Just a reminder: HoF voting today!

[FanFromArizona]

I figured I would throw this up because I didn't see it anywhere else:

Voting for the Pro Football Hall of Fame will be today, and one of very own is under consideration: Russ Grimm.

Here was a quote I found in today's Arizona Republic about it:


"Some day it will happen," Grimm said. "There are no real stats for offensive linemen and there are more offensive linemen than anyone else. We were lucky enough that we won three Super Bowls with different quarterbacks, with three different running backs, with three different sets of wide receivers and pretty much the same guys up front."

Grimm awaits Hall of Fame fate (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/30/20090130spt-sbhall.html)

What an interesting perspective! (pretty much the same guys up front), unfortunately, I see the others up for election(Woodson, Bruce Smith, Cris Carter) shining before our man Grimm.

I certainly hopes he makes it in today, I remember the days of glory....too bad we don't have it anymore :cry:

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

he deserves it,but as long as peter king has a vote,it will be hard for any redskin to get in.

[akhhorus]

he deserves it,but as long as peter king has a vote,it will be hard for any redskin to get in.

Thats absurd. He voted against Monk for years because he believed that Clark was the better WR during the glory years. He was the giants beat writer and the giants coaches always told him that they weren't scared of Monk, but were of Clark.


Anyhoo, Bob Hayes, Randall McDaniel, Bruce Smith, Derrick Thomas, Ralph Wilson, and Rod Woodson all elected.

[JasonCampbell]

Thats absurd. He voted against Monk for years because he believed that Clark was the better WR during the glory years. He was the giants beat writers and the giants coaches always told him that they weren't scared of Monk, but were of Clark.


Anyhoo, Bob Hayes, Randall McDaniel, Bruce Smith, Derrick Thomas, Ralph Wilson, and Rod Woodson all elected.

Smith and Woodson absolutely would go into my HOF. Thomas would have been in 100% if he didn't die, so I'd elect him too. The others...meh. I guess 4 straight SB losses isn't anything to sneeze over :)

[akhhorus]

Smith and Woodson absolutely would go into my HOF. Thomas would have been in 100% if he didn't die, so I'd elect him too. The others...meh. I guess 4 straight SB losses isn't anything to sneeze over :)

McDaniel did make 12 straight pro bowls(and 9 AP All pro teams) in a generation of great OGs in the NFC. He was truly a great player. Hayes was very good, but didn't make it in probably because of his drug problems(he was a senior committee selection).

[shally]

McDaniel did make 12 straight pro bowls(and 9 AP All pro teams) in a generation of great OGs in the NFC. He was truly a great player. Hayes was very good, but didn't make it in probably because of his drug problems(he was a senior committee selection).

hayes singlehandedly changed the passing game from a defenders point of view..

first, he proved that a "track man" could play football well. secondly, he caused DC's to start using zones to contain him... he has infinitely more right to be in the HOF than joe namath

he might not have huge stats, but he was easily the most feared receiver of his time...

[Gravy]

I have 8 Woodson Rookie cards as well as 3 Smith Rookies. No Grimm, bummer. I like this class, but how does an idiot like Peter King get to vote...what did he do in the NFL?

[shally]

McDaniel did make 12 straight pro bowls(and 9 AP All pro teams) in a generation of great OGs in the NFC. He was truly a great player. Hayes was very good, but didn't make it in probably because of his drug problems(he was a senior committee selection).

what hampers grimm is that the first 4 or 5 years of his career were beyond dominating.. after that, injuries really caught up with him and he wasnt the same player. mcdaniels was solid his entire career.

2 other veteran players who clearly belong in IMHO are chuck howley and chris hanburger.. both among the toughest, most effective linebackers to play the game. consistently excellent, year after year...

[akhhorus]

I have 8 Woodson Rookie cards as well as 3 Smith Rookies. No Grimm, bummer. I like this class, but how does an idiot like Peter King get to vote...what did he do in the NFL?

Every team has a voter picked from their local media(the voter who represents the skins is David Elfin)+11 at large voters. I don't think any of the voters were in the NFL.

what hampers grimm is that the first 4 or 5 years of his career were beyond dominating.. after that, injuries really caught up with him and he wasnt the same player. mcdaniels was solid his entire career.


Yeah, thats why Boselli struggles to get anywhere in the HOF voting, despite being one of the greatest LTs of that last 20 years.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

Thats absurd. He voted against Monk for years because he believed that Clark was the better WR during the glory years. He was the giants beat writer and the giants coaches always told him that they weren't scared of Monk, but were of Clark.


Anyhoo, Bob Hayes, Randall McDaniel, Bruce Smith, Derrick Thomas, Ralph Wilson, and Rod Woodson all elected.


he hates redskins players,even redskins players have stated that publicy.
i would be shocked if he ever even voted for any redskin to ever get into the hof.
i think ralph wilson got in for what all he has done and for how long he has been in the league more than anything.bob hayes should have been in years ago so he could have enjoyed it cause he deserved it the day he retired.

[esmith1790]

what hampers grimm is that the first 4 or 5 years of his career were beyond dominating.. after that, injuries really caught up with him and he wasnt the same player. mcdaniels was solid his entire career.

2 other veteran players who clearly belong in IMHO are chuck howley and chris hanburger.. both among the toughest, most effective linebackers to play the game. consistently excellent, year after year...


I think that if u are good enough to be an all-decade player that should have some merrit over other players. Even though they are cowboys, but Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris should be in.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

Cliff Harris

i'd vote for pat fisher and john lynch before cliff harris.
drew pearson should be in there too,before 8ball irvin.

[akhhorus]

he hates redskins players,even redskins players have stated that publicy.

So, he "hates" redskins players, but thats coming from redskins players, and not from King himself? It would be good if you had that from King himself, otherwise it sounds like bitterness for no reason.

i would be shocked if he ever even voted for any redskin to ever get into the hof.

Thats absurd. He wouldn't vote against Darrell Green or Joe Gibbs for certain. Art Monk was the only redskin we know of that he opposed according to his fellow voters and himself.

Link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/11/26/hof.receivers/1.html)


In some ways I've been part of the problem. Even though Monk retired with the all-time receptions record, I've historically been anti-Monk for several reasons. He played 16 seasons and led his own team in receiving six times; only once was he voted first-team All-Pro. I questioned his impact on a team where the running game and Gary Clark, for many years, were the prime targets to stop by opposing defensive coordinators. I know. I watched the Giants do it nine times over four years against Washington. But last year, after a man I'd advocated got in (Harry Carson), veteran NFL writer Len Shapiro from the Washington Post e-mailed me and reminded me that everything Carson meant to the Giants, Monk meant to Washington. The leadership, the selflessness, the durable productivity ... all the same. I decided I should re-think my position.

As I made my rounds of training camps this year, I asked veteran coaches about Monk and the one word that kept coming up was "unselfish.'' His downfield blocking prowess kept coming up. His long-term numbers were almost Yastrzemski-like (one or two great years, lots of productive ones, very reliable). But when I talked to Joe Gibbs on Friday, the one thing that stood out was the body of work we don't see -- the downfield blocking, the quiet leadership, and this: Unlike his louder receiving mates Clark and Ricky Sanders, Monk, according to Gibbs, never once said he wanted the ball more. "We used him almost as a tight end a lot,'' said Gibbs, "and not only did he do it willingly, he was a great blocker for us. If he'd been a squeaky wheel, who knows how many catches Art would have had. But he cared about one thing -- the team.''

So many of the things Carson did can't be quantified. Similarly with Monk. Not only did he lead the NFL in all-time receptions when he retired, but he blocked superbly and was the most important locker-room influence on a three-time Super Bowl champion. I'm voting for him.

Care to revise anything you've said?

[colkurtz]

If the Cardinals defy the conventional wisdom and win the SB, wouldn't thay help Grimm?

Can anyone refresh my memory on why he wasn't a higher contender last season for the Head Coach here?

[shally]

If the Cardinals defy the conventional wisdom and win the SB, wouldn't thay help Grimm?

Can anyone refresh my memory on why he wasn't a higher contender last season for the Head Coach here?

i suspect he doesnt interview well.. he all but had the pitts HC position locked up until tomlin wowed them in his interview..

someone is going to have to look past something and see another chuck noll-- hopefully not another forrest gregg

[shally]

If the Cardinals defy the conventional wisdom and win the SB, wouldn't thay help Grimm?

Can anyone refresh my memory on why he wasn't a higher contender last season for the Head Coach here?

if the cards win, it will be haley and whisenhunt who get the plaudits.. grimm will be a distant third, if at all

[Keino]

John Randle should have gotten in. He deserved 1st ballot consideration.....

[csquared]

John Randle should have gotten in. He deserved 1st ballot consideration.....

That dude was a straight up beast.

[akhhorus]

John Randle should have gotten in. He deserved 1st ballot consideration.....

Thats a real outrage. 137 sacks for a DT? 6th all time on the sack list(higher than Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas and Rickey Jackson)? How is he not in?

[Gravy]

Thats a real outrage. 137 sacks for a DT? 6th all time on the sack list(higher than Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas and Rickey Jackson)? How is he not in?

Yeah I truly don't get that! Randle should have been a 1st timer but I would assume because Thomas & Smith went in, that's what bumped him out.

[shally]

Yeah I truly don't get that! Randle should have been a 1st timer but I would assume because Thomas & Smith went in, that's what bumped him out.

i think randle will get in.. he had some personality issues towards the end of his career (he faked taking a whiz on the superdome carpet in the game against the saints) but overall, he was a great player

[IH Brave]

I think that it's about time "Bullet" Bob Hayes got elected. IMO he was the biggest snub of all time. It's a travesty that it took all these years to vote him in and he's no longer around to enjoy it.

[nicefellow31]

what hampers grimm is that the first 4 or 5 years of his career were beyond dominating.. after that, injuries really caught up with him and he wasnt the same player. mcdaniels was solid his entire career.

2 other veteran players who clearly belong in IMHO are chuck howley and chris hanburger.. both among the toughest, most effective linebackers to play the game. consistently excellent, year after year...

Good points on Grimm, Shally. As good as he was the injury bug put a damper on his career. Personally I would've voted for Jacoby in the HOF before Grimm but I'm probably in the minority.


As far as the oldtimers Howley and our very own Chris Hanburger would be worthy of the honor. I would include Jerry Kramer and Dave Robinson too.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I'm happy for Thomas. I was a big fan of his. I don't think King hates Redskins. Not sure how he feels about our owner though. ZImmerman has at least gone on record hating Snyder.

But King did say this week that he cannot believe not one single member of one of the greatest lines ever (the Hogs) is not in the HOF. When you read the excerpt, sounds like Grimm has King's vote.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/01/25/walkup/3.html


• 6:1 -- Russ Grimm, Randall McDaniel. Hard to believe there's no Washington Hog in the Hall from maybe the greatest offensive line in history, but I don't sense much traction for Grimm. I hope I'm wrong. I'm no fan of Pro Bowl berths, because they've become so diluted, but making 12 in a row, as McDaniel did, has to count for something.

[Fathead]

The HOF needs more offensive linemen.

[flave1969]

I am sad that Grimm remains outside the Hall, but I truly think he will get in soon. I have no problems with the lineman who have now gone in 3 years straight, Bruce Matthews, Gary Zimmerman now McDaniel.

Agree about Randle, even in his day he did not get the full recognition he should have, again he will get in. I personally have no problem with Bruce Smith getting in he was a fine player, a step below Reggie White but then who wasn't.

As far as I am concerned the best DB of his era(yes better than Deion and Darrell) got in today. He played Cornerback and Safety with equal skill, Rod Woodson was one player I always liked.

Finally so glad Bob Hayes made the Hall, don't care if he was a Cowboy or not. 371 catches with a 20ypc average is amazing and his TD to catch ratio must be one of the greatest ever.

[Keino]

Thats a real outrage. 137 sacks for a DT? 6th all time on the sack list(higher than Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas and Rickey Jackson)? How is he not in?

I don't think there is a DT within 30 sacks of him. I wanted to see Richard Dent inducted as well, but I can understand Bruce Smith bumping him out......

But yea, the Committee ended one travesty of justice (Bob Hayes) and then created one with Randle. I would have put him in before McDaniel, frankly.