Elton Brown G/T to visit Redskins

[shally]

Jasno at the WaPo insiders reports that Elton Brown G/T free agent from the Cards is due to vist the Redskins. there is a player to consider.
more an inside player. kind of a poor mans leonard davis.. big, but not likely agile enough for outside at tackle..


also, some of the posters onhis blog referenced a notice that Willis HAD visited the skins on Weds.. anyone elsepick up on this ??

actually, on the washington times blog of dave elfin, it did report that ray willis HAD visited the redskins on Weds.. no signing or offer to report.. at least sanity seems to have been present yesterday...

a combo of brown/willis would look very good now. add those 2 to dockery and the entire make up of the o line changes

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Can any of them play center?

[AliBabba]

Can any of them play center?
No but Pete Kendall can and they may bring him back ... I would rather have Kendall for the flexibility he can provide, we need a guy that can play G/C AND an RT.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Not a bad idea to look at Brown. Pretty good "depth" signing if it comes to past.

[skinsfan36]

wow they quietly visited with willis? btw the wash post sucks with jlc on vacation jason reid is way late on everything.
i like brown and think he would be a good right tackle. had him in my fa wishlist sig. hey get him on a value deal and start him at right tackle,if he fails move him to right guard next year.

[AliBabba]

wow they quietly visited with willis? btw the wash post sucks with jlc on vacation jason reid is way late on everything.
i like brown and think he would be a good right tackle. had him in my fa wishlist sig. hey get him on a value deal and start him at right tackle,if he fails move him to right guard next year.
We don't need any more depth at Right Tackle since we can't cut Jansen ... unless this guy's starting caliber I don't want him

[skinsfan36]

you know the skins have alot of cap room maybe they sign willis,brown and dump jansen(cap hit)

[shally]

We don't need any more depth at Right Tackle since we can't cut Jansen ... unless this guy's starting caliber I don't want him


both these guys are very similar.. 6' 5" and over 300 lbs.. brown is more of a guard and willis is more of a tackle, but both are flexible enough to play either position

willis DID start at RT for locklear due to injury last year.. someone posted he gave up 2 sacks in 11 games (cant verify that).. but both have starting potential

jansen might need to be on the roster, but he doesnt have to start..

[shally]

you know the skins have alot of cap room maybe they sign willis,brown and dump jansen(cap hit)

i honestly dont think that is the plan. to cut jansen would eat up too much cap room this year.. next year

but we could solve depth problems and have a potential starter with either guy.. brown is said to have weight issues

[AliBabba]

you know the skins have alot of cap room maybe they sign willis,brown and dump jansen(cap hit)
I think cutting him would mean a hit in the vicinity of $6M+ ... they're not gonna do that with an uncapped year around the bend ... plus he's a decent run-blocking depth player anyhow

[skinsfan36]

both these guys are very similar.. 6' 5" and over 300 lbs.. brown is more of a guard and willis is more of a tackle, but both are flexible enough to play either position

willis DID start at RT for locklear due to injury last year.. someone posted he gave up 2 sacks in 11 games (cant verify that).. but both have starting potential

jansen might need to be on the roster, but he doesnt have to start..

1.5 sacks in 11 games

[shally]

I think cutting him would mean a hit in the vicinity of $6M+ ... they're not gonna do that with an uncapped year around the bend ... plus he's a decent run-blocking depth player anyhow

agree. the question is whether either of these guys represents a step up over heyer ?

[AliBabba]

both these guys are very similar.. 6' 5" and over 300 lbs.. brown is more of a guard and willis is more of a tackle, but both are flexible enough to play either position

willis DID start at RT for locklear due to injury last year.. someone posted he gave up 2 sacks in 11 games (cant verify that).. but both have starting potential

jansen might need to be on the roster, but he doesnt have to start..
I don't know enough about Brown but I don't want to bring this guy in and hope that we find a starter between he, Heyer and Jansen. no thanks.

I have heard as well that Willis did a very good job starting last year so I'd be much more inclined to bring him in. In the end I'd rather address depth on the interior of the line in FA and draft a guy to play RT

[skinsfan36]

I think cutting him would mean a hit in the vicinity of $6M+ ... they're not gonna do that with an uncapped year around the bend ... plus he's a decent run-blocking depth player anyhow

good point

[shally]

1.5 sacks in 11 games


better than either heyer or jansen if that is true..thanks

[AliBabba]

agree. the question is whether either of these guys represents a step up over heyer ?
I don't want to bring them in unless we're sure they're better than both

[shally]

I don't know enough about Brown but I don't want to bring this guy in and hope that we find a starter between he, Heyer and Jansen. no thanks.

I have heard as well that Willis did a very good job starting last year so I'd be much more inclined to bring him in. In the end I'd rather address depth on the interior of the line in FA and draft a guy to play RT

i think brown is a lot like dockery. he needs to get his body in better shape and commit to a program.. if so he has real potential.. he was solid in college

[skinsfan36]

better than either heyer or jansen if that is true..thanks

yeah and one thing to keep in mind is zorn knows him and he was blocking in a wco mostly for an awful senecca wallace. ok front office sign this guy if hes not asking for alot

[shally]

I don't want to bring them in unless we're sure they're better than both

well, willis has starting history.. i would tend to give him the nod..

both guys should be hittin gthier peak now after 4-5 years. young players right on the cusp of doing well.. or, maxing out.. there is always risk

[AliBabba]

yeah and one thing to keep in mind is zorn knows him and he was blocking in a wco mostly for an awful senecca wallace. ok front office sign this guy if hes not asking for alot
I'd rather have Seneca Wallace than Todd Collins

[AliBabba]

well, willis has starting history.. i would tend to give him the nod..

both guys should be hittin gthier peak now after 4-5 years. young players right on the cusp of doing well.. or, maxing out.. there is always risk
If Willis can be signed for less than $5M in guaranteed money I'm down

[Redskin4Life]

Can any of them play center?
Jansen can... he played C for a couple of games at Michigan.

[skinfan43]

Let's play Haynesworth at RT too. Like paying two dudes $20.5 mil guaranteed each instead.

And why is everyone so high on this "Willis" dude? Did the same as Heyer, basically, right? Lets "upgrade" if we are really going to "upgrade", otherwise draft IMO. That's been one of Snyderrato's biggest brainfarts - wasted $$ on mediocre talent.

[Redskin4Life]

I hope we can sign both on the cheap... it would be nice to know that we are only looking for LBs and DEs in this draft. And if we have one of the OTs fall in our lap, we can drop one of these guys with no problem.

[skinfan43]

Jasno at the WaPo insiders reports that Elton Brown G/T free agent from the Cards is due to vist the Redskins. there is a player to consider.
more an inside player. kind of a poor mans leonard davis.. big, but not likely agile enough for outside at tackle..


also, some of the posters onhis blog referenced a notice that Willis HAD visited the skins on Weds.. anyone elsepick up on this ??

actually, on the washington times blog of dave elfin, it did report that ray willis HAD visited the redskins on Weds.. no signing or offer to report.. at least sanity seems to have been present yesterday...

a combo of brown/willis would look very good now. add those 2 to dockery and the entire make up of the o line changes

Free agent offensive lineman Ray Willis, who played four seasons with Seattle, visited Redskins Park yesterday.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/skins_say_no_to_to_speculation.html

[skinsfan36]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/skins_say_no_to_to_speculation.html

wash post late to the party again lol. heres the times report

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/Mar/05/willis-first-free-agent-visit-redskins/
raiders(visited),and seahawks(want him back) are interested in him

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Center is not a concern, first off, Buges loves Rabach, says he's the best center he ever coached. So really don't think of replacing Casey. But, the fact that Heyer and Jansen are going to compete, makes Elton Brown look pretty good.

[Moe]

Let's play Haynesworth at RT too. Like paying two dudes $20.5 mil guaranteed each instead.

And why is everyone so high on this "Willis" dude? Did the same as Heyer, basically, right? Lets "upgrade" if we are really going to "upgrade", otherwise draft IMO. That's been one of Snyderrato's biggest brainfarts - wasted $$ on mediocre talent.

Heyer has never played in 11 games to even make a 1-1 comparison, so based on that alone it would seem that Willis shows signs of being an upgrade. Also, the NFC West played the NFC East this year and to only give up 1.5 sacks is fairly impressive on the surface. Note that I'm not totally down on Heyer; he might not be elite or even a full time starter but the kid showed he can play some and if he improves his run blocking, could be a solid player.

Anyway, odds are a rookie OT a #13 will cost more and has a higher chance of being a mediocre talent than a guy that the coach has worked with and has the bulk of a season as a starter against which to judge.

[skinsfan36]

Center is not a concern, first off, Buges loves Rabach, says he's the best center he ever coached. So really don't think of replacing Casey. But, the fact that Heyer and Jansen are going to compete, makes Elton Brown look pretty good.

well he is awful against nose tackles

[skinsfan36]

willis started 10 games last year gave up 1.5 sacks. played in wco at seahawks zand zorn knows him.

brown was coached by our boy russ grimm,maybe we got some insight.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Center is not a concern, first off, Buges loves Rabach, says he's the best center he ever coached. So really don't think of replacing Casey. But, the fact that Heyer and Jansen are going to compete, makes Elton Brown look pretty good.
When did he say that? I find it very weird considering.... Jeff... what's his name? Oh, right, Jeff Bostic!

[Poindexter]

Anyway, odds are a rookie OT a #13 will cost more and has a higher chance of being a mediocre talent than a guy that the coach has worked with and has the bulk of a season as a starter against which to judge.

Or he could be the next Chris Samuels....I would rather the skins go after either of the big 4.

You have a good argument if you are regarding Beatty or Britton, but you can't lose with one of the big 4.

[Moe]

Or he could be the next Chris Samuels....I would rather the skins go after either of the big 4.

You have a good argument if you are regarding Beatty or Britton, but you can't lose with one of the big 4.

That is assuming the one of the big four are still there...seems likely but certainly not guaranteed.
Ideally they will be able to get one of Smith or Oher and if so, you could still have signed one of Willis or Brown considering:
1)Jansen is in his last year
2) if any one of those guys is better than Heyer than you can release him easily
3) Brown and even Smith have experience/potential at OG and Thomas has seen his share of the knife in the past two seasons
4) you could have an in-house replacement for Samuels when he can't hack it/retires.

Forethought isn't a strong suit of this FO, but just saying you can't have too many good lineman.

[AliBabba]

Center is not a concern, first off, Buges loves Rabach, says he's the best center he ever coached. So really don't think of replacing Casey. But, the fact that Heyer and Jansen are going to compete, makes Elton Brown look pretty good.
Huh? I never saw Buges make such a statement and in addition, even though the word doesn't exist inside(outside,lol) the beltway, "depth" is kind of a major issue. In the case that All-Pro center Rabach were to go down, like the next time he lines up in front of Ratliff, we don't have much to count on right now. Geisinger, ha.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Center is not a concern, first off, Buges loves Rabach, says he's the best center he ever coached. So really don't think of replacing Casey. But, the fact that Heyer and Jansen are going to compete, makes Elton Brown look pretty good.

Have you seen Rabach play a 3-4?

[akhhorus]

Willis: Drek. Elton Brown: McDrek with cheese.

[mr shadow 008]

i know this is off topic but seein as i cant post threads yet the skins just signed a punter heres the link

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Sign_Veteran_Punter_Johnson_32748.jsp

[AliBabba]

i know this is off topic but seein as i cant post threads yet the skins just signed a punter heres the link

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Sign_Veteran_Punter_Johnson_32748.jsp
You could try this one http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=48410
lol

[mr shadow 008]

haha thanks i didnt even see it

[Jon Creveling]

When did he say that? I find it very weird considering.... Jeff... what's his name? Oh, right, Jeff Bostic!

LMAO,
Beware the M!

[dj_stouty]

Brown's best football was played at UVA. He was a first round prospect early on...but fell down to the 4th round in the draft for good reason. He is simply never in solid condition. He excelled at UVA due to decent rush blocking schemes. He always managed to get downfield quickly against ACC competition, but he can't keep up with the NFL talent.

He is a fat body that cant' be counted on to play all snaps; as evident by the Cardinals rotating him in and out of snaps/series in every game. The only time I saw him excelling during the playoffs was in goaline situations where he simply occupied space and let Hightower/Edge pop the ball to the outside.

And I'm not sure why he is listed at G/T, becuase he is no-where close to being agile enough to play the end of the line.

No thanks.

[AliBabba]

Brown's best football was played at UVA. He was a first round prospect early on...but fell down to the 4th round in the draft for good reason. He is simply never in solid condition. He excelled at UVA due to decent rush blocking schemes. He always managed to get downfield quickly against ACC competition, but he can't keep up with the NFL talent.

He is a fat body that cant' be counted on to play all snaps; as evident by the Cardinals rotating him in and out of snaps/series in every game. The only time I saw him excelling during the playoffs was in goaline situations where he simply occupied space and let Hightower/Edge pop the ball to the outside.

And I'm not sure why he is listed at G/T, becuase he is no-where close to being agile enough to play the end of the line.

No thanks.
If you passing on this Wahoo that's good enough for me .... next please

[shally]

Willis: Drek. Elton Brown: McDrek with cheese.


in willis' defense, he did start for seattle and seattle had committed to locklear, so willis was the odd man out

he has abetter body than brown and when he played at Fla State he was viewed as a bookend with alex barron.. so he has some potential.. the question is whether he has a better upside than heyer ?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Brown's best football was played at UVA. He was a first round prospect early on...but fell down to the 4th round in the draft for good reason. He is simply never in solid condition. He excelled at UVA due to decent rush blocking schemes. He always managed to get downfield quickly against ACC competition, but he can't keep up with the NFL talent.

He is a fat body that cant' be counted on to play all snaps; as evident by the Cardinals rotating him in and out of snaps/series in every game. The only time I saw him excelling during the playoffs was in goaline situations where he simply occupied space and let Hightower/Edge pop the ball to the outside.

And I'm not sure why he is listed at G/T, becuase he is no-where close to being agile enough to play the end of the line.

No thanks.

If you passing on this Wahoo that's good enough for me .... next please
LOL. Yep. I was waiting for Dj's word on Brown and he did give him the ok, so lets move on.....lol

[shally]

sign willis then...

but you have to wonder if buges and grimm spoke about brown ?

[Jon Creveling]

but you have to wonder if buges and grimm spoke about brown ?

Interesting, but it opens the door to this question. Why if Russ thinks highly of the guy have we not seen the Cards move to retain him?

I think if they pass on these guys and don't draft next month, they wait on Runyan..........................

[VegasSkinsFan]

Interesting, but it opens the door to this question. Why if Russ thinks highly of the guy have we not seen the Cards move to retain him?

I think if they pass on these guys and don't draft next month, they wait on Runyan..........................

*ring ring* " Hey Raleigh, what are you doing this fall? :smash:

[shally]

Interesting, but it opens the door to this question. Why if Russ thinks highly of the guy have we not seen the Cards move to retain him?

I think if they pass on these guys and don't draft next month, they wait on Runyan..........................


very reasonable question.. might come down to numbers.. they might have a number of second tier guys and figure he might slip through, whereas someone else wont ?

or he might want a chance to start somewhere.. same way Jason Brown did

[Jon Creveling]

*ring ring* " Hey Raleigh, what are you doing this fall? :smash:

LMAO! Lets make that call! No wait a minute! Raleigh is only 46 years old! Who is older and more experienced Raleigh or Ray??

Don't stop now! Talk Russ himself into a comeback!

[shally]

LMAO! Lets make that call! No wait a minute! Raleigh is only 46 years old! Who is older and more experienced Raleigh or Ray??

Don't stop now! Talk Russ himself into a comeback!

only a couple of months older than kendall and jansen... with better knees, probably

[VegasSkinsFan]

The interesting thing about Brown is that he has played TE also. He started 5 games at T when Levi Brown went down. He may not be perfect but he is young and can play a couple of places. He might make a nice jumbo TE in a goalline situation. Russ Grimm is quoted as saying that he is the smartest guy on the oline. Something to think about, and nice that he is only 26. GO SKINS !!!

[Jon Creveling]

very reasonable question.. might come down to numbers.. they might have a number of second tier guys and figure he might slip through, whereas someone else wont ?

or he might want a chance to start somewhere.. same way Jason Brown did

I know what you're saying and heck it just may be the case. This guy I remember his name atleast, the guy on the Hawks I've never heard of. It's not the players themselves , take for instance our man Fabs, I find it hard to complain about the player himself, it's the mindset above him that bothers me.

[shally]

The interesting thing about Brown is that he has played TE also. He started 5 games at T when Levi Brown went down. He may not be perfect but he is young and can play a couple of places. He might make a nice jumbo TE in a goalline situation. Russ Grimm is quoted as saying that he is the smartest guy on the oline. Something to think about, and nice that he is only 26. GO SKINS !!!

all good.. but he is a classic bad-body player..never has taken care of himself and has weight issues.. dockery sure got himself in shape. heyer has begun too. maybe brown can ??

[shally]

I know what you're saying and heck it just may be the case. This guy I remember his name atleast, the guy on the Hawks I've never heard of. It's not the players themselves , take for instance our man Fabs, I find it hard to complain about the player himself, it's the mindset above him that bothers me.
Fabs ?? you mean Fabini ? if so, he is gone and wont be back next year.. simply used up at his age..

[VegasSkinsFan]

all good.. but he is a classic bad-body player..never has taken care of himself and has weight issues.. dockery sure got himself in shape. heyer has begun too. maybe brown can ??

Report says that he lost 45 pounds, just cant remember how recent that was...but it was after Grimm put a weight-loss mandate into his coaching.

[Jon Creveling]

Fabs ?? you mean Fabini ? if so, he is gone and wont be back next year.. simply used up at his age..

Yes! But recall last year and we all thought he was camp-fodder then!

[shally]

Yes! But recall last year and we all thought he was camp-fodder then!

he was camp fooder.. only he made the team..sadly, we could have used the spot for a younger player

[Nomad]

The $20,000 question is how much does he want contract-wise?
If Snyder is really banking on no cap next year, then Thomas and Jansen would rapidly be shown the door. Would not be surprised to see either IRed.
I would greatly prefer to have draft picks, but we don't. Dockery, Brown, Rinehart learning at b-up. We could do way better, but way worse. Maybe Brown isn't a great RT, but if he is servicable over a few games, that is great flexibility as you work whoever we draft at RT in.
We need 3-4 OL starters, plus young back-ups, and have few picks, a reasonably priced but still young player would not be a bad way to go.
This signing, if Brown doesn't want insane numbers, is the type I favor.
But, of course, Brown is probably only visiting to try and obtain insane numbers. Why else would a player come to this goat rodeo?

[shally]

The $20,000 question is how much does he want contract-wise?
If Snyder is really banking on no cap next year, then Thomas and Jansen would rapidly be shown the door. Would not be surprised to see either IRed.
I would greatly prefer to have draft picks, but we don't. Dockery, Brown, Rinehart learning at b-up. We could do way better, but way worse. Maybe Brown isn't a great RT, but if he is servicable over a few games, that is great flexibility as you work whoever we draft at RT in.
We need 3-4 OL starters, plus young back-ups, and have few picks, a reasonably priced but still young player would not be a bad way to go.
This signing, if Brown doesn't want insane numbers, is the type I favor.
But, of course, Brown is probably only visiting to try and obtain insane numbers. Why else would a player come to this goat rodeo?

why ? because we are a team in the market for young reserve OL, who have a chance to become starters in time.. that is why willis and brown have visited.
unlike, jason brown, they dont have a history of starting and playing well over a season. nobody is going to open the vault for them.. but they have value.

i would guess we would sign either brown or willis based upon who made the better impression, and who is more eager to sign. if nothing else, it will give us more flexibility leading into the draft..

undoubtedly, they will purge themselves of a number of contracts in 2010 if it is uncapped..

[NCskinsfanatic]

why ? because we are a team in the market for young reserve OL, who have a chance to become starters in time.. that is why willis and brown have visited.
unlike, jason brown, they dont have a history of starting and playing well over a season. nobody is going to open the vault for them.. but they have value.

i would guess we would sign either brown or willis based upon who made the better impression, and who is more eager to sign. if nothing else, it will give us more flexibility leading into the draft..

undoubtedly, they will purge themselves of a number of contracts in 2010 if it is uncapped..

I'm all for Willis vs. Brown and Willis's wife is from this area(Eastern NC) so it would allow them to be much closer to family than in Seattle.

[shally]

I'm all for Willis vs. Brown and Willis's wife is from this area(Eastern NC) so it would allow them to be much closer to family than in Seattle.


she is supposed to be a very smart lady.. has a doctorate in something.. plus, maybe she could hook on with the government ?

it didnt sound as though they offerred him a deal, though.. maybe they were waiting for brown to come in to see whom they preferred ?

i am just hoping they make a play for one of these guys. it would reduce the chances of kendall signing and lower the pressure to draft someone from "Dire" to "Would be a very good Idea"

[Gravy]

she is supposed to be a very smart lady.. has a doctorate in something.. plus, maybe she could hook on with the government ?

it didnt sound as though they offerred him a deal, though.. maybe they were waiting for brown to come in to see whom they preferred ?

i am just hoping they make a play for one of these guys. it would reduce the chances of kendall signing and lower the pressure to draft someone from "Dire" to "Would be a very good Idea"

...that was a brief snippet on Willis...I wonder if that is good or bad?

[NCskinsfanatic]

she is supposed to be a very smart lady.. has a doctorate in something.. plus, maybe she could hook on with the government ?

it didnt sound as though they offerred him a deal, though.. maybe they were waiting for brown to come in to see whom they preferred ?

i am just hoping they make a play for one of these guys. it would reduce the chances of kendall signing and lower the pressure to draft someone from "Dire" to "Would be a very good Idea"

I agree shally, and you would think they wanted to compare willis to brown, no way I can see them signing both. I guess if theres no deal by tomorrow or over the weekend then they werent interested.

[ShaggySkins]

I think if they are able to sign either Brown or Willis it will be a great deal and will ultimately determine what they do with the 13th pick as well. If they can sign one of these guys it will likely eliminate OT as our pick and we'll hopefully go DE with the pick. If not I think Andre Smith will get a hard look.

[shally]

I think if they are able to sign either Brown or Willis it will be a great deal and will ultimately determine what they do with the 13th pick as well. If they can sign one of these guys it will likely eliminate OT as our pick and we'll hopefully go DE with the pick. If not I think Andre Smith will get a hard look.

that thought occurred to me as well. but i think it comes down to how brown or willis are viewed by the front office.. if they are viewed as being starter material either this year or next, it might indeed change the focus of the draft.

on the other hand, there is little doubt that smith is viewed as potentially and immediate starter, and possibly elite player.. nobody is touting brown or willis to be that.. so do you give up a player like smith, who was once considered a top 5 overall pick because of a free agent ?

i still think that LB is the greater need. but smith may be far the better player than any LB draft pick we can get .. IMHO, you take the better player if we stay at 13 and worry about LB later inthe draft, or with a free agent

[NCskinsfanatic]

that thought occurred to me as well. but i think it comes down to how brown or willis are viewed by the front office.. if they are viewed as being starter material either this year or next, it might indeed change the focus of the draft.

on the other hand, there is little doubt that smith is viewed as potentially and immediate starter, and possibly elite player.. nobody is touting brown or willis to be that.. so do you give up a player like smith, who was once considered a top 5 overall pick because of a free agent ?

i still think that LB is the greater need. but smith may be far the better player than any LB draft pick we can get .. IMHO, you take the better player if we stay at 13 and worry about LB later inthe draft, or with a free agent

I think you have to sign one of these guys, preferably Willis whether they're seen as the heir apparhent at RT or not. Simply because Jansen and Thomas may be gone next year and Willis can easily slide inside or stay outside at RT. Signing one of those guys gives us insurance and flexibility beyond just this season.

[Gravy]

that thought occurred to me as well. but i think it comes down to how brown or willis are viewed by the front office.. if they are viewed as being starter material either this year or next, it might indeed change the focus of the draft.

on the other hand, there is little doubt that smith is viewed as potentially and immediate starter, and possibly elite player.. nobody is touting brown or willis to be that.. so do you give up a player like smith, who was once considered a top 5 overall pick because of a free agent ?

i still think that LB is the greater need. but smith may be far the better player than any LB draft pick we can get .. IMHO, you take the better player if we stay at 13 and worry about LB later in the draft, or with a free agent

I think Smith still might go before 13...but if he doesn't, the Skins need to stay put and pick him...Smith would seem to be the safer pick at 13 than Okap(I forget how to spell the rest)...just maybe

[Tha Boss Hogg]

OT, when they post polls on Redskins.com do you think the team actually looks at them?? (serious question)

[CNYSkinFan]

OT, when they post polls on Redskins.com do you think the team actually looks at them?? (serious question)
sure right after vinnie hits refresh to vote again

[Redskinfan28]

Elton Brown is not very good - 5 starts in the last 3 years. Why waste money on him?

[Tha Boss Hogg]

sure right after vinnie hits refresh to vote again

I was being serious lol...

[sinskin]

I think LB is something we should look at first and formost right now... seeing as we signed Dock allready. RT in the draft for sure then next year you go for a big time center and guard 2nd round. We still dont have a marcus replacement!! Thats rather serious imo.

[VegasSkinsFan]

I think LB is something we should look at first and formost right now... seeing as we signed Dock allready. RT in the draft for sure then next year you go for a big time center and guard 2nd round. We still dont have a marcus replacement!! Thats rather serious imo.

LB is definately a need. If we want Crowell, they better hurry..he is visiting TB and they still have a ton of money freed up. I hope we lock up Fincher on the cheap also, showed a little promise last preseason and looked decent on teams in the regular season. GO SKINS !!!!

[Tha Boss Hogg]

LB is definately a need. If we want Crowell, they better hurry..he is visiting TB and they still have a ton of money freed up. I hope we lock up Fincher on the cheap also, showed a little promise last preseason and looked decent on teams in the regular season. GO SKINS !!!!

It appears as if we don't want him, I have an backup for them http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2595, Jamie Winborn is available and he had a solid year, I never hear his name brought up...

[VegasSkinsFan]

It appears as if we don't want him, I have an backup for them http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2595, Jamie Winborn is available and he had a solid year, I never hear his name brought up...

Yeah, it appears that way....with Fletcher making a push for him you thought he would have been signed already.

[Tha Boss Hogg]

Yeah, it appears that way....with Fletcher making a push for him you thought he would have been signed already.

What you think of Jamie??

[skinfan43]

It appears as if we don't want him, I have an backup for them http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2595, Jamie Winborn is available and he had a solid year, I never hear his name brought up...
I'll go one better IMO, Paris Lenon, a bright spot on Detroit's defense, local guy from Lynchburg, went to Richmond. 118 and 121 tackles in '07 & '08 respectively, his agent said a few teams are interested, hopefully we're one of them - here's his stats:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4243

[Tha Boss Hogg]

I'll go one better IMO, Paris Lenon, a bright spot on Detroit's defense, local guy from Lynchburg, went to Richmond. 118 and 121 tackles in '07 & '08 respectively, his agent said a few teams are interested, hopefully we're one of them - here's his stats:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4243

:sun:, Nice find, he would come back home for sure...

[VegasSkinsFan]

I cant remember seeing either of them play, the Lion is 31 though and Bronco is 29.....be nice to go younger but beggers cant be choosers. Just looked at the roster and noticed we only have 5 lbs listed. An area of big need. I do see us picking up someone after the draft, when the cuts come.

[skinsfan36]

It appears as if we don't want him, I have an backup for them http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2595, Jamie Winborn is available and he had a solid year, I never hear his name brought up...

i brought him up as a backup when he was released(you werent here yet) lol

[skinsfan36]

would love to here some updates on willis,brown and if we offered one or both contracts. redskins insider is awful lately so i guess we will have to wait on shefter

as for linebacker we need some bad. im hoping we address right tackle with one of these guys (i think that all the big four will be gone)would love to trade down for beatty or britton but idk if we will. we have a major need at slb. right now we have
fletcher-mlb starter rocky-wlb starter blades-mlb backup
then camp fodders
tyson smith(may have a shot morroco signed him)
matt sinclair(special teamer)
and that is it if the season started today we would barely have enough to activate.
i think we will bring back campbell(for being st beast) and maybe fincher. crowell doesnt look likely.we either sign someone like winborn and draft someone late or draft one in rd 1 or 3.
defensive end i think daniels comes back.and wilson,jackson will make the team. i think we finally draft one high!but if we dont do anything of worth we will have 3 needs and an idiot drafting for them with 2 picks in the first 100. ill feel alot better if we address 1 to 2 needs in free agency. even 3 and go bpa at dl/lb/ol in the draft.

[shally]

I'll go one better IMO, Paris Lenon, a bright spot on Detroit's defense, local guy from Lynchburg, went to Richmond. 118 and 121 tackles in '07 & '08 respectively, his agent said a few teams are interested, hopefully we're one of them - here's his stats:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4243

some of the posters on the lions sites were down on lenon. felt he was kind of like a bart scott player, but not as good.. very mouthy and demonstrative, but didnt back it up with results.

that said, nobody on the detroit defense was very good, so i would tend to take it with a grain of salt.. still, on balance i would prefer crowell

[Nomad]

why ? because we are a team in the market for young reserve OL, who have a chance to become starters in time.. that is why willis and brown have visited.
unlike, jason brown, they dont have a history of starting and playing well over a season. nobody is going to open the vault for them.. but they have value.

i would guess we would sign either brown or willis based upon who made the better impression, and who is more eager to sign. if nothing else, it will give us more flexibility leading into the draft..

undoubtedly, they will purge themselves of a number of contracts in 2010 if it is uncapped..

I'd like to think you are right, but I think most NFL players know the Skins have no real plan or direction, and a joke of a GM. They come here to get paid, period. We are a better option than the Lions, Raiders, etc., but that's about it. The treads on the "storied franchise" spheel are wearing quickly. Recent signings and fiascos like the Taylor trade make it pretty obvious that this isn't changing anytime soon. We have 1 legit DE, no depth at LB or starting SLB, and could easily draft 6 O-lineman if we had the picks and cap flexibility to cut dead weight. But we have 2 top-10 picks in our secondary, and just signed a CB with major character questions to a monster deal.

No team may be willing to open up the vault, but what player wouldn't visit here hoping Snyderatto will pay them far more than market value--as they do every other FA. Nobody may be willing to open the vault, but 10% more here is still 10% more here. Just ask Hall. I wish it were otherwise, but put yourself in Brown's shoes. He's on a SB team that is young and drafts well. Why come to a DC franchise that is not the definition of ineptitude, but certainly one of the definitions? Money, plain and simple. Lots of teams can offer a chance to start--in a FO structure that offers a chance to win.

The Taylor trade is exhibit A for why Vinny should be fired, and Snyder should be running an amusement park rather than a most-unamusing team. That pick should be our starting G or DE. Instead it was wasted, like at least a dozen similar picks, and here we are looking at Elton Browns. But the FO says it has learned its lesson with a straight face.

The bottom line is we don't have enough picks to fill needs, so must overpay for FAs, and bring in dinosaurs like Daniels.

Our needs:
4 DEs
SLB
2 LBs
G
B-up G
RT
B-up RT/LT
C starter/groomed for Rabach
WRs

Our picks: 4. And don't forget, we gave up a 6th the year after for Taylor also.

Good teams draft young reserve OL, and groom them. We try and sign them for 1-3 million per year more than a draft pick.