Jason Taylor cut

[akhhorus]

Hmm

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/jason_reid_writesem_it_seems.html)


Whenever I spoke with Taylor last season, I got the sense that he could not have been any unhappier with the Redskins. I know he missed his family in Miami, but there was something bigger going on with him. He's clearly a bright guy, several of his teammates said, and he realized early on there were problems with the organization that he did not realize at the time of the trade.

[skinsfan36]

Hmm

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/jason_reid_writesem_it_seems.html)

cry me a river your making 8.5 million. that should make him half happy

[Tha Boss Hogg]

cry me a river your making 8.5 million. that should make him half happy

I would like to think so...

[silverspring]

cry me a river your making 8.5 million. that should make him half happy

Exactly. Screw him, he showed up out of football shape, and he knew when he signed it was to play LDE.

We should have never made this trade to begin with, it was extremely high cost and high risk and we were trying to fit a round peg in a square whole.

[JasonCampbell]

Hmm

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/jason_reid_writesem_it_seems.html)

Just like I take what Larry Michael says with a grain of salt, the same is true with JLC and Jason Reid.

[shally]

cry me a river your making 8.5 million. that should make him half happy

exactly.. poor poor jason...

give me a break

[skinfan43]

Just like I take what Larry Michael says with a grain of salt, the same is true with JLC and Jason Reid.
Yeah, that whole statement sounded like a bunch of contrived BS, as we all know JLC and Reid are not exactly brimming with Redskins love...

Say it with me... #13 for Peppers and a 2nd...

[akhhorus]

JLC writes that Taylor basically thought that the franchise is a mess(which almost certainly means that Taylor told him that off the record), and the reaction is to accuse Taylor of whining and JLC of bias? O....k.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Yeah, that whole statement sounded like a bunch of contrived BS, as we all know JLC and Reid are not exactly brimming with Redskins love...

Say it with me... #13 for Peppers and a 2nd...

No way the give us Peppers and a 2nd round, they would be stupid to do that... :thinker:

[PA skins fan]

i like #13 for peppers and a 2nd

[skins4life24]

i would like to see us go for taucher and babin with the extra money and still focus on lb in the draft unless we can trade back because at 13 i think orakapo will already be off the board we could still get ray.

[skinfan43]

No way the give us Peppers and a 2nd round, they would be stupid to do that... :thinker:
I think they just might, they truly are in cap hell, have ZERO room and Peppers wants out so bad he refuses to sign the franchise tender worth over $16 million for one season! I think Carolina realizes this could get messy with holdout implications, and they need some cap wiggle room as well. So they get our #13 pick to use on a DE to replace Peppers aa well as $16.7 mil of cap room; we get Peppers (who we have to pay big $$ to that Carolina cant, dont forget) and a 2nd rounder. Sounds fair to me...

[skinfan43]

JLC writes that Taylor basically thought that the franchise is a mess(which almost certainly means that Taylor told him that off the record), and the reaction is to accuse Taylor of whining and JLC of bias? O....k.
Because everything JLC says is legitimate. No spin from sportswriters. No siree. Just playing devil's advocate...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Did the Bucs sign Derrick Ward anyone?
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=2925&line=140587&spln=1

[akhhorus]

Because everything JLC says is legitimate. No spin from sportswriters. No siree. Just playing devil's advocate...

So, assuming Taylor told him off the record that he thought the skins were a total mess management wise(which is a safe assumption), what exactly should JLC write today? His job is to give what he hears as the back story, and the skins official statements are always bull crap.

[skinfan43]

Did the Bucs sign Derrick Ward anyone?
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=2925&line=140587&spln=1
Yes they did.
Got less than I thought he would.
So how much under the cap are we total right now after the JT release? Like $10 mil?

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

I believe the Skins asked him something they knew he would refuse so it wouldn't look like they cut him without reason.

staying in town 3 days a week and working out with his teammates is something he should do for team chemistry.how about all the other guys who don't like it,but do it anyway?to hell with him if he does'nt want to work out 3 days a week in dc in the offseason.the skins have done some crappy things,but JT needs to grow a set and step up.he has'nt done that since he's been in dc.

[skinfan43]

So, assuming Taylor told him off the record that he thought the skins were a total mess management wise(which is a safe assumption), what exactly should JLC write today? His job is to give what he hears as the back story, and the skins official statements are always bull crap.
I know that's his job, but i'm also not going to assume Taylor told him anything like that off the record. It's easy to say a guy misses his family, players think he's bright, and that there are problems in the organization (SPIN). Sounds alot like issues for every player and every team in the league to me.

PFT, KFFL, Rotoworld all have more interesting Skins tidbits than JLC or Redskins.com could ever muster, without the bias.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Yes they did.
Got less than I thought he would.
So how much under the cap are we total right now after the JT release? Like $10 mil?

11.5 I think???

[akhhorus]

I know that's his job, but i'm also not going to assume Taylor told him anything like that off the record. It's easy to say a guy misses his family, players think he's bright, and that there are problems in the organization (SPIN). Sounds alot like issues for every player and every team in the league to me.

Trust me, no reporter would have written that unless the person in question said it to him. Thats code for saying that Taylor said it off the record and JLC isn't going to burn him.

[skinsfaninva]

i like #13 for peppers and a 2nd

That is what I am feeling. Then give Peppers a deal like AH. Don't know what the cap hit is for AH but Skins guy is the best in the league at working the cap numbers.

Then with the #2 pick up an o-line man and #3 go with OLB.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

i'd like to see the skins move their lbs around,and sign ray lewis.yes i am crazy,but can you imagine lewis,london,and the kid from usc in the same defensive line of scrimmage?that would be awesome.

[csquared]

i'd like to see the skins move their lbs around,and sign ray lewis.yes i am crazy,but can you imagine lewis,london,and the kid from usc in the same defensive line of scrimmage?that would be awesome.

No..... Ray Lewis is a shell of his former self.

[akhhorus]

i'd like to see the skins move their lbs around,and sign ray lewis.yes i am crazy,but can you imagine lewis,london,and the kid from usc in the same defensive line of scrimmage?that would be awesome.

I'd hope that either Lewis or the Kid from USC can play RT....

[skinfan43]

11.5 I think???
If so that's better than i thought... man, a good FA SLB or OT is pretty important right about now... cant expect that Snyderatto will actually DRAFT anyone that'll pan out well... i think we need Crowell or June, and Tauscher or Barnes ASAP. A Peppers deal would be icing on the cake, but not expected...

[csquared]

staying in town 3 days a week and working out with his teammates is something he should do for team chemistry.how about all the other guys who don't like it,but do it anyway?to hell with him if he does'nt want to work out 3 days a week in dc in the offseason.the skins have done some crappy things,but JT needs to grow a set and step up.he has'nt done that since he's been in dc.

So are you going to say the same about Portis and Moss when they work out in Miami instead of DC?

[Red Bear]

PFT, KFFL, Rotoworld all have more interesting Skins tidbits than JLC or Redskins.com could ever muster, without the bias.

KFFL and Rotoworld are fantasy football news wire sites. they get their info from JLC/WP, Redskins.com, WashTimes, etc. they dont actually report anything, just share tidbits of what others have reported. PFT is primarily based off what others report as well, with the exception of some rumors and rumblings, all things posted have links, but unlike KFFL and Rotoworld, Florio(and staff) put their own thoughts down on it via blog entry. So essentially youre getting the same reports just from a different site via news wire/blog...

[coffdogg]

IMO, the skins should do


Sign Demetric Evans
Sign Angelo Crowell
Sign Hunter Smith
Sign Khalif Barnes or Ray Willis
Draft Orakpo or Trade down out of 13th pick
I like all the moves but D. Evans. I think his worth is as a part time player not a starter

[GloryHog]

Hmm

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/jason_reid_writesem_it_seems.html)

I think the work out situation was just the iceing on the cake. I believe the real reason is that Taylor wanted out of here, otherwise something could have been worked out to make him more cap friendly. If he had wanted to be a Redskin ,I think he would still be here. If he was going to be disguntled, we're better of without him.

[silverspring]

JLC writes that Taylor basically thought that the franchise is a mess(which almost certainly means that Taylor told him that off the record), and the reaction is to accuse Taylor of whining and JLC of bias? O....k.

First of all JLC is biased, that is basically a fact at this point and you have pointed it out numerous times yourself.

Secondly, everyone knows that this organization is a mess and how they operate. Taylor should know better than anyone, it is the only reason taylor got 9 million bucks for 3.5 sacks last year. No other team was stupid enough to pay him what we did, so he hardly has any ground to stand on.

Taylor was just given his golden ticket to sackland in haynesworth, what does he have to complain about? It is too much to ask of him to show up to OTAs and actually be in football shape before the season starts?

[akhhorus]

First of all JLC is biased, that is basically a fact at this point and you have pointed it out numerous times yourself.

Please show where I said that JLC would spike an article on bias.

And this isn't related to what I actually said. If he's fabricating, Taylor could openly or privately make him look really bad.

Secondly, everyone knows that this organization is a mess and how they operate. Taylor should know better than anyone, it is the only reason taylor got 9 million bucks for 3.5 sacks last year. No other team was stupid enough to pay him what we did, so he hardly has any ground to stand on.

So, if a franchise makes a bad move, they're a mess? So, there's 32 franchises that are a mess now?

Taylor was just given his golden ticket to sackland in haynesworth, what does he have to complain about? It is too much to ask of him to show up to OTAs and actually be in football shape before the season starts?

If you believe that the workouts clause was the reason, I have a bridge to sell you.

[PA skins fan]

im really not a big fan of tauscher(spelling???) or Barnes, they arent much of an upgrade over heyer. our best scenerio would be picking up crowell, and possibly evens then drafting a RT

[skinfan43]

KFFL and Rotoworld are fantasy football news wire sites. they get their info from JLC/WP, Redskins.com, WashTimes, etc. they dont actually report anything, just share tidbits of what others have reported. PFT is primarily based off what others report as well, with the exception of some rumors and rumblings, all things posted have links, but unlike KFFL and Rotoworld, Florio(and staff) put their own thoughts down on it via blog entry. So essentially youre getting the same reports just from a different site via news wire/blog...
But often they get the reports before JLC/WP/WTIMES do, lol! We all know that. Plus, here's an example of what i mean about interesting "tidbits" (NOT reporting, as i never alluded to that):
Rotoworld: Bucs agreed to terms with RB Derrick Ward on a four-year, $17 million contract with $6 million guaranteed.
The move deals a big blow to Earnest Graham's projected role and may cost Cadillac Williams a roster spot. Ward, 28, has experience running behind the zone blocks OC Jeff Jagodzinski will use and is more explosive than Graham. Ward led the NFL in YPC average last year among backs with 84+ carries, and caught 41 passes. While a committee is certain, Ward is probably the best bet to start behind Tampa Bay's young, highly talented offensive line.
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/home_NFL.aspx

Those are interesting tidbits, IMO... and often those sites beat the WP/WT with Redskins breaking news to boot. Happens all the time

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

I gotta believe the Skins set up this situation to get rid of him. Not that I mind, however. Didn't fit the system and he may be in real decline.

If the Skins bring in Crowell, Willis & Hunter Smith that will be a good way to spend some of it. Gotta save some needs for the draft though. DE would appear to be the top need if Willis isn't signed.

[shally]

I gotta believe the Skins set up this situation to get rid of him. Not that I mind, however. Didn't fit the system and he may be in real decline.

If the Skins bring in Crowell, Willis & Hunter Smith that will be a good way to spend some of it. Gotta save some needs for the draft though. DE would appear to be the top need if Willis isn't signed.

they didnt even need to go through that charade.. all they had to do was say, thank you, and good bye. this is about something that just came up, whatever it was...

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

they didnt even need to go through that charade.. all they had to do was say, thank you, and good bye. this is about something that just came up, whatever it was...
True - could have handled it with more class. I guess they were trying to save face after publicly stating they wanted him back at full salary in '09. More crap from the FO, we should be used to it.

[silverspring]

Please show where I said that JLC would spike an article on bias.

And this isn't related to what I actually said. If he's fabricating, Taylor could openly or privately make him look really bad.



So, if a franchise makes a bad move, they're a mess? So, there's 32 franchises that are a mess now?



If you believe that the workouts clause was the reason, I have a bridge to sell you.

You are telling me you don't think jlc is biased and often very subjective?

i am saying that taylor should know we are mess because of the pattern of bad moves and wasted money on expensive old free agents that were has beens. Taylor was just another in that long line of mistakes. The point is he benefited from the redskins being a mess and our foolish spending and yet now he is whining about it. Taylor was looking for a pay day and nothing else when he came here and he got it big time.

Maybe the workout clause isn't the entire reason, but then what else would it be? It certainly isn't the money or what this team was willing to put out for him. With the addition of haynesworth, it can't be that he won't be playing on an exciting defense that gives him opportunities to make plays. So what does he have to whine about? His ethics won't let him play for a team where the front office has problems? Give me a break. He owes this team, he even acknowledged at one point towards the end of the season the redskins weren't getting their money's worth out of him.

if he won't commit to attending part of OTA's he just proves he could careless about football. He was a mistake to begin with and I am just glad to be rid of him.

[akhhorus]

You are telling me you don't think jlc is biased and often very subjective?

It doesn't matter. He wouldn't write something like that going out on a limb when Taylor could shoot it down fairly easily.

i am saying that taylor should know we are mess because of the pattern of bad moves and wasted money on expensive old free agents that were has beens. Taylor was just another in that long line of mistakes. The point is he benefited from the redskins being a mess and our foolish spending and yet now he is whining about it. Taylor was looking for a pay day and nothing else when he came here and he got it big time.

So, Jason Taylor had to come to DC and spend time in Redskins park to find out something that anyone who watches sportscenter could think?

Maybe the workout clause isn't the entire reason, but then what else would it be? It certainly isn't the money or what this team was willing to put out for him. With the addition of haynesworth, it can't be that he won't be playing on an exciting defense that gives him opportunities to make plays. So what does he have to whine about? His ethics won't let him play for a team where the front office has problems? Give me a break. He owes this team, he even acknowledged at one point towards the end of the season the redskins weren't getting their money's worth out of him.

Its not Taylor wanting out of DC, but the skins wanting to dump him. Asking him to do that workout clause, when they tolerate other players' offseason nonsense for years is absurd.

if he won't commit to attending part of OTA's he just proves he could careless about football. He was a mistake to begin with and I am just glad to be rid of him.

See above.

[Axegrinder]

Forgive me for not reading anything but the 1st page and this one, but every time this organization takes a step forward, it also ends up taking two steps back.

Didn't the team say that they played JT out of position last season, and they planned to play to his strengths this season? Why give up a legitimate pass rusher? I believe that these guys truly don't get it. Sure JT (and his $8million) was on his last legs, but we still need a pass rush.

[shally]

Forgive me for not reading anything but the 1st page and this one, but every time this organization takes a step forward, it also ends up taking two steps back.

Didn't the team say that they played JT out of position last season, and they planned to play to his strengths this season? Why give up a legitimate pass rusher? I believe that these guys truly don't get it. Sure JT (and his $8million) was on his last legs, but we still need a pass rush.

A. they want his cap space

B. one would assume they feel they can replace his 3.5 sacks with wilson/buzbee/jackson or someone in the draft ??

all these pages in between 1 and this last one are about us fans conjecturing WHO it is they want to use his cap space for.. little else makes any sense

[joethefan]

what aout cato june....from the area and someone I know....

[shally]

what aout cato june....from the area and someone I know....

he is one..

add to the list
crowell
brooks
dd lewis
legion

i bet agents are on the phone to vinny in droves trying to get some of that 8 million for their clients

[skinfan43]

Well we'd have to both give Peppers a bunch of that money and convince him he's not "maxed out", apparently:

Will Pariots make a play for Julius Peppers?
With the money they saved by sending Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs, there is talk the New England Patriots could spend some of it by trying to obtain Julius Peppers, the unhappy and franchised Carolina Panther, according to the Boston Herald.
Peppers has already said he would accept a trade to the Dallas Cowboys, two teams in the NFC South, and one in the AFC. According to the report, Many believe the AFC team is the Patriots, who are considered the holy grail of virtually every title-starved veteran. Making matters even more interesting is that the Cowboys lack a first-round pick and the Panthers would prefer not to trade Peppers within the division, leaving the mystery AFC team with an advantage.
The four-time Pro Bowler is a pass rushing demon who already has said he's "maxed out" in the 4-3 and would like to switch to outside linebacker in a 3-4.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Will-Pariots-make-a-play-for-Julius-Peppers-?urn=nfl,145065

[shally]

Well we'd have to both give Peppers a bunch of that money and convince him he's not "maxed out", apparently:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Will-Pariots-make-a-play-for-Julius-Peppers-?urn=nfl,145065

just say no..

i am sure blache would just love to have a DL who says he is maxed out and want to play in another scheme..

pass

let's pick up some nice mid priced talent to fill out our roster and needs

hunter smith P
crowell/june LB
berry DE
willis/tauscher T

a parlay with some of the above would set the table for a solid draft

[SkinsKY]

Not willing to show up at 64% of off-season workouts. I guess so :(

64% doesn't even graduate high school. Taylor's lame. But Vinny's lame too, but I don't know which one bothers me more. Oh well, maybe we'll sign someone I care about.

[shally]

64% doesn't even graduate high school. Taylor's lame. But Vinny's lame too, but I don't know which one bothers me more. Oh well, maybe we'll sign someone I care about.

that was just an excuse


this has to be about money, not offseason workouts..besides, are we gonna cut portis who was quoted a while back as saying maybe he would, and maybe he wouldnt ??

[silverspring]

just say no..

i am sure blache would just love to have a DL who says he is maxed out and want to play in another scheme..

pass

let's pick up some nice mid priced talent to fill out our roster and needs

hunter smith P
crowell/june LB
berry DE
willis/tauscher T

a parlay with some of the above would set the table for a solid draft


agree. This money could easily go to fill our linebacker/OT need and then we could just draft a DE to take his spot.

[csquared]

that was just an excuse


this has to be about money, not offseason workouts..besides, are we gonna cut portis who was quoted a while back as saying maybe he would, and maybe he wouldnt ??

Nah we will just give him a pass like usual.

[thetrueyoung1]

I don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but PFT is reporting DeAngelo Hall's deal wasn't signed until monday after they released Taylor.

Does this mean we really don't have the $8.5 million to sign other free agents and need the money Taylor we got by cutting Talyor to sing Hall?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/03/hall-deal-wasnt-signed-until-monday/

[sinskin]

i am telling you all, this is not about depth players.. this is about someone big

maybe we are trading campbell to the broncos and need the cap space to sign cutler to a new deal ??? (ducks and backs away slowly...............)

I haven't read anything beyond this... lol

But, I would kiss you on the mouth if that happened... so you should do the appropriate thing and pray this doesnt happen lol!!

[Patrick]

I don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but PFT is reporting DeAngelo Hall's deal wasn't signed until monday after they released Taylor.

Does this mean we really don't have the $8.5 million to sign other free agents and need the money Taylor we got by cutting Talyor to sing Hall?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/03/hall-deal-wasnt-signed-until-monday/

NOW there's an interesting thought ................. And if I'm not mistaken, Dock wasn't sign during the weekend either.

[smoak]

The Redskins should take to flushing their draft picks. It might be more productive... I hated this deal at the time for the exact reason it was a flop.... We were not a good enough team to plug in on e star and assume we'd win it all.

But I am tired of complaining and don't care much any more.

[Hr fan]

So basically we threw away another draft pick!!!

Two - but who's counting. The kicker could be that AH's decision to come here over TB was based on us having more pieces in place (his words), and that he meant a pass rush from outside based on JT. 6 weeks to draft and we have already lost the piece before we are called upon to pay for it. Sheer chance means that there must be a right move in Snyderrato, but when?

[Hr fan]

If he's there, or Michael Johnson. But it doesn't make sense if they aren't fixing the RT spot.



Too low ball for that much cash. They clearly provoked Taylor into giving them a reason to dump him.

Do they really think this conceals their incompetence? Who is dumb enough to believe that (except Snyderatto)?

[BurgundyNGold]

Hmm

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/jason_reid_writesem_it_seems.html)
It's stuff like this that JLC reports that makes me wonder about that supposed axe he has to grind with the FO.

[Hr fan]

if taylor proved one thing last year, it was that he is no LDE in blache's schemes

What happened to coaches that could adapt their schemes to maximize the talent available to them?

[Gravy]

...Is it Peppers (and for what do we give up for him), is it Ray Lewis, Is it cheap vet fill-ins, or is there something(one) that the DaVinny Code has in mind...BTW I love the love that Hunter Smith is getting

[Gravy]

NOW there's an interesting thought ................. And if I'm not mistaken, Dock wasn't sign during the weekend either.

...or did it have to do with this...I can see that mentality from "our" boys, lets get AH in here and we'll figure out on Monday where to get some more money....in which Danny says to Vinny, "Hey lets use the ole "workout" clause that we've wanted to use before when we needed some extra cash."

[Hr fan]

i dont know about that. he played at vandy, not exactly a team known for the WCO


i will say this much.. if he IS acquired, someone obviously thinks HE CAN run a WCO

Now you've scared the $#@%^& out of me. Given the absolute talent for selecting names that DON'T fit their scheme (JT being only the latest example)... And their genius for overpaying by sending draft choices away for nothing. (Yells in sheer terror!!!)

[Redskin4Life]

...or did it have to do with this...I can see that mentality from "our" boys, lets get AH in here and we'll figure out on Monday where to get some more money....in which Danny says to Vinny, "Hey lets use the ole "workout" clause that we've wanted to use before when we needed some extra cash."
Have we all forgotten that Springs was released on Friday? Maybe he wasn't "officially" off our books till Monday, hence the need for Dock and Hall to sign on Monday. It could also be that they wanted Haynesworth's presser on it's own day. And both Dock and Hall on another. Theatrics... and that sounds a lot more like Dan and Vin.

Oh by the way, there's an article from Yahoo talking about how all three of these guys (along with Portis from last year which the writer conveniently forgot) have the workout clause in their contracts. Seems like they were going to do a typical "restructure" with JT but he balked cause they added a clause that's becoming standard for our team. Maybe this is more on JT than on our FO.

[Hr fan]

wait it out.. even a stopped clock is right twice a day...:)

LMAO! Cogent!

[Hr fan]

I want to shoot Vinny Cerrato......

If we did it en masse then we might get away with it, saving the argument that it was justified (a winner IMO).

[BurgundyNGold]

i dont know about that. he played at vandy, not exactly a team known for the WCO


i will say this much.. if he IS acquired, someone obviously thinks HE CAN run a WCO
Technically, Shannihan's offense is a WCO. It's run heavy for sure, but his lineage is WCO. In that way, it is conceptually like what we ran last year.

Now you've scared the $#@%^& out of me. Given the absolute talent for selecting names that DON'T fit their scheme (JT being only the latest example)... And their genius for overpaying by sending draft choices away for nothing. (Yells in sheer terror!!!)
Of course, it remains to be seen if Cutler can run a WCO effectively. Folks in Denver might say that he can't.

[warpaint]

NOW there's an interesting thought ................. And if I'm not mistaken, Dock wasn't sign during the weekend either.

i was thinking that for a team to make an offer to a player that they had to be below cap with that amount with the league prior to making the offer, not sure of this though .

[BurgundyNGold]

If we did it en masse then we might get away with it, saving the argument that it was justified (a winner IMO).
I have been talked out of using violence to solve this problem by shally, but if I *were* to propose a fantasy, never-should-happen situation like that, I would only give 1 bullet out to the 100s of people involved. The rest would be blanks. That way, the case wouldn't be prosecutable because of the inherent and overwhelming reasonable doubt, lol.

[Ibleedburgundy]

The Redskins should take to flushing their draft picks. It might be more productive... I hated this deal at the time for the exact reason it was a flop.... We were not a good enough team to plug in on e star and assume we'd win it all.

But I am tired of complaining and don't care much any more.

oh stop it. You know you bleed burgundy as much as any of us. You've been moping around the message board for Months now.

For everyone's sake, just drink the kool aid. 19-0 here we come baby! We got a DT! :)

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

So are you going to say the same about Portis and Moss when they work out in Miami instead of DC?


no because they work out in dc 3 days a week.if taylor is too lazy to do that,i'm glad he's gone.you win and lose as a team,you should also train as one no matter if it's the highest paid or lowest paid player on the team.

[Hr fan]

I have been talked out of using violence to solve this problem by shally, but if I *were* to propose a fantasy, never-should-happen situation like that, I would only give 1 bullet out to the 100s of people involved. The rest would be blanks. That way, the case wouldn't be prosecutable because of the inherent and overwhelming reasonable doubt, lol.

Inspired! Where do we sign up?

[akhhorus]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/02/AR2009030201933.html


Also, Taylor did not mesh well with Blache, who apparently was not in favor of acquiring the six-time Pro Bowl pick, team sources said. During a 24-10 loss to Baltimore in December, Taylor was disciplined and pulled from the game because he deviated from the scheme.

Thanks Blache.

[shally]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/02/AR2009030201933.html



Thanks Blache.

lo alexander also had some problems.. but he was young enough to have the fear of God put into him

[colkurtz]

This was about the money. I've said the team would not keep players who won't re-structure. Springs is gone, now Taylor. Personally I think for the huge money and the fact that JT had showed up last season out-of-shape, he should be forced to workout with the team.

This entire Jason Taylor saga was a fiasco because the Redskins placed all their DE hopes on Daniels and his 35 year-old legs. Then they had to scramble and make a panic buy; Vinny got abused by the Tuna. Frankly I'm glad to see him go.

I still think that a DE draft pick on the first day is a possibility. I agree with Shally that this $8 mill will be used for something big, not for a couple of depth guys. I like the Cutler tade but it seems complicated and if it got out early, then Campbell would know he's on the trading block.

[colkurtz]

I'd rather draft for a good DE who will cost far less, and can be trained up under Blache and AH. We can get a young buck who can get 3.5 sacks. ....

Ok, I forgot that it's Vinny doing the drafting. Throw those darts!

[shally]

I'd rather draft for a good DE who will cost far less, and can be trained up under Blache and AH. We can get a young buck who can get 3.5 sacks. ....

Ok, I forgot that it's Vinny doing the drafting. Throw those darts!

tight ends, tight ends....

[VegasSkinsFan]

Another name to throw around for something big could be Boldin. Either way, if it is something big...idont think we are going to have to wait much longer.

[csquared]

no because they work out in dc 3 days a week.if taylor is too lazy to do that,i'm glad he's gone.you win and lose as a team,you should also train as one no matter if it's the highest paid or lowest paid player on the team.

Really? I think not. Portis i believe may have stayed last year but that was the first time he had. Moss wouldn't even answer his phone for Campbell. So no your wrong again!!!!

[SkinsFan#26]

i really believe that Jason taylor doesn't want to play football anymore......besides he is too soft for NFC EAST action anyway !

[TrueOracle]

I like the Cutler tade but it seems complicated and if it got out early, then Campbell would know he's on the trading block.

At some point you have to believe that the smoke you're seeing suggests there's a fire. Moreover, it's coming from a crackpipe in the front office.

The front office resembles nothing more than drunk unicyclist with vertigo heading down the GW Parkway.

Last years draft paid huge dividends... Last year's trades for draft picks were even better. Sometimes it ain't them -- it's HIM!!!! I can't believe I have 3 more years left on this season tix contract.

[silverspring]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/02/AR2009030201933.html



Thanks Blache.

Should blache has changed his entire scheme because of one stop gap player? Blache was right he didn't fit, why we tried to put a 245 pound RDE at LDE on an already light line, makes no sense.

I know you have been championing taylor all season but it was a bad trade. He cost us a lot and didn't make a sense. It was a consensus on this board that when this trade was made we needed 2 years of double digit sacks to make it worth it. It wasn't even close. Even if you say well that isn't fair he was only healthy half the season, still he couldn't even get 5 sacks.
But the biggest problem is clearly his committment or lack there of to the team.

They didn't ask him to take a pay cut, they didn't want to take a nickel off the table, but Jason made a decision to where he just wanted to be with his family," Wichard said. "He has three young kids, and he wants to be around them.

So why didn't he use his 9 million dollary salary and bring his kids up to DC. The guy always had one foot in Los Angelos. Good riddance.

[RicFlairOne]

[quote=colkurtz;1201329]This was about the money. I've said the team would not keep players who won't re-structure. Springs is gone, now Taylor. Personally I think for the huge money and the fact that JT had showed up last season out-of-shape, he should be forced to workout with the team.

This entire Jason Taylor saga was a fiasco because the Redskins placed all their DE hopes on Daniels and his 35 year-old legs. Then they had to scramble and make a panic buy; Vinny got abused by the Tuna. Frankly I'm glad to see him go.


Trust me I'm not taking up for Vinny in any way. However, this was Snyder's call, wasn't it? I seem to remember as soon as Daniels got hurt Snyder said "go get him"! Whoever it was, it was a bad call. Having said that, if I was Blache I would have played with the cards that I was dealt with!

[akhhorus]

Should blache has changed his entire scheme because of one stop gap player? Blache was right he didn't fit, why we tried to put a 245 pound RDE at LDE on an already light line, makes no sense.

I know you have been championing taylor all season but it was a bad trade. He cost us a lot and didn't make a sense. It was a consensus on this board that when this trade was made we needed 2 years of double digit sacks to make it worth it. It wasn't even close. Even if you say well that isn't fair he was only healthy half the season, still he couldn't even get 5 sacks.
But the biggest problem is clearly his committment or lack there of to the team.


Blache shouldn't be pulling superior talent off the field during critical games out of sheer spite. And since Andre Carter's sack totals also died in 2008, the problem wasn't him or Taylor.

[Skins7ny]

jason taylor got cut because he was too lazy to stay in dc and work out at redskins park 3 days a week!if he's that lazy,good riddance!
Do you really believe that?
*Not working out with his teammates was the reason Parcells got rid of him in the first place. If that was a concern for us, we wouldn't have traded for him in the first place.
*We permitted Shawn Springs and a number of other players, to work out apart from the team. Heck, even our beloved Philip Daniels worked out apart from the team last year, and he was the teachers' pet.
*Are we cutting Clinton Portis today? He would not commit to working out with the team, either.
*When they made the deal, they knew that they were open to criticism that Taylor might retire after one year. That is why they got a committment from Taylor to play out his contract, which they knew had a $500,000 bonus due this week. They could have insisted on converting it to a workout bonus then-Taylor was so desperate to be rescued from his bad situation with the Tuna that he probably would have said yes. It wasn't important to them. It still isn't.
*If Taylor'd had 10 sacks last year, do you really think we'd be cutting him?

We are cutting Taylor because we don't want him, period. He cannot play, certainly not in our system, and maybe not in anyone's. He is a small, 35- years old RDE whose body is beginning to break down. He is not worth the $8.5M he is going to occupy on our cap. That is why we cut him. Period.

When the FO says that they cut Taylor because it wouldn't be fair to the other guys who they have insisted work out with the team, I just have to laugh. They don't want to adm it that they traded a 2nd and a 6th for a guy that cannot play anymore and that they don't want. They have to come up with some other excuse than the truth, because the truth makes them look like bufoons. What is incredible is that a number of media outlets are reporting it that way, which goes to show that the Skins' policy of blatant dishonesty works, at least on some people.

I believe the Skins asked him something they knew he would refuse so it wouldn't look like they cut him without reason.
Bingo!
The only way last year's trade makes sense if if you intend to keep Taylor for multiple years.
This Front Office has once again proven that they have no plan (despite protestations to the contrary) and no patience to implement a plan.
It's ridiculous. Going out to get a Haynesworth was for the purpose of making both of the Speed Ends more effective. Freeing up space by creating a hole, when you've already given up a 1st day pick is MORONIC.
Welcome to Vinny's world.

PS. Why does a 13 year vet need to participate in the off-season program as part of a contractual obligation?
Right. If this is a new thing they are insisting on with their players, that is great. We will see if Portis trains here, that will be the test. Still, if Taylor had collected 10 sacks last year, they would have made an exception for him for the one year left on his contract. Or started the policy next year.
Our #13 for Peppers and a 2nd-round pick.

Carolina has NO cap room. Really. ZERO. And Peppers won't even sign the Franchise tender for 16.7 mil, he wants out so bad. We save Carolina's a$$, get them back in the black on the cap sheet, and give 'em a first-round pick to replace Peppers with. We get Peppers and a much needed high draft pick.
But just our #13 for Peppers (who we'll have to pay out the wazoo too) is not worth it to me.
Cap room or no, there is no way Carolina makes that trade. No way. They did not franchise him in order to give him up for that little. I don't think they let him go for just #13, either.
The third guy is Larry Michael. Just for the good of planet Earth.
If Larry Michael told me that it was sunny out, I would wear my raincoat.
At some point you have to believe that the smoke you're seeing suggests there's a fire. Moreover, it's coming from a crackpipe in the front office.

The front office resembles nothing more than drunk unicyclist with vertigo heading down the GW Parkway.
Last years draft paid huge dividends... Last year's trades for draft picks were even better. Sometimes it ain't them -- it's HIM!!!! I can't believe I have 3 more years left on this season tix contract.
Wow! I think you summed it up.
Should blache has changed his entire scheme because of one stop gap player? Blache was right he didn't fit, why we tried to put a 245 pound RDE at LDE on an already light line, makes no sense.

I know you have been championing taylor all season but it was a bad trade. He cost us a lot and didn't make a sense. It was a consensus on this board that when this trade was made we needed 2 years of double digit sacks to make it worth it. It wasn't even close. Even if you say well that isn't fair he was only healthy half the season, still he couldn't even get 5 sacks.
But the biggest problem is clearly his committment or lack there of to the team.

So why didn't he use his 9 million dollary salary and bring his kids up to DC. The guy always had one foot in Los Angelos. Good riddance.

The article says that Blache did not want Taylor. That is probably because Blache knew that Taylor was a bad fit for his scheme (which requires the D-ends to be disciplined, stay at home and keep contain) and that Taylor was too small to play LDE, not to mention that he had lost a step. Blache has been very vocal that he likes guys who he can coach his way and don't have any baggage/bad habits from other coaches and systems. The guy was a DL coach. Give him what he wants and draft some young D-Ends, for heaven's sake!

[Skins7ny]

Blache shouldn't be pulling superior talent off the field during critical games out of sheer spite. And since Andre Carter's sack totals also died in 2008, the problem wasn't him or Taylor.

If a player doesn't do what the coaches want, he should be pulled. I don't care if his name is Jason Taylor, Bruce Smith or Chris Wilson. Your problem is that you hate Blache, but he is the DC, and so long as he is the DC, the players need to do what he is coaching them to do.

That play may have been one where the RB ripped over Taylor's spot on the field for a 15 - yard gain. Maybe that is why Blache pulled him.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

I like all the moves but D. Evans. I think his worth is as a part time player not a starter

Ok, well change that to sign a DE/OLB Hybrid guy...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

The Redskins' official said the club is mulling re-signing Evans, Daniels or Marcus Washington, a five-year starter at strongside linebacker whose release on Feb. 20 had increased Taylor's chances of moving to that spot. Taylor's exit also improves the odds of the Redskins using the 13th pick in April's draft on Texas defensive end/linebacker Brian Orakpo.

Should FO resign Marcus and the rest on the cheap???

[akhhorus]

If a player doesn't do what the coaches want, he should be pulled. I don't care if his name is Jason Taylor, Bruce Smith or Chris Wilson. Your problem is that you hate Blache, but he is the DC, and so long as he is the DC, the players need to do what he is coaching them to do.

I don't like Blache because he's a terrible coach. Any time a coach takes a player and tries to force him(and other players) into a situation where the scheme is killing his talent, and throws snits where he pulls players who don't do exactly what he wants(despite the fact that what he wants doesn't work), the coach is the problem with the team, not the players. Taylor and Carter had 21 sacks the year before Blache took over(in different schemes on different teams), yet they both saw their sack totals die and you want to defend Blache with a straight face?

That play may have been one where the RB ripped over Taylor's spot on the field for a 15 - yard gain. Maybe that is why Blache pulled him.

If Blache wants to hold players accountable suddenly, he should have benched plenty of his has-beens who couldn't get their crap together on the field like Washington, Springs, Golston, Smoot, Griffin, etc etc before he decided to do so with Taylor. The random accountability that this franchise tries to hold up as a good thing is infuriating.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

IMO Blache could be more creative with the D, he runs a very vanilla old school D which IMO is quite easy to beat now a days, the Giants, Cows and Eagles all use creative defenses which have really helped those perspective teams out. You can't say "well im blitzing this play stop me" and expect it to work you have to have some sort of trickery involved to suceed.

[akhhorus]

IMO Blache could be more creative with the D, he runs a very vanilla old school D which IMO is quite easy to beat now a days, the Giants, Cows and Eagles all use creative defenses which have really helped those perspective teams out. You can't say "well im blitzing this play stop me" and expect it to work you have to have some sort of trickery involved to suceed.

He coaches defense with zero aggression, which is stupid beyond belief in today's NFL. He had two speed rushing DEs, and decided to have them watching the run even on 3rd downs. Thats insanity.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

He coaches defense with zero aggression, which is stupid beyond belief in today's NFL. He had two speed rushing DEs, and decided to have them watching the run even on 3rd downs. Thats insanity.

I agree, our D has all the tools to be the Giants, Bucs and all those other elite in your face kick ass defenses. Gregg Williams softened up his last year too I wonder why?

[akhhorus]

I agree, our D has all the tools to be the Giants, Bucs and all those other elite in your face kick ass defenses. Gregg Williams softened up his last year too I wonder why?

Because Blache was getting him to run his soft cover-2s for him!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Should FO resign Marcus and the rest on the cheap???

Where did ya hear that? Just curoius, not that I dont believe that's what we're considering because it probably is. None of those moves by themselves excite me though.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I agree, our D has all the tools to be the Giants, Bucs and all those other elite in your face kick ass defenses. Gregg Williams softened up his last year too I wonder why?
I'm sorry, but all the tools to be the Giants? That's a stretch... did you notice their SB winning DL? Did you notice their latest acquisitions? I completely agree that Blache plays and AWFUL defense, but to compare ours with theirs... is just wrong.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Just read on another site that Evans is close to signing with the Niners...

[nicefellow31]

If a player doesn't do what the coaches want, he should be pulled. I don't care if his name is Jason Taylor, Bruce Smith or Chris Wilson. Your problem is that you hate Blache, but he is the DC, and so long as he is the DC, the players need to do what he is coaching them to do.

That play may have been one where the RB ripped over Taylor's spot on the field for a 15 - yard gain. Maybe that is why Blache pulled him.

I thought I read that AH likes to freelance a lot. If so, there is going to be problems with Blache coming in the future.

[shally]

Just read on another site that Evans is close to signing with the Niners...


Jasno implied today that blache felt that evans was no better than daniels..
i get the feeling that it will be PD who returns in 2009

[VegasSkinsFan]

Just read on another site that Evans is close to signing with the Niners...

You can look at that in 2 ways....(1) sucks for us since we lose someone who knows our system or (2) the FO didnt have faith in him last year when PD and AB went down and had to make the JT trade , so why would the FO have faith in him now. GO SKINS !!!!!!

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Where did ya hear that? Just curoius, not that I dont believe that's what we're considering because it probably is. None of those moves by themselves excite me though.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1489

[NCskinsfanatic]

Jasno implied today that blache felt that evans was no better than daniels..
i get the feeling that it will be PD who returns in 2009

Yeah and from above looks like they're considering MW again too lol. Also read where Fletcher has been lobbying hard for Crowell since FA opened but the skins have been hesitant because while hes solid he doesnt bring much as a pass rusher. Maybe they'll change their minds because last time I checked we lack picks and neither Rocky nor Blades offer a pass rush threat either.

You can look at that in 2 ways....(1) sucks for us since we lose someone who knows our system or (2) the FO didnt have faith in him last year when PD and AB went down and had to make the JT trade , so why would the FO have faith in him now. GO SKINS !!!!!!

Probably true...

[NCskinsfanatic]

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1489

Thanks BH...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

I'm sorry, but all the tools to be the Giants? That's a stretch... did you notice their SB winning DL? Did you notice their latest acquisitions? I completely agree that Blache plays and AWFUL defense, but to compare ours with theirs... is just wrong.

Ok, not quite the Giants, I mean aggressive like them (they killed us with their blitz schemes so did the Eagles and Cowboys.) We have to catch up with the league as far as play calling on both sides of the ball Offense and Defense...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Thanks BH...

No problem NC, do you like North Carolina Basketball?

[NCskinsfanatic]

No problem NC, do you like North Carolina Basketball?

Only if ya slip the word State in after the North Carolina lol...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Only if ya slip the word State in after the North Carolina lol...

I like UNC so screw yall JK lol...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Yeah and from above looks like they're considering MW again too lol. Also read where Fletcher has been lobbying hard for Crowell since FA opened but the skins have been hesitant because while hes solid he doesnt bring much as a pass rusher. Maybe they'll change their minds because last time I checked we lack picks and neither Rocky nor Blades offer a pass rush threat either.



Probably true...

Fletch is a vet, everybody the bills have had on defense has been golden including FLETCHHHHHHHH....

[Gravy]

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1489

Sweet...Is Renaldo Wynn available as well?

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Sweet...Is Renaldo Wynn available as well?

Yep he is indeed available via NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#players-list-links-alphabetical:alpha-w

[BurgundyNGold]

Yep he is indeed available via NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#players-list-links-alphabetical:alpha-w
You guys shouldn't even joke about that, lol.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I like UNC so screw yall JK lol...

Well it's not like we're good enough for me to talk smack lol...

Fletch is a vet, everybody the bills have had on defense has been golden including FLETCHHHHHHHH....

I agree and would like to add him.

[Gravy]

Yep he is indeed available via NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#players-list-links-alphabetical:alpha-w

NICE :bigeyes:...lets just have a big fat reunion...:Fruit:

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Well it's not like we're good enough for me to talk smack lol...



I agree and would like to add him.

I respect all the ACC, we have been very inconsistent this season (especially Wayne Ellington)

They should really listen to Fletch why wouldn't they he is the undeniable captain of the team...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

NICE :bigeyes:...lets just have a big fat reunion...:Fruit:

You were joking righttttttttttt, :ashamed:

[BurgundyNGold]

I respect all the ACC, we have been very inconsistent this season (especially Wayne Ellington)

They should really listen to Fletch why wouldn't they he is the undeniable captain of the team...
Because there can only be one great man in Ashburn. And as far as he's concerned, Danny is that man. All other opinions are of lesser consequence.

[Gravy]

You were joking righttttttttttt, :ashamed:

:banger:

[Skins7ny]

I don't like Blache because he's a terrible coach. Any time a coach takes a player and tries to force him(and other players) into a situation where the scheme is killing his talent, and throws snits where he pulls players who don't do exactly what he wants(despite the fact that what he wants doesn't work), the coach is the problem with the team, not the players. Taylor and Carter had 21 sacks the year before Blache took over(in different schemes on different teams), yet they both saw their sack totals die and you want to defend Blache with a straight face?
If Blache wants to hold players accountable suddenly, he should have benched plenty of his has-beens who couldn't get their crap together on the field like Washington, Springs, Golston, Smoot, Griffin, etc etc before he decided to do so with Taylor. The random accountability that this franchise tries to hold up as a good thing is infuriating.
I agree with you about random accountability. But, IMO Blache coached the defense to a #4 ranking, despite having a front 7 that was very short on talent. Of the front 7, Fletcher was the only guy who had a really good season and the only guy (perhaps with Griffin as well) who deserves to start on a Super Bowl-contending defense at this point in their career. You might not like him, but Blache is a good coach. We might be better off with someone who is more aggressive, but Blache is a good solid coach who got his unit to perform to (and IMO, in excess) of their talent level.
I thought I read that AH likes to freelance a lot. If so, there is going to be problems with Blache coming in the future.
Blache said on Redskins.com that he will adjust his scheme somewhat to suit Haynesworth's strengths. Which makes you wonder why he didn't do the same for Jason Taylor (although he did seem to adjust to Taylor towards the end of the year-he probably would have adjusted better if Taylor hadn't been injured for a significant chunk of the season).
Jasno implied today that blache felt that evans was no better than daniels..
i get the feeling that it will be PD who returns in 2009
I agree. Why sign a Philip Daniels-type when you can just sign Philip Daniels? Of course, Evans is a lot younger and probably more durable, but we know Blache loves him some Daniels.

[Gravy]

Because there can only be one great man in Ashburn. And as far as he's concerned, Danny is that man. All other opinions are of lesser consequence.

...Careful...HE is watching:devil2:

[akhhorus]

I agree with you about random accountability. But, IMO Blache coached the defense to a #4 ranking, despite having a front 7 that was very short on talent. Of the front 7, Fletcher was the only guy who had a really good season and the only guy (perhaps with Griffin as well) who deserves to start on a Super Bowl-contending defense at this point in their career. You might not like him, but Blache is a good coach. We might be better off with someone who is more aggressive, but Blache is a good solid coach who got his unit to perform to (and IMO, in excess) of their talent level.

That ranking is horsecrap. That defense had historic lows for sacks and turnovers..and couldn't stop bad offenses from making scoring drives(especially late in games when they need to make a stop). Blache is a terrible defensive coach who coaches like a coward in an NFL that demands that the defensive coordinator show aggression. Nevermind that offenses figured out his base scheme, and even tampa/indy are moving away from the cover-2. For someone who demands such high standards for performance in the offseason, your defense of Greg Blache is puzzling and probably hypocritical.

Blache said on Redskins.com that he will adjust his scheme somewhat to suit Haynesworth's strengths. Which makes you wonder why he didn't do the same for Jason Taylor (although he did seem to adjust to Taylor towards the end of the year-he probably would have adjusted better if Taylor hadn't been injured for a significant chunk of the season).


Random accountability requires random standards.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Ok, not quite the Giants, I mean aggressive like them (they killed us with their blitz schemes so did the Eagles and Cowboys.) We have to catch up with the league as far as play calling on both sides of the ball Offense and Defense...
I can COMPLETELY agree with that. The successful defensive trend is so obvious that I cannot understand why we do what we do.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/78315/gmailCerrato.jpg

Funniest thing I have seen to loosen some of you guys up if your tense. (Being a skins fan sometimes it happens lol)

[colkurtz]

I'm not a fan of Gregg Blache; however he also has not had a good DL nor does he get a continual influx of high DL draft picks like others teams such as the Beagles.

When was the last time Cerrato gave him some new talent for the DL? Golston would be a backup on any other team and Monty has been inconsistent - also probably a backup. Both were fifth round picks. Griffin has been an anchor but gets ground down by the second half of the season; he's old. Carter is average.

If Zorn doesn't have too much input into FA or draft choices, I wonder if Blache does either.

BL - I think Blache did ok with a pitiful DL. I hope Gregg was consulted before they picked up AH, but this FO is so dysfunctional - I doubt it.

[nicefellow31]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/78315/gmailCerrato.jpg

Funniest thing I have seen to loosen some of you guys up if your tense. (Being a skins fan sometimes it happens lol)

Beat me to the punch. I was going to post that. Funny stuff.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Beat me to the punch. I was going to post that. Funny stuff.

lol Definently...

[skinsfaninva]

Adding to the Gregg Blache discussion. I totally agree that Blache is and will be a huge problem with this team. He is "old school" in that it is his way or the highway. He doesn't use his talent, period. He sticks talent into his system regardless of the fit. Case in point Taylor, he was/is a RE and was the DPOY at that position. Blache gets him and sticks him at LE and tells him to play the run, stay in your lane, or else. One more for good measure is Golston. He starts Golston over Montgomery even though Montgomery is the run stuffer we needed. I am tired of these old coaches on this team sticking with what worked 20 years ago and sticking to the older players they can trust.

About the ranking, what a bunch of crap. I don't know how often we couldn't hold a lead or let a team run 7 minutes off the clock on a drive at the end of the game.

[shally]

You can look at that in 2 ways....(1) sucks for us since we lose someone who knows our system or (2) the FO didnt have faith in him last year when PD and AB went down and had to make the JT trade , so why would the FO have faith in him now. GO SKINS !!!!!!


i think that is EXACTLY the way to view it..

[shally]

so was this a feint, or did they actually have someone in mind ?

i cringe if this is related to an upcoming trade.. those are losers IMHO

[Skins7ny]

I'm not a fan of Gregg Blache; however he also has not had a good DL nor does he get a continual influx of high DL draft picks like others teams such as the Beagles.

When was the last time Cerrato gave him some new talent for the DL? Golston would be a backup on any other team and Monty has been inconsistent - also probably a backup. Both were fifth round picks. Griffin has been an anchor but gets ground down by the second half of the season; he's old. Carter is average.

If Zorn doesn't have too much input into FA or draft choices, I wonder if Blache does either.

BL - I think Blache did ok with a pitiful DL. I hope Gregg was consulted before they picked up AH, but this FO is so dysfunctional - I doubt it.
I agree with your post. According to LaCanfora, Blache was against the Taylor trade and Danny/Vinny made the deal anyway.
That ranking is horsecrap. That defense had historic lows for sacks and turnovers..and couldn't stop bad offenses from making scoring drives(especially late in games when they need to make a stop). Blache is a terrible defensive coach who coaches like a coward in an NFL that demands that the defensive coordinator show aggression. Nevermind that offenses figured out his base scheme, and even tampa/indy are moving away from the cover-2. For someone who demands such high standards for performance in the offseason, your defense of Greg Blache is puzzling and probably hypocritical. Random accountability requires random standards.
I would settle for mediocre performance in the off-season and a little class and dignity from our FO. Instead we get the same mistakes over and over like a broken record. At least you have started to see the light and have stopped defending everything the FO does. Of course, you could only ignore the evidence for so long.

[akhhorus]

so was this a feint, or did they actually have someone in mind ?

i cringe if this is related to an upcoming trade.. those are losers IMHO

I think it was done to pay for DeAngelo Hall. He mysteriously didn't sign his contract until after Taylor was released on monday.

[Gravy]

so was this a feint, or did they actually have someone in mind ?

i cringe if this is related to an upcoming trade.. those are losers IMHO

...Shally I have been with ya on this so far...but I am starting to wonder if it is trade that none of us thought of yet??????

[akhhorus]

I would settle for mediocre performance in the off-season and a little class and dignity from our FO. Instead we get the same mistakes over and over like a broken record. At least you have started to see the light and have stopped defending everything the FO does. Of course, you could only ignore the evidence for so long.

I've been critical here for years before you showed up when I thought they made a bad move. Thats the difference between you and me: I'm intellectually honest, you're not. You only are happy when you can complain(and if you ever complement a move at the time it happens, I'll be shocked).

And this isn't really an answer to what I wrote. You demand high quality from the FO, but are willing to tolerate a terrible defensive coordinator for spurious reasons at best. Thats hypocrisy.

[shally]

I think it was done to pay for DeAngelo Hall. He mysteriously didn't sign his contract until after Taylor was released on monday.


snyder ordered the snowstorm ? (he sure is good enough at ordering
sh**storms !!!)

[shally]

...Shally I have been with ya on this so far...but I am starting to wonder if it is trade that none of us thought of yet??????


anything they can THINK of at this point is probably an abomination...lol

[Gravy]

I think it was done to pay for DeAngelo Hall. He mysteriously didn't sign his contract until after Taylor was released on monday.

Ah...I thought Springs was cut and his cap space would be for Hall but you are probably right...I still think they want to do something big, again....again

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think it was done to pay for DeAngelo Hall. He mysteriously didn't sign his contract until after Taylor was released on monday.

I dunno akh, Ive seen some well known cap crunchers at another site seem pretty confident that we have 11-12 million in cap room after the signings and Taylor being cut. I'm no capologist so who knows but if that's the case it isnt or wasnt to pay Hall.

[akhhorus]

I dunno akh, Ive seen some well known cap crunchers at another site seem pretty confident that we have 11-12 million in cap room after the signings and Taylor being cut. I'm no capologist so who knows but if that's the case it isnt or wasnt to pay Hall.

Just my gut on it. Dock and Haynesworth signed their deals, Hall didn't until after Taylor was dumped. Who knows.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Just my gut on it. Dock and Haynesworth signed their deals, Hall didn't until after Taylor was dumped. Who knows.

Yeah without the numbers and a degree in capology 101 I have no idea either. I hope it was to finish filling holes with guys like Crowell and others that we've discussed.

[shally]

Just my gut on it. Dock and Haynesworth signed their deals, Hall didn't until after Taylor was dumped. Who knows.

i dont think so..

i think the redskins are talking trade with someone, and are negotiating a possible contract with the player.. that is what this is about..

possibles:

cutler: less than 25 %.... i just dont think the skins will pull this kind of move. they will let JC prove out one way or the other..there is divergence of opinion internally..

peppers: greater than 75%... after saying that the D line is fine for years, they finally woke up and got religion.. they watch the giants and want to keep up with them. lose a d lineman ? replace him with one better fit for the system

pace, holt, or anyone else.. under 5%

[Tha Boss Hogg]

http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a.html

I am confused lol...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

i dont think so..

i think the redskins are talking trade with someone, and are negotiating a possible contract with the player.. that is what this is about..

possibles:

cutler: less than 25 %.... i just dont think the skins will pull this kind of move. they will let JC prove out one way or the other..there is divergence of opinion internally..

peppers: greater than 75%... after saying that the D line is fine for years, they finally woke up and got religion.. they watch the giants and want to keep up with them.

pace, holt, or anyone else.. under 5%

NO TRADES ARE GOING DOWN, IMO they will spend it on addressing needs...

[shally]

NO TRADES ARE GOING DOWN, IMO they will spend it on addressing needs...

maybe.. but if they knew whom they wanted, they would be on a plane here already..

this is about some kind of ongoing negotiation

[akhhorus]

pace, holt, or anyone else.. under 5%

The Rams aren't asking much for Pace/Holt, I wouldn't be shocked if we did either.

[NCskinsfanatic]

http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a.html

I am confused lol...

yeah thats the site and thread I was reffering to earlier, those guys do the cap break down every year and are usually pretty darn close.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

$13.4 million that is an ish load for us to use...

[NCskinsfanatic]

$13.4 million that is an ish load for us to use...

Yeah hence why I think shally feels like we're looking at doing something big like Peppers. I'm still hoping against hope it's to sign Willis/Tausher at RT, Crowell at OLB and Hunter Smith P.

[Gravy]

maybe.. but if they knew whom they wanted, they would be on a plane here already..

this is about some kind of ongoing negotiation

...I wonder if Satanana Moss will be apart "this" trade...

[NCskinsfanatic]

...I wonder if Satanana Moss will be apart "this" trade...

Is akh handling negotiations...if so he's as good as gone lol.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

...I wonder if Satanana Moss will be apart "this" trade...

No way he is our best WR, we have no one after him that is way too risky...

[Gravy]

Yeah hence why I think shally feels like we're looking at doing something big like Peppers. I'm still hoping against hope it's to sign Willis/Tausher at RT, Crowell at OLB and Hunter Smith P.

...Yes that makes sense...that's why it won't happen:awesomewo

[csquared]

No way he is our best WR, we have no one after him that is way too risky...

And what exactly did he do for us last year? I forget...... OH YEA Nothing. Ship that bum outta here.

[NCskinsfanatic]

...Yes that makes sense...that's why it won't happen:awesomewo

sad but true...

[Gravy]

No way he is our best WR, we have no one after him that is way too risky...

NO WAY...It time to see if Thomas & Kelly can lead us...Satanana (yes thats done on purpose) disappears and IMO doesn't pose a threat anymore...he drops too many passes as well

[colkurtz]

Danny Snyder has always pushed the cap envelope. If we are really at 13.4 mill below cap then that will be burning a megahot and giant-sized hole in his pocket. Almost a "China Sydrome" sized hole.

Personally, I don't think they will make any moves on Jason Campbell. He will get his OL upgrades via FA and the draft; then get this last season to show he has the NFL juice, or not.

I'm with Shally and think Snyder will be looking for another splash in FA to go with AH. Instant DL!

[Skins7ny]

I've been critical here for years before you showed up when I thought they made a bad move. Thats the difference between you and me: I'm intellectually honest, you're not. You only are happy when you can complain(and if you ever complement a move at the time it happens, I'll be shocked).

And this isn't really an answer to what I wrote. You demand high quality from the FO, but are willing to tolerate a terrible defensive coordinator for spurious reasons at best. Thats hypocrisy.

http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?p=1118273#post1118273

Don't lie about my posts. You've done it before, please don't do it again.
I disagree with you that Greg Blache is a terrible defensive coordinator. I agree with you that the #4 ranking is a bit overrated, but the bottom line is that our defense was playoff-caliber and our offense was the reason we did not make the playoffs last year. I tolerate Greg Blache just fine. I don't agree with everything he does, but the guy has a proven track record with us and around the league, and his defense kept us in games last year. Part of the reason his defense kept us in games is because he preaches a conservative, stay-in-your gaps style that places a higher value on stopping the run and preventing the big plat than on flashy game-breaking plays. You would prefer a more aggressive approach. I respect that. But that doesn't make Blache a bad defensive coordinator.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

And what exactly did he do for us last year? I forget...... OH YEA Nothing. Ship that bum outta here.

What he was doubled team the whole time, nobody did anything on offense last year so why single him out? If anyone should leave RANDLE EL is first not Santana...

[csquared]

What he was doubled team the whole time, nobody did anything on offense last year so why single him out? If anyone should leave RANDLE EL is first not Santana...

He wasn't double teamed the whole time. You need to go back and watch the games. He dropped a ton of balls. Failed to run routes out. He is a #3 WR earning #1 money. He stinks.

[shally]

...I wonder if Satanana Moss will be apart "this" trade...

if Akh has any input into he will.....lol... but if we were to get holt, who knows ?

Yeah hence why I think shally feels like we're looking at doing something big like Peppers. I'm still hoping against hope it's to sign Willis/Tausher at RT, Crowell at OLB and Hunter Smith P.


it would be the better move... that is why the redskins wont do it...lol

[akhhorus]

http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?p=1118273#post1118273

Don't lie about my posts. You've done it before, please don't do it again.

I didn't lie about your posts. I responded to your spin attempt at that time. Your only compliments are relief for moves not made. Those are back handed compliments which actually are just you setting up complaining about the FO.

I disagree with you that Greg Blache is a terrible defensive coordinator. I agree with you that the #4 ranking is a bit overrated, but the bottom line is that our defense was playoff-caliber and our offense was the reason we did not make the playoffs last year. I tolerate Greg Blache just fine. I don't agree with everything he does, but the guy has a proven track record with us and around the league, and his defense kept us in games last year. Part of the reason his defense kept us in games is because he preaches a conservative, stay-in-your gaps style that places a higher value on stopping the run and preventing the big plat than on flashy game-breaking plays. You would prefer a more aggressive approach. I respect that. But that doesn't make Blache a bad defensive coordinator.

It makes him a bad coordinator since that approach clearly doesn't work. The stat lines are bullcrap. This defense could stop any number of bad offenses they faced last year, especially when they needed a stop most(and even when the offense did their job). Blache knows to coach an antiquated defense that teams know how to beat, and unfortunately Blache doesn't realize how to maximize the tools he has(in fact believes the opposite, which is a disaster). Its a perfect storm of suck. Its amazing, for all the bitching and moaning you do about this team, you're supporting one of the major problems on this team.

[shally]

Danny Snyder has always pushed the cap envelope. If we are really at 13.4 mill below cap then that will be burning a megahot and giant-sized hole in his pocket. Almost a "China Sydrome" sized hole.

Personally, I don't think they will make any moves on Jason Campbell. He will get his OL upgrades via FA and the draft; then get this last season to show he has the NFL juice, or not.

I'm with Shally and think Snyder will be looking for another splash in FA to go with AH. Instant DL!

having peppers to go with AH, griffin, and carter would be, ON PAPER,
a great D line..

then again, you know how those things work out in reality

[NCskinsfanatic]

having peppers to go with AH, griffin, and carter would be, ON PAPER,
a great D line..

then again, you know how those things work out in reality

Yep about as well as Emmitt's broadcast career.

[Gravy]

Yep about as well as Emmitt's broadcast career.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Tha Boss Hogg]

I have never seen a 3rd receiver who had 79 rec. for 1044 yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2564

[akhhorus]

I have never seen a 3rd receiver who had 79 rec. for 1044 yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2564

Steve Breaston: 77 catches, 1006 yards, 3 TDs last year.

[Gravy]

I have never seen a 3rd receiver who had 79 rec. for 1044 yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2564

3 over 100 games last year...Not Consistent...DISAPPEARS...is a number 2 receiver but I believe to be paid like a number one...has had maybe 2 good years in a 8 year career...lets move on

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Danny Snyder has always pushed the cap envelope. If we are really at 13.4 mill below cap then that will be burning a megahot and giant-sized hole in his pocket. Almost a "China Sydrome" sized hole.

Personally, I don't think they will make any moves on Jason Campbell. He will get his OL upgrades via FA and the draft; then get this last season to show he has the NFL juice, or not.

I'm with Shally and think Snyder will be looking for another splash in FA to go with AH. Instant DL!

Danny and Vinny can make anything (other than a consistent winning team) happen with that much cap room.

[skinsfan36]

Yeah and from above looks like they're considering MW again too lol. Also read where Fletcher has been lobbying hard for Crowell since FA opened but the skins have been hesitant because while hes solid he doesnt bring much as a pass rusher. Maybe they'll change their minds because last time I checked we lack picks and neither Rocky nor Blades offer a pass rush threat either.



Probably true...

where did you read that about crowell? and if hes not a good pass rusher sign him and resign mw for the vet min to rush on 3rd downs or move wilson back there

[skinsfan36]

so if we have roughly between 10 and 13 millon no way we just chill with that much room. what are we doing?
crowell? or another linebacker?or two?
a defensive end? bringing back evans? daniels? going after olshansky?berry?
the broncos came out and said cutler will not be traded.
doubt we are going after boldin. holt and pace? possibly im going to check there salaries to see if this makes perfect sense.
a right tackle? willis is in oakland now visiting. loper is in detroit. marvel smith has injury issues.
dre bly to play nickel?
hunter smith has to be a target also

[BurgundyNGold]

so if we have roughly between 10 and 13 millon no way we just chill with that much room. what are we doing?
crowell? or another linebacker?or two?
a defensive end? bringing back evans? daniels? going after olshansky?berry?
the broncos came out and said cutler will not be traded.
doubt we are going after boldin. holt and pace? possibly im going to check there salaries to see if this makes perfect sense.
a right tackle? willis is in oakland now visiting. loper is in detroit. marvel smith has injury issues.
dre bly to play nickel?
hunter smith has to be a target also
They're playing a waiting game. I think that NFL teams and players agents are playing chicken. Owners are letting the economy play mind games with the players in hopes of getting more talent for less price. Player agents are betting that folks like Snyderrato will force the action by generating demand. ;)

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Steve Breaston: 77 catches, 1006 yards, 3 TDs last year.

You shut me up lol, I didn't know that at all...

:niceday:

[shally]

I have never seen a 3rd receiver who had 79 rec. for 1044 yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2564

steve breaston

[shally]

Steve Breaston: 77 catches, 1006 yards, 3 TDs last year.

damn !! you are quick..lol

beat me by a lick or two

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

No way he is our best WR, we have no one after him that is way too risky...
We're not going to the SB any time soon, so I'd be ok with this as long as it is for draft picks. Same goes for the 85% of the rest of the team.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

We're not going to the SB any time soon, so I'd be ok with this as long as it is for draft picks. Same goes for the 85% of the rest of the team.

I have changed my mind, for a second round and a fourth, I AM DOWN...

[Gravy]

We're not going to the SB any time soon, so I'd be ok with this as long as it is for draft picks. Same goes for the 85% of the rest of the team.

Hey AKH...you think we could get a 3rd rounder for Satanana...

[BurgundyNGold]

I have changed my mind, for a second round and a fourth, I AM DOWN...
I'd take a 3rd in 2009 or a 2nd in 2010. But that won't happen. They'll wait until he is a malcontent or something so that his trade value will drop considerably, lol.

[akhhorus]

Hey AKH...you think we could get a 3rd rounder for Satanana...

cap relief and getting him off the roster is enough.

[Gravy]

cap relief and getting him off the roster is enough.

...so just cut him...oh I get it, whatever it takes...

[NCskinsfanatic]

where did you read that about crowell? and if hes not a good pass rusher sign him and resign mw for the vet min to rush on 3rd downs or move wilson back there

Here ya go 36, chock full of little nuggets...

http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/03/redskins-allergy-to-cap-space-means-more-moves-on-horizon.html

[BurgundyNGold]

Vinny is "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Jason Taylor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303346.html

In other news, Redskin fans are "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Snyderrato.

[shally]

Here ya go 36, chock full of little nuggets...

http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/03/redskins-allergy-to-cap-space-means-more-moves-on-horizon.html

some good ideas... and some bad ones

coles, for example.. bad idea
henderson... bad idea.. lots of speed. terrible hands. runs only 1 route- fly
crowell- decent, but if it was going to happen it would have happened by now
barnes- you have to wonder when a team gives up on a starting R tackle
willis-- zorn knew him. doesnt appear tobe pushing.. hmmmm
weaver-- maybe later..

the larger question is why not olshansky ? young, tough, plays inside and out.. would seem to be a solid fit.
berry ? great fit, but older

hilliard/toomer: later, if at all. more likely engram who plays in the same offense

harrison ????? just say NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[akhhorus]

Vinny is "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Jason Taylor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303346.html

In other news, Redskin fans are "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Snyderrato.

http://www.georgegroves.org.uk/warners1_files/clauderains.jpg

[shally]

Vinny is "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Jason Taylor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303346.html

In other news, Redskin fans are "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Snyderrato.

disappointed is far too mild a word

[VegasSkinsFan]

Why is JT listed as restructured and not cut on the homepage, i assume a misplacing. GO SKINS !!!!!

[CNYSkinFan]

Vinny is "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Jason Taylor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303346.html

In other news, Redskin fans are "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Snyderrato.
not the first time we have heard something like this.

That was unacceptable to Taylor, in large part, because the Redskins and Taylor's agent, Gary Wichard, had agreed both sides would honor the final two years of the deal, without restructuring, before Taylor was traded from Miami to Washington on the first day of training camp last July, sources said.

This is starting to become a pattern and is probably why FA command such big salaries to come here. They know they better get it guaranteed and upfront becasue Snyder's word is worth about as much as six flags right now

[nicefellow31]

More Vinny speak via Warpath. It is a Q & A. I posted the question about what went on with Taylor. Notice how he addresses the Shawn Springs situation. Reading this, according to Vinny, not only did JT not want to workout at Redskin Park but he wasn't going to workout in Florida either. :rolleyes: He is such a goof. I would love to have heard the so called "last phone call"

Vinny: You going to workout in VA?
JT: No
Vinny: Ok


Q: You scouted Jason before you traded for him, do you think this guy, if healthy and with a full offseason, do you think he can still play?
A: Yeah, I think he can still play. We talked to his agent. We talked to Jason. Dan and I flew down and had dinner with him a couple weeks ago and told him we wanted him to work out up here 75 percent of the time. It’s not a lot. It’s 39 workouts to make 75 percent and 14 are mandatory. It was 25 workouts in 13 weeks and he could come out on Tuesday, work out on Wednesday and early Thursday morning and then fly home.

Q: Are you surprised he wasn’t willing to meet that?
A: Yes.

Q: Disappointed?
A: Yes, totally disappointed. Clinton lives down there in the offseason and he’s up here 75 percent. Haynesworth has a workout clause; DeAngelo does. All these guys have workout clauses. As guys get older you’d like them to work out. People say what about Shawn Springs. He went to Arizona to work out, but he wasn’t at home. Jason just wanted to stay at home with his kids. We felt to get the best out of him – he didn’t to work out at all last year because of the dancing – we wanted him to get in shape, to make sure he was in shape. Plus the biggest thing was the camaraderie with his teammates because he wasn’t around. And he didn’t want to do it.

Q: When you’re trying to build a team, you don’t want to hear that.
A: Right. It’s not fair to all his teammates that he says all you guys go up there and work out, but I don’t want to do that.

Q: Did you make a last-ditch effort to try to keep him?
A: We talked to him on the phone at 1 o’clock and he just couldn’t commit. We said OK.

Here is a link to the full article if you are interested in reading the full article:

http://was.scout.com/2/844060.html

[shally]

not the first time we have heard something like this.



This is starting to become a pattern and is probably why FA command such big salaries to come here. They know they better get it guaranteed and upfront becasue Snyder's word is worth about as much as six flags right now

well, you have players like dwayne robertson, who were cut rather than paying them for stealing.. depends upon whose word is worthless.. we have seen many of those guys who collect snyders dollars and then put forth a laughable effort.

heck, i will fly to virginia for 4 days a week to work out for 500,000 for next year.. that was ridiculous on taylor's part to refuse

[shally]

More Vinny speak via Warpath. It is a Q & A. I posted the question about what went on with Taylor. Notice how he addresses the Shawn Springs situation. Reading this, according to Vinny, not only did JT not want to workout at Redskin Park but he wasn't going to workout in Florida either. :rolleyes: He is such a goof. I would love to have heard the so called "last phone call"

Vinny: You going to workout in VA?
JT: No
Vinny: Ok




Here is a link to the full article if you are interested in reading the full article:

http://was.scout.com/2/844060.html

shame on them !! didnt they watch the back and forth between JT and parcells last year ? and that was in miami !!

they should have expected exactly what behavior they got..

[NCskinsfanatic]

some good ideas... and some bad ones

coles, for example.. bad idea
henderson... bad idea.. lots of speed. terrible hands. runs only 1 route- fly
crowell- decent, but if it was going to happen it would have happened by now
barnes- you have to wonder when a team gives up on a starting R tackle
willis-- zorn knew him. doesnt appear tobe pushing.. hmmmm
weaver-- maybe later..

the larger question is why not olshansky ? young, tough, plays inside and out.. would seem to be a solid fit.
berry ? great fit, but older

hilliard/toomer: later, if at all. more likely engram who plays in the same offense

harrison ????? just say NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


The only ones mentioned that interest me would be Crowell, Willis, Barnes and Weaver. I do like Olshansky, not because he's great, but because he's exactly what Blache wants in a starting LDE and is younger than PD.

[CNYSkinFan]

well, you have players like dwayne robertson, who were cut rather than paying them for stealing.. depends upon whose word is worthless.. we have seen many of those guys who collect snyders dollars and then put forth a laughable effort.

heck, i will fly to virginia for 4 days a week to work out for 500,000 for next year.. that was ridiculous on taylor's part to refuse
what is ridiculous is Snyder going back on his word if ttrue. What is ridiculous is them not knowing Taylor would balk at the offer...

I think they decided to move on and wanted the cap space and this was a machination to try and get there without the public slamming vinny for giving up two picks.

[shally]

what is ridiculous is Snyder going back on his word if ttrue. What is ridiculous is them not knowing Taylor would balk at the offer...

I think they decided to move on and wanted the cap space and this was a machination to try and get there without the public slamming vinny for giving up two picks.

i agree.. i still think when all this plays out, it is the cap space that they were after for another player..

that amount would normally burn a hole in snyder's pockrt so quickly his butt would be red.. they want someone

[Skins7ny]

I didn't lie about your posts. I responded to your spin attempt at that time. Your only compliments are relief for moves not made. Those are back handed compliments which actually are just you setting up complaining about the FO.

It makes him a bad coordinator since that approach clearly doesn't work. The stat lines are bullcrap. This defense could stop any number of bad offenses they faced last year, especially when they needed a stop most(and even when the offense did their job). Blache knows to coach an antiquated defense that teams know how to beat, and unfortunately Blache doesn't realize how to maximize the tools he has(in fact believes the opposite, which is a disaster). Its a perfect storm of suck. Its amazing, for all the bitching and moaning you do about this team, you're supporting one of the major problems on this team.
I personally think that it s amazing that you demand perfection from your Defensive Coordinator (what, a #4 ranking is not good enough for you?-this defense kept us in every game while our offense was blowing chunks-or didn't you notice that?) when you have a history of bending over backwards to defend Danny and Vinny, which is the single biggest "major problem" this franchise has. And then you have the audacity to call me a hypocrite? Look in the mirror.

And you have been lying about my posts. You say that I never say anything positive about the team, and the links prove you wrong. I complimented the FO on the Erasmus James trade. I complimented the FO last year on not going hog wild in free agency. I complimented the FO last year on not making a trade for one of the 4 big-name DTs (Shaun Rogers, Marcus Stroud, Kris Jenkins and DeWayne Robertson) who got traded. So stop lying about my posts.
cap relief and getting him off the roster is enough.
Yes, let's get rid of the only deep threat weapon we have on offense. Real bright. Then maybe teams can play a 10-man front against us since we will have no outside receiving threat at all.
Vinny is "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Jason Taylor.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303346.html
In other news, Redskin fans are "disappointed, totally disappointed" in Snyderrato.
Cerrato's shtick is so cynical, so contived as to be completely 100% unbelievable. I am insulted that he thinks that I and other Redskins fans are going to buy what he is selling. I would have a heckuva lot more respect for him if he just said, "Hey, I took a chance on a veteran player, it didn't work out, I wish him the best". Rather than impugning Taylor's conditioning, his work ethic, etc. The guy may not be a good player any more (we will see what he does this year) but he played hurt, out of position and in a foreign system for us, was a professional and by all accounts was a good teammate. So let's throw dirt on him to detract from the fact that we screwed up! Classy, as always.

And Vinny pointing to Springs is laughable, as if Taylor would not be working out in Miami and Springs did nothing but in Arizona.

[akhhorus]

I personally think that it s amazing that you demand perfection from your Defensive Coordinator (what, a #4 ranking is not good enough for you?-this defense kept us in every game while our offense was blowing chunks-or didn't you notice that?) when you have a history of bending over backwards to defend Danny and Vinny, which is the single biggest "major problem" this franchise has. And then you have the audacity to call me a hypocrite? Look in the mirror.

I demand a defense to adjust to the realities of the NFL. Blache still thinks he's coaching in 1999. Blache's stats aside(which are nonsense, do you honestly believe that they're the 4th best defense in the NFL?), he refuses to change with the NFL, which is why his defense consistently fails to actually stop offenses when they need a stop most. Even when the offense did their job, the defense would find a way to blow it.

And you have been lying about my posts. You say that I never say anything positive about the team, and the links prove you wrong. I complimented the FO on the Erasmus James trade. I complimented the FO last year on not going hog wild in free agency. I complimented the FO last year on not making a trade for one of the 4 big-name DTs (Shaun Rogers, Marcus Stroud, Kris Jenkins and DeWayne Robertson) who got traded. So stop lying about my posts.

Complimenting a non-move is not a compliment, its just more fodder for your crap. And you hedged on James. So, no I'm not lying when I characterize you as a whiner who does nothing but bitch and moan about the redskins and refuses to give credit when its due probably because your have some deep self loathing and take it out on everything and everyone around you. You're still that when you feign relief about a move not made.

God forbid the skins should actually start making good moves anytime in the future, I don't think you would be able to handle it.

Yes, let's get rid of the only deep threat weapon we have on offense. Real bright. Then maybe teams can play a 10-man front against us since we will have no outside receiving threat at all.


We don't have an outside threat even with Moss. Teams already play stacked fronts against the skins because NO-ONE is afraid of Moss anymore. We save a ton of cash and find out what we have in Thomas/Kelly if we rid ourselves of that cancer.

[Fathead]

The D was 4th in yards allowed. Where was it in sacks, turnovers, etc.?

[csquared]

The D was 4th in yards allowed. Where was it in sacks, turnovers, etc.?

Sheesh they are only minor details.

[Fathead]

lol yeah, being 28th in sacks and being tied for the fewest amount of recovered fumbles and being bottom half in INTs is a sign of a great D.


lol

[Skins7ny]

I demand a defense to adjust to the realities of the NFL. Blache still thinks he's coaching in 1999. Blache's stats aside(which are nonsense, do you honestly believe that they're the 4th best defense in the NFL?), he refuses to change with the NFL, which is why his defense consistently fails to actually stop offenses when they need a stop most. Even when the offense did their job, the defense would find a way to blow it.

Complimenting a non-move is not a compliment, its just more fodder for your crap. And you hedged on James. So, no I'm not lying when I characterize you as a whiner who does nothing but bitch and moan about the redskins and refuses to give credit when its due probably because your have some deep self loathing and take it out on everything and everyone around you. You're still that when you feign relief about a move not made.

God forbid the skins should actually start making good moves anytime in the future, I don't think you would be able to handle it.

We don't have an outside threat even with Moss. Teams already play stacked fronts against the skins because NO-ONE is afraid of Moss anymore. We save a ton of cash and find out what we have in Thomas/Kelly if we rid ourselves of that cancer.
Please show me where I hedged on James. I did not.
You, on the other hand, have excused the FO's stupid decision making at every turn until recently.

And really, saying that I have a deep self-loathing is just out of line. I don't psychoanalyze you, although believe me there is plenty of ammunition in your posts with which to do so. If you continue doing so to me, I shall feel free to do so to you.

Calling Moss a cancer when you spend post after post defending Clinton Portis' selfish and disruptive behavior is the definition of hypocrisy. Again, LOOK IN THE MIRROR! You defend Portis at every turn but Moss is cancer? Please, you are embarrassing yourself.

I have praised the Skins on those infrequent occasions when they make good moves. I posted that I liked the Zorn hire, which was BTW a Dan/Vinny decision. I posted that I would have drafted Devin Thomas with that choice and praised that move. I also have posted (even recently) that it is too early to judge Vinny's 2008 draft, even when other posters are ripping him a new one because of it. I try to always be fair. If is sounds negative, it is because we have been saddled for the last several years with an owner who thinks he is a GM and a top personnel man who couldn't get hired by any other team in the NFL except ours. You can't counter those facts, so you attack me personally. Which is the sign of an intellectually bankrupt, mean-spirited, small-minded person.
The D was 4th in yards allowed. Where was it in sacks, turnovers, etc.?

Sack yardage is accounted for in the pass defense rankings. I agree that the ranking doesn't tell the whole story, but to pretend that our defense was the problem last year or that Blache is incompetent is just gross exxageration, or downright dishonest.

I will also note that Dan and Vinny hired Blache to stay on as DC before they hired the Head Coach. So, why isn't Akhhorus laying our "terrible" defensive coordanator at the feet of Dan and Vinny? Zorn didn't hire Blache as DC.

[csquared]

Sack yardage is accounted for in the pass defense rankings. I agree that the ranking doesn't tell the whole story, but to pretend that our defense was the problem last year or that Blache is incompetent is just gross exxageration, or downright dishonest.

I will also note that Dan and Vinny hired Blache to stay on as DC before they hired the Head Coach. So, why isn't Akhhorus laying our "terrible" defensive coordanator at the feet of Dan and Vinny? Zorn didn't hire Blache as DC.

A good Defense helps the Offense(scoring td's on D, short fields because of fumbles or INT's). Ours did none of that. The D helped themselves but did nothing for the O.

[akhhorus]

Please show me where I hedged on James. I did not.

Quotes from you on the James trade:
"After missing out on Calais Campbell in round 2, it would be nice to get a guy for Palermo to work with whom he coached to great success in college "
" Sounds like the kid has had very bad luck, and it is questionable if he will ever regain the skill that he showed his rookie year. But it can be done, I remember Kyle Vanden Bosch was in a similar situation with the Cardinals, and they cut him. The Titans gave him a chance, and he has been lights out for them since. Seems like a low-ris proposition to bring him in and let him work with Palermo"
"It doesn't have to be an either/or proposition. Palermo is going to be working with 8 or 9 DEs in camp , and James should be one of them unless his knee injury is a career-ender or Palermo doesn't want him. Right now we have 9 DEs on our roster. Isn't James worth looking at in camp over someone like Tommy Davis or Kevin Huntley, who have bounced around the fringes of the league for several years?"

You never actually said it was a good move or complimented it beyond it being little risk.

You, on the other hand, have excused the FO's stupid decision making at every turn until recently.


I've been critical of Vinny and the FO since before you were a member here. The difference is that I'll compliment them when I think they make a good move. You'll just mysteriously disappear. Which means you're just here to be a whiner.

And really, saying that I have a deep self-loathing is just out of line. I don't psychoanalyze you, although believe me there is plenty of ammunition in your posts with which to do so. If you continue doing so to me, I shall feel free to do so to you.


People who do nothing but vent their criticism out irrationally do it for a reason. Whether its loathing or frustration, you come here at HR to bitch and moan to satisfy an urge of yours, and I don't care which.

Calling Moss a cancer when you spend post after post defending Clinton Portis' selfish and disruptive behavior is the definition of hypocrisy. Again, LOOK IN THE MIRROR! You defend Portis at every turn but Moss is cancer? Please, you are embarrassing yourself.


Portis produces and does his job. Moss doesn't. I've been critical of Portis when he's run his mouth also.

I have praised the Skins on those infrequent occasions when they make good moves. I posted that I liked the Zorn hire, which was BTW a Dan/Vinny decision. I posted that I would have drafted Devin Thomas with that choice and praised that move. I also have posted (even recently) that it is too early to judge Vinny's 2008 draft, even when other posters are ripping him a new one because of it. I try to always be fair. If is sounds negative, it is because we have been saddled for the last several years with an owner who thinks he is a GM and a top personnel man who couldn't get hired by any other team in the NFL except ours. You can't counter those facts, so you attack me personally. Which is the sign of an intellectually bankrupt, mean-spirited, small-minded person.


Talking about yourself here? Please show where you were enthusiatic for those moves, and back handed compliments don't count. And I've been pointing out the obvious factual flaws in your non stop whining since you've come here. You aren't able to counter with anything but trying to make me the issue whenever I point out when you're wrong: which is the real sign of an intellectually bankrupt, small minded person.

Sack yardage is accounted for in the pass defense rankings. I agree that the ranking doesn't tell the whole story, but to pretend that our defense was the problem last year or that Blache is incompetent is just gross exxageration, or downright dishonest.


Thanks for not discussing what I brought up. I don't disagree that the offense isn't a major problem, but thinking that the defense was even competent is absurd. How many late game choke job to bad offenses do you need to see before you'll see that Blache is terrible? 10?

I will also note that Dan and Vinny hired Blache to stay on as DC before they hired the Head Coach. So, why isn't Akhhorus laying our "terrible" defensive coordanator at the feet of Dan and Vinny? Zorn didn't hire Blache as DC.

I have been critical of Vinny and Snyder for bringing him back. I believe at the time we rehired him, I was extremely critical. Again, the difference between us: I'm intellectually honest. You're just a whiny hack.

[Skins7ny]

lol yeah, being 28th in sacks and being tied for the fewest amount of recovered fumbles and being bottom half in INTs is a sign of a great D. lol
We were eight points away from GIVING UP THE FEWEST POINTS IN THE NFC-we were third (296), behind Philly (289) and the Giants (294). You and Akhhorus can now fall over yourselves trying to explain how that is not a barometer of a good defense LOL.
*And that "points against" ranking was acheived without any help from our pathetic offense, which failed to sustain drives and keep our defense off the field.
*Couple this with the fact that our D in 2008 played some of the best offenses in the NFL (Saints, Cows, Giants, Arizona, Philly, Pittsburgh), and largely held them in check, and our defense's yards and points ranking is even more impressive.
*Look, I too would like to see more big plays out of this defense. We need more sacks, fumbles and INTs.
*But, an incomplete on 4th-and-7 is a sign of a good defense. A defense that holds an offense under 100 yards rushing, or to 3 yards per carry, is still a good defense even if it does not force any fumbles. Pretending that our defense sucked because it forced punts on 4th - and 2 instead of 4th-and-12 is just factually incorrect.
*Factor in that the defense did this without a single Pro Bowl player and arguable one of the worst front 7s in the NFC talent-wise, and that makes Blache's accomplishments this year as DC all the more impressive.

But no, let's all go along with Akhhorus' anti-Blatche campaign since he is so obnoxious and persistent in his opinions and we are all ticked off about our teams' failure. Let's not let little things like facts get in our way.

[akhhorus]

We were eight points away from GIVING UP THE FEWEST POINTS IN THE NFC-we were third (296), behind Philly (289) and the Giants (294). You and Akhhorus can now fall over yourselves trying to explain how that is not a barometer of a good defense LOL.
*And that "points against" ranking was acheived without any help from our pathetic offense, which failed to sustain drives and keep our defense off the field.
*Couple this with the fact that our D in 2008 played some of the best offenses in the NFL (Saints, Cows, Giants, Arizona, Philly, Pittsburgh), and largely held them in check, and our defense's yards and points ranking is even more impressive.
*Look, I too would like to see more big plays out of this defense. We need more sacks, fumbles and INTs.
*But, an incomplete on 4th-and-7 is a sign of a good defense. A defense that holds an offense under 100 yards rushing, or to 3 yards per carry, is still a good defense even if it does not force any fumbles. Pretending that our defense sucked because it forced punts on 4th - and 2 instead of 4th-and-12 is just factually incorrect.
*Factor in that the defense did this without a single Pro Bowl player and arguable one of the worst front 7s in the NFC talent-wise, and that makes Blache's accomplishments this year as DC all the more impressive.

But no, let's all go along with Akhhorus' anti-Blatche campaign since he is so obnoxious and persistent in his opinions and we are all ticked off about our teams' failure. Let's not let little things like facts get in our way.

I'm far from the only person who thinks blache needs to go. We discussed this for weeks here on the board during and right after the season. That points stat is also crap since it counts every single point given up--whether its from an INT run back for a TD or a special teams TD.

[Skins7ny]

A good Defense helps the Offense(scoring td's on D, short fields because of fumbles or INT's). Ours did none of that. The D helped themselves but did nothing for the O.
It works both ways. A good offense helps the defense by keeping them off the field, eating up clock, and forcing the other teams' offense to go into catch-up/passing mode, where our pass rushers can ignore the threat of the run and just tee off on the pass rush. How many games did we have this year where the offense helped the defense? Which side of the ball helped the other side out this year more?

[akhhorus]

It works both ways. A good offense helps the defense by keeping them off the field, eating up clock, and forcing the other teams' offense to go into catch-up/passing mode, where our pass rushers can ignore the threat of the run and just tee off on the pass rush. How many games did we have this year where the offense helped the defense? Which side of the ball helped the other side out this year more?

As I pointed out in my post mortem:
The defense only clinched 2 wins thanks to a turnover(Nola and Seattle along with the Lions’ game on downs), and the defense let up 4 very late drives that led to scores that lost or clinched a game for their opponents(St Louis, Cincy, Balto and San Fran) along with 2 games where the opposing team was able to drive late and was in a position to tie the game late(Cleveland, who just missed a long FG and 2nd Philly, who was about 6 inches from tying on the last play).

That ain't good.

[Skins7ny]

I'm far from the only person who thinks blache needs to go. We discussed this for weeks here on the board during and right after the season. That points stat is also crap since it counts every single point given up--whether its from an INT run back for a TD or a special teams TD.

You're right. Points given up is a meaningless stat when it comes to judging a defense. In fact, I hear that the NFL is changing its rules-from now on the team that gives up fewer points than its opponent LOSES the game!:rolleyes:

[csquared]

It works both ways. A good offense helps the defense by keeping them off the field, eating up clock, and forcing the other teams' offense to go into catch-up/passing mode, where our pass rushers can ignore the threat of the run and just tee off on the pass rush. How many games did we have this year where the offense helped the defense? Which side of the ball helped the other side out this year more?

Nobody is harping about how good the offense is. But plenty are harping about how good the defense was. And no it wasnt a "good" D. It was average. Neither side helped the other out very much at all.

[Fathead]

The defense failed in 4 games, got incredibly lucky in 2 more. The D failed to create turnovers and force good field position. The D did little to create frustration for opposing QBs with pressure.


Now of course the offense has more problems. But ignoring the defensive problems because the offense was bad is really dumb.

[akhhorus]

You're right. Points given up is a meaningless stat when it comes to judging a defense. In fact, I hear that the NFL is changing its rules-from now on the team that gives up fewer points than its opponent LOSES the game!:rolleyes:

Read what I wrote Captain defensive. Question for you, which is the better scoring defense?
Defense A: 28 touchdowns and 24 FGs given up
Defense B: 25 touchdowns and 26 FG given up

Defense A is rated much higher in scoring defense than Defense B btw.

[saviour]

Now of course the offense has more problems. But ignoring the defensive problems because the offense was bad is really dumb.

I would go as far as calling it dumb but I definately agree with this statement. Its obvious we are a good defense but its equally obvious that we are far from a great defense. That #4 ranking is very misleading as its primarily attributed to yards per game.

If Blache would've just allowed his double digit sack defensive ends from the prior season to rush the passer on something other than 3rd and long this defense would be alot more impresive. The only reason Blache's defensive system appears to work is because he actually had a decent amount of talent on it. (Fletcher, Taylor, Landry, and the surprising Horton) It became obvious late in the year when these players starting breaking down and we couldn't stop anyone that the scheme was flawed. To have two undersized speed rushers on your team and tell them thier only responsibility is to stop the run is incompentance at its finest. And to couple them with two tackles who are better at pressuring the passer than stopping the run was even more ridiculous IMO.

Its a bend but not break defense that is easily beat when the opposing team takes what we give them. Which happened alot last season and more so late in the season.

[shally]

The defense failed in 4 games, got incredibly lucky in 2 more. The D failed to create turnovers and force good field position. The D did little to create frustration for opposing QBs with pressure.


Now of course the offense has more problems. But ignoring the defensive problems because the offense was bad is really dumb.

and so far, it is obvious that focus IS being put on the defense this off season

[Keino]

Taylor wasn't in playing shape whe he got here because he hadn't been working out with the team. It's more than reasonable to expect this guy (who is getting older and more prone to injury) to attend, what, 60% of the workouts?

Everyone knows I think that Snyderrato should screw off for making the deal that included a 2nd round pick. Well, Taylor can screw off too for being an obstinate, lazy SOB who is seemingly more interested in his off time than earning his $8.5M salary that he admitted he didn't earn last year.

Screw offs all around, lol!

You make good points, but here is the crux of the issue for me. When we brought on Mr. Taylor, it was with the understanding that we undertake no action to alter his contract. What the front office did was attempt to build the workouts into the contracts AFTER approaching him about a possible pay-cut. In short, we (The Team) did not act in good faith with respect to the promises made to the player in question.

Furthermore, as I have indicated previously, nobody can claim that his injuriesd were due to lack of conditioning. Yes, it is true that he was playing himself in the "Game shape", which is what vets do whether or not they attend OTAs an other such activities in the Spring. I am sorry, but I just have a hard time believing that the players benefit from the off-season program when it concludes a month to a month and a half prior to training camp.......That's a long time of doing nothing. And by nothing I mean nothing organized within the team concept.

So, no, it was not a reasonable expectation, especially when we traded for him knowing that he wanted his contract completely unaltered. Giving up a 1st day pick in the process, which only makes sense for more than a 1 year rental.

I wanted him back, because if used properly (and with this DC, that's a huge IF) he could be a significant contributor. The guy makes plays and has great instincts, especially when it comes to sniffing out screens.

[saviour]

and so far, it is obvious that focus IS being put on the defense this off season

Very true. But even with Haynesworth I cant see how this defense will be better than it was last season. Especially if we resign Evans or worse (Phillip Daniels to play alongside him.

Having Blache and his schemes is a sure fire way to turn AH into a first year bust.

[BurgundyNGold]

You make good points, but here is the crux of the issue for me. When we brought on Mr. Taylor, it was with the understanding that we undertake no action to alter his contract. What the front office did was attempt to build the workouts into the contracts AFTER approaching him about a possible pay-cut. In short, we (The Team) did not act in good faith with respect to the promises made to the player in question.

Furthermore, as I have indicated previously, nobody can claim that his injuriesd were due to lack of conditioning. Yes, it is true that he was playing himself in the "Game shape", which is what vets do whether or not they attend OTAs an other such activities in the Spring. I am sorry, but I just have a hard time believing that the players benefit from the off-season program when it concludes a month to a month and a half prior to training camp.......That's a long time of doing nothing. And by nothing I mean nothing organized within the team concept.

So, no, it was not a reasonable expectation, especially when we traded for him knowing that he wanted his contract completely unaltered. Giving up a 1st day pick in the process, which only makes sense for more than a 1 year rental.

I wanted him back, because if used properly (and with this DC, that's a huge IF) he could be a significant contributor. The guy makes plays and has great instincts, especially when it comes to sniffing out screens.
Make no mistake, I wanted him back too. I thought that with AH he could get 8 or 10 sacks.

That said, while I will place 70-80% of the blame on Snyderrato for this fuster cluck, I still place 20-30% of the blame on JT for not having the drive to attend 25 workouts over 13 weeks and for not feeling more of an obligation for doing so when he admitted that he didn't earn his keep last year.

Now, what's done is done. Since he's gone, we might be able to turn this into a good thing. The $8.5M JT cleared up is enough to sign Bertrand Berry (DE), Kalif Barnes (RT) and Angelo Crowell/Mike Peterson (OLB). Cutting that one guy can net you 3 starters in 2009. I'm just gearing up for the disappointment that is to come when we don't do any of that, lol.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Make no mistake, I wanted him back too. I thought that with AH he could get 8 or 10 sacks.

That said, while I will place 70-80% of the blame on Snyderrato for this fuster cluck, I still place 20-30% of the blame on JT for not having the drive to attend 25 workouts over 13 weeks and for not feeling more of an obligation for doing so when he admitted that he didn't earn his keep last year.

Now, what's done is done. Since he's gone, we might be able to turn this into a good thing. The $8.5M JT cleared up is enough to sign Bertrand Berry (DE), Kalif Barnes (RT) and Angelo Crowell/Mike Peterson (OLB). Cutting that one guy can net you 3 starters in 2009. I'm just gearing up for the disappointment that is to come when we don't do any of that, lol.

We do those moves, with a smart draft this team can really make a turnaround. Only other names i would throw in would be olshansky at de, and burnett at lb. Then we have options for the draft...trade down or not. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

[BurgundyNGold]

We do those moves, with a smart draft this team can really make a turnaround. Only other names i would throw in would be olshansky at de, and burnett at lb. Then we have options for the draft...trade down or not. GO SKINS !!!!!!!
I agree. And you can put Olshansy in there, I just figured that we would use Berry for 2 years as a pass rushing DE and then draft Orakpo at 13 to split time with him. No need for a long term deal at DE if you're drafting the replacement.

[shally]

Make no mistake, I wanted him back too. I thought that with AH he could get 8 or 10 sacks.

That said, while I will place 70-80% of the blame on Snyderrato for this fuster cluck, I still place 20-30% of the blame on JT for not having the drive to attend 25 workouts over 13 weeks and for not feeling more of an obligation for doing so when he admitted that he didn't earn his keep last year.

Now, what's done is done. Since he's gone, we might be able to turn this into a good thing. The $8.5M JT cleared up is enough to sign Bertrand Berry (DE), Kalif Barnes (RT) and Angelo Crowell/Mike Peterson (OLB). Cutting that one guy can net you 3 starters in 2009. I'm just gearing up for the disappointment that is to come when we don't do any of that, lol.

money will more likely be used on some big fish like peppers..

[shally]

I agree. And you can put Olshansy in there, I just figured that we would use Berry for 2 years as a pass rushing DE and then draft Orakpo at 13 to split time with him. No need for a long term deal at DE if you're drafting the replacement.


1. orakpo will likely be long gone by then

2. maulauga would be the better fit and need for this defense

3. clearly a premium O lineman would be the best pick of all for this team,
with a linebacker coming in round 3

[VegasSkinsFan]

1. orakpo will likely be long gone by then

2. maulauga would be the better fit and need for this defense

3. clearly a premium O lineman would be the best pick of all for this team,
with a linebacker coming in round 3

I think you are correct about orakpo and malauga but like #3 best. To me even better would be to sign a FA lb and RT, along with olshansky and get a slight trade down and grab robinson and a C in the 2nd...either mack/unger/shipley or go with Mack first and then grab the best G with the 2nd and either lb or de ( sidbury) in the 3rd. Love to see the Oline pound away on teams this year, hey then we wont have to worry about a punter or a kicker, let Colt so the kicking haha. If not we can hook him up with Barry Bonds trainer and get hiim big enough to play lb (sarcasm). Back to reality, if played correctly...and yes i am aware of who is in the FO...this offseason can make us very competitive. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

This may not be the right thread, but I wanted to get this in a thread where people could appreciate it/discuss it.

Attached is an article from former Redskin Ross Tucker who now writes for SI. I enjoy his articles because he gives better insight than most former players.

This article is about the danger of giving guys big guaranteed contracts.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ross_tucker/03/04/guarantees/index.html

[NCskinsfanatic]

According to Cooley JT hates money lol...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Cooley-Zone-Jason-Taylor-hates-money;_ylt=AoTi8LB2oCmwen1QLrTNZOU5nYcB?urn=nfl,14 5805

[BurgundyNGold]

According to Cooley JT hates money lol...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Cooley-Zone-Jason-Taylor-hates-money;_ylt=AoTi8LB2oCmwen1QLrTNZOU5nYcB?urn=nfl,14 5805
Cooley broke it down that Taylor would have made $12,820 per DAY to work out this spring.

Now, that might seem like a lot of money, but JT made $8M last season. And he played in 13 games. Assuming an average of 50 plays/game, that 650 plays/season. That means that JT made more than $12,000 per PLAY last year. And for what?

[NCskinsfanatic]

Cooley broke it down that Taylor would have made $12,820 per DAY to work out this spring.

Now, that might seem like a lot of money, but JT made $8M last season. And he played in 13 games. Assuming an average of 50 plays/game, that 650 plays/season. That means that JT made more than $12,000 per PLAY last year. And for what?

For what? Nothing of course lol...

[AliBabba]

Cooley broke it down that Taylor would have made $12,820 per DAY to work out this spring.

Now, that might seem like a lot of money, but JT made $8M last season. And he played in 13 games. Assuming an average of 50 plays/game, that 650 plays/season. That means that JT made more than $12,000 per PLAY last year. And for what?
that's really depressing

[Keino]

Cooley broke it down that Taylor would have made $12,820 per DAY to work out this spring.

Now, that might seem like a lot of money, but JT made $8M last season. And he played in 13 games. Assuming an average of 50 plays/game, that 650 plays/season. That means that JT made more than $12,000 per PLAY last year. And for what?

More than that. I'd give JT an average of 30 plays per game AT MOST. He was largely a situational player in the 2nd half of the season. It's more like 20k per play..........damn.

I wish Dan Snyder would give me some money.......

[skinsfan36]

very anxious to see what this cap space is for. we cnat go into the draft with 3 major needs and only 2 draft picks in the first 100

[BurgundyNGold]

More than that. I'd give JT an average of 30 plays per game AT MOST. He was largely a situational player in the 2nd half of the season. It's more like 20k per play..........damn.

I wish Dan Snyder would give me some money.......
I figure you're right, but it's better to underestimate with this crowd, lol.

http://kewgardenshistory.com/ps99/ps99-012-NS.jpg

[skinfan43]

Apparently Snyderrato were wanting Taylor to be in better shape than last offseason, something that got him cut by Parcells as well... if this was read or posted already, well, who cares...lol:

"The thing was, we talked to his agent, talked to Jason," Cerrato said today at Redskins Park. "Dan and I flew down [to Miami], had dinner with him a couple of weeks ago, [and] told him we wanted him to work out up here 75 percent of the time. And it's not a lot.

"It's 39 workouts to make 75 percent, and 14 of 'em are mandatory with the OTAs [organized team activities] and the minicamps. So it was 25 workouts in 13 weeks. He could come on Tuesday, worked out Wednesday, work out early Thursday and fly home. He'd just have to be here Tuesday and Wednesday, really."

Last offseason, Bill Parcells, then just starting as Miami's executive vice president of football operations, was displeased that Taylor decided to spend much of the previous offseason participating on "Dancing With The Stars" in Los Angeles instead of being with the team in Miami. Cerrato cited Taylor's participation on the TV show among the reasons Snyder wanted Taylor in Ashburn for the workout program.

"We felt like to get the best out of him, because he didn't work out all last year, because he was doing dancing" they needed him to be at the complex, Cerrato said. "And that's what Bill had the problem with, because he wasn't in [Miami's] offseason program. We just wanted to get him in shape to make sure that he was in shape."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/cerrato_disappointed_by_taylor.html

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Good reddens. What a waste of a year and two picks. That was the most boneheaded move ever, only Jeff George was worse and Deion was worse, but that's it.
The Parcells Dolphins fleeced our team of it's picks. He still hates us. I still can't believe that our FO got so nervous last year on the first day of camp that they panicked and traded away more of our teams future.

Jason Taylor is a punk, who doesn't want to work. And by the way he is not a Hall of Famer, he should not come close. He's 14th on the list of sack leaders, not too good. He will never make it in the Hall, especially now.

[shally]

Good reddens. What a waste of a year and two picks. That was the most boneheaded move ever, only Jeff George was worse and Deion was worse, but that's it.
The Parcells Dolphins fleeced our team of it's picks. He still hates us. I still can't believe that our FO got so nervous last year on the first day of camp that they panicked and traded away more of our teams future.

Jason Taylor is a punk, who doesn't want to work. And by the way he is not a Hall of Famer, he should not come close. He's 14th on the list of sack leaders, not too good. He will never make it in the Hall, especially now.

i dont feel that bitter... but good riddance.. put the cap space to better use this year

[BurgundyNGold]

i dont feel that bitter... but good riddance.. put the cap space to better use this year
I'm not bitter either, but I'll feel pretty bitter if Snyderrato doesn't put that cap space to good use (i.e. get 2 or 3 starters out of the FA crop).

[shally]

I'm not bitter either, but I'll feel pretty bitter if Snyderrato doesn't put that cap space to good use (i.e. get 2 or 3 starters out of the FA crop).

got one already: dirk johnson, starting punter

[skinsfan36]

got one already: dirk johnson, starting punter

hopefully 2 more coming in willis/brown and some linebacker

[BurgundyNGold]

got one already: dirk johnson, starting punter
I don't count punter as a starter. Or a player, lol.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Well at least JT will have more time to spend with his dancing instructor, Marcus Washington. :)

[shally]

I don't count punter as a starter. Or a player, lol.


considering the damage that punters did to the team overall last year, you might want to reconsider that position...lol