Guantanamo Bay ~ ~ ~

[skinguy]

Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure
By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer Andrew Taylor – 11 mins ago

WASHINGTON – In a major rebuke to President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday to block the transfer of Guantanamo detainees to the United States and denied the administration the millions it sought to close the prison.The 90-6 Senate vote — paired with similar House action last week — was a clear sign to Obama that he faces a tough fight getting the Democratic-controlled Congress to agree with his plans to shut down the detention center and move the 240 detainees.

The vote came as FBI Director Robert Mueller told Congress that bringing Guantanamo detainees to the United States could pose a number of risks, even if they were kept in maximum-security prisons. Mueller's testimony to a House panel put him at odds with the president and undercut the administration's arguments for shuttering the facility.

rest of article > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090520/ap_on_go_co/us_congress_guantanamo

~ ~ this is gonna get good . . :readme:

[akhhorus]

Yet another thread of yours that's just posting someone else's article.

And this will be revisited in September, the appropriations committee stripped it out because they want to see what the plan is before funding it.

[shally]

Yet another thread of yours that's just posting someone else's article.

And this will be revisited in September, the appropriations committee stripped it out because they want to see what the plan is before funding it.

definitely will be a political football..i cannot see individual states wanting to take on these detainees, or prisoners..

maybe they go to military jails ?? or federal pens ? send them to Club Fed..

[akhhorus]

definitely will be a political football..i cannot see individual states wanting to take on these detainees, or prisoners..

maybe they go to military jails ?? or federal pens ? send them to Club Fed..

This is probably why they killed this appropriation. No one wants to vote for a political hot potato without knowing where they're going to. Military jails and federal pens are the problem: no one wants them going to their state--even if they were going to one of those places. Once the WH makes a decision on where to put them, congress will vote for it I think(except those who are getting 'stuck' with the detainees). They should go to Leavenworth, but the Kansas delegation is fighting it tooth and nail.

[SkinsASchamps]

This is probably why they killed this appropriation. No one wants to vote for a political hot potato without knowing where they're going to. Military jails and federal pens are the problem: no one wants them going to their state--even if they were going to one of those places. Once the WH makes a decision on where to put them, congress will vote for it I think(except those who are getting 'stuck' with the detainees). They should go to Leavenworth, but the Kansas delegation is fighting it tooth and nail.

Why leavenworth? Just wondering.

[shally]

This is probably why they killed this appropriation. No one wants to vote for a political hot potato without knowing where they're going to. Military jails and federal pens are the problem: no one wants them going to their state--even if they were going to one of those places. Once the WH makes a decision on where to put them, congress will vote for it I think(except those who are getting 'stuck' with the detainees). They should go to Leavenworth, but the Kansas delegation is fighting it tooth and nail.

louisiana got hosed badly with a lot of Cuban criminals during the Marielle (sp?) boat rescues when Castro emptied his jails and mental hospitals and sent those people to the USA.. a lot of them ended up in jails in louisiana where they were a drain on the state, and caused problems when they were released

[shally]

This is probably why they killed this appropriation. No one wants to vote for a political hot potato without knowing where they're going to. Military jails and federal pens are the problem: no one wants them going to their state--even if they were going to one of those places. Once the WH makes a decision on where to put them, congress will vote for it I think(except those who are getting 'stuck' with the detainees). They should go to Leavenworth, but the Kansas delegation is fighting it tooth and nail.

personally, since San Francisco has declared itself to be a "sanctuary city"
they should get every one of those people

[shally]

Why leavenworth? Just wondering.

Bob Dole has promised every one of them treatment for E.D.....lol

[akhhorus]

Why leavenworth? Just wondering.

Military prison.

louisiana got hosed badly with a lot of Cuban criminals during the Marielle (sp?) boat rescues when Castro emptied his jails and mental hospitals and sent those people to the USA.. a lot of them ended up in jails in louisiana where they were a drain on the state, and caused problems when they were released

Yeah, but we've held Al Queda members in our jails for years already. We have supermax so we can imprison terrorists(domestic and foreign) in isolation.

[SkinsASchamps]

Military prison.



Did not know that. Good deal.

[skinguy]

agreed.
i think most ( if not all ) of them will end up in leavenworth.



p.s. of course once this happens ; we'll start to hear how we " have to move-on " & release them , etc.

that's when the fun REALLY begins . . . :smash:


cheers ~ ~
:sun:

[akhhorus]

p.s. of course once this happens ; we'll start to hear how we " have to move-on " & release them , etc.

that's when the fun REALLY begins . . . :smash:


cheers ~ ~
:sun:

I don't know where you're making that up from, but anyone who can be linked to terrorism will be charged.

[BurgundyNGold]

I read that Obama asked for $80M to close GTMO. 80 freaking million dollars. How can it cost that kind of money to close down a facility? You just turn the lights out, lock the door and walk away. Hell, it probably didn't cost $80M to build it in the first place for chrissake.

[BurgundyNGold]

I don't know where you're making that up from, but anyone who can be linked to terrorism will be charged.
I could see a lot of these characters being transferred to Leavenworth until they are tried. Obama is moving ahead with military tribunals, so I doubt they'll be stored in Supermax in Colorado with Moussaoui and they can't just put them up in a Holiday Inn.

[skinguy]

fyi :

1 in 7 Freed Detainees Rejoins Fight, Report Found
By ELISABETH BUMILLER / Published: May 20, 2009

WASHINGTON — An unreleased Pentagon report provides new details concluding that about one in seven of the 534 prisoners already transferred abroad from the detention center in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, has returned to terrorism or militant activity, according to administration officials.

rest of article > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21gitmo.html?_r=1&hp

~ ~ like i said ; this is gonna be good . . :smash:


cheers ~ ~
:beer:

[BurgundyNGold]

fyi :

1 in 7 Freed Detainees Rejoins Fight, Report Found
By ELISABETH BUMILLER / Published: May 20, 2009

WASHINGTON — An unreleased Pentagon report provides new details concluding that about one in seven of the 534 prisoners already transferred abroad from the detention center in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, has returned to terrorism or militant activity, according to administration officials.

rest of article > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21gitmo.html?_r=1&hp

~ ~ like i said ; this is gonna be good . . :smash:


cheers ~ ~
:beer:
Honestly, I thought that number would be higher.

[akhhorus]

fyi :

1 in 7 Freed Detainees Rejoins Fight, Report Found
By ELISABETH BUMILLER / Published: May 20, 2009

WASHINGTON — An unreleased Pentagon report provides new details concluding that about one in seven of the 534 prisoners already transferred abroad from the detention center in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, has returned to terrorism or militant activity, according to administration officials.

rest of article > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21gitmo.html?_r=1&hp

~ ~ like i said ; this is gonna be good . . :smash:


cheers ~ ~
:beer:

So, we should just lock away everyone currently detained for life regardless of who they are? Don't worry, take your time finding a Neil Boortz article that speaks to this kelly.

I could see a lot of these characters being transferred to Leavenworth until they are tried. Obama is moving ahead with military tribunals, so I doubt they'll be stored in Supermax in Colorado with Moussaoui and they can't just put them up in a Holiday Inn.

There's only going to be about 20 military tribunals, the rest will be charged in the federal system I bet. They should put them in the Charleston brig(Padilla was kept there for years).

[akhhorus]

And it begins:

Link (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0eV_qZefmRQD98AAIMG0)

A top al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo Bay will be sent to New York for trial, an Obama administration official said Wednesday, a major step in President Barack Obama's plan to close the detention center by early next year. Ahmed Ghailani would be the first Guantanamo detainee brought to the U.S. and the first to face trial in a civilian criminal court. An official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to disclose the decision, told The Associated Press the administration has decided to bring Ghailani to trial in New York. He was indicted there for the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa — attacks that killed 224 people, including 12 Americans. It was not immediately clear when the transfer would occur.

Im sure guys like KSM would be tried in modified military tribunals, but this smells like a test case.

[shally]

Military prison.



Yeah, but we've held Al Queda members in our jails for years already. We have supermax so we can imprison terrorists(domestic and foreign) in isolation.

just send them to our allies the saudi's...or quietly to the syrians, depending upon which sect they belong to...

[Ibleedburgundy]

This seems to be one of those times where politics doesn't stack up against reality. Whether these people are held in Cuba, Germany, or Kansas is of little consequence. They aren't going to escape.

Obama wants to close down Guantanamo purely based on politics. Personally, I think it's a nice thought but of little practical value.

Republicans like Kitt Bond have been making complete asses out of themselves by pretending these terrorists are going to be driving the ice cream truck through your neighborhood. I guess our prisoners are good enough to be held in Cuba, Germany, and elsewhere but not in the "homeland" despite the fact that several AQ members have been held here for years.

Can't blame Senators for wanting a plan to be laid out by the DoD or administration. That's a perfectly reasonable request. But some of the statements made regarding this issue have been beyond stupid.

IMO, the real issue is how they will be tried.

[Fathead]

I think we should lease a frozen Canadian Island, drop em off, and let it be done.

[remaxjon]

I don't understand why they just can't be tried and put in federal prison. That is what we did with previous attacks before 9/11.

Seems like an easy solution was made hard by the Bush admin

[skinguy]

So, we should just lock away everyone currently detained for life regardless of who they are? Don't worry, take your time finding a Neil Boortz article that speaks to this kelly.



There's only going to be about 20 military tribunals, the rest will be charged in the federal system I bet. They should put them in the Charleston brig(Padilla was kept there for years).

" . . . Don't worry, take your time finding a Neil Boortz article that speaks to this kelly. . . "

Neil Boortz article ; ok, here ya go :


~ ~ HOW ABOUT A COMFORTING THOUGHT OF THE DAY
By Neal Boortz @ May 21, 2009 8:26 AM

One out of every seven detainees that are freed from Guantanamo Bay ends up returning to terrorism. This according to the Pentagon. But Barack Obama wants to close up shop in Guantanamo Bay. Our government can't figure out what to do with the remaining prisoners. Doesn't all this make you feel so warm and fuzzy?

Change you can believe in? Housing terrorists in the US instead of Gitmo. How's that work for you?

> http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html


cheers ~ ~
:beer:

[akhhorus]

" . . . Don't worry, take your time finding a Neil Boortz article that speaks to this kelly. . . "

Neil Boortz article ; ok, here ya go :


~ ~ HOW ABOUT A COMFORTING THOUGHT OF THE DAY
By Neal Boortz @ May 21, 2009 8:26 AM

One out of every seven detainees that are freed from Guantanamo Bay ends up returning to terrorism. This according to the Pentagon. But Barack Obama wants to close up shop in Guantanamo Bay. Our government can't figure out what to do with the remaining prisoners. Doesn't all this make you feel so warm and fuzzy?

Change you can believe in? Housing terrorists in the US instead of Gitmo. How's that work for you?

> http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html


cheers ~ ~
:beer:

You're too dense to appreciate what I said. Do you have any actual opinions of your own? Or do you just do nothing but parrot back what others say Kelly?

[skinguy]

Obama: 50 Gitmo detainees cleared for transfer
By LARA JAKES, Associated Press Writer – 20 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Forty-eight terror suspects currently held at Guantanamo Bay are waiting to be released to other nations, the Obama administration said Thursday. The detainees are among 50 detainees whose cases President Barack Obama said Thursday have already been reviewed. The detainees would be the first to be released to other nations under the Obama administration's effort to empty the Cuba-based prison without bringing all its inmates to the United States.

rest of article > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090521/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_guantanamo_detainees


~ ~ here we gooooo . . :smash:

[BurgundyNGold]

Obama: 50 Gitmo detainees cleared for transfer
By LARA JAKES, Associated Press Writer – 20 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Forty-eight terror suspects currently held at Guantanamo Bay are waiting to be released to other nations, the Obama administration said Thursday. The detainees are among 50 detainees whose cases President Barack Obama said Thursday have already been reviewed. The detainees would be the first to be released to other nations under the Obama administration's effort to empty the Cuba-based prison without bringing all its inmates to the United States.

rest of article > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090521/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_guantanamo_detainees

~ ~ here we gooooo . . :smash:
We'll have to see what happens. I'm not expecting many of these guys to be released into polite society anytime soon even if they are repatriated.

[shally]

We'll have to see what happens. I'm not expecting many of these guys to be released into polite society anytime soon even if they are repatriated.

they will be appearing on Oprah next week

[Ibleedburgundy]

Change you can believe in? Housing terrorists in the US instead of Gitmo. How's that work for you

Hate to pop your Republican bubble but the US already "houses" terrorists in our prisons.

Supermax Prisons in U.S. Already Hold Terrorists

...

But the apocalyptic rhetoric rarely addresses this: Thirty-three international terrorists, many with ties to al-Qaeda, reside in a single federal prison in Florence, Colo., with little public notice.

Detained in the supermax facility in Colorado are Ramzi Yousef, who headed the group that carried out the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993; Zacarias Moussaoui, convicted of conspiring in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001; Ahmed Ressam, of the Dec. 31, 1999, Los Angeles airport millennium attack plots; Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, conspirator in several plots, including one to assassinate President George W. Bush; and Wadih el-Hage, convicted of the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya.

Inmates in Florence and those at the maximum-security disciplinary barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., rarely see other prisoners. At Leavenworth, the toughest prisoners are allowed outside their cells only one hour a day when they are moved with their legs shackled and accompanied by three guards.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/21/AR2009052102009.html?wprss=rss_politics

Like I said. Beyond stupid.

[Ibleedburgundy]

The detainees would be the first to be released to other nations under the Obama administration's effort to empty the Cuba-based prison without bringing all its inmates to the United States.

~ ~ here we gooooo . .

Again, this is nothing new. The Bush administration had been releasing inmates from Guantanamo by the hundreds.

[akhhorus]

The NY Times is backtracking on that "1 in 7 gitmo detainees" story:

Link (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/05/tracing-propaganda.html)

NYT reporter Elizabeth Bumiller is backpedaling on her A1 story yesterday that blared "1 in 7 Detainees Rejoined Jihad," which was subsequently changed in the Web version to reflect a vaguer possibility: "Later Terror Link Cited for 1 in 7 Freed Detainees."

[skinguy]

they will be appearing on Oprah next week
oprah & katie couric will take turns french kissing ALL of them ~ ~ :eek:

[skinguy]

U.S. Relies More on Aid of Allies in Terror Cases
By ERIC SCHMITT and MARK MAZZETTI
Published: May 23, 2009

WASHINGTON — The United States is now relying heavily on foreign intelligence services to capture, interrogate and detain all but the highest-level terrorist suspects seized outside the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to current and former American government officials.

rest of article > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/world/24intel.html?_r=1&hp


~ ~ ok, now, i'm sure there are/will be " issues " w/this but;
this can work.


p.s. these guys are gonna wish they were in american custody . . :smash:

cheers ~
:beer:

[firehawk157]

U.S. Relies More on Aid of Allies in Terror Cases
By ERIC SCHMITT and MARK MAZZETTI
Published: May 23, 2009

WASHINGTON — The United States is now relying heavily on foreign intelligence services to capture, interrogate and detain all but the highest-level terrorist suspects seized outside the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to current and former American government officials.

rest of article > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/world/24intel.html?_r=1&hp


~ ~ ok, now, i'm sure there are/will be " issues " w/this but;
this can work.


p.s. these guys are gonna wish they were in american custody . . :smash:

cheers ~
:beer:
The greatest day in an insurgent's life is when they get transferred to American custody. Iraqi/Afghani prison guards tear those guys up.

[shally]

The greatest day in an insurgent's life is when they get transferred to American custody. Iraqi/Afghani prison guards tear those guys up.

you can bet that syria or iran isnt any picnic either for prisoners.. in fact, the entire middle east is not exactly a haven of rights of the accused..

[akhhorus]

The greatest day in an insurgent's life is when they get transferred to American custody. Iraqi/Afghani prison guards tear those guys up.

You have heard of Abu Gharib, right? And we do transfer some detainees to countries who torture them for us.

[skinguy]

You have heard of Abu Gharib, right? And we do transfer some detainees to countries who torture them for us.
" . . . And we do transfer ~ some ~ detainees to countries who torture them for us. "

~ " . . . some . . . " it should be " ALL " .
send all of them. . . :thinker:


cheers ~ ~
:beer:

[firehawk157]

From personal experience, a vast majority of insurgents prefer US detention to Iraqi.

[Ibleedburgundy]

From personal experience, a vast majority of insurgents prefer US detention to Iraqi.

Makes sense. But if you really want to put the fear of god into them, threaten to send them to Israel.

[akhhorus]

Makes sense. But if you really want to put the fear of god into them, threaten to send them to Israel.

I mentioned it before, but the most effective tool of a military interrogator unit in Afghanistan was to dress up an Italian American sergeant in an Israeli military uniform and have him tour the prison where they kept the detainees.

[shally]

I mentioned it before, but the most effective tool of a military interrogator unit in Afghanistan was to dress up an Italian American sergeant in an Israeli military uniform and have him tour the prison where they kept the detainees.

yup.. all they had to do was say he was from the Mossad..

[skinguy]

Palau to Take Chinese Guantánamo Detainees
By MARK LANDLER
Published: June 9, 2009

WASHINGTON — The United States has won an agreement to transfer up to 17 Chinese Muslims from the prison camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, to Palau, a sparsely populated archipelago in the North Pacific, according to a statement released by Palau to The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The president of Palau, Johnson Toribiong, said his government had “agreed to accommodate the United States of America’s request” to “temporarily resettle” the detainees, members of the Uighur ethnic group, “subject to periodic review.” Palau, the president said, would be “honored and proud” to take them in a “humanitarian gesture.”

rest of article > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/world/10palau.html?_r=1&hp

~ ~ this just might work :thinker:

[rfann]

Official: US may create terror interrogation unit
By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration is considering creating a special unit of professional interrogators to handle key terror suspects, focusing on intelligence-gathering rather than building criminal cases for prosecution, a government official said Saturday.The recommendation is expected from a presidential task force on interrogation methods that plans to send some findings to the White House on Tuesday.

The official said the panel, which has not completed its work, has concluded that the unit of intelligence and law enforcement agencies should be created. The task force is unsure which agencies should have a role, though the CIA and FBI are expected to be important players, according to the official, who was not authorized to publicly discuss the panel's work and spoke on condition of anonymity.Ben LaBolt, a White House spokesman, said President Barack Obama has not reviewed the task force's recommendations. The spokesman declined to discuss any findings. The recommendation about the new unit was first reported in Saturday's Wall Street Journal.

rest of article ---> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090718/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_terror_interrogations

- this should be good :thinker:

[tdmonk]

fyi :

One in 5 ex-Guantanamo detainees joining militants
By Adam Entous and Phil Stewart

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A classified Pentagon assessment shows one in five detainees released from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay has joined or is suspected of joining militant groups like al Qaeda, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.The disclosure comes amid revelations that former detainees were playing a leadership role in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula -- a Yemen-based group believed to be behind a failed plot to blow up a U.S. airliner on Christmas Day.

Under pressure to increase safeguards, President Barack Obama announced on Tuesday he had suspended the transfer of additional Guantanamo detainees to Yemen, citing the deteriorating security situation in the country.A previous Pentagon assessment last April showed that 14 percent of former detainees had joined or were suspected of joining militant groups, up from 11 percent in December 2008.

Two officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the new Pentagon assessment showed the percentage had grown to 20 percent . . .

rest of article ---> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100106/ts_nm/us_yemen_guantanamo_usa

[55fan]

fyi :

One in 5 ex-Guantanamo detainees joining militants
By Adam Entous and Phil Stewart

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A classified Pentagon assessment shows one in five detainees released from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay has joined or is suspected of joining militant groups like al Qaeda, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.The disclosure comes amid revelations that former detainees were playing a leadership role in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula -- a Yemen-based group believed to be behind a failed plot to blow up a U.S. airliner on Christmas Day.

Under pressure to increase safeguards, President Barack Obama announced on Tuesday he had suspended the transfer of additional Guantanamo detainees to Yemen, citing the deteriorating security situation in the country.A previous Pentagon assessment last April showed that 14 percent of former detainees had joined or were suspected of joining militant groups, up from 11 percent in December 2008.

Two officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the new Pentagon assessment showed the percentage had grown to 20 percent . . .

rest of article ---> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100106/ts_nm/us_yemen_guantanamo_usa
I figured some but not that many.