that to me and jeopardize our friendship. I just don’t think he would do that.”

Prosecutor: “Well, when you say you don’t think he would do that, to your knowledge, I mean, did you ever take any steroids that he gave you?”

Bonds: “Not that I know of.”

Bonds’ attorneys could argue that even if he took the Clear, he wasn’t lying when he responded by saying “Not that I know of.”

“It’s reasonable to think that the person answering a question about steroids would think they were asking about an illegal steroid,” said Charles La Bella, a former U. S. attorney and chief of the criminal division for the Southern District of California who now practices criminal defense in San Diego.

“[A jury] wants unambiguous terms.”

smoak
01-16-2009, 05:57 AM
meh. I hope he enjoys old age with that giant cranium knowing the fact that nobody like him b/c of the way he treated people and walked through like like he was the center of the universe.

he'll find that he can't escape his best punichment... being irrelevant. irrelevant to baseball, fans, the whole nine. hopefully someone grows a set and keeps that giant head out of the HOF.

Keino
01-16-2009, 07:21 AM
meh. I hope he enjoys old age with that giant cranium knowing the fact that nobody like him b/c of the way he treated people and walked through like like he was the center of the universe.

he'll find that he can't escape his best punichment... being irrelevant. irrelevant to baseball, fans, the whole nine. hopefully someone grows a set and keeps that giant head out of the HOF.

There is literally no reason whatsoever to keep him out of the HOF. He may have been a jerk, but the guy was an HOF performer, period. Unless you plan on keeping everyone who played in the 90s out of Cooperstown....

CarMike
01-16-2009, 10:44 AM
What a load of BS. $$$ can buy your freedom and it allows you to lie and get away with it.

csquared
01-16-2009, 06:54 PM
What a load of BS. $$$ can buy your freedom and it allows you to lie and get away with it.

How exactly is money buying him freedom?

WarEagle
01-16-2009, 07:11 PM
There is literally no reason whatsoever to keep him out of the HOF. He may have been a jerk, but the guy was an HOF performer, period. Unless you plan on keeping everyone who played in the 90s out of Cooperstown....

Many of the star players from the 90s are going to have a tough time getting in. McGwire has been on the ballot for 3 yrs and hasn't come close. One of the factors considered by the baseball writers on Jim Rice was that he played in the pre-steroids era, so his numbers were pure. The baseball writers are going to be murder on any player remotely connected to 'roids.

CarMike
01-16-2009, 10:50 PM
How exactly is money buying him freedom?

If I lied to the feds I can guarentee you i'd be getting fried.

akhhorus
01-16-2009, 11:06 PM
If I lied to the feds I can guarentee you i'd be getting fried.

The Feds don't lose cases usually. Their conviction rate is 90%. The problem is that they charged him with lying about knowingly using illegal steroids, and the Feds didn't classify what he purportedly used as illegal or a steroid until years after he testified. If you or I were in the same situation, the Feds would have the same problems with their case.

smoak
01-16-2009, 11:33 PM
There is literally no reason whatsoever to keep him out of the HOF. He may have been a jerk, but the guy was an HOF performer, period. Unless you plan on keeping everyone who played in the 90s out of Cooperstown....

NOW we're talkin'!!!

Bonds was a HOF-er without drugs.... I just hate him (in the sports sense of the term "hate") for cheating a disrespectign the game. IHe deserves to be in based on ability. But can't I just take a moment to stab my Bonds voodoo doll?

Keino
01-18-2009, 11:55 AM
NOW we're talkin'!!!

Bonds was a HOF-er without drugs.... I just hate him (in the sports sense of the term "hate") for cheating a disrespectign the game. IHe deserves to be in based on ability. But can't I just take a moment to stab my Bonds voodoo doll?

I'd like baseball to release the findings of the "secret" drug testing they did year ago before I am willing to throw-out an entire era. And it's not cheating if it doesn't violate any rules....that goes for Bonds, Clemons, McGuire, Sosa, Caminitti etc etc etc...