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RedskinsDave

03-02-2009, 04:06 PM

No link yet but will ASAP.

Skaggsrules

03-02-2009, 04:07 PM

http://blog.redskins.com/2009/03/02/jason-taylor-released/#continued

I don't know, needed cap room

Skaggsrules

03-02-2009, 04:08 PM

Just beat me to it, will have to merge

http://blog.redskins.com/2009/03/02/jason-taylor-released/#continued

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 04:11 PM

Well I hope cutting him gave us the room for a couple of moves. So now we need a DE again, a RT and an OLB...all capable of starting imo.

RedskinsDave

03-02-2009, 04:11 PM

Who is going to take his place?

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 04:13 PM

Who is going to take his place?

Phillip Daniels or Evans most likely...unless there's a cheaper option.

AGibbsGirl

03-02-2009, 04:13 PM

SHOCK...SURPRISE....SARCASM....I think we were all prepared for this one

JasonCampbell

03-02-2009, 04:14 PM

So, worst draft ever by Vinny?

LATrueRedskin

03-02-2009, 04:14 PM

Who is going to take his place?

That's what I'd like to know. I was kind of excited to have him come back and play alongside Haynesworth. I think he can come back from last year and play well. Now we're stuck with another need.

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:15 PM

I'd bet money they have another decent sized move up their sleeve, and this makes DE probably where they're going in the draft.

Rogers_Redskins

03-02-2009, 04:16 PM

So basically we threw away another draft pick!!!

JasonCampbell

03-02-2009, 04:16 PM

That's what I'd like to know. I was kind of excited to have him come back and play alongside Haynesworth. I think he can come back from last year and play well. Now we're stuck with another need.

Me too...but not for $8 million.

RedskinsDave

03-02-2009, 04:17 PM

So basically we threw away another draft pick!!!

Two.

AGibbsGirl

03-02-2009, 04:19 PM

I was really pulling for this guy, but the injuries, the lack of motivation...if I had to read one more time, how he was thinking about retiring

...I dunno, for me, I'm ready to move on NEXT!

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:19 PM

Igor Olshansky? I know he's a 3-4 defensive end, but he's that big defensive end we've been looking for. I don't know what type of contract he's looking for, but if he's cheap I say bring him on. Just a thought.

Green Bay is hot for him. We need a speed rusher, not a fast DT.

Rogers_Redskins

03-02-2009, 04:20 PM

Two.

I would be happy if Vinnie gave up draft picks for a CLUE on how to run a football team.

Redskin006

03-02-2009, 04:20 PM

Who is going to take his place?

Igor Olshansky? I know he's a 3-4 defensive end, but he's that big defensive end we've been looking for. I don't know what type of contract he's looking for, but if he's cheap I say bring him on. Just a thought.

jaylen

03-02-2009, 04:22 PM

well let me lick my finger and see what I think is coming next. OLD LB ALERT.

or possibly. TJ Housemazillii championship

they were saying it was because he refused to work out in the offseason with the team which makes this a joke.

so we traded a 2nd rd pick for nothing. wonderful

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:23 PM

PFT has some detail:

The team was willing to keep Taylor at his $8 million salary, but asked for a workout clause to be added to his contract.

The workout clause would have required Taylor to attend 25 of 39 days of the offseason program, and he refused.

And so the move was made. Taylor will soon be on the market.

jaylen

03-02-2009, 04:25 PM

so we let Springs skate for years and get tough with Taylor.

our front office is special.

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 04:26 PM

I'd bet money they have another decent sized move up their sleeve, and this makes DE probably where they're going in the draft.

Well then they need to get an OLB and/or a RT in free agency imo. WE can possibly address 2 starters with our 1st and 3rd but doubt we can come out of the draft with three ready to go starters at RT, OLB and DE.

LATrueRedskin

03-02-2009, 04:26 PM

so we let Springs skate for years and get tough with Taylor.

our front office is special.

Yeah, don't really get that one. It sounds like Snyder and Cerrato are going to use the offseason workout clause as justification to cut him and throw away 2 draft picks.

The Skinsinator

03-02-2009, 04:26 PM

To the capologists how much does this free up? Kind of surprised by this but not much I guess. It's hard to think we don't have a plan B cause Cerrato publically stated a few weeks ago that Taylor was staying. I can hear Tuna's laugh right now.

zozza8

03-02-2009, 04:27 PM

So now do we go for Orakpo, I figured we wouldnt need an other DE but now with this news is he back on our radar?

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:28 PM

Yeah, don't really get that one. It sounds like Snyder and Cerrato are going to use the offseason workout clause as justification to cut him and throw away 2 draft picks.

+1.

To the capologists how much does this free up? Kind of surprised by this but not much I guess. It's hard to think we don't have a plan B cause Cerrato publically stated a few weeks ago that Taylor was staying. I can hear Tuna's laugh right now.

We save the entire 8 million. We were barely under the cap after Dock, Hall and Haynesworth.

jaylen

03-02-2009, 04:29 PM

I'm okay with with move if we go after a RT in free agency. Maybe the Barnes kid, then a lb and then draft a pass rusher.

shally

03-02-2009, 04:30 PM

I'd bet money they have another decent sized move up their sleeve, and this makes DE probably where they're going in the draft.

i would agree.. orakpo ??

but i think they re sign daniels, and maybe re sign evans if he doesnt get picked up by someone else..

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:31 PM

i would agree.. orakpo ??

If he's there, or Michael Johnson. But it doesn't make sense if they aren't fixing the RT spot.

but i think they re sign daniels, and maybe re sign evans if he doesnt get picked up by someone else..

Too low ball for that much cash. They clearly provoked Taylor into giving them a reason to dump him.

SkinsfaninNJ

03-02-2009, 04:31 PM

$8M is a good amount of cap room, but we now have another glaring hole to fill.

jaylen

03-02-2009, 04:32 PM

i would agree.. orakpo ??

but i think they re sign daniels, and maybe re sign evans if he doesnt get picked up by someone else..

I've sorta had it with Evans and daniels but you could be right.

the mediocre solid players thing is not getting us any closer to a pass rush .

shally

03-02-2009, 04:32 PM

PFT has some detail:

so..parcells is vindicated in his assessment of taylor's committment to the game ?

silverspring

03-02-2009, 04:32 PM

The team was willing to keep Taylor at his $8 million salary, but asked for a workout clause to be added to his contract.

The workout clause would have required Taylor to attend 25 of 39 days of the offseason program, and he refused.

And so the move was made. Taylor will soon be on the market.

This shows his interest level in football.

Thank goodness we aren't continued to invest massive money into an old stop gap, we already wasted enough money/draft picks.

JasonCampbell

03-02-2009, 04:34 PM

so..parcells is vindicated in his assessment of taylor's committment to the game ?

Not willing to show up at 64% of off-season workouts. I guess so :(

shally

03-02-2009, 04:34 PM

If he's there, or Michael Johnson. But it doesn't make sense if they aren't fixing the RT spot.

Too low ball for that much cash. They clearly provoked Taylor into giving them a reason to dump him.

they have plenty of money to go after willis or tauscher now.. also a linebacker before the draft

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:34 PM

so..parcells is vindicated in his assessment of taylor's committment to the game ?

Who knows. Vinny could have thrown that in there just to provoke him. As Jaylen said: we let Springs(and others) skate on being focused, now we're laying down the law? Does not compute.

shally

03-02-2009, 04:37 PM

Who knows. Vinny could have thrown that in there just to provoke him. As Jaylen said: we let Springs(and others) skate on being focused, now we're laying down the law? Does not compute.

i think they wanted that large cap space to do something. between carter, buzzbee, jackson and wilson they have enough to replace taylor's production

besides, carter and taylor are essentially the same player. they needed a L DE to stop the run.. they still do..

Redskinmayhem

03-02-2009, 04:37 PM

they have plenty of money to go after willis or tauscher now.. also a linebacker before the draft

that's interesting although I'm wondering if Orakpo is on their minds now....

shally

03-02-2009, 04:37 PM

Who knows. Vinny could have thrown that in there just to provoke him. As Jaylen said: we let Springs(and others) skate on being focused, now we're laying down the law? Does not compute.

and i think there is a player out there NOW that they want.. i will be very surprised if they dont sign someone inthe next couple of days using that space

shally

03-02-2009, 04:39 PM

that's interesting although I'm wondering if Orakpo is on their minds now....

orakpo is said to be going top 5-10 by some draft services.. they cannot count on him being there at 13

JasonCampbell

03-02-2009, 04:39 PM

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:40 PM

and i think there is a player out there NOW that they want.. i will be very surprised if they dont sign someone inthe next couple of days using that space

Just to cause trouble...

http://alltalksports.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/ray-lewis.jpg

?

jaylen

03-02-2009, 04:41 PM

and i think there is a player out there NOW that they want.. i will be very surprised if they dont sign someone inthe next couple of days using that space

yeah someone is coming in. Some agent called them with a hot deal they are simmering to get done.

what is typical of this front office though. who is that guy.

Ray Lewis, Cutler, TJ, Chad Johnson, Derrick Brooks, Anquan Bolden.

shally

03-02-2009, 04:41 PM

Just to cause trouble...

http://alltalksports.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/ray-lewis.jpg

?

if he can play SLB, hell yeah !! but i dont think he can, and we arent moving fletcher any where

who is your next guess ?

VegasSkinsFan

03-02-2009, 04:41 PM

i think they wanted that large cap space to do something. between carter, buzzbee, jackson and wilson they have enough to replace taylor's production

besides, carter and taylor are essentially the same player. they needed a L DE to stop the run.. they still do..

Another day another change of mind. Now I am convinced they are going to attempt to trade down a few spots and grab LSU DE Tyson Jackson , then go to the OL. He is more of the run stopping de than pass rush, has decent size and a pretty big wingspan from what i remember...good to block passes ala PD. GO SKINS !!!!!

Sean36

03-02-2009, 04:42 PM

that's interesting although I'm wondering if Orakpo is on their minds now....

Now just imagine (AD, CG, AH, & Orakpo) then on OL (CS,DD,CR, & that Ray Willis guy.....& including another guard through the draft) that means we rebuild the lines in one offseason. But don't hold your breath.LOL

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:43 PM

if he can play SLB, hell yeah !! but i dont think he can, and we arent moving fletcher any where

who is your next guess ?

Chris McAlister(and dump Smoot)?
Matt Birk?
Tauscher?

shally

03-02-2009, 04:43 PM

yeah someone is coming in. Some agent called them with a hot deal they are simmering to get done.

what is typical of this front office though. who is that guy.

it wouldnt surprise me if it is evans.. or a right tackle..

but the urgency of this move suggests it is someone out there who is almost signed..
TJ Whoseyourmama?
Willis?
could be ray-ray, but we still need a SLB and LDE and i dont think he plays either...

shally

03-02-2009, 04:44 PM

Chris McAlister(and dump Smoot)?
Matt Birk?
Tauscher?
Tauscher before birk because we strengthened the middle and rabach is going no where
mcalister or even bartells (who has not signed yet)

how about peppers !!!!!

JasonCampbell

03-02-2009, 04:45 PM

Initially, I thought this was a good move. We now have space to make some more deals...then I remember who would be making these deals (and that Ray Ray pic put the fear of God in me). IMO, we've done some good things so far this past week with Albert, Doc, and Hall...I don't think lightning can strike four times :(

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:46 PM

Tauscher before birk because we strengthened the middle and rabach is going no where
mcalister or even bartells (who has not signed yet)

how about peppers !!!!!

Good one, I'll start spreading that rumor lol.

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 04:46 PM

they have plenty of money to go after willis or tauscher now.. also a linebacker before the draft

We should sign Crowell and Willis if we can afford them imo. If not then Willis and DD Lewis who can play all three LB spots.

Skinsfan1906

03-02-2009, 04:46 PM

So basically we threw away another draft pick!!!

Yep......pretty much. :confused:

I went to high school in Pittsburgh, and from then until now, I can rarely recall the Steelers giving up multiple draft picks for aging vets past their prime. I guess that is why they are who they are.....and as of late (Snyder Era), we are who we are.

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 04:46 PM

We should sign Crowell and Willis if we can afford them imo.

Crowell makes a lot of sense.

shally

03-02-2009, 04:47 PM

We should sign Crowell and Willis if we can afford them imo.

we could sign both and have money left over

i dont think that willis is that good.. has he had any visits ??

shally

03-02-2009, 04:48 PM

Crowell makes a lot of sense.

they havent even discussed LB as far as visits to this point.. why now ?

JsMaViSd

03-02-2009, 04:48 PM

glad hes gone.

got a feeling they rotate Evans and Daniels. But Evans came out and said he wants a shot to be a starter...

shally

03-02-2009, 04:48 PM

they havent even discussed LB as far as visits to this point.. why now ?

derrick brooks.. that is a snyderrato signing if there ever was one

JsMaViSd

03-02-2009, 04:50 PM

id love to see them bring in Brooks or Cato June

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 04:50 PM

we could sign both and have money left over

i dont think that willis is that good.. has he had any visits ??

He's a former 4th rounder, that has played T and G, I dont think he's a big upgrade over Heyer but is still young, could benefit from Buges tutelage, and slide inside to RG if Randy continues to struggle. Havent heard of any visits scheduled. If they're worried about Crowells asking price or ijury history we could sign DD Lewis another back up guy, but one of the better back ups that can play all 3 spots.

shally

03-02-2009, 04:51 PM

He's a former 4th rounder that has played T and G, I donmt think he's a definate upgrade over Heyer but is still young, could benefit from Buges tutelage, and slide inside to RG if Randy continues to struggle. Havent heard of any visits scheduled. If they're worried about Crowells asking price or ijury history we could sign DD Lewis another back up guy, but one of the better back ups that can play all 3 spots.

all those guys are chump change

june or brooks would cost some money--especially brooks

jaylen

03-02-2009, 04:52 PM

we should hang a sign at Redskins Park that says no more dealing with great players past their primes.

Sean36

03-02-2009, 04:53 PM

Crowell makes a lot of sense.

so if we snag crowell & Ray Willis....do we trade down & get Duke Robinson & hope Micheal Johnson falls or we could draft Selvie in the 2nd round.

Skinsfan1906

03-02-2009, 04:53 PM

Crowell makes a lot of sense.

Ditto AKH.......Ditto.

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 04:54 PM

all those guys are chump change

june or brooks would cost some money--especially brooks

I dont want Brooks at all...and dont think Cato is as good as he was when with the Colts. I'd be fine with a few depth guys like Willis and Lewis along with re-signing Evans or Daniels and adding a P. Cheaper guys like Willis, Evans and Lewis may be the only way to improve our depth, add a P and give us flexibility come draft time.

shally

03-02-2009, 04:55 PM

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 04:56 PM

Crowell makes a lot of sense.

He's from the area I believe, and probably is finding out teams arent gonna pay top dollar after his injury last year. Dont tknow if he'd be real cheap but he shouldnt cost anymore than Boley imo, hopefully less.

shally

03-02-2009, 04:56 PM

Ditto AKH.......Ditto.

you dont need 8 million to sign a guy coming off major knee surgery

Fathead

03-02-2009, 04:57 PM

i am telling you all, this is not about depth players.. this is about someone big

maybe we are trading campbell to the broncos and need the cap space to sign cutler to a new deal ??? (ducks and backs away slowly...............)

GREAT! Now you've cursed us. If the skins do this I'm boycotting the season.

shally

03-02-2009, 04:57 PM

He's from the area I believe, and probably is finding out teams arent gonna pay top dollar after his injury last year. Dont tknow if he'd be real cheap but he shouldnt cost anymore than Boley imo, hopefully less.

lemme say i would love crowell + tauscher or willis...or evans, even.. but that would be very unlike the redskins to sign multiple second tier players..

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 04:57 PM

i am telling you all, this is not about depth players.. this is about someone big

maybe we are trading campbell to the broncos and need the cap space to sign cutler to a new deal ??? (ducks and backs away slowly...............)

It probably is something big...just hopefully no bigger than Crowell. I still think guys like Tauscher, Willis and DD Lewis could help this club though. Not that Im against Cutler mind ya lol...

silverspring

03-02-2009, 04:58 PM

I hope in the future they make this workout clause part of every contract from the beginning, it makes a lot of sense and demonstrates the player's commitment to the team/game.

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 04:59 PM

lemme say i would love crowell + tauscher or willis...or evans, even.. but that would be very unlike the redskins to sign multiple second tier players..

They've signed a couple of big names, if they were smart they'd sign 3 second tier guys like you just referenced. But Im not holding my breath.

shally

03-02-2009, 04:59 PM

not bartell, he just signed with the rams

the dolphins are releasing vonnie holiday.. good, old DE.. maybe him ?? (jk)

Gravy

03-02-2009, 05:00 PM

i am telling you all, this is not about depth players.. this is about someone big

maybe we are trading campbell to the broncos and need the cap space to sign cutler to a new deal ??? (ducks and backs away slowly...............)

...IDK about Culter but YES, this reeks of someone big...but who??????

shally

03-02-2009, 05:00 PM

They've signed a couple of big names, if they were smart they'd sign 3 second tier guys like you just referenced. But Im not holding my breath.

TJ ??

we cant afford peppers anyway

i know, hunter smith P

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 05:01 PM

...IDK about Culter but YES, this reeks of someone big...but who??????

Could be Peppers lol...

RedskinsDave

03-02-2009, 05:01 PM

This doesn't mean something big is coming up. They were surprised by Dock being available and that's money they need now.

shally

03-02-2009, 05:02 PM

hunter smith P 1-2 mil per year
crowell LB 2-3 mill per year
tauscher RT 2-3 mil per year

and there you go... or sub evans for tauscher and draft a RT in the draft

shally

03-02-2009, 05:04 PM

This doesn't mean something big is coming up. They were surprised by Dock being available and that's money they need now.
i think that was already accounted for because they had offerred dockery something at the stroke of midnight.. even before hall and haynesworth signed

this is about someone out there right now that they want to get before someone else does
it may not mean something big, but i believe it is about something ELSE.. otherwise they would have found someone to re-do a contract.. this needed to be done right now

Ibleedburgundy

03-02-2009, 05:04 PM

Man I thought he was going to stay and at least add something seeing as how Haynesworth would take up the double teams and he would be healthier this season. oh well.

Agree with Shally. Seems to me they would only do this if they had something big up their sleeves.

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 05:04 PM

This doesn't mean something big is coming up. They were surprised by Dock being available and that's money they need now.

They were barely under the cap after those signings, you don't clear out 8 million just for breathing room(and for the record, I dont buy that they suddenly want him to start working out).

shally

03-02-2009, 05:06 PM

They were barely under the cap after those signings, you don't clear out 8 million just for breathing room(and for the record, I dont buy that they suddenly want him to start working out).

absolutely.. this is to go after someone very specific who is out there right now, and who they dont think will be there for long

VegasSkinsFan

03-02-2009, 05:10 PM

This smells terribly like a trade coming....i dont see that many big names out there left in FA...or its a big ruse to get us looking stage right while they sneak frosty the shankman stage wrong. :smash:

inevitable

03-02-2009, 05:13 PM

shally

03-02-2009, 05:16 PM

some other possibles:

D Evans was delayed getting to the niners.. maybe they want him after all?

J Greer CB left the lions without a contract

D Bowens LB is still unsigned but the jets are saying, maybe

Marques Douglas DE is still unsigned but visiting teams

also Pace and Holt are onthe block for the Rams to trade???

VegasSkinsFan

03-02-2009, 05:16 PM

:lol1: I certainly hope not!

Yeah me either, but think about...they only they could get him back on the roster ( without the fanbse blowing a gasket ) would be to hide him with the "Jason Taylor is cut" headline. I was actually excited to see JT line up next to AH, oh well. GO SKINS !!!!!

shally

03-02-2009, 05:18 PM

Yeah me either, but think about...they only they could get him back on the roster ( without the fanbse blowing a gasket ) would be to hide him with the "Jason Taylor is cut" headline. I was actually excited to see JT line up next to AH, oh well. GO SKINS !!!!!

if taylor proved one thing last year, it was that he is no LDE in blache's schemes

Skins7ny

03-02-2009, 05:18 PM

I'd bet money they have another decent sized move up their sleeve, and this makes DE probably where they're going in the draft.
If it is a LB, but I don't see any LBs on the market who would command those kind of $$$. Except Ray-Ray.
well let me lick my finger and see what I think is coming next. OLD LB ALERT.
or possibly. TJ Housemazillii championship
they were saying it was because he refused to work out in the offseason with the team which makes this a joke.
so we traded a 2nd rd pick for nothing. wonderful
That is a pile of crap. There is no way that they cut him because he wouldn't work out. Do you think that occurred to them when they traded for him? They got his committment for 2 years, don't we think they would have addressed that as well. As they usually do, (see Steve Spagnuolo, etc.) Danny and Vinny are lying to save face. Sadly, we cannot believe a word that comes out of Redskin Park. They don't want to admit that Taylor is washed up and that they messed up by trading for him.
Yeah, don't really get that one. It sounds like Snyder and Cerrato are going to use the offseason workout clause as justification to cut him and throw away 2 draft picks.
You don't get it because IT IS A LIE. It is so ridiculous as to defy description. Springs didn't work out in DC last year, did they cut him? Portis didn't promise to work out here this off-season, are they going to cut him? Just how stupid does the FO and their mouthpiece Larry Michael think we in Redskins Nation are?
+1.
We save the entire 8 million. We were barely under the cap after Dock, Hall and Haynesworth.
I think we also owed him a $500,000 bonus this week, which may be why we cut him now. That is on top of the $8M salary he would have made.
so..parcells is vindicated in his assessment of taylor's committment to the game ?
Parcells was vindicated during the first 14 weeks of the season when JT couldn't get near the passer. Maybe he should send Vinny and Dan a gallon of vanilla ice cream for them to eat while Parcells is making what should have been our pick.
Another day another change of mind. Now I am convinced they are going to attempt to trade down a few spots and grab LSU DE Tyson Jackson , then go to the OL. He is more of the run stopping de than pass rush, has decent size and a pretty big wingspan from what i remember...good to block passes ala PD. GO SKINS !!!!!
From what I hear, Jackson is a Wynn/Evans/Canty clone, a one-dimensional run-stopper who cannot rush the passer to save his life. Those players should not be taken on the 1st round. I would pass.
Chris McAlister(and dump Smoot)?
Matt Birk?
Tauscher?
Chris McAlister is a name I could see coming here. I think the guy can still play, and his age, perceived attitude and slightly diminished play might limit his options, making our proximity to Baltimore and proximity to playoff contention attractive to him. He certainly is a big enough name for Snyder to go after. Going after Willis and trying to build some "deep depth" on the OL is probably just as important as upgrading the 3rd CB slot from Smoot.
Hopefully he uses the $8.5M cap room from the Taylor cut to sign some depth players-there are going to be some excellent bargains available in free agency, and we should take advantage of the market (instead of the other way around, as usually happens).
so if we snag crowell & Ray Willis....do we trade down & get Duke Robinson & hope Micheal Johnson falls or we could draft Selvie in the 2nd round.
I think Selvie decided to return to school. I don't think he came out for the draft.
I dont want Brooks at all...and dont think Cato is as good as he was when with the Colts. I'd be fine with a few depth guys like Willis and Lewis along with re-signing Evans or Daniels and adding a P. Cheaper guys like Willis, Evans and Lewis may be the only way to improve our depth, add a P and give us flexibility come draft time.
Brooks and Cato would have to play WLB, they are not big enough for SLB. I don't think Rocky is big enough or durable enough to switch to the strong-side, where he will have to take on tight ends who outweigh him by 20-30 lbs. with regularity. We need a big thumper/run stuffer, preferably someone who can rush the passer on 3rd down.
lemme say i would love crowell + tauscher or willis...or evans, even.. but that would be very unlike the redskins to sign multiple second tier players..
You're right, because that would make too much sense. I don't think Dan and Vinny can spell the word "depth".

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 05:19 PM

If it is a LB, but I don't see any LBs on the market who would command those kind of $$$. Except Ray-Ray.

No, but Crowell at 3 million and a RT at 4-5 million would make sense.

I think we also owed him a $500,000 bonus this week, which may be why we cut him now. That is on top of the $8M salary he would have made.

I can't find anything that backs that up.

shally

03-02-2009, 05:21 PM

i think they will sign evans.. they probably called him and since he never made it to the niners maybe they correct the mistake.. it gives them
a run stopping DE who can slide to the middle.
they watched what the giants did with canty and said, hmmmmmmm..

Gravy

03-02-2009, 05:21 PM

They were barely under the cap after those signings, you don't clear out 8 million just for breathing room(and for the record, I dont buy that they suddenly want him to start working out).

...ah yes the good ole "workout" clause gets 'em every time...I wonder if Vinny is sitting by himself saying, "RAY LEWIS, RAY LEWIS, RAY LEWIS"

shally

03-02-2009, 05:22 PM

No, but Crowell at 3 million and a RT at 4-5 million would make sense.

I can't find anything that backs that up.

that is exactly what tauscher would cost.. crowell or june would be about 3 mil

shally

03-02-2009, 05:23 PM

...ah yes the good ole "workout" clause gets 'em every time...I wonder if Vinny is sitting by himself saying, "RAY LEWIS, RAY LEWIS, RAY LEWIS"

that would be SOOOOOOOO typical

on the other hand, how much do you think ray ray would like to play behind haynesworth ?

RedskinRyan

03-02-2009, 05:23 PM

Two.

If you think about it, Vinny *CBS*ed up on 4 second round draft choices last year.

VegasSkinsFan

03-02-2009, 05:23 PM

To play optimist....maybe THEY ( not us ) think the platoon of buzbee/jackson/wilson can handle things along with evans. Only wishful thinking.

syphy

03-02-2009, 05:24 PM

It's going to be some crazy move like giving away next years draft to the Ravens for Suggs and had to cut Taylor to make room. :crazy:

shally

03-02-2009, 05:24 PM

To play optimist....maybe they think the platoon of buzbee/jackson/wilson can handle things along with evans. Only wishful thinking.

that combo would be as good as taylor based upon last year's production-- easily

maybe taylor goes to NE ?

JasonCampbell

03-02-2009, 05:24 PM

For what it is worth, Kelly Johnson just said on WPL that this same exact contract clause was put into the three guys they signed on Friday.

RedskinRyan

03-02-2009, 05:25 PM

that would be SOOOOOOOO typical

on the other hand, how much do you think ray ray would like to play behind haynesworth ?

Not as much as he'd like to have a contract like the one Fat Albert got. If Lewis was so concerned with who to play with, money wouldn't be a thang for him to stay in Baltimore.

shally

03-02-2009, 05:25 PM

It's going to be some crazy move like giving away next years draft to the Ravens for Suggs and had to cut Taylor to make room. :crazy:

or trading st loo for orlando pace...lol

shally

03-02-2009, 05:26 PM

For what it is worth, Kelly Johnson just said on WPL that this same exact contract clause was put into the three guys they signed on Friday.

foresight, for sure.. but this is about someone else, not taylor

Gravy

03-02-2009, 05:27 PM

that would be SOOOOOOOO typical

on the other hand, how much do you think ray ray would like to play behind haynesworth ?

DUDE...its Dan Synder...I bet Ray Lewis told his agent that he wanted to play for the Skins...and hey everyone knows you can't get some serious $$ playing in D.C....and the fact that Danny Boy has to stay ahead of Jerry...:Pickle:

Sean36

03-02-2009, 05:28 PM

DUDE...its Dan Synder...I bet Ray Lewis told his agent that he wanted to play for the Skins...and hey everyone knows you can't get some serious $$ playing in D.C....and the fact that Danny Boy has to stay ahead of Jerry...:Pickle:

can ray even play outside?

Skins7ny

03-02-2009, 05:30 PM

No, but Crowell at 3 million and a RT at 4-5 million would make sense.
I can't find anything that backs that up.
See 3 paragraphs below the picture. Says he was due a $500,000 roster bonus next (i.e. this) week.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/25/AR2009022503965.html?sub=AR
that would be SOOOOOOOO typical
on the other hand, how much do you think ray ray would like to play behind haynesworth ?
Excellent point. And he would be sticking it to Bisciotti and Newsome by coming 40 minutes down I-95. It would be exactly the kind of signing Danny Boy salivates over.
If you think about it, Vinny *CBS*ed up on 4 second round draft choices last year.
That is really not easy to do. You have to have a special talent for messing up in order to do that.

Although, to be fair to Vinny, the jury is far from out on those 3 guys. I think each of them may end up being good players. It really is too early to tell. We will have a much better idea at the end of next year, although some WRs take to their 3rd year to blossom.

shally

03-02-2009, 05:30 PM

Not as much as he'd like to have a contract like the one Fat Albert got. If Lewis was so concerned with who to play with, money wouldn't be a thang for him to stay in Baltimore.

...............and who better to pay him than Dannyboy ?

DUDE...its Dan Synder...I bet Ray Lewis told his agent that he wanted to play for the Skins...and hey everyone knows you can't get some serious $$ playing in D.C....and the fact that Danny Boy has to stay ahead of Jerry...:Pickle:

yeh, i can see that one going down.. he didnt get to stick it to jerruh by signing canty, so keeping the star off of ray ray might do it for snyder...

Skinsfan1906

03-02-2009, 05:30 PM

you dont need 8 million to sign a guy coming off major knee surgery

Well maybe we should just go ahead and cut Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, Malcolm Kelly because of their knee issues.

No, he isn't THE answer, but the $8 million can be used to get him and another need player.

shally

03-02-2009, 05:30 PM

can ray even play outside?

that is the one fly in the ointment...

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 05:31 PM

See 3 paragraphs below the picture. Says he was due a $500,000 roster bonus next (i.e. this) week.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/25/AR2009022503965.html?sub=AR

Ok, thanks. But that is:
1-not much cash.
2-would have been counted in for 2009 before the big deals.

Thats not enough to justify cutting him.

shally

03-02-2009, 05:31 PM

Well maybe we should just go ahead and cut Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, Malcolm Kelly because of their knee issues.

No, he isn't THE answer, but the $8 million can be used to get him and another need player.

missed my point.. i didnt mean that knee surgery was a career ender, but it did end crowells season last year and even at his best, you dont need 8 million to sign him

and if they do that, i would be happy

LadyNRedskinsfan

03-02-2009, 05:36 PM

Ehh....I was hoping to see what JT could do lined up with FA, but I have a feeling this cut is gonna lead to some big splash, although it doesn't have to. And eventhough we gave up two picks for Jason, I still feel it was the right move at the time. Its just messed up that he had the season he did. I'm anxious to see whats gonna happen now.......

esmith1790

03-02-2009, 05:36 PM

...............and who better to pay him than Dannyboy ?

yeh, i can see that one going down.. he didnt get to stick it to jerruh by signing canty, so keeping the star off of ray ray might do it for snyder...

The boys already signed Keith Brooking to play ILB, if we were going to get Ray Lewis we would have already done it, no need no with Brooking on board.

So he wouldnt be sticking to Jerry Jones.

shally

03-02-2009, 05:37 PM

Biggie

03-02-2009, 05:37 PM

I knew this move would be a bust.

shally

03-02-2009, 05:38 PM

Gravy

03-02-2009, 05:38 PM

...Jon Onion (Runyun...how is it spelled) maybe????

shally

03-02-2009, 05:43 PM

...Jon Onion (Runyun...how is it spelled) maybe????

i dont think he is far enough from knee surgery to pass a physical yet ??

tra thomas is also a FA i believe

VegasSkinsFan

03-02-2009, 05:53 PM

i dont think he is far enough from knee surgery to pass a physical yet ??

tra thomas is also a FA i believe

Yep, and not a big enough name. IF this move is for a NAME...adn TJ just signed...the only names i can think of but dont want would be Ohco Cinco, Peppers,Suggs... maybe Ray Lewis or the rumor cutler/campbell. I hope none of those are in order and would rather use that $8M for depth and a starter. Also, i thought i read that Rolle was not happy on the ravens...could that be something?? GO SKINS !!!!!!

Battle Cat

03-02-2009, 05:54 PM

I think we should go into the draft just like we are. I think it gives us a better chance to trade down. If we can have the opportunity to take Orakpo, one of the tackles or the linebacker kid from USC. There will still be plenty of time to pick up a retread. Probably will be more retreads available after the draft than before.

VegasSkinsFan

03-02-2009, 05:57 PM

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 05:58 PM

...Jon Onion (Runyun...how is it spelled) maybe????
Might not be ready for the start of the season due to surgery, but a heckuva RT when healthy, what a mean streak...

Something fairly big DOES seem to be brewing... don't discount Peppers, Pace, Lewis, or Cutler out of any of it, even if it means (gulp) more draft picks in the future.
I hope it's etiher Crowell/June and either Tauscher/Incognito (RFA from Rams)

shally

03-02-2009, 05:59 PM

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There should be a few "Randall Godfreys" after the draft...solid but nothing fancy players.

there are some of them out there right now.. this cap savings is not for after the draft, this is for real soon..

Gravy

03-02-2009, 06:02 PM

...looks like Houseyourmomma is going the Seahawks.

VegasSkinsFan

03-02-2009, 06:02 PM

Might not be ready for the start of the season due to surgery, but a heckuva RT when healthy, what a mean streak...

Something fairly big DOES seem to be brewing... don't discount Peppers, Pace, Lewis, or Cutler out of any of it, even if it means (gulp) more draft picks in the future.I hope it's etiher Crowell/June and either Tauscher/Incognito (RFA from Rams)

Makes sense...if there is no cap...we can buy every FA. :sfight:

ClubSandwichGuy

03-02-2009, 06:04 PM

shally

03-02-2009, 06:05 PM

Might not be ready for the start of the season due to surgery, but a heckuva RT when healthy, what a mean streak...

Something fairly big DOES seem to be brewing... don't discount Peppers, Pace, Lewis, or Cutler out of any of it, even if it means (gulp) more draft picks in the future.
I hope it's etiher Crowell/June and either Tauscher/Incognito (RFA from Rams)

incognito re signed just before the deadline

if we sign runyon it would give us a lot of age at RT, along with uncertainty (heyer).. i dont think runyon is going anywhere so soon

shally

03-02-2009, 06:06 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a few days ago Snyder said that Taylor wasn't going anywhere. But now he is cut because he wouldn't work the offseason? Nope. Something is fishy.

My guess is SOMEONE gave Snyder and offer that he couldn't refuse. Has to be. We will be signing another big player in free agency, I predict. That player isn't Housh, he just got signed. Probably a linemen or a LB. Hopefully not Ray Lewis, he just doesn't fit in our scheme.

My prediction: Big signing by 'skins in the next 48 hours.

i see it the same way.. what could have changed inthe past several days to make them sour on taylor ? nothing !! this is about the instant cap space he provides. they want to make a move quickly while someone is available

i wouldnt put it past the front office to pull the pin on a trade for cutler because
A. we have made big trades with denver before this
B. the front office has signaled it is no hurry to re sign campbell
C denver has a potential huge headache with their starting qb
D we dont have to trade campbell until the draft anyway..

still, i DONT think this is the direction they are going.. i think it is still about defense...

hogs86

03-02-2009, 06:08 PM

Just to cause trouble...

http://alltalksports.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/ray-lewis.jpg

?

Do not be surprised. JC did say something shocking will happen.lol

silverspring

03-02-2009, 06:10 PM

Gravy

03-02-2009, 06:10 PM

Do not be surprised. JC did say something shocking will happen.lol

...hint, hint, wink, wink...I wonder if this had anything to do with the rescheduling of Hall and Dockery's press confrence

shally

03-02-2009, 06:11 PM

Do not be surprised. JC did say something shocking will happen.lol

could be his butt being shocked if it is for cutler...lol

oldskinfan

03-02-2009, 06:12 PM

I'm not a huge Vinny fan, especially on his drafting, but this is one move I don't ding him for. He did not actively go out to try to get Taylor last year. Daniels went down and Taylor was the best option at that point. Also:

Who knew JT was going to get injured and suck? He had 11 sacks in 2007
Osi had gone down and you knew the Giants would have grabbed him - so Vinny also kept him away from a divison rival
Virtually everyone in the media thought that - if Taylor stayed healthy and delivered his usual 10+ sacks for 2 years - that a 2nd rounder was a deal

I would love to see them bring Evans back. Dude may not be a superstar, but hell, he had as many sacks (3.5) as JT did last year and he can stop the run.

Skins7ny

03-02-2009, 06:12 PM

Ok, thanks. But that is:
1-not much cash.
2-would have been counted in for 2009 before the big deals.

Thats not enough to justify cutting him.

1-You are missing the point. Of course $500,000 is not that much cash. But they were going to cut him anyway. So they waited until right before the $500K was due and cut him then. Obviously, if he was the Jason Taylor of old, they would not have balked at paying him the $500K. It affected not whether they were going to cut him, but when. If they pay him the $500K and later cut him, the $500K gets charged to the cap.
2-the $500K was going to be paid this week, which is during the 2009 NFL Calendar Year. Thus, it would have counted towards our 2009 salary cap. We may not even be $500K under the cap at this point, which may be another reason why we cut him when we did.

hogs86

03-02-2009, 06:13 PM

could be his butt being shocked if it is for cutler...lol

You made me laugh hard.........

shally

03-02-2009, 06:13 PM

I hope they did this because taylor was a money pit and made it clear he didn't care about football by not signing the workout clause.

But it is hard to argue that the real reason is because another splashy move is coming. Staying with that theme, if we were to make a splashy move by replacing taylor with another old vet that use to be something special, who would it be?

What about Marvin Harrison?

harrison has banked about 25 million in the last 3 years... he has little desire to play or to take more contact.. he would be a GAWD-AWFUL
signing. he wont sign for vet minimum, i bet
better to sign engram who had something like 90 catches last year for a team that had a wounded starting qb and a poor backup-- and who would cost a small fraction

shally

03-02-2009, 06:14 PM

BIGREDSKINSFAN1963

03-02-2009, 06:15 PM

another brilliant move by snyder and vinnie.
what a surprise!they should have cut him last week and signed canty.

shally

03-02-2009, 06:15 PM

You made me laugh hard.........

thanks.. i do try.. even succeed every now and then....

ClubSandwichGuy

03-02-2009, 06:16 PM

i see it the same way.. what could have changed inthe past several days to make them sour on taylor ? nothing !! this is about the instant cap space he provides. they want to make a move quickly while someone is available

i wouldnt put it past the front office to pull the pin on a trade for cutler because
A. we have made big trades with denver before this
B. the front office has signaled it is no hurry to re sign campbell
C denver has a potential huge headache with their starting qb
D we dont have to trade campbell until the draft anyway..

still, i DONT think this is the direction they are going.. i think it is still about defense...
Hmmmmm...

I'm not even sure if I would like that move or not. Cutler is good, but he can be a baby sometimes and the offense in denver is more friendly to him than our offense would be here. I would be happier if we invested in the Defense of the O-line. What I am having trouble with is who does Snyder think is worth cutting Taylor for? I can't find anyone who seems to fit the mold...
I hope they did this because taylor was a money pit and made it clear he didn't care about football by not signing the workout clause.

But it is hard to argue that the real reason is because another splashy move is coming. Staying with that theme, if we were to make a splashy move by replacing taylor with another old vet that use to be something special, who would it be?

What about Marvin Harrison?
Ugh I hope not. Let's invest in young players, not just cut one old-washed up player looking for a payday for another.

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 06:17 PM

another brilliant move by snyder and vinnie.
what a surprise!they should have cut him last week and signed canty.
Should have cut him last week, yes. Should have signed Canty, no. Not for that loot. I'd rather have Bertrand Berry for 2 years, $6M with $2M guaranteed, which you could spread across 2 years. That would still leave you $7M in cap space to chase Kalif Barnes and/or an OLB.

silverspring

03-02-2009, 06:17 PM

harrison has banked about 25 million in the last 3 years... he has little desire to play or to take more contact.. he would be a GAWD-AWFUL
signing.

Shally that is exactly my point. I was trying to come up with what stupid way we could spend that money :)
Harrison got cut by the colts because they didn't want to pay his 9million dollar salary, so it just seems like it fits. As ridiculous as it sounds I wouldn't put it by our FO.

shally

03-02-2009, 06:18 PM

another brilliant move by snyder and vinnie.
what a surprise!they should have cut him last week and signed canty.

that's a REAL good point.. they WERENT interesting in canty at all once they had hayneworth.. if they were, they could have done this last week and still had a shot at canty

this is not about canty, whom they passed on.. this is about someone out there right now

Gravy

03-02-2009, 06:19 PM

...Does this smell of some kind of trade...any tots???????

warpaint

03-02-2009, 06:19 PM

i see it the same way.. what could have changed inthe past several days to make them sour on taylor ? nothing !! this is about the instant cap space he provides. they want to make a move quickly while someone is available

i wouldnt put it past the front office to pull the pin on a trade for cutler because
A. we have made big trades with denver before this
B. the front office has signaled it is no hurry to re sign campbell
C denver has a potential huge headache with their starting qb
D we dont have to trade campbell until the draft anyway..

still, i DONT think this is the direction they are going.. i think it is still about defense...

shally seems i am always agreeing with your thoughts, i was thinking all of your ideas a b c d , since cutler has asked to be traded(per what i have read)
i think this is what is going to happen , we have known for a long time who free agents would be to a big extent, but the cutler thing has just happened in teh past few days, this is why it has gone fron jason staying to now his being cut, just hoping here that we wouldnt throw in the 13 pick with any trade

shally

03-02-2009, 06:20 PM

Should have cut him last week, yes. Should have signed Canty, no. Not for that loot. I'd rather have Bertrand Berry for 2 years, $6M with $2M guaranteed, which you could spread across 2 years. That would still leave you $7M in cap space to chase Kalif Barnes and/or an OLB.

are not berry and barnes still out there right now?

what changed today to make them want that pair ? i dont think it is about either of those guys, although you make a great point about value

shally

03-02-2009, 06:22 PM

shally seems i am always agreeing with your thoughts, i was thinking all of your ideas a b c d , since cutler has asked to be traded(per what i have read)
i think this is what is going to happen , we have known for a long time who free agents would be to a big extent, but the cutler thing has just happened in teh past few days, this is why it has gone fron jason staying to now his being cut, just hoping here that we wouldnt throw in the 13 pick with any trade

if it does happen, i think they trade the #13 for cutler and then hope to recoup something for JC on draft day.. or maybe it is a 3 way with him going to tampa ??? or detroit now that they have moved orlovsky ?

still.. they could have had cassels for a #2?

this is giving me a headache...

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 06:28 PM

are not berry and barnes still out there right now?

what changed today to make them want that pair ? i dont think it is about either of those guys, although you make a great point about value
I'm not saying those guys specifically, but the value point is central. Cutting Taylor sucks (turns out, signing him sucked more lol) but that $8.5M in cap space lets you sign 2, possibly 3 starters with that loot. Sign Barnes and OL goes from weakness to strength in 1 offseason.

Besides, if they are going DE at 13, at least you have a proven vet in Berry who has been a great locker room guy for his whole career. Who better than him for Orakpo or Maybin to learn from? And don't say Taylor unless you want your rookies to learn how to meringue, lol.

If they're not planning on going DE at 13, then they should look at Olshansky who is effectively an upgrade to Demetric Evans.

ClubSandwichGuy

03-02-2009, 06:30 PM

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 06:31 PM

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 06:31 PM

1-You are missing the point. Of course $500,000 is not that much cash. But they were going to cut him anyway. So they waited until right before the $500K was due and cut him then.

Then they would have cut him a month ago. It doesn't matter when you cut him regarding that bonus.

Obviously, if he was the Jason Taylor of old, they would not have balked at paying him the $500K. It affected not whether they were going to cut him, but when. If they pay him the $500K and later cut him, the $500K gets charged to the cap.

No. You're looking at some irrelevant fact and trying to explain everything with it. The skins knew about the bonus, and if this was about getting under the cap, they would have cut him weeks ago, or restructured 500k somewhere else.

2-the $500K was going to be paid this week, which is during the 2009 NFL Calendar Year. Thus, it would have counted towards our 2009 salary cap. We may not even be $500K under the cap at this point, which may be another reason why we cut him when we did.

If we needed to make 500,001 dollars of cap room, that could have been done in any one of dozens of ways. It wasn't why we cut him.

shally

03-02-2009, 06:32 PM

I'm not saying those guys specifically, but the value point is central. Cutting Taylor sucks (turns out, signing him sucked more lol) but that $8.5M in cap space lets you sign 2, possibly 3 starters with that loot. Sign Barnes and OL goes from weakness to strength in 1 offseason.

Besides, if they are going DE at 13, at least you have a proven vet in Berry who has been a great locker room guy for his whole career. Who better than him for Orakpo or Maybin to learn from? And don't say Taylor unless you want your rookies to learn how to meringue, lol.

If they're not planning on going DE at 13, then they should look at Olshansky who is effectively an upgrade to Demetric Evans.

agree.. and if they use the cap space to improve the lines i will be ecstatic..
this better not be about some shoot the moon trade for cutler..

silverspring

03-02-2009, 06:33 PM

if it does happen, i think they trade the #13 for cutler and then hope to recoup something for JC on draft day.. or maybe it is a 3 way with him going to tampa ??? or detroit now that they have moved orlovsky ?

still.. they could have had cassels for a #2?

this is giving me a headache...

We don't have a #2....

shally

03-02-2009, 06:33 PM

Stranger things have happened.

if it involves snyderrato, strange things ALWAYS happen

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 06:34 PM

agree.. and if they use the cap space to improve the lines i will be ecstatic..
this better not be about some shoot the moon trade for cutler..
OMG, that would make my freaking year. Not because I want Cutler or anything but because it will further obviate that Snyderrato are insane, lol.

shally

03-02-2009, 06:35 PM

We don't have a #2....

next years #1 = this year's number 2

always ways around it. we did that a few years ago when we signed morton from the jets for a #5 that we didnt have at the time...

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 06:35 PM

I seriously think it has doesn't anything to do with Cutler, or else why give our "QB guru" head coach only one season with JC (who both stayed healthy and improved measurably)?

Still hope the Taylor $$ goes to two new starters, a LB and a RT. Then draft best OL, LB, DE's available with picks. And can we just sign Hunter Smith already?

warpaint

03-02-2009, 06:35 PM

Cutler is really the only thing that makes any sense, because it happened in the last few days. But at the same time, something just doesn't seem right about it. My gut is telling me it isn't Cutler.

I can't say whether this is a good move or not until I see where this 8 million in cap space goes...

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/02/report-vikings-interested-in-cutler/
with all the talk about a cutler trade,just makes sense to me that we have to be involved with denver in any talks, as with the portis trade think denver thinks they got the best of us in that trade .

Gravy

03-02-2009, 06:36 PM

Stranger things have happened.

IDK that I buy into this whole Culter trade with the Redskins...but Yes stranger things have happened and I do think there is some strange trade probably going to happen but maybe, just maybe there is something else to the DaVinny Code...

shally

03-02-2009, 06:36 PM

OMG, that would make my freaking year. Not because I want Cutler or anything but because it will further obviate that Snyderrato are insane, lol.

the league office issues an intervention against them and forces them into some kind of 12 step plan...lol:drunker::drunker:

shally

03-02-2009, 06:38 PM

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 06:40 PM

because zorn is obviously the tail on this dog.... just ask portis
sarcasm?

shally

03-02-2009, 06:40 PM

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/02/report-vikings-interested-in-cutler/
with all the talk about a cutler trade,just makes sense to me that we have to be involved with denver in any talks, as with the portis trade think denver thinks they got the best of us in that trade .

and shanahan is no longer making trades for denver, so who knows about that ??

shally

03-02-2009, 06:42 PM

sarcasm?

truth...

i think zorn has little to say about what goes on involving personnel.. he buys no groceries on this team...

i believe he was told to coach up campbell... and he would be told to coach up cutler-- or whoever they brought in

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 06:48 PM

IMO, the skins should do

Sign Demetric Evans
Sign Angelo Crowell
Sign Hunter Smith
Sign Khalif Barnes or Ray Willis
Draft Orakpo or Trade down out of 13th pick

warpaint

03-02-2009, 06:50 PM

truth...

i think zorn has little to say about what goes on involving personnel.. he buys no groceries on this team...

i believe he was told to coach up campbell... and he would be told to coach up cutler-- or whoever they brought in

shally just for conversation , you think cutler could be a west coast offense q.b.
seems to me with the strong arm he has better suited for a different offense, but little do i know about these things

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 06:52 PM

IMO, the skins should do

Sign Demetric Evans
Sign Angelo Crowell
Sign Hunter Smith
Sign Khalif Barnes or Ray Willis
Draft Orakpo or Trade down out of 13th pick

First of all, :welcome: to hR.com!

Second, I like your plan, that's more along the lines of what I'd like to do with this new-found cap $$

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 06:56 PM

First of all, :welcome: to hR.com!

Second, I like your plan, that's more along the lines of what I'd like to do with this new-found cap $$

Thank you, I really feel if we do this (which I think we may) we would have one heck of a team, which would be 10 times as better as last years team by far, 11 mil in cap space is certainly enough to cover.

Patrick

03-02-2009, 06:57 PM

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:00 PM

Well to me JC was the golden boy of opportunity to clear cap space.
No doubt moves are in the near future and once again VinnyDan have a chance to get it right.
PLEASE focus on area of needs (OL, DE, LB) and stay away from Cutler.

Definitely, I feel like Campbell will show that he is good because of one reason (CONTRACT YEAR LOL) if not kiss Jason Campbell and Jim Zorn goodbye.

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 07:02 PM

Thank you, I really feel if we do this (which I think we may) we would have one heck of a team, which would be 10 times as better as last years team by far, 11 mil in cap space is certainly enough to cover.
Well, a good team on paper... i dont count on ANYTHING with this team anymore, although i still love 'em. And our offense is still suspect to say the least.

i wonder if Redskins One departed for parts unknown this afternoon...

shally

03-02-2009, 07:03 PM

shally just for conversation , you think cutler could be a west coast offense q.b.
seems to me with the strong arm he has better suited for a different offense, but little do i know about these things

i dont know about that. he played at vandy, not exactly a team known for the WCO

i will say this much.. if he IS acquired, someone obviously thinks HE CAN run a WCO

PA skins fan

03-02-2009, 07:03 PM

have a feeling it will be JC for Cutler, but what else will we end up giving up to get him? I would be fine if we give up a RB with him, or maybe ARE, since they gotta be worried about whats gonna happen to marshall now, but I dont want to give up more DRAFT PICKS.
Actually I think I may have just come up with a good trade, JC and ARE for Cutler, anyone else think we make out in that deal?

shally

03-02-2009, 07:04 PM

Thank you, I really feel if we do this (which I think we may) we would have one heck of a team, which would be 10 times as better as last years team by far, 11 mil in cap space is certainly enough to cover.

welcome

i dont think 8 million would stretch that far, but i think it is a solid way of thinking

shally

03-02-2009, 07:05 PM

Well, a good team on paper... i dont count on ANYTHING with this team anymore, although i still love 'em. And our offense is still suspect to say the least.

i wonder if Redskins One departed for parts unknown this afternoon...

isnt it snowing ??

well, maybe tomorrow...lol

SkinsGuru

03-02-2009, 07:05 PM

i dont know about that. he played at vandy, not exactly a team known for the WCO

i will say this much.. if he IS acquired, someone obviously thinks HE CAN run a WCO

Maybe they're banking on grabbing Cutler this year and signing Shanahan to coach next year . . .

shally

03-02-2009, 07:06 PM

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:07 PM

shally

03-02-2009, 07:08 PM

Maybe they're banking on grabbing Cutler this year and signing Shanahan to coach next year . . .

you think snyderrato has that much ability to plan for the future ?

not me... this is about the here and now...this year. 2009.. they are rolling the dice because vinny is at risk as well, if the team crashes badly, not just zorn and campbell

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:08 PM

welcome

i dont think 8 million would stretch that far, but i think it is a solid way of thinking

More like 11 million and thank you for welcoming me, I like this board already.

shally

03-02-2009, 07:08 PM

Cutler is not coming, too much money to get him.

that is what the 8 million is for... or at least, what it would be used for in a trade for cutler

Gravy

03-02-2009, 07:09 PM

if Akh has any say about that trade, it is Moss who is making vapor trails out of here..lol

I hope so...

shally

03-02-2009, 07:10 PM

More like 11 million and thank you for welcoming me, I like this board already.

this is a great place.. lots of nice people.. lots of interesting posts

you will love it here. it is the best !!!

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:14 PM

this is a great place.. lots of nice people.. lots of interesting posts

you will love it here. it is the best !!!

I sure it will be, :sun:...

lorimike

03-02-2009, 07:23 PM

So, worst draft ever by Vinny?

Just epitomizes why are not a perenial conteder. A 2nd rounder for a guy that plays one year is steep. Most of the better teams draft starters with 2nd round picks.

ClubSandwichGuy

03-02-2009, 07:23 PM

Cutler just doesn't dress a crucial area of need. Right now I would rather use that money on LB, DE, and O-line. Unfortunately, Vinny has no understanding of how to smartly spend money and will probably blow it all on one player who he thinks will win it all for us.

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:24 PM

ClubSandwichGuy

03-02-2009, 07:26 PM

Like Ray Lewis???
Yes. Exactly like him. He'll cost a ton of money, he won't fit in our scheme at all, and he's getting older by the day. But the fans will love him and he'll push tons of jerseys. Exactly the kind of player Vinny and Danny like.

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 07:26 PM

Just epitomizes why are not a perenial conteder. A 2nd rounder for a guy that plays one year is steep. Most of the better teams draft starters with 2nd round picks.
Welcome to the NLC btw...;)

And can someone tell me what's so great about Cutler that we would A) part with Campbell after his first full, healthy, and notably improved season and B)Give up MORE than Campbell in a trade for him? Is he the next Dan Marino or something?

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:29 PM

Yes. Exactly like him. He'll cost a ton of money, he won't fit in our scheme at all, and he's getting older by the day. But the fans will love him and he'll push tons of jerseys. Exactly the kind of player Vinny and Danny like.

I think Vinny and Danny are ok, this year has been different since they signed players in their PRIMES instead of washed up players.

ClubSandwichGuy

03-02-2009, 07:31 PM

I think Vinny and Danny are ok, this year has been different since they signed players in their PRIMES instead of washed up players.
Agreed. This year has been much better. But I wouldn't put anything past those two...

shally

03-02-2009, 07:31 PM

Welcome to the NLC btw...;)

And can someone tell me what's so great about Cutler that we would A) part with Campbell after his first full, healthy, and notably improved season and B)Give up MORE than Campbell in a trade for him? Is he the next Dan Marino or something?

the real question is whether he is the next drew brees ?

to go off on another tangent, maybe we are trading the #13 to carolina for peppers ??

how about that trade ???

shally

03-02-2009, 07:32 PM

Agreed. This year has been much better. But I wouldn't put anything past those two...

wait it out.. even a stopped clock is right twice a day...:)

silverspring

03-02-2009, 07:32 PM

Welcome to the NLC btw...;)

And can someone tell me what's so great about Cutler that we would A) part with Campbell after his first full, healthy, and notably improved season and B)Give up MORE than Campbell in a trade for him? Is he the next Dan Marino or something?

I am not condoning this trade, but i assume the generally thought process is that first of all campbell hasn't showed us anything yet in a consistent fashion, and Cutler is 2 years younger than him and has 20 more td passes.

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 07:33 PM

IMO, the skins should do

Sign Demetric Evans
Sign Angelo Crowell
Sign Hunter Smith
Sign Khalif Barnes or Ray Willis
Draft Orakpo or Trade down out of 13th pick

Here, here...

silverspring

03-02-2009, 07:37 PM

Here, here...

Oh come on that would be a way too efficient manner to spend our money

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:39 PM

Oh come on that would be a way too efficient manner to spend our money

lol, That team would be too good for us fans eh?

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 07:42 PM

Oh come on that would be a way too efficient manner to spend our money

LMAO...of course it would be, hence why I like it. Infatc I'd be happy with DE/DT Evans, RT/RG Ray Willis, OLB Crowell, P Hunter Smith.

I'd still trade down from 13 to the 20's, plenty of talent on the OL and at LB that should still be there. We'd pick up another 3rd at worst and could draft best player available not just need with the above FA additions.

It could also offer us the ability to trade up, not down, utilizing a hign 2010 pick. I like Curry a whole lot... but maybe that's just me lol.

ClubSandwichGuy

03-02-2009, 07:45 PM

LMAO...of course it would be, hence why I like it. Infatc I'd be happy with DE/DT Evans, RT/RG Ray Willis, OLB Crowell, P Hunter Smith.

I'd still trade down from 13 to the 20's, plenty of talent on the OL and at LB that should still be there. We'd pick up another 3rd at worst and could draft best player available not just need with the above FA additions.

It could also offer us the ability to trade up, not down, utilizing a hign 2010 pick. I like Curry a whole lot... but maybe that's just me lol.
Yeah I really like Aaron Curry. I think he is going to be a stud in the NFL. If we traded up to get him it would seem a little absurd with our lack of draft picks, but I wouldn't be displeased at all.

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:47 PM

I hope that offense can do better this season, all this talk about the defense is worth nothing if they don't improve.

ClubSandwichGuy

03-02-2009, 07:50 PM

I hope that offense can do better this season, all this talk about the defense is worth nothing if they don't improve.
Too right. There seem to be three opinions on this board about the #13 draft pick:

1. We draft one of the high-rated OTs, probably Andre Smith or Oher.
2. We draft Rey Mauluga, Brian Cushing, or Orakpo
3. We trade down and get more picks and then address both the Oline and the defense

I am in the first category for that very reason. Last year our offense fell apart, not the defense.

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 07:50 PM

Yeah I really like Aaron Curry. I think he is going to be a stud in the NFL. If we traded up to get him it would seem a little absurd with our lack of draft picks, but I wouldn't be displeased at all.

I know its Snderatto-esque to do that and maybe its not the wisest idea. But if we were to re-sign Evans, add Hunter Smith and then only cheaper guys like Willis and a versatile back up LB like DD Lewis then Curry could be worth it imo. Again we could trade from 2010 leaving us a reasonable chance at adding another fringe starter at T, WR or DE in the 3rd.

BIGREDSKINSFAN1963

03-02-2009, 07:51 PM

jason taylor got cut because he was too lazy to stay in dc and work out at redskins park 3 days a week!if he's that lazy,good riddance!

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:53 PM

Too right. There seem to be three opinions on this board about the #13 draft pick:

1. We draft one of the high-rated OTs, probably Andre Smith or Oher.
2. We draft Rey Mauluga, Brian Cushing, or Orakpo
3. We trade down and get more picks and then address both the Oline and the defense

I am in the first category for that very reason. Last year our offense fell apart, not the defense.

The defense was on the field WAY TO long last year, your are gonna get beaten up this way (which we did), that offense was atrocious, IMO Zorn would be a legendary OC, but as far as a Head Coach IDK about him yet, my opinion is validated by the skins hiring him as an OC first then as a Head Coach.

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 07:55 PM

jason taylor got cut because he was too lazy to stay in dc and work out at redskins park 3 days a week!if he's that lazy,good riddance!

I believe the Skins asked him something they knew he would refuse so it wouldn't look like they cut him without reason.

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 07:56 PM

I hope that offense can do better this season, all this talk about the defense is worth nothing if they don't improve.

I think a real D, not just a statistical one, can help the offense but I get what you're saying. Our OL just needs better production for many of our parts to become weapons imho. JC isnt a world beater but if average QB's like Dilfer and Eli can win a trophy then JC probably could too given the time and support from his OL and WR's. Portis doesnt do too bad with nothing spectacular infront of him so I dont see the run game being a problem if there's improvement from the other two aforementioned groups.

dj_stouty

03-02-2009, 07:57 PM

jason taylor got cut because he was too lazy to stay in dc and work out at redskins park 3 days a week!if he's that lazy,good riddance!

That was the easy way to cut him; just like what Danny pulled on Marty a few years back.

I was really looking forward to seeing what Taylor could do with Haynesworth on his shoulder pad...but i understand we need the money. But as my best friend (Giant's Fan) told me a few minutes ago..."When you have Haynesworth, you don't need ends.". lol.

I'm not sold on Evans; and I'm not interested in a rotation.

The bottom line is that we went from having 2 major holes to fill (SAM, RT) to having 3 major holes to fill.

I guess we should start looking at the DE free agent list a little closer now, huh? I'm more prone to filling the RT, SAM hole via the #13, but i'm open to any and all ideas.

Keino

03-02-2009, 07:59 PM

The only way last year's trade makes sense if if you intend to keep Taylor for multiple years.

This Front Office has once again proven that they have no plan (despite protestations to the contrary) and no patience to implement a plan.

It's ridiculous. Going out to get a Haynesworth was for the purpose of making both of the Speed Ends more effective. Freeing up space by creating a hole, when you've already given up a 1st day pick is MORONIC.

Welcome to Vinny's world.

PS. Why does a 13 year vet need to participate in the off-season program as part of a contractual obligation?

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 07:59 PM

the real question is whether he is the next drew brees ?

to go off on another tangent, maybe we are trading the #13 to carolina for peppers ??

how about that trade ???
Our #13 for Peppers and a 2nd-round pick.

Carolina has NO cap room. Really. ZERO. And Peppers won't even sign the Franchise tender for 16.7 mil, he wants out so bad. We save Carolina's a$$, get them back in the black on the cap sheet, and give 'em a first-round pick to replace Peppers with. We get Peppers and a much needed high draft pick.

But just our #13 for Peppers (who we'll have to pay out the wazoo too) is not worth it to me.

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 08:00 PM

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 08:03 PM

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa

Gravy

03-02-2009, 08:04 PM

Vinny has no plan. Ever.

...sure he does...he's playing Madden right figuring out who will fit our needs...:garcia: :inkston:

Keino

03-02-2009, 08:05 PM

I want to shoot Vinny Cerrato......

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 08:06 PM

That was the easy way to cut him; just like what Danny pulled on Marty a few years back.

I was really looking forward to seeing what Taylor could do with Haynesworth on his shoulder pad...but i understand we need the money. But as my best friend (Giant's Fan) told me a few minutes ago..."When you have Haynesworth, you don't need ends.". lol.

I'm not sold on Evans; and I'm not interested in a rotation.

The bottom line is that we went from having 2 major holes to fill (SAM, RT) to having 3 major holes to fill.

I guess we should start looking at the DE free agent list a little closer now, huh? I'm more prone to filling the RT, SAM hole via the #13, but i'm open to any and all ideas.

I think we now realistically have the money to upgrade two of the three holes you referenced. I also think Blache prefers a run stopping LDE and is fine with the pass rush coming from AH,Carter, Wilson, Buzbee, Jackson. It doesnt hurt that Griff now gets to be the number two guy and not the only guy in the middle either. If we signed say Tausher and Crowell we'd probably be beter off than just having Taylor for the same 8 million imo.

Gravy

03-02-2009, 08:06 PM

I want to shoot Vinny Cerrato......

...hey why don't you say how you really feel

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 08:07 PM

I want to shoot Vinny Cerrato......
Would it make you feel better if we got Peppers and a 2nd rounder from cap-dead Carolina for our #13 pick?

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 08:07 PM

I want to shoot Vinny Cerrato......

I'll be happy with him and Danny locked in Superman's phantom zone..

http://homepage.mac.com/johnwirzbicki/iblog/CTBlue/C949557696/E20051229094429/Media/PDVD_396.jpg

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 08:08 PM

I think we now realistically have the money to upgrade two of the three holes you referenced. I also think Blache prefers a run stopping LDE and is fine with the pass rush coming from AH,Carter, Wilson, Buzbee, Jackson. It doesnt hurt that Griff now gets to be the number two guy and not the only guy in the middle either. If we signed say Tausher and Crowell we'd probably be beter off than just having Taylor for the same 8 million imo.

Agreed, I forgot about Tausher :thinker:.

Gravy

03-02-2009, 08:09 PM

Would it make you feel better if we got Peppers and a 2nd rounder from cap-dead Carolina for our #13 pick?

...maybe a consistent playoff run with some Superbowl appearances and some championship trophies

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 08:10 PM

Would it make you feel better if we got Peppers and a 2nd rounder from cap-dead Carolina for our #13 pick?

A DL of Peppers, Griffin, Haynesworth and Carter would be nice lol...

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 08:10 PM

I'll be happy with him and Danny locked in Superman's phantom zone..

http://homepage.mac.com/johnwirzbicki/iblog/CTBlue/C949557696/E20051229094429/Media/PDVD_396.jpg
ROTFLMAO! That was a great pull. A solid 9.7, lol. Unless you're a 13 year old Chinese female gymnast. Then your score is 2097213987641234516!!!!!!!!

dj_stouty

03-02-2009, 08:11 PM

PS. Why does a 13 year vet need to participate in the off-season program as part of a contractual obligation?

A 13-year vet doesn't need that type of stiplulation; and Danny has never required it before. (remember Bruce Smith?)

This was their way of drawing a meaningless line in the sand and letting the player cross it as a way to justify a move they already wanted to make.

And yes, our FO is inept. Did you expect anything different?

akhhorus

03-02-2009, 08:12 PM

ROTFLMAO! That was a great pull. A solid 9.7, lol. Unless you're a 13 year old Chinese female gymnast. Then your score is 2097213987641234516!!!!!!!!

The third guy is Larry Michael. Just for the good of planet Earth.

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 08:13 PM

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 08:14 PM

A 13-year vet doesn't need that type of stiplulation; and Danny has never required it before. (remember Bruce Smith?)

This was their way of drawing a meaningless line in the sand and letting the player cross it as a way to justify a move they already wanted to make.

And yes, our FO is inept. Did you expect anything different?
Taylor wasn't in playing shape whe he got here because he hadn't been working out with the team. It's more than reasonable to expect this guy (who is getting older and more prone to injury) to attend, what, 60% of the workouts?

Everyone knows I think that Snyderrato should screw off for making the deal that included a 2nd round pick. Well, Taylor can screw off too for being an obstinate, lazy SOB who is seemingly more interested in his off time than earning his $8.5M salary that he admitted he didn't earn last year.

Screw offs all around, lol!

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 08:15 PM

A DL of Peppers, Griffin, Haynesworth and Carter would be nice lol...
Exactly what I'm beginning to think... Ain't had a DT/DE combination like that for over 20 years lol.

Crazy move right up our alley that we can now afford under the cap.

Aint speculation grand?

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 08:17 PM

If so then great, he is gonna wan't a lot of money too though.

RedskinsDave

03-02-2009, 08:17 PM

A DL of Peppers, Griffin, Haynesworth and Carter would be nice lol...

If that happens, I retract my statements from today.

NCskinsfanatic

03-02-2009, 08:19 PM

If that happens, I retract my statements from today.

lmao...yeah its almost impossible to be mad at that.

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 08:20 PM

Exactly what I'm beginning to think... Ain't had a DT/DE combination like that for over 20 years lol.

Crazy move right up our alley that we can now afford under the cap.

Aint speculation grand?
What's the compensation for Peppers? Is he tendered at the 2 - 1st round picks or the 1 - 1st round and 1 - 3rd round levels?

koinzx

03-02-2009, 08:20 PM

Peppers wants to play in a 3-4, unless he changed his mind.

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 08:22 PM

If so then great, he is gonna wan't a lot of money too though.
Aint nothin but a thang for the Danny, lol

Good lord... Haynesworth/Peppers? Hell, Fletcher might have ten sacks if that happens, lol

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 08:22 PM

Peppers wants to play in a 3-4, unless he changed his mind.
As what, a LB? Why would any 4-3 DE want to play DE in a 3-4? They get beat up all of the time and their stats drop significantly.

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 08:25 PM

What's the compensation for Peppers? Is he tendered at the 2 - 1st round picks or the 1 - 1st round and 1 - 3rd round levels?
2 Firsts but it doesn't matter...

I say 0ur #13 for Peppers and a 2nd-round pick because:

Carolina has NO cap room. Really. ZERO. And Peppers won't even sign the Franchise tender for 16.7 mil, he wants out so bad. We save Carolina's a$$, get them back in the black on the cap sheet, and give 'em a first-round pick to replace Peppers with. We get Peppers and a decent draft pick.

But just our #13 for Peppers (who we'll have to pay out the wazoo too) is not worth it to me.

NamVet4

03-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Can't say I'm sorry to see Taylor go based on the past season lack of performance.
Have no idea where the cap $ are headed, but I still don't see a plan for growth and a better w - l record.
Hopefully, one thought would be to take the Taylor dollars and make them available with a trade down from the 13 pick to pay for quality players...based on need, err.. like the O-line!

paulskinsfan

03-02-2009, 08:33 PM

What really sucks is that they waited so long to do this. Cut him 3 days ago, and go after Canty AND a top OL with the cap savings. I wonder how many times a day I curse Cerrato and Snyder?

Keino

03-02-2009, 08:34 PM

...hey why don't you say how you really feel

I always do.

Would it make you feel better if we got Peppers and a 2nd rounder from cap-dead Carolina for our #13 pick?

No, because it wouldn't work as long as Vinny has anything to do with it. It's like Wes Unseld/Bobby Ferry and the Bullets. Not the Midas touch, but the Toilet touch.....instead of gold everything he touches turns {Censored by DJ}

I'll be happy with him and Danny locked in Superman's phantom zone..

http://homepage.mac.com/johnwirzbicki/iblog/CTBlue/C949557696/E20051229094429/Media/PDVD_396.jpg

I am not picky, but there is a certain satisfaction in squeezing the trigger......but I am ok with Jerrell's Playhouse mirror as well

Taylor wasn't in playing shape whe he got here because he hadn't been working out with the team. It's more than reasonable to expect this guy (who is getting older and more prone to injury) to attend, what, 60% of the workouts?

Everyone knows I think that Snyderrato should screw off for making the deal that included a 2nd round pick. Well, Taylor can screw off too for being an obstinate, lazy SOB who is seemingly more interested in his off time than earning his $8.5M salary that he admitted he didn't earn last year.

Screw offs all around, lol!

The workouts are optional per the CBA, AND Taylor's injury was not due to lack of conditioning. In fact it was a freakish injury that had very little, if anything to do with not being in shape.

skinfan43

03-02-2009, 08:39 PM

I always do.

No, because it wouldn't work as long as Vinny has anything to do with it. It's like Wes Unseld/Bobby Ferry and the Bullets. Not the Midas touch, but the Toilet touch.....instead of gold everything he touches turns {Censored by DJ}

I am not picky, but there is a certain satisfaction in squeezing the trigger......but I am ok with Jerrell's Playhouse mirror as well

The workouts are optional per the CBA, AND Taylor's injury was not due to lack of conditioning. In fact it was a freakish injury that had very little, if anything to do with not being in shape.
If he had a stronger calf he'd have been fine... chicken legs'll kill ya every time.

hogs86

03-02-2009, 08:41 PM

If he had a stronger calf he'd have been fine... chicken legs'll kill ya every time.

Ok speaking of jokes.

West Virginia Computer Terms

BACKUP - What you do when you run across a skunk in the woods

BAR CODE - Them's the fight'n rules down at the local tavern

BUG - The reason you give for calling in sick

BYTE - What your pit bull dun to cusin Jethro

CACHE - Needed when you run out of food stamps

CHIP - Pasture muffins that you try not to step in

TERMINAL - Time to call the undertaker

CRASH - When you go to Junior's party uninvited

DIGITAL - The art of counting on your fingers

DISKETTE - Female Disco dancer

FAX - What you lie about to the IRS

HACKER - Uncle Leroy after 32 years of smoking

HARDCOPY - Picture looked at when selecting tattoos

INTERNET - Where cafeteria workers put their hair

KEYBOARD - Where you hang the keys to the John Deere

MAC - Big Bubba's favorite fast food

MEGAHERTZ - How your head feels after 17 beers

MODEM - What ya did when the grass and weeds got too tall

MOUSE PAD - Where Mickey and Minnie live

NETWORK - Scoop'n up a big fish before it breaks the line

ONLINE - Where to stay when taking the sobriety test

ROM - Where the pope lives

SCREEN - Helps keep the skeeters off the porch

SERIAL PORT - A red wine you drink with breakfast

SUPERCONDUCTOR - Amtrak's Employee of the year

SCSI - What you call your week-old underwear

Gravy

03-02-2009, 08:42 PM

If he had a stronger calf he'd have been fine... chicken legs'll kill ya every time.

Bud Bum Ba...

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 08:43 PM

The workouts are optional per the CBA, AND Taylor's injury was not due to lack of conditioning. In fact it was a freakish injury that had very little, if anything to do with not being in shape.
He didn't work out with Miami when he was with them. So when he got to us, he was out of shape. He was less than stellar even before the injury because he wasn't back in shape. Taylor said he was still catching up physically during the preseason and the early season before he got injured.

The truth is that the freak injury hamstrung him but he was not ready to play when he got here and his lackluster performances before the injury illustrated as much. Blame it on Blache, blame it on the DT, hell, even blame it on Rio, I don't care. The guy was out of shape before last season. He had a chance so say, "You know, I can probably make 60% or so of the workouts to try and make up for taking $8M for nothing last season" but he decided to be a selfish doosh instead.

I prefer that Taylor be here this year but not if he's not going to take playing seriously. I'd rather have that cap space to sign 2 or possibly even 3 starters at DE, OT and maybe even OLB. We stand to be better off without him.

Nomad

03-02-2009, 08:43 PM

So basically we threw away another draft pick!!!

2 draft picks

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 08:46 PM

2 draft picks
Thanks for the clarification. I'm sure that will convince the other poster to come down off the ledge, lol.

skinsfan36

03-02-2009, 08:46 PM

BurgundyNGold

03-02-2009, 08:49 PM

would of liked to see what he could do healthy with haynesworth.but he had a big cap figure. now i hope we use this 8 million to fix one of our 3 major needs and get a new punter.
imo they cleared the space now because tauscher,crowell are recieving interest(crowell-tampa),(tauscher-green bay). as far as defensive end go i think daniels will come back for cheap,and we draft one. rt or slb will be fixed in free agency possibly both
I don't want to see Daniels back in DC unless it's as a tourist at a museum. He'd probably feel right at home at Air and Space Museum, given the fact that when he played for us, "air" and "space" were all he gave us on the DL, lol.

shally

03-02-2009, 08:50 PM

What really sucks is that they waited so long to do this. Cut him 3 days ago, and go after Canty AND a top OL with the cap savings. I wonder how many times a day I curse Cerrato and Snyder?

welcome

that is because they are after some one. this is not random..

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 08:52 PM

welcome

that is because they are after some one. this is not random..

Indeed, Canty was asking for a lot of dough, overrated IMO.

shally

03-02-2009, 08:54 PM

well, where's redskin 1 ?

anyone on our radar as of yet ?

that 8 million has to be burning a hole in snyders pocket right now

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 08:55 PM

well, where's redskin 1 ?

anyone on our radar as of yet ?

that 8 million has to be burning a hole in snyders pocket right now

Only guys I hear is Crowell, Hunter Smith, Ray Willis, and bringing back Evans lol...

paulskinsfan

03-02-2009, 08:57 PM

welcome

that is because they are after some one. this is not random..

Thanks.

I hope you guys are right, and there is some sort of "plan" with all this, but I get the feeling its just idiot Vinny being idiot Vinny. Seems like all the top tier FAs are signed now........Oh wait, we could give Derrick Brooks 7 million!

Tha Boss Hogg

03-02-2009, 08:59 PM

Thanks.

I hope you guys are right, and there is some sort of "plan" with all this, but I get the feeling its just idiot Vinny being idiot Vinny. Seems like all the top tier FAs are signed now........Oh wait, we could give Derrick Brooks 7 million!

Welcome, (I am new too) I feel like this is planned...

hogs86

03-02-2009, 09:04 PM

well, where's redskin 1 ?

anyone on our radar as of yet ?

that 8 million has to be burning a hole in snyders pocket right now

This is some info we may need to find Redskins 1

Plane N904DS Snyders plane

link http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/ ( Live Flight tracking)