The Official Jay Cutler Thread - Trade Rumors *MERGED*

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

is there anyway that snyder hires shanahan as redskins OC,and brings him along to coach with zorn?does anybody else think that a situation like that would not be very well for the skins?i think cutler will be a redskin cause that is the big rumor on espn,nfl network,comcast.they were right about haynesworth,there has to be fire if there is smoke does'nt it?

[akhhorus]

If I'm Zorn, I resign in protest if that happens. Shanny would clearly be the coach in 2010 unless Zorn won the super bowl.

[NCskinsfanatic]

If I'm Zorn, I resign in protest if that happens. Shanny would clearly be the coach in 2010 unless Zorn won the super bowl.

I agree...if Zorn didnt then he's a fool. The only other possibility would be if Shanny were to replace Vinny as defacto GM in 2010 but that's a stretch since Vinny is Dans man whore lol.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

If I'm Zorn, I resign in protest if that happens. Shanny would clearly be the coach in 2010 unless Zorn won the super bowl.

i would think if snyder hired him and he helped us be a better team,zorn would go for it.shannahan was a great OC before he ever coached.

[akhhorus]

i would think if snyder hired him and he helped us be a better team,zorn would go for it.shannahan was a great OC before he ever coached.

Yes, Shanny is a good OC, but he's a long time head coach who could have gotten any head coaching gig he wanted this offseason, and is the top coaching candidate for any new openings. Why would he take an OC gig unless he's been promised the head coaching gig by Danny? And why would Zorn tolerate having an successful head coach who wants to be the top dog again as his OC when he doesn't have a strong hold on his job?

[NCskinsfanatic]

i would think if snyder hired him and he helped us be a better team,zorn would go for it.shannahan was a great OC before he ever coached.

shanny wont be an OC...he'll be a HC, a GM or some combo of both imo.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

what if snyder offered him 5 million for 1 year as skins oc and quarterback coach?he could still leave at the end of the season then to coach elsewhere could'nt he?

[akhhorus]

what if snyder offered him 5 million for 1 year as skins oc and quarterback coach?he could still leave at the end of the season then to coach elsewhere could'nt he?

Paying your OC almost twice what the head coach is making just creates the same locker room problems.

[shally]

if cutler is here in 2009, shanahan will be here no later than 2010

if zorn resigns, he doesnt get the remainder of his contract... better to get forced out..

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

that's why i think cutler will end up in dc!
i think snyder is convinced that he made a mistake
with zorn,and shanny and vinnie are good friends.
maybe he could stop some of the idiotic moves snyderatto
are famous for.(lol)

[lorimike]

that's why i think cutler will end up in dc!
i think snyder is convinced that he made a mistake
with zorn,and shanny and vinnie are good friends.
maybe he could stop some of the idiotic moves snyderatto
are famous for.(lol)<<

And 3 years from now we'll be going for some other recycled coach. We can go 8-8 with or without Mike Shanahan.
I wish Snyder and Vinny would look in the mirror once in a while

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

when you are arrogant and rich,most of the time you get what you want
regardless.snyder fits that mold perfect!!!

[akhhorus]

Kill me.

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html?wprss=redskinsinsider)

The Washington Redskins are actively pursuing a trade for disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler tonight, according to NFL sources.

One source said the Redskins are trying to complete the deal as quickly as possible

[Gravy]

Kill me.

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html?wprss=redskinsinsider)

...something very Nick Saban about this...

[LATrueRedskin]

Lord help us all...

[Keino]

They make it really hard to be a fan.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

My only small hope is that this is an April Fool's joke...

[akhhorus]

Lord help us all...

I've tried calling Satan to see what he can do, but he has a full plate with the Jonas Brothers complaining about their contracts.

[LATrueRedskin]

They make it really hard to be a fan.

You know, they really do. I shudder to think what they are about to trade away for him.

[greatest2]

crap....

this has to be one of the worst eras to be a skins fan.


i can't believe we are going through this crap, as fans we deserve better then this. it ain't like we aren't paying like arizona fans, or bills fans. we are one of the richest sports franchises in the entire world, and constantly sell out our stadium.

this is ludicrous....

end rant...

[LATrueRedskin]

I've tried calling Satan to see what he can do, but he has a full plate with the Jonas Brothers complaining about their contracts.

lol he's standing next to his secretary giving the "I'm not here" motion.

[akhhorus]

lol he's standing next to his secretary giving the "I'm not here" motion.

Transcript of the FBI wiretap of Satan's phone follows:
Akh: Yo
Satan: Hey Buddy
Akh: Need another favor
Satan: Name it
Akh: Redskins...Snyder...make something happen here. Get us a new owner, preferably someone good.
Satan: I'd love to help, but Danny took out extra insurance with me. I'll have legal look for a loophole, but no promises.
Akh: ***CENSORED By DJ***. Alright. We need to talk about the thing with the thing in Belgium this weekend..
Satan: Sure, shoot me a text.

[LATrueRedskin]

Transcript of the FBI wiretap of Satan's phone follows:
Akh: Yo
Satan: Hey Buddy
Akh: Need another favor
Satan: Name it
Akh: Redskins...Snyder...make something happen here. Get us a new owner, preferably someone good.
Satan: I'd love to help, but Danny took out extra insurance with me. I'll have legal look for a loophole, but no promises.
Akh: ***CENSORED By DJ***. Alright. We need to talk about the thing with the thing in Belgium this weekend..
Satan: Sure, shoot me a text.

lol

Another thing I just learned: Vinny Cerrato is nowhere near being in charge of personnel.

[shally]

let me be the one alternative voice here... anything they can do to improve the team, i am all for

they still need to fix the o line.. that is a given

[lorimike]

let me be the one alternative voice here... anything they can do to improve the team, i am all for

they still need to fix the o line.. that is a given<<

I would not disagree that Cutler might be an upgrade over Campbell. But if you make this trade there is no hope of upgrading some other positions. Cutler won't look so good when he's on his back.

[skins4life24]

My only small hope is that this is an April Fool's joke...

we aren't that lucky as fans

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Even going to Shanahan, a future HoF head coach and a two time superbowl champion, and offering him a job as an offensive coordinator would be an insulting. Never going to happen. If Shanahan comes here is it as a Head Coach and nothing less.

[whitskins]

Jesus, at least wait to hear what the proposed deal is before declaring it the freaking Apocalypse of the team.

Cutler is a better QB than Jason. I really like Jason as a person, but Cutler is an upgrade. And I'm in favor of any move we can make to get the team, and in particular this crappy offense, better.

[BurnEm 26]

Do it Vinny. Draft day at Fed Ex may be canceled with 0 picks but I'll get over it. Cutler can find receivers not named Santana beyond 10 yards. Bottom line, to not pull the trigger on Cutler while we have a chance is because you really believe JC is the guy. Maybe he's the guy but I'm not sold. You committed 40+ million to Haynesworth so it's too late to blow the team up now. Might as well do this.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Do it Vinny. Draft day at Fed Ex may be canceled but I'll get over it. Cutler can find receivers not named Santana beyond 10 yards. Bottom line, to not pull the trigger on Cutler while we have a chance is because you really believe JC is the guy. Maybe he's the guy but I'm not sold. You committed 40+ million to Haynesworth so it's too late to blow the team up now. Might as well do this.
You aren't sold on Campbell, I'm not sold on Cutler. Note that you only get Cutler in this trade, and not Denver's o-line, wide receivers, and the luxury of playing the Chiefs and the Raiders twice each.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

let me be the one alternative voice here... anything they can do to improve the team, i am all for

they still need to fix the o line.. that is a given
Cutler will not improve the Skins to a contender. Too many holes for that.

I had this sinking feeling in my stomach that the Skins were pursuing but I was hoping it was just a feeling.

[Shawnb555]

Campbell for a second.....Tampa??? i think this will be done tonight


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html?wprss=redskinsinsider

[akhhorus]

Campbell for a second.....Tampa??? i think this will be done tonight


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html?wprss=redskinsinsider

If we're dealing Campbell, we're drafting Sanchez/Freeman or trading our first for Cutler.

[BurnEm 26]

You aren't sold on Campbell, I'm not sold on Cutler. Note that you only get Cutler in this trade, and not Denver's o-line, wide receivers, and the luxury of playing the Chiefs and the Raiders twice each.

Ok, lets improve our RT and be the Bucs or the Jets. Cutler is 25 years old and he plays with fire. We can find an OT in the draft next year. Can we get a pro bowl caliber QB?

[akhhorus]

Ok, lets improve our RT and be the Bucs or the Jets. Cutler is 25 years old and he plays with fire. We can find an OT in the draft next year. Can we get a pro bowl caliber QB?

We're not getting Denver's oline, WRs or offensive coaches.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

I watched a Vandy/Tenn game a couple years back, ever since then I was sold on him and thought the Doncos got a steal at #12 or #13. I see they were trying to trade Campbell for a 2nd... Maybe they can do it for a couple of 2nds. I would be happy with that. Givin up Campbell and 13 just seems steep. But if they keep the 2nd while doing so, it wouldnt be a nightmare atleast.

[The Skinsinator]

If we're dealing Campbell, we're drafting Sanchez/Freeman or trading our first for Cutler.How the hell could any player really trust Snyderrato? Few weeks ago Vinny publically stated that Jason is the man. Then behind his back wants to trade him for a 2nd round pick. This front office is now not only inept but bordering on the lines of disgraceful.

[akhhorus]

How the hell could any player really trust Snyderrato? Few weeks ago Vinny publically stated that Jason is the man. Then behind his back wants to trade him for a 2nd round pick. This front office is now not only inept but bordering on the lines of disgraceful.

Why does anyone trust what Snyderatto says at all?

[BurnEm 26]

Cutler will not improve the Skins to a contender. Too many holes for that.

I had this sinking feeling in my stomach that the Skins were pursuing but I was hoping it was just a feeling.

SAM, RT, yes I know. I know Jansen and Heyer got trucked last year but there were a ton of plays where JC took a 7 step drop, did not step up in the pocket, and held onto the ball forever so he could complete a 5 yard pass.

[The Skinsinator]

Why does anyone trust what Snyderatto says at all?Campbell needs to build a backbone though. He is being pissed on by Snyderrato. I love the dude but he never has displayed the "it" factor and demanded total respect/accountability like the greats. Sad thing is if he isn't dealt he probably won't even care that he was lied to and shopped around for.

[AliBabba]

Can we please start 5 to 10 more Cutler threads? ;)

[akhhorus]

Can we please start 5 to 10 more Cutler threads? ;)

Have you seen this Vinny email jpeg joke?

This was a new story, deserves a new thread imo.

[Farmer Ted]

let me be the one alternative voice here... anything they can do to improve the team, i am all for

they still need to fix the o line.. that is a given

I'm all for it; we may suck with Cutler, but this could be like getting Sonny for Norm Snead. I don't care what picks we give up in the trade, it's just Malcolm Kelly and a bunch of stiffs we would've drafted all over again.

[AliBabba]

Campbell needs to build a backbone though. He is being pissed on by Snyderrato. I love the dude but he never has displayed the "it" factor and demanded total respect/accountability like the greats. Sad thing is if he isn't dealt he probably won't even care that he was lied to and shopped around for.
Good point let's encourage our QB to be more disgruntled

[akhhorus]

Campbell needs to build a backbone though. He is being pissed on by Snyderrato. I love the dude but he never has displayed the "it" factor and demanded total respect/accountability like the greats. Sad thing is if he isn't dealt he probably won't even care that he was lied to and shopped around for.

I don't think making a public fight over this is a good idea for Campbell. As long as his agent is fighting in private, thats fine imo.

[JasonCampbell]

This organization is a joke. After 10 years, Snyder still doesn't get it. Morons.

[AliBabba]

Have you seen this Vinny email jpeg joke?

This was a new story, deserves a new thread imo.
LOL no ... Gotta link you can post, email, text and PM?

[skins4life24]

Can we please start 5 to 10 more Cutler threads? ;)

that would just be excessive!

[The Skinsinator]

Good point let's encourage our QB to be more disgruntledHe hasn't acted disgruntled yet about anything including our offense's mediocrity. I want a fire-breather leader at qb. We got Dock back. The fo is not going to leave the rt position completely to dry I doubt. They will have some type of plan. With Cutler and a serviceable oline our offense would be much better. The kid flat out moves the ball with little running game/defense last season.

[BurnEm 26]

We're not getting Denver's oline, WRs or offensive coaches.

got me there. Man, I am tired of being a bottom feeder to the eagles, giants and pukes(barely). I am not confident JC could perform as good as Cutler in the Bronco's offense. Not sure if that has been brought up in any of these Cutler threads.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

This organization is a joke. After 10 years, Snyder still doesn't get it. Morons.
I have felt for several months we will never win a SB under Danny's fine ownership.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

franchise quarterback
when you look at things,the skins have'nt had a FQB since joe theismann
have they?though they were winners,i never thought of williams,rypien,
or any other qb to the present day as FQB.has anybody else?
heath shuler was supposed to be,but that worked out really well did'nt it?
if cutler comes here and has the career here that theisman did,i'll be happy.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I'm all for it; we may suck with Cutler, but this could be like getting Sonny for Norm Snead. I don't care what picks we give up in the trade, it's just Malcolm Kelly and a bunch of stiffs we would've drafted all over again.
Probably right. It will be something to look forward to. The rise or fall of Cutler, its a story at least.

[skins4life24]

He hasn't acted disgruntled yet about anything including our offense's mediocrity. I want a fire-breather leader at qb. We got Dock back. The fo is not going to leave the rt position completely to dry I doubt. They will have some type of plan. With Cutler and a serviceable oline our offense would be much better. The kid flat out moves the ball with little running game/defense last season.
FO . . . plan? I don't know about all this

[The Skinsinator]

FO . . . plan? I don't know about all thisThe problem with our inept fo is they never build enough depth especially on the lines. That's why Cutler, Haynseworth, Jason Taylor, hell anybody won't be enough. It's too long of a season and they'll wear out especially an old oline like ours. Getting a legitimate franchise qb like Cutler though is a step in the right direction though. Wonder what Mister Clinton Portis thinks about all this and Mr Moss????

[RedskinsDave]

He hasn't acted disgruntled yet about anything including our offense's mediocrity. I want a fire-breather leader at qb. We got Dock back. The fo is not going to leave the rt position completely to dry I doubt. They will have some type of plan. With Cutler and a serviceable oline our offense would be much better. The kid flat out moves the ball with little running game/defense last season.

Oh, are the WR's coming too? Cutler is as soft as butter inn August. Also, I am one of a very few poor souls who has been to Santa Claus Indiana. Nothing good comes from that place.

[LATrueRedskin]

Campbell needs to build a backbone though. He is being pissed on by Snyderrato. I love the dude but he never has displayed the "it" factor and demanded total respect/accountability like the greats. Sad thing is if he isn't dealt he probably won't even care that he was lied to and shopped around for.

I can't fault Campbell for being a professional. I'd rather him say all the right things instead of cry like a baby. I'm sure he's pissed right now about the situation, as he should be.

[BurnEm 26]

Oh, are the WR's coming too? Cutler is as soft as butter inn August. Also, I am one of a very few poor souls who has been to Santa Claus Indiana. Nothing good comes from that place.

I dont think JC would spot Marshall or Royal unless they wore 89.

[esmith1790]

I can't fault Campbell for being a professional. I'd rather him say all the right things instead of cry like a baby. I'm sure he's pissed right now about the situation, as he should be.

He can get pissed and ask for a trade also, just like cutler

not show up to the off-season workouts, stick it to ZORN and his offense.

(colt supporters love this theory)

:Peace:

[The Skinsinator]

Oh, are the WR's coming too? Cutler is as soft as butter inn August. Also, I am one of a very few poor souls who has been to Santa Claus Indiana. Nothing good comes from that place.Slap me silly but I have a hunch Thomas/Kelly will step up next season and help greatly. Kelly makes Randle El/Moss look like dwarfs and he is huge target for Cutler to throw bullets to. Everyone forgets they were just rooks and Kelly wasn't healthy. Know this is going out on a limb but I think both will help alot.

[LATrueRedskin]

He can get pissed and ask for a trade also, just like cutler

not show up to the off-season workouts, stick it to ZORN and his offense.

(colt supporters love this theory)

:Peace:


Yep. He sure can. Looks like Snyder is willing to take that risk.

[The Skinsinator]

He can get pissed and ask for a trade also, just like cutler

not show up to the off-season workouts, stick it to ZORN and his offense.

(colt supporters love this theory)

:Peace:Where does Zorn fit in all this? Does he really want Cutler or is probably all Snyder as being reported? If anyone should make this decision it should be Zorn himself. Campbell has always been a Gibbs' guy. If they are going to make Zorn the leader he ought to be able to choose his chief.

[RicFlairOne]

Kill me.

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html?wprss=redskinsinsider)


I say that JLC will come out tomorrow and say April Fool's Day! I think everyone is getting fired up over nothing. I say this link is the 2 Jason's playing a joke on Redskins Nation!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I can't fault Campbell for being a professional. I'd rather him say all the right things instead of cry like a baby. I'm sure he's pissed right now about the situation, as he should be.

I am concerned about how Cutler will be received by his teammates and the media here. Cooley has already called him a cry baby on his blog. Campbell is well liked.

The spotlight on the QB of the Washington Redskins is pretty intense. Cutler is a sensitive guy. He better be ready to handle it.

[LATrueRedskin]

Where does Zorn fit in all this? Does he really want Cutler or is probably all Snyder as being reported? If anyone should make this decision it should be Zorn himself. Campbell has always been a Gibbs' guy. If they are going to make Zorn the leader he ought to be able to choose his chief.

I'm sure Zorn has zero say in who we acquire.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

I say that JLC will come out tomorrow and say April Fool's Day! I think everyone is getting fired up over nothing. I say this link is the 2 Jason's playing a joke on Redskins Nation!
I pray you are correct.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

JC is the son of a coach.i can't ever see him acting like cutler did.
getting traded is something that all nfl players know they may have to deal with.it's the price of being paid a king's ransom to play.

[bigmike7914]

crap....

this has to be one of the worst eras to be a skins fan.


i can't believe we are going through this crap, as fans we deserve better then this. it ain't like we aren't paying like arizona fans, or bills fans. we are one of the richest sports franchises in the entire world, and constantly sell out our stadium.

this is ludicrous....

end rant...
When we lost to the Bengals I thought it could get no harder to be a Redskins fan than that then this news, if it is true why can't we just give JC a chance:moon1:

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Slap me silly but I have a hunch Thomas/Kelly will step up next season and help greatly. Kelly makes Randle El/Moss look like dwarfs and he is huge target for Cutler to throw bullets to. Everyone forgets they were just rooks and Kelly wasn't healthy. Know this is going out on a limb but I think both will help alot.

I hope. Their inadequate play had very little to do with Campbell. Kelly was injured. Davis was held out by Zorn, and Thomas was usually the fourth WR.

[esmith1790]

Where does Zorn fit in all this? Does he really want Cutler or is probably all Snyder as being reported? If anyone should make this decision it should be Zorn himself. Campbell has always been a Gibbs' guy. If they are going to make Zorn the leader he ought to be able to choose his chief.

i believe as a boys fan, zorn is set up to fail. If this goes down and cutler is the new QB and picks are given up, say (JC and #1) it will take time to gel on the offense.

IF Denver really wants a #1 pick, then the skins will have to go with day 2 guys to fill their needs, or get desperate and trade CR or something like that.



Next year when everyone is after Shanny, 'The CHIN', etc. what pressure will Danny have to get a new coach, if Zorn starts out slow?

Even if you can justify it, new QB, etc....

There is only 4 preseason games to get Cutler going versus 5 last year.

All that talk of the skins opening up the cowboys stadium in week 2 of the season sure would be tough.(talked about here in dallas radio nation)

Cant afford to lose division games when Zorn and Cutler are trying to get the offense going.

[Keino]

They really make it hard to be a fan. I am a little more that pissed at the way this franchise is being run and I intend to let the organization know about it.

[nicefellow31]

They really make it hard to be a fan. I am a little more that pissed at the way this franchise is being run and I intend to let the organization know about it.

The lack of a plan for this team is maddening.

[greatest2]

ok, i haven't really watched the broncos as much as the skins and campbell, but from the 3-5 games i saw from them last year i feel confident saying this about cutler....


he is fiery. a risk taker. throws darts. all great things.


but just cause he is fiery doesn't make him a good leader. im not sure he is a leader. i kinda like the risk taker, but will he be sensitive when some of those risks don't pan out? i love his velocity, they are darts that just get there. its amazing.


Now if ZOrn stays with cutler i think cutler is a bad fit. watch him throw, he drops the ball which was campbells problem before he really worked on it this year. I bet cutler doesn't change his motion, which is fine, but i don't think that fits the west coast offense.


Also, we are shopping for vet. min deals, how can we sign cutler long term? this is stupid. keep campbell, see what he has under this year with zorn. then move on.

[ryflan47]

It gets even tougher to be a skins fan. There's lots of speculation that if we sign Cutler, we'll actively pursue Shanahan through April / May. How's that for pissing off all parties involved?

Don't get me wrong, Shanahan is a proven coach. But really? The only thing I can equate this to is my Madden franchises where I try to win with the most ridiculous combinations every time because I'm bored. At least his heart's in it.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

We aren't one piece away and we never have been so long as Snyderrato has been running the show. Trading for Cutler just means giving up draft picks and it means years before we can patch up our holes and become a complete team. I'm sick of racking up a bunch of "studs" each offseason, just to watch as they underachieve and we are left with huge contracts and a team with no depth. Vinny and Danny need to cut the crap and build a team through the draft, the way it is meant to be done. At this point, we are desperate for an RT/SAM LB and we are not desperate for a QB. Trading for Cutler just guarantees us at least a few more years of mediocrity while we watch our team get older by the day, and we can't do anything about it because our retarded FO keeps trading away draft picks.

Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder are the most deluded individuals I have ever seen if they believe that this is a winning formula.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

We aren't one piece away and we never have been so long as Snyderrato has been running the show. Trading for Cutler just means giving up draft picks and it means years before we can patch up our holes and become a complete team. I'm sick of racking up a bunch of "studs" each offseason, just to watch as they underachieve and we are left with huge contracts and a team with no depth. Vinny and Danny need to cut the crap and build a team through the draft, the way it is meant to be done. At this point, we are desperate for an RT/SAM LB and we are not desperate for a QB. Trading for Cutler just guarantees us at least a few more years of mediocrity while we watch our team get older by the day, and we can't do anything about it because our retarded FO keeps trading away draft picks.

Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder are the most deluded individuals I have ever seen if they believe that this is a winning formula.
Making it ever more difficult to be a Skins fan. I'm just exhausted and my brain hurts.

[Chief Redskin]

Franchise QB's don't grow on trees.

Pair Cutler with the Redskins Defense and we are a dangerous team for many years down the road. Cutler is 13-1 in games the Broncos have given up 21 points or fewer.

Jay Cutler on the Redskins would be a serious coup.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Franchise QB's don't grow on trees.

Pair Cutler with the Redskins Defense and we are a dangerous team for many years down the road. Cutler is 13-1 in games the Broncos have given up 21 points or fewer.

Jay Cutler on the Redskins would be a serious coup.
Not with our Oline & WRs. Cutler wouldn't have near that support in D.C.

[akhhorus]

Franchise QB's don't grow on trees.

Pair Cutler with the Redskins Defense and we are a dangerous team for many years down the road. Cutler is 13-1 in games the Broncos have given up 21 points or fewer.

Jay Cutler on the Redskins would be a serious coup.

You do realize that we're not getting Denver's WRs, Oline or offensive coaches, right?

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Franchise QB's don't grow on trees.

Pair Cutler with the Redskins Defense and we are a dangerous team for many years down the road. Cutler is 13-1 in games the Broncos have given up 21 points or fewer.

Jay Cutler on the Redskins would be a serious coup.
It's just Cutler not the entire Denver offense. And, imo, the players Cutler was with helped Cutler more than Cutler helped the players.

[IndySkin]

Oh, are the WR's coming too? Cutler is as soft as butter inn August. Also, I am one of a very few poor souls who has been to Santa Claus Indiana. Nothing good comes from that place.

Well I'm one of the "very poor souls" that grew up in that area (10 miles from Santa Claus). There is nothing wrong with Southwestern Indiana. Actually its one of the most peaceful places to live in our great country.

There has been some pretty good things to come out of that area as well. Heritage Hills high school, where Cutler went to school, also produced Terry Brahm (1988 Olympic 5000 meter member) and non other than Ken Dilger. Just up the road we have Scott Rolen from Jasper. And just down the road we have Don Mattingly and Bob Griese from Evansville, and many more.

Southwestern Indiana is notorious for producing talent, so obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

Oh, Abraham Lincoln's mother is buried in Lincoln City which is a couple miles from Santa Claus, I guess that is pretty lame.

[esmith1790]

with KC, OAK, and SD(norv) in the divsion, Those stout defenses really held him in check, LOL



just wait until he gets to the NFCE. the DC, NY, PHIL media pressure with get to him.

[lorimike]

It gets even tougher to be a skins fan. There's lots of speculation that if we sign Cutler, we'll actively pursue Shanahan through April / May. How's that for pissing off all parties involved?

Don't get me wrong, Shanahan is a proven coach. But really? The only thing I can equate this to is my Madden franchises where I try to win with the most ridiculous combinations every time because I'm bored. At least his heart's in it.
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Shanahan was fired. He was 8-8. Jim Zorn was 8-8 but Shanahan had Jay Cutler and was in a weaker division. This implusiveness that we constantly exhibited has never gotton us any where. We brought back a hall of fame coach and we average in the two good years in the Gibb II era. At what point does Dan Snyder look in the mirror and see what the problem is?

[Shawnb555]

Cutler at any price outside of two firsts is a steal.....Campbell is a slightly faster Bryon Leftwich....this will finally make us even with the qb gods for what the front office did to Brad Johnson

[Skinzlover223]

So if everything was perfect around Jason Campbell then he will be an elite QB?

How did Big Ben do when his Oline broke down last season?

How did Tom Brady do before Wes Walker and Randy Moss came along?

I will concede that Cutler may not perform the same as he did in Denver in his first season with Redskins. However the reason people want him here is because a good franchise QB is hard to find, look at our last two QB's we drafted in the first round. If we can get one why not. How many teams will be knocking down our doors if we put JC on the trading block. Not too many and there is a reason for that. I'm sick of all the excuses to why if Campbell had ______ he would be a good QB. It may be time to admit he just doesn't have it, and the Redskins failed to draft another QB.

[Skinzlover223]

Cutler at any price outside of two firsts is a steal.....Campbell is a slightly faster Bryon Leftwich....this will finally make us even with the qb gods for what the front office did to Brad Johnson


Bryon Leftwich sure looked fast than Jason when he tore us a new one back in November. Jason Campbell didn't do very well that game, or too many games after that.

[akhhorus]

So if everything was perfect around Jason Campbell then he will be an elite QB?

How did Big Ben do when his Oline broke down last season?

How did Tom Brady do before Wes Walker and Randy Moss came along

Good to know your standard for QB play is Tom Brady or Big Ben. I'll be sure to point this out to you if/when you make excuses for Cutler.

I will concede that Cutler may not perform the same as he did in Denver in his first season with Redskins. However the reason people want him here is because a good franchise QB is hard to find, look at our last two QB's we drafted in the first round. If we can get one why not. How many teams will be knocking down our doors if we put JC on the trading block. Not too many and there is a reason for that. I'm sick of all the excuses to why if Campbell had ______ he would be a good QB. It may be time to admit he just doesn't have it, and the Redskins failed to draft another QB.

Pointing out that Campbell's oline and WRs sucked aren't excuses but facts, whether you like it or not. Unless Cutler's bringing his oline and WRs(and coaches) with him, you're not getting Jay Cutler from last year and nothing much is changing on offense. You're setting yourself up to be a hypocrite or disappointed. Take your pick.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

So if everything was perfect around Jason Campbell then he will be an elite QB?

How did Big Ben do when his Oline broke down last season?

How did Tom Brady do before Wes Walker and Randy Moss came along?

I will concede that Cutler may not perform the same as he did in Denver in his first season with Redskins. However the reason people want him here is because a good franchise QB is hard to find, look at our last two QB's we drafted in the first round. If we can get one why not. How many teams will be knocking down our doors if we put JC on the trading block. Not too many and there is a reason for that. I'm sick of all the excuses to why if Campbell had ______ he would be a good QB. It may be time to admit he just doesn't have it, and the Redskins failed to draft another QB.
I think you need to be reminded that Jay Cutler is not Tom Brady nor Ben Roethlisberger. Big difference.

[akhhorus]

Bryon Leftwich sure looked fast than Jason when he tore us a new one back in November. Jason Campbell didn't do very well that game, or too many games after that.

Gee, maybe that has to do with the injuries to the hall of fame left tackle. Since, you know, the running game fell apart also. Oh wait, thats Jason Campbell's fault, right?

[Ibleedburgundy]

I actually don't hate this scenario. Campbell is a class act. If this whole thing results in nothing, JC will play ball just as he would have otherwise. It might even motivate him.

Cutler is an improvement over Campbell. He could turn out to be a very good NFL QB for a long time. 4500 yards. Sure, he plays in Shanahan's offense. So did Clinton Portis.

I agree that this team is not 1 player away from contending, but Cutler is 25, he might have 7-10 good years left. This is not a short term move like the Jason Taylor trade was.

Agree with Whitskins, it all depends on what is involved in the trade. Say it's our 2009 first rounder and we can trade JC for a second, you'd have to be nuts not to pull the trigger on that. Chances are the Broncos are asking for more than that though.

QBs like Cutler don't grow on trees. When was the last time the Skins had a QB of that caliber?

[greatest2]

So if everything was perfect around Jason Campbell then he will be an elite QB?

How did Big Ben do when his Oline broke down last season?

How did Tom Brady do before Wes Walker and Randy Moss came along?

I will concede that Cutler may not perform the same as he did in Denver in his first season with Redskins. However the reason people want him here is because a good franchise QB is hard to find, look at our last two QB's we drafted in the first round. If we can get one why not. How many teams will be knocking down our doors if we put JC on the trading block. Not too many and there is a reason for that. I'm sick of all the excuses to why if Campbell had ______ he would be a good QB. It may be time to admit he just doesn't have it, and the Redskins failed to draft another QB.

cutler, like JC has a losing record as a starter. he has a better reciever and far better OC who he got to learn under.

You want JC to be on the same level with a wideout half the size of the other and often injured, a revolving door at OC?

with all that campbell had a QB rating last year 2 points behind Cutler. Cutler throw 18 picks to 25 touchdowns. He played the cheifs and raiders TWICE last year.

Come on, Cutler could/will come here and WILL have the same results as JC. Flat on his back, or forced throws to covered recievers who aren't running the right routes cause they have 4 playbooks jammed in there 5'5 heads.



give me a break. Cutler has so much more then JC.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

How did Tom Brady do before Wes Walker and Randy Moss came along?


Decent. I think.

[colkurtz]

Cutler is better than Collins; he may be better than JC in a fair and unbiased tryout.

It depends on the deal and what we trade for this QB. I'm not panicking until I see more of the fine print.

I thought it was crazy to bring in Collins who is in his last season ANYWHERE in the NFL [as a player].

We make the QB's fight it out and perhaps get a frachise QB for the the next 5 years. What's wrong with that?

[akhhorus]

Decent. I think.

Tom brady's most yards in any season before getting Moss and Welker: 4110
Tom Brady's yards with Moss/Welker: 4806
Tom Brady's most TD passes in any season before getting Moss/Welker: 28
Tom Brady's TD passes with Moss/Welker: 50
Tom Brady's highest season QB rating before getting Moss/Welker: 92.6
Tom Brady's Qb rating with Moss/Welker: 117.2

So, who you have at WR matters I guess.

[Skinzlover223]

Good to know your standard for QB play is Tom Brady or Big Ben. I'll be sure to point this out to you if/when you make excuses for Cutler.


Sorry just because I'm a Redskins fan doesn't mean I can't wish we had a great QB play. I suppose for Jason Campbell the standard should be Mark Brunnell, Todd Collins(Both Redskins Playoff QB's) and Trent Dilfer. Will that work for you?

[skinsfan36]

cutler>>>>>>>campbell imo. if we get cutler we will probably get shanny next year(hope he brings bates). im all for getting cutler on this team as long as we can still upgrade RT,SLB we atleast need to keep our 3rd rounder this year so we can draft say mckenzie

[Skinzlover223]

Tom brady's most yards in any season before getting Moss and Welker: 4110
Tom Brady's yards with Moss/Welker: 4806
Tom Brady's most TD passes in any season before getting Moss/Welker: 28
Tom Brady's TD passes with Moss/Welker: 50
Tom Brady's highest season QB rating before getting Moss/Welker: 92.6
Tom Brady's Qb rating with Moss/Welker: 117.2

So, who you have at WR matters I guess.

And the Superbowl Ring Stats?

[akhhorus]

Sorry just because I'm a Redskins fan doesn't mean I can't wish we had a great QB play. I suppose for Jason Campbell the standard should be Mark Brunnell, Todd Collins(Both Redskins Playoff QB's) and Trent Dilfer. Will that work for you?

No one said you can't wish for great play, but you're holding Campbell to a standard of Tom Brady and Big Ben. Thats so absurd, I don't know where to begin.

We get it. You don't like Campbell. Fine. Don't act like Cutler fixes the problems with this offense.

[greatest2]

Cutler is better than Collins; he may be better than JC in a fair and unbiased tryout.

It depends on the deal and what we trade for this QB. I'm not panicking until I see more of the fine print.

I thought it was crazy to bring in Collins who is in his last season ANYWHERE in the NFL [as a player].

We make the QB's fight it out and perhaps get a frachise QB for the the next 5 years. What's wrong with that?

any deal will require giving up campbell to the broncos, or to someone else for a draft pick.

If for some reason they keep campbell and go under your plan to let the 2 fight it out to find the franchise QB who would we trade for cutler (2 number 1's? cooley and landry?).

Not to mention cutler may cry about facing a challange, or want a new contract when he walks through the door like anyone else we get.


i doubt the situation you described occurs given what we would have to give up if we keep campbell and the delicate nature of the "cry baby"

[akhhorus]

And the Superbowl Ring Stats?

He didn't win with Moss/Welker, but he did go undefeated in the regular season with them. And don't try to claim that the Super Bowl ring is the metric, you clearly didn't mean that when you posted.

[Shawnb555]

I love the drama this team brings.....wonder what Seahawks,Texans, Bills(minus to) and other nonactive teams fans do all off season

[AliBabba]

If we end up with the same number of picks this year and no more than one less pick next year I think it's a fine deal. As I've said before regardless of the pieces around them I think Cutler's upside is much more than Campbell's.

The way this has been handled is embarrassing as is just about everything our FO does. However, as IBB said, if the deal doesn't happen I can see Campbell brushing it off and just continuing to go about his business.

Anybody - especially Snyderatto - that expects this deal to get us over the top is delusional though. Whether we have a 1st and a 3rd in April or a 2nd and 3rd we are going to have to make two stellar selections to have a hope of competing next year regardless of which JC lines up under center

[Skinzlover223]

No one said you can't wish for great play, but you're holding Campbell to a standard of Tom Brady and Big Ben. Thats so absurd, I don't know where to begin.

We get it. You don't like Campbell. Fine. Don't act like Cutler fixes the problems with this offense.

Never said it was going to fix the problem. Maybe that's where you are getting me wrong. It's going to fix one problem, poor QB play. Cutler WILL NOT FIX OUR OFFENSE PROBLEM!!! I think he will be a start to correcting the problems. Hell I think Jeff Garcia would be and upgrade at QB. But I will say it one more time, Cutler is not a magic pill that will fix our offense, but it's a start.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Don't act like Cutler fixes the problems with this offense.

He could probably turn a few more of the broken plays into something...
Pluggin a few holes in the dam.

[IndySkin]

Good to know your standard for QB play is Tom Brady or Big Ben. I'll be sure to point this out to you if/when you make excuses for Cutler.



Pointing out that Campbell's oline and WRs sucked aren't excuses but facts, whether you like it or not. Unless Cutler's bringing his oline and WRs(and coaches) with him, you're not getting Jay Cutler from last year and nothing much is changing on offense. You're setting yourself up to be a hypocrite or disappointed. Take your pick.

Well I didn't see Cutler hold onto the ball waiting for something to evolve in front of him last season (he will actually scamble out of the pocket and create), nor did I see Cutler regulary over/under throw his receivers on 5 yard outs.

Yes, something can be said about the lack of receiving talent, but Mark Brunell played well with them. Todd Collins did ok with them. When a quarterback can't even get the ball to the receiver, is that the receiver's fault?

There are way to many variables when it comes into this, but it is quite clear that there is a difference in talent between the two players(Campbell/Cutler). I mean was our offensive line SO HORRIBLE that it actually affected Jason Campbell's decision making skills in the pocket? I don't buy it. His throws were just as errant in the "good half" of the season as what they were in the "bad half".

[AliBabba]

any deal will require giving up campbell to the broncos, or to someone else for a draft pick.

If for some reason they keep campbell and go under your plan to let the 2 fight it out to find the franchise QB who would we trade for cutler (2 number 1's? cooley and landry?).

Not to mention cutler may cry about facing a challange, or want a new contract when he walks through the door like anyone else we get.


i doubt the situation you described occurs given what we would have to give up if we keep campbell and the delicate nature of the "cry baby"
I think the crybaby stuff is overblown ... it was a strategic move to get himself out of Denver, out from under the new regime and most importantly to get him paid. So far it's working .....

[csquared]

cutler, like JC has a losing record as a starter. he has a better reciever and far better OC who he got to learn under.

You want JC to be on the same level with a wideout half the size of the other and often injured, a revolving door at OC?

with all that campbell had a QB rating last year 2 points behind Cutler. Cutler throw 18 picks to 25 touchdowns. He played the cheifs and raiders TWICE last year.

Come on, Cutler could/will come here and WILL have the same results as JC. Flat on his back, or forced throws to covered recievers who aren't running the right routes cause they have 4 playbooks jammed in there 5'5 heads.

give me a break. Cutler has so much more then JC. If your going to compare the 2 you shouldn't be leaving anything out. Your skewing it to look in your favor. Sure Cutler had 2 good WR's. What did he have on the O-line and in the backfield? Garbage......

[akhhorus]

Never said it was going to fix the problem. Maybe that's where you are getting me wrong. It's going to fix one problem, poor QB play. Cutler WILL NOT FIX OUR OFFENSE PROBLEM!!! I think he will be a start to correcting the problems. Hell I think Jeff Garcia would be and upgrade at QB. But I will say it one more time, Cutler is not a magic pill that will fix our offense, but it's a start.

So, why are you so excited about getting Cutler then? Considering that Denver had to surround him with a lot of talent in the Oline and at WR just to make Cutler look good, why bother giving away picks and cap room to Denver and Cutler respectively to do something we should be doing for Campbell?

[greatest2]

stuff we figured out....

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/rumors-fly-of-redskins-efforts-to-move-campbell/


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/zorn-cerrato-snyder-spent-huddled-all-day-in-snyders-office/


don't think i saw it posted in the thread

[akhhorus]

If your going to compare the 2 you shouldn't be leaving anything out. Your skewing it to look in your favor. Sure Cutler had 2 good WR's. What did he have on the O-line and in the backfield? Garbage......

Cutler had a great oline last year. Ryan Clady was the AP All-Pro 2nd Team Left tackle last year as a rookie. Hamilton, Wiegmann, Kuper and Harris are a really good Oline.

And the Skins only had 18 more rushing yards a game than the Broncos did.

[nicefellow31]

If your going to compare the 2 you shouldn't be leaving anything out. Your skewing it to look in your favor. Sure Cutler had 2 good WR's. What did he have on the O-line and in the backfield? Garbage......

I live in CO and saw a lot of the Broncos this past season. Their O-line is not that bad and they put at least 4 RBs on injured reserve. I wouldn't go so far as call them garbage.

[LASkin]

There is a way to make the trade work for the Redskins. I'd do exactly what I proposed in the other thread that I started on this topic: Cutler straight up for Campbell, no chaser. That leaves the #1 for a right OT, which is key for a viable offense. (OK, WRs would be nice, but we can't have everything in one trade.) That would be an upgrade for the Redskins, and might be as good an offer as Denver gets.

It's very hard to know what the bidding will be like for Cutler and whether Denver would get anything better. I am not sure that they will get any better offer. The bar was set pretty low by New England in the #2 for Cassell trade. The stories about a rabid feeding frenzy don't make sense to me. They sound like rumors started by his agent and by Denver, both of whom have huge incentives for a big deal.

If I'm Synder, I assemble all the reasons listed on the board for why taking Cutler is risky. We're going to give him Campbell, an upstanding citizen who's never whined and who has comparable stats in a much tougher division for a guy who's done no better - but in the dreck division. Plus, there is no guarantee that Washington fans will warm up to Cutler. Judging by the comments on this board, a lot of people will hate Synder for pulling the trigger on this deal.

There are a lot of dumb GMs and owners out there. Maybe somebody will be fool enough to give up 2 #1s for Cutler. I'm not not sure who that is (unless it's the Redskins). But if not, the Campbell for Cutler deal is worth pressing. It sure as hell looks better than Cutler for Kyle Orten, Cutler for Brady Quinn, or some of the other options that are bandied about.

As several of us have said over the last 2 months, it could be Norm Snead for Sonny Jurgenson all over again. Give Cutler a supporting cast and a defense, and it's sunshine and daffodils. Give away the store and all the draft picks, and Cutler could be as good as Sonny and end up having as good a career win-loss record to show for it (forgive me, Sonny).

Bottom line: 1 for 1 trade, and I'm for it. I bargain hard, and say no to adding any more to the deal. If it doesn't happen, fine, take the best OL available with the #1 and let someone else help Denver turn around the team with rich pickings.

[greatest2]

If your going to compare the 2 you shouldn't be leaving anything out. Your skewing it to look in your favor. Sure Cutler had 2 good WR's. What did he have on the O-line and in the backfield? Garbage......

Oline, excuse me? did you say oline?

cutler had a better oline.

by season end we had Heyer, who couldn't beat out jansen the cement feet for RT, playing LT. Among the other injuries to the line.

How much did our run game average of 2-8?

you can't say cutler wasn't in a better offense, didn't have better personnel or face lesser teams most of the time, as well as having a better OC overall. Well you can, but i would, in my opinion, disagree.

[nicefellow31]

Another rumor from PFT involving our braintrust (ok didn't mean to make you laugh) and meetings.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/zorn-cerrato-snyder-spent-huddled-all-day-in-snyders-office/

[Skinzlover223]

So, why are you so excited about getting Cutler then? Considering that Denver had to surround him with a lot of talent in the Oline and at WR just to make Cutler look good, why bother giving away picks and cap room to Denver and Cutler respectively to do something we should be doing for Campbell?

Why? Because I was excited when we drafted Patrick Ramsey. I thought he would lead this team. He failed. I thought we had our franchise QB. I was excited for Jason Campbell. I thought he would lead us to the next level, he has failed. The team doesn't even want to resign him. Most of all I'm sick of mediocre QB play. I want to see some fire on the field.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

I think the crybaby stuff is overblown ... it was a strategic move to get himself out of Denver, out from under the new regime and most importantly to get him paid. So far it's working .....
I agree, he and Cook wanted more $$$$ and the Cassell rumours was the ticket. Whether he got it from the Donkeys or another team was secondary. Not sure that speaks too well of his character.

[akhhorus]

Why? Because I was excited when we drafted Patrick Ramsey. I thought he would lead this team. He failed. I thought we had our franchise QB. I was excited for Jason Campbell. I thought he would lead us to the next level, he has failed. The team doesn't even want to resign him. Most of all I'm sick of mediocre QB play. I want to see some fire on the field.

Those are extremely bad reasons to be rooting for this trade. If we don't fix the WRs and OLine, it just won't matter who we'll have at QB. The offense will still be as inconsistent as it was in 2008. If we can fix the RT and X Wrs spots and get Cutler relatively cheaply, its a great move. If we stop at getting Cutler, then Cutler will struggle.

[LATrueRedskin]

There is a way to make the trade work for the Redskins. I'd do exactly what I proposed in the other thread that I started on this topic: Cutler straight up for Campbell, no chaser. That leaves the #1 for a right OT, which is key for a viable offense. (OK, WRs would be nice, but we can't have everything in one trade.) That would be an upgrade for the Redskins, and might be as good an offer as Denver gets.

It's very hard to know what the bidding will be like for Cutler and whether Denver would get anything better. I am not sure that they will get any better offer. The bar was set pretty low by New England in the #2 for Cassell trade. The stories about a rabid feeding frenzy don't make sense to me. They sound like rumors started by his agent and by Denver, both of whom have huge incentives for a big deal.

If I'm Synder, I assemble all the reasons listed on the board for why taking Cutler is risky. We're going to give him Campbell, an upstanding citizen who's never whined and who has comparable stats in a much tougher division for a guy who's done no better - but in the dreck division. Plus, there is no guarantee that Washington fans will warm up to Cutler. Judging by the comments on this board, a lot of people will hate Synder for pulling the trigger on this deal.

There are a lot of dumb GMs and owners out there. Maybe somebody will be fool enough to give up 2 #1s for Cutler. I'm not not sure who that is (unless it's the Redskins). But if not, the Campbell for Cutler deal is worth pressing. It sure as hell looks better than Cutler for Kyle Orten, Cutler for Brady Quinn, or some of the other options that are bandied about.

As several of us have said over the last 2 months, it could be Norm Snead for Sonny Jurgenson all over again. Give Cutler a supporting cast and a defense, and it's sunshine and daffodils. Give away the store and all the draft picks, and Cutler could be as good as Sonny and end up having as good a career win-loss record to show for it (forgive me, Sonny).

Bottom line: 1 for 1 trade, and I'm for it. I bargain hard, and say no to adding any more to the deal. If it doesn't happen, fine, take the best OL available with the #1 and let someone else help Denver turn around the team with rich pickings.

Denver will never trade Campbell for Cutler straight up, especially with 6-9 other teams interested in Cutler. This will take Campbell plus one or more draft picks to land him.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Well I didn't see Cutler hold onto the ball waiting for something to evolve in front of him last season (he will actually scamble out of the pocket and create), nor did I see Cutler regulary over/under throw his receivers on 5 yard outs.

Yes, something can be said about the lack of receiving talent, but Mark Brunell played well with them. Todd Collins did ok with them. When a quarterback can't even get the ball to the receiver, is that the receiver's fault?

There are way to many variables when it comes into this, but it is quite clear that there is a difference in talent between the two players(Campbell/Cutler). I mean was our offensive line SO HORRIBLE that it actually affected Jason Campbell's decision making skills in the pocket? I don't buy it. His throws were just as errant in the "good half" of the season as what they were in the "bad half".
Yep, because Jason Campbell threw so errantly in the first half of the season when he had 0 interceptions. Clearly there was no difference in his throwing between the first half and the second half, when the Oline broke down.
There is a way to make the trade work for the Redskins. I'd do exactly what I proposed in the other thread that I started on this topic: Cutler straight up for Campbell, no chaser. That leaves the #1 for a right OT, which is key for a viable offense. (OK, WRs would be nice, but we can't have everything in one trade.) That would be an upgrade for the Redskins, and might be as good an offer as Denver gets.

It's very hard to know what the bidding will be like for Cutler and whether Denver would get anything better. I am not sure that they will get any better offer. The bar was set pretty low by New England in the #2 for Cassell trade. The stories about a rabid feeding frenzy don't make sense to me. They sound like rumors started by his agent and by Denver, both of whom have huge incentives for a big deal.

If I'm Synder, I assemble all the reasons listed on the board for why taking Cutler is risky. We're going to give him Campbell, an upstanding citizen who's never whined and who has comparable stats in a much tougher division for a guy who's done no better - but in the dreck division. Plus, there is no guarantee that Washington fans will warm up to Cutler. Judging by the comments on this board, a lot of people will hate Synder for pulling the trigger on this deal.

There are a lot of dumb GMs and owners out there. Maybe somebody will be fool enough to give up 2 #1s for Cutler. I'm not not sure who that is (unless it's the Redskins). But if not, the Campbell for Cutler deal is worth pressing. It sure as hell looks better than Cutler for Kyle Orten, Cutler for Brady Quinn, or some of the other options that are bandied about.

As several of us have said over the last 2 months, it could be Norm Snead for Sonny Jurgenson all over again. Give Cutler a supporting cast and a defense, and it's sunshine and daffodils. Give away the store and all the draft picks, and Cutler could be as good as Sonny and end up having as good a career win-loss record to show for it (forgive me, Sonny).

Bottom line: 1 for 1 trade, and I'm for it. I bargain hard, and say no to adding any more to the deal. If it doesn't happen, fine, take the best OL available with the #1 and let someone else help Denver turn around the team with rich pickings.
A 1 to 1 trade? Are you kidding me? It take Campbell and our #13 just to get in the conversation, and we will probably have to throw in another pick if we want a legit shot. I'd probably do Campbell for Cutler straight up too.

[Skinzlover223]

Those are extremely bad reasons to be rooting for this trade. If we don't fix the WRs and OLine, it just won't matter who we'll have at QB. The offense will still be as inconsistent as it was in 2008. If we can fix the RT and X Wrs spots and get Cutler relatively cheaply, its a great move. If we stop at getting Cutler, then Cutler will struggle.

He asked why I'm rooting for the trade I told him. I'd rather not wait till next off season to go looking for a QB, or take another stab in 2010 drafting one. I hope we don't stop with just Cutler I hope we can find way to fix all the other problems.

[csquared]

I live in CO and saw a lot of the Broncos this past season. Their O-line is not that bad and they put at least 4 RBs on injured reserve. I wouldn't go so far as call them garbage.

Ok ill take it back. They aren't garbage but they are nothing special. Clady was the lone bright spot. Offensive comparison goes like this....

WR's DEN > WASH ( I would hope everyone agrees)
TE's DEN < WASH (I give Cooley the edge here)
RB's DEN< WASH ( No question)
OL DEN > WASH (Ill give Denver a slight edge but not that much)

WASH- So if im an opposing D im stacking the line against Portis right?

DEN- If im the opposing D here im not stacking the line. Im playing more for the pass right?

So i still need to know why we didnt take advantage of this? Its not Campbells job to worry about whether or not his receivers are in the spot they are supposed to be. Thats on them. He should be putting the ball where it needs to be. I just think he is just too hesitant to pull the trigger. Too scared to make a mistake.

[LASkin]

Denver will never trade Campbell for Cutler straight up, especially with 6-9 other teams interested in Cutler. This will take Campbell plus one or more draft picks to land him.

Maybe. That depends on (a) what they really think of Campbell and (b) what else they are being offered. Nobody outside of the Denver front office knows either thing. I'd make the offer. If they take it, it's a win for Washington.

[shally]

He asked why I'm rooting for the trade I told him. I'd rather not wait till next off season to go looking for a QB, or take another stab in 2010 drafting one. I hope we don't stop with just Cutler I hope we can find way to fix all the other problems.

+1

[akhhorus]

He asked why I'm rooting for the trade I told him.

You're answering the person who asked, so why are you talking to me in the 2nd person?

I'd rather not wait till next off season to go looking for a QB, or take another stab in 2010 drafting one. I hope we don't stop with just Cutler I hope we can find way to fix all the other problems.

That sounds like the same logic Snyderatto are using for this move, and thats not good logic.

[shally]

with KC, OAK, and SD(norv) in the divsion, Those stout defenses really held him in check, LOL



just wait until he gets to the NFCE. the DC, NY, PHIL media pressure with get to him.

be honest.. you would rather see the redskins with which qb facing your cowboys next year ?

[LATrueRedskin]

Maybe. That depends on (a) what they really think of Campbell and (b) what else they are being offered. Nobody outside of the Denver front office knows either thing. I'd make the offer. If they take it, it's a win for Washington.

I'd make that offer, too, because the Broncos would immediately turn that down.

[akhhorus]

Ok ill take it back. They aren't garbage but they are nothing special. Clady was the lone bright spot. Offensive comparison goes like this....

WR's DEN > WASH ( I would hope everyone agrees)
TE's DEN < WASH (I give Cooley the edge here)
RB's DEN< WASH ( No question)
OL DEN > WASH (Ill give Denver a slight edge but not that much)

WASH- So if im an opposing D im stacking the line against Portis right?

DEN- If im the opposing D here im not stacking the line. Im playing more for the pass right?

So i still need to know why we didnt take advantage of this? Its not Campbells job to worry about whether or not his receivers are in the spot they are supposed to be. Thats on them. He should be putting the ball where it needs to be. I just think he is just too hesitant to pull the trigger. Too scared to make a mistake.

When our line is healthy, the lines are close to even. And Campbell looked very good when our line was healthy. He looked like crap when it was badly hurt. If the line gets hurt again(and they've been beaten up for 2 straight years and still are old, so its a relatively safe assumption), how much better will Cutler look?

And while we have more talent at RB, we didn't really look that much better running the ball than Denver did last year. But that probably had a lot to do with the line play lol.

[csquared]

There is a way to make the trade work for the Redskins. I'd do exactly what I proposed in the other thread that I started on this topic: Cutler straight up for Campbell, no chaser.

LMAO....... UH HUH....... Can i have some of what your smoking please ?

[shally]

I'd make that offer, too, because the Broncos would immediately turn that down.


probably, but what other starting qb could they possibly get in return ?

[csquared]

When our line is healthy, the lines are close to even. And Campbell looked very good when our line was healthy. He looked like crap when it was badly hurt. If the line gets hurt again(and they've been beaten up for 2 straight years and still are old, so its a relatively safe assumption), how much better will Cutler look?

And while we have more talent at RB, we didn't really look that much better running the ball than Denver did last year. But that probably had a lot to do with the line play lol.

Campbell looking good had more to do with Portis running well than Campbell playing good. Campbells stats weren't all that great. He was on pace for what like 15 TD's and 0 picks? ( i cant remember exactly what the numbers were)

[Skinzlover223]

You're answering the person who asked, so why are you talking to me in the 2nd person?



That sounds like the same logic Snyderatto are using for this move, and thats not good logic.

Let's just say, that we don't get Cutler. Let's say Jason Campbell has another season that is similar to his last. Where he doesn't' throw more than 13 TD's and the team is in the 7-8 8-8 range. What should our option at QB be then? I can guarantee there are no Jay Cutler available outside of the draft in 2010?

[shally]

When our line is healthy, the lines are close to even. And Campbell looked very good when our line was healthy. He looked like crap when it was badly hurt. If the line gets hurt again(and they've been beaten up for 2 straight years and still are old, so its a relatively safe assumption), how much better will Cutler look?

And while we have more talent at RB, we didn't really look that much better running the ball than Denver did last year. But that probably had a lot to do with the line play lol.

i think it was a group of factors:

our line play deteriorated
our runningback got beaten up
few teams respected our passing game- neither the qb, nor the receivers
our coaches absolutely were incompetent when it came to making offensive adjustments

[LATrueRedskin]

probably, but what other starting qb could they possibly get in return ?

Don't know. But the Broncos will probably have options. I'm sure they would take a lesser QB and a pretty high draft pick over a 1-for-1 swap. This will be a bidding war.

[csquared]

probably, but what other starting qb could they possibly get in return ?

I think Denver is going to end up with Brady Quinn when all is said and done.

[Skinzlover223]

Campbell looking good had more to do with Portis running well than Campbell playing good. Campbells stats weren't all that great. He was on pace for what like 15 TD's and 0 picks? ( i cant remember exactly what the numbers were)

15 TD's that would of been a career high for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LASkin]

LMAO....... UH HUH....... Can i have some of what your smoking please ?

Any time, my man.

Seriously, I think Cutler is clearly superior to Campbell, but the number of avid football fans on this board who disagree is pretty large. If the Denver FO sees it like those guys, the trade may get done if Synder doesn't panic. Who says it will take Campbell and a #1 to get in the discussion, other than Cutler's agent and the Denver GM? I'm not convinced they'll get more than Campbell in the end. If it take more to make Denver happy, I walk if I'm doing the deal.

[shally]

Let's just say, that we don't get Cutler. Let's say Jason Campbell has another season that is similar to his last. Where he doesn't' throw more than 13 TD's and the team is in the 7-8 8-8 range. What should our option at QB be then? I can guarantee there are no Jay Cutler available outside of the draft in 2010?

campbell will NOT be our qb after next year if:

we dont go to the playoffs
he has the same kind of statistical year in terms of TD's or points scored by the offense

[akhhorus]

Campbell looking good had more to do with Portis running well than Campbell playing good.

So, we're suddenly going to marginalize Portis if we get Cutler? Umm...no. And we're still going back to the problems with the offense last year: the oline and WRs.

Campbells stats weren't all that great. He was on pace for what like 15 TD's and 0 picks? ( i cant remember exactly what the numbers were)

3700ish yards and 16 tds and 0 picks. I'd take that any time. You get him some decent WRs and those numbers would look much better.

[LASkin]

I think Denver is going to end up with Brady Quinn when all is said and done.

Then Campbell for Cutler, no chaser, would be a much better trade for them.

[shally]

Any time, my man.

Seriously, I think Cutler is clearly superior to Campbell, but the number of avid football fans on this board who disagree is pretty large. If the Denver FO sees it like those guys, the trade may get done if Synder doesn't panic. Who says it will take Campbell and a #1 to get in the discussion, other than Cutler's agent and the Denver GM? I'm not convinced they'll get more than Campbell in the end. If it take more to make Denver happy, I walk if I'm doing the deal.

depends upon what they are looking for..

more picks ? sure they could get that

another starting qb ?? tell me who that might be ?? unless you think it is some kind of 3 way with matt cassel ?

[AliBabba]

Maybe. That depends on (a) what they really think of Campbell and (b) what else they are being offered. Nobody outside of the Denver front office knows either thing. I'd make the offer. If they take it, it's a win for Washington.
I don't think your idea is crazy or stupid but the fact is they defintely have offered that already. If Denver was willing to do it straight up Cutler jerseys would be selling on Redskins.com right now. The fact that the FO has denied multiple rumors today but has NOT denied the fact they are trying to trade for Cutler says it all.

So then, since they are trying to trade for Cutler and they are cap-strapped do you think there is any possibility that they tried to do a deal without JC in it? No there isn't. Obviously Denver has said it will take more than just Campbell to do the deal.

Since one QB is not fixing all of our problems I wouldn't offer more than a swap of picks this year and possibly a pick next year. We need our full bevy (of four, lol) picks this year to address the huge holes at SLB and RT otherwise the Haynesworth, D-Hall and Cutler deals are worthless

[csquared]

Then Campbell for Cutler, no chaser, would be a much better trade for them.

Not even close. Id take Quinn in a heartbeat.

[akhhorus]

Let's just say, that we don't get Cutler. Let's say Jason Campbell has another season that is similar to his last. Where he doesn't' throw more than 13 TD's and the team is in the 7-8 8-8 range. What should our option at QB be then? I can guarantee there are no Jay Cutler available outside of the draft in 2010?

So, your solution is to roll the dice on some big ticket move and not actually fix any of the real problems with the offense? Thank god you're not the GM.

i think it was a group of factors:

our line play deteriorated
our runningback got beaten up
few teams respected our passing game- neither the qb, nor the receivers
our coaches absolutely were incompetent when it came to making offensive adjustments

So, the solution to this is to give up any chances to fix the other problems by shelling out for Cutler? That makes no sense.

[LASkin]

Don't know. But the Broncos will probably have options. I'm sure they would take a lesser QB and a pretty high draft pick over a 1-for-1 swap. This will be a bidding war.

Maybe. But what happened to the bidding war that was supposed to happen for Matt Cassell? NE only got a #2 for him.

[shally]

So, we're suddenly going to marginalize Portis if we get Cutler? Umm...no. And we're still going back to the problems with the offense last year: the oline and WRs.



3700ish yards and 16 tds and 0 picks. I'd take that any time. You get him some decent WRs and those numbers would look much better.

16 TD's wont cut it.. it means we would struggle to score 21 points per game once again..

[akhhorus]

Since one QB is not fixing all of our problems I wouldn't offer more than a swap of picks this year and possibly a pick next year. We need our full bevy (of four, lol) picks this year to address the huge holes at SLB and RT otherwise the Haynesworth, D-Hall and Cutler deals are worthless

Don't you know? If we dump Campbell, everyone will start playing better since Campbell actually drugged Jon Jansen before games, and photoshopped a picture of him sleeping with Santana Moss' mother(and taped it to Moss' locker pre-game). /sarcasm lol

[csquared]

So, we're suddenly going to marginalize Portis if we get Cutler? Umm...no. And we're still going back to the problems with the offense last year: the oline and WRs.



3700ish yards and 16 tds and 0 picks. I'd take that any time. You get him some decent WRs and those numbers would look much better.

Nobody is scared of Campbell. I think adding a QB like Cutler will make teams think twice about stacking the line. Also Cutlers deep ball is very pretty. Campbells is horrible. You send Thomas on a fly pattern(he shouldn't be able to screw that up) and use the tools he has to stretch the field.

[esmith1790]

be honest.. you would rather see the redskins with which qb facing your cowboys next year ?

to me culter is the better QB and he would be there long term, as a boys fan, i am quite eager to see:

JC ride it out as-is
or
the front office spend a high pick on a QB to develop in 2009.
or
JC get a market rate extension for average play. 9-10mil/year
or
JC walks after his contract cause he got no extension and the skins have to spend a high pick next year with a big money commitment to an unrpoven player.

Either way the Campbell progression is not good.

[LASkin]

I don't think your idea is crazy or stupid but the fact is they defintely have offered that already. If Denver was willing to do it straight up Cutler jerseys would be selling on Redskins.com right now. The fact that the FO has denied multiple rumors today but has NOT denied the fact they are trying to trade for Cutler says it all.

So then, since they are trying to trade for Cutler and they are cap-strapped do you think there is any possibility that they tried to do a deal without JC in it? No there isn't. Obviously Denver has said it will take more than just Campbell to do the deal.

Since one QB is not fixing all of our problems I wouldn't offer more than a swap of picks this year and possibly a pick next year. We need our full bevy (of four, lol) picks this year to address the huge holes at SLB and RT otherwise the Haynesworth, D-Hall and Cutler deals are worthless

I think what Synder really needs is some patience and cool. The bidding price may get too steep, in which case we drop out. But who says that offers on the table are better than Cutler for Campbell? I haven't seen any yet.

[akhhorus]

16 TD's wont cut it.. it means we would struggle to score 21 points per game once again..

With the same support system, I don't see how Cutler will be significantly better. When he didn't have that great 08 oline/WRs, he had 20 TDs, 14 ints, 11 fumbles along with only 3400 yards passing in 07.

[shally]

So, your solution is to roll the dice on some big ticket move and not actually fix any of the real problems with the offense? Thank god you're not the GM.



So, the solution to this is to give up any chances to fix the other problems by shelling out for Cutler? That makes no sense.


we need to fix the O line, no matter who is qb next year.. i am on record for that completely

we cant fix zorn.. he either grows some brains and a pair, or he is gone

i think cutler would make our impaired receivers look better.. moss and campbell are water and gasoline.. one of them needs to be gone, and i know that you believe it should be moss

having some kind of passing threat would make portis less beaten up by the final month of the year-- as would improving the o line

[Ibleedburgundy]

16 TD's wont cut it.. it means we would struggle to score 21 points per game once again..

That depends on the running game and the defense. The Jags went 12-4 with Garrard throwing something like 18 TDs and 3 picks. They won a playoff game and were in nice position until they played the Pats and never forced a punt.

[akhhorus]

Nobody is scared of Campbell. I think adding a QB like Cutler will make teams think twice about stacking the line. Also Cutlers deep ball is very pretty. Campbells is horrible. You send Thomas on a fly pattern(he shouldn't be able to screw that up) and use the tools he has to stretch the field.

And teams will just do what they did to Campbell: blitz the hell out of the right side of the line and make Cutler run for his life. Get me a good RT to go with Cutler(and don't give a lot for Cutler) and I'd be all for this move.

[Skinzlover223]

So, your solution is to roll the dice on some big ticket move and not actually fix any of the real problems with the offense? Thank god you're not the GM.

Again it will fix one problem mediocre QB play. The odds are strong the Jason Campbell will not be here in 2010. Why not pull the trigger now and get the QB now rather than go looking in 2010!!!

[akhhorus]

i think cutler would make our impaired receivers look better.. moss and campbell are water and gasoline.. one of them needs to be gone, and i know that you believe it should be moss


I don't think Moss would be out of his snit with Cutler. Cutler doesn't throw the underthrown deep balls that Moss loves so much. He leads his deep ball.

[shally]

With the same support system, I don't see how Cutler will be significantly better. When he didn't have that great 08 oline/WRs, he had 20 TDs, 14 ints, 11 fumbles along with only 3400 yards passing in 07.

A. if we have cutler this year, we WILL have shanahan next year.. that solves the zorn problem

B. i truly believe that cutler would make our wideouts look better

C. fixing the O line HAS to happen, either way.. actually what are we talking about ? fixing the right tackle position this year !! sign runyon or sign tauscher.
end of problem

[csquared]

And teams will just do what they did to Campbell: blitz the hell out of the right side of the line and make Cutler run for his life. Get me a good RT to go with Cutler(and don't give a lot for Cutler) and I'd be all for this move.

See id hope we could give up Campbell and our 2010 1st for him. That way we could pick up that RT this year. But who knows. Im tired of mediocrity. If the Skins dont win something next year ( Super Bowl, NFC, Division, Or hell even wildcard) i may have to start watching the CFL. lol

[shally]

I don't think Moss would be out of his snit with Cutler. Cutler doesn't throw the underthrown deep balls that Moss loves so much. He leads his deep ball.

i cant imagine that anyone would be worse for moss than campbell.. you might be correct, but i still think that cutler would throw it deep to moss at least twice as much as campbell does..

[akhhorus]

Again it will fix one problem mediocre QB play.

The main cause of the "mediocre" play was that teams didn't have to face much resistance from the oline. This is why the running game fell apart also in 2008.

The odds are strong the Jason Campbell will not be here in 2010. Why not pull the trigger now and get the QB now rather than go looking in 2010!!!

Because you're overpaying and preventing yourself from actually fixing the major problems. Giving up a first(and more) and paying Cutler 7 million a year(roughly) just means you have less picks/cap space to fix the problems you'll have to fix for Cutler anyways.

[shally]

And teams will just do what they did to Campbell: blitz the hell out of the right side of the line and make Cutler run for his life. Get me a good RT to go with Cutler(and don't give a lot for Cutler) and I'd be all for this move.

pace. tauscher. runyon

take your pick.. you think cutler is coming here without that promise from snyder ??

[AliBabba]

So, your solution is to roll the dice on some big ticket move and not actually fix any of the real problems with the offense? Thank god you're not the GM.

I am very confused. How the hell is that any different at all from our real GM?

[akhhorus]

See id hope we could give up Campbell and our 2010 1st for him. That way we could pick up that RT this year. But who knows. Im tired of mediocrity. If the Skins dont win something next year ( Super Bowl, NFC, Division, Or hell even wildcard) i may have to start watching the CFL. lol

This is the problem. We have a relatively high 1st this year, and Denver is going to want that pick. I hope we can hit on some 3rd round OT, but that would require the skins actually playing a rookie lol.

I agree with you that Cutler is more talented than Campbell, but he's not talented enough to succeed despite his talent. His stats in Denver show that. So, unless we're getting help for Cutler, this is a shiny toy that doesn't help much at the end of the day.

[AliBabba]

pace. tauscher. runyon

take your pick.. you think cutler is coming here without that promise from snyder ??

Well then he better promise Snyder he doesn't want a pay raise in '09 because we can't afford a single one of those guys of those guys if he does

[esmith1790]

Maybe. But what happened to the bidding war that was supposed to happen for Matt Cassell? NE only got a #2 for him.

i believe it was cause of the franchise tag being in effect, 14mil ( i think)

so you would have to have the cap room or sign him to a big time deal to lower that amount, i maybe wrong

[akhhorus]

pace. tauscher. runyon

take your pick.. you think cutler is coming here without that promise from snyder ??

Pace is about to sign with the Bears. Tauscher is talking to the pack about staying. But both Tauscher and Runyon might not be ready to go until mid-season.

[Skinzlover223]

The main cause of the "mediocre" play was that teams didn't have to face much resistance from the oline. This is why the running game fell apart also in 2008.



Because you're overpaying and preventing yourself from actually fixing the major problems. Giving up a first(and more) and paying Cutler 7 million a year(roughly) just means you have less picks/cap space to fix the problems you'll have to fix for Cutler anyways.

Listen man, regardless of if we Cutler or not. Jason won't be with the team in 2010. So we get to watch he medicore play all next season and that will be it.

[shally]

to me culter is the better QB and he would be there long term, as a boys fan, i am quite eager to see:

JC ride it out as-is
or
the front office spend a high pick on a QB to develop in 2009.
or
JC get a market rate extension for average play. 9-10mil/year
or
JC walks after his contract cause he got no extension and the skins have to spend a high pick next year with a big money commitment to an unrpoven player.

Either way the Campbell progression is not good.

thank you.. if i am the cowboys or giants, i hope to see Campbell as Redskin qb for the next 7 years. has he EVER beaten the giants ?
the eagles ? campbell plays well against them as a rule. they might be the exception

[LASkin]

This is the problem. We have a relatively high 1st this year, and Denver is going to want that pick. I hope we can hit on some 3rd round OT, but that would require the skins actually playing a rookie lol.

I agree with you that Cutler is more talented than Campbell, but he's not talented enough to succeed despite his talent. His stats in Denver show that. So, unless we're getting help for Cutler, this is a shiny toy that doesn't help much at the end of the day.

Hey, I totally agree that the FO can't give up high picks plus Campbell without sabotaging the team. But why are you so convinced that will be necessary? Who else is offering anywhere near that much? What if they just take Campbell for him?

[AliBabba]

This is the problem. We have a relatively high 1st this year, and Denver is going to want that pick. I hope we can hit on some 3rd round OT, but that would require the skins actually playing a rookie lol.

I agree with you that Cutler is more talented than Campbell, but he's not talented enough to succeed despite his talent. His stats in Denver show that. So, unless we're getting help for Cutler, this is a shiny toy that doesn't help much at the end of the day.
so what's your opinion of C2's proposal then since you concede that Cutler is an upgrade over Campbell?

Campbell and the 2010 first for Cutler?

[shally]

Pace is about to sign with the Bears. Tauscher is talking to the pack about staying. But both Tauscher and Runyon might not be ready to go until mid-season.

there will be guys out there that would be an upgrade.. maybe even Kwame Harris at RIGHT tackle (yeah he is a disaster at LT).. and the niners just cut a tackle, i believe..

[akhhorus]

Listen man, regardless of if we Cutler or not. Jason won't be with the team in 2010. So we get to watch he medicore play all next season and that will be it.

Thanks for your input Vinny. Say hi to Larry Michael for me.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

I don't see any way for us to have both Cutler and a great O-line. If it's me, I draft Oher/A.smith and give Campbell a second shot. I don't see us getting anything better than a temporary "fix" at RT if we sign Cutler. Well I don't want a fix, I want a dominate offensive line much more than I want Cutler.

[esmith1790]

This is the problem. We have a relatively high 1st this year, and Denver is going to want that pick. I hope we can hit on some 3rd round OT, but that would require the skins actually playing a rookie lol.

I agree with you that Cutler is more talented than Campbell, but he's not talented enough to succeed despite his talent. His stats in Denver show that. So, unless we're getting help for Cutler, this is a shiny toy that doesn't help much at the end of the day.

i totally agree,

Campbell with a #1 RT,

or

Cutler and no #1 with a 3rd RT.

pick ur poison.

[shally]

so what's your opinion of C2's proposal then since you concede that Cutler is an upgrade over Campbell?

Campbell and the 2010 first for Cutler?

really a 2, per point value.. then use the remaining #1 for loadholt, beattie, britten and the problem is solved once again...

[akhhorus]

Hey, I totally agree that the FO can't give up high picks plus Campbell without sabotaging the team. But why are you so convinced that will be necessary? Who else is offering anywhere near that much? What if they just take Campbell for him?

They won't. If the skins could get him for Campbell, that deal would have happened already.

so what's your opinion of C2's proposal then since you concede that Cutler is an upgrade over Campbell?

Campbell and the 2010 first for Cutler?

Thats not a bad deal, but I don't believe Denver would do it with our pick being so high this year. Trading Cutler means that the Broncos need to show tangible results from dealing him this year. Having picks 12 and 13 would do that. And with so many teams bidding on Cutler, we'll have to give up more than #13 and Campbell for him imo.

there will be guys out there that would be an upgrade.. maybe even Kwame Harris at RIGHT tackle (yeah he is a disaster at LT).. and the niners just cut a tackle, i believe..

We need something more than a has-been imo.

[greatest2]

Again it will fix one problem mediocre QB play. The odds are strong the Jason Campbell will not be here in 2010. Why not pull the trigger now and get the QB now rather than go looking in 2010!!!

because your not just losing campbell.

your losing a 1 this year (your starting RT)

or a 1 and 4th next year.


if it were campbell straight up, i may be more inclined to take this because we would still need wr's and oline, with the same ammunition to get those positions. but thats NOT THE CASE. we are giving up CAMPBELL PLUS A COUPLE PICKS, OR OUR RT IN THIS DRAFT.

[shally]

I don't see any way for us to have both Cutler and a great O-line. If it's me, I draft Oher/A.smith and give Campbell a second shot. I don't see us getting anything better than a temporary "fix" at RT if we sign Cutler. Well I don't want a fix, I want a dominate offensive line much more than I want Cutler.

what needs to be fixed this year on the O line besides right tackle ? everything else can wait until next year, or be solved with the development of one of our younger players.

[IndySkin]

Yep, because Jason Campbell threw so errantly in the first half of the season when he had 0 interceptions. Clearly there was no difference in his throwing between the first half and the second half, when the Oline broke down.

A 1 to 1 trade? Are you kidding me? It take Campbell and our #13 just to get in the conversation, and we will probably have to throw in another pick if we want a legit shot. I'd probably do Campbell for Cutler straight up too.

Just because he didn't throw any picks doesn't mean he didn't have errant throws. The majority of his passes were short throws anyway.

Of the first nine games, he threw over 200 yards five times. Three of those were against some of the worst secondaries in the NFL (NO, STL, and DET), which I'm sure Zorn schemed against. He also only broke 300 twice (NO w/ 321 and DET w/ 328, while throwing 231, 208, and 206 in the other three). Look at his last seven games, his completion percentage was consistent with the first half, with somewhat similar yardage (162, 206, 232, 218, 167, 144, and 156).

From a numbers/stats perspective (which I hate comparing players by, but I'm kind of forced to do so here), his second half stats really aren't that much different than the first half with the exception of throwing six picks.

I watched the games, as I'm sure you did, and I can't tell you how frustrating it was to see him make ERRANT incomplete short passes to his receivers.

My argument lies with decision making skills and talent and what the QB does outside of the stat book.

[shally]

They won't. If the skins could get him for Campbell, that deal would have happened already.



Thats not a bad deal, but I don't believe Denver would do it with our pick being so high this year. Trading Cutler means that the Broncos need to show tangible results from dealing him this year. Having picks 12 and 13 would do that. And with so many teams bidding on Cutler, we'll have to give up more than #13 and Campbell for him imo.



We need something more than a has-been imo.

trade NEXT years number 1 at the start of round 2 for beattie, britten or loadholt...

[esmith1790]

what needs to be fixed this year on the O line besides right tackle ? everything else can wait until next year, or be solved with the development of one of our younger players.



If you go with Cutler and the bring in Shanny, he will bring his Zone blocking scheme to DC. He would get new OL anyways.

would DD fix that scheme?

[shally]

Even going to Shanahan, a future HoF head coach and a two time superbowl champion, and offering him a job as an offensive coordinator would be an insulting. Never going to happen. If Shanahan comes here is it as a Head Coach and nothing less.

unless it is as GM...

but i agree, he would never some here as OC (even though Martz step down to be OC twice)

[shally]

If you go with Cutler and the bring in Shanny, he will bring his Zone blocking scheme to DC. He would get new OL anyways.

would DD fix that scheme?

would be an upgrade over kendall for sure.. he would need to change out the OL over 2-3 years and bring in a new OL coach

[greatest2]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/cutler-i-was-surprised-they-decided-to-trade-me-this-soon/


per pft from glazer



"Citing a source, Glazer and Marvez reported that the Broncos want more than a first-round and a third-round draft pick in exchange for Cutler."

I.E. campbell plus our 1st and 3rd this year.


anybody else still want the kid?

[ClubSandwichGuy]

what needs to be fixed this year on the O line besides right tackle ? everything else can wait until next year, or be solved with the development of one of our younger players.
Wait until next year? Now you really are sounding like Snyderrato. We had the oldest Oline in the league last year, we need youth on it right now. It's an issue that has been pushed back far too long, and pushing it back another year sickens me. You know this shally, that we need youth on the O-line.

[AliBabba]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/cutler-i-was-surprised-they-decided-to-trade-me-this-soon/


per pft from glazer



"Citing a source, Glazer and Marvez reported that the Broncos want more than a first-round and a third-round draft pick in exchange for Cutler."

I.E. campbell plus our 1st and 3rd this year.


anybody else still want the kid?
Assuming they value JC as a 3rd rounder that would mean JC and the 1st would get it done, if they value him higher they could send back a pick or settle for the 2010 1st.

[shally]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/cutler-i-was-surprised-they-decided-to-trade-me-this-soon/


per pft from glazer



"Citing a source, Glazer and Marvez reported that the Broncos want more than a first-round and a third-round draft pick in exchange for Cutler."

I.E. campbell plus our 1st and 3rd this year.


anybody else still want the kid?

that's a first and third.. doesnt say if Campbell is included as a player...

hard to tell what the broncos want right now.. and no tell what they get
in the end. cassel fetched JUST a 2...

[shally]

Assuming they value JC as a 3rd rounder that would mean JC and the 1st would get it done, if they value him higher they could send back a pick or settle for the 2010 1st.

if all we can get for campbell is a third, i dont know that is a deal we do..

[IndySkin]

Another interesting thing about our "Horrible OL", is that they allowed Campbell to get sacked 16 times in his first eight games, 7 times against Pittsburgh (ouch), and 15 times his last seven games.

Now this doesn't count hurries, which there were probably more of in the second half of the season because the OL was "so bad", but they gave up one less sack. So if he was being hurried as much, then he probably didn't complete as many passes, but that's not right because his completion percentage was a difference of like 65.9 to 59.7, but that was probably attributed to the "awful OL", my bad.

Maybe it was defenses figured out our scheme and how to pressure it, and when it came to that point, is it possible that Campbell couldn't compensate for the pressure that was put upon him and make on field decisions to evade it? Hmmm...

[shally]

Wait until next year? Now you really are sounding like Snyderrato. We had the oldest Oline in the league last year, we need youth on it right now. It's an issue that has been pushed back far too long, and pushing it back another year sickens me. You know this shally, that we need youth on the O-line.

wait, let's talk this through.. rabach is good for a year. samuels at least a couple of years. dockery for several.. the real crisis is on the right side..tackle needs a replacement this year..right guard ? all depends upon randy thomas's recovery. if he is solid, we are talking about 1 position for this year.

hopefully reinhart is finally starting to "get it" as bugel said earlier this month

[shally]

Another interesting thing about our "Horrible OL", is that they allowed Campbell to get sacked 16 times in his first eight games, 7 times against Pittsburgh (ouch), and 15 times his last seven games.

Now this doesn't count hurries, which there were probably more of in the second half of the season because the OL was "so bad", but they gave up one less sack. So if he was being hurried as much, then he probably didn't complete as many passes, but that's not right because his completion percentage was a difference of like 65.9 to 59.7, but that was probably attributed to the "awful OL", my bad.

Maybe it was defenses figured out our scheme and how to pressure it, and when it came to that point, is it possible that Campbell couldn't compensate for the pressure that was put upon him and make on field decisions to evade it? Hmmm...

our playcalling and coaching the second half of the season was memorably bad last year.. we were totally incapable of making any adjustments and teams knew what we were doing before we did it

i dont think that was on campbell

[AliBabba]

wait, let's talk this through.. rabach is good for a year. samuels at least a couple of years. dockery for several.. the real crisis is on the right side..tackle needs a replacement this year..right guard ? all depends upon randy thomas's recovery. if he is solid, we are talking about 1 position for this year.

hopefully reinhart is finally starting to "get it" as bugel said earlier this month
what about DE and SLB

[SkinsfaninNJ]

with KC, OAK, and SD(norv) in the divsion, Those stout defenses really held him in check, LOL



just wait until he gets to the NFCE. the DC, NY, PHIL media pressure with get to him.

This worries me for sure. He will go from the worst division in football to the best. Also from a laid back media market to the spot lights.

[IndySkin]

our playcalling and coaching the second half of the season was memorably bad last year.. we were totally incapable of making any adjustments and teams knew what we were doing before we did it

i dont think that was on campbell

Thank you, I would agree with that. I'm just tired of the OL excuse. However, giving that scenario, wouldn't you say that a mobile Cutler at QB might present a better option than a Statue of Liberty Campbell?

[AliBabba]

what about DE and SLB
FWIW Cutler thinks he'll go to the NFC

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9403016/Cutler-speaks:-'I-didn't-want-to-get-traded'
Cutler didn't proclaim a favorite but also believes Denver will end up trading him to an NFC team.

[whistleandthumb]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Zorn let go in April/May, and Shanny brought in at that time to be a Gibbs-like Coach/President/Don't Eff With Me, Vinny, Or I'll Throw A Lightning Bolt Up Your A Double S - type figure in the organization.

All this depends on what happens with Cutler.

Who we should have by morning time. ;)

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Not even close. Id take Quinn in a heartbeat.

No.

[LASkin]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/cutler-i-was-surprised-they-decided-to-trade-me-this-soon/
per pft from glazer

"Citing a source, Glazer and Marvez reported that the Broncos want more than a first-round and a third-round draft pick in exchange for Cutler."

I.E. campbell plus our 1st and 3rd this year.

They can want 5 #1s. That doesn't mean anything about what they will get.

The LA Dodgers offered Manny Ramirez a take it or leave it 2 year contract this year for half the money he wanted. Boras stormed, he claimed 7 teams were in the bidding, compared it to A-Rod's deal, Bonds' deal, etc. The Dodgers said, if you have a better offer, take it. Boras tried to get SF into the game - partly because that's the team's arch rival. The Dodgers said, we don't see an offer from them that's better than what we made. The fans screamed, the press said the team had no chance without Manny. Guess what? Manny took the take-it-or-leave-it offer, and he was happy to be in camp (and have a contract). The FO has to have nerve and steadiness to win this kind of game.

I'm still waiting to hear about an offer from a real NFL team anywhere near as rich as the ones proposed on this board. Maybe they will be needed - in which case the Redskins should walk. I'm not convinced.

[shally]

FWIW Cutler thinks he'll go to the NFC

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9403016/Cutler-speaks:-'I-didn't-want-to-get-traded'

tampa...if anyone in the nfc other than us..

but, if it were chucky, it would be certain.. with a new coach ? not so sure he wants to take on this kind of hot potato

[shally]

They can want 5 #1s. That doesn't mean anything about what they will get.

The LA Dodgers offered Manny Ramirez a take it or leave it 2 year contract this year for half the money he wanted. Boras stormed, he claimed 7 teams were in the bidding, compared it to A-Rod's deal, Bonds' deal, etc. The Dodgers said, if you have a better offer, take it. Boras tried to get SF into the game - partly because that's the team's arch rival. The Dodgers said, we don't see an offer from them that's better than what we made. The fans screamed, the press said the team had no chance without Manny. Guess what? Manny took the take-it-or-leave-it offer, and he was happy to be in camp (and have a contract). The FO has to have nerve and steadiness to win this kind of game.

I'm still waiting to hear about an offer from a real NFL team anywhere near as rich as the ones proposed on this board. Maybe they will be needed - in which case the Redskins should walk. I'm not convinced.

amen... let's see it happen

cassel fetched a #2..

[nicefellow31]

Another interesting thing about our "Horrible OL", is that they allowed Campbell to get sacked 16 times in his first eight games, 7 times against Pittsburgh (ouch), and 15 times his last seven games.

Now this doesn't count hurries, which there were probably more of in the second half of the season because the OL was "so bad", but they gave up one less sack. So if he was being hurried as much, then he probably didn't complete as many passes, but that's not right because his completion percentage was a difference of like 65.9 to 59.7, but that was probably attributed to the "awful OL", my bad.

Maybe it was defenses figured out our scheme and how to pressure it, and when it came to that point, is it possible that Campbell couldn't compensate for the pressure that was put upon him and make on field decisions to evade it? Hmmm...

It's not just the fans that said the o-line was bad. Coaches and players are on record as saying that line play was not good during the end of yr.

[shally]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Zorn let go in April/May, and Shanny brought in at that time to be a Gibbs-like Coach/President/Don't Eff With Me, Vinny, Or I'll Throw A Lightning Bolt Up Your A Double S - type figure in the organization.

All this depends on what happens with Cutler.

Who we should have by morning time. ;)

having shanny over zorn as a HC ? definite step up

having shanny over Vinny as GM ? PRICELESS !!!!!

[LASkin]

unless it is as GM...

but i agree, he would never some here as OC (even though Martz step down to be OC twice)

Shannahan is a great coach but a bad GM. Actually, as a GM he's in Vinny's league. He won the Super Bowl twice as a coach, then about destroyed the team when he got full power. All the terrible drafts, trades, and pickups that put together one of the worst defenses in the league are on him.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/cutler-i-was-surprised-they-decided-to-trade-me-this-soon/


per pft from glazer



"Citing a source, Glazer and Marvez reported that the Broncos want more than a first-round and a third-round draft pick in exchange for Cutler."

I.E. campbell plus our 1st and 3rd this year.


anybody else still want the kid?

That would be too rich for my blood unless we were getting a pick back.

[esmith1790]

amen... let's see it happen

cassel fetched a #2..

but that was because of the franchise tag and 14mil the new team had to take on.

(i believe)

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Thank you, I would agree with that. I'm just tired of the OL excuse. However, giving that scenario, wouldn't you say that a mobile Cutler at QB might present a better option than a Statue of Liberty Campbell?

Campbell has mobility. Cutler has more, so it should help, but there were plays last year where Jansen failed to even get a hand on the defender. No QB stands a chance when that happens.

[ObiWan1278]

With the Broncos stating they want more than just a 1st and 3rd pick for Cutler... makes me kinda think thats what the skins have offered and they have set the first bid in motion to Denver. I would bet anything that is the deal the skins have on the table..... They must not be interested in Cambell. Im just reading between lines here. You know eventually one of these trades is going to pan out for us.... Maybe it will be this one.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

With the Broncos stating they want more than just a 1st and 3rd pick for Cutler... makes me kinda think thats what the skins have offered and they have set the first bid in motion to Denver. I would bet anything that is the deal the skins have on the table..... They must not be interested in Cambell. Im just reading between lines here. You know eventually one of these trades is going to pan out for us.... Maybe it will be this one.
Trades don't usually pan out into championships. But I will tell you what does: good draft picks.

Oh wait, I forgot we had two monkeys running our front office, so forget that plan. :D

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Pretty good article on how I feel about this. He makes a good point about our draftees at the end.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Unlikely-candidate-in-the-Jay-Cutler-sweepstakes?urn=nfl,152120

On one hand, I guess it should have been obvious, given Dan Snyder's affinity for buying any shiny new item out there on the market. On the other hand, though, the Jason Campbell era has been progressing pretty well, yes? His quarterback rating has improved each year he's been in the league, topping out at 84.3 last year.

It's not that Cutler isn't better than Campbell -- Cutler is better than Campbell -- I just wouldn't have pegged the Redskins as a team that would've been unhappy with their quarterback situation.



But I'm not sure what to make of the Redskins interest. Quarterback is far and away the most important position on the field, and I guess if you can improve there at all, you should look into it. But is it worth giving up the draft picks it would take to acquire Cutler when you've got a decent situation with Campbell?

I don't know. I'm a believer in Cutler (more than most, according to my inbox), and if the Redskins aren't going to do any better with their draft picks than Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly, then it probably is.

[hogs86]

With the Broncos stating they want more than just a 1st and 3rd pick for Cutler... makes me kinda think thats what the skins have offered and they have set the first bid in motion to Denver. I would bet anything that is the deal the skins have on the table..... They must not be interested in Cambell. Im just reading between lines here. You know eventually one of these trades is going to pan out for us.... Maybe it will be this one.

I can see that may be part of the deal. Denver wants Sanchez this season not JC. I can see us trading JC to Tampa for this years 2nd round pick and next season 3rd round pick. A three way deal.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

ESPN saying Carlos Rogers could be part of a deal. Let's create more holes in the roster and trade away picks that could be used to plug the ones that exist currently. Great!

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-7-23/Early-morning-Cutler-update.html

A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington. Whatever the package, is it is going to be complicated and it could involve multiple teams.

[ObiWan1278]

While I agree with you that picks are better to have to have home grown talent, I can cite you pick after pick....after pick of picks the skins have had, high profile firsts that have not panned out.

Its all a crap shoot, at least it is in my opinion most of these picks are picked out by "the guru's" weeks or days leading up to the draft so those monkeys all got the Heath Shulers, Desmond Howards and the Michael Westbrooks wrong too.

And it has pained me to see us get fleeced in many a trade (especially the back that had a cup of coffee here from Atlanta), the portis deal (no way we should have sent a second, and then of course Brandon Lloyd) we have got screwed and they all have been quite lopsided. (of course I had hope that Lloyd would pan out)

But my bigger point is that no matter how "inept" our front office is...they at least try something, they can admit the cogs are broke (even though they forget NFC east football and ultimately Redskin football starts at the Line) and they try to do something. Do I like being offseason champions? Not at all but I like the fact that I believe that our owner (no matter how much stuff has backfired) has done everything he can do to win. Right now he feels and you have to think football guys around him feel that Cutler is the man. I respect he does what has to be done to get him. Will it blow up in our face.... every non skins fan out there hopes so... and sometimes I wonder if skins fans want it to as well. All I can do is hold out hope that this is the one that works.

[BigCountry]

Why are they calling all the shots? What would they do if nobody gave into their ridiculous demands and told them to take him back and rot with him.

[hogs86]

ESPN saying Carlos Rogers could be part of a deal. Let's create more holes in the roster and trade away picks that could be used to plug the ones that exist currently. Great!

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-7-23/Early-morning-Cutler-update.html

A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington. Whatever the package, is it is going to be complicated and it could involve multiple teams.



"2009 is going to be a bloodbath ... Just when I thought i have seen it all.....

[nicefellow31]

ESPN saying Carlos Rogers could be part of a deal. Let's create more holes in the roster and trade away picks that could be used to plug the ones that exist currently. Great!

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-7-23/Early-morning-Cutler-update.html

A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington. Whatever the package, is it is going to be complicated and it could involve multiple teams.

Lou Saban was a football coach who won two championships in the AFL with the Buffalo Bills and he coached many other teams. He passed away earlier this week. He was wired once for NFL Films and was very entertaining. In his honor I'm going to say one of the things he was famously quoted for.

"They're killing me WHITEY! They're KILLING ME!"

That is what I think of our front line.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

One thing that is not adding up is where the feud is going now between Den. and Cutler. Cutler says he is shocked they have given up and are trading him. He also says he never received the calls in question. Of course, this could be an attempt by Cutler to gain favor and avoid turning off his new team.

But what if Cutler is telling the trust and Denver really is trying to dump this guy before his value diminishes. What about the Denver news report from last week that had the quote about Cutler being too much of a partier (and drinker with his diabetes) and not smart enough, which scared McDaniels?

Cutler's on the field performance has been impressive, especially in such a short career. But no one can deny he comes with red flags.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

ESPN saying Carlos Rogers could be part of a deal. Let's create more holes in the roster and trade away picks that could be used to plug the ones that exist currently. Great!

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-7-23/Early-morning-Cutler-update.html

A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington. Whatever the package, is it is going to be complicated and it could involve multiple teams.
Ugh, that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The more info that surfaces, the closer this deal is to becoming reality. I don't like it..........

[Camden]

If this doesn't happen, JC's emotions could be kinda unsettled for a little while. I think he's mentally less sensitive than Cutler but he's human.

[nicefellow31]

If this trade doesn't come about, do you think the Skins will deny that they tried to make this deal?

[AliBabba]

ESPN saying Carlos Rogers could be part of a deal. Let's create more holes in the roster and trade away picks that could be used to plug the ones that exist currently. Great!

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-7-23/Early-morning-Cutler-update.html

A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington. Whatever the package, is it is going to be complicated and it could involve multiple teams.

We should just throw in Cooley, Landry and Moss while we're at it ... do you think Bowlen has any interest in Six Flags?

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

If this doesn't happen, JC's emotions could be kinda unsettled for a little while. I think he's mentally less sensitive than Cutler but he's human.
Poor poor Jason....

How about the feelings of the fans who have expected dramatic improvements from him and have been waiting four years?

[AliBabba]

ESPN saying Carlos Rogers could be part of a deal. Let's create more holes in the roster and trade away picks that could be used to plug the ones that exist currently. Great!

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-7-23/Early-morning-Cutler-update.html

A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington. Whatever the package, is it is going to be complicated and it could involve multiple teams.
hmmm this would make the selection of a CB with our first pick that much more enticing as well ... really no downside to it I can see ;)

[mr shadow 008]

do you guys by any chance think that this is just a rumor? i mean i know its just a rumor but you guys already act like its imminent no matter what if a big name is available we are always speculated to have something to do with it because of our past history but none of this might not even be true like i said any time a big name comes avaible we are always in the rumor even when there is ablsolutely no truth behind it espn and everyone else says we are in it

[AliBabba]

If this doesn't happen, JC's emotions could be kinda unsettled for a little while. I think he's mentally less sensitive than Cutler but he's human.
I don't know about you but I think I'd prefer my QB be as mentally sensitive as possible

[esmith1790]

CR is gona want big money like Hall. if the FO thinks they are gona have a hard time re upping him, they can convince themselves to use as a chip.

CR is not gona be around in 2010, might as well get something for him.....

[SkinsfaninNJ]

If the deal does happen at least Portis will have company in getting coddled by the owner. We should have signed TO too. The three of them could have had breakfast with Snyder each morning to discuss the direction of the team.

[AliBabba]

do you guys by any chance think that this is just a rumor? i mean i know its just a rumor but you guys already act like its imminent no matter what if a big name is available we are always speculated to have something to do with it because of our past history but none of this might not even be true like i said any time a big name comes avaible we are always in the rumor even when there is ablsolutely no truth behind it espn and everyone else says we are in it
if there was no truth to it Snyderrato would have denied it just as they did the first time or like they did earlier today about the Campbell for a 2nd rumor. They're "no comment" response is as good as an admission

[SkinsfaninNJ]

hmmm this would make the selection of a CB with our first pick that much more enticing as well ... really no downside to it I can see ;)

Of course our first pick won't be until the fifth round. Any good CB prospects on day two?

[AliBabba]

CR is gona want big money like Hall. if the FO thinks they are gona have a hard time re upping him, they can convince themselves to use as a chip.

CR is not gona be around in 2010, might as well get something for him.....
depends on the CBA ... if a new one isn't in place soon he'd be an RFA again in 2010

[mr shadow 008]

haha whats the point of them denying it nobody would believe them anyway.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

if there was no truth to it Snyderrato would have denied it just as they did the first time or like they did earlier today about the Campbell for a 2nd rumor. They're "no comment" response is as good as an admission

I agree. Plus, I am acting like it is done because it is very rare when Snyder doesn't get what he wants. Very rare.

[AliBabba]

Of course our first pick won't be until the fifth round. Any good CB prospects on day two?
probably but we'll pass on them to find a guy who is 5-7 165 and recently had hip surgery

[AliBabba]

haha whats the point of them denying it nobody would believe them anyway.
To not make they're QB look like such a joke? To keep they're word? To show that they have some common sense? To not allow teams to continually use them as a bargaining chip to drive negotiations with others? .... take your choice, but the reason they have NOT denied the reports is b/c they are true

[SkinsfaninNJ]

While I agree with you that picks are better to have to have home grown talent, I can cite you pick after pick....after pick of picks the skins have had, high profile firsts that have not panned out.

Its all a crap shoot, at least it is in my opinion most of these picks are picked out by "the guru's" weeks or days leading up to the draft so those monkeys all got the Heath Shulers, Desmond Howards and the Michael Westbrooks wrong too.

And it has pained me to see us get fleeced in many a trade (especially the back that had a cup of coffee here from Atlanta), the portis deal (no way we should have sent a second, and then of course Brandon Lloyd) we have got screwed and they all have been quite lopsided. (of course I had hope that Lloyd would pan out)

But my bigger point is that no matter how "inept" our front office is...they at least try something, they can admit the cogs are broke (even though they forget NFC east football and ultimately Redskin football starts at the Line) and they try to do something. Do I like being offseason champions? Not at all but I like the fact that I believe that our owner (no matter how much stuff has backfired) has done everything he can do to win. Right now he feels and you have to think football guys around him feel that Cutler is the man. I respect he does what has to be done to get him. Will it blow up in our face.... every non skins fan out there hopes so... and sometimes I wonder if skins fans want it to as well. All I can do is hold out hope that this is the one that works.

You make a good point. What other team (other than maybe Denver right now) has this many folks glued to one thread at 1:15 in the morning on the east coast on April 2? The sad part is I'm not even tired because I have to know how this will end.

Snyder's got me!!! You win damn it.

[mr shadow 008]

i'm not tryin to defend them by any means. I'm also not tryin to say that the rumors aren't true by all means i believe them I was just shedding a different perspective

[nicefellow31]

You make a good point. What other team (other than maybe Denver right now) has this many folks glued to one thread at 1:15 in the morning on the east coast on April 2? The sad part is I'm not even tired because I have to know how this will end.

Snyder's got me!!! You win damn it.

Post of the night!

[native skin]

You make a good point. What other team (other than maybe Denver right now) has this many folks glued to one thread at 1:15 in the morning on the east coast on April 2? The sad part is I'm not even tired because I have to know how this will end.

Snyder's got me!!! You win damn it.

LOL

[shally]

Shannahan is a great coach but a bad GM. Actually, as a GM he's in Vinny's league. He won the Super Bowl twice as a coach, then about destroyed the team when he got full power. All the terrible drafts, trades, and pickups that put together one of the worst defenses in the league are on him.

you do have a point.. still, he is better than Vinny.. anyone is..

[Rogers_Redskins]

you do have a point.. still, he is better than Vinny.. anyone is..
Shanahan drafted Maurice Claurett in the 3rd round. I do not want him as a GM, Head Coach maybe but not a GM.

[AliBabba]

i'm not tryin to defend them by any means. I'm also not tryin to say that the rumors aren't true by all means i believe them I was just shedding a different perspective
it's funny you mention "them" (the FO) and perspective in the same thought. if you want to understand "their" perspective try this:

shoot yourself in the foot, watch it bleed for awhile
then put your arm in a sling, rub some ointment behind your ear and finally go to bed
wake up tomorrow blame your wife and kick her out of the house
go down the street to the closest bar and find the oldest, drunkest guy there
pay him $1000 to come back to your place to make you dinner
let him pass out on the floor and stain your carpet in vomit
hours later when he wakes up and starts to come out of his hangover, it turns out he's actually been a chef
when you realize this kick him out too
then shoot yourself in the other foot and put on some chapstick

you getting their perspective now?

[shally]

Shanahan drafted Maurice Claurett in the 3rd round. I do not want him as a GM, Head Coach maybe but not a GM.

and we drafted manny white in the 4th and taylor jacobs in the second..

mistakes happen.. i would be interested in seeing what his overall record is versus Vinny's.. plus, i think that Denver actually had someone with the title of GM part of the time Shanny was there. not sure how the chain of authority for personnel went, but i would agree with you that Shanny's record was mixed in personnel.. then again, so was Joe Gibbs

it is really tough to do both jobs together, but i would have to believe that Shanny + Vinny would be better than Zorn + Vinny, just where personnel is concerned

as a HC ? definite thumbs up...

[zozza8]

As a Redskin and Bronco fan...I hope that neither team ends up with Cutler. He is a selfish baby and would not help this team. Skins need to stick it out with Campbell!

[shally]

As a Redskin and Bronco fan...I hope that neither team ends up with Cutler. He is a selfish baby and would not help this team. Skins need to stick it out with Campbell!

respect your opinion as to his personality but there are 2 sides to every issue..elways was a selfish baby early in his career as well

as to whether he would help the Redskins, i think it comes down to whether you think Cutler is a better qb overall than Campbell.. if you think he is markedly better, you make the deal.. if you think they are roughly equal you dont.. that is truly the only thing that matters

[zozza8]

respect your opinion as to his personality but there are 2 sides to every issue..elways was a selfish baby early in his career as well

as to whether he would help the Redskins, i think it comes down to whether you think Cutler is a better qb overall than Campbell.. if you think he is markedly better, you make the deal.. if you think they are roughly equal you dont.. that is truly the only thing that matters

And I dont think he is the better QB. Far too many turnovers. Has Cutler ever had a winning team? There is a reason behind that...

[warpaint]

I think this has gone on for so long now that we need to trade Jason,not that I am in favor of a trade because bottom line I really don't know who is the better q.b , Campbell or Cutler. Has Jason really been given a fair chance ? don't know if he has because of the suspect o.line and the receivers he has, what I do know and I notice this in a game last year where Jason was on the sideline being talked to by a coach, he had a look on his face of being completed dumbfounded or didn't have a clue as to what the coach was talking about, Patrick Ramsey had a bright future with the redskins in my opinion,until there came a day for whatever reason he appeared to have lost all of his confidence, not that I have ever played any sports on a major level I believe if one doesn't have confidence in himself/herself then all is lost for excelling on any level ,much less in the pros. with all the trade talk etc. Jason's confidence probably is at an all time low and if stays with the redskins this year most likely would be his last year here. I do like Cutler a lot but his diabetic condition would make me think twice before making a trade if I were the redskins g.m. ( aka danny boy):moon2:

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

and the plot thickens!
Early-morning Cutler update

April 2, 2009 12:23 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

The Washington Post reported Wednesday night that the Redskins are actively pursuing Denver quarterback Jay Cutler.

I have long heard that Washington would be in on the Cutler sweepstakes. The Redskins are one of the most aggressive franchises in the NFL. There are several teams pushing for Cutler but the Redskins can end this chase quickly.

A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington. Whatever the package, is it is going to be complicated and it could involve multiple teams.

A source close to the situation said Wednesday night teams joining Washington in the Cutler sweepstakes include Chicago, Tampa Bay and Tennessee. The Titans' interest would be fascinating since they already have Kerry Collins and Vince Young. There are connections, though. The team's offensive coordinator, Mike Heimerdinger, coached Cutler in Denver and Cutler played at Vanderbilt in Nashville. Cutler (who attended an UFC event in Tennessee on Wednesday night) is a local hero there.

[Santheb]

I don't know how I'd feel about losing Stonehands, on one hand, he's pretty darn good, on the other hand...the man couldn't catch a cold.

I trust that Dan and Vinny will make a marvelously stupid move though so it'll probably be Rogers + Campbell + #13 + 2nd round next year or something moronic like that.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

ESPN said denver wants 2 number 1s at least for jay cutler.
they also say it could be completed by friday.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

i think it would be stupid for washington to give up two number 1 picks for cutler.but vinny/snyder are known for doing stupid things so i expect it to happen like every other redskin fan.

[colkurtz]

I'm anticipating that Zorn wants this deal.Who's a better judge of the future of our franchise at QB?

Zorn's has had a year of JC and MY NOT LIKE WHAT HE SEE'S .

[native skin]

I don't know how I'd feel about losing Stonehands, on one hand, he's pretty darn good, on the other hand...the man couldn't catch a cold.

I trust that Dan and Vinny will make a marvelously stupid move though so it'll probably be Rogers + Campbell + #13 + 2nd round next year or something moronic like that.

Actually, I would have no problem getting rid of 'Los. He can be pretty good at times and he's good enough to have trade value. The guy is becoming a little too cocky for my taste and he's just looking for a big payday, which I guess he deserves to some degree. If he wants DH money then ship him off. Of course, this will just mean we will be very thin at CB and will have yet another glaring hole.

It's been nearly 20 years since we last won a SB. 20 YEARS!! Is this really the way to go about doing things? Franchise QB or not, it's still the same thing danny boy has been doing since he got here. Which equals nothing in my book.

If he gives up too much, franchise QB or not, I will seriously boycott everything that man touches.