Redskins, 49ers Pursuing Demetric Evans

[skinfan43]

REDSKINS, 49ERS PURSUING DEMETRIC EVANS

Washington Redskins free agent defensive end Demetric Evans is in a relatively enviable position as the San Francisco 49ers and the Redskins are both in contract talks with him, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.

Per Schefter, the prospective deals would be two years in length in the neighborhood of $4 million.

Evans is expected to make up his mind by Friday.

Last season in 11 starts, Evans posted 33 tackles and 3 1/2 sacks.

According to NFL.com, Evans has 147 tackles and 13 sacks in seven NFL season

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Would be a good signing IMO, Evans sounded like he really wanted to be featured this season in an interview not too long ago, sometimes guys take a bit more time than others to develop, plus we're thin at DE as it is.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Read a rumor that evans left SF without a contract...not sure how much water that holds. Wouldnt mind us still picking up Olshanksy and possible LB Burnett though...then draft OLINE. GO SKINS !!!!!!

[BurgundyNGold]

Read a rumor that evans left SF without a contract...not sure how much water that holds. Wouldnt mind us still picking up Olshanksy and possible LB Burnett though...then draft OLINE. GO SKINS !!!!!!
I would rather have Berry or Olshansky than Evans. Oh, and we'll likely overpay Evans too.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

I would rather have Berry or Olshansky than Evans. Oh, and we'll likely overpay Evans too.

He was a Cowboy, what do you expect lol...

[skinfan43]

Perhaps he could be a beneficiary of the AH signing, we'll see if he stays or goes i suppose - but his 11 starts, 33 tackles, and 3.5 sacks project to around 48 tackles and 7 sacks for starting 16 games, and that was without AH, for what it's worth...

[Redskinmayhem]

This is crazy. I like DEv alot but come on...he's a role player, depth at best.

[Redskinmayhem]

Perhaps he could be a beneficiary of the AH signing, we'll see if he stays or goes i suppose - but his 11 starts, 33 tackles, and 3.5 sacks project to around 48 tackles and 7 sacks for starting 16 games, and that was without AH, for what it's worth...

I'm sure he would benefit from being on the line w/ AH but still, we're speculating. I say sign him but lets not overpay.

[shally]

I would rather have Berry or Olshansky than Evans. Oh, and we'll likely overpay Evans too.


agree with you completely.. on the other hand, paying him in the neighborhood of 2 mil per year, isnt exactly persuing in this superheated market

i would also prefer daniels for 2 years, but think it is a wash between the 2 of them. evans is younger. daniels is stronger at the point (we didnt see so many sweeps when he was playing)

[shally]

Perhaps he could be a beneficiary of the AH signing, we'll see if he stays or goes i suppose - but his 11 starts, 33 tackles, and 3.5 sacks project to around 48 tackles and 7 sacks for starting 16 games, and that was without AH, for what it's worth...

olshansky has 11 sacks in 5 years playing next to jamal williams and with merriman at LB

[skinfan43]

agree with you completely.. on the other hand, paying him in the neighborhood of 2 mil per year, isnt exactly persuing in this superheated market

i would also prefer daniels for 2 years, but think it is a wash between the 2 of them. evans is younger. daniels is stronger at the point (we didnt see so many sweeps when he was playing)
well here ya go:

Free agent DE Phillip Daniels says the Redskins have informed him he'll be back on the team in 2009.
"They have told me they want me back," he said. "And I would love to come back." Daniels might fill a situational role, but almost certainly doesn't have what it takes to be a three-down player at age 36 coming off ACL surgery.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

[shally]

that was more than i read.. pass at 4 mil per year

daniels will come in lower than that

[Tha Boss Hogg]

agree with you completely.. on the other hand, paying him in the neighborhood of 2 mil per year, isnt exactly persuing in this superheated market

i would also prefer daniels for 2 years, but think it is a wash between the 2 of them. evans is younger. daniels is stronger at the point (we didnt see so many sweeps when he was playing)

That's good money for him, and IMO I think he will sign with us now that Taylor is gone.

[shally]

That's good money for him, and IMO I think he will sign with us now that Taylor is gone.

again, i like evans as a rotational player.. at 4 mil per year, i dont think so...

[Redskin4Life]

I was under the impression that it was 2 yrs, $4M.... like Shally said, if it's 2 yrs, $8M... bye, bye

I'll take Daniels for much less

[shally]

I was under the impression that it was 2 yrs, $4M.... like Shally said, if it's 2 yrs, $8M... bye, bye

I'll take Daniels for much less

i am sure there is a lot of back and forth going on with the agent trying to squeeze as much as he can out of both teams

we also have wilson, buzbee and jackson under contract at DE. add carter
and evans/daniels or BOTH and suddenly the position becomes crowded.
we dont need all of them.. but it would look like orakpo or another DE inthe draft is less likely, unless we plan to dump some of the younger players

[Tha Boss Hogg]

i am sure there is a lot of back and forth going on with the agent trying to squeeze as much as he can out of both teams

we also have wilson, buzbee and jackson under contract at DE. add carter
and evans/daniels or BOTH and suddenly the position becomes crowded.
we dont need all of them.. but it would look like orakpo or another DE inthe draft is less likely, unless we plan to dump some of the younger players

LB right, and I too thought it was 4 million for 2 years???

[shally]

LB right, and I too thought it was 4 million for 2 years???

i guess we will find out by friday.. supposedly that is when he will decide by

daniels will be a late signing.. no hurry on him with his age and recovery still ongoing

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Whew no Ray Lewis to skins lol...

NFL.com's Adam Schefter reports that the Ravens will announce the re-signing of Ray Lewis by week's end.
Schefter says the announcement could come "in the next 24 hours." The Ravens' initial offer was $24 million over three years with $17 million guaranteed. It will be interesting to see Lewis gets anywhere close to that after playing his hand so poorly in free agency. Ray-Ray never even scheduled a visit.
:sun:

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think it is 2 years for a total of 4 million...

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/04/de-evans-to-decide-between-49ers-redskins-by-friday/

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think it is 2 years for a total of 4 million...

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/04/de-evans-to-decide-between-49ers-redskins-by-friday/

Hard to tell though with the wording but he's not worth 4 million per year no way no how.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Hard to tell though with the wording but he's not worth 4 million per year no way no how.

If he was, and if the FO believed he was , they would not have made the trade for jason taylor last year. I would rather see them use the money towards olshanksy, even though he isnt much of a pass rusher, with him and AH on one side...thats about 650 pounds of beef. GO SKINS !!!!!

[BurgundyNGold]

well here ya go:

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL
Jeebus. We're dicking around with Evans and now Daniels while good FA players are coming off the board. WTH are they doing? Our DL has sucked with Evans and Daniels for 4 years. Why would they *want* that to continue? Leave them off the team for crying out loud. Have them retards the development of the younger players.

[AliBabba]

Whew no Ray Lewis to skins lol...


:sun:
dude, make the friggin' picture in your sig smaller ... i'm too lazy to scroll down so much

[VegasSkinsFan]

Jeebus. We're dicking around with Evans and now Daniels while good FA players are coming off the board. WTH are they doing? Our DL has sucked with Evans and Daniels for 4 years. Why would they *want* that to continue? Leave them off the team for crying out loud. Have them retards the development of the younger players.

And further shows the retardation of the FO. :smash:

[shally]

Jeebus. We're dicking around with Evans and now Daniels while good FA players are coming off the board. WTH are they doing? Our DL has sucked with Evans and Daniels for 4 years. Why would they *want* that to continue? Leave them off the team for crying out loud. Have them retards the development of the younger players.


you know how it is, BnG, some critics will whine that we arent keeping our own "young" players like evans..

i agree about olshansky and berry, but the former may be no better than
evans and the latter, while productive, is 34 and the cards seem to be in no hurry to re sign him.. they would likely represent change, but not necessarily any improvement (except for berry who would likely provide increased sacks) and given our experience with taylor, i would question how much we could actually bank on when it came to berry...

just sayin'.......................

[NCskinsfanatic]

you know how it is, BnG, some critics will whine that we arent keeping our own "young" players like evans..

i agree about olshansky and berry, but the former may be no better than
evans and the latter, while productive, is 34 and the cards seem to be in no hurry to re sign him.. they would likely represent change, but not necessarily any improvement (except for berry who would likely provide increased sacks) and given our experience with taylor, i would question how much we could actually bank on when it came to berry...

just sayin'.......................

I kinda agree...If they dont want to spend much money on a DE because they also need to fill depth at LB and OL then Evans might be the way to go...if it's 2 million per and not 4. He played as well if not better than Taylor last year and AH should make a difference for both guys on the ends. Daniels...Im not so sure why we'd need him especially since he's not a 3 down DE anymore.

[shally]

I kinda agree...If they dont want to spend much money on a DE because they also need to fill depth at LB and OL then Evans might be the way to go...if it's 2 million per and not 4. He played as well if not better than Taylor last year and AH should make a difference for both guys on the ends. Daniels...Im not so sure why we'd need him especially since he's not a 3 down DE anymore.

i think daniels is probably worth more to this team, given the schemes they run. evans didnt exactly seize the moment last year

[AliBabba]

I kinda agree...If they dont want to spend much money on a DE because they also need to fill depth at LB and OL then Evans might be the way to go...if it's 2 million per and not 4. He played as well if not better than Taylor last year and AH should make a difference for both guys on the ends. Daniels...Im not so sure why we'd need him especially since he's not a 3 down DE anymore.
he's not even a suitable one down DE

[NCskinsfanatic]

i think daniels is probably worth more to this team, given the schemes they run. evans didnt exactly seize the moment last year

Yeah but more times than not he had Monty and Golston as his line mates. AH and Griff starting with Golston and Monty never side by side will help the ends imo. I dont think Evans is a long term answer just that at 2 mill per and only 30 he can help us bridge the gap in a year we have so few picks. I suppose Daniels could also rotate inside and at LDE in certain situations. They may already know Evans is pricing himself outta consideration and have told Daniels to be ready. Thing is one of the youngsters has to step up between Buzbee, Wilson and Jackson because while Evans can play everydown PD cant.

[NCskinsfanatic]

he's not even a suitable one down DE

yeah unless the opposition yells we're running a sweep to the right lol.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Yeah but more times than not he had Monty and Golston as his line mates. AH and Griff starting with Golston and Monty never side by side will help the ends imo. I dont think Evans is a long term answer just that at 2 mill per and only 30 he can help us bridge the gap in a year we have so few picks. I suppose Daniels could also rotate inside and at LDE in certain situations. They may already know Evans is pricing himself outta consideration and have told Daniels to be ready. Thing is one of the youngsters has to step up between Buzbee, Wilson and Jackson because while Evans can play everydown PD cant.

Of the 3 young guys, i think Jackson has a great chance. Wilson didnt really impress me last year. Maybe Buzbee can come back from injury. Does anyone know if Buzbee can make a transition to LB?? I have heard his weight reported from 240-265 pounds....and think he had some speed. Just wondering. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

[Tha Boss Hogg]

dude, make the friggin' picture in your sig smaller ... i'm too lazy to scroll down so much

Sorry...

[BurgundyNGold]

you know how it is, BnG, some critics will whine that we arent keeping our own "young" players like evans..

i agree about olshansky and berry, but the former may be no better than
evans and the latter, while productive, is 34 and the cards seem to be in no hurry to re sign him.. they would likely represent change, but not necessarily any improvement (except for berry who would likely provide increased sacks) and given our experience with taylor, i would question how much we could actually bank on when it came to berry...

just sayin'.......................
A) Evans isn't young
B) He isn't even ours -- he came from Dallass.

So let them whine about Evans.

[AliBabba]

Sorry...
no need for sorry ... i can shrink it down for you if you don't know how but that thing was huge and I got sick of D-Hall's mug fast

[NCskinsfanatic]

Sorry...

I liked the other pic waaaay better lol.

[AliBabba]

you know how it is, BnG, some critics will whine that we arent keeping our own "young" players like evans..

i agree about olshansky and berry, but the former may be no better than
evans and the latter, while productive, is 34 and the cards seem to be in no hurry to re sign him.. they would likely represent change, but not necessarily any improvement (except for berry who would likely provide increased sacks) and given our experience with taylor, i would question how much we could actually bank on when it came to berry...

just sayin'.......................
Olshanksky is not a pass rusher and thats why his sack numbers are low ... he's a stout run stopper though and apparently that's what Blache wants anyhow. I'd take him over Evans/Daniels in a heartbeat if for no other reason than he's 26 or 6 and 10 years younger then those fools

[NCskinsfanatic]

Of the 3 young guys, i think Jackson has a great chance. Wilson didnt really impress me last year. Maybe Buzbee can come back from injury. Does anyone know if Buzbee can make a transition to LB?? I have heard his weight reported from 240-265 pounds....and think he had some speed. Just wondering. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

Wilson did look better in 07 than 08 but I want to see who emerges from camp between he Buzbee and Jackson before I'm willing to say any of them are anything more than career role players.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

I liked the other pic waaaay better lol.

Ok, now UNC Psycho T it is...

[AliBabba]

I liked the other pic waaaay better lol.
lol, i knew that was coming

[NCskinsfanatic]

Ok, now UNC Psycho T it is...

You and Carmike need to get together for a baby blue lovefest j/k ;)

lol, i knew that was coming

Lmao...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

no need for sorry ... i can shrink it down for you if you don't know how but that thing was huge and I got sick of D-Hall's mug fast

I changed it Ali, how do I change my avatar???

[AliBabba]

I changed it Ali, how do I change my avatar???
Click "User CP" up top, than "Edit Avatar"

If you got any other ?s just PM them to me

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Click "User CP" up top, than "Edit Avatar"

If you got any other ?s just PM them to me

Thanks, so back on topic lol, heard any other rumors about our signings...

[AliBabba]

Thanks, so back on topic lol, heard any other rumors about our signings...
lol, NCSF is gonna LOVE that ....

I heard Vinny's on the phone with Charles Barkley

[Tha Boss Hogg]

You and Carmike need to get together for a baby blue lovefest j/k ;)

It isn't baby blue it is CAROLINA BLUE lol...


lol, NCSF is gonna LOVE that ....

I know...

[shally]

Yeah but more times than not he had Monty and Golston as his line mates. AH and Griff starting with Golston and Monty never side by side will help the ends imo. I dont think Evans is a long term answer just that at 2 mill per and only 30 he can help us bridge the gap in a year we have so few picks. I suppose Daniels could also rotate inside and at LDE in certain situations. They may already know Evans is pricing himself outta consideration and have told Daniels to be ready. Thing is one of the youngsters has to step up between Buzbee, Wilson and Jackson because while Evans can play everydown PD cant.

nobody is going to be playing every down in blache's schemes.. what daniels can bring is great toughness against the run, plus, like evans he can rotate inside on passing downs

we have to see what evans wants to sign, but i suspect the team will re sign daniels one way or the other after the draft..

[NCskinsfanatic]

It isn't baby blue it is CAROLINA BLUE lol...

There is no such color... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shades_of_blue Even though its there, the color Carolina sports is much closer to baby blue and I refuse to acknowledge it as anything else lmao.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

There is no such color... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shades_of_blue Even though its there, the color Carolina sports is much closer to baby blue and I refuse to acknowledge it as anything else lmao.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_blue :smash:

Baby blue is too bright to be our color dude, our color is Carolina Blue...

http://wearesc.com/forums/images/smilies/nana.gif

[Gravy]

nobody is going to be playing every down in blache's schemes.. what daniels can bring is great toughness against the run, plus, like evans he can rotate inside on passing downs

we have to see what evans wants to sign, but i suspect the team will re sign daniels one way or the other after the draft..

...Um, Yeah...I thought Ahk said that Daniels had been replaced by a cardboard cut-out years ago

[NCskinsfanatic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_blue :smash:

Baby blue is too bright to be our color dude, our color is Carolina Blue...

http://wearesc.com/forums/images/smilies/nana.gif



Hey I know you're right I just refuse to accept it lol. Go Pack!

It does say this in your link however...The color is sometimes referred to as light blue, sky blue, powder blue, or baby blue.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

As already mentioned, role player at best. We still need a bonafide starter. *Sigh*

[akhhorus]

...Um, Yeah...I thought Ahk said that Daniels had been replaced by a cardboard cut-out years ago

No, I said that a cardboard cut out of Daniels would be more effective than the real Philip Daniels.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Hey I know you're right I just refuse to accept it lol. Go Pack!

It does say this in your link however...

lol, How many teams have their own color by the way?

[Gravy]

No, I said that a cardboard cut out of Daniels would be more effective than the real Philip Daniels.

Ah...who is cheaper?

[shally]

As already mentioned, role player at best. We still need a bonafide starter. *Sigh*


that's all blache wants anyway..role players

[lorimike]

Here's the problem. All the good defensive ends in this draft are smallish 260 lbs or less that every pundits says " would be a great fit as an OLB in a 3-4 " Where are the good defensive left ends that can play the run and rush the passer? There's Tyson Jackson and little else. And guess what the pundits all say would be a good " DE in a 3-4." Everyone is all about this 3-4 stuff. We need a Left defensive end and I just don't see many options for us. Evans probably is the best option for us.

[Houskin3]

Chris Wilson reminds me of Chris Clemons, who we let go and he went to Oakland and had 8 sacks in year 1. Then he went to philly and has done little...

[Houskin3]

Orakpo is a true 4-3 DE, yes he could play OLB in a 3-4 but he is a tailormade 4-3 DE. Unfortunately he is about the only one that projects as a 1st round talent. You're right about they rest, they project mostly as tweeners. The dude from LSU is not a pass rusher, but is a run clogger which is why he is pegged as a 3-4 DE.

IMO, the DE options for the Skins in round 1 begin and end with Orakpo. If he is gone, and the top 4 OTs are gone, I pray we try like hell to trade back even if we dont get "sheet" value.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Chris Wilson reminds me of Chris Clemons, who we let go and he went to Oakland and had 8 sacks in year 1. Then he went to philly and has done little...

So is it that you think Wilson can turn into Clemons or are you saying that our pass rush philosophy sucks?? How about Walt Harris who was nothing much while here, leaves us for SF and goes to the Probowl.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

So is it that you think Wilson can turn into Clemons or are you saying that our pass rush philosophy sucks?? How about Walt Harris who was nothing much while here, leaves us for SF and goes to the Probowl.

Some of it bad luck, and then some coaching...

[VegasSkinsFan]

Some of it bad luck, and then some coaching...

If thats the case then I'm guessing 75% coaching, 25% luck. My thing is, if you have playmakers....let them make plays. I'm not saying evans or harris were playmakers, but i think the coaching scheme takes away from a players instincts at times.

[Houskin3]

Not really sure why Clemons broke out in Oak, probably a lack of opportunities here, but I don't remember exactly.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Not really sure why Clemons broke out in Oak, probably a lack of opportunities here, but I don't remember exactly.


Me either, and things should be different with AH in middle. But if clemons was with us last year, he probably wouldnt have had more than 3 sacks....i just think its more of "hold your position" first, then go after the qb.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Me either, and things should be different with AH in middle. But if clemons was with us last year, he probably wouldnt have had more than 3 sacks....i just think its more of "hold your position" first, then go after the qb.

Blache is old-school, he will never be about the pass rush it is always "Gap management", stay in your lane and be conservative...

[NCskinsfanatic]

Blache is old-school, he will never be about the pass rush it is always "Gap management", stay in your lane and be conservative...

Sad thing is it looked pretty good in Chicago not sure if its talent or what but it hasnt translated here.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Sad thing is it looked pretty good in Chicago not sure if its talent or what but it hasnt translated here.

Chicago had BU, healthy Mike Brown, and whoever else, our defense isn't that much different IMO... (I could be wrong what years did they run the scheme)

[Red Bear]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/04/evans-chooses-niners/

it appears we dont have to wait till friday, evans will be a 49er

[Tha Boss Hogg]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/04/evans-chooses-niners/

it appears we dont have to wait till friday, evans will be a 49er

HE IS A COWBOY, why did I even believe he was going to come back...
:smash: (to myself)

[VegasSkinsFan]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/04/evans-chooses-niners/

it appears we dont have to wait till friday, evans will be a 49er


Guess he wanted out of here...probably would have gotten the same thing here. Then probably PD comes back for a year and hopefully go get olshansky now...he seems more of a hold the point, 300 pounder that will fit blaches scheme.

[NCskinsfanatic]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/04/evans-chooses-niners/

it appears we dont have to wait till friday, evans will be a 49er

Probably knew he'd have to share time with Daniels, Jackson and Wilson and wants to be the guy. No way we couldnt have matched that deal...less than 2 mil per.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Probably knew he'd have to share time with Daniels, Jackson and Wilson and wants to be the guy. No way we couldnt have matched that deal...less than 2 mil per.

Maybe the FO didnt think he was that important...i mentioned earlier that if they thought highly of him, they wouldnt have had to trade for JT. The skins could have paid that. Now its only to Plan 9 from Outer Space.

[Red Bear]

HE IS A COWBOY, why did I even believe he was going to come back...
:smash: (to myself)

im not angered at all about him leaving. may open the way for someone else who is younger and more talented rushing the passer. meanwhile phillip daniels stock just rose as it pertains to returning to the redskins.

[Houskin3]

I don't see how Olshanksky fits our defense at all. He is a proto 3-4 DE, surely one of these 3-4 teams will pay him more than we are able to, if they don't then I would be very concerned that we are getting something we don't want.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

im not angered at all about him leaving. may open the way for someone else who is younger and more talented rushing the passer. meanwhile phillip daniels stock just rose as it pertains to returning to the redskins.

Not angry, I just was so sure he wouldn't leave that a spot is available lol...
PD is a bridger now and Igor should get a second look, maybe this will put an emphasis on the LB's in FA now...

[skinsfan36]

what is evans going to do in san fran in a 3-4?well i guess we get daniels back for cheap now. danny cmon you have the cap room fix one of our three glaring needs preferally two. draft a RT in round 1 then bpa at dl/lb in rd 3.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Maybe the FO didnt think he was that important...i mentioned earlier that if they thought highly of him, they wouldnt have had to trade for JT. The skins could have paid that. Now its only to Plan 9 from Outer Space.

Yeah evidentally they didnt think he was worth it or he'd have been resigned. Who knows maybe we hurt his feelings not resigning him early before he hit the market. Daniels will come in for less than Evans got and offer a similar skill set although older and more injury prone. If we're smart we sure up the RT situation now and sign Crowell at OLB.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Would have liked to keep Evans but not gonna lose sleep over his departure either. Now we may have to get Daniels, ugh!!

[skinsfan36]

Would have liked to keep Evans but not gonna lose sleep over his departure either. Now we may have to get Daniels, ugh!!

he will come cheap and help vs the run. we will add someone else for sure whether that be a draft pick. or olshansky/montgomery/rice/babin/berry

[NCskinsfanatic]

he will come cheap and help vs the run. we will add someone else for sure whether that be a draft pick. or olshansky/montgomery/rice/babin/berry

I'd be fine with adding Kendall as back up G/C, Ray Wills G/T and Crowell at OLB. Then while you still need youth for the OL,DL and LB you can be more flexible whether it's trading down or staying at 13.

[nicefellow31]

Amazing how things turn around. Start of training camp, no Daniels. Start of FA, no Taylor, lost picks, no Evans, and Daniels on verge of coming back.

[Gravy]

Amazing how things turn around. Start of training camp, no Daniels. Start of FA, no Taylor, lost picks, no Evans, and Daniels on verge of coming back.

Oh Joy...:blah:

[BurgundyNGold]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/04/evans-chooses-niners/

it appears we dont have to wait till friday, evans will be a 49er
On the one hand, this is good because it will force the FO to sign someone diffferent at DE.

Ugh. On the other hand, that someone will probably be Phillip Daniels.

[shally]

On the one hand, this is good because it will force the FO to sign someone diffferent at DE.

Ugh. On the other hand, that someone will probably be Phillip Daniels.

good... daniels + a young player (jackson/buzbee/wilson/draft pick) is better than evans + daniels

[BurgundyNGold]

good... daniels + a young player (jackson/buzbee/wilson/draft pick) is better than evans + daniels
Young player + jock itch > young player + Daniels

[shally]

Young player + jock itch > young player + Daniels

daniels = rigor mortis

he wont be moved

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Why this team isn't at least looking at Olhansky or Berry is beyond me... Evans, meh... Daniels, ugh...

[shally]

Why this team isn't at least looking at Olhansky or Berry is beyond me... Evans, meh... Daniels, ugh...

maybe they wanted evans over olshansky ?

maybe someone in the front office reads internet threads that flame them for signing over age 35 veterans ?

and berry will actually rush the passer-- something blache abhors and wont tolerate...

[Skins-fo-life]

Even if we draft a DE with Number 13 what is the chance that this player will make an immediate contribution even playing beside Haynesworth. This probablt just sealed the deal for Daniels to come back which sucks imo. I know Daniels is a power lifter and all but he didn't play last year and is an older player. For the most part he used to play the run well but was never a threat to sack the QB unless you count his once in a lifetime 4 sack day when he destroyed Bledsoe. I don't think Taylor was the answer either. I'm sorry for my lack of optimism but I don't think Rob Jackson is gonna be the answer. Hopefully Haynesworth will take enough blockers to where Wilson can fly off of the edge. He is a speed rusher at best. Opposing teams will exploit this especially with the LB hole. So does this mean that HB will line up behind the mystery DE. I hope not. Anyways good luck to Demetric Evans. He played decent in limited playing time. I hope he gets a starting gig out in San fran.

[mr shadow 008]

well apparently we were gonna be playin jason taylor at lb and not d end this comin up season per the washington post here "Jason Taylor was going to play [strong-side] linebacker, we were still going to have to fill the left end spot," said Cerrato, who confirmed the team has only "a little flexibility" to sign additional players.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303214.html

[shally]

well apparently we were gonna be playin jason taylor at lb and not d end this comin up season per the washington post here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303214.html

little flexibility my azzz !!!

they have 8 mil to play with..

rubbish !!!!

[RedskinsDave]

This is exactly what is wrong with the way this team is run. Who are the DE's now? Every time we make a splash for one position, it sacrifices another. :smash:

[joethefan]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Would be a good signing IMO, Evans sounded like he really wanted to be featured this season in an interview not too long ago, sometimes guys take a bit more time than others to develop, plus we're thin at DE as it is.


if he posted those numbers ...did he have a better season than the dancing bear?.....

[joethefan]

Even if we draft a DE with Number 13 what is the chance that this player will make an immediate contribution even playing beside Haynesworth. This probablt just sealed the deal for Daniels to come back which sucks imo. I know Daniels is a power lifter and all but he didn't play last year and is an older player. For the most part he used to play the run well but was never a threat to sack the QB unless you count his once in a lifetime 4 sack day when he destroyed Bledsoe. I don't think Taylor was the answer either. I'm sorry for my lack of optimism but I don't think Rob Jackson is gonna be the answer. Hopefully Haynesworth will take enough blockers to where Wilson can fly off of the edge. He is a speed rusher at best. Opposing teams will exploit this especially with the LB hole. So does this mean that HB will line up behind the mystery DE. I hope not. Anyways good luck to Demetric Evans. He played decent in limited playing time. I hope he gets a starting gig out in San fran.

if we draft a guy at 13 i don't care who he is, he'd better come in and make an impact....

taylor imo just wasn't used right blache had the gw mentality "its the scheme" "learn the scheme.....to hell with scheme if it gets you that less turnovers and sacks......

[Jon Creveling]

if we draft a guy at 13 i don't care who he is, he'd better come in and make an impact....


Vinny and the scouts better have their S in order, if we stay at 13 on either line I want someone that is either Bugel-proof or Blache-proof! Day one impact! No excuses short of injury!

[smoak]

Goodbye and fair thee well to DE the DE.

[Jon Creveling]

No, I said that a cardboard cut out of Daniels would be more effective than the real Philip Daniels.

I remember that:) but I also recall you offering too high of a grade for the last playoff game in your post game write up.:smash:

As for Phil "keep an eye on the d-line" Daniels , the guy has been a major fraud, good as others have said holding ground and at one time batting balls down but what does he have left if anything in the tank?

If they intend on bringing Phil back again all that does is forward to Greg that it's ok to stand pat on his thinking, does not demand much change out of him. I think you must force his hand if you are F.O.!

[Lavar703]

I think were taking Orakpo if hes there

[Moe]

[QUOTE=joethefan;1202120]if we draft a guy at 13 i don't care who he is, he'd better come in and make an impact....[\QUOTE]

Rookie dlineman rarely step right in and make an impact. It would seem that any DE they draft will be in a rotation and unless he really maximizes his opportunities, then we likely see a bit player at that spot at best. I would think it's more likely that one of the group of Jackson/Buzbee/Wilson finds a groove and gets most of the snaps.

[BurgundyNGold]

Rookie dlineman rarely step right in and make an impact. It would seem that any DE they draft will be in a rotation and unless he really maximizes his opportunities, then we likely see a bit player at that spot at best. I would think it's more likely that one of the group of Jackson/Buzbee/Wilson finds a groove and gets most of the snaps.
Sadly, there is no evidence that any of these guys can play in the NFL. Maybe Wilson, but he's a situational pass rusher, at best. Oh, and he can only rush form the right side, which doesn't help us.

[shally]

I think were taking Orakpo if hes there

he wont be

besides, the chatter is that taylor was to be a SLB this year.. that is still what we need, despite losing out on evans

[shally]

[QUOTE=joethefan;1202120]if we draft a guy at 13 i don't care who he is, he'd better come in and make an impact....[\QUOTE]

Rookie dlineman rarely step right in and make an impact. It would seem that any DE they draft will be in a rotation and unless he really maximizes his opportunities, then we likely see a bit player at that spot at best. I would think it's more likely that one of the group of Jackson/Buzbee/Wilson finds a groove and gets most of the snaps.

jackson got a little positive press this offseason

[PhilVan]

Vinny and the scouts better have their S in order, if we stay at 13 on either line I want someone that is either Bugel-proof or Blache-proof! Day one impact! No excuses short of injury!

I agree that 13 should make an impact but in reality it is probably a 50-50 chance. That is why NE hate 1st round picks. You pay too much for the reward.

Only 4 of the top 10 picks in 2005 are playing worth a d@mn now. We can't expect every pick to perform.

Blaming veterans or rookies failure to play on Bugel or Blache is stretching it a little.

"Everyone is crawling underneath the bushes right now looking for people. There's nobody coming out of the cracks."

~ Joe Bugel

[JsMaViSd]

close this thread now. Evans signed with the niners.

[Moe]

Sadly, there is no evidence that any of these guys can play in the NFL. Maybe Wilson, but he's a situational pass rusher, at best. Oh, and he can only rush form the right side, which doesn't help us.

I might be crazy but I swear they lined up Wilson on the left side occassionally in '07. Last year, he seemed only on the right, but maybe I'm mistaken.
Jackson had some meaningful snaps in a few games last year and at least didn't stand out as an obvious weak point. Hopefully there's something to build on there.

Buzbee is the real mystery. It seems that he made an impression coming into last season, so if he is 100% maybe he's a sleeper.

[JsMaViSd]

i honestly think we have something in Buzbee. Watching his technique just shows something. And he supposively had gotten a lot stronger in the offseason before his injury.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

So we lost Evans, but really it's not that much of a loss. Now we get to look at some new talent. It's not like he was tearing it up that much.

[shally]

So we lost Evans, but really it's not that much of a loss. Now we get to look at some new talent. It's not like he was tearing it up that much.
exactly.. no great loss. develop better young talent

[BurgundyNGold]

I might be crazy but I swear they lined up Wilson on the left side occassionally in '07. Last year, he seemed only on the right, but maybe I'm mistaken.
Jackson had some meaningful snaps in a few games last year and at least didn't stand out as an obvious weak point. Hopefully there's something to build on there.
Wilson is a far different player when rushing on the right side. He's a non factor on the left.

Buzbee is the real mystery. It seems that he made an impression coming into last season, so if he is 100% maybe he's a sleeper.

i honestly think we have something in Buzbee. Watching his technique just shows something. And he supposively had gotten a lot stronger in the offseason before his injury.
If I had to bet money on it, I'd say he's more likely to join the Legion of Awesome than to be an NFL regular.

[shally]

Wilson is a far different player when rushing on the right side. He's a non factor on the left.




If I had to bet money on it, I'd say he's more likely to join the Legion of Awesome than to be an NFL regular.

yup... reserve a spot for The Buzz (as opposed to The Boz..lol)

[Gravy]

exactly.. no great loss. develop better young talent

...Rob Jackson????

[shally]

...Rob Jackson????

jackson>buzbee>wilson> UDFA

remember it took chris clemons about 4 years to develop

[BurgundyNGold]

jackson>buzbee>wilson> UDFA

remember it took chris clemons about 4 years to develop
I like Wilson, I just think that he's too small to be an every down player and you can only use him on one side of the formation. Other than that, he's awesome, lol.

[Gravy]

I like Wilson, I just think that he's too small to be an every down player and you can only use him on one side of the formation. Other than that, he's awesome, lol.

As in Legion of...

[Jon Creveling]

Blaming veterans or rookies failure to play on Bugel or Blache is stretching it a little.


Phil this is nothing new to me as far as B'ing & Moaning about these two in my posts going years back. It's not something I just picked up this offseason:)!

5! Years running and our o-line is still in the shape it is? No drafted talent in 5 years to speak of, and the one they did (Rinehart) is sized up as a bust? The only time in 5 years this o-line looked great for more than a few games at a time was in 'year of Betts', other than that it's been very hit or miss. On top of that any second string guys look unprepared when they are called into games. Stupid me I actually thought that both Gibbs and Bugel would make the o-line a feature of this team once again instead of the patchwork we now call a line as they present it.

On the other side of the ball just what have we had in 5 years? 10 minute 16 play drives where no one steps up? They looked totally unprepared for that Dallas deathdrive in Washington this year, both in scheme and manpower as if they banked on Dallas with Romo's bad hand to just toss the ball around with a late lead, when Dallas had the balls to actually run on them, both the players and coaching were at a complete loss!

Heck man I'm still pissed over Tiki's send off party.

Forget about pressure and or sacks out of Gregs mindset. Big Al won't be a cure all unless Greg opens up his schemes. I for one don't want to see REINS on our new Racehorse:).

Back to Evans, he was the only guy on the line this year in my opinion that played up to his talent level, or at the very worst maintained his talent level
Everyone else went backwards or leveled off, Palermo??? Gregs schemes??? Lack of real talent??? Probably a combo.

Coach Coughlin said it best when he called this D quote "Stingy", many of us want better than stingy.

[BurgundyNGold]

As in Legion of...
Maybe, lol. Wilson is not getting jocked as hard as Buzbee, though, which is odd considering that he had 4.0 sacks in 2007.

[Swirvi]

Perhaps he could be a beneficiary of the AH signing, we'll see if he stays or goes i suppose - but his 11 starts, 33 tackles, and 3.5 sacks project to around 48 tackles and 7 sacks for starting 16 games, and that was without AH, for what it's worth...

3.5 sacks in 11 starts = 7 sacks in 16 starts?

I know I haven't had math class in a while, but...

[Jon Creveling]

Maybe, lol. Wilson is not getting jocked as hard as Buzbee, though, which is odd considering that he had 4.0 sacks in 2007.

B.N.G. a question, seeing you have Darnerien on your L.O.A. and he did have what 7 tds that one year, how's about taking him off and replacing him with the kid that had 4! sacks in the Osaka game?

Sorry I can't recall the kids name. Plus my feelings are hurt, I'm probably the only Skins fan other than his mom that has a McCANTS jersey:smash:

Can you help me out B.N.G.?

[skinfan43]

3.5 sacks in 11 starts = 7 sacks in 16 starts?

I know I haven't had math class in a while, but...
LMAO... well, c'mon... 5, 7, something like that. How about MORE? lol

Non issue now, he's gone... be good to address DE in the draft somewhere again.

[BurgundyNGold]

B.N.G. a question, seeing you have Darnerien on your L.O.A. and he did have what 7 tds that one year, how's about taking him off and replacing him with the kid that had 4! sacks in the Osaka game?

Sorry I can't recall the kids name. Plus my feelings are hurt, I'm probably the only Skins fan other than his mom that has a McCANTS jersey:smash:

Can you help me out B.N.G.?
:lol1:

We can review the Legion inductees in after the preseason. I promise.

BTW, when you abbreviate my name that way, it makes me feel, well, Notorious, lol.

[shally]

I like Wilson, I just think that he's too small to be an every down player and you can only use him on one side of the formation. Other than that, he's awesome, lol.

what are his dimensions compared to clemons ? cant be that much difference ?

[BurgundyNGold]

what are his dimensions compared to clemons ? cant be that much difference ?
Same weight (around 240) but Wilson is 2" taller at 6'-4".

[shally]

Same weight (around 240) but Wilson is 2" taller at 6'-4".

good comparison, then

as i recalled about clemons when he was here, aside from being hurt all the time, he seemed to have only one move- a speed move to the outside.
kind of like wilson.. maybe wilson can learn some other moves and develop?

also, playing on philly's defense, and playing besides burgess in oakland undoubtedly helped clemons.. upgrade our D line and i think wilson looks better.. if not, cut him in favor of The Buzz or Jackson...

[Jon Creveling]

:lol1

BTW, when you abbreviate my name that way, it makes me feel, well, Notorious, lol.

Does have an sinister tone to it! Btw what was that kids name? Anyone?

[skinsfan36]

saw on redskins insider that we may resign daniels and wynn. daniels ok. but wynn....why? because he got sacks vs jansen

[bigcmr]

Im glad they let him walk. He had no up side at all.

[firehawk157]

saw on redskins insider that we may resign daniels and wynn. daniels ok. but wynn....why? because he got sacks vs jansen
I know Daniels is a good chance, but I think Wynn is speculation at this point. There's no point if we sign Daniels.

[BurgundyNGold]

Does have an sinister tone to it! Btw what was that kids name? Anyone?
LaDairis Jackson (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0020070)

[chrisbcbu]

Not too hurt over Evans signing elsewhere. I know he wants a chance to start and he was never going to get that here as we all see him as a situational player.

I could see Daniels coming back and that is all we need right now. Noone else that is available excites me right now.

[BurgundyNGold]

Not too hurt over Evans signing elsewhere. I know he wants a chance to start and he was never going to get that here as we all see him as a situational player.

I could see Daniels coming back and that is all we need right now. Noone else that is available excites me right now.
We do not need Daniels. Keeping Daniels around retards the development of younger players at the expense of playing a sub par DE in their place.

[shally]

We do not need Daniels. Keeping Daniels around retards the development of younger players at the expense of playing a sub par DE in their place.

wynn is worse.. he peaked years ago..

[Luis Landa]

We shouldn't even think about resigning Renaldo Wynn and Phillp Daniels they are in their mid 30's. I would sign Igor Olshansky or wait untill the draft to get a DE instead of resigning either of them.

[VegasSkinsFan]

We shouldn't even think about resigning Renaldo Wynn and Phillp Daniels they are in their mid 30's. I would sign Igor Olshansky or wait untill the draft to get a DE instead of resigning either of them.

Kind of agree....Olshansky is no world beater, but i think he can hold the point and is younger then the other 2. There will be cuts, and we can always find a vet min filler after the draft/summer cuts.

[colkurtz]

We need to draft for the DE like every other team in the NFL.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

We need to draft for the DE like every other team in the NFL.
Great idea! Absolutely brilliant! :D

[shally]

Great idea! Absolutely brilliant! :D

next thing, they will be talking about bringing back K Lang to start at SLB.. he is the same age as wynn

[colkurtz]

Great idea! Absolutely brilliant! :D

Not that we'll do it!

Which is why we bet our pass rush on Daniels last year; wasted draft picks and money on Jason Taylor; then are back to betting our pass rush on a 35 year old DE who got 2.5 sacks two seasons ago.

We have no plan.

:smash:

[shally]

Not that we'll do it!

Which is why we bet our pass rush on Daniels last year; wasted draft picks and money on Jason Taylor; then are back to betting our pass rush on a 35 year old DE who got 2.5 sacks two seasons ago.

We have no plan.

:smash:

we have no plan for PASS RUSH from defensive linemen.. that is the basic problem with blache's scheme

[skinsfan36]

evans was on 980 on the jt show complaining how the skins dont keep young guys who work their way up. referred to himself like he was in the same company as clark,pierce. lol no way
one you werent offered a deal until late. pierce,clark were lowballed. two you are 30 yrs old.and three we are drafting a defensive end in the draft

[shally]

evans was on 980 on the jt show complaining how the skins dont keep young guys who work their way up. referred to himself like he was in the same company as clark,pierce. lol no way
one you werent offered a deal until late. pierce,clark were lowballed. two you are 30 yrs old.and three we are drafting a defensive end in the draft

whether we draft someone or not, evans has no reason to gripe. we pulled him off the ash heap after dallas cut him.. then we allowed him to slowly develop.
we gave him at least a couple of chances to seize the starting end position due to injuries (wynn, daniels) and he did absolutely nothing to indicate that he was a full time starter in the nfl

he is 30. he is a decent rotational player, and on a great DL like the Giants or Philly's, he would likely have some good stats.. let's see what he does on the derelict-niners.. personally, i would have taken marques douglas over him in a heartbeat. and that would apply to berry or olshansky as well.. further, i would rather see what jackson, buzbee or wilson can do. evans had it exactly wrong-- HE is the older guy the skins are dumping to keep one of the 3 younger guys

if we do sign either wynn or daniels, i think we will get steadier play against the run from either of those 2 guys in 2009..

dont let the door hit you in the butt on the way out...

[Jon Creveling]

we have no plan for PASS RUSH from defensive linemen.. that is the basic problem with blache's scheme

If you go way back, anyone remember the bad rap that Kenard got tagged with for being an undisciplined player? Greg doesn't do undisciplined!

Sometimes I wished we had a renegade player with talent that would break form with the game on the line. Still jealous of Dockett in the superbowl. Not sure of course if his d-cord pulled out all the stops or the player himself just willed it but we need someone to bring it with the game on the line.

Big problem is getting a player with enough talent that can sidestep Gregs dog house!

As far as Renaldo and Phil personally I'd rather root for the backups than them, right or wrong sometimes I get tired of watching the same guys over and over again. Like in other posts you may have to pry Gregs fingers off these guys to get ahead.

[Gravy]

I think Daniels will be back...only because he is Blache's boy and to his credit, he can stuff the run...I wonder how effective our goal-line D would be with AC, AH, CG, PD...thats a lot of beef

[Tha Boss Hogg]

I think Daniels will be back...only because he is Blache's boy and to his credit, he can stuff the run...I wonder how effective our goal-line D would be with AC, AH, CG, PD...thats a lot of beef

Yeah PD will be back, I have a headache for some odd reason....

[Gravy]

Yeah PD will be back, I have a headache for some odd reason....

...so do most of the fan base...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

...so do most of the fan base...

lol, Probably...

[shally]

lol, Probably...

just wait.. it is only going to get worse.. full blown migraine...

[Gravy]

just wait.. it is only going to get worse.. full blown migraine...

That could a fun but painful thread..."What have been the biggest headaches since Danny bought the Redskins in 1999"

[shally]

That could a fun but painful thread..."What have been the biggest headaches since Danny bought the Redskins in 1999"

VINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNY VINNY

[Gravy]

VINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNYVINNY VINNY

Jeff George...

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Jeff George...

Desmond Howard...

[shally]

Jeff George...

jeff george did damage for 1 year

vinny is the gift that keeps on giving

[shally]

Desmond Howard...

not a bad choice.. he was a big misfire by gibbs.. we actually traded up to get a shot at him. and he turned out not to be an nfl level receiver-- but a very fine returner-- for Green Bay

if you want another huge bust, look at andre johnson T.. who never played a regular season down for us.. just a terrible, awful, wasted first round pick..

[NCskinsfanatic]

not a bad choice.. he was a big misfire by gibbs.. we actually traded up to get a shot at him. and he turned out not to be an nfl level receiver-- but a very fine returner-- for Green Bay

if you want another huge bust, look at andre johnson T.. who never played a regular season down for us.. just a terrible, awful, wasted first round pick..

One that we traded with the pukes for on top of it...which makes it even worse if thats possible.

[shally]

One that we traded with the pukes for on top of it...which makes it even worse if thats possible.


it marked the decline of gibbs tenure

[Gravy]

not a bad choice.. he was a big misfire by gibbs.. we actually traded up to get a shot at him. and he turned out not to be an nfl level receiver-- but a very fine returner-- for Green Bay

if you want another huge bust, look at andre johnson T.. who never played a regular season down for us.. just a terrible, awful, wasted first round pick..

...Tracy Rocker

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Redskins make offer to Daniels, he claims other teams are calling though lol...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/redskins_make_contract_offer_t.html

[shally]

Redskins make offer to Daniels, he claims other teams are calling though lol...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/redskins_make_contract_offer_t.html

phone just ringing off the hook.. jerry jones making crank calls

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

what hurt desmond howard so bad was the fact he held out most of his rookie training camp.the highlight of his whole time in dc was returning a lateral brian mitchell threw him 30 yards across the field for a td in his 1st season against the falcons.and as long as there is an nfl draft,the redskins will never,ever ever ever ever have a more wasted draft choice than heath shuler!!!!!may be the worst draft choice in league history!!!

[shally]

what hurt desmond howard so bad was the fact he held out most of his rookie training camp.the highlight of his whole time in dc was returning a lateral brian mitchell threw him 30 yards across the field for a td in his 1st season against the falcons.and as long as there is an nfl draft,the redskins will never,ever ever ever ever have a more wasted draft choice than heath shuler!!!!!may be the worst draft choice in league history!!!


qb's are always high risk/high reward

not even close to guys like todd marinovich or ryan leaf or rick mirer or andre ware.. the list of woe goes on and on