Akh Blog: Cerrato's Stimulus Package

[akhhorus]

Link (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=656)

Guff on!

[BurgundyNGold]

Great write up. I would like to see us add a cheap, vet Y receiver in FA, if possible.

[akhhorus]

Great write up. I would like to see us add a cheap, vet Y receiver in FA, if possible.

Thanks. Drew Bennett and Ron Curry might make quality acquisitions frankly.

[lorimike]

If 2010 ends up being an uncapped year then couldn't we restructure as many deals as possible to pay the majority of the contract in 2010 and free ourselves from cap issues for years to come? Suppose Haynesworth is everything we thought he could be. Could the skins just give Albert the rest of the guaranteed money and then some for 2010 and free ourselves of any cap implications?

[akhhorus]

If 2010 ends up being an uncapped year then couldn't we restructure as many deals as possible to pay the majority of the contract in 2010 and free ourselves from cap issues for year to come? Suppose Hanyesworth is everthing we thought he could be. Could the skins just give Albert the rest of the guaranteed money and then some for 2010 and free ourselves of any cap implications?

That might be exactly their plan. Rip up his deal, give him a new one that accelerates 30 million or so to the uncapped year.

[skinsfaninva]

Nice write up. As for the Hall re-signing I agree of the risk but I would think that it looks better when you look at the Springs release. If Hall isn't resigned then they probably wouldn't have released Springs.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Good stuff akh. I agree with your grade on the Springs move... which has been the most satisfying move thus far to me.

I'm fine witht he Haynesworth signing when looked at for what it is and hope we get the motivated version for atleast the first 3-4 years of the deal.
I also liked the re-signing of Hall if for no other reason that it forced us to cut Springs and retain Los. If the CBA and the cap disappear doesnt that make Los and JC restricted FA's next year due to length of service?As for Dock, I like the guy and think he'll provide a bit of an upgrade on the L side in the run game. He had shown to be an effective enough pass blocker during his last year here imo and should give time for a guy loke Rhinehart to develop.

I stil think we need a RT, a P and an OLB...all capable of starting. I mean I could only imagine how bad the LB corp would be if Fletcher went down or Rockys knees sidelined him for long. Blades is better suited to back up Fletcher imo and he's really the only depth player that we have that can start.
Hopefully we can maximize our 1st and 3rd round picks to help with the T and the LB or find the money to secure one from the remaining free agents and draft the other.

[Gravy]

Always a joy to read your stuff. As always we have to wait until September to see if it was worth it. Let's hope they ($$$FA) stay healthy this summer

[akhhorus]

Nice write up. As for the Hall re-signing I agree of the risk but I would think that it looks better when you look at the Springs release. If Hall isn't resigned then they probably wouldn't have released Springs.

Probably yes. But I think that if they let Hall bolt, they would have signed a vet CB and dumped Springs.

Good stuff akh. I agree with your grade on the Springs move... which has been the most satisfying move thus far to me.

I'm fine witht he Haynesworth signing when looked at for what it is and hope we get the motivated version for atleast the first 3-4 years of the deal.
I also liked the re-signing of Hall if for no other reason that it forced us to cut Springs and retain Los. If the CBA and the cap disappear doesnt that make Los and JC restricted FA's next year due to length of service?As for Dock, I like the guy and think he'll provide a bit of an upgrade on the L side in the run game. He had shown to be an effective enough pass blocker during his last year here imo and should give time for a guy loke Rhinehart to develop.

Even with that potential development, there's no apparent interest by the skins to resign either one. With Hall's big deal, they have a fig leaf to blame letting rogers walk on.

[shally]

Great write up. I would like to see us add a cheap, vet Y receiver in FA, if possible.

agree. it is still a need. thrash is useless at the receiver position, no matter how good a person he is.

Thanks. Drew Bennett and Ron Curry might make quality acquisitions frankly.

i would add bobby engram to the list since he is so well versed in the WCO. he would be essentially a player/coach

[shally]

Link (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=656)

Guff on!

great write up.. it is transparent that the front office is banking on either the cap going away completely or increasing a whole lot.. that would allow at least a one year purge of contracts that need to be dumped, essentially wiping the slate clean

also, we still clearly need an NFL level punter. no draft picks, perhaps hunter smith ? that will come a little later

and, of course, the wasteland that is the linebacker corps needs to be addressed one way or the other

[akhhorus]

great write up.. it is transparent that the front office is banking on either the cap going away completely or increasing a whole lot.. that would allow at least a one year purge of contracts that need to be dumped, essentially wiping the slate clean

Well, what no one is talking about is that Vinny, personally, put himself out there on this signing more than any other move since he's been here. I would bet that if Haynesworth is a bust, he's fried chicken.

also, we still clearly need an NFL level punter. no draft picks, perhaps hunter smith ? that will come a little later


Haynesworth should punt for us lol

[shally]

Well, what no one is talking about is that Vinny, personally, put himself out there on this signing more than any other move since he's been here. I would bet that if Haynesworth is a bust, he's fried chicken.



Haynesworth should punt for us lol

no question, this offseason has vinny's fingerprints all over it..he has rolled the dice with his career.. even if they have an uncapped year to dump a lot of expensive contracts, if he misses on hall and haynesworth he is going down hard

[Santheb]

As for the other three major moves by the Skins to open free agency:
Re-signing DeAngelo Hall: Another risky move. Hall could be the Hall who looked happy in DC, and that would make giving him such a big deal a good move, since it locks him up in that main CB spot for years. If he reverts to his Oakland days, then the skins will have to eat a massive cap hit to rid themselves of him.

In Hall's defense, he was lined up opposite of Asomugha..which means he was thrown at nearly every passing down. I wouldn't call what he did "reverting", I'd call it being stuck in a horrible situation.

[shally]

In Hall's defense, he was lined up opposite of Asomugha..which means he was thrown at nearly every passing down. I wouldn't call what he did "reverting", I'd call it being stuck in a horrible situation.

also, a lot of it has to do with the scheme they were running. and, having haynesworth should help him a lot because there should be pressure in the qb's face a lot more this yeare

[akhhorus]

In Hall's defense, he was lined up opposite of Asomugha..which means he was thrown at nearly every passing down. I wouldn't call what he did "reverting", I'd call it being stuck in a horrible situation.

Thats correct. He was in a bad scheme with a bullseye on his back. I'll edit.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Good write up AKH. I agree with your opinions. I still think they overpaid for Hall because I think he is somewhat overrated and not a #1 corner. However, I understand he did receive other offers so it was something they had to do. I still think that Rogers is the #1 CB even though he won't get paid like it in 2009. On thing that Vinny has done is address the lines which was the top priority in 2009.

[Patrick]

Nice job there Akh ....... let's hope the overall grade for the three moves made this weekend goes to an solid A.

[shally]

Good write up AKH. I agree with your opinions. I still think they overpaid for Hall because I think he is somewhat overrated and not a #1 corner. However, I understand he did receive other offers so it was something they had to do. I still think that Rogers is the #1 CB even though he won't get paid like it in 2009. On thing that Vinny has done is address the lines which was the top priority in 2009.

if he plays well in 2009, he will get a large contract himself. i think he understands that is the way the redskins work

[akhhorus]

if he plays well in 2009, he will get a large contract himself. i think he understands that is the way the redskins work

And they probably can dump Smoot and Jansen next year to give him 6/40.

[jaylen]

Good write up.

Yeah we outbid ourselves for Hall but the way he and his agent seemed to be acting seemed like they were strictly hunting for money not team fit which also brings me to him as a player.

I view him as a talent who plays undisciplined, who gambles and watches the qb an awful lot. Now the key question with him is his coachability, if gray can do for him what he did for Rogers he could become a top 3 corner in the league he'll smooth out his technique and be sounder especially on the deep ball. With all his speed guys get behind him an awful lot deep because his tecnhique hip turn and body placement are all suspect and his constant peeping in the backfield.

Rogers plays consistently better IMO but he doesn;t know how to play on the ball at all.

Plus Hall is a bad character guy potetially.

Haynesworth could be huge as you mention more for what he does for others than what he does himself.

we appear to need a RT though I'm more incline to train Heyer there and roll with that, I think we'd be alright there with him.

[akhhorus]

Good write up.

Yeah we outbid ourselves for Hall but the way he and his agent seemed to be acting seemed like they were strictly hunting for money not team fit which also brings me to him as a player.

I view him as a talent who plays undisciplined, who gambles and watches the qb an awful lot. Now the key question with him is his coachability, if gray can do for him what he did for Rogers he could become a top 3 corner in the league he'll smooth out his technique and be sounder especially on the deep ball. With all his speed guys get behind him an awful lot deep because his tecnhique hip turn and body placement are all suspect and his constant peeping in the backfield.

I agree, but with the rules on contact and such, thats the kind of CB the skins need--especially with the new realization that you need defensive line talent. No matter how good your Cbs are, you won't be able to cover opposing WRs long or consistent enough to stop them. Hall might give up plays, but he also will create them, and the skins haven't had that for years.

[PyroGenic]

Good write up.

Yeah we outbid ourselves for Hall but the way he and his agent seemed to be acting seemed like they were strictly hunting for money not team fit which also brings me to him as a player.

I view him as a talent who plays undisciplined, who gambles and watches the qb an awful lot. Now the key question with him is his coachability, if gray can do for him what he did for Rogers he could become a top 3 corner in the league he'll smooth out his technique and be sounder especially on the deep ball. With all his speed guys get behind him an awful lot deep because his tecnhique hip turn and body placement are all suspect and his constant peeping in the backfield.

Rogers plays consistently better IMO but he doesn;t know how to play on the ball at all.

Plus Hall is a bad character guy potetially.

Haynesworth could be huge as you mention more for what he does for others than what he does himself.

we appear to need a RT though I'm more incline to train Heyer there and roll with that, I think we'd be alright there with him.

He was disappointing in his appearances last season, even the coaching staff thought Jansen would give us a better chance. We need to draft an OT in the draft, no question about that.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

I'm really feeling like a trade down and Cushing is the best way to go.

[firehawk157]

I think we can get by with a 3rd rounder at OLB since they'll be playing behind Haynesworth and beside Fletcher and it's much easier to hide a mediocre LB than it is a mediocre tackle. Let's invest the pick in a tackle because you just can't hide a poor tackle.

[akhhorus]

I think we can get by with a 3rd rounder at OLB since they'll be playing behind Haynesworth and beside Fletcher and it's much easier to hide a mediocre LB than it is a mediocre tackle. Let's invest the pick in a tackle because you just can't hide a poor tackle.

Good point. We can get a Tyrone McKenzie type in round 3 and let Haynesworth clear the lanes for him.

[jaylen]

I agree, but with the rules on contact and such, thats the kind of CB the skins need--especially with the new realization that you need defensive line talent. No matter how good your Cbs are, you won't be able to cover opposing WRs long or consistent enough to stop them. Hall might give up plays, but he also will create them, and the skins haven't had that for years.

Yeah I feel the same way that Hall can change a game with a pick something we just don't have. I think we need to get Landry down in the box as well. I think he could be a disruptor in their more so than playing back deep. Horton played well in the box but I think Landry could be even more special should be something we consider.

He was disappointing in his appearances last season, even the coaching staff thought Jansen would give us a better chance. We need to draft an OT in the draft, no question about that.

I think Jansen was viewed as the run blocking guy because our game plan was so conservative Heyer was better pass blocking. I think heyer with added work and a focus just at RT could be decent.

[shally]

And they probably can dump Smoot and Jansen next year to give him 6/40.

exactly my thinking.. jansen will come off the books next year.. smoot at 4 mil for this year is no bargain, but unless tryon has been taking HGH this offseason, we still need smoot as #3

He was disappointing in his appearances last season, even the coaching staff thought Jansen would give us a better chance. We need to draft an OT in the draft, no question about that.

this would appear to be the year to look for an offensive linemen- even tackles look plentiful

[akhhorus]

Yeah I feel the same way that Hall can change a game with a pick something we just don't have. I think we need to get Landry down in the box as well. I think he could be a disruptor in their more so than playing back deep. Horton played well in the box but I think Landry could be even more special should be something we consider.


Agreed. They should take advantage of the holes Haynesworth should open for everyone in the back 7 to blitz/attack.

[shally]

Agreed. They should take advantage of the holes Haynesworth should open for everyone in the back 7 to blitz/attack.

if they cant, or wont because of blache's schemes-- shame on them !

we should be able to attack offenses a whole lot better with haynesworth tying up multiple blockers

[skinfan43]

exactly my thinking.. jansen will come off the books next year.. smoot at 4 mil for this year is no bargain, but unless tryon has been taking HGH this offseason, we still need smoot as #3



this would appear to be the year to look for an offensive linemen- even tackles look plentiful
Hey Doc shally, how long does it take that stuff to be out of your system for a drug test anyway? ;)

Have a feeling there's another move or two to come via FA... i'd like to see us bring in Amani Toomer at WR and either Richmond native Paris Lenon, Cato June, or Crowell as a LB upgrade. Still need to draft OL, LB, and DL, but lets see what happens next

Nice write up Mr. Author, btw ;-)

[shally]

Hey Doc shally, how long does it take that stuff to be out of your system for a drug test anyway? ;)

Have a feeling there's another move or two to come via FA... i'd like to see us bring in Amani Toomer at WR and either Richmond native Paris Lenon, Cato June, or Crowell as a LB upgrade. Still need to draft OL, LB, and DL, but lets see what happens next

Nice write up Mr. Author, btw ;-)

good question.. the testing is pretty sophisticated these days.. not sure how long it is detectable

we have more moves to come.. particularly a vet LB and maybe a second tier OL player.. but i dont expect anything for a while

quite a few LB's still out there. receivers, too. there will be winners and losers for sure in this year's free agency lottery..

[akhhorus]

good question.. the testing is pretty sophisticated these days.. not sure how long it is detectable

I think I have to admit, Shally prescribes me the performance enhancers I take to write these columns.

we have more moves to come.. particularly a vet LB and maybe a second tier OL player.. but i dont expect anything for a while

quite a few LB's still out there. receivers, too. there will be winners and losers for sure in this year's free agency lottery..

I think the skins are going to go bargain hunting, and see who's desperate in a couple weeks.

[shally]

I think I have to admit, Shally prescribes me the performance enhancers I take to write these columns.



I think the skins are going to go bargain hunting, and see who's desperate in a couple weeks.
exactly.. we have shown ourselves to be capable of waiting out lesser tier players.
that will happen again this year..

in the interest of full disclosure, i must admit that i wouldnt provide anything for Akh i havent previously taken myself.... you might notice a certain similarity in our peculiarities.......lol.....................

[sinskin]

I think its iteresting that Hall didn't sign on until probably he knew about AH! Tells me alot about our pass rush this year.

[skinsfan36]

nice job akh. agree with the grades. i think rogers gets paid next year especially if he hangs onto some picks

[skinsfan36]

i think we go bargain hunting also.
i think we probably bring back khary campbell at the least. probably fincher,geisinger,green,doughty to vet min deals to at least compete in camp. daniels probably will come back after he gets no interest.
we could get a linebacker like dd lewis for cheap especially if he wants a chance to start(stuck behind peterson,hill in sea). and new englands punter or hunter smith.

we could also dump thrash for 800 k and sign engram for a lil less than a million if hes take it.

corners we could always sign madison or surtain to be the dimebacks for a year

[silverspring]

One thing no one is addressing is what happens if we don't have the uncapped year? Is it that much of a certainty?

[firehawk157]

One thing no one is addressing is what happens if we don't have the uncapped year? Is it that much of a certainty?
It depends on who you ask. JLC seems to think it's not going to happen whereas Peter King isn't so sure.

[BurgundyNGold]

It depends on who you ask. JLC seems to think it's not going to happen whereas Peter King isn't so sure.
I think that the more that teams prepare for it the more is might become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Take, Snyderrato, for example. Clearly, Snyderrato is writing the current contracts to take full advantage of the "resetting" effect that an uncapped year could have on the Redskins' cap. In fact, one might argue that the uncapped year is to our advantage so, when the time comes to vote about it, Snyderrato will be voting for an uncapped year. The more other teams prepare for it, the more they will see it as being to their advantage to have that single uncapped year. It might very well be too late to get enough votes to stop the uncapped year in 2010.

I think that once the 2007 season ended (and the 2008 season ended for sure) without something being done about the uncapped year in 2010, it became pretty likely that it would come to pass.

[MadDog97]

OK, so now we have a solid tackle and corners look good on paper. What about locker room chemistry? I see a lot of leaders out and some potential problems coming in the door.

We tend to neglect this annually to the team's demise.

[Hr fan]

Great write-up. On a philosophical level, tho, it seems to me that the "1 player away", personal relationship with the owner that destroys the chain of command, and the counter-Gibbs (need a strong and united team with no trouble-makers) locker room philosophy haven't been addressed. While everyone realizes that AH and Hall are risks in terms of their performance now they have large contracts, IMO the potential cost in team unity may be larger. (it's funny how teams that are prudent about such things, such as Pgh and NE for example, are the powerhouses - just coincidence I guess.)

Btw, as I have posted in other threads, Bolen, Snyder, Jones, the Jets (and consequently the Giants) appear headed towards negative votes on any agreement that doesn't include the uncapped year. It only takes 9.

[silverspring]

I think that the more that teams prepare for it the more is might become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Take, Snyderrato, for example. Clearly, Snyderrato is writing the current contracts to take full advantage of the "resetting" effect that an uncapped year could have on the Redskins' cap. In fact, one might argue that the uncapped year is to our advantage so, when the time comes to vote about it, Snyderrato will be voting for an uncapped year. The more other teams prepare for it, the more they will see it as being to their advantage to have that single uncapped year. It might very well be too late to get enough votes to stop the uncapped year in 2010.

I think that once the 2007 season ended (and the 2008 season ended for sure) without something being done about the uncapped year in 2010, it became pretty likely that it would come to pass.

That perspective makes sense and it is hard not to imagine at least a large increase in the cap, but other than snyder, are there really many other teams doing this, because I can't think of many, maybe dallas. There seem to be quite a few teams that have a glut of cap space, would be in their interest to stick it to the skins and vote against it?

I guess in a sense that the cheap owners might be all for it because i believe then that the requirement to pay out x percentage of the cap would be gone.

[Battle Cat]

If there is an uncapped year next year then you better believe that what ever CBA the players sign will include a large jump in the salary cap. The players will threaten never having a cap again the owners will threaten a similar cap to what they have now and they will meet somewhere in the middle. Add in the fact it will be a new Union head looking to prove himself and they could possible be in negotiations for a very long time.

And even if there is an agreement before an uncapped year in 2010, Snyder, Jones, Davis and maybe a couple of more owners will hold out on signing on without a special concession made for contracts signed this year.

[shally]

If there is an uncapped year next year then you better believe that what ever CBA the players sign will include a large jump in the salary cap. The players will threaten never having a cap again the owners will threaten a similar cap to what they have now and they will meet somewhere in the middle. Add in the fact it will be a new Union head looking to prove himself and they could possible be in negotiations for a very long time.

And even if there is an agreement before an uncapped year in 2010, Snyder, Jones, Davis and maybe a couple of more owners will hold out on signing on without a special concession made for contracts signed this year.


i dont think there will ever be a cap again, if it is allowed to expire