Penguins' Sidney Crosby gets no respect from peers [Archive]

CarMike

05-30-2009, 09:34 PM

LINK (http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/639433)

You'd think that there would be no better judges of an NHL player's talent than his peers.

But then you see that his peers don't think all that much of Sidney Crosby and there's no end of questions and speculation.

Don't they respect him? Don't they like him? Is he overrated? Over-hyped?

Crosby is once again in the process – it never ends really – of establishing himself as not only one of the best of this era but of any. The Penguins captain went into last night's game in Carolina leading all playoff scorers with 13 goals and may well be headed to a Stanley Cup final rematch with the Detroit Red Wings.

Yet a Sports Illustrated survey of 324 NHL players that asked who the best player in hockey is ranked Sid the Kid well down the list, in a tie for eighth place with only 1.9 per cent of the vote.

Not surprisingly, the runaway leader was Alex Ovechkin of the Capitals, with 51 per cent of the players naming him as the best of the best, well ahead of Red Wings defenceman Nicklas Lidstrom at 11 per cent.

And before BigCountry or some other Pens fan chimes in...I'm aware Crosby is still playing. Still doesn't take away that the majority of NHL players don't respect Crosbys game.

shally

05-30-2009, 09:55 PM

LINK (http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/639433)

And before BigCountry or some other Pens fan chimes in...I'm aware Crosby is still playing. Still doesn't take away that the majority of NHL players don't respect Crosbys game.

he is someone who will get more respect after he retires, then while he is playing..

he is a grinder... and a douchebag.. but i think he has a great, long career ahead of him.. i dont like him, but i would not hesitate to build a team around him..

CarMike

05-30-2009, 09:56 PM

I'd trade him for a 25 gallon jug of Orange Gatorade.

shally

05-30-2009, 10:09 PM

LOL

you might be a little biased..lol

he reminds me a little of a young Mark Messier..he needed Gretsky before it all came together for him...

BigCountry

05-31-2009, 03:41 AM

shally

05-31-2009, 08:34 AM

Doesn't bother me when no rational argument can be made that he's not a great player.

until he leads his team to a championship there will be questions about how "great" a player he is..

RedskinsDave

05-31-2009, 08:35 AM

He is a very good player but he is soft and is a whiner. I'd like to see how good he is without Malkin too.

CarMike

05-31-2009, 10:18 AM

He's a good player. No doubt. But things like that little shot he took Maltby after the game is the reason no one respects him.

He hangs around the goal looking for garbage.

MONK_in_HOF

05-31-2009, 10:34 AM

LOL

you might be a little biased..lol

he reminds me a little of a young Mark Messier..he needed Gretsky before it all came together for him...

What part of his game reminds you of Messier? Messier played more of a power game than Crosby does. Besides the fact that both are/were great players I see little similarity between their styles of play.

Edit: Never mind, I see you were comparing situations rather than skill sets/style of play. Anyhow, Crosby does have a superior talent in Malkin on his team and while he is no Gretzky he is still a top 3 player in the NHL.

CarMike

05-31-2009, 03:48 PM

Malkin > Sid

CarMike

05-31-2009, 03:49 PM

OMT, Sid should go ahead and shave that "beard" off. It's embarrassing.

give_portis_the_rock

05-31-2009, 04:17 PM

OMT, Sid should go ahead and shave that "beard" off. It's embarrassing.

lol @ people saying it's because he's young
If he isn't able to grow a beard by now, he never will...
He's 21 years old for God's sake

shally

05-31-2009, 06:19 PM

What part of his game reminds you of Messier? Messier played more of a power game than Crosby does. Besides the fact that both are/were great players I see little similarity between their styles of play.

Edit: Never mind, I see you were comparing situations rather than skill sets/style of play. Anyhow, Crosby does have a superior talent in Malkin on his team and while he is no Gretzky he is still a top 3 player in the NHL.

glad my comment was decipherable.. sorry, my bad..

i think messier was also a grinder.. few people outworked him. but, at this point in their careers, messier had the better shot and was a better skater.. both are/were very strong with the puck on their stick

messier was also at his best in big games over the years.. this is the first year that crosby really has come on in the semi's. we will see what he does in the finals

BigCountry

05-31-2009, 08:43 PM

ryflan47

05-31-2009, 08:46 PM

From an unbiased point of view (sorry Caps fans!! lol) I think he's a great player and I don't really mind him.

BigCountry

05-31-2009, 08:50 PM

From an unbiased point of view (sorry Caps fans!! lol) I think he's a great player and I don't really mind him.

Key phrase

CarMike

05-31-2009, 09:40 PM

You could have merged this thread with Stanley Cup final thread since their only real purposes are one big hater party so you can somehow feel better about the Pens eliminating the Caps. Hopefully we'll get a smidgen of hockey talk in their but it's doubtful.

boo hoo

Jump in. You don't have to wait till the series is over to talk hockey. Especially about your own team, rather they win or lose. More likely lose this series.

BigCountry

05-31-2009, 09:46 PM

boo hoo

Jump in. You don't have to wait till the series is over to talk hockey. Especially about your own team, rather they win or lose. More likely lose this series.

I'm not the one boo-hooing and I especially wasn't the one giving a play by play of every call I thought was in favor of the Penguins, neither was I the one boo-hooing in another forum after my team was outplayed in a 7 game series. I'm always the crybaby, but nobody says a word when others do. You guys should start taking your own advice.

RedskinsDave

06-01-2009, 06:13 AM

Awww somebodys feewings are hurt because we're not talking nice about his wittle pwayer. Cindy reaps what Cindy sows.

BigCountry

06-01-2009, 10:00 AM

Awww somebodys feewings are hurt because we're not talking nice about his wittle pwayer. Cindy reaps what Cindy sows.

Somebody's feeling were hurt alright and when their team went crashing out all I heard was refs this and Crosby that when in fact, Crosby took your caps to school and this is the best you're capable of dealing with it. I'm impressed though, takes a lot of nerve to call me a whiner when all I'm seeing here is bitter sore losing. I believe it's called projecting in psychological terms.

fent

06-01-2009, 10:21 AM

Somebody's feeling were hurt alright and when their team went crashing out all I heard was refs this and Crosby that when in fact, Crosby took your caps to school and this is the best you're capable of dealing with it. I'm impressed though, takes a lot of nerve to call me a whiner when all I'm seeing here is bitter sore losing. I believe it's called projecting in psychological terms.

query...how is it that you are a skins, lakers, ManU and penguins fan? are you also perchance a yankees or red sox fan?

CarMike

06-01-2009, 10:26 AM

query...how is it that you are a skins, lakers, ManU and penguins fan? are you also perchance a yankees or red sox fan?

J, don't forget he's also a VT fan. I'm sure since birth. I'm sure he's a VT basketball fan too. Not just a VT football fan.

And I love to see he's talking about Caps fans whining about officials. Check out the NBA thread where he's talking about the officials. lmao

BigCountry

06-01-2009, 10:58 AM

query...how is it that you are a skins, lakers, ManU and penguins fan? are you also perchance a yankees or red sox fan?

I've already answered this in another thread and frankly it's non of your business. I'm done explaining myself and you're going to hear what you want to hear anyway so I'm not wasting anymore of my time. Think what you like, I don't care.

BigCountry

06-01-2009, 11:01 AM

J, don't forget he's also a VT fan. I'm sure since birth. I'm sure he's a VT basketball fan too. Not just a VT football fan.

And I love to see he's talking about Caps fans whining about officials. Check out the NBA thread where he's talking about the officials. lmao

Laugh it up but I also admitted that's not why my team lost, unlike what you guys were saying.

I love this, don't have a response to what I'm saying, gang up on someone. This is getting a little tiresome. Nobody is allowed to disagree with a moderator without getting ostracized and being talked about in the 2nd person? Apparently this is high school and I'm not one of the popular kids. Darn.

fent

06-01-2009, 11:07 AM

Laugh it up but I also admitted that's not why my team lost, unlike what you guys were saying.

I love this, don't have a response to what I'm saying, gang up on someone. This is getting a little tiresome. Nobody is allowed to disagree with a moderator without getting ostracized?

nobody's ostracizing you for disagreeing with a moderator, but your fandom of strictly front running teams that run the geographical gamut (skins excluded) and your "you guys are all juvenile because you complain about the refs and villify other teams players" really grates on most people, as evidenced by the reaction you typically get.

BigCountry

06-01-2009, 11:16 AM

nobody's ostracizing you for disagreeing with a moderator, but your fandom of strictly front running teams that run the geographical gamut (skins excluded) and your "you guys are all juvenile because you complain about the refs and villify other teams players" really grates on most people, as evidenced by the reaction you typically get.

I grew up in Israel and England and that's where I started watching American sports. The first place we lived in Englad was Manchester, the 3 main teams they showed on TV in England in the late 80's/early 90's were the Giants, 49ers and Redskins and the first time I really watched hockey seriously was the 98 Nagano Olympics and I really liked watching Jagr so I started following the Pens. My dad is a Lakers fan and the first time i watched the NBA was the Bulls/Lakers finals series and I also ended moving there when I was 16. I didn't grow up here so I don't have a hometown team.

I didn't agree that the refs are why the Penguins beat the Caps and responded as such to the people that implied that. I got the exact same response when I've come out and said something similar, so why is it so different?

LATrueRedskin

06-03-2009, 02:45 PM

He is a very good player but he is soft and is a whiner. I'd like to see how good he is without Malkin too.

I agree. Especially when he complained to the refs when hats flew on the ice from Alex's hat trick. That was all I needed to see.

dj_stouty

06-04-2009, 08:10 AM

I'm not sure why Crosby gets so much attention...considering he isn't even the best player on his team; let alone the NHL.

Minnesota Mike

06-30-2009, 06:10 PM

I'm not sure why Crosby gets so much attention...considering he isn't even the best player on his team; let alone the NHL.

He is no better than #3 on his team behind Geno and M-A.

You can't spell Crosby without C R Y!

BigCountry

06-30-2009, 06:32 PM

He is no better than #3 on his team behind Geno and M-A.

You can't spell Crosby without C R Y!

And his full named, spelled C R O S B Y, will be on the Stanley Cup

shally

06-30-2009, 08:33 PM

And his full named, spelled C R O S B Y, will be on the Stanley Cup

he better enjoy it while it lasts...

cant wait to see the collisions next year between him and chris pronger, now that they will be playing each other 6-8 times per year--even before the playoffs..

Fathead

06-30-2009, 08:54 PM

BigCountry

06-30-2009, 09:03 PM

he better enjoy it while it lasts...

cant wait to see the collisions next year between him and chris pronger, now that they will be playing each other 6-8 times per year--even before the playoffs..

I whole heartedly agree, and I think he'll be fine. It'll be a great match up. The only thing is that Philly doesn't have forwards with the same defensive prowess Detroit does, but then again does anybody?

shally

07-01-2009, 01:12 AM

I whole heartedly agree, and I think he'll be fine. It'll be a great match up. The only thing is that Philly doesn't have forwards with the same defensive prowess Detroit does, but then again does anybody?

philly will live and die with their goalie.. they havent had a really good goalie since Hextall, actually maybe since Pelle Lindbergh. Biron was just good enough to get them beaten in the playoffs. they wont miss him at all. Nittimaki is no starter. Emery is the wild card.. from the neck down he was once as good as anyone, except named Brodeur.. from the neck up he was a head case.. it all depends whether he has lost what he once had

if philly can finally ease past pitts, they can handle detroit.. but that is a huge if..
pittsburgh is still a world championship team

smoak

07-01-2009, 06:55 AM

Doesn't bother me when no rational argument can be made that he's not a great player.

Agree, and quoted for emphasis. He has the hardware now.

Minnesota Mike

07-01-2009, 08:00 AM

And his full named, spelled C R O S B Y, will be on the Stanley Cup

Yes it will, ... thanks to Malkin and Fluery... and Max Talbot.

shally

07-01-2009, 09:51 AM

Yes it will, ... thanks to Malkin and Fluery... and Max Talbot.

fleury, especially, came up huge when they needed him.. i think he was the difference in the overall post season

BigCountry

07-01-2009, 10:21 AM

Yes it will, ... thanks to Malkin and Fluery... and Max Talbot.

Crosby really did have nothing to do with them winning the cup. It's also quiet the crazy concept that a team needed it's goal tender to come up big in order to win the cup. I remember Gretzky and Lemiuex were rushing down to their own zone, quicky putting on goalie equipment and stopping shots when they were winning cups.

shally

07-01-2009, 10:36 AM

Crosby really did have nothing to do with them winning the cup. It's also quiet the crazy concept that a team needed it's goal tender to come up big in order to win the cup. I remember Gretzky and Lemiuex were rushing down to their own zone, quicky putting on goalie equipment and stopping shots when they were winning cups.

still, it is the ability to make save after save that has a cumulative effect..fleury had a few games where he let in some "soft" goals.. but when they needed him to come up big, he did. over and over again.. and the final save in the last 7 seconds was the one that literally won the Cup for them.. if it goes into OT, who knows ?

MONK_in_HOF

07-01-2009, 11:26 AM

Minnesota Mike

07-01-2009, 11:31 AM

Malkin was good but Fluery was the difference in the series I thought. Starting pitcher and NHL goalie are the 2 positions in major team sports that can single handedly dominate a game.

Surprised they didn't give the Conn Smythe to Crosby anyway.

But for the 5-0 game against Detroit, the Conn Smythe probably would have gone to Fluery. Malkin was a good choice too though.

shally

07-01-2009, 11:32 AM

Malkin was good but Fluery was the difference in the series I thought. Starting pitcher and NHL goalie are the 2 positions in major team sports that can single handedly dominate a game.

Surprised they didn't give the Conn Smythe to Crosby anyway.

a great point guard or center can do the same thing.. when magic johnson was at his best, or when bill russell or kareem were dominant, they literally changed the way the game was being played

shally

07-01-2009, 11:33 AM

But for the 5-0 game against Detroit, the Conn Smythe probably would have gone to Fluery. Malkin was a good choice too though.

i dont think that the Pens would have even been in the finals were it not for fleury.. he really impressed me this post season

hockeygoalie29

07-01-2009, 12:56 PM

Crosby really did have nothing to do with them winning the cup. It's also quiet the crazy concept that a team needed it's goal tender to come up big in order to win the cup. I remember Gretzky and Lemiuex were rushing down to their own zone, quicky putting on goalie equipment and stopping shots when they were winning cups.

I will say if not for Crosby, the Penguins would not have made it past the Caps. He was their entire offense for the majority of that series. Fluery looked pretty average and Malkin was non-existent. So while Crosby may not have been the deciding factor in the finals, they would never have made it there without him.

MONK_in_HOF

07-01-2009, 01:16 PM

a great point guard or center can do the same thing.. when magic johnson was at his best, or when bill russell or kareem were dominant, they literally changed the way the game was being played

Eh, I disagree. Sure the best players of all time in their respective sport could/can dominate regardless of position and thus many time they revolutionize that sport. That is why they are the GOATs. However I don't feel the PG and C position are situated to single handedly dominate games the way MLB SPs or NHL goalies can. PGs and Cs can certainly be the most influential and impactful in any given game sure. But single handedly dominant to the point where they win games virtually by themselves when the surrounding team isn't producing?? Not so often IMO. The surrounding cast factors in too heavily in basketball.

Many times I have seen MLB SPs and NHL goalies, of all caliber, dominate games with their surrounding cast playing poorly. Really all a SP in dominant form needs is 1 run and routine fielding. Same for NHL Gs. All they need is 1 goal and they can basically do the rest by themselves. These two positions can single handedly shut out their opponents.
On the other hand I rarely see NBA games dominated/won by a single player with the surrounding cast playing poorly. Seldom if ever have I seen this done by an average NBA player.

Edit: Back on topic. Crosby, while good, is way overrated...and a wuss also.