jason taylor signs with dolphins

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

i do not wish illness or injury on anybody,but i hope jason taylor rolls his ankle the 1st day of practice.i lost all the respect i had for him this 2009 off-season.i hope he has an awful fricking year!!!!!:devil1:

[dj_stouty]

Link?

And yikes...wishing someone harm? What did Jason do to you?

The FO didn't want him around so they made up some BS excuse about changing the workout language in his contract; despite not making the change for all of their players. Sure, Jason was hurt for most of last season, but even when he wasn't - Blatche made sure to use him incorrectly.

I'll bet Jason gets double digit sacks next year just to spite Blatche and our FO clowns.

[CNYSkinFan]

Link?

And yikes...wishing someone harm? What did Jason do to you?

The FO didn't want him around so they made up some BS excuse about changing the workout language in his contract; despite not making the change for all of their players. Sure, Jason was hurt for most of last season, but even when he wasn't - Blatche made sure to use him incorrectly.

I'll bet Jason gets double digit sacks next year just to spite Blatche and our FO clowns.
while we play Orakpo out of position

[shally]

tuna collects draft picks and just laughs and laughs

[dj_stouty]

while we play Orakpo out of position

I heard Orakpo and Hall may swap positions on certain downs. :)

[S.Taylor36]

Dolphins signed DE/OLB Jason Taylor to a one-year, $1.1 million contract. The deal includes a $400,000 signing bonus.

So the Dolphins get him back for real cheap and we hand them a 2nd round draft pick...solid.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2009/05/13/taylor-comes-home-to-dolphins/

[hockeygoalie29]

Wow. It's a one year deal for $1.1 million. A far cry from the $8.5 million he "turned down" here.

Link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/13/taylors-one-year-deal-is-worth-11-million/)

[SkinsfaninNJ]

tuna collects draft picks and just laughs and laughs

Yah, this one didn't go our way.

[Lavar703]

Well this is embarrassing

[dj_stouty]

Wow. It's a one year deal for $1.1 million. A far cry from the $8.5 million he "turned down" here.

Link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/13/taylors-one-year-deal-is-worth-11-million/)

Everyone enjoys getting the big payday to come here...and then they glady take a pay cut to leave. Sure wish it was the other way around...

[NCskinsfanatic]

Dolphins signed DE/OLB Jason Taylor to a one-year, $1.1 million contract. The deal includes a $400,000 signing bonus.

So the Dolphins get him back for real cheap and we hand them a 2nd round draft pick...solid.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2009/05/13/taylor-comes-home-to-dolphins/

dont forget they get next year's 6th too. I think JT wanted out of DC and back closer to home just as much as I think the FO's excuse was bs. I doubt he'll make more than an average impact and will be nothing more than a situational pass rusher. But even still the Dolphins fleeced us lol.

[Skins7ny]

tuna collects draft picks and just laughs and laughs
A lot of people laugh after dealing with our FO.
I hate the Tuna, but there is a reason teams come calling for him every time he is available. The same reason why no one came calling for Vinny when he was available.
This just stinks. During the draft, I was thinking about all the guys we could have drafted in the 2nd round if we had not made that stupid trade. And we have to give Tuna our 6th this year as well.

I would have picked LB Clint Sintim, plug him into SLB and perhaps have him rush from a down position on 3rd downs. Can be groomed in the Marcus Washington role, and allow Orakpo to concentrate on DE-you can never have too many good pass rushers.

[shally]

Yah, this one didn't go our way.

didtn go Taylor's way either.. he lost 7 million dollars for refusing to attend work outs..what a dummy !!

[Skins7ny]

didtn go Taylor's way either.. he lost 7 million dollars for refusing to attend work outs..what a dummy !!
That is assuming that you believe the Snyderrato version of events. I don't. I believe that we were going to cut Taylor unless he would take a pay cut to return. He of course said no, knowing that we would then cut him, which we did, making him free to go where he wants.

If Taylor thought that we would keep him and pay him his $8.5M salary, I am betting he would have said yes. He knew we wouldn't pay him that after his poor 2008 season.

That whole story about volunteering to pay him MORE money than the $8.5M contract called for just if he would work out here is complete and utter BS.

Vinny and Dan did not want to take the heat for their failed one-year rental, and so they concocted this story to make Taylor seem like the bad guy.

This is their M.O. - they do it time after time to make other people look bad and deflect blame from their own incompetence.

Examples-
FABRICATION: Steve Spagnuolo didn't refuse our offer to be Head Coach, he said that he did not feel he was ready to be a head coach yet. TRUTH: Spagnuolo refused our offer to be Head Coach, because he is a rising star and didn't want to tie his future to Dan and Vinny personnel ability. Funny how he got ready after one more year when the Rams and Billy Devaney came calling.

FABRICATION #1: Greg Williams dissed Joe Gibbs in the interviews, which is emblemetic of the arrogance that made us decide to go in another direction.
MORE LIKELY: Williams made it obvious in his interview that he wanted the job, but wanted to have a say in personnel over Danny and Vinny. That is a non-starter at Redskins Park. He refused to kiss either Dan or Vinny's but, and surprise, wasn't selected.
FABRICATION #2: And we were not the source of the leak of this information.
TRUTH: There were 3 people in the room, presumably: Snyder, Vinny and Williams-are we to believe that Williams leaked damaging information about himself?

FABRICATION #3: We don't traffic in leaks and anonymous sourcing, and Jason LaCanfora is an unethical journalist who no one should believe because he uses them.
FACT: Snyder and Vinny have been the sources for innumerable articles and stories without attribution. They have served as anonymous sources on stories that they wanted out there, but for political reasons do not want their names attached to. This is commonly done in sports, and in fact was used to cause the impeachment and resignation of a sitting president in 1974. Anyone ever heard of Deep Throat (no, not that one)!
And if you want concrete examples, see FABRICATIONS above. Those were all anonymous leaks from the FO. Criticizing LaCanfora or anybody else for this practice is the height of hypocrisy.

The dishonesty, hypocrisy and outright ineptitude of this FO never ceases to amaze me. Now Miami has the player and our picks, and we got 4 meaningless sacks out of it. This is one of the reasons why our FO continue to be a laughingstock around the league.

[JasonCampbell]

Vinny should never be allowed to do business with Parcells again.

[shally]

That is assuming that you believe the Snyderrato version of events. I don't. I believe that we were going to cut Taylor unless he would take a pay cut to return. He of course said no, knowing that we would then cut him, which we did, making him free to go where he wants.

If Taylor thought that we would keep him and pay him his $8.5M salary, I am betting he would have said yes. He knew we wouldn't pay him that after his poor 2008 season.

That whole story about volunteering to pay him MORE money than the $8.5M contract called for just if he would work out here is complete and utter BS.

Vinny and Dan did not want to take the heat for their failed one-year rental, and so they concocted this story to make Taylor seem like the bad guy.

This is their M.O. - they do it time after time to make other people look bad and deflect blame from their own incompetence.

Examples-
FABRICATION: Steve Spagnuolo didn't refuse our offer to be Head Coach, he said that he did not feel he was ready to be a head coach yet. TRUTH: Spagnuolo refused our offer to be Head Coach, because he is a rising star and didn't want to tie his future to Dan and Vinny personnel ability. Funny how he got ready after one more year when the Rams and Billy Devaney came calling.

FABRICATION #1: Greg Williams dissed Joe Gibbs in the interviews, which is emblemetic of the arrogance that made us decide to go in another direction.
MORE LIKELY: Williams made it obvious in his interview that he wanted the job, but wanted to have a say in personnel over Danny and Vinny. That is a non-starter at Redskins Park. He refused to kiss either Dan or Vinny's but, and surprise, wasn't selected.
FABRICATION #2: And we were not the source of the leak of this information.
TRUTH: There were 3 people in the room, presumably: Snyder, Vinny and Williams-are we to believe that Williams leaked damaging information about himself?

FABRICATION #3: We don't traffic in leaks and anonymous sourcing, and Jason LaCanfora is an unethical journalist who no one should believe because he uses them.
FACT: Snyder and Vinny have been the sources for innumerable articles and stories without attribution. They have served as anonymous sources on stories that they wanted out there, but for political reasons do not want their names attached to. This is commonly done in sports, and in fact was used to cause the impeachment and resignation of a sitting president in 1974. Anyone ever heard of Deep Throat (no, not that one)!
And if you want concrete examples, see FABRICATIONS above. Those were all anonymous leaks from the FO. Criticizing LaCanfora or anybody else for this practice is the height of hypocrisy.

The dishonesty, hypocrisy and outright ineptitude of this FO never ceases to amaze me. Now Miami has the player and our picks, and we got 4 meaningless sacks out of it. This is one of the reasons why our FO continue to be a laughingstock around the league.


bottom line is that no matter how it is parsed, Taylor is getting about 7 million dollars LESS than if he had played here this year.

we tend to disbelieve anything that comes out of snyderrato, on the other hand a contract is a contract..Marty got paid his salary after being fired by snyder.. who knows what would have happened if Taylor had done what was asked ?

and, yes, this front office should not be allowed to trade with anyone.
they are a disaster waiting to happen.. hopefully after this year, snyder will fire Vinny and hire someone competent.. will it happen ? i doubt it.. but, as long as i choose to root for this team, i have to hope for the best outcome.
otherwise, why bother ?

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

And yikes...wishing someone harm? What did Jason do to you?


obviously he did'nt personally to me,i just think he's lost all respect with a bunch of skins fans because he would'nt work out here in the off season.
he was gonna get paid 500 grand just to workout and that's on top of 8 million a year in salary.he never wanted to stay and he had every intention of leaving.instead of lying like hell,he needs to some guts and tell the truth.

[hail2skins]

bottom line is that no matter how it is parsed, Taylor is getting about 7 million dollars LESS than if he had played here this year.

we tend to disbelieve anything that comes out of snyderrato, on the other hand a contract is a contract..Marty got paid his salary after being fired by snyder.. who knows what would have happened if Taylor had done what was asked ?

and, yes, this front office should not be allowed to trade with anyone.
they are a disaster waiting to happen.. hopefully after this year, snyder will fire Vinny and hire someone competent.. will it happen ? i doubt it.. but, as long as i choose to root for this team, i have to hope for the best outcome.
otherwise, why bother ?It's not like he needs the money. Money isn't the motivator for everyone. He's earned some money already and will continue to earn it even after football.

If anyone is dumb in this situation, it is our front office. They rented him for a year with a high monetary cost and draft picks as well. Miami lost him for one season, got draft picks for it, saved money and now get him back real cheap. Taylor has been paid the whole time. So, who loses money here? We do and lot more.

[Keino]

didtn go Taylor's way either.. he lost 7 million dollars for refusing to attend work outs..what a dummy !!

I think the dummies here are the team that gave up a 2nd rounder.

The winners here are clearly the Dolphins who get a great player back at a serious discount, plus the aforementioned 2nd rounder.

This guy would like to weigh in on it Vinny:

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/378672/i/1843fs.jpg

[Biggie]

Someone asked me what I thought about the JT trade last year. I basically said this would happen.

They called me a pessimist.

[hogskins]

It's not like he needs the money. Money isn't the motivator for everyone. He's earned some money already and will continue to earn it even after football.

If anyone is dumb in this situation, it is our front office. They rented him for a year with a high monetary cost and draft picks as well. Miami lost him for one season, got draft picks for it, saved money and now get him back real cheap. Taylor has been paid the whole time. So, who loses money here? We do and lot more.

You've summarized the situation very succinctly. Our FO lost money, draft picks, face, and time for a longer range solution to get some work at DE. And bringing back a couple of aged retreads to fill roster spots at the position = insult on top of injury.

[shally]

I think the dummies here are the team that gave up a 2nd rounder.

The winners here are clearly the Dolphins who get a great player back at a serious discount, plus the aforementioned 2nd rounder.

This guy would like to weigh in on it Vinny:

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/378672/i/1843fs.jpg

totally agree the Skins were the big loser in the whole deal

but, Taylor still ends up making the least possible in this scenario..

[csquared]

obviously he did'nt personally to me,i just think he's lost all respect with a bunch of skins fans because he would'nt work out here in the off season.
he was gonna get paid 500 grand just to workout and that's on top of 8 million a year in salary.he never wanted to stay and he had every intention of leaving.instead of lying like hell,he needs to some guts and tell the truth.

So what do you say about Portis, Rocky, and Fletcher? They dont work out here either.

[Santheb]

Can the Redskins file something to the league for highway robbery? Cause that's what just happened.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

If anyone wants to know why so many of us have lost faith in this organization, well, they can start from this.
The Dolphins just made us look like complete morons.

[shally]

If anyone wants to know why so many of us have lost faith in this organization, well, they can start from this.
The Dolphins just made us look like complete morons.

same as the niners in the lloyd trade

same as the falcons in the duckett trade

the pattern is the same every time. our lack of depth becomes a critical issue after an injury, or acute need surfaces and our front office immediately overreacts and overpays in a bad trade.

plus, they constantly overestimate our overall talent level and believe that simply adding one player is all that is needed to secure a trip to the SuperBowl.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

So what do you say about Portis, Rocky, and Fletcher? They dont work out here either.


there is a huge difference between never and not doing it at all.

[csquared]

there is a huge difference between never and not doing it at all.

Huh??? What exactly are you trying to say? The above statement makes no sense.

From dictionary.com.......
nev⋅er
  /ˈnɛvər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [nev-er]
–adverb
1. not ever; at no time: Such an idea never occurred to me.
2. not at all; absolutely not: never mind; This will never do.
3. to no extent or degree: He was never the wiser for his experience.

So there is no difference between never and not doing it at all.

[dj_stouty]

obviously he did'nt personally to me,i just think he's lost all respect with a bunch of skins fans because he would'nt work out here in the off season.
he was gonna get paid 500 grand just to workout and that's on top of 8 million a year in salary.he never wanted to stay and he had every intention of leaving.instead of lying like hell,he needs to some guts and tell the truth.

If memory serves me right; Jason didn't say he wouldn't work out in the offseason....he said he wouldn't allow his contract to be re-worked to include that stipulation- especially since the Redskins were using the excuse that all players had that stipulation. (which was false) And I highly doubt any Redskins got up in arms over this; considering many of them dont' have a similar stipulation.

[Fathead]

The Dolphins just made us look like complete morons.


The dolphins didn't do anything. The FO does this all by themselves. The dolphins are just the latest beneficiary.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

This is just ridiculous. To people actually believe this crap. I rarely believe what comes out of Ashburn, but I am quite certain Snyder wasn't begging Taylor to stay on the team.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/miami-dolphins/story/1046965.html

Taylor accepted a bargain-rate contract to play for the Dolphins. He basically forced his way out of Washington this offseason and forfeited his $8.5 million salary in the process. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder flew to South Florida and met with Taylor at Joe's Stone Crab to try to convince the player to stay with the Redskins.

It didn't work.

''Look, if Jason was going to play it was going to be with Miami,'' agent Gary Wichard said. ``That's how he wanted it.''

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

No hard feelings towards JT......this is pretty embarassing, lol. And its not like they missed him at all on they're way to the playoffs. :doh:

[Ibleedburgundy]

Well I have hard feelings. I hope he fails to execute the lift in his next dancing contest. :mad:

[NamVet4]

With so much "spin" being put on this by the media and the members here at HR for all the speculative reasons, only JT and his agent know the truth. The only fact that stands out is that the Redskins had an injured, aging player who was misused in the defense. The Dolphins have that same player, back with them at a very low cost, plus a 2nd round draft pick!
CONCLUSION: Another indictment of the incompetence of GM Vincent Cerrato.

[dogfight6]

What surprises me is everyone is surprised. Vinny is a fool, Parcells is a great football mind and Taylor will be used correctly and will have double digit sacks maybe make the probowl. Face it gang as long as Dan wants to stick his nose in the football operations and Vinny is #2 the Skins are the new Det. Lions.

[Keino]

totally agree the Skins were the big loser in the whole deal

but, Taylor still ends up making the least possible in this scenario..

Yea, it sucks to only make a Million in a half. I wish I could have it so bad.

[shally]

Yea, it sucks to only make a Million in a half. I wish I could have it so bad.

it is all relative.. he was scheduled to make 7 X that amount.. that is a huge hit, no matter how you look at it

believe me, i would love to swap salaries with JT in a heartbeat.. but who knows what his financial picture is ? most ex NFL players end up on the bottom of the
economic ladder later in life.. guys like barry sanders or troy vincent are clearly the exceptions.. he has other advantages such as his TV appearances, but you never really know..

[dj_stouty]

Yea, it sucks to only make a Million in a half. I wish I could have it so bad.

As do I...but 1.5 million to Jason is probably only 15K to us. I sure as hell would'nt leave my job for 15K!

[shally]

As do I...but 1.5 million to Jason is probably only 15K to us. I sure as hell would'nt leave my job for 15K!

bet his agent was NOT so happy either..

[firehawk157]

What surprises me is everyone is surprised. Vinny is a fool, Parcells is a great football mind and Taylor will be used correctly and will have double digit sacks maybe make the probowl. Face it gang as long as Dan wants to stick his nose in the football operations and Vinny is #2 the Skins are the new Det. Lions.
I don't think the league sees JT as an elite talent anymore. It took until after the draft to get a one year contract for barely over the league min. If he was an elite talent, he'd have gotten signed quickly for a fairly large contract.

[Hr fan]

Link?

And yikes...wishing someone harm? What did Jason do to you?

The FO didn't want him around so they made up some BS excuse about changing the workout language in his contract; despite not making the change for all of their players. Sure, Jason was hurt for most of last season, but even when he wasn't - Blatche made sure to use him incorrectly.

I'll bet Jason gets double digit sacks next year just to spite Blatche and our FO clowns.

+1, and we still owe a #6 after the #2! Great job fo for trying to beat the Archuletta/Sanders deals!

[Skinz4lyfe]

Vinny should never be allowed to do business again.

There you go. I fixed it for you!


This is another case of our FO's knee-jerk reaction to our lack of depth. Start building from the draft and stop wasting draft picks; then maybe we can get some stability with this franchise. Good grief this is embarrassing.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The dolphins didn't do anything. The FO does this all by themselves. The dolphins are just the latest beneficiary.

Actually, you're 100% right. We are totally capable of embarrasing ourselves without help from others. It's like an art-form for Vinny and Danny.

[akhhorus]

He's made what, 70-100 million in contracts and endorsements in the last 10 years? And if he has a 10+ sack season, he'll get a big short term deal from any number of teams.

[shally]

He's made what, 70-100 million in contracts and endorsements in the last 10 years? And if he has a 10+ sack season, he'll get a big short term deal from any number of teams.

if his heart is still in it.. he could walk away from the NFL at any time.. he reminds me of Robert Smith that way.. i think this past season, in which he struggled with injuries for the first time in his career was a wake up call for him.. if he has any more injuries, i think he will call it a career quickly

[akhhorus]

if his heart is still in it.. he could walk away from the NFL at any time.. he reminds me of Robert Smith that way.. i think this past season, in which he struggled with injuries for the first time in his career was a wake up call for him.. if he has any more injuries, i think he will call it a career quickly

Maybe, maybe not. If there's no cap in 2010, someone will pay him 5-10 million to be a dedicated pass rusher in a 3-4 or Jim Johnson type scheme.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

he was very badly overpaid for his 1 year stint as a redskin.i'll leave it at that.

[Skins7ny]

bottom line is that no matter how it is parsed, Taylor is getting about 7 million dollars LESS than if he had played here this year....
Shally, I think you are missing the boat on this one. Jason Taylor's would NOT have made $8.5M if he had played here in 2009. Yes, he had a contract to play here in 2009 for that amount, but it was voidable at the team's sole option. The team cut Taylor rather than pay him that kind of money to play here in 2009.

Every contract in the NFL is really a series of one - year contracts with a team option. The team can cut the player virtually at any time for any reason. Because Taylor was in the last year of his deal, there wasn't even any salary cap charge for cutting him.

I am 99.99% confident that based upon his performance in 2008, and his poor fit in our system, we were not going to bring him back at his $8.5. contract price, even if he moved full-time into the weight room at Redskins Park an. I think we approached his agent about coming back at a reduced (albeit probably still very high) salary. His agent said no, knowing that would force the Skins into releasing Taylor so that he could have his freedom and preferably return to Miami.

We always had the option of bringing Taylor back at $8.5M.

If you think the reason is b/c Taylor refused to work out here this summer, then why aren't we cutting London Fletcher, McIntosh, etc., as csquared pointed out?

I think the dummies here are the team that gave up a 2nd rounder.

The winners here are clearly the Dolphins who get a great player back at a serious discount, plus the aforementioned 2nd rounder.

This guy would like to weigh in on it Vinny:

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/378672/i/1843fs.jpg
Elizabeth....Elizabeth....I'm coming to join you Elizabeth!!

So what do you say about Portis, Rocky, and Fletcher? They dont work out here either.
Bingo!
FABRICATION: We cut Taylor because he refused to work out here with his teammates.
FACT: We made a bad trade for an aging player who did not fit our scheme and whose natural position was already occupied by another player. We swore when we made the trade that he was more than a one-year rental. We cannot admit we made a mistake, so we will concoct this story about workouts and try to make Taylor look like the bad guy. Some people will believe it.
If memory serves me right; Jason didn't say he wouldn't work out in the offseason....he said he wouldn't allow his contract to be re-worked to include that stipulation- especially since the Redskins were using the excuse that all players had that stipulation. (which was false) And I highly doubt any Redskins got up in arms over this; considering many of them dont' have a similar stipulation.
Shawn Springs went 5 YEARS as a Redskin working out in Arizona, and the coaches loved him. The FO never once said (or leaked to the press) that Jason Taylor came to the team in bad shape last year, or that his conditioning contributed to him getting injured. He said he would work out religiously, but wanted to do it in Miami. There was no reason to doubt Taylor would come in this season in excellent condition and be ready to rumble.
What surprises me is everyone is surprised. Vinny is a fool, Parcells is a great football mind and Taylor will be used correctly and will have double digit sacks maybe make the probowl. Face it gang as long as Dan wants to stick his nose in the football operations and Vinny is #2 the Skins are the new Det. Lions.

I would bet the farm on the Dolphins using Taylor correctly, but would not expect him to get double-digit sacks. I think those days are over for him.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

according to espn,he has'nt been granted a roster spot and will have to earn his job back.i hope he has the worst training camp anybody can have.