Akh Blog: Pre-Free Agency Track

[akhhorus]

Link (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=648)

Guff on!

[Ibleedburgundy]

If they go with something along the lines of the realistically hopeful option, I'll be relatively happy.

[JasonCampbell]

Is Sakoda going to punt and kick in the NFL?

[NCskinsfanatic]

I sincerely hope we cut Springles. I'd rather watch Smoots cushion than Springles smilin' on the sideline while missing yet another game due to menstral cramps. Torn on Corny getting the axe unless we're gonna upgrade DT, just dont think Golston, Monty and Alexander are tough enough to cover Corny's loss. Doubt we see Moss traded or Heyer with our lack of depth. I'm beginning to think we'll be unable to re-sign Hall and we'll keep Los, Smoot and Springles. Might even try to keep JT since they cut the corpse of PD and Evans wants starter money...

yep looks like JT is staying and at 8 million a year to boot...http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/around_the_nfl/post/Taylor-to-return-to-Washington;_ylt=Ao.0K9lLr5aKxtQnCF7kz4Q5nYcB?urn=n fl,143118

[Gravy]

Kyle Orton????? Is that an upgrade?

[LASkin]

Link (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=648)

Guff on!

This is a really depressing progression across the three scenarios.

[PyroGenic]

You can't be serious about Orton lol

[akhhorus]

Is Sakoda going to punt and kick in the NFL?

Thats what I'm hearing.

Kyle Orton????? Is that an upgrade?

You can't be serious about Orton lol

Very serious. I don't believe for a second that Snyderatto is going to go into 2009 with Campbell on a walk year without any basic replacement in place. The skins could probably get orton after next year as a UFA, so I would bet that Vinny tries to deal for him.

This is a really depressing progression across the three scenarios.

The first scenario fixes the Oline problems and builds the defense around the instincts of Maualuga & Fletcher. I think both will help this team out immensely while not tying the skins down on any one scheme for the future.

The second scenario is more a triage: fixing the immediate problems, but leaving a core in place in case they want to gut the team.

The third scenario is more of the same.

[Skinsfan1906]

You can't be serious about trading Moss either. :)

[akhhorus]

You can't be serious about trading Moss either. :)

He's more a hindrance than a help now, and we can deal/cut him now for some decent cap savings.

[Skinsfan1906]

Honestly, I'm so pissed off at our front office, that it's not even funny. I hated the Jason Taylor deal when it went down. I hate that we have neglected the D-Line for nearly a decade. How Justin Tryon wasn't cut (moving Leigh Torrence instead) baffles me. Why we drafted damaged goods last year in Malcolm Kelly (and I'm a Big Sooner's fan).......still scratching my head at that one.

A lot of Skins fans are elated at the possiblilities of an NFL with no salary cap....but with our inept front office, will it even matter?

[Skinsfan1906]

hey AKH.....you know I agree with you 95% of the time,......but I have to disagree with Moss being a hinderance. He is the BEST WR we have, he commands double coverage (which should open up the field for ARE, Thomas, Cooley, etc)......oh, and by the way, he is the best Punt Returner we have also. I would like us to part ways with Springs, Jason Taylor, even Smoot (if we can get Hall resigned and Los a decent contract). Trading Moss AND another player for only a 2nd rounder (which we should have anyway, if we didn't get Taylor).....would be the Redskins bending over and getting reamed again......something that we have grown very comfortable in. Just my opinion.

[akhhorus]

hey AKH.....you know I agree with you 95% of the time,......but I have to disagree with Moss being a hinderance. He is the BEST WR we have, he commands double coverage (which should open up the field for ARE, Thomas, Cooley, etc)......oh, and by the way, he is the best Punt Returner we have also. I would like us to part ways with Springs, Jason Taylor, even Smoot (if we can get Hall resigned and Los a decent contract). Trading Moss AND another player for only a 2nd rounder (which we should have anyway, if we didn't get Taylor).....would be the Redskins bending over and getting reamed again......something that we have grown very comfortable in. Just my opinion.

Moss can be a great player, I don't disagree, but teams are clearly not afraid of him anymore. My biggest complain with him is how inconsistent he is. In the last 3 years, he has 195 catches for 2642 yards with 15 TDs in 44 games(which isn't that good, thats 4 catches per game for 60 ypg). In 10 of those games, he has 65 catches for 1120 yards and 10 TDs. That means he's shows up 3-4 games a year and doesn't contribute much the rest of the time.

[skinsfan36]

nice job akh realisticlaly i see us signing a dt like bernard and a lb in free agency. i forgot all about stinchcomb he would be a great pick up. im afraid we are going to overpay for hall and get totally strapped and not upgrade one of the need positions and go into the draft with many needs and 5 picks(late 7th comp).the 1st scenario was best where you were gm. but id be very happy with the 2nd scenario. kyle orton yuck. i do like bomar and think he will be another late rd gem not tom brady more like hasslebeck pre injury

[hail2skins]

I added a link to this thread at the bottom of the blog post.

[shally]

if the link about Taylor is true, then several things fall into place.....


1 we wont be drafting Orakpo, unless it is clear that he will play OLB for us

2. it makes the signing of Daniels/Evans a zero sum game. we dont need both because they have essentially the same function- run stopping DE who can move inside to play DT

3. they wont be trading moss because, in reality, despite the problems he causes, he is the one deep threat we actually have on the roster. ARE will never be. kelly and thomas might be-- but they arent.

4. we wont take maulauga because, despite the fact that he might be a better version of fletcher, it isnt a position of need right now. maybe in a year or 2, but this franchise has never thought long term

5. i already owe you about a half a case of blanton's from all my lost bets thus far, but you can have the rest of the case if we trade for orton.. never, ever gonna happen.. it wont because orton is still the "starter" in chicago.. he wont come somewhere he will be no better than a number 2 behind campbell. plus, it would sour things with campbell immediately the same way that taking campbell when we had ramsey as starter soured things. we clearly need a better number 2 than collins.. my vote would be for garcia, who would be ideal in so many ways (age, WCO familiarity, instant fit) that it boggles the mind if they dont go after him.. which means they probably wont, lol.. still orton is not gonna happen.. no way, no how

6.johnson is fat and non productive. pass

7. cole is not at all beloved in green bay. letting a 330 lb run stuffer walk says a lot about their opinion off him.. pass

8. i wonder if they think that taylor can actually play some SLB ? we know that carter couldnt, and they are similar players. my guess is that this is specifically directed at the pass rush woes, and i think that taylor is going to play as if his hair (if he has any, lol) is on fire.. that is a man with a ton of pride and i dont think he wants to be remembered for the last season he had.

9. i agree we might have to make peace with rogers. hall is going to walk.
i dont think that bodden would be that poor a consolation prize. onthe other hand, smoot at 4 mil for this year isnt worth it

10. when the dust settles, i think we end up with an offensive lineman on draft day as our first pick.. my hope is that it involves a trade down because there are going to be some sliders for sure, and we can go T or G

11. saturday makes a lot of sense.. but not with rabach. they are very similar players. only if they think that one of them is moving to guard would that work. in the end, i think they pass on Jeff

12. rocky bernard makes a lot of sense. same with haye. cody might be the best of all, but he has underproduced for his career thus far.. some site posted the possibility of darwin walker. old, but very familiar with the nfc east. not a bad fix for 1 year

13 with philly signing hanson, there is no doubt that sheppard will be dealt-- and for a second day pick at the highest.. i could live with him instead of hall.

14 with the price of CB's going up, springs will end up staying because he will transition to FS and give blache a lot of coverage options. i bet that blache feels that tryon is going to be useful this year. we wont be going after brown because like green, the other former bear safety, his days are clearly behind him.. i would rather take a shot at gibril wilson who was cut by the raiders yesterday, if we wanted a more experienced safety to replace reed doughty (who should be traded to GW for a #6 pick on draft day)

[akhhorus]

if the link about Taylor is true, then several things fall into place.....

1 we wont be drafting Orakpo, unless it is clear that he will play OLB for us


Agreed. Or unless we're switching to the 3-4, or having Orakpo replace Carter this year.

2. it makes the signing of Daniels/Evans a zero sum game. we dont need both because they have essentially the same function- run stopping DE who can move inside to play DT


Also agreed. I think they would rather go after a Jovan Haye type.

3. they wont be trading moss because, in reality, despite the problems he causes, he is the one deep threat we actually have on the roster. ARE will never be. kelly and thomas might be-- but they arent.


Yeah, but its like an abusive relationship: he's our only deep threat because we don't send anyone else out deep.

4. we wont take maulauga because, despite the fact that he might be a better version of fletcher, it isnt a position of need right now. maybe in a year or 2, but this franchise has never thought long term

If they intend to move him around(and Mau looks like the kind of intelligent player who could handle that easily), the pick makes sense. I think at the end of the day, they'll end up with one of the USC lbs.

5. i already owe you about a half a case of blanton's from all my lost bets thus far, but you can have the rest of the case if we trade for orton.. never, ever gonna happen.. it wont because orton is still the "starter" in chicago.. he wont come somewhere he will be no better than a number 2 behind campbell. plus, it would sour things with campbell immediately the same way that taking campbell when we had ramsey as starter soured things. we clearly need a better number 2 than collins.. my vote would be for garcia, who would be ideal in so many ways (age, WCO familiarity, instant fit) that it boggles the mind if they dont go after him.. which means they probably wont, lol.. still orton is not gonna happen.. no way, no how


Garcia's too logical for Vinny to do. I could easily see him talking himself into a deal for another starting level QB if they have zero intent to keep Campbell no matter what.

6.johnson is fat and non productive. pass


He can be lazy, but he's dropped 30 lbs I believe. I like him and the Oregon State guard(name escapes me).

7. cole is not at all beloved in green bay. letting a 330 lb run stuffer walk says a lot about their opinion off him.. pass


They might keep him to play NT, but they're overloaded at DT with Harrell, Pickett and Jolly.

8. i wonder if they think that taylor can actually play some SLB ? we know that carter couldnt, and they are similar players. my guess is that this is specifically directed at the pass rush woes, and i think that taylor is going to play as if his hair (if he has any, lol) is on fire.. that is a man with a ton of pride and i dont think he wants to be remembered for the last season he had.


I think you'll see more of a 3-1-3-4 on nickels with Taylor roaming around.

9. i agree we might have to make peace with rogers. hall is going to walk.
i dont think that bodden would be that poor a consolation prize. onthe other hand, smoot at 4 mil for this year isnt worth it


They should dump Smoot and Springs to pay Hall and give Rogers a modest extension.

10. when the dust settles, i think we end up with an offensive lineman on draft day as our first pick.. my hope is that it involves a trade down because there are going to be some sliders for sure, and we can go T or G


Depends on what we do in FA. If we go after some OLmen, but fail to get anyone of a starting caliber, I agree that they'll draft someone high.

11. saturday makes a lot of sense.. but not with rabach. they are very similar players. only if they think that one of them is moving to guard would that work. in the end, i think they pass on Jeff


Rabach's deal can be voided this year if the skins want to(or if Rabach wants to also). If they could get saturday(or Birk), they'll just void him.

12. rocky bernard makes a lot of sense. same with haye. cody might be the best of all, but he has underproduced for his career thus far.. some site posted the possibility of darwin walker. old, but very familiar with the nfc east. not a bad fix for 1 year


Walker looks done(cough cough hgh cough cough). I'd like Haye as a 3rd down guy and Cody for 1/2

13 with philly signing hanson, there is no doubt that sheppard will be dealt-- and for a second day pick at the highest.. i could live with him instead of hall.

They wouldn't deal him to us, but I would in a second if they would listen.

14 with the price of CB's going up, springs will end up staying because he will transition to FS and give blache a lot of coverage options. i bet that blache feels that tryon is going to be useful this year. we wont be going after brown because like green, the other former bear safety, his days are clearly behind him.. i would rather take a shot at gibril wilson who was cut by the raiders yesterday, if we wanted a more experienced safety to replace reed doughty (who should be traded to GW for a #6 pick on draft day)

Springs will stay as long they don't get Hall and don't get any young replacement for Hall. As soon as Hall signs a deal with us, or we sign Bodden, Springs is gone.

[PyroGenic]

Very serious. I don't believe for a second that Snyderatto is going to go into 2009 with Campbell on a walk year without any basic replacement in place. The skins could probably get orton after next year as a UFA, so I would bet that Vinny tries to deal for him.

Well then, that's just depressing.

[jaylen]

The Vinny scenario is dreadful Orton sucks.

I can live with signing Barnes and Boley I think Boley is a very good football player.

Duke Robinson is terrible in space he reminds me of Dockery but maybe way more of a project.

McAllister looks done to me plus he's a questionmark off the field for me.

I could stomach Mcfadden.

[shally]

max unger ?

the guy can play all 5 O line positions.. end of first, early second pick i think..

and i would be delighted with any of the 3 SoCal lb's... all 3 are going to be impact pros, barring injury

[akhhorus]

max unger ?

the guy can play all 5 O line positions.. end of first, early second pick i think..

Yeah, he had a great combine and is shooting up the boards. I think he has a chance to go before Alex Mack now.

[shally]

Yeah, he had a great combine and is shooting up the boards. I think he has a chance to go before Alex Mack now.

mack is a 1 position player (although a great one.. he will be the best center in his first year since Bentley)

unger is smart and tough and will be a guy like raleigh mckenzie who can easily play all 3 inside positions.. maybe even a little tackle in a pinch.. very versatile..

[akhhorus]

mack is a 1 position player (although a great one.. he will be the best center in his first year since Bentley)

unger is smart and tough and will be a guy like raleigh mckenzie who can easily play all 3 inside positions.. maybe even a little tackle in a pinch.. very versatile..

Yeah, but he's a zone blocking guy, thats his limitation.

and i would be delighted with any of the 3 SoCal lb's... all 3 are going to be impact pros, barring injury

Maualuga will be a stud, Cushing will be good in the right system. Matthews will be boom(Lamar Woodley)/bust(Dallas Sartz).

[shally]

Yeah, but he's a zone blocking guy, thats his limitation.



Maualuga will be a stud, Cushing will be good in the right system. Matthews will be boom(Lamar Woodley)/bust(Dallas Sartz).

agree. with matthews, if he can drop and play coverage, he will be solid in any 4/3 scheme.. if all he can do is go forward, he is going to need a 3/4 defense to have any impact as a pro..

[akhhorus]

agree. with matthews, if he can drop and play coverage, he will be solid in any 4/3 scheme.. if all he can do is go forward, he is going to need a 3/4 defense to have any impact as a pro..

If he can cover, a smart team will draft him for a cover-2 version and use him like the Bears use Briggs: attacking the ball.

[hail2skins]

Orton, no way. Haven't we seen enough of him in Chicago. He can't keep his job there. Plus, Lovie has already crowned him their starter although others there feel they need to upgrade. If they feel they need to upgrade from him, why should we try. He doesn't fit the WCO at all.

[akhhorus]

Orton, no way. Haven't we seen enough of him in Chicago. He can't keep his job there. Plus, Lovie has already crowned him their starter although others there feel they need to upgrade. If they feel they need to upgrade from him, why should we try. He doesn't fit the WCO at all.

I agree it wouldn't be a good move, like I said: I don't believe that they would go into next season with the intent not to resign Campbell(which they clearly do) without his replacement already on the roster. Even if Vinny/Zorn have been put on notice that they're jobs are on the line in 2009, they aren't going to set the table for Cowher/Shanny/whomever. They'll operate like they're going to be in place in 2010. Out of all the potential Veteran QBs who could be dealt(and I don't believe Lovie Smith at all, he's routinely said X will be our starter, only to go with his backup), Orton makes the most sense for a deal.

[shally]

If he can cover, a smart team will draft him for a cover-2 version and use him like the Bears use Briggs: attacking the ball.

well, we wanted briggs.. here is a chance to draft a younger version of him...

[shally]

I agree it wouldn't be a good move, like I said: I don't believe that they would go into next season with the intent not to resign Campbell(which they clearly do) without his replacement already on the roster. Even if Vinny/Zorn have been put on notice that they're jobs are on the line in 2009, they aren't going to set the table for Cowher/Shanny/whomever. They'll operate like they're going to be in place in 2010. Out of all the potential Veteran QBs who could be dealt(and I don't believe Lovie Smith at all, he's routinely said X will be our starter, only to go with his backup), Orton makes the most sense for a deal.

besides, what does that leave chicago with ? lovie is on the hot seat enough as it is without trading their putative starter.. does it mean they draft a qb in the first or second round and start him immediately ? does it mean they go with sexy-rexy again ? does it mean they trade for chris simms, or sign someone like garcia as a stop gap until their draftee develops ?

i can tell you this much. if lovie goes with grossman and the season goes south, he wont be around to see the development of whomever they draft..
right now, orton is the only one standing between lovie and a return engagement as a DC

[akhhorus]

well, we wanted briggs.. here is a chance to draft a younger version of him...

I'd rather we have traded Rocky for Briggs lol

besides, what does that leave chicago with ? lovie is on the hot seat enough as it is without trading their putative starter.. does it mean they draft a qb in the first or second round and start him immediately ? does it mean they go with sexy-rexy again ? does it mean they trade for chris simms, or sign someone like garcia as a stop gap until their draftee develops ?

i can tell you this much. if lovie goes with grossman and the season goes south, he wont be around to see the development of whomever they draft..
right now, orton is the only one standing between lovie and a return engagement as a DC

I think they're going to try and sign Chris Simms and go with him. Simms basically was saying how he always liked Chicago last week, and he's stuck in line in Tennessee. Rexy is a UFA, I'd be shocked if they kept him.

[shally]

I'd rather we have traded Rocky for Briggs lol



I think they're going to try and sign Chris Simms and go with him. Simms basically was saying how he always liked Chicago last week, and he's stuck in line in Tennessee. Rexy is a UFA, I'd be shocked if they kept him.

they have only one other, no name qb on the roster.. they really need to invest in a qb in this draft, even if they go with simms

orton looked lost most of his career, but began to look a little better last year.. he still looks like a career backup to me.. but then, so does simms

and, yes, so sorry we didnt trade rocky for briggs... hindsight...

[akhhorus]

and, yes, so sorry we didnt trade rocky for briggs... hindsight...

We wouldn't have Landry, but we have had a great WLB along with one of these players(the next 20 picks after the Bears' 1st in 2007):
32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State Indianapolis Colts
33 Alan Branch DT Michigan Arizona Cardinals
34 Paul Posluszny MLB Penn State Buffalo Bills
35 Arron Sears G Tennessee Tampa Bay Buccaneers
36 Kevin Kolb QB Houston Philadelphia Eagles
37 Eric Weddle SAF Utah San Diego Chargers
38 Zach Miller TE Arizona State Oakland Raiders
39 Justin Blalock G Texas Atlanta Falcons
40 John Beck QB Brigham Young Miami Dolphins
41 Chris Houston CB Arkansas Atlanta Falcons
42 Tony Ugoh T Arkansas Indianapolis Colts
43 Drew Stanton QB Michigan State Detroit Lions
44 Sidney Rice WR South Carolina Minnesota Vikings
45 Dwayne Jarrett WR USC Carolina Panthers
46 LaMarr Woodley LB Michigan Pittsburgh Steelers
47 David Harris ILB Michigan New York Jets
48 Justin Durant OLB Hampton Jacksonville Jaguars
49 Kenny Irons RB Auburn Cincinnati Bengals
50 Chris Henry RB Arizona Tennessee Titans
51 Steve Smith WR USC New York Giants

[shally]

We wouldn't have Landry, but we have had a great WLB along with one of these players(the next 20 picks after the Bears' 1st in 2007):
32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State Indianapolis Colts
33 Alan Branch DT Michigan Arizona Cardinals
34 Paul Posluszny MLB Penn State Buffalo Bills
35 Arron Sears G Tennessee Tampa Bay Buccaneers
36 Kevin Kolb QB Houston Philadelphia Eagles
37 Eric Weddle SAF Utah San Diego Chargers
38 Zach Miller TE Arizona State Oakland Raiders
39 Justin Blalock G Texas Atlanta Falcons
40 John Beck QB Brigham Young Miami Dolphins
41 Chris Houston CB Arkansas Atlanta Falcons
42 Tony Ugoh T Arkansas Indianapolis Colts
43 Drew Stanton QB Michigan State Detroit Lions
44 Sidney Rice WR South Carolina Minnesota Vikings
45 Dwayne Jarrett WR USC Carolina Panthers
46 LaMarr Woodley LB Michigan Pittsburgh Steelers
47 David Harris ILB Michigan New York Jets
48 Justin Durant OLB Hampton Jacksonville Jaguars
49 Kenny Irons RB Auburn Cincinnati Bengals
50 Chris Henry RB Arizona Tennessee Titans
51 Steve Smith WR USC New York Giants



we only would have wasted the pick we got from the bears...

[hogs86]

This comes from the WP. I hope it works out. IMO i think the injuries really did hurt him last season.

Taylor Plans to Return

Jason Reid reports:

Hobbled by injuries during his first season with the Redskins, defensive end Jason Taylor plans to return to the team and is "ready to roll," his agent said tonight.

"It's tough to play when you're injured, when you can't do the things you always have, and Jason was just dealing with a lot last year," said Taylor's agent, Gary Wichard. "But it is what it is. That's just part of this game, and Jason never made excuses. He's working to be the same Pro Bowler he always was, and he's ready to go."

Last season, Taylor, 34, rarely resembled the all-pro performer and former NFL defensive player of the year for whom the Redskins dealt a second-round pick in April's draft and a sixth-round pick in 2010. Taylor sprained his right knee in a preseason game and twice underwent surgery on his left calf to relieve acute compartment syndrome, a buildup of pressure on muscle groups.

Predominantly playing left end for the first time in his career, Taylor had only 3 ½ sacks -- his lowest total since 1999. The 12-year veteran's lack of production prompted speculation that the Redskins would ask Taylor to take a pay cut from his $8.5 million salary in 2009, and release him if he declined. But Taylor's salary for next season has never been an issue, Wichard said.






Link http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/taylor_plans_to_return.html

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

This comes from the WP. I hope it works out. IMO i think the injuries really did hurt him last season.

Taylor Plans to Return

Jason Reid reports:

Hobbled by injuries during his first season with the Redskins, defensive end Jason Taylor plans to return to the team and is "ready to roll," his agent said tonight.

"It's tough to play when you're injured, when you can't do the things you always have, and Jason was just dealing with a lot last year," said Taylor's agent, Gary Wichard. "But it is what it is. That's just part of this game, and Jason never made excuses. He's working to be the same Pro Bowler he always was, and he's ready to go."

Last season, Taylor, 34, rarely resembled the all-pro performer and former NFL defensive player of the year for whom the Redskins dealt a second-round pick in April's draft and a sixth-round pick in 2010. Taylor sprained his right knee in a preseason game and twice underwent surgery on his left calf to relieve acute compartment syndrome, a buildup of pressure on muscle groups.

Predominantly playing left end for the first time in his career, Taylor had only 3 ½ sacks -- his lowest total since 1999. The 12-year veteran's lack of production prompted speculation that the Redskins would ask Taylor to take a pay cut from his $8.5 million salary in 2009, and release him if he declined. But Taylor's salary for next season has never been an issue, Wichard said.

The Post went in to some more detail for tomorrow's edition and indicated that Taylor would have more freedom next season. He better. I wouldn't support his return if he would be stuck as a LDE in Blanche's run first schemes. Maybe he can return to form in 2009.

[akhhorus]

The Post went in to some more detail for tomorrow's edition and indicated that Taylor would have more freedom next season. He better. I wouldn't support his return if he would be stuck as a LDE in Blanche's run first schemes. Maybe he can return to form in 2009.

Thats my feeling also. He wouldn't come back without cash incentives unless he's been promised that Blache won't hold him back.

[skinsfan36]

Thats my feeling also. He wouldn't come back without cash incentives unless he's been promised that Blache won't hold him back.

agree. it will be nice to see a healthy jason taylor roaming after qbs.we saw what he could do vs philly in week 16,week2,3 when healthy. we need to get haye/bernard in fa or jerry/scott/hood in the draft and our line could be pretty good.

[shally]

Thats my feeling also. He wouldn't come back without cash incentives unless he's been promised that Blache won't hold him back.

let's hope so.. i sure think it would make a huge difference if he came back at his usual level of performance

[jaylen]

This Taylor news has conflict written all over it, Blache scheme and personality seems to run counter to the player Taylor is I can already see a situation where the front office says one thing and the coordinator feels another. It seems to be typical stupid Skins management rearing its ugly head.

If Blache's arm was twisted I'd bet he'd say Taylor doesn't fit what he wants to do. yet we force him on Blache with a promise to let him have more freedom. lol

just perfect.

man we lose more games with offseason decisions it seems than any team in the league.

[ldsdbomber]

There's no long line waiting to pry Albert Haynesworth from the Titans.

In fact, Washington might be the logical landing spot. Hmmmm. I wonder why Redskins owner Dan Snyder was having dinner with the agent for Haynesworth, Chad Speck, at Morton's here Saturday night. I'm sure they were just talking about how it was colder here than at the Arctic Circle. But I kept asking all weekend: "Who wants Haynesworth -- or, more appropriately, who's going to pony up for him?'' And I got the old "it only takes one'' answer a few times. But one coach told me the smartest thing, and this was a coach who has some interest in getting Haynesworth at the right price, which is about half of what Haynesworth is hoping to get. "Everybody I've asked this weekend says, 'We're out of that,' or 'I don't think you'll see us involved in Haynesworth.' ''

Sad, really, because he's a great football player, an impactful player who can change a game from the interior defensive line spot. The downer stuff about Haynesworth:

• He's never played a full season. He's started three, 11, 10, 14, 10, 12 and 14 in his seven seasons.

• He's never played more than 65 percent of the Titans' defensive snaps in a season. You might say a Nnamdi Asomugha is tremendously overpaid at $15-million a year (much more on him later in the column), but Asomugha or a quarterback is going to play 95 percent of his unit's plays in the course of a year, barring injury. Even if healthy, Haynesworth's going to come off the field a third of the time, minimum. So do you want to pay quarterback money to a player who never touches the ball and plays two-thirds of the snaps a franchise quarterback plays? It makes no sense.

• He's got a reputation for coasting on some plays.

• He'll be 28 on opening day. You want to pay a 335-pound guy who's never started more than 14 games and is entering his eighth year $13 million or $15 million a year? Good luck.

In the end, my guess is Snyder will pay up and grab him. He's the kind of trophy player Snyder would love to have, and the kind of player, if healthy, who will really help the Redskins close the gap on the Giants in the NFC East.

[lorimike]

At least Hanyesworth would cost no draft picks. But we have seen this
"movie" before. Anyone remember our offseason coup when we signed Dana Stubblefield? He was never the same player again. I think we are better off building with some modest free agents that won't kill our salary cap if and when we cut them. But I have to admit the idea of Haynesworth is intruiging.

[LATrueRedskin]

If they intend to move him around(and Mau looks like the kind of intelligent player who could handle that easily), the pick makes sense. I think at the end of the day, they'll end up with one of the USC lbs.

That's what I'm starting to think now as well. All three of them (Cushing, Maualuga, Matthews) are bunched in the middle of the first round, and I'm thinking we'll take one of them. If that's the case, hopefully it will be Maualuga. Guy is a monster, and could hold down an outside linebacker job until Fletcher retires. Fletcher will be a great mentor for him as well, if Maualuga even needs it.

[akhhorus]

At least Hanyesworth would cost no draft picks. But we have seen this
"movie" before. Anyone remember our offseason coup when we signed Dana Stubblefield? He was never the same player again. I think we are better off building with some modest free agents that won't kill our salary cap if and when we cut them. But I have to admit the idea of Haynesworth is intruiging.

Haynesworth would cost 60-70 million in a contract, and has always been lazy--except when playing for a contract.

And Stubby was a roidhead.

There's no long line waiting to pry Albert Haynesworth from the Titans.

In fact, Washington might be the logical landing spot. Hmmmm. I wonder why Redskins owner Dan Snyder was having dinner with the agent for Haynesworth, Chad Speck, at Morton's here Saturday night. I'm sure they were just talking about how it was colder here than at the Arctic Circle. But I kept asking all weekend: "Who wants Haynesworth -- or, more appropriately, who's going to pony up for him?'' And I got the old "it only takes one'' answer a few times. But one coach told me the smartest thing, and this was a coach who has some interest in getting Haynesworth at the right price, which is about half of what Haynesworth is hoping to get. "Everybody I've asked this weekend says, 'We're out of that,' or 'I don't think you'll see us involved in Haynesworth.' ''

Sad, really, because he's a great football player, an impactful player who can change a game from the interior defensive line spot. The downer stuff about Haynesworth:

• He's never played a full season. He's started three, 11, 10, 14, 10, 12 and 14 in his seven seasons.

• He's never played more than 65 percent of the Titans' defensive snaps in a season. You might say a Nnamdi Asomugha is tremendously overpaid at $15-million a year (much more on him later in the column), but Asomugha or a quarterback is going to play 95 percent of his unit's plays in the course of a year, barring injury. Even if healthy, Haynesworth's going to come off the field a third of the time, minimum. So do you want to pay quarterback money to a player who never touches the ball and plays two-thirds of the snaps a franchise quarterback plays? It makes no sense.

• He's got a reputation for coasting on some plays.

• He'll be 28 on opening day. You want to pay a 335-pound guy who's never started more than 14 games and is entering his eighth year $13 million or $15 million a year? Good luck.

In the end, my guess is Snyder will pay up and grab him. He's the kind of trophy player Snyder would love to have, and the kind of player, if healthy, who will really help the Redskins close the gap on the Giants in the NFC East.

Tampa wants Haynesworth badly and they have 45 million in cap room. They'll get him long before we even make him an offer.

That's what I'm starting to think now as well. All three of them (Cushing, Maualuga, Matthews) are bunched in the middle of the first round, and I'm thinking we'll take one of them. If that's the case, hopefully it will be Maualuga. Guy is a monster, and could hold down an outside linebacker job until Fletcher retires. Fletcher will be a great mentor for him as well, if Maualuga even needs it.

I wouldn't cry if we dealt back and ended up with Cushing.

[Gravy]

I still think we will definitley trade back and pick up more picks...I think that was Vincent's mind set from the Taylor trade...but I can see them picking at 13 IF the right impact player falls to them at 13...but I gues it will depend upon what they do FA...AHK, as always I love your work...I am still scratching my head over Kyle Orton but I understand and I "get it" (not really) with our FO...

[SkinsfaninNJ]

let's hope so.. i sure think it would make a huge difference if he came back at his usual level of performance

I agree. We saw it too against the Eagles. Would love to see that week in and week out.

[LATrueRedskin]

I wouldn't cry if we dealt back and ended up with Cushing.

I wouldn't either, if we dealt back. I would have a problem if we took him at 13, regardless of whether or not Maualuga has been taken. I don't think Cushing is too far off from Maualuga's talent, and to pick up an additional pick would make it equal.

Our only problem is we don't draft well after the first round lol.

[Lavar703]

Im sold on Maualuga at 13. The only other player I really like in this draft is Duke Robinson, I really think hes going to be one heck of a player. I know we hate drafting the best player available, but I just dont see how you can justify picking someone else over him at 13.

[shally]

I wouldn't either, if we dealt back. I would have a problem if we took him at 13, regardless of whether or not Maualuga has been taken. I don't think Cushing is too far off from Maualuga's talent, and to pick up an additional pick would make it equal.

Our only problem is we don't draft well after the first round lol.

cushing has some durability issues, maulauga doesnt...not much else to choose between them

[shally]

Im sold on Maualuga at 13. The only other player I really like in this draft is Duke Robinson, I really think hes going to be one heck of a player. I know we hate drafting the best player available, but I just dont see how you can justify picking someone else over him at 13.

robinson will likely still be available at the end of round 1 and we could trade down and get him.. maulauga wont. we would be lucky to get him at 13

i could be very happy with a trade down and snagging robinson and cushing as our first 2 picks...

[hogs86]

Lets just say the skins did sign Haynesworth. If they can squeeze him under the cap. How could they do it? Would that mean we do not sign Hall and no one else ?

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Admittedly, I don't follow college football well enough to speak on all of these draftees, but I have a hard time getting as excited about getting a really good LB as oposed to a really good T, DT or DE.

I mean our D was OK last year with a broken down Washington and a recovering Rocky. Our D would have been much better if we could have gotten to the QB more. Not to be short-sighted, but would a good young LB really help that much unless he can also rush the passer like the Texas kid?

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Lets just say the skins did sign Haynesworth. If they can squeeze him under the cap. How could they do it? Would that mean we do not sign Hall and no one else ?

Edit: Disregard, article mentioned on prior page.

[akhhorus]

Lets just say the skins did sign Haynesworth. If they can squeeze him under the cap. How could they do it? Would that mean we do not sign Hall and no one else ?

They would have to gut some big contracts to get it in. I don't think anyone who's hoping we sign him realizes how big his deal is going to be. He's going to be the highest paid defensive player in the league, barring some massive surprise, and he's going to want 30-40 million dollars in the first few years.

[shally]

They would have to gut some big contracts to get it in. I don't think anyone who's hoping we sign him realizes how big his deal is going to be. He's going to be the highest paid defensive player in the league, barring some massive surprise, and he's going to want 30-40 million dollars in the first few years.


but, the upside is that he has the capacity by himself to lift the entire defense the way no one else can right now

they would clearly dump griffin and not resign daniels and probably evans

hard to tell how it would shake out with the corners..BUT i will say this much, haynesworth would make the overall defense far better than hall would. i would rather overpay for him than for hall

[akhhorus]

but, the upside is that he has the capacity by himself to lift the entire defense the way no one else can right now

they would clearly dump griffin and not resign daniels and probably evans

hard to tell how it would shake out with the corners..BUT i will say this much, haynesworth would make the overall defense far better than hall would. i would rather overpay for him than for hall

I'm not disputing that, but Haynesworth might get twice as much as Hall does. I don't believe any of these rumors linking Haynesworth to the skins. We just don't have anything close to the cap room to sign him.

[JsMaViSd]

but, the upside is that he has the capacity by himself to lift the entire defense the way no one else can right now

they would clearly dump griffin and not resign daniels and probably evans

hard to tell how it would shake out with the corners..BUT i will say this much, haynesworth would make the overall defense far better than hall would. i would rather overpay for him than for hall

Evans is reportedly not coming back (per jlc). And im guessing Griffin is gone as well. If we keep taylor, Daniels is gone. or vice versa

[stonebraker]

I see you have dorell scott as your mandatory Clemson/South Carolina pickup of the off season. I'll take Da'rel Scott over Dorell Scott though. I don't really get your "What Vinny will talk himself into doing" section though. I don't really see that as contributing to much discussion.

Other than that, That'd be cool if we got Khalif Barnes. The Rey Maualuga pick would be a cool pickup for us. Any player who freaks Erin Andrews on the sideline is good enough for me!

[akhhorus]

I see you have dorell scott as your mandatory Clemson/South Carolina pickup of the off season. I'll take Da'rel Scott over Dorell Scott though.

I don't have a mandatory Clemson/SC pickup. Dorrell Scott makes sense for the Skins to take as a mid round pick regardless of where he went to school.

I don't really get your "What Vinny will talk himself into doing" section though. I don't really see that as contributing to much discussion.

I don't see this comment contributing much discussion either.

[hogs86]

This comes from PFT. I think Hall will test the market?

Link http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

TWO AGENTS NOT A NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR DEANGELO



David Elfin of the Washington Times reports that Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall has not one but two agents — Joel Segal and Alvin Keels.

As regular readers of this site might remember, it’s not a new development.

Last March, we pointed out that there were rumors in league circles that Hall had severed ties with Segal, replacing him with Keels. Not so, we learned at the time. Hall and Keels were working together, and their joint efforts resulted in the seven-year, $72 million deal with the Raiders, which ended up being actually $8 million for eight games.

So to the extent that Redskins fans might be concerned that the involvement of two agents is some recent twist that could prevent the ‘Skins and Hall from getting a new deal done, it isn’t.

[shally]

This comes from PFT. I think Hall will test the market?

Link http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

TWO AGENTS NOT A NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR DEANGELO



David Elfin of the Washington Times reports that Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall has not one but two agents — Joel Segal and Alvin Keels.

As regular readers of this site might remember, it’s not a new development.

Last March, we pointed out that there were rumors in league circles that Hall had severed ties with Segal, replacing him with Keels. Not so, we learned at the time. Hall and Keels were working together, and their joint efforts resulted in the seven-year, $72 million deal with the Raiders, which ended up being actually $8 million for eight games.

So to the extent that Redskins fans might be concerned that the involvement of two agents is some recent twist that could prevent the ‘Skins and Hall from getting a new deal done, it isn’t.

thanks for the info.. i would think that having 2 agents costs something more than having one ? usually works out that way with professional services contracts...
someone is going to end up paying in the end...

[shally]

Evans is reportedly not coming back (per jlc). And im guessing Griffin is gone as well. If we keep taylor, Daniels is gone. or vice versa

i agree about evans.. but i think that it was a choice between evans and daniels.

i bet the front office believes that they can get daniels for cheaper in view of his age and injury history.. but, in reality, they are the same player. daniels is 6 years older but in incredible shape. he never had great speed but is a load on the end. both can play inside. but taylor is wholly different than both these guys..

griffin just looks worn out

[skinsfan36]

i agree about evans.. but i think that it was a choice between evans and daniels.

i bet the front office believes that they can get daniels for cheaper in view of his age and injury history.. but, in reality, they are the same player. daniels is 6 years older but in incredible shape. he never had great speed but is a load on the end. both can play inside. but taylor is wholly different than both these guys..

griffin just looks worn out

i think we can get daniels at the vet min if we want. who is going to pay anymore than that? if we sign a DE not named daniels/evans then i think we see rob jackson alot more next year. jason taylor said that guy has a real burst as a pass rusher in the preseason

[shally]

i think we can get daniels at the vet min if we want. who is going to pay anymore than that? if we sign a DE not named daniels/evans then i think we see rob jackson alot more next year. jason taylor said that guy has a real burst as a pass rusher in the preseason

i hope you are correct.. having one out of wilson, jackson or buzbee would be a real plus for the team...

[skinsfan36]

i hope you are correct.. having one out of wilson, jackson or buzbee would be a real plus for the team...

hey look at this way with three the odds are better for one to work out lol

[shally]

hey look at this way with three the odds are better for one to work out lol

my money is on jackson.. wilson looks to have regressed.. buzbee is coming off an injury that limits explosiveness for while (it took julian peterson a littl ewhile to get over his achilles).. that leaves the rookie who is going to have had a year to learn technique and get stronger

[Moe]

my money is on jackson.. wilson looks to have regressed.. buzbee is coming off an injury that limits explosiveness for while (it took julian peterson a littl ewhile to get over his achilles).. that leaves the rookie who is going to have had a year to learn technique and get stronger

Wilson seems to just be a speed guy but he's easily neutralized if his man gets his hands on him. Buzbee is such an unknown, so it's hard to say. I thought Jackson showed some promise in the pre-season and he has the build to be a full time player if he improves. I forget the game last season, but he got a decent number of snaps and was largely ineffective. I remember him trying a spin move numerous times but his footwork was poor and he was literally spinning in place. He should be a guy to watch this year to see how/if he's progressed.

[shally]

Wilson seems to just be a speed guy but he's easily neutralized if his man gets his hands on him. Buzbee is such an unknown, so it's hard to say. I thought Jackson showed some promise in the pre-season and he has the build to be a full time player if he improves. I forget the game last season, but he got a decent number of snaps and was largely ineffective. I remember him trying a spin move numerous times but his footwork was poor and he was literally spinning in place. He should be a guy to watch this year to see how/if he's progressed.

wilson looks like clemons did while he was here.. maybe wilson needs a stint with the raiders and eagles to learn to rush the passer ? lol