The Pro Day Thread

[JasonCampbell]

I figured instead of putting pro day info in the combine thread to just start a thread devoted to pro day stuff.

Aaron Maybin looks impressive:

http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/maybin_significantly_lowers_40.html

Gaining 25 pounds and lowering 40 time is impressive.

[AliBabba]

I figured instead of putting pro day info in the combine thread to just start a thread devoted to pro day stuff.

Aaron Maybin looks impressive:

http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/maybin_significantly_lowers_40.html

Gaining 25 pounds and lowering 40 time is impressive.
Sweet, how bout that bet Akh?

[akhhorus]

Sweet, how bout that bet Akh?

You're close to earning this title lol

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/ahab.jpg

And he didn't gain any significant weight from the combine(he was listed at 249 there) and no one believes pro day times(for good reason).

[AliBabba]

You're close to earning this title lol

And he didn't gain any significant weight from the combine(he was listed at 249 there) and no one believes pro day times(for good reason).
blah blah blah :)

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/18/ten-nfl-teams-at-mcneese-state-pro-day/

This is kid's a beast for a WR .... 21 reps of 225 for a guy who's 6-0 190!!

Lawrence had a strong workout with times of 4.42 and 4.43 seconds in the 40-yard dash, also bench pressing 225 pounds 21 times.

Lawrence, who’s listed at nearly 6-foot and weighs 190 pounds, reportedly ”caught the ball extremely well.”

Go get him Vinny!! ;)

[JasonCampbell]

Sexy pic

http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/medium_maybin_before_after.jpg

[akhhorus]

Sexy pic

http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/medium_maybin_before_after.jpg

Hmm... (http://hghlook.com/)

[silverspring]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/18/mack-in-focus-at-californias-pro-day/

Mack in focus at California’s pro day


Thirty teams had a total of 50 representatives at California’s pro day and there were six offensive line coaches on hand.

Those assistants showed up to watch center Alex Mack (6-foot-4 1/4, 307 pounds). He had a sensational workout in the position drills and ran a 5.17 and 5.23 in the 40, posted a 28 1/2-inch vertical jump, an 8-foot, 10-inch broad jump, a 4.75 short shuttle, a 7.31 three-cone drill and did 20 bench press reps

I think Alex Mack is a great option for us to trade down for. We might not desperately need a center now but we will need one soon.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/18/mack-in-focus-at-californias-pro-day/



I think Alex Mack is a great option for us to trade down for. We might not desperately need a center now but we will need one soon.
I would love it if we got Alex Mack. I'm a big Cal Bears fan, and number 51 is a guy I have seen play in person. He's a great Center, and I think he would be great for Portis and our rushing attack.

[shally]

I would love it if we got Alex Mack. I'm a big Cal Bears fan, and number 51 is a guy I have seen play in person. He's a great Center, and I think he would be great for Portis and our rushing attack.

could play guard as well..

[ClubSandwichGuy]

could play guard as well..
This is true, he would do good at both, but I think I would rather replace Rabach than Thomas.

[shally]

This is true, he would do good at both, but I think I would rather replace Rabach than Thomas.

rabach is healthy.. thomas ? uncertain

[skinsfan36]

what is everyones obsession with undersized project that is aaron maybin? when you have 4 picks and 3 major needs you cant take a risk like that. mack would be nice to get. i wouldnt be surpised to see him drafted around 20ish at this point

[AliBabba]

what is everyones obsession with undersized project that is aaron maybin? when you have 4 picks and 3 major needs you cant take a risk like that. mack would be nice to get. i wouldnt be surpised to see him drafted around 20ish at this point
6-4, 250 is undersized for an OLB? He's got the quickest first step of anybody and will be a double digit sack guy in the NFL

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I am starting to like what I see in Maybin. At the combine workouts, he puts all he has into everything. He is a grunter too. He yells as he runs. That's good for Defensive guys in the front 7 to be loud and intimidating.

I hope if we trade back that we target him. He might not be a #13 pick, so we need to get value, so trade back and get him in the late teens, if possible.

[Moe]

Hmm... (http://hghlook.com/)

No kidding. I mean that article says he gained 25 lbs. in two months and that doesn't raise some major red flags?

[akhhorus]

No kidding. I mean that article says he gained 25 lbs. in two months and that doesn't raise some major red flags?

Andre Smith did it, but that was mostly cheetos and beer lol. Gaining 25 lbs of muscle in 2 months..you might as well wear a Roger Clemens jersey to the draft.

[AliBabba]

Andre Smith did it, but that was mostly cheetos and beer lol. Gaining 25 lbs of muscle in 2 months..you might as well wear a Roger Clemens jersey to the draft.
....

[AliBabba]

I preface this saying I know this comparison is a bit of a stretch, but please humor me. Coming out in 2005 Justin Tuck was well known for his incredible first step, the same first step that's resulted in back-to-back double digit sack seasons in '07-08. Maybin's actually a more highly touted prospect right now than Tuck was and is also known for an incredible first step, so let's just compare their numbers:

Tuck
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=15932&draftyear=2005&genpos=DE
Height: 6-5
Weight: 265
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
40 Yrd Dash: 4.71

Maybin
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65825&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB
http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/maybin_significantly_lowers_40.html
Height: 6-4
Weight: 260 (according to NFL network)
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
40 Yrd Dash: 4.59

They say that Maybin's vertical jump is up to 40" as well and he ran the 10yd dash in under 1.5 which is extremely fast ...

[akhhorus]

I preface this saying I know this comparison is a bit of a stretch, but please humor me. Coming out in 2005 Justin Tuck was well known for his incredible first step, the same first step that's resulted in back-to-back double digit sack seasons in '07-08. Maybin's actually a more highly touted prospect right now than Tuck was and is also known for an incredible first step, so let's just compare their numbers:

Tuck
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=15932&draftyear=2005&genpos=DE
Height: 6-5
Weight: 265
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
40 Yrd Dash: 4.71

Maybin
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65825&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB
http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/maybin_significantly_lowers_40.html
Height: 6-4
Weight: 260 (according to NFL network)
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
40 Yrd Dash: 4.59

They say that Maybin's vertical jump is up to 40" as well and he ran the 10yd dash in under 1.5 which is extremely fast ...

*rubs my temples* Yes, they are similar physically, but they have two completely different games. Tuck is basically an undersized 2 gap DT who is very quick. He's at his best causing havoc inside because he knows how to use leverage. Maybin is an outside rusher who uses his speed to get around blockers. And he has access to a chinese pharmacy lol.

[flave1969]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/18/mack-in-focus-at-californias-pro-day/



I think Alex Mack is a great option for us to trade down for. We might not desperately need a center now but we will need one soon.

I bet we were one of the two teams not represented at the Pro Day. Why would we need an offensive lineman for?

[shally]

I bet we were one of the two teams not represented at the Pro Day. Why would we need an offensive lineman for?

that thought immediately occurred to me as well

maybe we are just trying to throw other teams off ?? (yeah, right.. that'll be the day)

[skinsfan36]

stafford had a great pro day by all reports

[Moe]

Andre Smith did it, but that was mostly cheetos and beer lol. Gaining 25 lbs of muscle in 2 months..you might as well wear a Roger Clemens jersey to the draft.

I thought I read that Smith, at 325 lbs. was under his playing weight last year? Maybe I'm wrong though.
PFT has some interesting info on the Maybin situation and how there is a fairly significant gap wherein these guys have the opportunity to 'enhance' (or party, fine line I guess) with little chance of being caught.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/19/a-quick-look-at-rookie-drug-testing/

[Moe]

stafford had a great pro day by all reports

He's the perfect type of player to wow scouts at something as safe (and apparently scripted) as a Pro day. It highlights all of his exceptional athletic abilities, while hiding the generally received flaws. Good for him for nailing it, and I think he has the potential to be a decent player (not if he goes to Detroit), but Pro days for QB's are only slightly more meaningful than 40 times for lineman or bench press reps for db's.

[RedskinRyan]

rabach is healthy.. thomas ? uncertain

Rabach had a horrible season last year. Consistently penalized as well.

[Gravy]

Wow...not much love for Nate Davis...

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/21/31-teams-pass-on-nate-davis-pro-day/

[shally]

Rabach had a horrible season last year. Consistently penalized as well.

part of the problem was the number of mammoth 3/4 NT's he had to face all year.. he is simply too small to handle those guys..

[lorimike]

I figured instead of putting pro day info in the combine thread to just start a thread devoted to pro day stuff.

Aaron Maybin looks impressive:

http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/maybin_significantly_lowers_40.html

Gaining 25 pounds and lowering 40 time is impressive.

Every dopy pundit says Maybin would be a good fit in 3-4. If I had a nickel for every time I heard a football pundit proclaim a player would be a good fit in a 3-4, I would be a rich man. Even some idiot on NFL Radio this morning said Julius Peppers would fit a 3-4 because he's as fast as most NFL defensive backs. Peppers combine time of 4.8 would be slower than a sun dial for a defensive back. But back to Maybin. I've seen every game he played at Penn State and he lined up mostly at RDE in a traditional 4-3 not a 3-4. My point being that Maybin is a fit for a 4-3 but perhaps not so much in a 3-4 because he never dropped in coverage in his brief college career.

[lorimike]

I preface this saying I know this comparison is a bit of a stretch, but please humor me. Coming out in 2005 Justin Tuck was well known for his incredible first step, the same first step that's resulted in back-to-back double digit sack seasons in '07-08. Maybin's actually a more highly touted prospect right now than Tuck was and is also known for an incredible first step, so let's just compare their numbers:

Tuck
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=15932&draftyear=2005&genpos=DE
Height: 6-5
Weight: 265
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
40 Yrd Dash: 4.71

Maybin
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65825&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB
http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/maybin_significantly_lowers_40.html
Height: 6-4
Weight: 260 (according to NFL network)
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
40 Yrd Dash: 4.59

They say that Maybin's vertical jump is up to 40" as well and he ran the 10yd dash in under 1.5 which is extremely fast ...

You have Maybin at 4.59 but on nfl.com his pro day times was 4.71 and 4.64. His combine time 4.88

[akhhorus]

Every dopy pundit says Maybin would be a good fit in 3-4. If I had a nickel for every time I heard a football pundit proclaim a player would be a good fit in a 3-4, I would be a rich man. Even some idiot on NFL Radio this morning said Julius Peppers would fit a 3-4 because he's as fast as most NFL defensive backs. Peppers combine time of 4.8 would be slower than a sun dial for a defensive back. But back to Maybin. I've seen every game he played at Penn State and he lined up mostly at RDE in a traditional 4-3 not a 3-4. My point being that Maybin is a fit for a 4-3 but perhaps not so much in a 3-4 because he never dropped in coverage in his brief college career.

Your logic here makes no sense. The vast majority of pundits and league sources don't think that Peppers in a 3-4 makes any sense since he can't cover. Maybin was a 4-3 DE in college, but he(and Orakpo, Everette Brown, etc) all project as 3-4 rush Lbs.

[shally]

Your logic here makes no sense. The vast majority of pundits and league sources don't think that Peppers in a 3-4 makes any sense since he can't cover. Maybin was a 4-3 DE in college, but he(and Orakpo, Everette Brown, etc) all project as 3-4 rush Lbs.

the thing is, those guys seldom do much playing coverage while in college, so they are projection risks moving to a 4/3 SLB position

[lorimike]

Your logic here makes no sense. The vast majority of pundits and league sources don't think that Peppers in a 3-4 makes any sense since he can't cover. Maybin was a 4-3 DE in college, but he(and Orakpo, Everette Brown, etc) all project as 3-4 rush Lbs.<<

I was repeating what a commentator said on NFL radio regarding Peppers. How do players who were defensive ends in a 4-3 in college project to OLB in a 3-4 in the pros? I don't think that makes any sense. I watched Maybin for the last two years in college. He never was dropping back in coverage. My point is the whole pundit cliche that a player would be better suited for a 3-4 gets a little old.

[shally]

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I was repeating what a commentator said on NFL radio regarding Peppers. How do players who were defensive ends in a 4-3 in college project to OLB in a 3-4 in the pros? I don't think that makes any sense. I watched Maybin for the last two years in college. He never was dropping back in coverage. My point is the whole pundit cliche that a player would be better suited for a 3-4 gets a little old.


if he cant drop, we wont be selecting him.. we arent in the market for a developmental pass rushing DE.. we already have 3 of that type on the roster
in jackson/buzbee/wilson.. only if maybin is going to be a complete DE do we even think about him.. and no one has been talking about his run stopping ability.

pass on him

[akhhorus]

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I was repeating what a commentator said on NFL radio regarding Peppers. How do players who were defensive ends in a 4-3 in college project to OLB in a 3-4 in the pros? I don't think that makes any sense. I watched Maybin for the last two years in college. He never was dropping back in coverage. My point is the whole pundit cliche that a player would be better suited for a 3-4 gets a little old.

If he's played as a pure rush Lb-like Dallas does with Ware or Merriman, Harrison, Suggs, etc etc-he doesn't have to cover(except for flats on zone blitzes once in awhile). Despite his chemically fueled weight gain, he doesn't look thick enough to handle an NFL LT--and he's not fast/quick enough to out maneuver one either.

[lorimike]

If he's played as a pure rush Lb-like Dallas does with Ware or Merriman, Harrison, Suggs, etc etc-he doesn't have to cover(except for flats on zone blitzes once in awhile). Despite his chemically fueled weight gain, he doesn't look thick enough to handle an NFL LT--and he's not fast/quick enough to out maneuver one either.


Maybin would be waste if used in the traditional form of a linebacker. He had 12 sacks and 20 tackles for loss and gave just about everyone he faced all they could handle wether it was a pass play or a rush play as a right defensive end. Had Maurice Evans not been suspended 3 games for marijuana, then Maybin would not have started, but once he got in there, he made the most of the opportunity. The question is can he stand up to the rigors of the NFL as a 252 lbs defensive end.

[akhhorus]

Maybin would be waste if used in the traditional form of a linebacker.

In a 4-3, I agree.

He had 12 sacks and 20 tackles for loss and gave just about everyone he faced all they could handle wether it was a pass play or a rush play as a right defensive end.

Meh. The list of cfb players who were dominating in school but couldn't translate it to the NFL is too long to list.

Had Maurice Evans not been suspended 3 games for marijuana, then Maybin would not have started, but once he got in there, he made the most of the opportunity. The question is can he stand up to the rigors of the NFL as a 252 lbs defensive end.

Thats exactly the problem. He's not as fast/quick as guys like Freeney or Robert Mathis, and he's significantly smaller than undersized DEs like Trent Cole(who's 270 lbs). A 330 lbs OT will steamroll Maybin and they'll run at him every down.

[lorimike]

In a 4-3, I agree.



Meh. The list of cfb players who were dominating in school but couldn't translate it to the NFL is too long to list.



Thats exactly the problem. He's not as fast/quick as guys like Freeney or Robert Mathis, and he's significantly smaller than undersized DEs like Trent Cole(who's 270 lbs). A 330 lbs OT will steamroll Maybin and they'll run at him every down.

You're probably right. We could find an excuse to not take a defensive end with a high draft pick as long as snyderatto are around. Maybin is intriguing to me- boom or bust type player. I like the a trade down scenario where we get Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech and pick up a 2nd rounder we could use on a Right Tackle ( Loadholt from Oklahoma would be my choice)

[fent]

You're probably right. We could find an excuse to not take a defensive end with a high draft pick as long as snyderatto are around. Maybin is intriguing to me- boom or bust type player. I like the a trade down scenario where we get Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech and pick up a 2nd rounder we could use on a Right Tackle ( Loadholt from Oklahoma would be my choice)

honestly, boom or bust isn't what this team needs right now. and with his recent, rapid weight gain i lean heavily toward the bust end of things barring the NFL suddenly turning a blind eye to PEDs.

and loadholt may very well be there when we pick in the 3rd. he has bad footwork and is more of a project than a quick upgrade at the spot. if we trade back and pick up a 2nd, i would hope we wouldn't use it on a player that will likely be there when we already have a pick a round later.

[lorimike]

honestly, boom or bust isn't what this team needs right now. and with his recent, rapid weight gain i lean heavily toward the bust end of things barring the NFL suddenly turning a blind eye to PEDs.

and loadholt may very well be there when we pick in the 3rd. he has bad footwork and is more of a project than a quick upgrade at the spot. if we trade back and pick up a 2nd, i would hope we wouldn't use it on a player that will likely be there when we already have a pick a round later.

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What do you think of Jarron Gilbert. 6-5 288 lbs. 9.5 sacks last year. Can play LDE on run downs and DT on passing downs. Could be there in a trade down scenario at the bottom of round 1 or top of round 2.

[fent]

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What do you think of Jarron Gilbert. 6-5 288 lbs. 9.5 sacks last year. Can play LDE on run downs and DT on passing downs. Could be there in a trade down scenario at the bottom of round 1 or top of round 2.

i haven't seen any tape of him, so i can't say i have a firm opinion on him, but he intrigues me. he's very athletic and quick, especially for his size. and he can do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXDSPbZ_OUw

[akhhorus]

You're probably right. We could find an excuse to not take a defensive end with a high draft pick as long as snyderatto are around. Maybin is intriguing to me- boom or bust type player. I like the a trade down scenario where we get Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech and pick up a 2nd rounder we could use on a Right Tackle ( Loadholt from Oklahoma would be my choice)

The skins have their excuse not to take a DE: Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels. Maybin has too many red flags. Especially his mysterious weight gain.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

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What do you think of Jarron Gilbert. 6-5 288 lbs. 9.5 sacks last year. Can play LDE on run downs and DT on passing downs. Could be there in a trade down scenario at the bottom of round 1 or top of round 2.
I'll jump in here and say I like Gilbert but in the 3rd. He is an athletic freak but only has one year of big production. Some mocks have him going in the 1st which is way over-reaching for him IMO.

[shally]

The skins have their excuse not to take a DE: Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels. Maybin has too many red flags. Especially his mysterious weight gain.

i think the signing of both daniels and wynn (PD will eventually happen) is exactly that- a signal we are not going to take a DE

[skinsfan36]

i think the signing of both daniels and wynn (PD will eventually happen) is exactly that- a signal we are not going to take a DE

yeah i agree but still hoping for one like sidbury or even evans or shagnessy late

[shally]

yeah i agree but still hoping for one like sidbury or even evans or shagnessy late


sure.. if we end up with 6 picks, i would expect one to be used on another player like jackson at the end

also, we will once again sign 8-10 UDCFA after the draft.. maybe morocco can come up with a gem or 2 ??