Skins resign Dockery

[akhhorus]

Link (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/27/redskins-keep-spending-add-g-dockery/)


Washington’s wheeling and dealing did not end early Friday; it went into the night. The Redskins reached agreement with former Bills guard Derrick Dockery on a five-year, $26 million deal that included $8.5 in guaranteed money. Combined with the $18.5 in guaranteed money Dockery made from his two years with the Bills, he will have made $27 million guaranteed in three years.


That seems excessive. But low guaranteed cash...

[NCskinsfanatic]

Link (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/27/redskins-keep-spending-add-g-dockery/)



That seems excessive.

Hail yeah boyz and gurls...thats what Im talking about! Now add a lesser OL like Ray Willis and/or a punter and then sit back lookin pretty until draft time. I figured Dock would get 4-5 million per year so It's not too much more than I figured.

[skinsfan36]

Hail yeah boyz and gurls...thats what Im talking about! Now add a lesser OL like Ray Willis and/or a punter and then sit back lookin pretty until draft time. I figured Dock wouuld get 4-5 million per year so It's not too much more than I figured.

glad to have him back but i thought it would be more like 5 years,20 million

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Sweet.

[SkinsKY]

Not too bad. I do like where we are for the most part at this point. We've spent a ton of money, but I think we're set up pretty well for the draft.

[NCskinsfanatic]

glad to have him back but i thought it would be more like 5 years,20 million

So we overpaid a million or so a year probably to keep him from shopping and prolonging things. I think we want who we want and we would like to sign them quickly and turn our focus to the draft.

[Fathead]

Dock came on but I was glad we didn't spend the money that buffalo dropped on him. This seems much better. Him and Samuels had good chemistry too, I hope that returns.


We must be counting on no cap though

[silverspring]

Seems a bit expensive, but at this point it is hard to measure.

Hearing quotes of Samuels' enthusiasm to have dockery back certainly makes this sound sweet. Rhinehart better step up big if he wants a spot

[ClubSandwichGuy]

I still have no idea where we find the money for this, but I like it. One more O-lineman (hopefully someone from the draft) and we will seriously compete for the NFC East title. I just hope we don't end up like the Jets last year.

[remaxjon]

good news

who gets cut to free up the money?

[VegasSkinsFan]

Hail yeah boyz and gurls...thats what Im talking about! Now add a lesser OL like Ray Willis and/or a punter and then sit back lookin pretty until draft time. I figured Dock would get 4-5 million per year so It's not too much more than I figured.

Love the moves so far...would really like to see us drop back in the draft and get the LB we need and 2 more OL guys. Screw a punter....with our d, no one will move on us and on offense we just use all 4 downs...sarcasm. Welcome back DD GO SKINS !!!!

[silverspring]

So i can only assume this means Pete Kendall is definitely gone

[skinsfan36]

good news

who gets cut to free up the money?

i think thomas will restructure,and someone else.

[AliBabba]

Link (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/27/redskins-keep-spending-add-g-dockery/)



That seems excessive. But low guaranteed cash...

Great day

:banger::banger:

[VegasSkinsFan]

So i can only assume this means Pete Kendall is definitely gone

Maybe...i like Kendall, but it really is time for a youth movement. The big IF is...can rhinehart and clark step up, and if we can add an oher/smith early and an unger/shipley later....now our old oline will look really young. Not talking about money....we really have to be pleased with the moves made...they have addressed the things we have complained about. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

[bigcmr]

Great news I like this pick up.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Maybe...i like Kendall, but it really is time for a youth movement. The big IF is...can rhinehart and clark step up, and if we can add an oher/smith early and an unger/shipley later....now our old oline will look really young. Not talking about money....we really have to be pleased with the moves made...they have addressed the things we have complained about. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

Kendalls not a bad option at backup G/C if he'll sign for cheap enough. He's probably only looking for one year and Heyer,Rhinehart and Clark help add more youthful depth behind the starters..

[skinsfan36]

Maybe...i like Kendall, but it really is time for a youth movement. The big IF is...can rhinehart and clark step up, and if we can add an oher/smith early and an unger/shipley later....now our old oline will look really young. Not talking about money....we really have to be pleased with the moves made...they have addressed the things we have complained about. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

like what your saying but clark is probably destined for the practice squad.

samuels,dockery,rabach,thomas,draft pick. back ups jansen,heyer,rinehart,drafted center?

[Redskinmayhem]

So i can only assume this means Pete Kendall is definitely gone

No, I heard they were going to try him out at WR....hey, he can't be any worse than what we curretly have right?:smash:

[Fathead]

Maybe Dock will be smart enough not to think he's a running back and won't try to run with the ball (Stupid Kendall, I'm still pissed about that)

[silverspring]

Kendalls not a bad option at backup G/C if he'll sign for cheap enough. He's probably only looking for one year and Heyer,Rhinehart and Clark help add more youthful depth behind the starters..

We only have so many roster spots for oline though. I assume we are going to draft oline as well. I think it is time for youth.

[Redskinmayhem]

well we clamored for an upgrade on the lines. Assuming we get one more young hungry guy for the Oline- even just for depth, I think we've done that...but at what cost. We still ned a OLB and a pass rusher and more Oline depth in the draft...

[Red Bear]

Seems a bit expensive, but at this point it is hard to measure.

Hearing quotes of Samuels' enthusiasm to have dockery back certainly makes this sound sweet. Rhinehart better step up big if he wants a spot

rinehart will have a spot on the team, but i doubt he will be starting or even competing to start. with dockery back he needs to learn to play on the right side now, maybe a potential replacement for randy thomas. i still think we need a new right tackle as well. we should go after that willis guy if we have room, he should come cheap. if nothing else he could push heyer and jansen. i think our first round pick is most likely to be used on a LB now to replace marcus washington, with DE also a possibility.

[akhhorus]

If this ends up being a 3 years-14 million dollar deal so that rinehart(or another young OG) can learn, then its a good deal. We know what Dockery is and will be.

[NCskinsfanatic]

We only have so many roster spots for oline though. I assume we are going to draft oline as well. I think it is time for youth.

True but if they dont plan on adding a T really early and target OLB, then the guys they draft may be worthy (or not) of beating out Heyer, Rhinehart or Clark for those precious spots. Im not saying we should be set on Keeping Kendall but if we cant trade back and go OLB at 13 then the guy in the third round may or may not be an upgrade over what we have in the younger OL guys anyway. With our moves so far imo you can rest assured we'll be looking best player available after the first round....like it or not.

[silverspring]

rinehart will have a spot on the team, but i doubt he will be starting or even competing to start. with dockery back he needs to learn to play on the right side now, maybe a potential replacement for randy thomas. i still think we need a new right tackle as well. we should go after that willis guy if we have room, he should come cheap. if nothing else he could push heyer and jansen. i think our first round pick is most likely to be used on a LB now to replace marcus washington, with DE also a possibility.

Weren't they talking up the idea to move Jason Taylor to linebacker? We still could draft smith and make him right tackle although i think it is a mistake.

[lorimike]

Good to have Dockery back. The money is a bit much but the 8.5 guaranteed isn't too bad. At least Dock can practice during the week unlike Kendall.

[VegasSkinsFan]

If this ends up being a 3 years-14 million dollar deal so that rinehart(or another young OG) can learn, then its a good deal. We know what Dockery is and will be.

Illegal procedure on the offense, repeat first down :smash:

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

i think thomas will restructure,and someone else.

Taylor should offer to restructure himself.

[silverspring]

Taylor should offer to restructure himself.

Restructuring implies we will be keeping him for more then next year. First of all he might be ready for retirement, secondly why would we want to commit more years to him?

[NCskinsfanatic]

Taylor should offer to restructure himself.

As should Smoot at 4 million...

[Red Bear]

well we clamored for an upgrade on the lines. Assuming we get one more young hungry guy for the Oline- even just for depth, I think we've done that...but at what cost. We still ned a OLB and a pass rusher and more Oline depth in the draft...

i think the theory is that haynesworth would make our DEs/team better in the pass rush dept. too many times ive seen our DEs force the QB to step up in the pocket and the QB completes a clutch pass. with haynesworth getting penetration for us, the QB wont be able to step up and we should get more sacks/pressures/bad throws. atleast thats how i hope it works.

i do agree we need another olineman, preferably a tackle. i think we would be fine with bringing back geisinger with a minimum deal to back up rabach again this year, and address center in 2010 if rabach regresses and/or geisinger shows us nothing. i think things are pointing to us drafting a LBer in the first round this year.

[Chief Seeway]

We've upgraded both lines in less than 24 hours.

[skinsfan36]

Restructuring implies we will be keeping him for more then next year. First of all he might be ready for retirement, secondly why would we want to commit more years to him?

if hes not why not extend him with say 09 cap hit 4 million and 2010 cap hit 6 million(if no cap)

[silverspring]

if hes not why not extend him with say 09 cap hit 4 million and 2010 cap hit 6 million(if no cap)

Because he is getting older and at this point has produced anything impressive and I would rather cut him completely and draft a DE and invest that money into youth.

[Red Bear]

Weren't they talking up the idea to move Jason Taylor to linebacker? We still could draft smith and make him right tackle although i think it is a mistake.

they said they might move him there in certain situations, but i dont think it would be fulltime. just to move him around and put him in different pass rush situations to utilize him better

[skinsfan36]

Because he is getting older and at this point has produced anything impressive and I would rather cut him completely and draft a DE and invest that money into youth.

because if healthy he gets double digit sacks playing next to haynesworth

[BandWagon]

Did we offer him a deal when he left? I seem to recall that we didn't try. If we did I'd love to know how this deal compares to what we offered before.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Glad to see Dock back. At $5m+ per year is a little rich ($3-4M is more like it). Sure helps our line and if he gets the magic with Samuels. At least this signing is a little more reasonable.

[3644Skins]

We've upgraded both lines in less than 24 hours.


I would like to think that but I heard/read Dock was horrible this past season in Buffalo, and while he was here he was always good for a false start. Kendall may have bad knees but he was solid all season long. As far as Haynesworth, do we have the players that can win one-on-one situations while he's being double teamed? I don't think we do.

[skinsfan36]

Did we offer him a deal when he left? I seem to recall that we didn't try. If we did I'd love to know how this deal compares to what we offered before.

we did offer him one.how much idk

[shally]

Link (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/27/redskins-keep-spending-add-g-dockery/)



That seems excessive. But low guaranteed cash...

yes, but it clears the problem of age on the O line somewhat.. he is young and healthy and with Chris next to him, i expect some improvement

[shally]

So i can only assume this means Pete Kendall is definitely gone

agree.. thanks, pete...

[akhhorus]

More detail from JLC:

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/dockery_agrees_to_deal_with_sk.html)

$11.5 million paid over the first two years, according to a league source

So, its heavily backloaded, and the skins probably won't pay him half of it.

[LaVarLeap]

Hi everyone,


I am a lifelong Redskin fan and I am sick and tired how Snyder gets bashed in the media all the time. I believe from the very beginning his moves have been the best they could have been at the time he made them,he has just had no luck. I truly hope this is finally the time when all the moves pan out for us but if not my gripe is not with Snyder, he is actually throwing money to lower the cap hits every single year (thats the only way we have not hit cap hell like so many have predicted since we got George,Smith,Sanders,Carrier etc.)
Congratulations to him and the front office for making all the right moves and hopefully this time they will be as good on the field as they feel good in February/March.


Go Skins

[shally]

More detail from JLC:

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/dockery_agrees_to_deal_with_sk.html)



So, its heavily backloaded, and the skins probably won't pay him half of it.

right.. or they re do it, if he looks to be the long term answer.. gives reinhart 1-2 years to make his move

[lorimike]

Hi everyone,


I am a lifelong Redskin fan and I am sick and tired how Snyder gets bashed in the media all the time. I believe from the very beginning his moves have been the best they could have been at the time he made them,he has just had no luck. I truly hope this is finally the time when all the moves pan out for us but if not my gripe is not with Snyder, he is actually throwing money to lower the cap hits every single year (thats the only way we have not hit cap hell like so many have predicted since we got George,Smith,Sanders,Carrier etc.)
Congratulations to him and the front office for making all the right moves and hopefully this time they will be as good on the field as they feel good in February/March.

To a degree I am with you. Snyder wants to win in the worst way. and he has had some bad luck. Lets hope this all works out. I think it will hinge more on how much Jason Campbell improves than anthing else. If it gets no better though it is probably the end of Zorn and Campbell here in DC and we'll be back rebuilding next year except we'll have this 100 million dollar albatross ( Haynesworth) that will hamstring our cap situation.

[skinsfan36]

More detail from JLC:

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/dockery_agrees_to_deal_with_sk.html)



So, its heavily backloaded, and the skins probably won't pay him half of it.

lol good job by the bills botching the trade. thanks wilson

[Fathead]

we did offer him one.how much idk

I believe we negotiated but when the bills threw $$$ at him we passed. The bills way overspent.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Sweet. I think this deal is in line w/the going rate of lineman. The bar has clearly been raised so I'm alright w/the money. Next we need a OLB, Jay Feeley and Hunter Smith. Either way we're gonna be straight w/our first pick of the draft (knock on wood).

[skinsfan36]

Sweet. I think this deal is in line w/the going rate of lineman. The bar has clearly been raised so I'm alright w/the money. Next we need a OLB, Jay Feeley and Hunter Smith. Either way we're gonna be straight w/our first pick of the draft (knock on wood).

the guard market rate seem sto have went down this year to modest numbers

[NCskinsfanatic]

lol good job by the bills botching the trade. thanks wilson

Wide right on the paper work and the lions cant catch a break even post Millen lmao.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Out of the three deals, this is the one I like the best. Dockery fills a big need and the price is right assuming he hasn't totally fallen off as a player.

[Skins57]

even if people say we are overspending we are atleast upgrading the lines with guys in thier prime and not over the hill

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I like this move. Dock is better than Kendall over 16 games. Kendall was very good for 8 games last year, and actually mediocre to bad in the second half. Dock will at least play consistently decent for 16. I hope we use our #1on a RT. I don't think OLB is as big a need as others do.

[shally]

Out of the three deals, this is the one I like the best. Dockery fills a big need and the price is right assuming he hasn't totally fallen off as a player.

between Buges and Samuels i expect they will get Dock to where he needs to be..

got to say, i wouldnt have guessed how much CS would have wanted Dock back.. i thought the chemistry with kendall was solid. maybe not as much as i thought ?? or maybe CS just figured that kendall was finished here ?

[shally]

I like this move. Dock is better than Kendall over 16 games. Kendall was very good for 8 games last year, and actually mediocre to bad in the second half. Dock will at least play consistently decent for 16. I hope we use our #1on a RT. I don't think OLB is as big a need as others do.

as long as Rocky's knees hold up, we can get by.. but other than that we really only have a bunch of special teamers posing as linebackers.. even blades is marginal on either side and is a total liability against most tight ends.. he gives up more than a foot in height to Witten.. that is just simply not going to work

[hogs86]

I tell you what. The redskins hit a home run via FA. Excuse Me Lady ...I have a little beer buzzz going. Some people may be standing on my Root" ... If typing is your thing, it is not for me, But we have gone from 8/8 team in 24hrs to a true contender. We signed the best d-line in football and maybe a top 10 DB in football. What a durn good 24hrs. Hats off to Dan and Vinny !!

[The Skinsinator]

Great news! I don't know how they afford these contracts but I'm beyond thinking about it. Super run blocker and still in his 20s what a concept?!?!

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

as long as Rocky's knees hold up, we can get by.. but other than that we really only have a bunch of special teamers posing as linebackers.. even blades is marginal on either side and is a total liability against most tight ends.. he gives up more than a foot in height to Witten.. that is just simply not going to work

#13 for #20 & #65... let it happen

[jaylen]

great news now I want one of the USC lb's in the draft. Malauga wouldn't be a bad get at this point at 13.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

great news now I want one of the USC lb's in the draft. Malauga wouldn't be a bad get at this point at 13.
I'd rather have Andre Smith or Michael Oher. The O-line is crucial, and I don't think this one signing solves the problems. We were a good (not great) defense last year, and I think Hall and Haynesworth have us in a pretty good position. IMO we still desperately need a young offensive lineman.

[jaylen]

I'd rather have Andre Smith or Michael Oher. The O-line is crucial, and I don't think this one signing solves the problems. We were a good (not great) defense last year, and I think Hall and Haynesworth have us in a pretty good position. IMO we still desperately need a young offensive lineman.

I would agree Smith was a beast on tape but unless Samuels does some diggin and gets the real skinny on the kid I would be hesistant considering he stated he;s outta shape.

Oher doesn't impress me for some reason. and I think we have a linbacker issue we need cleared up. I can be talked into okay grabbing the RT at 13 and a lb in the 3rd rd maybe.

we'll see.

[OCSKINSFAN]

At this point, OLB is the highest priority. Heyer is a decent RT (though an upgrade would certainly be desirable), but we don't have an adequate replacement for Washington.

[shally]

At this point, OLB is the highest priority. Heyer is a decent RT (though an upgrade would certainly be desirable), but we don't have an adequate replacement for Washington.

absolutely correct... i hope we trade down a little and use the first 2 picks for a LB and RT .. in either order

the rest of the draft is depth and ST's

[smoak]

This is great news indeed (considering the relatively low gauranteed money).

But I am disappointed in Akh...

It is, "re-signed" not "resigned". Sigh. I expect better of you... :D

[BurgundyNGold]

Great signing that can provide more immediate benefits that any other signing we could have made at OL. Also, signing Dockery gives us a little more flexibility in the draft. We didn't overspend for once, giving Dockery about what he was probably worth when he left the Redskins in 2007.

[dj_stouty]

Nice! Great pickup. We basically loaned him to Buffalo at an overpriced fee and picked him up 2 years later at a proper price.

I agree that we are a RT and OLB away right now. I personally don't think Oher has the stanima to be a bluechip tackle.

I'd rather go with one of the USC LBs or take a chance on the kid from Bama....or trade up for the LB from Wake Forest. *ducks and runs* ;)

[AliBabba]

Nice! Great pickup. We basically loaned him to Buffalo at an overpriced fee and picked him up 2 years later at a proper price.

I agree that we are a RT and OLB away right now. I personally don't think Oher has the stanima to be a bluechip tackle.

I'd rather go with one of the USC LBs or take a chance on the kid from Bama....or trade up for the LB from Wake Forest. *ducks and runs* ;)
Why does having Haynesworth all of a sudden make DE no longer a need? I understand how AH's presence will help generate pass rush by pushing the pocket but AC/JT are not exactly a dependable combo. Evans is gone now so we need a DE and I think #13 is just as likely to go for DE as LB or OT ... any of which I'd be fine with btw

Of the 3 needs we have though DE cannot really be addressed in FA or after the 1st round of the draft so #13 for a guy like Orakpo still makes sense to me

[BurgundyNGold]

Why does having Haynesworth all of a sudden make DE no longer a need? I understand how AH's presence will help generate pass rush by pushing the pocket but AC/JT are not exactly a dependable combo. Evans is gone now so we need a DE and I think #13 is just as likely to go for DE as LB or OT ... any of which I'd be fine with btw

Of the 3 needs we have though DE cannot really be addressed in FA or after the 1st round of the draft so #13 for a guy like Orakpo still makes sense to me
I think it's a matter of who is at 13. If Andre Smith is there, I think you have to take him and play him on the right side until Samuels retires. For that matter, if Crabtree falls to 13 (not going to happen), you might find yourself in a Millen position, lol.

Absent those unlikely cases, I'm thinking that we're going to target the best DE/LB available. The trick is to do that without reaching. You might see us trade down about 6-8 spots

[dogfight6]

Good IMO this is the smartist move of the day, a player we know who is not going to break the bank and fills a glaring need.

[AliBabba]

I think it's a matter of who is at 13. If Andre Smith is there, I think you have to take him and play him on the right side until Samuels retires. For that matter, if Crabtree falls to 13 (not going to happen), you might find yourself in a Millen position, lol.

Absent those unlikely cases, I'm thinking that we're going to target the best DE/LB available. The trick is to do that without reaching. You might see us trade down about 6-8 spots
I would be very, very happy with Andre Smith at 13 but I think with so much time b/t now and the draft his stock rises again and he settles in to top 10 grade he deserves.

My only point a/b DE is that its much more difficult to find impact players at that position later in the draft. I don't think we need to absolutely target Orakpo or any other DE for that matter, but given the choice b/t he and a LB not named Curry I'd go DE.

Trade down would be ideal as I think we have to fill all 3 holes with youth in the near future, the ability to grab a T, DE, LB all in the 1st three rounds this year would be terrific.

[smittyskin]

I still have no idea where we find the money for this, but I like it. One more O-lineman (hopefully someone from the draft) and we will seriously compete for the NFC East title. I just hope we don't end up like the Jets last year.

The offseason is officially here. I was waiting for it. :)

[Moe]

So i can only assume this means Pete Kendall is definitely gone

He said he wanted to start, guess he'll see who is interested and we take it from there. Wouldn't mind having him as a backup at all, but he might think otherwise.

[Moe]

I think it's a matter of who is at 13. If Andre Smith is there, I think you have to take him and play him on the right side until Samuels retires. For that matter, if Crabtree falls to 13 (not going to happen), you might find yourself in a Millen position, lol.

Absent those unlikely cases, I'm thinking that we're going to target the best DE/LB available. The trick is to do that without reaching. You might see us trade down about 6-8 spots

Bingo.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

I'd rather have Andre Smith or Michael Oher. The O-line is crucial, and I don't think this one signing solves the problems. We were a good (not great) defense last year, and I think Hall and Haynesworth have us in a pretty good position. IMO we still desperately need a young offensive lineman.

I would agree. I think RT is a bigger concern than OLB right now. I would still trade down and pick up Eben Britton and get a LB in the 3rd. I'm of the opinion that Maualuga wouldn't be a good fit at SLB, but Cushing might. However right now the Skins first pick is between LB and RT, IMO.

[JasonCampbell]

I would agree. I think RT is a bigger concern than OLB right now. I would still trade down and pick up Eben Britton and get a LB in the 3rd. I'm of the opinion that Maualuga wouldn't be a good fit at SLB, but Cushing might. However right now the Skins first pick is between LB and RT, IMO.

What I like about Maualuga is his versatility. When Fletcher is done, he can move to MLB. I'd prefer a tackle at #13, but I wouldn't be upset with Rey.

[Hr fan]

So i can only assume this means Pete Kendall is definitely gone

Vet min since he can play all 3 interior line positions, and was acceptable last year (performance).

[dj_stouty]

Why does having Haynesworth all of a sudden make DE no longer a need? I understand how AH's presence will help generate pass rush by pushing the pocket but AC/JT are not exactly a dependable combo. Evans is gone now so we need a DE and I think #13 is just as likely to go for DE as LB or OT ... any of which I'd be fine with btw

Of the 3 needs we have though DE cannot really be addressed in FA or after the 1st round of the draft so #13 for a guy like Orakpo still makes sense to me

I think Albert will command so much respect that guys like Carter and Taylor will have a much easier time getting to the QB than last season. I feel more comfortable with Taylor/Haynesworth/Griff-rotation/Carter than I do with our LB corp missing a talented SAM LB...or our O-line missing a young talent at RT.

I'm all for getting more DE help, but we just sank a ton of money into the d-line and the O-line & LB corp still needs help. I'd rather use the first rounder on another position and use a later draft pick on DE or get someone after June 1st.

I'm not trying to neglect the DE position...I just feel its priority for need fell a few spots after Fat Albert set foot at Redskins Park.

[BurgundyNGold]

I think Albert will command so much respect that guys like Carter and Taylor will have a much easier time getting to the QB than last season. I feel more comfortable with Taylor/Haynesworth/Griff-rotation/Carter than I do with our LB corp missing a talented SAM LB...or our O-line missing a young talent at RT.

I'm all for getting more DE help, but we just sank a ton of money into the d-line and the O-line & LB corp still needs help. I'd rather use the first rounder on another position and use a later draft pick on DE or get someone after June 1st.

I'm not trying to neglect the DE position...I just feel its priority for need fell a few spots after Fat Albert set foot at Redskins Park.
We've done it the way where we've shoveled oodles of cash and attention at the LB position (Trotter, Arrington, Washington, Armstead, et al) while barely servicing the DL. For once, I'd like to lavish attention on the OL/DL and put LB as a lesser priority and see what happens.

[colkurtz]

I'm glad Dock is back. I see us trading down to get more picks. Also the players get cheaper as you move down. RT, OLB and I even see a possible DE there for the draft.

Money wise I think that players who refuse to restructure may be dropped. If we draft for the OL I wonder if we will keep Jansen.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

I'm glad Dock is back. I see us trading down to get more picks. Also the players get cheaper as you move down. RT, OLB and I even see a possible DE there for the draft.

Money wise I think that players who refuse to restructure may be dropped. If we draft for the OL I wonder if we will keep Jansen.

Completely agree. IMO our priority in the draft should be:
1. RT
2. OLB
3. DE
4. CB (depth)

I still think Jansen stays on the roster in 2009 and is gone after that.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Vet min since he can play all 3 interior line positions, and was acceptable last year (performance).

I think there is a possibility Kendall may get paid decently. He had a very good half of season or so. He just can't do for 16 games any more.

Can he play center?

[VegasSkinsFan]

I'm glad Dock is back. I see us trading down to get more picks. Also the players get cheaper as you move down. RT, OLB and I even see a possible DE there for the draft.

Money wise I think that players who refuse to restructure may be dropped. If we draft for the OL I wonder if we will keep Jansen.

Makes sense, if stinchcomb is still available and we can afford it i wouldnt mind signing him and then trading back later in the first and get a 2nd. In that wishful scenario, and i would draft DE Tyson Jackson , best OLB/ or C's Unger/Shipley , the opposite or just LB/CB. That idea will change by the end of the day though hahah.

[saratogan]

I personally thought losing Dockery was a major factor in our inability to offensively control the ball, convert in critical 3rd downs, and red zone conversions.

I am glad he is back.

But much of what will indicate the success of our offense in the coming year depends upon the coaches opinions of Reinhart, Geisenger, and the U of Md behemoth. The age of our o-line is showing. My hats off to the old guys with what they accomplished last year.

[CNYSkinFan]

I like the signing and the price...but I am still haunted by versions of dockery in space running well and hitting no one lol

[sinskin]

Will we be able to afford a first round RT... especially after what we saw last year in the salaries of first round OL talent....I understand the top 3 get wealthy b ut how much of a drop off from 3 to 20 is it? I would love to know the avg. pay outs in these spots per position.

[Gravy]

Makes sense, if stinchcomb is still available and we can afford it i wouldnt mind signing him and then trading back later in the first and get a 2nd. In that wishful scenario, and i would draft DE Tyson Jackson , best OLB/ or C's Unger/Shipley , the opposite or just LB/CB. That idea will change by the end of the day though hahah.

...That's not a wholly bad scenario but just remember who runs the ship come draft day...:wacky:

[lorimike]

I personally thought losing Dockery was a major factor in our inability to offensively control the ball, convert in critical 3rd downs, and red zone conversions.

I am glad he is back.

But much of what will indicate the success of our offense in the coming year depends upon the coaches opinions of Reinhart, Geisenger, and the U of Md behemoth. The age of our o-line is showing. My hats off to the old guys with what they accomplished last year.

One things is for sure we certainly got a lot bigger on our offensive and defensive line. Replacing the 285 lbs Kendall with the 330 lb Dockery will help us in our running game.

[Gravy]

One things is for sure we certainly got a lot bigger on our offensive and defensive line. Replacing the 285 lbs Kendall with the 330 lb Dockery will help us in our running game.

...a healthy Samuals along side of Dock again does sound good...good signing

[shally]

I like the signing and the price...but I am still haunted by versions of dockery in space running well and hitting no one lol

every now and then he would find a cornerback to obliterate...

[akhhorus]

The Lions had Dockery, but botched it:

Link (http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/bills-lions-bungled-trade-for.html)


According to the Washington Post, the Lions were poised pull off a trade for guard Derrick Dockery, but the paperwork didn't get filed in time.

That said, the account provided by Jason La Canfora of the Post is a bit confusing. He writes that the paperwork didn't make it to the Management Council before 4:00 p.m. EST on Thursday, February 26. But since no trades can happen until the first day of the league year (this year, February 27), nothing could have been done on the 26th.

Another confusing fact is that word of Dockery's release by the Bills broke well before the 4:00 p.m. EST on Thursday.

It's therefore possible that, once the Lions heard that Dockery was being cut, they tried to swing a trade in order to get Dockery before he hit the open market -- and thus could decline a luxury cabin inside the fractured, sunken hull of the Titanic.

If that's the case, the Lions knew what they were doing. Because even though they made a run at signing Dockery once he was free, Dockery took $3.5 million less over the life of the deal to return to D.C.

[JasonCampbell]

The Lions had Dockery, but botched it:

Link (http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/bills-lions-bungled-trade-for.html)

Can't blame Millen for that one.

[koinzx]

Proves thst the Lions are truly hapless.

[The Iceman]

Nice that Dock took 3.5 mil less to return to D.C. Let's just hope that he plays well enough to make us forget about him leaving for a big money deal to begin with.

[shally]

The Lions had Dockery, but botched it:

Link (http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/bills-lions-bungled-trade-for.html)

i think as soon as dockery was cut, feelers were put out to him.. i would bet that samuels called him and told him the skins STILL wanted him.. that he himself still wanted him. it was the comfort level that brought dockery home..

as dockery found out in buffalo, the total amount of the contract is meaningless if the team is not willing to keep you over the life of the contract.. the skins are simply a better fit for him.. over his career, the money will equalize out

[Brit'Skin]

Sorry is this has already been covered but is no one concerned that he was absoloute garbage last year?

Hopefully Buges can get him back to the form he had for us 2 years ago but he was poor for the Bills.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Sorry is this has already been covered but is no one concerned that he was absoloute garbage last year?

Hopefully Buges can get him back to the form he had for us 2 years ago but he was poor for the Bills.
This is why I think we need to draft one of those top 4 OTs in the draft.

[The Iceman]

Sorry is this has already been covered but is no one concerned that he was absoloute garbage last year?

Hopefully Buges can get him back to the form he had for us 2 years ago but he was poor for the Bills.

He wasn't absolute garbage last year. I work with a guy that goes drives from Ohio and goes to every single Bills home game. I talked to him this morning and he said that he was sick to his stomach that the Bills just let DD go. He said that he was one of the better performers on that line and he didn't have much talent around him either. (langston walker, brad butler, and melvin fowler are all trash) Jason Peters was the only guy that pulled his weight and even he regressed.

[Brit'Skin]

He wasn't absolute garbage last year. I work with a guy that goes drives from Ohio and goes to every single Bills home game. I talked to him this morning and he said that he was sick to his stomach that the Bills just let DD go. He said that he was one of the better performers on that line and he didn't have much talent around him either. (langston walker, brad butler, and melvin fowler are all trash) Jason Peters was the only guy that pulled his weight and even he regressed.

Well I had seen very little from him but a Bills fan I had spoke to said he had been poor and he was also statistically one of the worst guards in the league so I guess we will just have to wait and see..

[Biggie]

I'm happy with this move. Not that he's better than Kendall, but he's a lot younger and someone Buges knows how to work with.

[GloryHog]

One things is for sure we certainly got a lot bigger on our offensive and defensive line. Replacing the 285 lbs Kendall with the 330 lb Dockery will help us in our running game.

I'm sure Portis is smiling as well right now. He sees a lot of yards coming over the left side next year.

[AliBabba]

I think Albert will command so much respect that guys like Carter and Taylor will have a much easier time getting to the QB than last season. I feel more comfortable with Taylor/Haynesworth/Griff-rotation/Carter than I do with our LB corp missing a talented SAM LB...or our O-line missing a young talent at RT.

I'm all for getting more DE help, but we just sank a ton of money into the d-line and the O-line & LB corp still needs help. I'd rather use the first rounder on another position and use a later draft pick on DE or get someone after June 1st.

I'm not trying to neglect the DE position...I just feel its priority for need fell a few spots after Fat Albert set foot at Redskins Park.

I'll caveat this with my belief that trading down and getting another pick would be the best situation but that's not always so easy

I'm more comfortable with adding a LB or OT in FA and using the 3rd rounder to address the other. I think that first pick should go to an elite pass rusher who plays next to AH for several years. Taylor should be able to fill in @ OLB this year. However, if a guy like Smith is there @ 13 that's hard to pass up. In that scenario you have to take him and roll the dice with Taylor at DE and pick up a LB in the 3rd I guess.

Hopefully we don't pick up as high as number 13 again anytime soon but in that spot you have the opportunity to grab the kind of pass rusher you can't really get without paying a ton in compensation (via trade or FA). Capable linebackers can be found in later rounds and in most cases you don't want to pay your RT the kind of money #13 will demand.

[shally]

I'll caveat this with my belief that trading down and getting another pick would be the best situation but that's not always so easy

I'm more comfortable with adding a LB or OT in FA and using the 3rd rounder to address the other. I think that first pick should go to an elite pass rusher who plays next to AH for several years. Taylor should be able to fill in @ OLB this year. However, if a guy like Smith is there @ 13 that's hard to pass up. In that scenario you have to take him and roll the dice with Taylor at DE and pick up a LB in the 3rd I guess.

Hopefully we don't pick up as high as number 13 again anytime soon but in that spot you have the opportunity to grab the kind of pass rusher you can't really get without paying a ton in compensation (via trade or FA). Capable linebackers can be found in later rounds and in most cases you don't want to pay your RT the kind of money #13 will demand.

the only flaws i can see in your argument are these:

there really arent any long term solutions at R tackle who are out there. stinchcomb would have been fine, but he resigned with the saints. the rest are guys like willis, who may be no better than heyer, but who will cost more, or older pros like runyon (once he is released) who wont come cheap and who will be at best a 2 year solution.

we can scrape by with Vet FA linebackers, but if there is a long term solution for us at Tackle sitting there when we draft, we better think long and hard about it. it will be cheaper in the long run. grab a guy like Oher or Smith, or even Beatty or Britton and we are likely set.

as for the pass rusher, yes, it would be terrific. you cant have too many of those guys. but count me in the camp of people who have been saying that if you have a dominant player collapsing the middle of the line, it will make those ends much more effective. a lot of people feel that fred robbins was a real uncredited reason behind the emergence of the giant line as a force.... if AH is 70 % of the player we hope him to be, it is going to make carter and taylor and griffin look tremendous.

plus, who knows if we have something in rob jackson or buzbee in the designated role? we might have given up on chris clemons one year too soon.

[AliBabba]

the only flaws i can see in your argument are these:

there really arent any long term solutions at R tackle who are out there. stinchcomb would have been fine, but he resigned with the saints. the rest are guys like willis, who may be no better than heyer, but who will cost more, or older pros like runyon (once he is released) who wont come cheap and who will be at best a 2 year solution.

we can scrape by with Vet FA linebackers, but if there is a long term solution for us at Tackle sitting there when we draft, we better think long and hard about it. it will be cheaper in the long run. grab a guy like Oher or Smith, or even Beatty or Britton and we are likely set.

as for the pass rusher, yes, it would be terrific. you cant have too many of those guys. but count me in the camp of people who have been saying that if you have a dominant player collapsing the middle of the line, it will make those ends much more effective. a lot of people feel that fred robbins was a real uncredited reason behind the emergence of the giant line as a force.... if AH is 70 % of the player we hope him to be, it is going to make carter and taylor and griffin look tremendous.

plus, who knows if we have something in rob jackson or buzbee in the designated role? we might have given up on chris clemons one year too soon.
I said I believe if a guy like Smith (or Oher) is available you gotta pull the trigger. I would be very dissapointed if we reached for Beatty or Britton at no. 13 though. Not to mention how much you'd have to pay that guy to play RT, that is a bad move in my opinion.

You can find a respectable RT in the 3rd round of the draft. In our division alone Kareem McKenzie was a 3rd and Runyan was a 4th.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I said I believe if a guy like Smith (or Oher) is available you gotta pull the trigger. I would be very dissapointed if we reached for Beatty or Britton at no. 13 though. Not to mention how much you'd have to pay that guy to play RT, that is a bad move in my opinion.

You can find a respectable RT in the 3rd round of the draft. In our division alone Kareem McKenzie was a 3rd and Runyan was a 4th.

I say trade down and go OLB in the late 20's. Pick up an additional 3rd go RT and G/C in that round, DE/DT in the 5th and CB in the 6th...any comp picks go ST's.

[AliBabba]

I say trade down and go OLB in the late 20's. Pick up an additional 3rd go RT and G/C in that round, DE/DT in the 5th and CB in the 6th...any comp picks go ST's.
I love the idea of trading down if possible.

I think drafting a DT/DE in the 5th is a waste. We already have several players of that caliber on the roster (Monty, Golston, Jackson, ....)

I think DE should be addressed first unless a T of Oher/Smith's ability is available, in that case you take the guy b/c you have an excellent RT for a few years then an in-house replacement for Samuels thereafter

[jaylen]

If Maybin or Orakpo are there at 13 I would snag them. To me our problems had alot to do with our middle giving up pressure not as much the tackles.

Maybin reminds me of a young Taylor and Orakpo is an offensive stud.

I'm not blown away by this tackle class. Getting an elite pass rusher only aids the field position turnover aspect of the game.

We don't have a young elite one so we should snag one right now at 13.

[shally]

If Maybin or Orakpo are there at 13 I would snag them. To me our problems had alot to do with our middle giving up pressure not as much the tackles.

Maybin reminds me of a young Taylor and Orakpo is an offensive stud.

I'm not blown away by this tackle class. Getting an elite pass rusher only aids the field position turnover aspect of the game.

We don't have a young elite one so we should snag one right now at 13.

cant argue with you too much but if we have the chance to get a R tackle inthe class of samuels that is a no brainer
or
if we can get maulauga who will give us another playmaker on the defense, i would prefer that.

[OCSKINSFAN]

If a top notch RT, LB, or DE is there at 13, I think you make the pick and not trade down, barring an incredible offer. At this point, LB is the biggest need.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

If a top notch RT, LB, or DE is there at 13, I think you make the pick and not trade down, barring an incredible offer. At this point, LB is the biggest need.

I agree. Call me crazy, but I think we are a lot closer now. While I like the idea of getting a couple of players in the draft, with this team as currently constructed, I prefer they pick the definite starter/potential franchise cornerstone with the 13th pick.

[shally]

If a top notch RT, LB, or DE is there at 13, I think you make the pick and not trade down, barring an incredible offer. At this point, LB is the biggest need.

right again.. the only problem as i see it, is value.. i dont believe any of the LB's who will potentially be out there at 13, are worth the 13th pick..except for maulauga.
so do you force a pick on laurantitis (no way) or cushing (ahhhh..probably, not)
or matthews (????) to get the position player you want ? the next group including the guy out of virginia are second rounders.

trade down. pick up an extra pick or two.. or take the best player from O line players then..

orakpo might be the only guy from the defensive line i would think about. but he will be no more than a role player in 2009.. whereas one of the LB's could be starting quickly
unless the front office and coaches see orakpo as a SLB..

[colkurtz]

BL is that we need to get a starter for our first pick. Someone who can play from the first game. Personally I'd like to go for the OL but if Cerrato and Zorn used that pick for the DL I'd be just as happy. Learning along with Samuels and AH would make them good players from the start.

Both of our lines have old players and they simply have to be replaced starting this season.

I think the team will trade down - given any offer so they can have more chances; and to get cheaper players. I also wonder if Vinny has the confidence in his selection ability in the draft.

We need a good draft this year to get younger, bring down our costs and replace the players on the end of their playing careers. NO DRAFT PICKS WITH KNOWN INJURIES!

[shally]

BL is that we need to get a starter for our first pick. Someone who can play from the first game. Personally I'd like to go for the OL but if Cerrato and Zorn used that pick for the DL I'd be just as happy. Learning along with Samuels and AH would make them good players from the start.

Both of our lines have old players and they simply have to be replaced starting this season.

I think the team will trade down - given any offer so they can have more chances; and to get cheaper players. I also wonder if Vinny has the confidence in his selection ability in the draft.

We need a good draft this year to get younger, bring down our costs and replace the players on the end of their playing careers. NO DRAFT PICKS WITH KNOWN INJURIES!

i think that either maulauga or cushing would likely start almost from the beginning (maulauga would play SLB for a year at least)

no way any DL starts over taylor or carter.. but they would get used for sure in a designated role.. orakpo reminds me of Kiwi, of the giants.. and that is a guy who has struggled to find a full time position. he has bounced between LB and DE.. and that is likely what we would get from orakpo

as for o linemen, with dockery on board, there is simply no one who would be drafted for the interior of the line who has any chance of starting (barring injury).. as for a R tackle, even if we get a prize like Smith or Oher, both of them are still works in progress and you know how buges is about young linemen. they will learn for at least 1 year. we will see heyer or jansen starting on the right and it will be their job to lose

so, realistically, i think LB is the spot where we most likely could draft a starter, potentially

[jaylen]

cant argue with you too much but if we have the chance to get a R tackle inthe class of samuels that is a no brainer
or
if we can get maulauga who will give us another playmaker on the defense, i would prefer that.

Yeah Mauluaga could become a tackling machine with Haynesworth in the middle wreacking havoc. And could start right away.

we have to be real careful with the 13th pick. I don't think our management drafts well at all, and so trading back to get picks doesn't appeal to me all that much the closer to the top of the draft potentially the more of a sure thing pick even our front office can't screw up.

I agree if the tackles are rated as high as Samuels I guess we'd have to go there.

But the thought that Vinny could be moving back piling up picks scares me.

a couple scenarios.

Grab the tackle 1st take a linebacker in rd 3.

Grab the pass rusher 1st, grab the linebacker or guard in rd 3.

grab the lb 1st take a homerun hitting running back and find a way to dump betts. lol

[shally]

Yeah Mauluaga could become a tackling machine with Haynesworth in the middle wreacking havoc. And could start right away.

we have to be real careful with the 13th pick. I don't think our management drafts well at all, and so trading back to get picks doesn't appeal to me all that much the closer to the top of the draft potentially the more of a sure thing pick even our front office can't screw up.

I agree if the tackles are rated as high as Samuels I guess we'd have to go there.

But the thought that Vinny could be moving back piling up picks scares me.

a couple scenarios.

Grab the tackle 1st take a linebacker in rd 3.

Grab the pass rusher 1st, grab the linebacker or guard in rd 3.

grab the lb 1st take a homerun hitting running back and find a way to dump betts. lol

we arent doing anything about RB.. we signed alridge, and that is the potential 3rd down back. we are staying with what we have

you are correct that sometimes moving back simply for the sake of moving back and getting more picks, just gets more mediocre players

one way or the other, we need to come out of the draft with an eventual starter and impact player from round 1, and a potential starter or at least quality role player from round 3.. the rest will be ST's at best...

[jaylen]

i think that either maulauga or cushing would likely start almost from the beginning (maulauga would play SLB for a year at least)

no way any DL starts over taylor or carter.. but they would get used for sure in a designated role.. orakpo reminds me of Kiwi, of the giants.. and that is a guy who has struggled to find a full time position. he has bounced between LB and DE.. and that is likely what we would get from orakpo

as for o linemen, with dockery on board, there is simply no one who would be drafted for the interior of the line who has any chance of starting (barring injury).. as for a R tackle, even if we get a prize like Smith or Oher, both of them are still works in progress and you know how buges is about young linemen. they will learn for at least 1 year. we will see heyer or jansen starting on the right and it will be their job to lose

so, realistically, i think LB is the spot where we most likely could draft a starter, potentially

I think Orakpo is more powerful than Kiwi who seemed kind of skinny to me.

Orakpo has a strong inside move.

I really like that kid. But there is an injury issue that scares me. But I can envision Haynesworth flushing the qb's and with Orakpo's great speed just running down the qb's.

I don't know if Taylor and Carter can hoof it enough anymore to run them qb's down.

But i agree with something else you said earlier, Hayneworth could just create totally mayhem collapsing that line.

He's so good at end as well he could crush some guys out there.

question is is Blache creative enough to put together some schemes.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I love the idea of trading down if possible.

I think drafting a DT/DE in the 5th is a waste. We already have several players of that caliber on the roster (Monty, Golston, Jackson, ....)

I think DE should be addressed first unless a T of Oher/Smith's ability is available, in that case you take the guy b/c you have an excellent RT for a few years then an in-house replacement for Samuels thereafter

I think that unless a RT thats not a reach is at 13 we should definately trade down. However I still go OLB if we can, no way an aging yet very good Fletcher and Rocky with his knees are enough to get by with Blades at the sam. I think we can live with the DE's we have in Jackson, Buzbee, Taylor, Carter, Wilson and if resign Daniels on the cheap our DL will be much improved thanks to Hanyseworth. He commands double teams, put a healthy Griff next to him and watch Carter and Taylor come to life.

A project DE/DT tweener can be had in the 5th and could improve given time. I mean Monty has all the tools but lacks motibvation, then there's guys that are undersized with high motors that come outta know where to be solid contributers. I just think the OL and OLB are more important , given a full array of picks Id draft a DE in the 2nd or third round for certain.

[jaylen]

we arent doing anything about RB.. we signed alridge, and that is the potential 3rd down back. we are staying with what we have

you are correct that sometimes moving back simply for the sake of moving back and getting more picks, just gets more mediocre players

one way or the other, we need to come out of the draft with an eventual starter and impact player from round 1, and a potential starter or at least quality role player from round 3.. the rest will be ST's at best...

Yeah I agree. Getting a starter is a must with the 1st pick. can we grab that potential starter in the 3rd rd is the key. I don't know.

Maybe Morroco Brown can really win Vinny over with a gem.

[shally]

I think Orakpo is more powerful than Kiwi who seemed kind of skinny to me.

Orakpo has a strong inside move.

I really like that kid. But there is an injury issue that scares me. But I can envision Haynesworth flushing the qb's and with Orakpo's great speed just running down the qb's.

I don't know if Taylor and Carter can hoof it enough anymore to run them qb's down.

But i agree with something else you said earlier, Hayneworth could just create totally mayhem collapsing that line.

He's so good at end as well he could crush some guys out there.

question is is Blache creative enough to put together some schemes.

carter is simply the best conditioned athlete on the team.. i expect he will benefit tremendously from AH.. taylor ? i would love to chalk it up to an injury filled year, but he is going to have something to prove.

i still think that orakpo is best suited for a 3/4 LB inthe role of andre ware.. but if he can play DE inthe 4/3, or if he can drop and cover the tight end and be a SLB, he is worth thinking about.. i thought that orakpo was lean in his weigh in at the combine and think he is very much in the same mold as Kiwi--
who has become an effective player for the giants. but kiwi is also on a squad that has tremendous players all up and down the line.
and he wasnt exactly dominating as a LB.. he seems a hybrid in the 4/3, without a real position

i just look at maulauga and see a guy who is going to be making play after play. i think he is a better player than tatupu-- and we all know what kind of player he has been for seattle.. comparisons with ray lewis are stretching things, but maulauga simply has an incredible upside...

[AliBabba]

I think that unless a RT thats not a reach is at 13 we should definately trade down. However I still go OLB if we can, no way an aging yet very good Fletcher and Rocky with his knees are enough to get by with Blades at the sam. I think we can live with the DE's we have in Jackson, Buzbee, Taylor, Carter, Wilson and if resign Daniels on the cheap our DL will be much improved thanks to Hanyseworth. He commands double teams, put a healthy Griff next to him and watch Carter and Taylor come to life.

A project DE/DT tweener can be had in the 5th and could improve given time. I mean Monty has all the tools but lacks motibvation, then there's guys that are undersized with high motors that come outta know where to be solid contributers. I just think the OL and OLB are more important , given a full array of picks Id draft a DE in the 2nd or third round for certain.
Can't really disagree with any of that ... we need to address DE and SAM for sure this offseason

[OoLak]

i think that either maulauga or cushing would likely start almost from the beginning (maulauga would play SLB for a year at least)

I agree on Maulauga, not sure cushing will go that high in the first round though. I still think that one of the Smiths or Oher drop to us we would be stupid not to take him

[shally]

I agree on Maulauga, not sure cushing will go that high in the first round though. I still think that one of the Smiths or Oher drop to us we would be stupid not to take him

cushing wont go that high.. second half of the first round is my guess. and matthews has been moving up on a lot of draft services. .he might actually go before cushing, who has injury/durability issues

and yeah, looking at and passing on smith (jason will be gone first) smith or oher would be rockheaded-- although beatty certainly has his admirers as well

[OoLak]

also if we trade back I hope we get one of the Cal OLineman

[shally]

also if we trade back I hope we get one of the Cal OLineman
mack or unger or robinson or loadholt or beatty-- all at the end of round 1/start of round 2

[Fergie829]

To a degree I am with you. Snyder wants to win in the worst way. and he has had some bad luck. Lets hope this all works out. I think it will hinge more on how much Jason Campbell improves than anthing else. If it gets no better though it is probably the end of Zorn and Campbell here in DC and we'll be back rebuilding next year except we'll have this 100 million dollar albatross ( Haynesworth) that will hamstring our cap situation.

I think Snyder has done a great job, along with Eric Shaffer, keeping us out of salary cap hell. They are obviously very creative in the drafting and restructuring of contracts. And they don't get enough credit for the job they are doing.

Whether or not Jason Campbell improves has nothing to do with Haynesworth, so I don't understand why you would link that to AH being an albatross. And should Jason not improve we will still have one of the best defenses in the league, not to mention a young backup QB in Colt who could actually become the franchise QB for this team, because if Jason doesn't improve he won't be here after this season. These signings have done all that can be done to immediately improve the defense from no. 4 to possibly no. 1 (with the exception of a LB). The fate of this team now lies with the improvement of the offense and we have taken care of at least one need there with the signing of Dock.

[Fathead]

I think Snyder has done a great job, along with Eric Shaffer, keeping us out of salary cap hell. They are obviously very creative in the drafting and restructuring of contracts. And they don't get enough credit for the job they are doing.

Whether or not Jason Campbell improves has nothing to do with Haynesworth, so I don't understand why you would link that to AH being an albatross. And should Jason not improve we will still have one of the best defenses in the league, not to mention a young backup QB in Colt who could actually become the franchise QB for this team, because if Jason doesn't improve he won't be here after this season. These signings have done all that can be done to immediately improve the defense from no. 4 to possibly no. 1 (with the exception of a LB). The fate of this team now lies with the improvement of the offense and we have taken care of at least one need there with the signing of Dock.




Why anyone would think that Brennan is a potential franchise QB is beyond my comprehension.

[shally]

Why anyone would think that Brennan is a potential franchise QB is beyond my comprehension.

i had to laugh... i knew that one would get you up and running...lol

[Fathead]

If a miracle happens and I'm proven wrong about this I will gladly admit it to the world. But I think I have a better chance of getting hit by lightning at the same moment I win the lottery.

[Fergie829]

Why anyone would think that Brennan is a potential franchise QB is beyond my comprehension.

I said "could", not "would". lol: smash::smash:

[Fathead]

And I could grow wings out of my butt and fly over to Tony Romo's house and break both of his legs.

lol

[Fergie829]

And I could grow wings out of my butt and fly over to Tony Romo's house and break both of his legs.

lol

That Would be entertaining. lol

[shally]

And I could grow wings out of my butt and fly over to Tony Romo's house and break both of his legs.

lol

that's a job for jessica simpson's father..lol

[Fathead]

I think I might see if I can figure out how to make that a reality.

[The Iceman]

this thread has sort of weened off topic, but i'd like to say that there is no way we should go LB with the 13th pick. Games are won and lost in on the offensive and defensive lines. It's about time our FO realize this and act. IF, and that's a big if... but IF we trade down, I'd still like to see a guy like Britton get picked with the first rounder, and if we pick up an early second, then absolutely get a guy like unger, mack, wood, or robinson. This is a perfect year to upgrade the OL because we don't have any other glaring needs that are so great that we must act on at this point. (OLB is not in that bad of shape.)

[shally]

this thread has sort of weened off topic, but i'd like to say that there is no way we should go LB with the 13th pick. Games are won and lost in on the offensive and defensive lines. It's about time our FO realize this and act. IF, and that's a big if... but IF we trade down, I'd still like to see a guy like Britton get picked with the first rounder, and if we pick up an early second, then absolutely get a guy like unger, mack, wood, or robinson. This is a perfect year to upgrade the OL because we don't have any other glaring needs that are so great that we must act on at this point. (OLB is not in that bad of shape.)

you can make the case that with superior DL and secondary play, you can get by with mediocre LB play
but
you cant say that our linebackers,outside of Fletcher are even mediocre

blades is simply not a starter. nice person. tries hard. but..

rocky with 2 good knees is a starter. a good one some of the time. but he played like an old man the last half of last year

k campbell is a special teamer, nothing more

fincher, same thing

wallace and tyson smith, maybe not even worthy of ST's or a roster spot

sinclair, special teamer before he got hurt. now ??

this is a wasteland. we need at least 2 more decent linebackers for next year.

no unit on the team has LESS overall talent than the linebackers

[Fathead]

no unit on the team has LESS overall talent than the linebackers




*cough kicking game *cough

[Patrick]

OK .. Can't even begin to say how happy I'm feeling now.
Skins FO is now offically on a roll. .
STOP ................... Focus on the draft - think the best OLB, OT or C on the board when it comes to #13 ...... DO NOT Trade down now !!!!!!

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

you can make the case that with superior DL and secondary play, you can get by with mediocre LB play
but
you cant say that our linebackers,outside of Fletcher are even mediocre

blades is simply not a starter. nice person. tries hard. but..

rocky with 2 good knees is a starter. a good one some of the time. but he played like an old man the last half of last year

k campbell is a special teamer, nothing more

fincher, same thing

wallace and tyson smith, maybe not even worthy of ST's or a roster spot

sinclair, special teamer before he got hurt. now ??

this is a wasteland. we need at least 2 more decent linebackers for next year.

no unit on the team has LESS overall talent than the linebackers

I'm with you.. but if we go LB I'd liike to see a trade down a bit.. Especially if the Donkeys take one in front of us.

[shally]

I'm with you.. but if we go LB I'd liike to see a trade down a bit.. Especially if the Donkeys take one in front of us.

depends.. if we have a shot at maulauga, i would say take him at 13.. if he is gone, then the trade down option looks better and better..especially if we use the first pick on OL and the second one on LB

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Welcome back Dock, this was a great steal for us.

[The Iceman]

you can make the case that with superior DL and secondary play, you can get by with mediocre LB play
but
you cant say that our linebackers,outside of Fletcher are even mediocre

blades is simply not a starter. nice person. tries hard. but..

rocky with 2 good knees is a starter. a good one some of the time. but he played like an old man the last half of last year

k campbell is a special teamer, nothing more

fincher, same thing

wallace and tyson smith, maybe not even worthy of ST's or a roster spot

sinclair, special teamer before he got hurt. now ??

this is a wasteland. we need at least 2 more decent linebackers for next year.

no unit on the team has LESS overall talent than the linebackers

I would like to note... The Steelers and the Ravens said that about Harrison 4 times before he became defensive MVP this year.

Not to say that one of these players will be defensive MVP, but it's not a reach to say that they could step up and be quality starters.

[The Iceman]

With Dockery back at LG, if we draft the best available OT in the draft to play RT we will be set for a while. That will infuse all kinds of youth into the line. With the depth at OLB, we can draft a guy to start in the 3rd round. Like I have previously said, Marcus Freeman fits the bill.

[skinsfan36]

With Dockery back at LG, if we draft the best available OT in the draft to play RT we will be set for a while. That will infuse all kinds of youth into the line. With the depth at OLB, we can draft a guy to start in the 3rd round. Like I have previously said, Marcus Freeman fits the bill.

he is one of my top olbs in the draft i think if we want him we need an early 2nd

[The Iceman]

he is one of my top olbs in the draft i think if we want him we need an early 2nd

He's listed as a 2-3 in the most mocks. I'm not sure what NFL teams have him listed at but a lot of what I have seen has him going late 2nd or early 3rd. I'd love to trade back from 13, draft an OT late in the first and pick up a late second to get an OLB. But, you may be right, he may be gone.

[SimplyZ]

depends.. if we have a shot at maulauga, i would say take him at 13.. if he is gone, then the trade down option looks better and better..especially if we use the first pick on OL and the second one on LB

So if Andre Smith dropped you would pass?

[The Iceman]

So if Andre Smith dropped you would pass?

Lord, I hope not.

[Jon Creveling]

R.T. remains an urgent need and not an empty threat!
To attempt to wing-it with the guys on roster would lead nowhere, little will be gained by bringing Derwreck back, here while you gain youth/brawn with Derrick you lose Petes head and professionalism. They simply cannot leave an open back door leading to Jason.

Any attempt by both the f.o. and Bugel to wing-it will sooner or later bite us in the ass, it's plain to see that Jansen can no longer be counted on more than a few games at a time, meanwhile Heyer has leveled off to the point that there looks to be no upswing in his game. Our man Fabs, what can you say other than he's still here.

If at 13 any of these big 4 tackles are still there I feel we must pick him, the desire to recoup lost picks and trade down are understandable, but let's grab grade-A talent while it's there for the taking. Feel the team must move on this if anything real will be achieved on this line. The pick should also be expected to start day one in my mind. Right or wrong I'll hold Bugel accountable.

[The Iceman]

R.T. remains an urgent need and not an empty threat!
To attempt to wing-it with the guys on roster would lead nowhere, little will be gained by bringing Derwreck back, here while you gain youth/brawn with Derrick you lose Petes head and professionalism. They simply cannot leave an open back door leading to Jason.

Any attempt by both the f.o. and Bugel to wing-it will sooner or later bite us in the ass, it's plain to see that Jansen can no longer be counted on more than a few games at a time, meanwhile Heyer has leveled off to the point that there looks to be no upswing in his game. Our man Fabs, what can you say other than he's still here.

If at 13 any of these big 4 tackles are still there I feel we must pick him, the desire to recoup lost picks and trade down are understandable, but let's grab grade-A talent while it's there for the taking. Feel the team must move on this if anything real will be achieved on this line. The pick should also be expected to start day one in my mind. Right or wrong I'll hold Bugel accountable.

I could not agree more. This team will live and die this year with the Offense. We know what we are going to get with our defense. The offense in the latter half of the season just came to a screeching halt. If you ask the players they say that there were no more holes to run through and they couldn't protect JC. If that is the case, which we all know that it is. Well, there's only one way to fix that. GET SOME YOUNG TALENT ON THE OL.

And with the 13th pick in the 2009 NFL draft, the Washington Redskins select Andre Smith OT, Alabama.

[shally]

I could not agree more. This team will live and die this year with the Offense. We know what we are going to get with our defense. The offense in the latter half of the season just came to a screeching halt. If you ask the players they say that there were no more holes to run through and they couldn't protect JC. If that is the case, which we all know that it is. Well, there's only one way to fix that. GET SOME YOUNG TALENT ON THE OL.

And with the 13th pick in the 2009 NFL draft, the Washington Redskins select Andre Smith OT, Alabama.

could happen, but i thinkk smith will do enough between now and the draft to bump him back up into the top 10.. on the other hand, i think we will have a shot at Oher..

[skinsfan36]

could happen, but i thinkk smith will do enough between now and the draft to bump him back up into the top 10.. on the other hand, i think we will have a shot at Oher..

think you are right and it looks as if the chiefs could be taking a ot now that they got their qb.oher is also dropping for no reason

[Jon Creveling]

And with the 13th pick in the 2009 NFL draft, the Washington Redskins select Andre Smith OT, Alabama.

Stop teasing me, I'm very vulnerable right now to Rose colored glasses!

I'm still on an Haynesworth-high!:)

[The Iceman]

think you are right and it looks as if the chiefs could be taking a ot now that they got their qb.oher is also dropping for no reason

That's what scares me. I think the rams and chiefs will be taking an OT now.

[Moe]

That's what scares me. I think the rams and chiefs will be taking an OT now.

The Chiefs might want a nice big WR for their shiny new QB, or they could address their empty cupboard of a D. They did take Albert last year to shore up their left side and with the many holes they have elswhere I'm not sure o-line is number one for them.
The Rams just signed that guy from Baltimore and could really secure their line with one of the OT's.

[shally]

The Chiefs might want a nice big WR for their shiny new QB, or they could address their empty cupboard of a D. They did take Albert last year to shore up their left side and with the many holes they have elswhere I'm not sure o-line is number one for them.
The Rams just signed that guy from Baltimore and could really secure their line with one of the OT's.


there will be at least several players hwo could help the skins OL when they are picking-- including RT candidates