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lakewinola

09-30-2003, 10:42 AM

"I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL," Limbaugh said. "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well; I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team, that he really didn't deserve."

He's saying that McNabb gets credit for being a good qb simply because he is black.

Emmanouel8

09-30-2003, 10:49 AM

I wouldn't put that up there w/ what Jimmy the Greek said. Can't someone just have an opinion?

lakewinola

09-30-2003, 10:58 AM

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/6894896.htm

jporterweb

09-30-2003, 11:45 AM

I agree with him. I don't think McNabb is as good a quarterback as he is portrayed. However, the media and people like Jessie Jackson are so hungry to have blacks at the top that they portray him as such. All he is saying is that because he is black he gets more credit then he necessarily deserves. That happens a lot in this society, Not just football. I've never agreed that McNabb was a great great QB. I've always thought that he was a normal QB. Michael Vick on the other hand is one that lets his play define him. I hope people don't take this wrong, but that's just my opinion.

Anyways, can an admin move this to the Political Board?

lakewinola

09-30-2003, 12:00 PM

You guys actually believe that the sportswriters all across this country, who pretty much every single one has given donovan his props, has been giving it to him because of his race? This is the biggest conspiracy I've ever seen orchastrated by the media. Sorry guys, but this is a bunch of crap. Blind faith in your heros is no excuse for a lack of common sense. Am I to believe that Tiger is given such hype only because he is black as well? My last thoughts on this topic.

jporterweb

09-30-2003, 12:05 PM

I never said he was a horrible Quarterback, I just don't see him as the SuperStar. I'm not the only one, and not all the sportswriters in the country not near call him a SuperStar.

BigCountry

09-30-2003, 12:37 PM

Well coming from a guy (Rush) who should be wearing a sheet over his head and dancing around a fire somewhere, I think it is racial. McNabb is the reason the Eagles aren't sorry anymore. The defense has been great but without McNabb bone of this would have happened. Limbau is human garbage and there's good reason that anything he says has to do with the fact that his picture is next to the word biggotry in the dictionary.

skinswin'emALL

09-30-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by BigCountry
Well coming from a guy (Rush) who should be wearing a sheet over his head and dancing around a fire somewhere, I think it is racial. McNabb is the reason the Eagles aren't sorry anymore. The defense has been great but without McNabb bone of this would have happened. Limbau is human garbage and there's good reason that anything he says has to do with the fact that his picture is next to the word biggotry in the dictionary.

I dissagree greatly with Rush, but calling him names just makes you/us as low as him.

McNabb IS a very good QB. What is he not? ...... Perfect.

McNabb set the bar for himself very high by being very good. So as soon as he has a couple of "bad" games in a row, people are standing by like vultures, ready to pounce. It's very sad.

It's also sad that someone asked Doug Williams how long he had been a 'black quaterback' -- Props to Doug for both his answer and how he handled the question

Emmanouel8

09-30-2003, 02:09 PM

You have it wrong.

The newspapers and the league hype players that make them money. McNabb is one of these players that fans respond (buying jersey's etc.) too so newspapers and media types brand him the 'star.' Thus he gets all the credit when things go right and the team gets the criticism when things go wrong. When fans start focusing the blame on him a few will sound like the fans who hate him and a few will stick up for him like the fans who love him.

This gets confused w/ racism b/c McNabb is an African-American playing QB. I don't know anything about golf so I don't know anything about Tiger but just b/c McNabb.is overhyped doesn't mean everybody black is.

lakewinola

09-30-2003, 02:53 PM

Explain that to Rush. I agree that is why hype happens, not because of the color of your skin as Rush stated.

jporterweb

09-30-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by lakewinola
Explain that to Rush. I agree that is why hype happens, not because of the color of your skin as Rush stated.

I again disagree with you. There is always a lot of hype because of the color of the skins. Example besides Mcnabb, Marvin Lewis. They made a big stink about him being the new coach of the Bengals. Do you think the league would've really cared if someone else had been selected? They make it a point to push African American's for the simple reason that it makes them look good and good publicity. And they have to because otherwise Jessie Jackson is breathing down their necks

BigCountry

09-30-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Spence
Some of Rush Limbaugh's greatest moments:

--He offered this theory as to why Salvador Garcia, a Mexican, won the 1991 New York City Marathon: "an immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles."

--He told an African-American radio-show caller, "take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

--He said, "the NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

--In response to a caller suggesting that black Americans need to be heard, he responded, "they are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"

--He played the Jeffersons theme whenever discussing Carole Mosley-Braun, the first African-American woman elected to the U.S. Senate.

--He said, "have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

Seems to me like Jimmy the Greek got fired for saying a lot less than that. I guess this tells you something about where our country is right now.

If that ain't racist, please don't tell me what is. As you can see what I called him isn't half of what he deserves and if you still think he isn't a biggot, then the discussion really should be over.

lakewinola

09-30-2003, 03:14 PM

again as I stated, the hype that mcnabb has recieved is not by the nfl, but by the thousands of journalists across the country, you suggest that the entire journalism profession has been hyping mcnabb because they want to write about a great black qb.

People need to stop believing every single peice of crap that comes out of this guy. YOU TREAT HIM AS IF HE WERE YOUR GOD. Guess what he is not a god. Admit that he has faults and disagree with him from time to time. Become an independent who can think for yourselves.

I have not been attacking everything Rush, just his incredibly stupid assertion that McNabb is viewed as a great QB simply cause he is black.

BigCountry

09-30-2003, 03:24 PM

I think my last post on the issue pretty much speeks for itself.

jporterweb

09-30-2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by lakewinola
again as I stated, the hype that mcnabb has recieved is not by the nfl, but by the thousands of journalists across the country, you suggest that the entire journalism profession has been hyping mcnabb because they want to write about a great black qb.

People need to stop believing every single peice of crap that comes out of this guy. YOU TREAT HIM AS IF HE WERE YOUR GOD. Guess what he is not a god. Admit that he has faults and disagree with him from time to time. Become an independent who can think for yourselves.

I have not been attacking everything Rush, just his incredibly stupid assertion that McNabb is viewed as a great QB simply cause he is black.

I am really having to hold my tongue here. And it's going to be really hard not to flip completly. I am sick and fu**ing tired of being told to stop blindly following what Rush says or what Glenn Beck says. Well you know what, I don't blindly follow them. I do disagree with them. But in this instance I AGREE, on my own. I'm not brainwashed. I think for my damn self. Yea he has faults, but dammit don't tell me that I can't think for myself. No one was defending everything Rush. so to say we treat him as if he were my god? That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Why don't you stick to the topic instead of attacking my intelligence, and my ability to think.

lakewinola

09-30-2003, 03:30 PM

So you agree with the statement:

Donovan McNabb is considered a great quarterback only because he is black.

skinswin'emALL

09-30-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by BigCountry
If that ain't racist, please don't tell me what is. As you can see what I called him isn't half of what he deserves and if you still think he isn't a biggot, then the discussion really should be over.

I think that the things Rush and others say is sad, ignorant and inexcusable. Just as what he said about McNabb was.

Please don't defend Jesse Jackson (I think he's called a Rev. but I'm not sure what church). He's as much a racist as Rush....Nuff said.

jporterweb

09-30-2003, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by lakewinola
So you agree with the statement:

Donovan McNabb is considered a great quarterback only because he is black.

I say that I don't conisder him a great quarterback. And I never said it's ONLY because he is Black, and Neither did Rush.

BigCountry

09-30-2003, 03:48 PM

I wasn't defending Jessie Jackson, just saying that Rush Limbau is a shameless biggot and the things he says are no differant from the things you'll hear in clan rally.

jporterweb

09-30-2003, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by BigCountry
I wasn't defending Jessie Jackson, just saying that Rush Limbau is a shameless biggot and the things he says are no differant from the things you'll hear in clan rally.

Wow, I would like to see a list of things that make him so racist. Can I see what he has done to make him racist please?

Skins57

09-30-2003, 04:13 PM

Lets try to keep control of this discussion guys, don't let it get personal. It hasn't just wanted to interject before it did. Feel free to discuss this but keepit under control.
Thanks

jporterweb

09-30-2003, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Skins57
Lets try to keep control of this discussion guys, don't let it get personal. It hasn't just wanted to interject before it did. Feel free to discuss this but keepit under control.
Thanks

It has gotten a little personal, but I have been able to hold control. Just so that I make sure I keep control though, I am going to pull out of this discussion. I spoke my piece and I think thats all that needs said. Cause if anyone else says something about me mindlessly following Rush or anyone I won't be able to. Since I am doing this and have no opinion of my own anyways, I wish to no longer be a part of this conversation.

That and I just noticed that Spence is on, and he would kick my ass in a debate. :smash: :D

BigCountry

09-30-2003, 06:43 PM

Check one of my posts in this topic and you'll find out.

Skins57

09-30-2003, 10:45 PM

That and I just noticed that Spence is on, and he would kick my ass in a debate.

welcome to the club most of us are a member of, I am glad I usually on his side :D:D:D

jporterweb

10-01-2003, 01:23 PM

Not to keep this going, but it makes me feel better to know that even though I'm in the minority, there are still 31% of the almost 2000 so far polled that agree with Rush's comments.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/974360.asp?0cv=CB20

rskinsfan10

10-01-2003, 05:54 PM

Hmm, this is the same guy that was runner-up for the MVP award a couple of years ago. Rush should stick to whatever it is that he thinks that he has expertise in, because pro football surely isn't it.

Skins57

10-01-2003, 06:31 PM

Kenny I am not sure anyone knows, what he is good at, other than being rude and making stupid comments

rskinsfan10

10-01-2003, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by jporterweb
Not to keep this going, but it makes me feel better to know that even though I'm in the minority, there are still 31% of the almost 2000 so far polled that agree with Rush's comments.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/974360.asp?0cv=CB20

Well, if you go to ESPN only 14% agree with you and Rush, so take it for what it's worth.

BigCountry

10-02-2003, 02:03 AM

The comment itself makes no sense to begin with, but doesn't the fact that it comes from a man who is openly racist tell you even more about it?

jporterweb

10-02-2003, 09:09 AM

HE's openly racist? As I remember he was arguing the fact that Black Assistant coaches were going to be used as pawns in the NFL. He talked about instances like San Fran who publicly interviewed a couple black QB's, then out of nowehere Hired Mora when he wasn't even mentioned as interview. He said that while their needs to be more blacks given the opportunity, the NFL is just going to make a mockery out of them with these rules.

BigCountry

10-02-2003, 01:46 PM

Then you haven't read my post quoting stuff from his radio show.

jporterweb

10-02-2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by BigCountry
Then you haven't read my post quoting stuff from his radio show.

Yes I read that. A lot of that is just who he is. Doesn't make him racist. He treat everyone like that. Once again, people have selective hearing. He treats EVERYONE like that. I've heard him tell a white man that was complaining about something with some blacks, and he told him to go back to his KKK meeting and shut up. I've heard him trash and defend all races. I listen to the show every day...Do you?