Another Member of the Old Band May be Back

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Per JLC, we want Pete "knock it down" Kendall to return. I am super pumped to see all the old guys consider returning to defend our last place finish in the division.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/kendall_mulling_options.html

[shally]

Per JLC, we want Pete "knock it down" Kendall to return. I am super pumped to see all the old guys consider returning to defend our last place finish in the division.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/kendall_mulling_options.html

we are going to easily be the oldest team in the nfl..

what does that mean ? lots of nagging injuries.. guys wearing down towards the last half of the year.. fewer younger guys coming up behind them.. poorer reserves.. less athletic players for special teams

if i didnt think otherwise, i would swear that snyderrato is loading up for a 1 year run, to try and save Vinny and Zorn's job.. followed by a monster pruning of the roster in the uncapped year where we dump lots of older players contracts..
since we should still have our draft picks next year (except for the #6 for taylor ?).. we will replenish the roster then..

so is the choice a decent 2009, followed by a terrible 2010 and a rebound in 2011 ???
as opposed to a crummy 2009, followed by an uncertain 2010, followed by a resurgent 2011 ???

yeah.. i know.. this idiotic front office cant see much beyond Friday of this week, much less years into the future..:devil2:

[joethefan]

maybe he can spend his whole offseason on how to fall on a fumble!!....LOL

[Patrick]

The 2009 Over the Hill (and Went) Gang..
Worked once

[Hr fan]

The 2009 Over the Hill (and Went) Gang..
Worked once

Then the players had no injury history (other than Mason), fit the scheme (not fitting is a dominant Snyderatto theme), and were in it for team as much as $. Now, we have to overpay to get anyone here - the team is composed of overage has beens as a consequence.

[CNYSkinFan]

i see nothing rong with signingalll the guys who caused our 8-8 debacle of a season. They may have been old last year...but they have an extra year of experience to help them this year. Sure most were sidelined with debillitating injuries but they had a year of rest and will be fresh and ready to get injured for us next year.

I see nothing wrong with this plan.

[NamVet4]

we are going to easily be the oldest team in the nfl..


yeah.. i know.. this idiotic front office cant see much beyond Friday of this week, much less years into the future..:devil2:

+1 . . . priceless!

[chrisbcbu]

I dont have an issue with Kendall coming back. He is basically coming as a backup. Plus he knows our scheme already, so no learning curve for him. Good depth if you ask me.

I still want to draft a OG/C in the 3rd round. I got my eye on Antoine Caldwell as a replacement for someone.

[dogfight6]

I find it refreshing to see an owner not discreminate against us old timers and to know that at 56 I still have a chance too play for a pro {cough}team. Wonder if Sonny and Pat Fisher are getting ready.

[SkinsGuru]

Of all the old guys being discussed, Kendall coming back for a year to be a backup is fine. He was, at least in the first have, one of our best if not our best lineman. Being a backup would be ok as he won't be expected to play 16 games. Do we really think Randy Thomas will make it though the whole year??

[firehawk157]

Don't we already have enough depth (assuming we pick up another tackle)? Rinehart, Heyer, Jansen, Geisinger. That's 9 OL. Why do we need another?

[Jon Creveling]

As much as I B&Moan about the o-line, Pete is a perfect match for Bugel. Theres no learning ( I realy mean Teaching!:)) required either in scheme or talent.

Agree he may very well have been one of our better linemen, even with the bum knees the guy moves better than Casey and Randy let a lone Jansen and Heyer on to second level, and in Caseys Randys and for certain Heyers cases much better push at the line!

I'd love to get younger but this combo of Vinny and Joe are not cutting it, please don't be taken by surprise when Jon Runyan comes in for a visit!:)


NOTE TO SHALLY! Sorry man I tried to frame you but it was me that sounded that early warning on a Wynn return!

[BurgundyNGold]

The 2009 Over the Hill (and Went) Gang..
Worked once
Well, almost, lol. :)

[BurgundyNGold]

I dont have an issue with Kendall coming back. He is basically coming as a backup. Plus he knows our scheme already, so no learning curve for him. Good depth if you ask me.

I still want to draft a OG/C in the 3rd round. I got my eye on Antoine Caldwell as a replacement for someone.
Great post. I agree 100%, except I don't see the Redskins going C/OG in the 3rd with starting RT, DE and OLB to fill still. We might want to cross our fingers that Caldwell is there in the 4th ... so that Vinny can then pass on Caldwell for another 5'-8" reach CB, lol.

[shally]

I dont have an issue with Kendall coming back. He is basically coming as a backup. Plus he knows our scheme already, so no learning curve for him. Good depth if you ask me.

I still want to draft a OG/C in the 3rd round. I got my eye on Antoine Caldwell as a replacement for someone.

someone young is going to get pushed off the team.. over the course of years, this is the reason why our o line gets ragged

[shally]

Don't we already have enough depth (assuming we pick up another tackle)? Rinehart, Heyer, Jansen, Geisinger. That's 9 OL. Why do we need another?

considering how much older guys get beaten up, we should petition the league for an extra roster spot

[ChiefPowhatan17]

He is going to cost too much to be sitting on the bench. He would be good depth, but Kendall doesn't see himself as a back up.

[SkinsGuru]

He is going to cost too much to be sitting on the bench. He would be good depth, but Kendall doesn't see himself as a back up.

Dockery is the starting LG, no question. That means that unless he is going to start over Randy Thomas at RG, if he signs here it will be to be a backup . . .

just curious . . . how much would we gain/loose cap wise if we release Randy Thomas and used Kedall as the RG for next year ???

[AliBabba]

Dockery is the starting LG, no question. That means that unless he is going to start over Randy Thomas at RG, if he signs here it will be to be a backup . . .

just curious . . . how much would we gain/loose cap wise if we release Randy Thomas and used Kedall as the RG for next year ???
Thomas just restructured the dead cap hit this year would make it impossible to sign even our draft picks

[akhhorus]

The 2009 Over the Hill (and Went) Gang..
Worked once

Now its the "Hip problems and colostomy bag gang."

[RedskinsDave]

I would have thought St. Louis would have gone after him to be a WR. Afterall, he won them as many games as they won themselves. Stupid Sox fan.

[shally]

I would have thought St. Louis would have gone after him to be a WR. Afterall, he won them as many games as they won themselves. Stupid Sox fan.

carolos rogers is giving him private lessons... or is it the other way around ??

[SkinsGuru]

Thomas just restructured the dead cap hit this year would make it impossible to sign even our draft picks

THANKS!!! Don't know how i missed that :)

[MONK_in_HOF]

I agree with ChrisCBU and BnG. I think Kendall, for the right price, is a very good option as a backup. While I am not in favor of assembling the oldest team in the league, aside from the one fumble recovery miscue I thought Kendall was one of our most consistent offensive players.

Even though this would obviously be another short-term move, as if the Snyder Skins have ever had a long-term plan, I think he can actually still play some unlike the other geriatrics rumored to be returning.

[shally]

I agree with ChrisCBU and BnG. I think Kendall, for the right price, is a very good option as a backup. While I am not in favor of assembling the oldest team in the league, aside from the one fumble recovery miscue I thought Kendall was one of our most consistent offensive players.

Even though this would obviously be another short-term move, as if the Snyder Skins have ever had a long-term plan, I think he can actually still play some unlike the other geriatrics rumored to be returning.

you never know how much a player is going to deteriorate from season to season.. some of them really hit the wall hard, and that is it.. or other guys like ray brown just keep trucking along year after year.. probably has a lot to do with how well the player takes care of his body all year long


i am not opposed to kendall specifically, it is just that the failure to develop any kind of young backup o linemen has been a problem since the end of gibbs1/bugel1.. we always were grooming some young guys then.. now ?
we get frustrated in someone like chad reinhart isnt ready his first year..
well, you know what, raleigh mackenzie, ed simmons, and ray brown werent ready their first years, either...

[Jon Creveling]

i am not opposed to kendall specifically, it is just that the failure to develop any kind of young backup o linemen has been a problem since the end of gibbs1/bugel1.. we always were grooming some young guys then.. now ?
we get frustrated in someone like chad reinhart isnt ready his first year..
well, you know what, raleigh mackenzie, ed simmons, and ray brown werent ready their first years, either...

If I recall correct Brown was up and running with the Cards his 1st year. Raleigh and Ed both had players of note in front of them so that's not a legit case as far as Rinehart goes.

Chad will have to wait on the next o-line coach.

[Battle Cat]

If a team never has any draft picks and a high number of the ones they do have don't work out past round 2 it is hard to get younger. Hence our problem at Redskins Park.

[MONK_in_HOF]

you never know how much a player is going to deteriorate from season to season.. some of them really hit the wall hard, and that is it.. or other guys like ray brown just keep trucking along year after year.. probably has a lot to do with how well the player takes care of his body all year long


i am not opposed to kendall specifically, it is just that the failure to develop any kind of young backup o linemen has been a problem since the end of gibbs1/bugel1.. we always were grooming some young guys then.. now ?
we get frustrated in someone like chad reinhart isnt ready his first year..
well, you know what, raleigh mackenzie, ed simmons, and ray brown werent ready their first years, either...

From what I remember being reported about Kendall is that he is a top notch professional and conditions himself well. I think I remember him saying something along the lines of he has to train harder than others if he wants to succeed due to being undersized.

If he hits the age wall then so be it, but I don't think his play tailed off as much as some other vets on the team last season. I am all for a youth movement on the lines, but since we neglect the lines in the draft we only ever seem to have UDFAs to groom. So based upon his play last year I would personally rather have Kendall as a backup, if it were at a reasonable price, than some unproven late rounder or UDFA.

[shally]

From what I remember being reported about Kendall is that he is a top notch professional and conditions himself well. I think I remember him saying something along the lines of he has to train harder than others if he wants to succeed due to being undersized.

If he hits the age wall then so be it, but I don't think his play tailed off as much as some other vets on the team last season. I am all for a youth movement on the lines, but since we neglect the lines in the draft we only ever seem to have UDFAs to groom. So based upon his play last year I would personally rather have Kendall as a backup, if it were at a reasonable price, than some unproven late rounder or UDFA.

again, i have no problems with kendall.. just with the overall process we use for linemen, and the age of the entire o line unit

[BurgundyNGold]

again, i have no problems with kendall.. just with the overall process we use for linemen, and the age of the entire o line unit
I don't even have a problem with age if they can perform. My problem is when they have money but still leave glaring holes at RT in favor of signing a 4th OG, lol.

[VegasSkinsFan]

I like Kendall. Also, since we are reforming the band...nice to see that Shaun Alexander has been to redskin park recently..ugh.

[CNYSkinFan]

I like Kendall. Also, since we are reforming the band...nice to see that Shaun Alexander has been to redskin park recently..ugh.
If we resign Keebler I think Keino may actually go postal at the park. Which would be kind of cool as it may get rid of danny and vinny, but keino would be in jail so thats not good.

Still...almost worth it to get rid of Danny and vinny...almost

[Meatsnack]

What gets lost in the ocean of suck is that while Kendall was not a noticible detriment last season, that is only because of white-hot, glaring problems around him. Pete doesn't practice on the day coaches install game plans, which means he is a beat off coordinating with Samuels and Rabach. Pete can't pull anymore and isn't limber enough to reach and cut block. This cuts down on what Bugel/Zorn like to do scheme-wise and limits play calling.

So, was he a total loss like Jansen or Rabach or a shadow of his former self like Thomas? No. But he is limited and has to be planned around rather than for. So, if he returns as a back-up, fine. Kendall is nothing better than a servicable pro these days and while that looks pretty good by comparison to some of his linemates, he is not a part of the solution he is part of the problem.

[skinfan43]

This thread reminds me... it is kind of freeing for me to have ZERO expectations for this team. Not negative expectations, just none in particular. Well, freeing is the new apathy i suppose. Although i am not totally apathetic - i would love them to change MY attitude... just that i will not do that for THEM right now.
But catch me before opening day, i'll probably be excited, lol... whether it be purely for football beginning again or my Skins, i can't tell you bacause i have no idea. I have a feeling i'm not alone on this one...

[shally]

What gets lost in the ocean of suck is that while Kendall was not a noticible detriment last season, that is only because of white-hot, glaring problems around him. Pete doesn't practice on the day coaches install game plans, which means he is a beat off coordinating with Samuels and Rabach. Pete can't pull anymore and isn't limber enough to reach and cut block. This cuts down on what Bugel/Zorn like to do scheme-wise and limits play calling.

So, was he a total loss like Jansen or Rabach or a shadow of his former self like Thomas? No. But he is limited and has to be planned around rather than for. So, if he returns as a back-up, fine. Kendall is nothing better than a servicable pro these days and while that looks pretty good by comparison to some of his linemates, he is not a part of the solution he is part of the problem.


+1

[NCskinsfanatic]

Keebler better not be brought back, Kendall would be fine as a 1-2 year backup at G/C but I agreee with previous posters in the fact that he's limited in what he can do at this point.

[MONK_in_HOF]

again, i have no problems with kendall.. just with the overall process we use for linemen, and the age of the entire o line unit

I'm not sure if there is a Skins fan out there who agrees with how the FO builds the lines, or the rest of the team for that matter.

[shally]

I'm not sure if there is a Skins fan out there who agrees with how the FO builds the lines, or the rest of the team for that matter.

ask again after the next playoff appearance.. that is the problem. we have had just enough success sporadically to keep the pitchfork and tar crowd under control

[MONK_in_HOF]

ask again after the next playoff appearance.. that is the problem. we have had just enough success sporadically to keep the pitchfork and tar crowd under control

Even when the team was scraping its way into the playoffs it was still hard to find fans who agreed with the team building methods. The problem is the only say the fan has that Snyder gives a squat about comes from their wallet. Apparently not enough wallets have stopped talking to change Snyder's short-term strategy and impetuous ways.

[esmith1790]

again, i have no problems with kendall.. just with the overall process we use for linemen, and the age of the entire o line unit


the rotate and keep them fresh approach, play Kendall and Randy every other game. Keeps them fresh, and also keeps them in game shape. Raggety old knees can be sore coming in off the bench. LOL

So it is like having 2 weeks to get healed for the next game.

can do the same thing with Heyer and Jansen at RT. This way the defenses dont know whom to prepare for each week.


Just flip a coin to see who pays the even weeks and who plays the odd weeks.

:Peace:

[sinskin]

Kendall as a backup is phenomenal!! Won't miss a step if one of the guards falls to injury. Jansen as a backup to our first round RT or Samuals is completely fine with me. Gessinger nice knowing ya!

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Let's see. We are thinking of bringing back Kendall, Washington, Daniels, and Wynn. If the FO brings back any of these washed up carcasses they are more incompetent than I dared imagine. The last game of the season where Kendall was abused by Justin Smith was everything I needed to know about him.
The Skins had one of the oldest teams in the NFL - we need to get younger. If the Skins can get Oher or Britton for a RT I say do it. Picking up a C/OG in the 5th wouldn't be bad idea either. About the only FA of any value to the Skins right now is Crowell, IMO. However, the Skins don't appear very aggressive in pursuing him.

[colkurtz]

I don't think Vinny has any confidence that he can draft well. It is forcing him to stay with the old players in the name of "continuity".

We need to draft for the future and get younger, not keep backups on the last legs of their careers. The second tier must be the next generation and cheap, not players who have one or two years left, if that.

Cerrato is gambling increasingly toward a one yer push toward the SB because he doesn't think he will have more than that for himself or Zorn.

[skinsfan36]

oh god,where is this awful news that keebler was at redskins park?

kendall probably wont resign with us until maybe even july. he wants to start

[firehawk157]

oh god,where is this awful news that keebler was at redskins park?

kendall probably wont resign with us until maybe even july. he wants to start
He'll probably wait until the post-draft FA period. If you don't get anything by mid-May, you shouldn't expect anything (until somebody goes down in training camp).

[Patrick]

Well, almost, lol. :)
LOL .... Your right ..... but it did get us to a Superbowl....... ;)