Ray Willis Is Another Free Agent Target

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/t_ray_willis_-_another_free_ag.html

Ray Willis, the young Seattle tackle, could be the solution to Washington's right tackle problems, and is someone the team is looking at as free agency looms, according to a league source. Willis, 26, did not play much in his first three years in Seattle - he was drafted while Skins coaches Jim Zorn and Stump Mitchell were on the staff - but when injuries hit the Seahawks' line last year, he started 10 games and fared well.

He is still a bit raw, but has great size at 6-feet-6, 315 pounds. Some executives in the league believe him to be Washington's top tackle option, and he will not be too expensive to land. With Derrick Dockery released and now someone younger who could be plugged in at guard, the Skins have some decent options. As we have previously reported, the Skins have given no indications that they will be making a play for the more expensive young offensive linemen like Jason Brown or Chris Kemoeatu.

If the Skins can't land someone like Willis or Dockery, then older players coming off injuries would fit the value role. These are guys we have already discussed this week like Jeff Saturday, Mark Tauscher and Stacy Andrews.

[wide_awake]

"Washington's top tackle option"

Are there any free agents who are NOT a top option?

[shally]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/t_ray_willis_-_another_free_ag.html

just saw that.. he sounds like heyer-- big guy with limited footwork

better option would be jon stinchcomb of the saints.. solid player. already a starter.. would depend upon how much he wants

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Christ, who aren't the Skins going after?? My guess is that we'll sign 2-3 max of all these FA's we're rumoured to be interested in.

That being said I never heard of Willis before this but would seem like a decent value pick up.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Ironically I know his father in law, he's the head of the rec department down here. He just mentioned to me in Food Lion the other night that we were interested in Ray and vice versa, which was fine with him because then his daughter would be closer lol. I didnt think too much about it at the time but might not be a bad option. I like him and Dock to sure up the OL, he also played RG for Seattle so he has some versatility. I met him last summer when he was in town pretty cool guy, my son even got his autograph.

[Red Bear]

anyone else like the idea of taking a chance on a younger cheaper below the radar guy for right tackle? personally i never heard of ray willis. if he comes cheap its competition atleast. i can see jon jansen disgruntled on the bench this year already.

[silverspring]

Never heard of this guy but like the idea of him. I am sure zorn knows how good he is and he is going to be cheap, he is very young and has upside. It just seems like a much more sensible option then some of these other guys.

[Red Bear]

Ironically I know his father in law, he's the head of the rec department down here. He just mentioned to me in Food Lion the other night that we were interested in Ray and vice versa, which was fine with him because then his daughter would be closer lol. I didnt think too much about it at the time but might not be a bad option. I like him and Dock to sure up the OL, he also played RG for Seattle so he has some versatility. I met him last summer when he was in town pretty cool guy, my son even got his autograph.

proof of tampering?

[silverspring]

proof of tampering?

ssshhhhhhh!

[NCskinsfanatic]

proof of tampering?

lmao...nah as we say round here they're just chewing the fat a lil early but he did mention this too me, must have been Sunday maybe.

[Red Bear]

ssshhhhhhh!

like the NFL would ever believe a message board report and use it as evidence to convict the skins of tampering. the seahawks would have to have more proof than that should they decide to file tampering charges

[silverspring]

like the NFL would ever believe a message board report and use it as evidence to convict the skins of tampering. the seahawks would have to have more proof than that should they decide to file tampering charges

i know i am just joking, i am sure this is common practice.

[LASkin]

just saw that.. he sounds like heyer-- big guy with limited footwork

better option would be jon stinchcomb of the saints.. solid player. already a starter.. would depend upon how much he wants

Based on what fans in Seattle say, he sounds better suited to guard than tackle. See: http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/2/9/754190/2008-season-retrospective .

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

zorn must be familiar with him then.

[CarMike]

Christ, who aren't the Skins going after?? My guess is that we'll sign 2-3 max of all these FA's we're rumoured to be interested in.

That being said I never heard of Willis before this but would seem like a decent value pick up.

Everyone mentions the Redskins to jack up their price.

[skinsfan36]

He would be a good pickup if we got him and dock then we could grab the top dt or slb availble well we prob get canty or haynesworth so tbd. im excited to see this all shake out. specifically ahynesowrth what he gets even if its not here

[shally]

He would be a good pickup if we got him and dock then we could grab the top dt or slb availble well we prob get canty or haynesworth so tbd. im excited to see this all shake out. specifically ahynesowrth what he gets even if its not here

yeah.. if we impoverish ourselves with hall, we might need to go this route...

[The Iceman]

Now that we have done two of the things I really wanted us to do... (Hall and AH). I say no need to pick up an offensive lineman in FA. Let's just draft an OT with our first pick in the draft and then an OG with the second. The only thing I want to see in FA now, is a guy like Hackett and a decent OLB.

If by chance we pick up a guy who can play G/C in FA, then I say still go OT with first pick in the draft and then OLB with second. There is a chance that we could have a very good season this year if Jason Campbell can step it up.

This Ray Willis wouldn't even be as good as one of the top 4 OT in the draft. I wouldn't even be opposed to trading down, stading pat at OT and drafting a C and a G in the first two rounds.

[skinsfan36]

Now that we have done two of the things I really wanted us to do... (Hall and AH). I say no need to pick up an offensive lineman in FA. Let's just draft an OT with our first pick in the draft and then an OG with the second. The only thing I want to see in FA now, is a guy like Hackett and a decent OLB.

If by chance we pick up a guy who can play G/C in FA, then I say still go OT with first pick in the draft and then OLB with second. There is a chance that we could have a very good season this year if Jason Campbell can step it up.

This Ray Willis wouldn't even be as good as one of the top 4 OT in the draft. I wouldn't even be opposed to trading down, stading pat at OT and drafting a C and a G in the first two rounds.

say no to hackett he will only take snaps away from thomas and kelly

[shally]

say no to hackett he will only take snaps away from thomas and kelly

+1 on hackett

engram would be okay.. good leader and teacher

[Skins57]

say no to hackett he will only take snaps away from thomas and kelly

I agree, no wrs at all. we have to get something out of thomas and kelly this year

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Any word on where this guy's heading?

[skinsfan36]

Any word on where this guy's heading?

havent seen anything on him. shefter has him as a sleeper free agent linemen

[NCskinsfanatic]

havent seen anything on him. shefter has him as a sleeper free agent linemen

I need to call his father in law at the recreation department and see what he knows lol.

[skinsfan36]

I need to call his father in law at the recreation department and see what he knows lol.

lol u said we were interested right? i wonder if dock and no cap room changes that any?

[shally]

i dont see it happening now.. we will draft for OL depth and we have 3 or 4 former PS guys who can also push

[NCskinsfanatic]

i dont see it happening now.. we will draft for OL depth and we have 3 or 4 former PS guys who can also push

I think this is most likely to be the case now...I still like Willis better than Heyer though. And he can play RT and RG...

[koinzx]

We really need this guy. Find a way.

[The Iceman]

We really need this guy. Find a way.

Negative. This is no longer a need. We have plenty of depth at G. And we need to draft an OT, not pick up this scrub in FA. We have filled our most pressing needs through FA. Now, we can focus our first two pick on the OT spot and maybe an OLB although I don't think that is as a pressing need as most here do.

I say pass on Willis. There is a reason noone has ever heard of this guy. Look early on draft day at the OT. Let's get a starter with that first pick. I'd sure like to see two Crimson Tide alumn locking down the T spots.

[coffdogg]

+1 on hackett

engram would be okay.. good leader and teacherNo more Wr's. Line Line Line

[shally]

No more Wr's. Line Line Line

we will be getting line line, and more line

but, unless you are counting completely on davis, thomas and kelly stepping up a whole lot, i would still like to have a better veteran wideout than thrash

[The Iceman]

we will be getting line line, and more line

but, unless you are counting completely on davis, thomas and kelly stepping up a whole lot, i would still like to have a better veteran wideout than thrash

Agreed. The question marks surrounding Kelly's knee and Thomas's brain are too much for me to just buy into without having a backup plan.

[koinzx]

Without a better O-Line, it does not matter who is playing WR. Our QB will be on his back or the RB getting 1 or 2 yards per carry. But I can see your point about nobody knows this guy. If he is any good Zorn would know and we would find a way to get him.

[The Iceman]

Without a better O-Line, it does not matter who is playing WR. Our QB will be on his back or the RB getting 1 or 2 yards per carry. But I can see your point about nobody knows this guy. If he is any good Zorn would know and we would find a way to get him.

I agree the O'line needs to get better. That is why I am saying to draft an OT with our first pick wherever that ends up being. That doesn't mean we can't pick up a veteran WR in the case that our picks from last year start strong out of the gate or in the event that they have injury issues.

[koinzx]

I agree the O'line needs to get better. That is why I am saying to draft an OT with our first pick wherever that ends up being. That doesn't mean we can't pick up a veteran WR in the case that our picks from last year start strong out of the gate or in the event that they have injury issues.

Yes we absolutely should draft an OT. I guess I am still living in the era of the Hogs. I just feel it(winning) all starts up front with the big boys.

[Luis Landa]

I would bring in Ray Willis today we have the money to sign him now that JT is gone..

[Redskinmayhem]

honestly, w/ a quality O-line, any WR can get open/QB has time to throw. it's that simple. Look at the Bums McNabb has had over the years. Only TO has been decent. The line makes the rest of those bums look better than they are.

[shally]

honestly, w/ a quality O-line, any WR can get open/QB has time to throw. it's that simple. Look at the Bums McNabb has had over the years. Only TO has been decent. The line makes the rest of those bums look better than they are.


not our bums.. some of them CANT get open, no matter how much time they have

[skinsfan36]

willis is visting with the raiders today.they resigned carlisle today to play guard but are probably looking at him as an OT

[shally]

willis is visting with the raiders today.they resigned carlisle today to play guard but are probably looking at him as an OT


we are bottomfeeding for now.. we will wait things out, it appears

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Apparently, Pete Kendall is still on the table

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Still_Hope_Kendall_Returns_32671.jsp

[BurgundyNGold]

Apparently, Pete Kendall is still on the table

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Still_Hope_Kendall_Returns_32671.jsp
Kendall doesn't help fill the gaping hole at RT. They should be looking there with laser intensity.

Oh, and I love how Zorn and the team "hopes to" talk to Kendall. You'd think they'd be in pretty steady contact with his agent if they wished to retain him, lol.

[shally]

Kendall doesn't help fill the gaping hole at RT. They should be looking there with laser intensity.

Oh, and I love how Zorn and the team "hopes to" talk to Kendall. You'd think they'd be in pretty steady contact with his agent if they wished to retain him, lol.

this is the same as what we did with Wade a couple of offseasons ago.. if someone wants him as a starter, he is gone. if they dont, the skins will sign him as a reserve-- likely at vet minimum.. i am ambivalent about that. he is a quality starter in a pinch. but keeping him means one less spot for a young player who might develop in a year or so.. in that sense i hope he goes elsewhere and makes the decision for us...

it does nothing about the R tackle position.. the good thing us that
they know jansen has to be replaced. the bad thing is that they, apparently , are doing nothing about it...

my guess is that they feel they can get guys like runyon, tauscher, and others like that at any time. the longer they wait, the cheaper it gets.. still, you dont get a STARTING right tackle for vet minimum..

they are playing chicken...

[Gravy]

this is the same as what we did with Wade a couple of offseasons ago.. if someone wants him as a starter, he is gone. if they dont, the skins will sign him as a reserve-- likely at vet minimum.. i am ambivalent about that. he is a quality starter in a pinch. but keeping him means one less spot for a young player who might develop in a year or so.. in that sense i hope he goes elsewhere and makes the decision for us...

it does nothing about the R tackle position.. the good thing us that
they know jansen has to be replaced. the bad thing is that they, apparently , are doing nothing about it...

my guess is that they feel they can get guys like runyon, tauscher, and others like that at any time. the longer they wait, the cheaper it gets.. still, you dont get a STARTING right tackle for vet minimum..

they are playing chicken...

:swars:

[skinsfan36]

if they sign kendall then it would be
samuels,dock,rabach,thomas,fa or draft pick
then jansen,kendall,rinehart,heyer thats nine and we usually keep 8.

does anyone think rinehart can play right tackle?

[skinsfan36]

oh yeah btw willis>heyer. he started 10 games and gave up 1.5 sacks in seattle last year

[ClubSandwichGuy]

We have more cap space than I can figure out what to do with, let's just sign this guy and be done with it. We'll still have plenty left for whatever spending spree those two are looking at. Then draft Mauluga/Cushing and be set.

Oh wait, that would be way too easy for Vinny.

[shally]

oh yeah btw willis>heyer. he started 10 games and gave up 1.5 sacks in seattle last year

not a bad resume.. still, seattle chose to let him walk and that says a lot..

[NCskinsfanatic]

not a bad resume.. still, seattle chose to let him walk and that says a lot..

He was forced into the lineup after injuries and I assume he would ahve been relegated to a back up role again so I think he's walking to find a starting gig and/or get paid like a starter.

[shally]

He was forced into the lineup after injuries and I assume he would ahve been relegated to a back up role again so I think he's walking to find a starting gig and/or get paid like a starter.

true.. but seattle could have decided he was a starter and kept him ..??

[NCskinsfanatic]

true.. but seattle could have decided he was a starter and kept him ..??

Whos their RT now? Im assuming they didnt want to pay two RT's starter money or they could view him like we viewed Dock 2 years ago...who knows?

[shally]

Whos their RT now? Im assuming they didnt want to pay two RT's starter money or they could view him like we viewed Dock 2 years ago...who knows?

sean locklear.. they resigned him last year.. he has been up and down his whole career

[NCskinsfanatic]

sean locklear.. they resigned him last year.. he has been up and down his whole career

Thats right...how could I forget him he's a Wolfpacker lol.

[shally]

Thats right...how could I forget him he's a Wolfpacker lol.

they were on the fence a long time with him last year, as i recall. were not sure if he was the long term solution for the position. in the end, they committed to him.
i think his play was okay this year- in fact, nobody distinguished themselves on the line- even walter jones had an off year.
so i think for now, willis had to be the odd man out

[smoak]

Whos their RT now? Im assuming they didnt want to pay two RT's starter money or they could view him like we viewed Dock 2 years ago...who knows?

So you're saying the Seattle fron office has their head up their backside and they do not have a REAL plan to fill the void??


:D

Thats right...how could I forget him he's a Wolfpacker lol.

Must... resist urge... to.... comment.

[NCskinsfanatic]

So you're saying the Seattle fron office has their head up their backside and they do not have a REAL plan to fill the void??


:D

Yes


Must... resist urge... to.... comment.

lmao...

[warpaint]

Thats right...how could I forget him he's a Wolfpacker lol.

also a member of the great lumbee tribe

[Moe]

[QUOTE=shally;1201553]this is the same as what we did with Wade a couple of offseasons ago.. if someone wants him as a starter, he is gone. if they dont, the skins will sign him as a reserve-- likely at vet minimum.. i am ambivalent about that. he is a quality starter in a pinch. but keeping him means one less spot for a young player who might develop in a year or so.. in that sense i hope he goes elsewhere and makes the decision for us...
[\QUOTE]

Kendall would afford some depth at C as well, which would follow Buges' modis operandi of trusted vets.

Like you, I am ambivalent about this. Kendall was arguably the most consistent o-lineman all last year but his role as a starter has passed. His capability as depth would seem to trump working on a younger option under this current regime.

[Redskin4Life]

if they sign kendall then it would be
samuels,dock,rabach,thomas,fa or draft pick
then jansen,kendall,rinehart,heyer thats nine and we usually keep 8.

does anyone think rinehart can play right tackle?
Actually we usually keep 9, we did during the Gibbs years and even this past season... on opening day, we had:

Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Heyer, Jansen, Rinehart, Fabini and Geisenger

But my preference would be to have these 9:

Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Heyer (can compete for the starting job), Jansen (backup T/C - he's played C in college and at one point in the season was considered the first guy off the bench for Rabach), Rinehart, Willis (compete for start), Brown (eventual replacement for Thomas)

I've got a feeling all 4 of the big OTs will be gone by 13, which would probably mean someone that should be in the top 10 fell. We'll probably trade down and pick LBs or DEs with the two picks (or maybe get a first next year along with a second/late first). If one of the big boys is there, cut Willis or Brown for him.

This draft should only be linemen (O or D) and LB... I don't want to see a pick wasted on any other position.

[shally]

[QUOTE=shally;1201553]this is the same as what we did with Wade a couple of offseasons ago.. if someone wants him as a starter, he is gone. if they dont, the skins will sign him as a reserve-- likely at vet minimum.. i am ambivalent about that. he is a quality starter in a pinch. but keeping him means one less spot for a young player who might develop in a year or so.. in that sense i hope he goes elsewhere and makes the decision for us...
[\QUOTE]

Kendall would afford some depth at C as well, which would follow Buges' modis operandi of trusted vets.

Like you, I am ambivalent about this. Kendall was arguably the most consistent o-lineman all last year but his role as a starter has passed. His capability as depth would seem to trump working on a younger option under this current regime.

keeping us locked in perpetual mediocre mode by re signing past their prime guys like fabini, kendall, and now possibly wynn and daniels for the d line..

[chrisbcbu]

I would be all for Ray Willis coming in!

Then draft a OLB or DE with the 13th pick then get a OC/OG with the 3rd rounder. I would love this. But i dont see it happening at all.

[colkurtz]

BL- the team is going to have to draft it's #13 to get a starter. You're not going to get a starting OT, DE or OLB on the cheap in FA.

[BurgundyNGold]

BL- the team is going to have to draft it's #13 to get a starter. You're not going to get a starting OT, DE or OLB on the cheap in FA.
OT: If you want better but older: Tra Thomans and Jon Runyan. If you prefer younger but good, Kalif Barnes and Riche Incognito.

DE: If you want good but older, Betrand Berry. If you want younger but good, Igor Olshansky.

OLB: Again, old but good: Mike Peterson. Younger but good: Angelo Crowell.

Source (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/fa)

I have no idea why the FO is letting these starters sit out there when they could easily fit one guy from each position under this year's cap with room to spare for rookies. In the case of OT, I think the FO has confused the fact that they have to *pay* Jansen with the mistake that they should actually *play* Jansen at RT.

[sinskin]

BL- the team is going to have to draft it's #13 to get a starter. You're not going to get a starting OT, DE or OLB on the cheap in FA.

There lies the rub.... I'll bet my paycheck that we trade down and pick up a late #1 and 2nd. What would you give to have Curry on this team?

Saw him on the combine coverage and he IS a freak of nature.

[VegasSkinsFan]

OT: If you want better but older: Tra Thomans and Jon Runyan. If you prefer younger but good, Kalif Barnes and Riche Incognito.

DE: If you want good but older, Betrand Berry. If you want younger but good, Igor Olshansky.

OLB: Again, old but good: Mike Peterson. Younger but good: Angelo Crowell.

Source (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/fa)

I have no idea why the FO is letting these starters sit out there when they could easily fit one guy from each position under this year's cap with room to spare for rookies. In the case of OT, I think the FO has confused the fact that they have to *pay* Jansen with the mistake that they should actually *play* Jansen at RT.

Looks like Barnes will sign with oakland , olshanksky is the better choice because of the age factor. For LB....here is a question......does Fincher have any upside/positives , also Kevin Burnett..any thoughts on him? Agree that Crowell makes sense, but FO has made no apparent move for him, even with Fletch making a case for him. Runyan is a mauler though.

[BurgundyNGold]

Looks like Barnes will sign with oakland , olshanksky is the better choice because of the age factor. For LB....here is a question......does Fincher have any upside/positives , also Kevin Burnett..any thoughts on him? Agree that Crowell makes sense, but FO has made no apparent move for him, even with Fletch making a case for him. Runyan is a mauler though.
Barnes only signs with Oakland if we let him. Nobody goes to Oakland as anything but a last resort anymore, lol. Besides, so far, I've only heard that he is visiting Oakland.

As for Fincher, who knows. He's undersized but looked to be very active in preseason last year. I would rather have a proven commodity as a starter and then give Fincher time to develop in a backup role. Right now, Matt Sinclair is #1 on the depth chart, and that should scare the **** out of all of us, lol.

[akhhorus]

Barnes only signs with Oakland if we let him. Nobody goes to Oakland as anything but a last resort anymore, lol. Besides, so far, I've only heard that he is visiting Oakland.


Khalif Barnes signs with Oakland lol

Link (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/sources-raiders-ink-barnes/)

[VegasSkinsFan]

Yeah, our LB roster is looking a little lame. I think Fincher has enough to be a backup and teams player at worst, spot starter at best. It would be great to have 6-7 picks this draft, guess we wait for next year for that hopefully.

[shally]

Yeah, our LB roster is looking a little lame. I think Fincher has enough to be a backup and teams player at worst, spot starter at best. It would be great to have 6-7 picks this draft, guess we wait for next year for that hopefully.

we will be trading those future picks to fill in this years draft...watch and see...

[shally]

OT: If you want better but older: Tra Thomans and Jon Runyan. If you prefer younger but good, Kalif Barnes and Riche Incognito.

DE: If you want good but older, Betrand Berry. If you want younger but good, Igor Olshansky.

OLB: Again, old but good: Mike Peterson. Younger but good: Angelo Crowell.

Source (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/fa)

I have no idea why the FO is letting these starters sit out there when they could easily fit one guy from each position under this year's cap with room to spare for rookies. In the case of OT, I think the FO has confused the fact that they have to *pay* Jansen with the mistake that they should actually *play* Jansen at RT.

incognito re-signed with the rams just before the start of free agency, i believe

bugel is a large part of the problem.. so is blache.. they are attached to older players, and cant get past that

[JsMaViSd]

i would love to see us go after Bertrand Berry

[shally]

i would love to see us go after Bertrand Berry


he fits the template of being old, at least...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

incognito re-signed with the rams just before the start of free agency, i believe

bugel is a large part of the problem.. so is blache.. they are attached to older players, and cant get past that

Seems like we need to gut the WHOLE staff out...

[shally]

Seems like we need to gut the WHOLE staff out...

after this year, i think there is a high probability of that happening

if we dont make the playoffs, there will be a massive house cleaning of both players and coaches

[Tha Boss Hogg]

after this year, i think there is a high probability of that happening

if we dont make the playoffs, there will be a massive house cleaning of both players and coaches

I still feel like I would keep Jim Zorn as an OC if somehow possible...

[shally]

I still feel like I would keep Jim Zorn as an OC if somehow possible...

can you tell me one thing he did after the first 7 games that made you want him to come back, even as an OC ?

i thought he was simply horrible. no creativity. deer in the headlight look.
no imagination at all. between him and meidt, JC struggled mightily for well over half a year.

understand, i am not a great fan of JC overall, but i cannot help but think that with a better OC and QB coach, he wouldnt have struggled so badly the second half..

[VegasSkinsFan]

we will be trading those future picks to fill in this years draft...watch and see...

Man, i really hope that doesnt happen. My thinking as of today ( yes, with this team it changes everyday ). I would go a fairly conservative plan, keep all of next years picks...and use the remaining cap space for at least 2 holes. Right now I am thinking ( mainly to keep cost low?) Attempt to sign Crowell, Fincher and PD ( yes that PD, but only for 1 year/vet min ). Then with our round one pick, grab the best OT left and go C in the third round. If the top OT's are gone by #13 , trade back and now there are options of going robinson/mack then oline again with the next pick. This wont solve our problem at OT , and then we will have to look for a vet cut to fill in a year, possible a runyan , or willis if he is still there.
The reason i say sign PD, is because a pass rushing DE is not what Blache wants. So we suck it up 1 more year and with a full draft next year, make the changes then. I think we should rebuild the OLine this year, and grab a better DE next year....or if Sidbury drops etc. My mind will change again.

[VegasSkinsFan]

can you tell me one thing he did after the first 7 games that made you want him to come back, even as an OC ?

i thought he was simply horrible. no creativity. deer in the headlight look.
no imagination at all. between him and meidt, JC struggled mightily for well over half a year.

understand, i am not a great fan of JC overall, but i cannot help but think that with a better OC and QB coach, he wouldnt have struggled so badly the second half..

I know...and what really throws me for a loop is, you would think an ex-nfl qb would kind of know how to run an offense. Maybe first year jitters/conservatism.....almost afraid to open things up. I am of the mindset that if you have playmakers, do everything you can to let them make plays. I would love to see ARE run a wildcat or at least have the threat of him throwing. Let CP run a dummydumpoff route with a 2 TE set or something to that effect. Anything to mix it up...aaarrrggggg !!!!

[Tha Boss Hogg]

can you tell me one thing he did after the first 7 games that made you want him to come back, even as an OC ?

i thought he was simply horrible. no creativity. deer in the headlight look.
no imagination at all. between him and meidt, JC struggled mightily for well over half a year.

understand, i am not a great fan of JC overall, but i cannot help but think that with a better OC and QB coach, he wouldnt have struggled so badly the second half..

IMO I think he could be great if he spent his full undivided attention on the offense. The first part of the season the offense was electric. I think he just let guys like JC get big-headed and the team lost their edge. (We aren't the Cowboys the redskins are known for being hard working) Look how much time he spends with JC as a head coach, imagine if he could give him all of his attention. I don't know what it is lol, but I feel he is tailor made to be an OC...

[shally]

I know...and what really throws me for a loop is, you would think an ex-nfl qb would kind of know how to run an offense. Maybe first year jitters/conservatism.....almost afraid to open things up. I am of the mindset that if you have playmakers, do everything you can to let them make plays. I would love to see ARE run a wildcat or at least have the threat of him throwing. Let CP run a dummydumpoff route with a 2 TE set or something to that effect. Anything to mix it up...aaarrrggggg !!!!

+1 with everything you said

zorn needs to prove he can handle the job over a season next year.

and sherman smith ?? will someone kindly tell me why he is here ?

[shally]

IMO I think he could be great if he spent his full undivided attention on the offense. The first part of the season the offense was electric. I think he just let guys like JC get big-headed and the team lost their edge. (We aren't the Cowboys the redskins are known for being hard working) Look how much time he spends with JC as a head coach, imagine if he could give him all of his attention. I don't know what it is lol, but I feel he is tailor made to be an OC...

how much of his attention was really focused on the defense ? c'mon, other than looking at blache and saying "would you guys please stop our opponents"
do you think he does anything else on that side ? i dont..

at least he probably knows the names of the defensive players, unlike spurrier. but i think his knowledge of what the defense is doing is strictly through the eyes of what a qb would see. couldnt help but be that way.

[skinsfan36]

Jlcs blog said we are roughly 7 million under the cap. we need 3 million to sign rookies. he talked like we were mulling over the best option out of the two (brown,willis) and talked about how we still need to sign some linebackers,and defensive end.
imo campbell,fincher would get vin min deals. daniels also. kendall would probably cost a million but if you sign brown or willis then you can draft
1st-lb or de 3rd-opposite of 1st 5th-a center like shipley then in the 6th-bpa at ol/dl/lb 7th rd possible comp-let morrroco work his magic.
it scares me we have 3 Major needs and an idiot who can probably only draft us 2 starters if hes lucky on the 3rd round pick

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Jlcs blog said we are roughly 7 million under the cap. we need 3 million to sign rookies. he talked like we were mulling over the best option out of the two (brown,willis) and talked about how we still need to sign some linebackers,and defensive end.
imo campbell,fincher would get vin min deals. daniels also. kendall would probably cost a million but if you sign brown or willis then you can draft
1st-lb or de 3rd-opposite of 1st 5th-a center like shipley then in the 6th-bpa at ol/dl/lb 7th rd possible comp-let morrroco work his magic.
it scares me we have 3 Major needs and an idiot who can probably only draft us 2 starters if hes lucky on the 3rd round pick

The same idiots drafted Chris Horton...

IDK how they did that...

[skinsfan36]

The same idiots drafted Chris Horton...

IDK how they did that...

you see the part about morocco brown(he was responsible for moore,horton)

[shally]

Jlcs blog said we are roughly 7 million under the cap. we need 3 million to sign rookies. he talked like we were mulling over the best option out of the two (brown,willis) and talked about how we still need to sign some linebackers,and defensive end.
imo campbell,fincher would get vin min deals. daniels also. kendall would probably cost a million but if you sign brown or willis then you can draft
1st-lb or de 3rd-opposite of 1st 5th-a center like shipley then in the 6th-bpa at ol/dl/lb 7th rd possible comp-let morrroco work his magic.
it scares me we have 3 Major needs and an idiot who can probably only draft us 2 starters if hes lucky on the 3rd round pick

we wont need nearly as much if we trade down a few times..lol

[BurgundyNGold]

The same idiots drafted Chris Horton...

IDK how they did that...
Even a blind mouse finds the occasional crumb of cheese. ;)

[NCskinsfanatic]

Jlcs blog said we are roughly 7 million under the cap. we need 3 million to sign rookies. he talked like we were mulling over the best option out of the two (brown,willis) and talked about how we still need to sign some linebackers,and defensive end.
imo campbell,fincher would get vin min deals. daniels also. kendall would probably cost a million but if you sign brown or willis then you can draft
1st-lb or de 3rd-opposite of 1st 5th-a center like shipley then in the 6th-bpa at ol/dl/lb 7th rd possible comp-let morrroco work his magic.
it scares me we have 3 Major needs and an idiot who can probably only draft us 2 starters if hes lucky on the 3rd round pick

Warpath and Hogshaven both have us at 10-11 million and I'd trust either of them before I did JC. The reality is we're probaly at 10 or just under...JLC is usually wrong or late about most everything...and when he is right he ruins it by being whiny and overly negative.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Even a blind mouse finds the occasional crumb of cheese. ;)

We ended up with Horton because he was highly recommended bu our former DB coach that is now with UCLA. That and that alone explains why we hit on that pick lol.

[BurgundyNGold]

We ended up with Horton because he was highly recommended bu our former DB coach that is now with UCLA. That and that alone explains why we hit on that pick lol.
Well, then I guess somewhat reshuffles the deck on the whole finding cheese thing, lol.

[shally]

Warpath and Hogshaven both have us at 10-11 million and I'd trust either of them before I did JC. The reality is we're probaly at 10 or just under...JLC is usually wrong or late about most everything...and when he is right he ruins it by being whiny and overly negative.


either way, we are dithering when it comes to OL reserves and doing absolutely nothing about the LB's

there is clearly no rush to sign someone like daniels or wynn.. but the young OLmen will gwet picked off

if we had 12 picks like philly, i wouldnt be worrying at all. but with 4 we arent exactly sitting pretty.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Well, then I guess somewhat reshuffles the deck on the whole finding cheese thing, lol.

yep...Vinnys still a blind mouse.

[NCskinsfanatic]

either way, we are dithering when it comes to OL reserves and doing absolutely nothing about the LB's

there is clearly no rush to sign someone like daniels or wynn.. but the young OLmen will gwet picked off

if we had 12 picks like philly, i wouldnt be worrying at all. but with 4 we arent exactly sitting pretty.

Agreed, I think they've decided to now show patience because the funds are limited but by doing so we'll likely end up sifting through post draft vets to fill key roles...such is the life of a skins fan lol.

[shally]

Agreed, I think they've decided to now show patience because the funds are limited but by doing so we'll likely end up sifting through post draft vets to fill key roles...such is the life of a skins fan lol.

i guess if they feel these guys are no better than guys like heyer or clark, there is no reason to hurry and sign them ??

and there seems to be no rush anywhere else for them...

[hogs86]

Willis Picks Seahawks Over Redskins
Jason Reid checks in with this bit of news...

Guard/tackle Ray Willis, the Redskins' top free agent target to play right tackle, has re-signed with the Seattle Seahawks, a league source said.

Willis chose to return to Seattle instead of accepting the Redskins' free agent offer.

The Redskins are now expected to pursue Arizona guard/tackle Elton Brown.

[Red Bear]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/willis_picks_seahawks_over_red.html

link for that =]

[Luis Landa]

Kahliff Brown also backed away from his deal with the Raiders he is expected to visit Redskins Park.

[shally]

Kahliff Brown also backed away from his deal with the Raiders he is expected to visit Redskins Park.

where did you see that ? i thought he was signed, sealed, delivered, i'm yours....(sorry, been playing too much guitar lately, lol)

maybe that is why the skins were holding out on signing Brown ? supposedly they offered Willis a deal, but i dont see them breaking the bank for Barnes, who will clearly be looking for starter Right tackle money.

since we cant cut Jansen, it would mean the end of heyer.

the question you have to ask yourself is WHY would Jax let their STARTING right tackle walk ?

edit : actually he was their starting LEFT tackle

[shally]

okay, this is what i can find..

nowhere on any of the usual sites could i find any reference to Barnes.. but on the CBCsports.com site there is a long 5 page thread from today running from before noon to about 1 AM.. this is the Raiders fan site there...

the content starts out by saying that khalif barnes was signed today. he is a LEFT tackle and at oakland he was expected to play Left tackle and replace the departed Kwame Harris.. the ink was supposed to be dry on the contract and there was general joy among the oakland fans because they need a left tackle inthe worst way..otherwise, drafting at 7 (i believe) their first pick would likely be one of the tackles coming out

anyway, around 9 PM some chatter started to develop that maybe the contract wasnt finalized.. they have been negotiating with him for 3 days mind you !!
go al davis (lol).
after that the chatter was that indeed, the talks had possibly fallen apart and barnes was leaving on saturday to see one of 2 unnamed teams. further, that he wouldnt sign with EITHER the raiders or niners, who had both been interested in him..

nowhere was washington mentioned. but he is reportedly going somewhere tomorrow.

bear this in mind, he has played LEFT tackle his career for Jax, but apparently, he can also play Right Tackle. he had pretty good stats his first 3 years and started as a rookie. developed a reputation as a strong run blocker, especially in zone blocking schemes. his last year was a disaster !! he gave up 7.5 sacks himself..
REPEAT.. HE GOT BEAT FOR 7.5 SACKS HIMSELF
but bear in mind the entire JAX offensive line was a disaster area. the lost 4 or 5 players to IR, with 3 by the start of game 1.
still, Jax did not re sign him..

so the questions remain:
will he play Right Tackle ?
How good is he?
Did he have an off year, or is he deteriorating ?
Can we afford him if he is looking for starting tackle money, either left or right ?
is he even coming here ?

[Gravy]

where did you see that ? i thought he was signed, sealed, delivered, i'm yours....(sorry, been playing too much guitar lately, lol)

maybe that is why the skins were holding out on signing Brown ? supposedly they offered Willis a deal, but i dont see them breaking the bank for Barnes, who will clearly be looking for starter Right tackle money.

since we cant cut Jansen, it would mean the end of heyer.

the question you have to ask yourself is WHY would Jax let their STARTING right tackle walk ?

edit : actually he was their starting LEFT tackle

...Shally from one old school rocker to the next...never apologize for rockin' out to Stevie Wonder...maybe Barnes is the guy they wanted and this is where their cap money comes in...just maybe but I thought that Barnes had already signed with the Raiders...

[shally]

...Shally from one old school rocker to the next...never apologize for rockin' out to Stevie Wonder...maybe Barnes is the guy they wanted and this is where their cap money comes in...just maybe but I thought that Barnes had already signed with the Raiders...

so did most of the raider fans...lol... they were not a very happy bunch of campers

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

so did most of the raider fans...lol... they were not a very happy bunch of campers

He's got that mean streak...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0uI7OV8_zg

[Gravy]

I give up...I am not even going to try to speculate what The DaVinny Code is going to do or try to do...

[Redskin4Life]

KFFL is reporting that Khalif Barnes is going to sign with another team other than the Raiders.... maybe us?

[shally]

KFFL is reporting that Khalif Barnes is going to sign with another team other than the Raiders.... maybe us?

i think kffl is just repeated what was posted last night at the other site

[Jon Creveling]

bear this in mind, he has played LEFT tackle his career for Jax, but apparently, he can also play Right Tackle. he had pretty good stats his first 3 years and started as a rookie. developed a reputation as a strong run blocker, especially in zone blocking schemes. his last year was a disaster !! he gave up 7.5 sacks himself..
REPEAT.. HE GOT BEAT FOR 7.5 SACKS HIMSELF
but bear in mind the entire JAX offensive line was a disaster area. the lost 4 or 5 players to IR, with 3 by the start of game 1.
still, Jax did not re sign him

Shally thanks for the work on your scouting report!:)

But man it sounds more like a WARNING LABEL than anything!

If the guy was coming in on a hot streak well yes it may be a good move, but with reports of the guy in a spiral not interested. I have a hard time seeing Bugel catch the guy before he hits the floor. I'd wait on Runyan before this guy.

[Red Bear]

i dont think it would mean the end of heyer if we were to sign barnes. that would give us 4 tackles with starting experience, plus heyer comes cheap.

[shally]

Shally thanks for the work on your scouting report!:)

But man it sounds more like a WARNING LABEL than anything!

If the guy was coming in on a hot streak well yes it may be a good move, but with reports of the guy in a spiral not interested. I have a hard time seeing Bugel catch the guy before he hits the floor. I'd wait on Runyan before this guy.

or Tra Thomas, who doesnt have runyon's injury/surgery history

[shally]

i dont think it would mean the end of heyer if we were to sign barnes. that would give us 4 tackles with starting experience, plus heyer comes cheap.

i dont know.. i think clark will give heyer competition for a spot this year, and he will be even cheaper..
plus i think we draft a T somewhere in the draft this year.. even a second day pick may have the edge over heyer..

[jaylen]

i dont know.. i think clark will give heyer competition for a spot this year, and he will be even cheaper..
plus i think we draft a T somewhere in the draft this year.. even a second day pick may have the edge over heyer..

heyer isn't that bad at all. We could get by with him starting this year if he could stay healthy..

[shally]

heyer isn't that bad at all. We could get by with him starting this year if he could stay healthy..

he is inconsistent.. and he got hurt..if we sign someone like barnes, i am not sure that heyer survives this year...

[NCskinsfanatic]

http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/Mar/08/confirmed-no-willis-brown-redskins/

So Brown didnt visit then and Willis did get an offer that he declined and we have 0 visits lined up...spectacular Vinny.

[shally]

http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/Mar/08/confirmed-no-willis-brown-redskins/

So Brown didnt visit then and Willis did get an offer that he declined and we have 0 visits lined up...spectacular Vinny.

UGH !!!

and since it is elfin, and not JLC, i would tend to give it more credibility.

just disgusting

[Tha Boss Hogg]

UGH !!!

and since it is elfin, and not JLC, i would tend to give it more credibility.

just disgusting

lol, I can't wait for this season to come, If we fall on our faces at least there will be a house sweep of those jackasses...

:niceday:

[NCskinsfanatic]

UGH !!!

and since it is elfin, and not JLC, i would tend to give it more credibility.

just disgusting

sad but true doc...
lol, I can't wait for this season to come, If we fall on our faces at least there will be a house sweep of those jackasses...

:niceday:

it may be our only hope...

[whitskins]

Elton Brown is a nothing. Why do we care about signing him? I'd rather have Pete Kendall back. At least he's a career starter who has always done his job here.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that we draft OT at #13 unless something shocking happens.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Elton Brown is a nothing. Why do we care about signing him? I'd rather have Pete Kendall back. At least he's a career starter who has always done his job here.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that we draft OT at #13 unless something shocking happens.

I liked Willis better than Brown and agree kendall gives us depth and versatility at G/C. Hell while we're bringing back Daniels and possibly Pete we might as well bring back Marcus because our LB corp is pitiful right now. Even moreso than the RT situation imo.

[shally]

Elton Brown is a nothing. Why do we care about signing him? I'd rather have Pete Kendall back. At least he's a career starter who has always done his job here.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that we draft OT at #13 unless something shocking happens.

maybe, but we have an even bigger hole at OLB

we have old at RT now.. we have nothing at SLB

[shally]

I liked Willis better than Brown and agree kendall gives us depth and versatility at G/C. Hell while we're bringing back Daniels and possibly Pete we might as well bring back Marcus because our LB corp is pitiful right now. Even moreso than the RT situation imo.

sorry, but MW is totally spent physically.. he has ZERO explosiveness left..
and i cannt stand one more sight of him dancing after he gave up a 13 yard gain on third and 12...

[whitskins]

maybe, but we have an even bigger hole at OLB

we have old at RT now.. we have nothing at SLB

I disagree. RT is by far our biggest need IMO. That spot killed our offense last year. No way can Jansen go back to starting at that spot, he's finished. Heyer is a decent backup and nothing more.

Our offense was easily our biggest problem last year and that unit isn't going to take a significant step forward unless we get a stud to play RT. If Andre Smith falls to us, he could be a dominant player there and our offense could take a huge leap.

An OLB is hardly going to make that kind of difference. We played there with a broken-down Marcus Washington and an undersized HB Blades and that spot didn't hurt us nearly as badly as RT did.

I'd love to see Big Rey wearing the B&G for ten years, but we need a new RT much more. That spot is the key to improving the Achilles heel of our team that has been so frustrating for the last 10 years.

[NCskinsfanatic]

sorry, but MW is totally spent physically.. he has ZERO explosiveness left..
and i cannt stand one more sight of him dancing after he gave up a 13 yard gain on third and 12...

C'mon shally you love the dance, admit it lol. Hes as good as Warrick Holdman...that should be more than enough for Blache to convince himself of it ;)

[CarMike]

He's got that mean streak...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0uI7OV8_zg

lol, always racism...no thanks. I'll pass on this idiot.

[shally]

I disagree. RT is by far our biggest need IMO. That spot killed our offense last year. No way can Jansen go back to starting at that spot, he's finished. Heyer is a decent backup and nothing more.

Our offense was easily our biggest problem last year and that unit isn't going to take a significant step forward unless we get a stud to play RT. If Andre Smith falls to us, he could be a dominant player there and our offense could take a huge leap.

An OLB is hardly going to make that kind of difference. We played there with a broken-down Marcus Washington and an undersized HB Blades and that spot didn't hurt us nearly as badly as RT did.

I'd love to see Big Rey wearing the B&G for ten years, but we need a new RT much more. That spot is the key to improving the Achilles heel of our team that has been so frustrating for the last 10 years.

humbly disagree.. we have taken steps to help out the o line. YES, i agree about taking a RT in the draft, but i think the impact of Dockery will be felt all along the OL..plus, with another year, i think Heyer is servicable...

broken down marcus and blades were sitting ducks for every tight end we played they also failed to hold the point on sweep after sweep .. that stuff contributed to our 4th quarter flame outs against dallas, bmore, cincy and the niners.

you can get by with below average LB play.. you cant get by with Failing LB play

i can live with pickups of crowell, or june and a late round lb draft pick.. but we simply CANNOT get by with what we have onthe roster right now

[shally]

C'mon shally you love the dance, admit it lol. Hes as good as Warrick Holdman...that should be more than enough for Blache to convince himself of it ;)

yeah, marcus = holdman..... with better personality, lol

[whitskins]

humbly disagree.. we have taken steps to help out the o line. YES, i agree about taking a RT in the draft, but i think the impact of Dockery will be felt all along the OL..plus, with another year, i think Heyer is servicable...

broken down marcus and blades were sitting ducks for every tight end we played they also failed to hold the point on sweep after sweep .. that stuff contributed to our 4th quarter flame outs against dallas, bmore, cincy and the niners.

you can get by with below average LB play.. you cant get by with Failing LB play

i can live with pickups of crowell, or june and a late round lb draft pick.. but we simply CANNOT get by with what we have onthe roster right now

Dock is a nice start, but Kendall was pretty good the last two years. It is RT that is the big festering wound on this OL and it's been that way for quite some time now. We desperately need someone who can play there for the next five years, minimum.

Heyer was serviceable in pass pro and I thought he actually looked pretty solid filling in for Chris at LT, but we could never run the ball consistently on the right side with him in there. We basically gave up the run on that side of the field with Heyer. And CP still ran for 1400+. If we get Andre Smith on that side, we'll dominate the ground in the same way that Carolina did once they got Otah.

LB would probably be the safest pick at #13, so I could swallow it b/c I think if we end up with Rey or Cushing, they'll be here a long time with little bust potential. But we're never going to take the next step unless this offense gets in gear.

[skinsfan36]

yeah, marcus = holdman..... with better personality, lol

lol marcus can still sniff the qb.holdman would be lucky to sniff gym socks.

i heard a rumor that brown may not of visited but vinnys been trying to work something out on the phone. when vinny moves his mouth hes lieing.

it sucks that we have no visits lined up there are guys out there we could get for cheap in this second wave like

LB-DD lewis(may come here if promised to compete for SLB),Tyjuan hagler,Jamie winborn,morlon greenwood

DE-Ebenezer Ekuban(had 5 sacks last year but is 33),Josh Thomas(plays the run well and is 28 not 36),micheal montgomery(is 26 so may cost some cash)

CB-sam madison,patrick surtain

right tackle seems like our #1 pick to me

[shally]

lol marcus can still sniff the qb.holdman would be lucky to sniff gym socks.

i heard a rumor that brown may not of visited but vinnys been trying to work something out on the phone. when vinny moves his mouth hes lieing.

it sucks that we have no visits lined up there are guys out there we could get for cheap in this second wave like

LB-DD lewis(may come here if promised to compete for SLB),Tyjuan hagler,Jamie winborn,morlon greenwood

DE-Ebenezer Ekuban(had 5 sacks last year but is 33),Josh Thomas(plays the run well and is 28 not 36),micheal montgomery(is 26 so may cost some cash)

CB-sam madison,patrick surtain

right tackle seems like our #1 pick to me

right now the pace of signings has slowed to a snail's pace all around the league

i think a lot of players are going to have to re-adjust their demands downward
if they want to have any chance of getting signed.. if they dont by draft time, it will get grim because a lot of teams will have UDCFA's to try out, and then there is the post draft cuts.. we wont have all the June 1 cuts coming as i years past, but there will be some

the next 2 weeks are when guys want to get signed.. otherwise, they are relegated to waiting for someone to get injured in camp..

i think the skins, among other teams are playing hardball now.. or as they say in real estate..a cram-down...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Anybody heard about Angelo, I hope Tampa Bay doesn't offer him...

[shally]

Anybody heard about Angelo, I hope Tampa Bay doesn't offer him...

i dont get the feeling we are interested either way...

[Jon Creveling]

Dock is a nice start, but Kendall was pretty good the last two years. It is RT that is the big festering wound on this OL and it's been that way for quite some time now. We desperately need someone who can play there for the next five years, minimum.

Heyer was serviceable in pass pro and I thought he actually looked pretty solid filling in for Chris at LT, but we could never run the ball consistently on the right side with him in there. We basically gave up the run on that side of the field with Heyer. And CP still ran for 1400+. If we get Andre Smith on that side, we'll dominate the ground in the same way that Carolina did once they got Otah.

The little things that Pete brought to the table at LG can be offset by Derrick because while younger and healthier, he's not coming in with Pete's head...........Pete while playing with the knees, knew who and when to block, moved up field better than both Casey and Randy and had what? Maybe 2 penalties in 2 years?

I hope D-Dock comes in and starts to play at a higher level than he did in Buff. While not against the move on Derrick I'm not overly excited about it either because I've seen him play in Buff. Had false hope that Bugel would have got Rinehart into a starting position that just may have included a nice combo of youth/brawn, but with a head for the game like Pete.

Agree 1000 times over that the mess at RT has realy put a damper on things, not just last year either, Jansen in my opinion has been slowly sliding since Spurriers 1st season, that's the last one I can realy recall where he was a very solid player for the complete season.

I don't want patchwork again and would realy love to see this kid Andre fall to us, but that may also rip my guts out if we don't pick him. It's all too damn easy to see them talk themselves out of it and wait on Runyan if he's healthy,,,,,that just sounds like a Vinny/Bugel thing to do.

[VegasSkinsFan]

The little things that Pete brought to the table at LG can be offset by Derrick because while younger and healthier, he's not coming in with Pete's head...........Pete while playing with the knees, knew who and when to block, moved up field better than both Casey and Randy and had what? Maybe 2 penalties in 2 years?

I hope D-Dock comes in and starts to play at a higher level than he did in Buff. While not against the move on Derrick I'm not overly excited about it either because I've seen him play in Buff. Had false hope that Bugel would have got Rinehart into a starting position that just may have included a nice combo of youth/brawn, but with a head for the game like Pete.

Agree 1000 times over that the mess at RT has realy put a damper on things, not just last year either, Jansen in my opinion has been slowly sliding since Spurriers 1st season, that's the last one I can realy recall where he was a very solid player for the complete season.

I don't want patchwork again and would realy love to see this kid Andre fall to us, but that may also rip my guts out if we don't pick him. It's all too damn easy to see them talk themselves out of it and wait on Runyan if he's healthy,,,,,that just sounds like a Vinny/Bugel thing to do.

Thats how i see it also. I think the FO has their sights on 3 guys....Smith, Orakpo and Malauluga. Using Orakpo at LB...which kind of makes sense if in front of him are AH and PD. If all 3 are gone, i see them looking for a vet cut like runyan...wish they had gotten thomas though, it would have given them a few more options. gonna be interesting either way.

[JsMaViSd]

What about coverting DD into a Right Tackle? Think that would be possible?

[VegasSkinsFan]

What about coverting DD into a Right Tackle? Think that would be possible?

Doubt it...the interview with Bugel makes it seem like he is excited to have beef in the middle of the oline. That is another reason i wouldnt lose it if we traded down and picked up Alex Mack for G/C. GO SKINS !!!!

[shally]

What about coverting DD into a Right Tackle? Think that would be possible?

no.. he played LT in college and wasnt strong enough or quick enough.. leave him where he is effective

[Jon Creveling]

What about coverting DD into a Right Tackle? Think that would be possible?

If there was a will there's a way,,but it's not in the player who better become an grade-A guard first and secondly despite all the rah-rah dirtbags crap can Bugel pull it off?

You would think with his college play we would get much better results at RT in the run game over Jansen and for certain over Heyer who couldn't move you and me off the point.:) On passing plays he has to be better than Jansen, but probably only a notch above Heyers get in the way, get away with a facemask act.

If you try to move him out side are we prepared to sign Pete for another 2 years until the next o-line coach can get Rinehart up to speed?

[Jon Creveling]

Doubt it...the interview with Bugel makes it seem like he is excited to have beef in the middle of the oline. That is another reason i wouldnt lose it if we traded down and picked up Alex Mack for G/C. GO SKINS !!!!

I toyed with that, drafting Mack, but was thinking about bumping Casey to LG, if Rinehart is truly a bust and Alex is new center.
But as it stands now I'd be stunned if they drafted tackle, I just don't trust em! They'll grab Runyan and wing-it again.