Jason Campbell for Jay Cutler?

[Death_Venom]

How many quarterbacks had to learn new offenses last year? Farve, Pennington, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco. With the exception of Farve, who is none other than Brett Farve, the other three had pretty good years. Is Chad Pennington better than Cutler, no way. The Dolphins won their division. Ryan and Flacco, rookies of course, but they had too learn new systems as well, and their teams finished 11-5 and went to playoffs. Is Joe Flacco better than Cutler, I don't think so. Is Matt Ryan, better than Cutler. I wouldn't say better, but an argument can be made that he and Cutler share a lot of similar attributes.

The whole learning of a new system mumbo jumbo is something that has been created by us to blanket our current quarterback starter(s) over the years. Learning a new offensive system, understanding it, and executing it is up to the players. I find it hard to believe that Zorn's system is so complex that Campbell had THAT much trouble executing it.

Well, its looking more and more likely that Jay Cutler will be traded. So some people who have commented on this thread think that whoever gets Jay Cutler next season is pretty much throwing the 2009 season in the trash while he learns to pick up that team's offense? Seriously? A Pro Bowl quarterback is going to wreck a team's season because he has to learn their offense? Wow.


I am going to disagree with this post alomost entirely. Favre & Pennington are vets and should have minimal trouble adapting to a new system. AS fopr the others they are rookies and I am going to bet that the offense schemes were dumbed down untuil they showed some grasp of the offense. Matt Ryan & Flacco hjad decent RB's that could help them out with a consistent running game. Campbell has had 3 offenses in in as many years (and I believe like 3 in college) and I find it hard to pass judgement until he has had time to settle into the scheme as other QBs have had the opportunity.

One last point until our WRs become at least somewhat consistent in their catching and running routes I will withhold judgement. I have said it once and will say it again Cutler is overrated in my opinion and not worth the trade attempts (in the case of the Redskins).

[akhhorus]

Cutler also had the worst defense in the league (among them at least) and had street FAs starting at RB for significant portions of the season.

Also, he had one pro-bowl caliber receiver and no other real targets (unless you want to argue that Eddie Royal deserves to be in the pro-bowl).

As opposed to the skins who had two Canadian pro bowlers(maybe) at wr? And Cutler had a great Oline(11 sacks in 616 pass attempts for Cutler vs 38 in 506 for Campbell). You give Campbell that kind of support system and he'll put up much better numbers.

[dj_stouty]

I'd be open to the Redskins at least talking to the Broncos to find out the asking price. I'm not fully sold on Jason yet; so a little competition at camp really wouldn't hurt.

[Chief Redskin]

Some Broncos fans would rather have Colt Brennan than Jason Campbell...


http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=137876&highlight=jason+campbell&page=2

[shally]

No, I think people are saying that Jay Cutler is better than Jason Campbell and that is why we should get him.

he IS better than Campbell.. but NO, we wont get him

[shally]

I'd be open to the Redskins at least talking to the Broncos to find out the asking price. I'm not fully sold on Jason yet; so a little competition at camp really wouldn't hurt.

that wont work any better than having Campbell "compete" with Ramsey worked.. you bring in Cutler, you trade Campbell for whatever you can get for him.. that is the only way it works. you make the redskins Cutler's team.. otherwise, you have a team divided in half...or, you leave the team under Campbell

[shally]

Some Broncos fans would rather have Colt Brennan than Jason Campbell...


http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=137876&highlight=jason+campbell&page=2

trade them Colt, for a first rounder, lol

[skinsfan36]

trade them Colt, for a first rounder, lol

lol that should make it even for the duckett trade

[shally]

lol that should make it even for the duckett trade

yeah, but no for lloyd.. we are still behind the curve on that trade..lol

[Fathead]

I'd trade colt brennan to Denver for a ham sandwich.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

I'd trade colt brennan to Denver for a ham sandwich.
Really? A ham sandwich? I mean really?






I would do it for a club sandwich, but not ham.

[shally]

just getting worse and worse.. i dont see any way this gets resolved amicably-- even if bowlen personally steps in, far too much water under the bridge now

cutler will be with another team by the draft at the latest...

[firehawk157]

just getting worse and worse.. i dont see any way this gets resolved amicably-- even if bowlen personally steps in, far too much water under the bridge now

cutler will be with another team by the draft at the latest...
I'd trade JC and Betts in a heartbeat. Betts is better than anything they have on the roster.

[firehawk157]

Any idea who Cutler is rumored to be trading with?

[shoogknight]

Any idea who Cutler is rumored to be trading with?


The word swirling now is to the Vikings????


Ziggy will pay him and they have a huge need.

It will probably take the vikes first and second i bet, or maybe something blockbuster like one of the Williams boys and a later pick???


I could see it going down. The Vikes would be instant NFC challengers.

Cutler and Peterson with Berrian strectching the field.....WOW

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Cutler also had the worst defense in the league (among them at least) and had street FAs starting at RB for significant portions of the season.

Also, he had one pro-bowl caliber receiver and no other real targets (unless you want to argue that Eddie Royal deserves to be in the pro-bowl).

Eddie Royal did more in his first game as a pro then our three rookies did for the whole season combined!!! The guy had 91 catches. That is REAL close to pro bowl level.

They also have a good TE in Scheffler.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

John Clayton was on the radio this morning saying the teams to watch are the Jets, Lions, Bucs, Bears and Vikes.

The Bucs would be smart to go get him (Jets too). Bucs still have all that cap room and can build around him. But their FO looks to be in over their heads, so they will probably just continue to sit on their thumbs.

[firehawk157]

Eddie Royal did more in his first game as a pro then our three rookies did for the whole season combined!!! The guy had 91 catches. That is REAL close to pro bowl level.

They also have a good TE in Scheffler.
Perhaps that's because Cutler wasn't afraid to throw it to him?

[AliBabba]

John Clayton was on the radio this morning saying the teams to watch are the Jets, Lions, Bucs, Bears and Vikes.

The Bucs would be smart to go get him (Jets too). Bucs still have all that cap room and can build around him. But their FO looks to be in over their heads, so they will probably just continue to sit on their thumbs.
Clayton knows what he's talking about but I don't see a trade happening with a single one of those teams. I don't think that McDaniels will do a deal that he can't get a decent QB back. There is not one QB with any promise on any of those teams

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Clayton knows what he's talking about but I don't see a trade happening with a single one of those teams. I don't think that McDaniels will do a deal that he can't get a decent QB back. There is not one QB with any promise on any of those teams

Clayton talked compensation too. He said the last QB of Cutler's age and ability to be traded was Jeff George. Interesting that Cutler is compared to Jeff George a lot lately. Warning signs????

Anyway, he said it would probably take a 1 and a 3 and a pick the following year, which may start as a 2 but could rise to a 1 based on performance.

[Moe]

Any idea who Cutler is rumored to be trading with?

Fans in Carolina are rumbling about Peppers for Cutler, and while that makes sense on a few levels, I can't see it happening.

[AliBabba]

Clayton talked compensation too. He said the last QB of Cutler's age and ability to be traded was Jeff George. Interesting that Cutler is compared to Jeff George a lot lately. Warning signs????

Anyway, he said it would probably take a 1 and a 3 and a pick the following year, which may start as a 2 but could rise to a 1 based on performance.
Again, I just disagree with Clayton completely here. The only way Cutler ends up on one of those teams is a three-way deal that nets the Broncos a QB. Since Cassel's not an option it would have to be somebody like Brady Quinn. So if Tampa, Minny, Chicago, etc want to ship picks to Cleveland it's possible I guess.

The other QBs around the league I think Denver would consider are Romo, JC, Rodgers, Leinart, and Ryan and Flacco. (I didn't bother listing the QBs that would never be traded for Cutler)

Off that list I can only really see Romo, JC, Leinart and Quinn as options and only JC/Romo because of Danny/Jerruh

EDIT: Rodgers, Ryan and Flacco couldn't be traded for salary cap reasons on top of the fact that their teams probably wouldn't want to looking at Cutler right now

EDIT 2: PFT agrees, http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/17/quinn-leinart-are-the-best-options-for-the-broncos/

[AliBabba]

Fans in Carolina are rumbling about Peppers for Cutler, and while that makes sense on a few levels, I can't see it happening.
Again I couldn't see that happening without a QB going to Denver

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

nfl live said that if cutler were traded,there would have to be qb in the deal
to exchange with the broncos.i,d send them campbell and malcolm kelly in half of a heartbeat.

[Moe]

Again I couldn't see that happening without a QB going to Denver

Well the impetus of this rumor was to move Delhomme after his disastrous playoff meltdown and high cost. They could toss Matt Moore into the mix also; played decently for the Cats in '07 down the stretch, decent athlete and has a big arm like Cutler. But, it ain't happening.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Again, I just disagree with Clayton completely here. The only way Cutler ends up on one of those teams is a three-way deal that nets the Broncos a QB. Since Cassel's not an option it would have to be somebody like Brady Quinn. So if Tampa, Minny, Chicago, etc want to ship picks to Cleveland it's possible I guess.

The other QBs around the league I think Denver would consider are Romo, JC, Rodgers, Leinart, and Ryan and Flacco. (I didn't bother listing the QBs that would never be traded for Cutler)

Off that list I can only really see Romo, JC, Leinart and Quinn as options and only JC/Romo because of Danny/Jerruh

EDIT: Rodgers, Ryan and Flacco couldn't be traded for salary cap reasons on top of the fact that their teams probably wouldn't want to looking at Cutler right now

EDIT 2: PFT agrees, http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/17/quinn-leinart-are-the-best-options-for-the-broncos/

Sorry, Clayton did mention Cleveland as a possible match with either Quinn or Anderson (more likely Quinn) going back as part compensation too.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Perhaps that's because Cutler wasn't afraid to throw it to him?

Its more than just throwing him the ball. Kelly and Davis missed most of the season as coach's decision. That has nothing to do with Campbell.

And, Thomas is so great, he couldn't even unseat the mighty ARE as a starter.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

There is a lot of Cutler talk up here because of the Jets, but one of the radio hosts brought up a great point. Cutler is a sensitive dude. A lot of QB's are sensitive, but Cutler takes it to a different level. While there is no spotlight hotter than NY, QB of the Washington Redskins is not far behind.

Another consideration before you build the franchise around him.

[shoogknight]

Again, I just disagree with Clayton completely here. The only way Cutler ends up on one of those teams is a three-way deal that nets the Broncos a QB. Since Cassel's not an option it would have to be somebody like Brady Quinn. So if Tampa, Minny, Chicago, etc want to ship picks to Cleveland it's possible I guess.

The other QBs around the league I think Denver would consider are Romo, JC, Rodgers, Leinart, and Ryan and Flacco. (I didn't bother listing the QBs that would never be traded for Cutler)

Off that list I can only really see Romo, JC, Leinart and Quinn as options and only JC/Romo because of Danny/Jerruh

EDIT: Rodgers, Ryan and Flacco couldn't be traded for salary cap reasons on top of the fact that their teams probably wouldn't want to looking at Cutler right now

EDIT 2: PFT agrees, http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/17/quinn-leinart-are-the-best-options-for-the-broncos/




i think you are miss reading McDaniels on this one.

1. he really only wanted one QB over Cutler ----- Cassel, once that deal was dead for him he was willing to stick with Cutler.

2. I dont think he really wants an old guy that would possibly be available ie.. Delhomme etc.... I really dont think he would even want JC

3. This deal will not go down before draft day, and here is why...... although McD has looked sophmoric through all of this. He will not be forced into giving Cutler away. He will absolutely keep him, mad or not, if he does not get what he wants.

So i really disagree with the notion that a QB has to be part of this deal. I also dont think he wants a pick above maybe 7 or 8, too much invested in those guys.

McD is cocky. He thinks he can build a QB out of almost anyone, because of his Cassel involvment. He basically said the other day to Mortenson that he was responsible for Cassels development. he said "I could be really good for Jay, look what I did with Matt"


Bottomline is he wants to wait to draft day, see if Sanchez falls below 10 and make a trade for a pick to get him.

I think the trade will have to be a 1st this year to get him Sanchez, or a pick and trade situation, along with additional picks this year and next.

Broncos pick before us so it wont be Cutler in Washington, they would just pick Sanchez and deal cutler for a bounty of picks, which we dont have.


My best guess. He goes to Cleveland or nowhere

[AliBabba]

i think you are miss reading McDaniels on this one.

1. he really only wanted one QB over Cutler ----- Cassel, once that deal was dead for him he was willing to stick with Cutler.

2. I dont think he really wants an old guy that would possibly be available ie.. Delhomme etc.... I really dont think he would even want JC

3. This deal will not go down before draft day, and here is why...... although McD has looked sophmoric through all of this. He will not be forced into giving Cutler away. He will absolutely keep him, mad or not, if he does not get what he wants.

So i really disagree with the notion that a QB has to be part of this deal. I also dont think he wants a pick above maybe 7 or 8, too much invested in those guys.

McD is cocky. He thinks he can build a QB out of almost anyone, because of his Cassel involvment. He basically said the other day to Mortenson that he was responsible for Cassels development. he said "I could be really good for Jay, look what I did with Matt"


Bottomline is he wants to wait to draft day, see if Sanchez falls below 10 and make a trade for a pick to get him.

I think the trade will have to be a 1st this year to get him Sanchez, or a pick and trade situation, along with additional picks this year and next.

Broncos pick before us so it wont be Cutler in Washington, they would just pick Sanchez and deal cutler for a bounty of picks, which we dont have.


My best guess. He goes to Cleveland or nowhere
A few questions:

1. Do you know "McD" personally? You sure have a great reading on the guy ;)

2. What's "McD" gonna do to keep Cutler once Bowlen calls him into his office and says I'm tired of this I want Cutler traded?

3. You think "McD" is waiting for Sanchez to fall past 10 so he can trade up from 12? Sounds like less than sound strategy to me. If I wanted a guy so much that I'd trade up for him I'd prob be willing to trade up more than ONE spot

4. You say all this but then you say he's going to Cleveland? And they are gonna add a 3rd QB now on draft day and not trade one of the other two away? I think you should talk to "McD" again

[SkinsfaninNJ]

i think you are miss reading McDaniels on this one.

1. he really only wanted one QB over Cutler ----- Cassel, once that deal was dead for him he was willing to stick with Cutler.

2. I dont think he really wants an old guy that would possibly be available ie.. Delhomme etc.... I really dont think he would even want JC

3. This deal will not go down before draft day, and here is why...... although McD has looked sophmoric through all of this. He will not be forced into giving Cutler away. He will absolutely keep him, mad or not, if he does not get what he wants.

So i really disagree with the notion that a QB has to be part of this deal. I also dont think he wants a pick above maybe 7 or 8, too much invested in those guys.

McD is cocky. He thinks he can build a QB out of almost anyone, because of his Cassel involvment. He basically said the other day to Mortenson that he was responsible for Cassels development. he said "I could be really good for Jay, look what I did with Matt"


Bottomline is he wants to wait to draft day, see if Sanchez falls below 10 and make a trade for a pick to get him.

I think the trade will have to be a 1st this year to get him Sanchez, or a pick and trade situation, along with additional picks this year and next.

Broncos pick before us so it wont be Cutler in Washington, they would just pick Sanchez and deal cutler for a bounty of picks, which we dont have.


My best guess. He goes to Cleveland or nowhere

Good Post.

[shoogknight]

A few questions:

1. Do you know "McD" personally? You sure have a great reading on the guy ;)

2. What's "McD" gonna do to keep Cutler once Bowlen calls him into his office and says I'm tired of this I want Cutler traded?

3. You think "McD" is waiting for Sanchez to fall past 10 so he can trade up from 12? Sounds like less than sound strategy to me. If I wanted a guy so much that I'd trade up for him I'd prob be willing to trade up more than ONE spot

4. You say all this but then you say he's going to Cleveland? And they are gonna add a 3rd QB now on draft day and not trade one of the other two away? I think you should talk to "McD" again


You should change your screen name to mr. sensitive

This is an opinion board for throwing around ideas and having friendly banter when there is no football. So dont feel like i was attacking you. Just a difference of opinion. I will be the first to say i was wrong if my opinion is incorrect.

I know McD about as well as you seem to know "Bowlen".

I just dont think they will invest above a 7-8 pick on a QB due to the amount of investment in the higher picks

My opinion is that if they cannot get the QB they want on draft day that the only other possibility is Cleveland.

I did not offer my opinion on what they would do with their 2 QB's. But since you ask, Denver would not want either of them. Anderson would get cut, because they are not getting picks for him. Quinn stays and sits as insurance or possibly gets traded (not likely)


Once again, these are my opinions, which happen to differ greatly from yours. So lets sit back and enjoy the outcome and see who is right.

[akhhorus]

You should change your screen name to mr. sensitive

This is an opinion board for throwing around ideas and having friendly banter when there is no football. So dont feel like i was attacking you. Just a difference of opinion. I will be the first to say i was wrong if my opinion is incorrect.

I know McD about as well as you seem to know "Bowlen".

I just dont think they will invest above a 7-8 pick on a QB due to the amount of investment in the higher picks

My opinion is that if they cannot get the QB they want on draft day that the only other possibility is Cleveland.

I did not offer my opinion on what they would do with their 2 QB's. But since you ask, Denver would not want either of them. Anderson would get cut, because they are not getting picks for him. Quinn stays and sits as insurance or possibly gets traded (not likely)


Once again, these are my opinions, which happen to differ greatly from yours. So lets sit back and enjoy the outcome and see who is right.

Why the hell would Cleveland deal for him? They have Anderson on a big contract and Quinn behind him.

[AliBabba]

You should change your screen name to mr. sensitive
I'll consider it. You should consider sugeknight, shoogycookie, or mr.irrelevant.since.1996

This is an opinion board for throwing around ideas and having friendly banter when there is no football. So dont feel like i was attacking you. Just a difference of opinion. I will be the first to say i was wrong if my opinion is incorrect.
I was stating my difference of opinion, but please go on. Thought I'd say this only turned into more than difference of opinion when you suggested new nicknames ....

I know McD about as well as you seem to know "Bowlen".
Nevermind then, I didn't realize you knew him so well. Where did I imply I knew anything about Bowlen again? By saying he could get tired of the drama and want to end it?

I just dont think they will invest above a 7-8 pick on a QB due to the amount of investment in the higher picks

My opinion is that if they cannot get the QB they want on draft day that the only other possibility is Cleveland.

I did not offer my opinion on what they would do with their 2 QB's. But since you ask, Denver would not want either of them. Anderson would get cut, because they are not getting picks for him. Quinn stays and sits as insurance or possibly gets traded (not likely)
This makes no sense.

You say they won't invest higher than a 7-8 pick because it costs too much $$ so you say they will trade with Cleveland who owns the 5th pick and two QBs they aren't gonna want or take? So what are they gonna get from them exactly.

Once again, these are my opinions, which happen to differ greatly from yours. So lets sit back and enjoy the outcome and see who is right.
I appreciate the lesson on how the message board works, I assure you I'm taking notes

[LASkin]

Cowherd said on his show this morning that overall, Cutler's record as a starter isn't impressive - until you know that he is 22-1 as a starter when the other team scores 22 points or less. That gets a big "wow" from me.

I wonder what the equivalent stat is for Campbell?

In a year in which Cassell went for a high #2 and Peppers may also go for a #2, Cutler may come a lot cheaper than Denver would like.

[AliBabba]

Cowherd said on his show this morning that overall, Cutler's record as a starter isn't impressive - until you know that he is 22-1 as a starter when the other team scores 22 points or less. That gets a big "wow" from me.

I wonder what the equivalent stat is for Campbell?

In a year in which Cassell went for a high #2 and Peppers may also go for a #2, Cutler may come a lot cheaper than Denver would like.
I don't know JC's record but I do know we gave up more than 22 points 6 times last year but more than 24 just once, SF last game of the year

[firehawk157]

Cowherd said on his show this morning that overall, Cutler's record as a starter isn't impressive - until you know that he is 22-1 as a starter when the other team scores 22 points or less. That gets a big "wow" from me.

I wonder what the equivalent stat is for Campbell?

In a year in which Cassell went for a high #2 and Peppers may also go for a #2, Cutler may come a lot cheaper than Denver would like.
Interesting stat.

[shally]

I don't know JC's record but I do know we gave up more than 22 points 6 times last year but more than 24 just once, SF last game of the year


that is a huge statement.. when you cannot consistently score 23 points and your defense is giving up 22, you know where the problem is for the most part.. the defense collapsed as well, but the offense was a flame out over and over

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Why the hell would Cleveland deal for him? They have Anderson on a big contract and Quinn behind him.

Reports are Mangini doesn't like Quinn.

[shoogknight]

Why the hell would Cleveland deal for him? They have Anderson on a big contract and Quinn behind him.


well maybe because he is better than both Anderson and Quinn

Andersons contract is big for his production but he was only a 3.3 mill cap hit last year on a 7 mill bonus, it would not be hard to cut him

quinns cap figure is backup numbers 1.4 mill, bargin backup, someone would take Quin for a 2nd or more

So not sure i understand your confusion on why they would want Cutler. He makes them instantly better.

[akhhorus]

well maybe because he is better than both Anderson and Quinn

Andersons contract is big for his production but he was only a 3.3 mill cap hit last year on a 7 mill bonus, it would not be hard to cut him

quinns cap figure is backup numbers 1.4 mill, bargin backup, someone would take Quin for a 2nd or more

So not sure i understand your confusion on why they would want Cutler. He makes them instantly better.

I have no confusion: they have 2 young Qbs and have to move them first before they can even consider an offer for Cutler. I don't think Cutler is a huge upgrade over Anderson or Quinn frankly(both of whom were undermined by drops last year). If you pulled this out of your butt, thats fine, but there's no logic behind it--much like your "Denver would like Ladell Betts because he'd be a star for them" nonsense.

[dj_stouty]

that wont work any better than having Campbell "compete" with Ramsey worked.. you bring in Cutler, you trade Campbell for whatever you can get for him.. that is the only way it works. you make the redskins Cutler's team.. otherwise, you have a team divided in half...or, you leave the team under Campbell

I'm glad we made Ramsey compete because it was the one sure-fire way that our FO and Coaching staff knew that the guy was a fraud. He crumbled under the pressure and bitched and moaned the entire time. And after he lost his job in week 1; Brunell took over and took them to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

I really don't see how competition should be frowned up on when it comes to the QB position. Look at Arizona. Warner won the job; kept the job; and their top draft pick from a year ago sat pine and while they went to the Super Bowl. I didn't see the team split on that QB decision. If anytyhing; it told the entire team that starters aren't guaranteed their spot if they don't play hard. Same thing happened to Edge when he lost the starting gig to Hightower in the middle of the season. He ended up pushing through it and winning the job back. Again- another great example of competition working things out...

I think this discussion is all moot though; as the FO feels content moving forward with Collins and NCAA-Record-Breaker-Boy. Personally, I don't feel comfortable with any of our 3 QBs.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm glad we made Ramsey compete because it was the one sure-fire way that our FO and Coaching staff knew that the guy was a fraud. He crumbled under the pressure and bitched and moaned the entire time. And after he lost his job in week 1; Brunell took over and took them to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

I really don't see how competition should be frowned up on when it comes to the QB position. Look at Arizona. Warner won the job; kept the job; and their top draft pick from a year ago sat pine and while they went to the Super Bowl. I didn't see the team split on that QB decision. If anytyhing; it told the entire team that starters aren't guaranteed their spot if they don't play hard. Same thing happened to Edge when he lost the starting gig to Hightower in the middle of the season. He ended up pushing through it and winning the job back. Again- another great example of competition working things out...

I think this discussion is all moot though; as the FO feels content moving forward with Collins and NCAA-Record-Breaker-Boy. Personally, I don't feel comfortable with any of our 3 QBs.
Hallelujah!

A-****ing-men!

Preach on, brother DJ!

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Hallelujah!

A-****ing-men!

Preach on, brother DJ!

:thinker: Yeah, IMO JC, Todd, and Colt should compete for the spot, if Donovan could be benched, why cant JC, he had some spotty performances last year to say the least...

[Rogers_Redskins]

The Professor John Clayton just mentioned Campbell for Cutler and to never take the skins out of landing the big fish. Sorry no link just seen it on SC.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

:thinker: Yeah, IMO JC, Todd, and Colt should compete for the spot, if Donovan could be benched, why cant JC, he had some spotty performances last year to say the least...

I agree that competition should bring out the best in everyone. But, I will offer these cautionary tales:

1. If we went after Cutler, you have to commit to him as the starter completely. Could you imagine if a team asked him to compete. His head would explode.

2. McNabb is probably a bad example. He is still pouting about it, and Kolb played about as bad as I would have played when McNabb was benched. Now they have an angry McNabb and a giant question mark in Kolb. So that didn't really work out too well for the Eagles.

[shally]

The Professor John Clayton just mentioned Campbell for Cutler and to never take the skins out of landing the big fish. Sorry no link just seen it on SC.


we are linked to everyone..everytime...

[shally]

I agree that competition should bring out the best in everyone. But, I will offer these cautionary tales:

1. If we went after Cutler, you have to commit to him as the starter completely. Could you imagine if a team asked him to compete. His head would explode.

2. McNabb is probably a bad example. He is still pouting about it, and Kolb played about as bad as I would have played when McNabb was benched. Now they have an angry McNabb and a giant question mark in Kolb. So that didn't really work out too well for the Eagles.


the eagles situation needs only money to salve mcnabb's wounds.. nothing more

cutler starts wherever he is traded.. no question.. he will also sign and extension, i bet

[Tha Boss Hogg]

we are linked to everyone..everytime...

But this time it makes sense lol...

[shally]

But this time it makes sense lol...


only if the front office is ready to pull the rug out from both zorn and campbell

i can tell you, bringing in cutler would not sit well with the lockerroom at this time

[Tha Boss Hogg]

only if the front office is ready to pull the rug out from both zorn and campbell

i can tell you, bringing in cutler would not sit well with the lockerroom at this time

Hold on though, winning cures all ills, if we win with Cutler they will forgive and forget...

[SkinsfaninNJ]

the eagles situation needs only money to salve mcnabb's wounds.. nothing more

cutler starts wherever he is traded.. no question.. he will also sign and extension, i bet

Cutler is going to look for a new contract for sure. Bus Cook is such a d-bag. Good article about how this is Cook's third go round on this type of power play.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/03/17/cook/index.html

[shally]

Cutler is going to look for a new contract for sure. Bus Cook is such a d-bag. Good article about how this is Cook's third go round on this type of power play.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/03/17/cook/index.html

since when has that ever stopped us..?? we dealt with Lavars agents who were out and out crooks...

[NCskinsfanatic]

since when has that ever stopped us..?? we dealt with Lavars agents who were out and out crooks...

Yeah Danny get his way one way or another lol...money talks.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Yeah Danny get his way one way or another lol...money talks.

Yeah basically, I think they are discussing this trade for real though...

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

i would be amazed if vinny,danny, or jimmy had the brass pair to ever pull off a trade like this!

[Tha Boss Hogg]

i would be amazed if vinny,danny, or jimmy had the brass pair to ever pull off a trade like this!

I wouldn't, It would only take two parts


Jason Campbell
Draft Pick
= Jay Cutler lol...

[BurgundyNGold]

I wouldn't, It would only take four parts


Jason Campbell
Draft Pick
Additional unwarranted draft picks to Denver for no reason.
Big contract extension for Cutler without having done anything as a Redskin
= Jay Cutler lol...
Fixed for you ;)

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Fixed for you ;)

lol, I forgot about that, they would throw in about 2 or three picks and give him Peyton Manning money...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Sorta like T.O. Jason Campbell is our Quarterback... http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/Mar/17/jason-our-quarterback/

[warpaint]

Sorta like T.O. http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/Mar/17/jason-our-quarterback/

well read this link cutler is going to be a redskin , that is if you beleive this
[url]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/do-skins-want-cutler-214058.html[/url

he Redskins have serious interest in Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, an NFL source said Tuesday, and have entered talks about a possible three-way deal to acquire him.

Two NFL sources confirmed the possibility of a three-way trade, with Kansas City being mentioned by one source as a possibility.

"They're trying to do something," one NFL source said of the Redskins. "Whether or not it materializes is another matter, but [Redskins owner Dan Snyder] is on this hard. They don't trust Jason Campbell."

Cutler is involved in a dispute with Denver after the Broncos had discussions about trading him to New England for quarterback Matt Cassel. First-year Broncos coach Josh McDaniels met with Culter this past weekend. Afterward, Cutler said he could not trust McDaniels and wanted to be traded.

Denver has said they don't want to trade Cutler for draft picks, meaning the Redskins or the third team would have to surrender at least one top player. The Redskins could also end up with Denver tight end Tony Scheffler, who is represented by the same agent as Culter - Bus Cook.

Fueling the speculation is the close relationship between former Denver coach Mike Shanahan and Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato. Shanahan, who traded several times with Cerrato while with Denver, could provide the endorsement needed for Cutler."
he Redskins have serious interest in Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, an NFL source said Tuesday, and have entered talks about a possible three-way deal to acquire him.

Two NFL sources confirmed the possibility of a three-way trade, with Kansas City being mentioned by one source as a possibility.

"They're trying to do something," one NFL source said of the Redskins. "Whether or not it materializes is another matter, but [Redskins owner Dan Snyder] is on this hard. They don't trust Jason Campbell."

Cutler is involved in a dispute with Denver after the Broncos had discussions about trading him to New England for quarterback Matt Cassel. First-year Broncos coach Josh McDaniels met with Culter this past weekend. Afterward, Cutler said he could not trust McDaniels and wanted to be traded.

Denver has said they don't want to trade Cutler for draft picks, meaning the Redskins or the third team would have to surrender at least one top player. The Redskins could also end up with Denver tight end Tony Scheffler, who is represented by the same agent as Culter - Bus Cook.



http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/do-skins-want-cutler-214058.html

[shally]

Fixed for you ;)

item number 3 gives me constant heartburn...

[shally]

well read this link cutler is going to be a redskin , that is if you beleive this
[url]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/do-skins-want-cutler-214058.html[/url

he Redskins have serious interest in Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, an NFL source said Tuesday, and have entered talks about a possible three-way deal to acquire him.

Two NFL sources confirmed the possibility of a three-way trade, with Kansas City being mentioned by one source as a possibility.

"They're trying to do something," one NFL source said of the Redskins. "Whether or not it materializes is another matter, but [Redskins owner Dan Snyder] is on this hard. They don't trust Jason Campbell."

Cutler is involved in a dispute with Denver after the Broncos had discussions about trading him to New England for quarterback Matt Cassel. First-year Broncos coach Josh McDaniels met with Culter this past weekend. Afterward, Cutler said he could not trust McDaniels and wanted to be traded.

Denver has said they don't want to trade Cutler for draft picks, meaning the Redskins or the third team would have to surrender at least one top player. The Redskins could also end up with Denver tight end Tony Scheffler, who is represented by the same agent as Culter - Bus Cook.

Fueling the speculation is the close relationship between former Denver coach Mike Shanahan and Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato. Shanahan, who traded several times with Cerrato while with Denver, could provide the endorsement needed for Cutler."
he Redskins have serious interest in Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, an NFL source said Tuesday, and have entered talks about a possible three-way deal to acquire him.

Two NFL sources confirmed the possibility of a three-way trade, with Kansas City being mentioned by one source as a possibility.

"They're trying to do something," one NFL source said of the Redskins. "Whether or not it materializes is another matter, but [Redskins owner Dan Snyder] is on this hard. They don't trust Jason Campbell."

Cutler is involved in a dispute with Denver after the Broncos had discussions about trading him to New England for quarterback Matt Cassel. First-year Broncos coach Josh McDaniels met with Culter this past weekend. Afterward, Cutler said he could not trust McDaniels and wanted to be traded.

Denver has said they don't want to trade Cutler for draft picks, meaning the Redskins or the third team would have to surrender at least one top player. The Redskins could also end up with Denver tight end Tony Scheffler, who is represented by the same agent as Culter - Bus Cook.



http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/do-skins-want-cutler-214058.html

whether or not it actually happens, it clearly sounds like something Snyder would do

[skinsfan36]

whether or not it actually happens, it clearly sounds like something Snyder would do

agreed love to have have cutler though.what would we trade other than campbell?

[shally]

agreed love to have have cutler though.what would we trade other than campbell?

campbell would have to be part of any deal

others?

the usual crew of betts, moss, raymer (voidable contract), maybe monty of golston (they have been tendered, can they be traded ???)

[Redskinfan28]

I can't imagine we have the firepower to make the trade for Cutler, but it would be nice to get him.

[shally]

I can't imagine we have the firepower to make the trade for Cutler, but it would be nice to get him.

again, if you are trading your starting QB, there isnt that much difference..
after all what did Cassel fetch ? What did a disgruntled Culpepper fetch ?

it is market determined because every team knows that Cutler is going to keep driving the deal

[BurgundyNGold]

campbell would have to be part of any deal

others?

the usual crew of betts, moss, raymer (voidable contract), maybe monty of golston (they have been tendered, can they be traded ???)
Wha???

[shally]

Wha???


my bad..RABACH.....got too excited.... lol

[IndySkin]

As each day goes by and this situation continues to get worse, it seems they loose leverage on what they could get for Cutler. If they truly want to trade him, it seems that they can't get too much in return because they just want rid themselves of the situation and move on.

I wouldn't be surprised if a player (Campbell) and a mid round draft pick (3rd) could be it.

[IndySkin]

...considering this thread. Sorry, but had to do it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/jason-campbell-signs-with-chicago-bears-to-back-up-jay-cutler/2012/03/14/gIQALQmMCS_blog.html

[Chief Redskin]

...considering this thread. Sorry, but had to do it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/jason-campbell-signs-with-chicago-bears-to-back-up-jay-cutler/2012/03/14/gIQALQmMCS_blog.html

Interesting look back. Is it possible we could have made the playoffs last year with Cutler? Probably not and it really doesn't matter now.

[FunBunch5]

Campbell a backup..Huh, who woulda thunk it? I am so glad that guy is gone. I have to admit I didn't even think he would be a backup in 2012, so I guess he was a little better then I thought. Honestly, I would rather have Rex, because we all know he sucks and you can move on quickly. Campbell would string people along with his suckitude. It was like Jason Campbell had a super power, where he would look legit when it didn't count which would paralyze people from making a decision to dump his arse.... In fact I bet his fiance' hasn't dumped him yet and he left her at the alter. What an amazing gift.

[Chief Redskin]

Campbell a backup..Huh, who woulda thunk it? I am so glad that guy is gone. I have to admit I didn't even think he would be a backup in 2012, so I guess he was a little better then I thought. Honestly, I would rather have Rex, because we all know he sucks and you can move on quickly. Campbell would string people along with his suckitude. It was like he had a super power, where he would look legit when it didn't count which would paralyze people from making a decision from dumping his arse.... In fact I bet his fiance' hasn't dumped him yet and he left her at the alter. What an amazing gift.

His fiance is another DC has been. Campbell couldn't lead a Boy Scouts pack through Rock Creek Park.

[IndySkin]

Interesting look back. Is it possible we could have made the playoffs last year with Cutler? Probably not and it really doesn't matter now.

I can think of three games that Grossman lost on his own last season.

Also, Chicago's O-line hasn't been the best (always the argument for Campbell), but they did make it to the NFC title game two years ago. I think Cutler had a little to do with that. Plus Cutler's receivers weren't anything to brag about, much like the excuses that Campbell got.

While it doesn't matter now, I just think it is funny since Cutler has proven to be the more successful of the two, and now Campbell is his backup.

[FunBunch5]

I can think of three games that Grossman lost on his own last season.

Also, Chicago's O-line hasn't been the best (always the argument for Campbell), but they did make it to the NFC title game two years ago. I think Cutler had a little to do with that. Plus Cutler's receivers weren't anything to brag about, much like the excuses that Campbell got.

While it doesn't matter now, I just think it is funny since Cutler has proven to be the more successful of the two, and now Campbell is his backup.

Yes we need a crow thread for the Campbell supporters. They shouldn't get off that easy. :sfight: :)

[wide_awake]

I know this is mostly unrelated but I was looking up old posts and I saw a thread on the 2011 NFL draft. The post after we picked Kerrigan are hilarious. 90% negative.

It's why I get so irritated when people pretend like they know so much more than people like Mike Shanahan.

[redskin_rich]

I know this is mostly unrelated but I was looking up old posts and I saw a thread on the 2011 NFL draft. The post after we picked Kerrigan are hilarious. 90% negative.

It's why I get so irritated when people pretend like they know so much more than people like Mike Shanahan.

Yeah well, while you are revisiting old threads, look up Rex Grossman and John Beck and then say who wear's the dunce cap...

[wide_awake]

Yeah well, while you are revisiting old threads, look up Rex Grossman and John Beck and then say who wear's the dunce cap...

There is a difference between trying to make the best of a sub-par situation and suggesting that an NFL head coach is incompetent. I think it's funny that the people who cite their disapproval of the McNabb trade as a reason for good judgement forget being against the Hankerson pick. Or Kerrigan, or Jenkins, or trading for Jamaal Brown.

The truth is that if we kept a tally of what we all thought of major Redskin and NFL moves we would see that most of us wiff as much as we hit. Except for Cerrato, he truly was an idiot. That was like betting against a drunk black jack dealer.

But it's incredibly fun to speculate and offer perspective, and most people on message boards are overwhelming more knowledgeable than the majority of the fan.

[wide_awake]

Yeah well, while you are revisiting old threads, look up Rex Grossman and John Beck and then say who wear's the dunce cap...

Weren't there very few people who were flat out in support of Rex Grossman? Most "supporters" just said that given the state of the team and alternatives available (Orton for picks, etc) it didn't really matter who started.

I think it's fascinating to dig up old threads and gauge the popular sentiment at the time.

It was pretty unanimous how we thought the trade for Brown was a steal, for example.

[guess88]

Weren't there very few people who were flat out in support of Rex Grossman? Most "supporters" just said that given the state of the team and alternatives available (Orton for picks, etc) it didn't really matter who started.

I think it's fascinating to dig up old threads and gauge the popular sentiment at the time.

It was pretty unanimous how we thought the trade for Brown was a steal, for example.

I was pretty strong on starting Beck last year, but only because I knew neither would likely end up being the starter this year. If we were destined to fail, I'd wanted to see if Beck was anybody worth keeping. Grossman is the exact same QB he was when he was at the Bears.