2009 NCAA Football Thread

[CarMike]

Lets kick this off with some news on UF CB Janoris Jenkins:

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4221947)

Florida Gators starting cornerback Janoris Jenkins was arrested over the weekend and charged with fighting and resisting arrest without violence, police in Gainesville, Fla., confirmed.

Gainesville Police spokesman Lt. Keith Kameg says police saw Jenkins punch another man in the head shortly after 2 a.m. Saturday. When Jenkins continued fighting, they shot him with a Taser, and he tried to run away.

Kameg says Jenkins told police the fight started because he thought someone was going to steal the gold chain around his neck.

Jenkins' attorney Huntley Johnson says he believes his client acted in self-defense and prosecution will be deferred or charges dismissed.

A spokesman for the University of Florida's athletic association said no action has been taken.

Jenkins was named to the SEC Coaches' All-Freshman Team last year and became the second true freshman in school history to start at cornerback on opening day.

Joe Schad covers college football for ESPN. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

[CarMike]

UGA to pay nearly $1 million to play lesser Division I-A opponent

LINK (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/uga/stories/2009/06/01/georgia_pay_opponents.html)

The price surpasses the $925,000 Georgia will pay New Mexico State for a Nov. 5, 2011, game in Sanford Stadium. Louisiana-Lafayette will get $875,000 for coming to Athens for a Sept. 4, 2010, game.

Such prices reflect the rapid rise in the paydays commanded by lower-tier Division I-A programs that are willing to play in a BCS-level opponent’s stadium without demanding a return visit.

For Georgia, the economics make sense because an additional home date nets several million dollars. And for schools like North Texas, the paydays help fund their athletics programs.

And I was surprised UGa AD would say this, no matter how true it may be:

“You buy these games, let’s be candid, because you think they will be … not as difficult a win,” Evans said. “But we’ve seen that change some with parity in college football. If you go out and buy a game and lose, that’s a double whammy.”

[NCskinsfanatic]

Go Pack!

[dj_stouty]

Is it too early for a "Fire Groh" post?

[SkinsKY]

UGA to pay nearly $1 million to play lesser Division I-A opponent

LINK (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/uga/stories/2009/06/01/georgia_pay_opponents.html)



And I was surprised UGa AD would say this, no matter how true it may be:

As much as the NCAA says a playoff will cheapen the regular season, I think these gimme games cheapen it even more so.

[CarMike]

As much as the NCAA says a playoff will cheapen the regular season, I think these gimme games cheapen it even more so.

Couldn't agree more. And as time goes on, the Appalachian State upset of Michigan doesn't seem all that great any more. At the time, it was, but Michigan is not the team they used to be.

Still a great win for ASU, but it wasn't that great.

[CarMike]

Tennessee may have commited another recruiting violation

LINK (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-tennessee-espn&prov=ap&type=lgns)

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP)—Tennessee is looking into whether it committed another NCAA recruiting violation by allowing media to be present during a meeting between coach Lane Kiffin and recruits.

A segment of ESPN’s “Outside the Lines,” which aired Sunday, showed Kiffin in his office with two people identified by the network as recruits.

According to NCAA recruiting rule 13.10.1, “A member institution shall not permit a media entity to be present during any recruiting contact made by an institution’s coaching staff member.”

Tennessee spokeswoman Tiffany Carpenter confirmed the review, but declined further comment.

Tennessee has reported at least four minor recruiting violations since Kiffin was introduced as coach Dec. 1. Athletic director Mike Hamilton said recently the number isn’t any more than the school usually reports.

ESPN’s “Outside the Lines” segment, which recapped Kiffin’s first six months as coach of the Volunteers, also included a statement made by Kiffin’s former team, the Oakland Raiders.

Kiffin was fired in September for cause after what owner Al Davis described as acts of insubordination and lying. Kiffin filed a grievance and is seeking two months pay for the time he was unemployed before being hired at Tennessee.

“Lane Kiffin is a flat-out liar. He lied to the team, he lied to the fans, and he lied to the media,” the Raiders’ statement said. “He will try to destroy that university like he tried to destroy the Raiders, and will eventually clash with (women’s basketball coach Pat) Summitt and (men’s basketball coach Bruce) Pearl.”

Carpenter declined comment on the Raiders’ statement.

OUCH! lmao

[akhhorus]

Tennessee may have commited another recruiting violation

LINK (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-tennessee-espn&prov=ap&type=lgns)

OUCH! lmao

A prediction: Kiffin will be fired before the end of the 2010 season. He hasn't coached a game yet, but he's accomplished what Spurrier couldn't even do: pissed off the rest of the conference to the point where everyone wants to beat the crap out of him and run up the score to humiliate him.

I've heard Spurrier made some jokes about him at a gamecock club appearance, but there's not for a public forum lol.

[shally]

A prediction: Kiffin will be fired before the end of the 2010 season. He hasn't coached a game yet, but he's accomplished what Spurrier couldn't even do: pissed off the rest of the conference to the point where everyone wants to beat the crap out of him and run up the score to humiliate him.

I've heard Spurrier made some jokes about him at a gamecock club appearance, but there's not for a public forum lol.

read somewhere he bought himself a 2 million dollar house... hope the housing bubble doesnt deflate in tennessee

[CarMike]

A prediction: Kiffin will be fired before the end of the 2010 season. He hasn't coached a game yet, but he's accomplished what Spurrier couldn't even do: pissed off the rest of the conference to the point where everyone wants to beat the crap out of him and run up the score to humiliate him.

I've heard Spurrier made some jokes about him at a gamecock club appearance, but there's not for a public forum lol.

Regardless of what people say about Spurrier, I think most coaches like him personally. I'm sure there's some that truely dislike Spurrier, at the same time, i'm sure most of them respect Spurrier on the college level.

No one respects Kiffin. And for good reason.

[shally]

Regardless of what people say about Spurrier, I think most coaches like him personally. I'm sure there's some that truely dislike Spurrier, at the same time, i'm sure most of them respect Spurrier on the college level.

No one respects Kiffin. And for good reason.

might not apply to Phil Fullmer..lol

[akhhorus]

Regardless of what people say about Spurrier, I think most coaches like him personally. I'm sure there's some that truely dislike Spurrier, at the same time, i'm sure most of them respect Spurrier on the college level.

No one respects Kiffin. And for good reason.

Fulmer hates Spurrier with a passion lol. Quite a few others also. But he doesn't accuse coaches of cheating like Kiffin did(only to get immediately busted for violations also). Kiffin has a big name/ego staff around him, but he still doesn't have anything close to an SEC worthy team despite his good recruiting class. If they win 6 this year, I'll be surprised(and 2 of them will be Western Kentucky and Ohio U).

[CarMike]

LOL Fulmer was exactly who I was thinking of as well...lol

[dj_stouty]

read somewhere he bought himself a 2 million dollar house... hope the housing bubble doesnt deflate in tennessee

A 2 Million dollar house in Tennessee must be 20,000 square feet and comes with an airplane landing strip in the back yard.

Good luck trying to get some positive equity on that...

[Patrick]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME ...... the game that kicks off the 2009 college season:
Thursday, August 27th
DII: Northwest Missouri State at Abilene Christian 7:00 p.m. CBSC

[Dolla Bill]

2009 Coaches Poll.

Florida #1 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings?pollId=2&seasonYear=2009)

[Patrick]

2009 Coaches Poll.

Florida #1 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings?pollId=2&seasonYear=2009)
Boise State at #16- interesting. They beat Oregon (first game) and they could run the rest of thier schedule ..... Hmmmm another BCS bid

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Quack.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Bellotti is rollin over in his grave....

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Sportsmanship Week (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxAIcRHs1tk)

[dj_stouty]

Sportsmanship Week (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxAIcRHs1tk)

He is a coward.

First he runs his mouth prior to the game....
Then he plays like crap. (-5 total rushing yards and a sack in the endzone; also got stopped in his tracks on a crucial 3rd down)
Then he sucker punches a player who called him out for his original comments...
Then he tries to go into the stands and fight the fans.

Nothing but a big-mouthed coward. If you are going to run your mouth, be prepared to back it up...AND...be prepared to be called out on it if you were wrong.

Suspension time for Mr. Blount...

[SkinsKY]

Moron. The pre-game handshaking is lame as well.

[hockeygoalie29]

I wrote this in another thread but it's more appropriate here...

Too bad NC State couldn't take down South Carolina, I was looking forward to seeing the following headline:

"Wolf Down the Cocks"

:lol1:

[WarEagle]

Ramblings:

The start of the season is the big story down here, with local TV news coverage of RVs at Auburn and ATL. The Bama-Va Tech will be on ABC Saturday night. I think ESPN GameDay will be parked outside the GA Dome all day. A Bama starter was shot during a robbery earlier this week, so the team might be a bit distracted.

Auburn is a question mark this season, with a new coach and all. I have to note that the legendary Tracy Rocker is the new Aub defensive line coach. He hasn't stood on an Auburn sideline in 20 years. Feel the love, Tracy. La Tech always plays Aub tough. A scrappy little team.

[CarMike]

Surprised this isn't getting more ink. well, not really. But it should.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

come on NAVY

[WarEagle]

No more 5 yard penalties on facemasking anymore. All 15 yarders. I didn't know that.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

BYU looks solid and Id say def better than boise st

[Dolla Bill]

Sam Bradford injured his right shoulder, and is done for the night. They said its a sprained AC joint. I dunno how bad that is, but he's done for tonight.

[WarEagle]

Sam Bradford injured his right shoulder, and is done for the night. They said its a sprained AC joint. I dunno how bad that is, but he's done for tonight.

Oklahoma losses to BYU because of it, apparently. ESPN ticker says Bradford out for up to 3 weeks.

[Farmer Ted]

Oklahoma losses to BYU because of it, apparently. ESPN ticker says Bradford out for up to 3 weeks.

OU is never the same when Bradford gets knocked out of a game. The lost to CU two years ago in Boulder when he was knocked out in the first half. Speaking of which, I went to the CU-CSU game last night, and CU really sucks donkey balls. I think that when they're interviewing head coaching candidates in the next year or so, the first question will be "Do you have any sons?" and the second will be "Do any of them play quarterback, and are they entering college soon?" If the answer is yes to both questions, the interview will end right there and then.

[WarEagle]

OU is never the same when Bradford gets knocked out of a game. The lost to CU two years ago in Boulder when he was knocked out in the first half. Speaking of which, I went to the CU-CSU game last night, and CU really sucks donkey balls. I think that when they're interviewing head coaching candidates in the next year or so, the first question will be "Do you have any sons?" and the second will be "Do any of them play quarterback, and are they entering college soon?" If the answer is yes to both questions, the interview will end right there and then.

I still love the CU Bison mascot. :)

[RedskinsDave]

Terelle Pryor is a moron.

[SkinsASchamps]

Maybe I missed it but did anyone say anything about William and Mary beating UVA? Richmond beat Duke as well..

[CarMike]

Maybe I missed it but did anyone say anything about William and Mary beating UVA? Richmond beat Duke as well..

In the ACC thread. :)

[SkinsASchamps]

In the ACC thread. :)

O thanks. I will go there!

[Farmer Ted]

I still love the CU Bison mascot. :)

Yeah, Ralphie is pretty awesome. You have to see him in person to realize just how massive he is. The guys who run with him must be on meth.

[fent]

this is completely not safe for work if your monitor is visible to your coworkers, but i couldn't help but laugh when i saw this.

http://stories.icerocket.com/content/ou-selling-new-shirts

[CarMike]

this is completely not safe for work if your monitor is visible to your coworkers, but i couldn't help but laugh when i saw this.

http://stories.icerocket.com/content/ou-selling-new-shirts

:lol1:

[Farmer Ted]

Ohio St.-USC: I'm almost as pumped for this game as I am the Skins' opener.

Texas@Wyoming could be a little bit interesting, too.

[Farmer Ted]

Dear, lord, CU sucks. May have to register FireDanHawkins(andhisson).blogspot.com.

[WarEagle]

Dear, lord, CU sucks. May have to register FireDanHawkins(andhisson).blogspot.com.

Toledo is having their way with them. On ESPN. I think the CU faithful are gonna be unhappy about this.

[Farmer Ted]

Toledo is having their way with them. On ESPN. I think the CU faithful are gonna be unhappy about this.

Nah, they're just stoned out of their gourds, as usual.

[CarMike]

Wonder who gets fired first? Al Groh or Dan Hawkins?

[Farmer Ted]

Wonder who gets fired first? Al Groh or Dan Hawkins?

Hawkins is signed through 2012, so it's not going to be him.

[Dolla Bill]

For those who want Charlie Weiss as our head coach, I submit today's ND game as an example of not wanting him. 3 minutes to go, and instead of running the ball to run the clock out. Idiot calls for 2 passing plays that both went incomplete. Michigan gets the ball back, goes down the field and scores a TD to win the game.

Weiss = idiot

[WarEagle]

For those who want Charlie Weiss as our head coach, I submit today's ND game as an example of not wanting him. 3 minutes to go, and instead of running the ball to run the clock out. Idiot calls for 2 passing plays that both went incomplete. Michigan gets the ball back, goes down the field and scores a TD to win the game.

Weiss = idiot

I wonder what's up with Weiss. Maybe his success at NE was all Tom Brady. Sure fooled me.

[Farmer Ted]

Is their anything better than listening to Kirk Herbstreit as his Buckeyes get hammered?

[Dolla Bill]

Is their anything better than listening to Kirk Herbstreit as his Buckeyes get hammered?

How are they getting hammered? Its 7-7, and they just forced USC on a 3 and out.

[Farmer Ted]

Ok, he had to suffer through the slow bleedout tonite. He'll watch them get hammered in january.

[NFCEAST]

The Broncos looked good on the road in Fresno. Does anyone think they can run the table ?

[WarEagle]

Nifty match up between Ole Miss and SC tonight. SC winning 6-3 at the half. Announcer pointed out that the teams are a bit sloppy. I doubt the students will show up for Friday morning classes!

[akhhorus]

Norwood 3:16 says we just kicked your ass

[WarEagle]

Norwood 3:16 says we just kicked your ass

I saw that sign in the end zone with the bouncing students.
Big upset for SC. If Ole Miss had the flu earlier in the week, then it showed.

[SkinsKY]

Very good game by SC. I thought they were going to choke it away in those last few drives, but held on just enough.

[Patrick]

Very surprised at Ole Miss ........ Snead wasn't that impressive.

[akhhorus]

Very good game by SC. I thought they were going to choke it away in those last few drives, but held on just enough.

The defense needed a rest pretty badly so they could reestablish the pass rush. A couple injuries and timeouts gave them enough time to recover. I don't know why Ole Miss benched #22 in that final drive, he was killing us all night long.

Very surprised at Ole Miss ........ Snead wasn't that impressive.

Well, to be fair, SC has a relentless pass rush, and Snead didn't react well to it.

[Patrick]

The defense needed a rest pretty badly so they could reestablish the pass rush. A couple injuries and timeouts gave them enough time to recover. I don't know why Ole Miss benched #22 in that final drive, he was killing us all night long.



Well, to be fair, SC has a relentless pass rush, and Snead didn't react well to it. Agree but Snead is suppose to be one of the top QBs for 2009 and as you said - he didn't react well to it. Not taking anything away from SC but he's going to be facing tougher D than what he faced last night - YIKES.

[akhhorus]

Agree but Snead is suppose to be one of the top QBs for 2009 and as you said - he didn't react well to it. Not taking anything away from SC but he's going to be facing tougher D than what he faced last night - YIKES.

He's going to be facing Norwood and Matthews on sundays before long also lol. Snead should stay in college for next year also, he's not going to leapfrog Bradford or McCoy looking like that.

[CarMike]

akh, I was feeling for you last night when the score was 9-3. First the Redskins and the Gamecocks not being able to score a TD. At least one finally scored a TD...

[akhhorus]

akh, I was feeling for you last night when the score was 9-3. First the Redskins and the Gamecocks not being able to score a TD. At least one finally scored a TD...

yeah lol. at least we put up 30 on UGA. and have..you know...a good young qb...and an oline...and don't make stupid red zone calls.

[nicefellow31]

Very surprised at Ole Miss ........ Snead wasn't that impressive.

Yeah he looked totally frustrated. Another year of college football won't hurt him.

[SkinsKY]

The defense needed a rest pretty badly so they could reestablish the pass rush. A couple injuries and timeouts gave them enough time to recover. I don't know why Ole Miss benched #22 in that final drive, he was killing us all night long.



Well, to be fair, SC has a relentless pass rush, and Snead didn't react well to it.

Yeah, I didn't understand why McClucker was benched. I also didn't know why Spurrier kept passing on first down, but you ended up okay.

Snead didn't look pro level at all. This is why I hate preseason polls. Ole Miss is clearly not a top 5 team, and wouldn't have been close to that if they hadn't started the season so high.

[Farmer Ted]

Gotta love the 'Erin Andrews for Heisman' sign that was on Gameday for about 2 minutes.

[WarEagle]

Some very entertaining games today so far. LSU-UGA was exciting at the end. That excessive celebration penalty was bogus. Cost UGA the game, I think. Now ND-Wash is in OT. My Aubs play Tenn tonight.

[NFCEAST]

Some very entertaining games today so far. LSU-UGA was exciting at the end. That excessive celebration penalty was bogus. Cost UGA the game, I think. Now ND-Wash is in OT. My Aubs play Tenn tonight.

Nice win on the road for the War Eagles. Those guys are playing hard right now. Plus its always nice to see the vols lose anytime.

[WarEagle]

Nice win on the road for the War Eagles. Those guys are playing hard right now. Plus its always nice to see the vols lose anytime.

That's a tough stadium. 105,000 hillbillies...!

[nicefellow31]

Nice win on the road for the War Eagles. Those guys are playing hard right now. Plus its always nice to see the vols lose anytime.

180 degree turn on offense from last years team. They are exciting to watch. That 2-0 game against Miss St was the most borring game known to man.

[WarEagle]

My Weagles were humiliated in Arkansas. Hope the Bison beats Texas. I'm watching the Fla-LSU game and I'm distracted by Tebow's brain safety.

[BurgundyNGold]

My Weagles were humiliated in Arkansas. Hope the Bison beats Texas. I'm watching the Fla-LSU game and I'm distracted by Tebow's brain safety.
I really don't see the big deal about Tebow. He looks like about 234984189234 oher college QBs that will flounder in the NFL. He's also not learning the requisite skills to actually be a real QB at the next level. He looks to project to TE lol.

[akhhorus]

I really don't see the big deal about Tebow. He looks like about 234984189234 oher college QBs that will flounder in the NFL. He's also not learning the requisite skills to actually be a real QB at the next level. He looks to project to TE lol.

He should move to TE, but he's driven by wanting to prove everyone wrong and there's a dumb team(cough cough jacksonville cough cough) that will take him high and try to make him a QB. He can forget about running in the pros, he'll get killed. And has the same problems that Alex Smith(another Urban Meyer QB) had: weak arm, shaky decision making and thinks he's unstoppable.

[WarEagle]

I think Tebow wants to be a professional missionary anyway. But that game tonight was like watching soccer. Good gawd, it was killing me.

[SkinsKY]

Tough loss for my Cats at Carolina. I give them credit for sticking in it despite not playing our top two corners and losing our starting QB (possibly for the season). We've just got to beat Carolina one of these days.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Dook beat State lmao.

[akhhorus]

Tough loss for my Cats at Carolina. I give them credit for sticking in it despite not playing our top two corners and losing our starting QB (possibly for the season). We've just got to beat Carolina one of these days.

I was in the audience when Kentucky last beat Carolina. Loooooooong time ago lol. That was a good game, Kentucky just didn't have an answer for Alshon Jeffery.

[Farmer Ted]

My Weagles were humiliated in Arkansas. Hope the Bison beats Texas. I'm watching the Fla-LSU game and I'm distracted by Tebow's brain safety.

Dan Hawkins is such a gutless loser. I cannot believe that he wasted another red-shirt season on Tyler Hansen on saturday after his son threw the awful pick-6 in the 3d quarter. That was disgusting, he should've put one of the other QB's in and let Hansen keep his red-shirt. Pulling his son out when he's getting killed to let another QB get killed (when he clearly wasn't prepared to play because he was sitting out the season) was awful. Hawkins will do well when he's back coaching in the WAC.

[CarMike]

Tough loss for my Cats at Carolina. I give them credit for sticking in it despite not playing our top two corners and losing our starting QB (possibly for the season). We've just got to beat Carolina one of these days.

We didn't play you guys.

ducks from akhs empty whiskey bottle.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

R Kansas

[Dolla Bill]

Its a shame that the refs decided to get involved in the Florida/Arkansas game. Two bogus calls against Arkansas leads to the tying TD.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Its a shame that the refs decided to get involved in the Florida/Arkansas game. Two bogus calls against Arkansas leads to the tying TD.

They got home cookin in baton rouge as well. They get calls like duke does in bball.

[WarEagle]

Its a shame that the refs decided to get involved in the Florida/Arkansas game. Two bogus calls against Arkansas leads to the tying TD.

Those were really bad calls at a critical time in the game for FLA. Kudos to the announcer for pointing them out, too. SEC needs better referees.

[BigCountry]

Anyone catching the South Carolina Alabama game? If I went into a draft needing defenders and only got players from the two defenses on the field today I'm going home happy.

[akhhorus]

Anyone catching the South Carolina Alabama game? If I went into a draft needing defenders and only got players from the two defenses on the field today I'm going home happy.

Eric Norwood has Lamar Woodley written all over him. Matthews could be a fast, rangy DE like Jevon Kearse. Culliver and Stewart probably should be 3-4th round picks. Whats scary is that Spurrier is playing a lot of true freshman on both sides of the ball. #5 on defense for SC is a converted QB who rarely played defense in high school. Bama is loaded with great defenders also--especially in the back 7. Their LB corps could start in the NFL today.

[SkinsKY]

War Wildcat!

Big win on the road to end another one of those wretched streaks (15 straight to Auburn).

We're looking good for another bowl game, and I like our chances at 7-8 wins (assuming we take Miss St and Tenn at home.)

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Hold +17!!!!!

[WarEagle]

War Wildcat!

Big win on the road to end another one of those wretched streaks (15 straight to Auburn).

We're looking good for another bowl game, and I like our chances at 7-8 wins (assuming we take Miss St and Tenn at home.)

My Aubies were flat. Congrats on the ZERO penalties tonight, Wildcats (cough/cough..). You shoulda heard the Auburn radio announcers. :(

[SkinsKY]

My Aubies were flat. Congrats on the ZERO penalties tonight, Wildcats (cough/cough..). You shoulda heard the Auburn radio announcers. :(

Having not seen you guys before this game, the playcalling seemed like they were trying to get too tricksy. Maybe it's the norm, but it didn't seem like it did you any favors.

We got away with a couple PI calls (both offensive and defensive), but you guys also got hit with a lot of false start and and stuff that's pretty objective, although I thought the refs blew the call on the swinging gate play. That was a great play call and it could of been huge if the refs were on it.

[WarEagle]

Having not seen you guys before this game, the playcalling seemed like they were trying to get too tricksy. Maybe it's the norm, but it didn't seem like it did you any favors.

We got away with a couple PI calls (both offensive and defensive), but you guys also got hit with a lot of false start and and stuff that's pretty objective, although I thought the refs blew the call on the swinging gate play. That was a great play call and it could of been huge if the refs were on it.

The Aub announcers laughed when the refs finally appeared to penalize KY, they picked up the flag and waived off the penalty. That was in the 4th qtr, I think. (I don't get ESPNU, so listened to the broadcast.) I don't mean to be picky about the refs- Aub was just flat tonight.

[WarEagle]

Hey Farmer Ted- Did the Buffalo upset a ranked team on Saturday? Why yes they did! Share your joy with us. ;) Go Colorado!

[CarMike]

Arkansas got hosed yesterday. It's clear that SEC/ESPN wants/needs Florida in the SEC/ESPN Championship game.

[WarEagle]

Arkansas got hosed yesterday. It's clear that SEC/ESPN wants/needs Florida in the SEC/ESPN Championship game.

I think the voters agreed. Bama vaults to #1.

[Farmer Ted]

Hey Farmer Ted- Did the Buffalo upset a ranked team on Saturday? Why yes they did! Share your joy with us. ;) Go Colorado!

That was pretty shocking, but I think that Kansas was a bit over-rated. Still, a win's a win. Maybe they have a shot at .500 this year. Hip-Hip-Hooray!

[WarEagle]

Breaking News: The SEC officiating crew who blew the calls in both the UGA-LSU game and the ARK-FLA game has been suspended. They won't work for at least 2 weeks. Just heard this on the sports talk here.

[Farmer Ted]

Breaking News: The SEC officiating crew who blew the calls in both the UGA-LSU game and the ARK-FLA game has been suspended. They won't work for at least 2 weeks. Just heard this on the sports talk here.

I think he's now working all the Yankees' games.

[WarEagle]

I think he's now working all the Yankees' games.

Heard an announcer on ESPN say today that the umpiring has been terrible in the playoffs.

[Farmer Ted]

Heard an announcer on ESPN say today that the umpiring has been terrible in the playoffs.

SAFE!!! (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Umpire-Tim-McClelland-makes-the-worst-call-of-al;_ylt=Ar2JW7MOwLdzMKj1FMjkz_sRvLYF?urn=mlb,19721 0)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2453/4035199104_4437c64cf0_m.jpg

[WarEagle]

Bama got lucky against that juggernaut Tennessee. lol

[WarEagle]

Coach Mike Leach slams Texas Tech co-eds & players for loss to A&M. Too funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6brYtuPX-Q

[BigTex]

Coach Mike Leach slams Texas Tech co-eds & players for loss to A&M. Too funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6brYtuPX-Q

Leach has done this so many times during his time in Lubbock and it never stops being funny. I'm a Longhorn fan, but man Leach is just hilarious!

[WarEagle]

Leach has done this so many times during his time in Lubbock and it never stops being funny. I'm a Longhorn fan, but man Leach is just hilarious!

He was the subject of a 60 Minutes segment the past couple years. What a character! :D

[WarEagle]

Dear USC,

How does it feel?

Signed,

Everyone.

[WarEagle]

Big game Saturday is LSU at Bamer. Should be a good one. Bama looked ragged against Tennessee 2 wks ago, so it'll be interesting to see what Saban has done to improve things.

[shally]

Penn goes up to Harv-erd and smokes those overrated turkeys 17-7

great win for the Penn Quakers who will win the Ivy this year

[CarMike]

Stanford HAMMERED Southern Cal today. 55-21? I think that was the final score. What in the world has happened to the Trojans defense?

[Dolla Bill]

Stanford HAMMERED Southern Cal today. 55-21? I think that was the final score. What in the world has happened to the Trojans defense?

Most of them are playing for the NFL this year.

[SkinsKY]

UK is bowl eligible for the fourth straight year, which has never happened for us, so today's win over the Vanderbilt Fighting Protractors was very big. In the off chance we beat UGA and those low-down dirty snitches of Lane Kiffin, I think we finish 2nd in the East. Unlikely, but for a team full of question marks, it's been a good showing so far.

[CarMike]

Most of them are playing for the NFL this year.

Well, yeah, but they are like UNC in basketball. You don't rebuild you just reload. :)

Seriously, they have some of the top defensive players in the country playing there on defense and offense. No way Stanfor should put up 55 points against them but also to hold the Trojans to 21 points.....AT USC!

[shally]

another close loss to UConn in OT.. i think Weis is done at Notre Dame after this year.. 6-5 with Stanford (?) coming up

Clausen had 325 yards passing

[CarMike]

another close loss to UConn in OT.. i think Weis is done at Notre Dame after this year.. 6-5 with Stanford (?) coming up

Clausen had 325 yards passing

The funny thing is that when Weiss took over the ND program back in 2004 he made the statement that ND is better than a 6-5 record. [The record they were before he took over] He stated at the time that a 6-5 record wouldn't be good for him either. As in if I'm 6-5 down the road then fire me too. lol

I wonder if he's thinking that today? lol

[SkinsKY]

UK pulled a big win at UGA, to go to seven wins on the year. For all the questions on this team, we've done real well and it's a shame we didn't play better against USCjr and Miss St. A win over Lane Kiffin gives us second place in the East. A great year for our seniors who will go to bowl games in all four years.

[akhhorus]

UK pulled a big win at UGA, to go to seven wins on the year. For all the questions on this team, we've done real well and it's a shame we didn't play better against USCjr and Miss St. A win over Lane Kiffin gives us second place in the East. A great year for our seniors who will go to bowl games in all four years.

South Carolina was here first. The one in Cali is jr lol.

And Richt might get canned from what I understand.

[CarMike]

South Carolina was here first. The one in Cali is jr lol.

And Richt might get canned from what I understand.

Georgia would be stupid to fire Richt.

[CarMike]

Miles and his last second blunder. Not only a bad coach, but a liar too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9kfnJvB6Q

[Farmer Ted]

Penn goes up to Harv-erd and smokes those overrated turkeys 17-7

great win for the Penn Quakers who will win the Ivy this year

I hate Harvard. And Yale loses because they try a fake punt on their own 26 yard line with 2 minutes to go and when it's 4th and 22. The dude picked up 14 yards, though, so it was probably better than the punt would have been.

[WarEagle]

Miles and his last second blunder. Not only a bad coach, but a liar too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9kfnJvB6Q

And this is the big topic of discussion on sports talk down here today. He didn't have a plan for what would happen if the receiver caught the hail mary pass. And his time management had been terrible in the last moments anyway. Stupid!

[CarMike]

And you know he's hating YouTube today. lol

[WarEagle]

UK pulled a big win at UGA, to go to seven wins on the year. For all the questions on this team, we've done real well and it's a shame we didn't play better against USCjr and Miss St. A win over Lane Kiffin gives us second place in the East. A great year for our seniors who will go to bowl games in all four years.

KY has Tennessee coming up in Lexington. Pat Dye was on the radio down here today bragging on Coach Brooks. Said he beat AU and UGA at home and that they're going to give Tenn a run for their money. Said "Brooks had 'em runnin' around like trained pigs." That's a compliment. :)

[SkinsKY]

KY has Tennessee coming up in Lexington. Pat Dye was on the radio down here today bragging on Coach Brooks. Said he beat AU and UGA at home and that they're going to give Tenn a run for their money. Said "Brooks had 'em runnin' around like trained pigs." That's a compliment. :)

Ha. I'll take it. We forced four turnovers in the second half, which was huge. I guess 6-6 this year, but a chance at 8 wins is great.

I met Morgan Newton tonight (our true freshmen QB). Very nice kid and a legit 6'5" 240lbs. He'll be stud by the time he's done. We haven't beat UT since 1984, so it'll be nice to get a win and hopefully an Outback Bowl spot, but at least the Chick-fil-A Bowl.

Richt shouldn't get fired for losing to us. It stings a lot worse because it's UK, but our conference play says we're as good as any other mid-tier SEC team this season.

[WarEagle]

Ha. I'll take it. We forced four turnovers in the second half, which was huge. I guess 6-6 this year, but a chance at 8 wins is great.

I met Morgan Newton tonight (our true freshmen QB). Very nice kid and a legit 6'5" 240lbs. He'll be stud by the time he's done. We haven't beat UT since 1984, so it'll be nice to get a win and hopefully an Outback Bowl spot, but at least the Chick-fil-A Bowl.

Richt shouldn't get fired for losing to us. It stings a lot worse because it's UK, but our conference play says we're as good as any other mid-tier SEC team this season.

Absolutely. (Morgan sounds too big for a QB. Frankenstein size.)
I liked it when fans in Oxford and Lexington celebrated on Saturday. That's good for the SEC.
The dig on Richt that I heard was that he has too much talent on his team to be losing these kinds of games.

[WarEagle]

Colt McCoy looked great last night against A&M. Made a statement for the Heisman, I think.

And I sure hope Auburn wins today! :)

[redbamaskins]

auburn came close to winning today,played their hearts out. nice game war eagle.

[WarEagle]

auburn came close to winning today,played their hearts out. nice game war eagle.

Yeah, I'm glad my guys weren't blown out. A real classic. Long drive home for the Tiger fans.

[WarEagle]

SEC News:
Gators standout defensive back Carlos Dunlap has been suspended by Urban due to an early morning DUI. Cops caught him sound asleep in his car at a stop light. So, he will not play in the Alabama game this weekend.

Auburn will play Wisconsin in the Jan 1st Outback Bowl down in Tampa. This is a nice upgrade for the Tigers, and surely due to the exciting Iron Bowl last week.

[SkinsKY]

SEC News:
Gators standout defensive back Carlos Dunlap has been suspended by Urban due to an early morning DUI. Cops caught him sound asleep in his car at a stop light. So, he will not play in the Alabama game this weekend.

Auburn will play Wisconsin in the Jan 1st Outback Bowl down in Tampa. This is a nice upgrade for the Tigers, and surely due to the exciting Iron Bowl last week.
I'm not sure how Auburn made the Outback over Tenn (kiffin and tampa and all), but the real losers are UGa. They were likely the CFA bowl choice and going to put Richt against Bowden in his last game. But, the Gator Bowl takes Bobby B, CFA takes the felony squad, Music City always takes us, Arkansas is in the Independence and UGa goes from CFA to the Liberty Bowl. Uga VII is probably rolling in his doghouse right now.

[WarEagle]

I'm not sure how Auburn made the Outback over Tenn (kiffin and tampa and all), but the real losers are UGa. They were likely the CFA bowl choice and going to put Richt against Bowden in his last game. But, the Gator Bowl takes Bobby B, CFA takes the felony squad, Music City always takes us, Arkansas is in the Independence and UGa goes from CFA to the Liberty Bowl. Uga VII is probably rolling in his doghouse right now.

I don't know what the Outback scouts look for. Aub had a turrible, turrible second half of the season after a strong start. But are Aub fans more likely to drive down to Tampa than KY fans? Maybe fan travel habits were considered. And (I looked this up) Aub hasn't been to Tampa since '96, which surprised me. Maybe they pressured the Outback people after the Iron Bowl last week. I'd love to know the story.

[Farmer Ted]

My prediction: Nebraska beats Texas this weekend in a low scoring game.

[SkinsKY]

I don't know what the Outback scouts look for. Aub had a turrible, turrible second half of the season after a strong start. But are Aub fans more likely to drive down to Tampa than KY fans? Maybe fan travel habits were considered. And (I looked this up) Aub hasn't been to Tampa since '96, which surprised me. Maybe they pressured the Outback people after the Iron Bowl last week. I'd love to know the story.

UK fans will travel anywhere, and fans were hoping for a different place than Nashville (this will be three of the last four there). I'm sure Auburn travels well, but we don't need much of a reason to travel to a new place and drink. :)

One site I read said it might have been that Aub guaranteed certain ticket sales. which may be it but I don't know. It's a weird turn, and in the end I think we were always in the Music City. I just figured it'd be the parolees in Tampa. We're in a bowl for the fourth straight year and maybe an 8 win season. I can't get too greedy.

[akhhorus]

UK fans will travel anywhere, and fans were hoping for a different place than Nashville (this will be three of the last four there). I'm sure Auburn travels well, but we don't need much of a reason to travel to a new place and drink. :)

One site I read said it might have been that Aub guaranteed certain ticket sales. which may be it but I don't know. It's a weird turn, and in the end I think we were always in the Music City. I just figured it'd be the parolees in Tampa. We're in a bowl for the fourth straight year and maybe an 8 win season. I can't get too greedy.

Its odd because the Outback bowl is usually reserved for SEC-East schools.

Btw, its 99% certain that the Gamecocks will be going to the Papajohns bowl.

[WarEagle]

UK fans will travel anywhere, and fans were hoping for a different place than Nashville (this will be three of the last four there). I'm sure Auburn travels well, but we don't need much of a reason to travel to a new place and drink. :)

One site I read said it might have been that Aub guaranteed certain ticket sales. which may be it but I don't know. It's a weird turn, and in the end I think we were always in the Music City. I just figured it'd be the parolees in Tampa. We're in a bowl for the fourth straight year and maybe an 8 win season. I can't get too greedy.

KY deserved the Outback over Auburn (they beat 'em, afterall). You should see the events planned for the players that week: Sponsored dinners almost every night; trip to an NHL hockey game; trip to a childrens' hospital; trip to Busch Gardens; competition on the beach; a parade. I can see why the players preferred it over the Liberty Bowl.

[SkinsKY]

Its odd because the Outback bowl is usually reserved for SEC-East schools.

Btw, its 99% certain that the Gamecocks will be going to the Papajohns bowl.

That makes sense. I know that one and and another played at the same time as the UK/Louisville BBall game, so it's unlikely we would take that one.

KY deserved the Outback over Auburn (they beat 'em, afterall). You should see the events planned for the players that week: Sponsored dinners almost every night; trip to an NHL hockey game; trip to a childrens' hospital; trip to Busch Gardens; competition on the beach; a parade. I can see why the players preferred it over the Liberty Bowl.

I agree with you, but I thought UT was in Tampa. I had figured we'd be 2nd in line, but I guess not. Oh well, next time we'll just have to beat tenn. But, we've been saying that since 1984, so who knows when it will happen.

[akhhorus]

Mangino fired at Kansas (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-Mangino-out-at-Kansas-4745.html)

[WarEagle]

Alabama vs. Florida in the SEC Championship Game. I don't see Nick Saban losing to Urban two years in a row. Part of the reason Bama looked lame in the Aub game was that they were looking ahead to today. Close game, Bama wins by a field goal.

[Dolla Bill]

That is what I see as an @$$ whipping by Alabama. Wow, didn't see that coming. I thought it was going to be competitive, but I think Tebow just bowed out of the Heisman race, and maybe, just maybe took a hit in the draft.

Against good teams, he is not a good QB.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

That is what I see as an @$$ whipping by Alabama. Wow, didn't see that coming. I thought it was going to be competitive, but I think Tebow just bowed out of the Heisman race, and maybe, just maybe took a hit in the draft.

Against good teams, he is not a good QB.

McCoy is struggling too so far. So who the heck is worth drafting?

[Dolla Bill]

McCoy is struggling too so far. So who the heck is worth drafting?

In drafting a QB, you have to remove the team around them. Clausen and Bradford look like the top 2 QBs. I just wonder if Clausen is coming out, despite the Weis firing.

[hail2skins]

McCoy is struggling too so far. So who the heck is worth drafting?I came here just to point that out. People have been calling for us to draft him. Nebraska is playing some nasty defense though. Both teams are actually.

[hail2skins]

C'mon Colt, throw the ball. Somebody is open. Gotta be. If you want to be a Redskin, you gotta throw the ball somewhere.

[smoot]

In drafting a QB, you have to remove the team around them. Clausen and Bradford look like the top 2 QBs. I just wonder if Clausen is coming out, despite the Weis firing.
Clausen is a lock to come out, his parents have already put their house up for sale

[shally]

C'mon Colt, throw the ball. Somebody is open. Gotta be. If you want to be a Redskin, you gotta throw the ball somewhere.

hope Snyder is watching this..

I came here just to point that out. People have been calling for us to draft him. Nebraska is playing some nasty defense though. Both teams are actually.

fine defense by Nebraska.. Suh is a MAN !!

and i think that Alabama will take Texas apart if they survive this game

[WarEagle]

hope Snyder is watching this..



fine defense by Nebraska.. Suh is a MAN !!

and i think that Alabama will take Texas apart if they survive this game

Agreed. Like watching a diabolical doomsday machine tonight.

[smoot]

This game may have just locked Suh into the #1 spot

[shally]

if McCoy cannot do any better than this against a college defense, he will have problems as a pro

very un impressed with him

he has had a lot of good field position

[akhhorus]

McCoy is struggling too so far. So who the heck is worth drafting?

McCoy should be a 2nd day pick when its all said and done. I'm a big fan of Bradford(but I doubt he'll be there when the skins draft). If you get a chance, check out Pat Devlin and Ryan Mallet.

[smoot]

McCoy should be a 2nd day pick when its all said and done. I'm a big fan of Bradford(but I doubt he'll be there when the skins draft). If you get a chance, check out Pat Devlin and Ryan Mallet.
If we draft Devlin i might break my TV

[akhhorus]

If we draft Devlin i might break my TV

If we can draft him round 4 or 5 and use the 1st/2nd on Olinemen, you shouldn't. If McCoy is sitting there in round 4, I might draft him if I'm the skins. Low risk flyer.

[smoot]

If we can draft him round 4 or 5 and use the 1st/2nd on Olinemen, you shouldn't. If McCoy is sitting there in round 4, I might draft him if I'm the skins. Low risk flyer.
Ignore what I said, for some reason when I read Devlin I thought of Jarrett Brown and couldn't believe you were endorsing him.

[smoot]

Watching this ACC CG, i'd give just about anything for Spiller to somehow fall to us in the 4th. It is never going to happen, but I can dream right?

[akhhorus]

Ignore what I said, for some reason when I read Devlin I thought of Jarrett Brown and couldn't believe you were endorsing him.

Ugh..Jarret Brown.

Watching this ACC CG, i'd give just about anything for Spiller to somehow fall to us in the 4th. It is never going to happen, but I can dream right?

Nope. He's a first rounder. And a fraud: he can torch ACC defenses, but thats about it.

[smoot]

Nope. He's a first rounder. And a fraud: he can torch ACC defenses, but thats about it.

Yeah, I know he's a first rounder and most likely first RB overall, that's why I said dream. I think a bit higher of him than you though, I think he's going to be an electrifying player at the next level, somewhere along the lines of a Desean Jackson type player

[smoot]

Incredible ending to the Texas/Nebraska game

[shally]

nothing like "field awareness"...

i think colt mccoy would fit in PERFECTLY as a Redskin.. he was clueless on third down and almost killed their chances by running out the clock..

[rskinsfan10]

Colt McCoy personally didn't deserve to win that game after that last play of his. I think he's lying when he said he knew how much time was on the clock.

[Dolla Bill]

Incredible ending to the Texas/Nebraska game

Refs got too involved for my taste, but that was a great ending. IMO due to the sucking of Texas, I would love to see TCU leap frog them, but it won't happen.

[akhhorus]

Yeah, I know he's a first rounder and most likely first RB overall, that's why I said dream. I think a bit higher of him than you though, I think he's going to be an electrifying player at the next level, somewhere along the lines of a Desean Jackson type player

I think he's a poor man's Reggie Bush without Bush's instincts. I'd rather have Best if I wanted a Rb in the draft.

[Dolla Bill]

McCoy should be a 2nd day pick when its all said and done. I'm a big fan of Bradford(but I doubt he'll be there when the skins draft). If you get a chance, check out Pat Devlin and Ryan Mallet.

That guy is a good QB in the making. Very accurate, and almost beat Florida, at Florida this year. If he drops (I don't think he will), I would love to snag him in the 2nd round.

[akhhorus]

That guy is a good QB in the making. Very accurate, and almost beat Florida, at Florida this year. If he drops (I don't think he will), I would love to snag him in the 2nd round.

If he comes out, he'll be a lock for the first round. Its about 50/50 whether he will.

[smoot]

I think he's a poor man's Reggie Bush without Bush's instincts. I'd rather have Best if I wanted a Rb in the draft.

I've seen you say this before, but Spiller is much more of a true runner than Bush ever was. He doesn't have the open field abilities or instincts of Bush, but he's a guy you can hand the ball off to without having to get them out on the edges of the field. Bush has essentially been a bust, that doesn't mean spiller will be as well


If he comes out, he'll be a lock for the first round. Its about 50/50 whether he will.

I'd love for us to draft him, but if we do, we MUST go out and find the best qb coach in the league to tutor him because he's a serious high risk/high reward type of prospect.

[Farmer Ted]

Suh should be the hands down winner of the Heisman. I don't think anyone else is even close to him. He almost won that game single-handedly. I won't cry if the Skins draft him in the first round next year. We're gonna suck anyway, and he might kill every other QB in the NFC East, which would be fun to watch.

[akhhorus]

I've seen you say this before, but Spiller is much more of a true runner than Bush ever was. He doesn't have the open field abilities or instincts of Bush, but he's a guy you can hand the ball off to without having to get them out on the edges of the field. Bush has essentially been a bust, that doesn't mean spiller will be as well

I've watched a ton of Spiller throughout his career: I'd rather have Jacoby Ford. Spiller had a good season, but he racked up big stats against cream puffs for the most part. When he was matched up against a physical defense in South Carolina, they shut him down by jamming his lanes and gang tackling. He may have a role as a scatback/returner in the NFL, but NFL defenses probably aren't going to let him get away with the slow counters along with bad ball security. I stand by my Reggie Bush comparison: he's not a feature back, but he doesn't have Bush's sheer athleticism.

[smoot]

Reggie Bush is just too simple of a comparison for me to go with it, if I had to pick a comparison, i'd put him somewhere between Ray Rice and Bush

[oldskinfan]

Jonathan Dwyer.
6' 1", 235 lbs.

He has done it for 3 years in the ACC.
Coach Joe would have loved him. Gerald Riggs redux.

Go Jackets!

[akhhorus]

Reggie Bush is just too simple of a comparison for me to go with it, if I had to pick a comparison, i'd put him somewhere between Ray Rice and Bush

I don't see how you're coming up with Ray Rice. He's a totally difference runner than Spiller, both as a prospect and as an NFL player.

[smoot]

I don't see how you're coming up with Ray Rice. He's a totally difference runner than Spiller, both as a prospect and as an NFL player.
He's along the lines of what i'm expecting from Spiller as a pro player. I expect him to start primarily as a recieving threat/third down back in a platoon much like Rice, eventually developing his ability to run between the tackles. I'd expect a similar amount of production as well, with spiller adding to the return game. Maybe Westbrook would be a better comparison, but I still think Rice fits.

[akhhorus]

He's along the lines of what i'm expecting from Spiller as a pro player. I expect him to start primarily as a recieving threat/third down back in a platoon much like Rice, eventually developing his ability to run between the tackles. I'd expect a similar amount of production as well, with spiller adding to the return game. Maybe Westbrook would be a better comparison, but I still think Rice fits.

Rice, in college, was a between the tackles grinding ISO Rb. And in the pros, they're using him more on flares, screens and wheel routes. Spiller has never been a between the tackles guy in College(mainly because Clemson thought he was a waste at that and they had RBs who could handle that role). Spiller doesn't have Westbrook's polish/intangibles, but he's that kind of NFL rb, which is why I stand by more "poor man's Reggie Bush" comment. Spiller, unless I'm very wrong about him, won't be able to handle 20-25 carries a game in the NFL(he barely can handle 12-20 college carries a game without leaving with various injuries).

[smoot]

Rice, in college, was a between the tackles grinding ISO Rb. And in the pros, they're using him more on flares, screens and wheel routes. Spiller has never been a between the tackles guy in College(mainly because Clemson thought he was a waste at that and they had RBs who could handle that role). Spiller doesn't have Westbrook's polish/intangibles, but he's that kind of NFL rb, which is why I stand by more "poor man's Reggie Bush" comment. Spiller, unless I'm very wrong about him, won't be able to handle 20-25 carries a game in the NFL(he barely can handle 12-20 college carries a game without leaving with various injuries).
That's why I said as a pro player, not as a college player. You said yourself how they're using Rice, which is exactly how Spiller should be used in the pro's. Spiller hasn't gone between the tackles much in college, but he has the frame to develop in the proper system.

[akhhorus]

That's why I said as a pro player, not as a college player. You said yourself how they're using Rice, which is exactly how Spiller should be used in the pro's. Spiller hasn't gone between the tackles much in college, but he has the frame to develop in the proper system.

The Ravens are using Rice as a feature, between the tackles back and using him on pass routes a lot. Spiller's listed at 195 lbs(probably like like 180), so I don't think he has the frame to develop into a Rice type back.

[CNYSkinFan]

Let the cluster frack of a college bowl selection series begin. Can anyone really say texas is better the TCU. An 8 game playoff is needed badly in the country. And it really is simple. Any team finishing undefeated will get a seat in the final 8, the rest are at-large seats chosen by the BCS rankings. Sure someone will bitch about being #9 but then you can at least say to an undefeated team you get a shot at the ring. First round of the playoffs can be done next week. Then on new years day the semis, week after new years the championship. The foru teams losing in the first round will be assigned to play each other in consolation games on new year's bowls

[akhhorus]

Let the cluster frack of a college bowl selection series begin.

Its not going to be a cluster f this year. Its rather simple.

Can anyone really say texas is better the TCU.

Yes lol. Texas went undefeated with an infinitely tougher schedule than TCU or Boise State.

An 8 game playoff is needed badly in the country. And it really is simple. Any team finishing undefeated will get a seat in the final 8, the rest are at-large seats chosen by the BCS rankings. Sure someone will bitch about being #9 but then you can at least say to an undefeated team you get a shot at the ring. First round of the playoffs can be done next week. Then on new years day the semis, week after new years the championship. The foru teams losing in the first round will be assigned to play each other in consolation games on new year's bowls

The standards for any playoff have to be tougher than what you propose. The TCUs, Boise States, etc of the college football world shouldn't be rewarded for going undefeated in non-BCS conferences full of cream puffs. If there was a system like that, I would hope that South Carolina moves to the Sun belt conference so that they could have a good shot at being undefeated every year. And who's better? A 1 Loss SEC champion who had to beat a very tough schedule or an undefeated team who maybe played 1 tough team in 12 games.

And yes: a playoff just changes who will bitch. If they had an 8 team playoff this year, the teams would be:
Alabama
Texas
Cincy
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
then pick 2 out of:
Florida, Nebraska, TCU, Boise State, Iowa.

[smoot]

The Ravens are using Rice as a feature, between the tackles back and using him on pass routes a lot. Spiller's listed at 195 lbs(probably like like 180), so I don't think he has the frame to develop into a Rice type back.
Which is why I mentioned Rice's rookie year when he was used in a platoon with McClain and McGahee before being the primary running back this year, thanks in part to McGahee's decline.

Rice got 8.2 carries per game as a rookie and 15.2 this year, definitely projectable numbers for Spiller

[akhhorus]

Which is why I mentioned Rice's rookie year when he was used in a platoon with McClain and McGahee before being the primary running back this year, thanks in part to McGahee's decline.

Rice got 8.2 carries per game as a rookie and 15.2 this year, definitely projectable numbers for Spiller

You were comparing him as a player, not how he was going to be used.

[smoot]

You were comparing him as a player, not how he was going to be used.

He's along the lines of what i'm expecting from Spiller as a pro player. I expect him to start primarily as a recieving threat/third down back in a platoon much like Rice, eventually developing his ability to run between the tackles. I'd expect a similar amount of production as well, with spiller adding to the return game. Maybe Westbrook would be a better comparison, but I still think Rice fits.

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[akhhorus]

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Let me refresh your memory then lol:
http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=1277973&postcount=160


Reggie Bush is just too simple of a comparison for me to go with it, if I had to pick a comparison, i'd put him somewhere between Ray Rice and Bush

[smoot]

Let me refresh your memory then lol:
http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=1277973&postcount=160
Maybe comparison was a bad word then, projection might have been better. I never stated that Spiller was a between the tackles runner like Rice though, which you seem to be leaning towards

[akhhorus]

Maybe comparison was a bad word then, projection might have been better. I never stated that Spiller was a between the tackles runner like Rice though, which you seem to be leaning towards

I know you didn't say that, but you think he could become that. I've watched Spiller for 4 years at Cletius Tech, he always struggles when they ask him to try that. I don't see how he'll suddenly figure that out in the NFL, he just doesn't have the body or instincts(or toughness, which MJD has over him) to be that kind of guy.

[CNYSkinFan]

Its not going to be a cluster f this year. Its rather simple.



Yes lol. Texas went undefeated with an infinitely tougher schedule than TCU or Boise State.



The standards for any playoff have to be tougher than what you propose. The TCUs, Boise States, etc of the college football world shouldn't be rewarded for going undefeated in non-BCS conferences full of cream puffs. If there was a system like that, I would hope that South Carolina moves to the Sun belt conference so that they could have a good shot at being undefeated every year. And who's better? A 1 Loss SEC champion who had to beat a very tough schedule or an undefeated team who maybe played 1 tough team in 12 games.

And yes: a playoff just changes who will bitch. If they had an 8 team playoff this year, the teams would be:
Alabama
Texas
Cincy
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
then pick 2 out of:
Florida, Nebraska, TCU, Boise State, Iowa.
I doubt teams will move out of the SEC and other major conferences for very simple reason....money.

And you already see teams giving themselves powder puff schedules outsisde of conference in hopes of going 11-0 (notre Dame?)

Nope simply if you are in div 1-a football and you go undefeated you deserve a shot at the national title. Or perhaps then make another vdivision for just the SEC Pac-10, big 12, Big ten, and may be big east and let the rest of college football have their national championship and the biggies can have theirs.

It's a farce, plain and simple. You can only line up and play the people that are in your conference, if you win all the games then you deserve to get a shot at proving yourself.

[akhhorus]

I doubt teams will move out of the SEC and other major conferences for very simple reason....money.

They would make money in some hypothetical playoff.

And you already see teams giving themselves powder puff schedules outsisde of conference in hopes of going 11-0 (notre Dame?)

ND scheduled a couple extra cup cakes, but they still always have a tough schedule.

Nope simply if you are in div 1-a football and you go undefeated you deserve a shot at the national title.

Nope. Not at all.

Or perhaps then make another vdivision for just the SEC Pac-10, big 12, Big ten, and may be big east and let the rest of college football have their national championship and the biggies can have theirs.

Well, technically, if you're not in a BCS conference, you can't play for the title anyways.

It's a farce, plain and simple. You can only line up and play the people that are in your conference, if you win all the games then you deserve to get a shot at proving yourself.

You can believe whatever you want to. But a team who beats up on a bunch of nothing teams shouldn't get rewarded for playing in a crappy conference.

[smoot]

I know you didn't say that, but you think he could become that. I've watched Spiller for 4 years at Cletius Tech, he always struggles when they ask him to try that. I don't see how he'll suddenly figure that out in the NFL, he just doesn't have the body or instincts(or toughness, which MJD has over him) to be that kind of guy.
Could being the operative word. I still like him most as a player you put out in space and tell him to make guys miss ala Westbrook/Jackson/Bush, but I also think he'll be pretty good when asked to carry the ball consistently. I've watched alot of his games as well and while going between the tackles isn't his strength, I still think he has the ability (it hasn't helped him that his OL hasn't had a decent OL prospect in a while).

[akhhorus]

Could being the operative word. I still like him most as a player you put out in space and tell him to make guys miss ala Westbrook/Jackson/Bush, but I also think he'll be pretty good when asked to carry the ball consistently. I've watched alot of his games as well and while going between the tackles isn't his strength, I still think he has the ability (it hasn't helped him that his OL hasn't had a decent OL prospect in a while).

He couldn't do it 3 years ago when they had guys like Dustin Fox and Barry Richardson.

[akhhorus]

Charlie Weis takes a personal shot at Carrol(way to kill your job prospects there Charlie):

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4718914

According to the interview transcript from IrishIllustrated.com senior editor Tim Prister, Weis responded: "Let me ask you this question: You guys know about things that go on in different places. Was I living with a grad student in Malibu, or was I living with my wife in my house? You could bet that if I were living with a grad student here in South Bend, it would be national news.

"He's doing it in Malibu and it's not national news. What's the difference? I don't understand. Why is it OK for one guy to do things like that, but for me, I'm scrutinized when I swear. I'm sorry for swearing; absolve my sins."

Weis was referring to a 2006 "60 Minutes" profile which showed him swearing and caused a minor stir, but the root of his reference to Carroll's alleged living arrangement was unclear. Carroll is married with three children and a grandchild.

Carroll, contacted by the Los Angeles Times on Saturday night, said: "It's untrue, it's irresponsible and it's incredible he'd be talking about me like that," Carroll said of Weis.

What?

[SkinsKY]

Its not going to be a cluster f this year. Its rather simple.



Yes lol. Texas went undefeated with an infinitely tougher schedule than TCU or Boise State.



The standards for any playoff have to be tougher than what you propose. The TCUs, Boise States, etc of the college football world shouldn't be rewarded for going undefeated in non-BCS conferences full of cream puffs. If there was a system like that, I would hope that South Carolina moves to the Sun belt conference so that they could have a good shot at being undefeated every year. And who's better? A 1 Loss SEC champion who had to beat a very tough schedule or an undefeated team who maybe played 1 tough team in 12 games.

And yes: a playoff just changes who will bitch. If they had an 8 team playoff this year, the teams would be:
Alabama
Texas
Cincy
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
then pick 2 out of:
Florida, Nebraska, TCU, Boise State, Iowa.We'll never have a bitch-free scenario, but I like this one better.

[Farmer Ted]

Charlie Weis takes a personal shot at Carrol(way to kill your job prospects there Charlie):

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4718914



What?

What graduate student would pork Charlie Weis?

[akhhorus]

We'll never have a bitch-free scenario, but I like this one better.

Id rather they go back to the traditional matchups, then do a BCS style system to determine a final champ game.

[ryflan47]

Oh the tears of unfathomable sadness!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzl4rAzQcRg

[WarEagle]

Kelly from U of Cincy to ND, confirmed?

[Farmer Ted]

Id rather they go back to the traditional matchups, then do a BCS style system to determine a final champ game.

Even if they did an 8-team tournament, it wouldn't be the top 8 teams. It would be the 6 bcs conference winners and two at large teams, probably each from different bcs conferences. Some years, you'd have the #15 ranked Big East winner in there (actually, most years except this one).

[dj_stouty]

These bowl games look pathetic this year. Outside of the Championship game only the VT/Tenn and Boise/TCU games interest me.

With so many undefeated teams, a playoff format woudl be perfect right now...

BTW - I just posted in the UMD/UVA coaches thread that Mike London is leaving Richmond to come back to UVA next season. Solid choice based on his familiarity with the school...his recruiting ties to the area...and his cheap price tag. lol. Soooo glad Al is gone.

[CarMike]

I HATE the Boise/TCU match up. Like Tony Kornheiser mentioned today on 980, this is like the NIT game.

Boise State should play either UF or GT. And TCU should play the other team.

EDIT: Congrats on the Mike London hire.

[redbamaskins]

congrats bama.

happy on saturday

disgusted on sunday.



texas cant handle bamas defense.

alabama wins 24-7

[SkinsKY]

Even if they did an 8-team tournament, it wouldn't be the top 8 teams. It would be the 6 bcs conference winners and two at large teams, probably each from different bcs conferences. Some years, you'd have the #15 ranked Big East winner in there (actually, most years except this one).

But, each team had a chance to win their conference. It may not be the best teams, but if you aren't the best in your conference, why should you be considered worthy of a shot of a national title? It just means the SEC has a tougher "bracket" than other conferences.

I HATE the Boise/TCU match up. Like Tony Kornheiser mentioned today on 980, this is like the NIT game.

Boise State should play either UF or GT. And TCU should play the other team.

EDIT: Congrats on the Mike London hire.

Agreed. Imagine if Cincy and TCU won their BCS bowl games? Three undefeated teams at the end of the year. Shy of the should-have-been Nebraska win over Tex, this is the best option left to ruffle some BCS feathers, and they blew it.

[akhhorus]

Even if they did an 8-team tournament, it wouldn't be the top 8 teams. It would be the 6 bcs conference winners and two at large teams, probably each from different bcs conferences. Some years, you'd have the #15 ranked Big East winner in there (actually, most years except this one).

This is the problem with a playoff: you can't possibly pick the playoff teams without screwing someone. If college football had an 8 team playoff, people would whine about the "arbitrary" system that chose the playoff teams and how they excluded teams that supposedly deserved a shot. Nothing changes with a playoff.

[SkinsKY]

This is the problem with a playoff: you can't possibly pick the playoff teams without screwing someone. If college football had an 8 team playoff, people would whine about the "arbitrary" system that chose the playoff teams and how they excluded teams that supposedly deserved a shot. Nothing changes with a playoff.

Maybe, but if someone's getting screwed, it should be the teams with one or two losses and not undefeated teams. With a playoff, I think people will whine about not getting in, but the winner would be undisputed after winning three straight games.

There's not really a perfect system, but I like it better.

Tangental: I hate pre-season polls. If a team can start high enough (read: Texas), they almost guarantee to finish higher than teams with similar records. If I had my way, they shouldn't be released until after the first month. Let those "upsets" sort themselves out. A #2 pre-season team that loses week one is not an upset. (like UK beating Louisville when they were ranked #9. Only a perceived upset as UL didn't make a bowl that year) It means voters made a bad choice. After a month or so, you can start to make sense of it and maybe Cincy is ahead of Texas at that point. I think they are a big contributor to this, but not many people remember that at the end of the year.

[akhhorus]

Maybe, but if someone's getting screwed, it should be the teams with one or two losses and not undefeated teams. With a playoff, I think people will whine about not getting in, but the winner would be undisputed after winning three straight games.


Teams shouldn't get into the BCS or any hypothetical playoff system if they go undefeated with a schedule full of creampuffs. If you don't play a good schedule, you shouldn't be eligible for anything except some mid tier bowl. And if you had an 8 team playoff set up this year, either Florida or one of TCU/Boise State would get screwed by the system. Nothing changes.

[Fathead]

Blame TCU and Boise for not being around when the SEC was formed. lol






The only reason they put TCU and Boise in the same game is so no one gets Utahed like last year. Wouldn't want to embarrass an SEC or Big 12 team.

[akhhorus]

Blame TCU and Boise for not being around when the SEC was formed. lol


Both of them could join real conferences if they wanted to. You can't tell me that the Big-12 wouldn't dump Baylor for TCU and Boise State(along with BYU or Utah) could join the Pac-10(Boise state has switched conferences a lot). They also can play a tougher schedule than....

TCU: Texas State, SMU, UVA and Clemson as their non-conference schedule.
Boise State: Oregon, Miami(OH), Bowling Green, UC-Davis and Tulsa as their non-conference schedule.

The only reason they put TCU and Boise in the same game is so no one gets Utahed like last year. Wouldn't want to embarrass an SEC or Big 12 team.

Well, they couldn't face a SEc/big-12 team. Texas is the only big-12 team to make the BCS and they couldn't face Florida in the Sugar bowl, they would have faced Cincy..or they could have faced Ga-Tech in the Orange Bowl(which went to Iowa) and one of those two(TCU/Boise) has to go to the Fiesta Bowl.

[SkinsKY]

Teams shouldn't get into the BCS or any hypothetical playoff system if they go undefeated with a schedule full of creampuffs. If you don't play a good schedule, you shouldn't be eligible for anything except some mid tier bowl. And if you had an 8 team playoff set up this year, either Florida or one of TCU/Boise State would get screwed by the system. Nothing changes.

I'd leave Florida out. They lost to a team in the tournament. (Side note: I'd require a conference championship of every BCS conference if they want an automatic bid, and probably the smaller conferences as well.) They had a chance and missed it. It's the same argument why tOSU/Michigan shouldn't have been replayed for the NC a couple years ago. Sure, Florida is a better team than someone like Boise, but they had their chance against the tide and lost. If Boise and TCU are no good in actuality. They'll be outed in the tourney. If they win it, they deserve it at that point. The difference in a playoff scenario is that people can actually control their own destiny. Cincy can't make the Big East better, and they have to play them. It's not really their fault. I agree people will dispute who gets in (happens somewhat in the NCAA tourney), but I don't think anyone could question the validity of a football tourney champion.

I agree that some schools should join bigger conferences (see: Memphis in bball). I don't have a good solution on how to make that happen.

[shally]

Blame TCU and Boise for not being around when the SEC was formed. lol






The only reason they put TCU and Boise in the same game is so no one gets Utahed like last year. Wouldn't want to embarrass an SEC or Big 12 team.

TCU plays some ferocious defense.. they could seriously embarrass someone..Texas is LUCKY they didnt play them this year...

[shally]

Id rather they go back to the traditional matchups, then do a BCS style system to determine a final champ game.

agree. pick the best 4 teams and have a 2 game playoff.. i could live with that.. what we have now is disgusting

i would prefer an 8 team arrangement, but that will never happen and there would STILL be inequities..but you would likely still get a football team that was the equivalent of some NCAA basketball teams that peak in march and run the table (Villanova or NC state come to mind as examples)

[akhhorus]

I'd leave Florida out. They lost to a team in the tournament. (Side note: I'd require a conference championship of every BCS conference if they want an automatic bid, and probably the smaller conferences as well.) They had a chance and missed it. It's the same argument why tOSU/Michigan shouldn't have been replayed for the NC a couple years ago. Sure, Florida is a better team than someone like Boise, but they had their chance against the tide and lost. If Boise and TCU are no good in actuality. They'll be outed in the tourney. If they win it, they deserve it at that point. The difference in a playoff scenario is that people can actually control their own destiny. Cincy can't make the Big East better, and they have to play them. It's not really their fault.

Cincy also played a weak non-conference schedule. Thats their fault.

I agree people will dispute who gets in (happens somewhat in the NCAA tourney), but I don't think anyone could question the validity of a football tourney champion.

I agree that some schools should join bigger conferences (see: Memphis in bball). I don't have a good solution on how to make that happen.

Sure they could. Thats how basketball ran their tourney for decades(only conference champs get in) and scores of great teams were excluded because they crapped the bed in the title game. And there's still running debates among CBB fans about if this team had won their conference title, they would have won it all(I think UMD had some super team in the late 60s that lost to a bad call in the ACC title game). Thats the essential problem with a playoff: someone gets screwed anyways. And if you're going to exclude Florida at 12-1 because they didn't win their title, but giving Boise State or TCU their spot in a playoff because they won some crappy conference, thats undermining the credibility of the title more than even the biggest critics of the BCS think its doing. Whether or not its a BCS-esque system or a 8 team playoff, there has to be standards to get in to the title system. If you play a weak schedule, you're out. If you play in a non-BCS conference, you're out. And so on.

[SkinsKY]

Cincy also played a weak non-conference schedule. Thats their fault.



Sure they could. Thats how basketball ran their tourney for decades(only conference champs get in) and scores of great teams were excluded because they crapped the bed in the title game. And there's still running debates among CBB fans about if this team had won their conference title, they would have won it all(I think UMD had some super team in the late 60s that lost to a bad call in the ACC title game). Thats the essential problem with a playoff: someone gets screwed anyways. And if you're going to exclude Florida at 12-1 because they didn't win their title, but giving Boise State or TCU their spot in a playoff because they won some crappy conference, thats undermining the credibility of the title more than even the biggest critics of the BCS think its doing. Whether or not its a BCS-esque system or a 8 team playoff, there has to be standards to get in to the title system. If you play a weak schedule, you're out. If you play in a non-BCS conference, you're out. And so on.

But, Florida at least had a chance and was dismantled by Alabama. Yes, they might be the 2nd best team in the country, but they had a chance to get there. And if TCU or Cincy are jokers, the tourney would find them out.

I'm absolutely okay with toughening standards to qualify for something. I have no problem with that, but I think that's a different part of the argument. One half is what system to use, and the other is how do people get in. I want the tournament system. We can negotiate who gets in and how. I'm cool with that. Personally, I would take TCU and Boise, but obviously a case can be made against them. If they tighten up schedule requirements, that's fine with me but when Boise has sent out numerous offers to play away with no return game requested from top schools and been turned down, it's not always their fault. I don't know much about the politicking of switching conferences, but it doesn't happen too much. Member schools might not want to switch a TCU for a Baylor or put Boise in the Pac-10. IT only makes their road(s) tougher.

[dj_stouty]

Member schools might not want to switch a TCU for a Baylor or put Boise in the Pac-10. IT only makes their road(s) tougher.

Agreed. Peterson has built himself a great program over at Boise. If I were the PAC-10, I wouldnt' want to add them. They play sound football. Ask Oklahoma.

[akhhorus]

But, Florida at least had a chance and was dismantled by Alabama. Yes, they might be the 2nd best team in the country, but they had a chance to get there. And if TCU or Cincy are jokers, the tourney would find them out.

That doesn't really speak to the obvious problem. Florida was a great team this year, they got beat by a greater Alabama team. They deserve a BCS Bowl far more than some team who played ToadSuck Tech each week. Florida had the 4th hardest schedule in all of college football. Boise State had the 94th hardest. TCU had the 69th hardest. Letting them in for a title shot is obscene.

I'm absolutely okay with toughening standards to qualify for something. I have no problem with that, but I think that's a different part of the argument. One half is what system to use, and the other is how do people get in. I want the tournament system.

I want the traditionalist system i mentioned(and has been discussed), but I'm fine with the BCS since they've spread out the weighting of the system.

We can negotiate who gets in and how. I'm cool with that. Personally, I would take TCU and Boise, but obviously a case can be made against them. If they tighten up schedule requirements, that's fine with me but when Boise has sent out numerous offers to play away with no return game requested from top schools and been turned down, it's not always their fault. I don't know much about the politicking of switching conferences, but it doesn't happen too much. Member schools might not want to switch a TCU for a Baylor or put Boise in the Pac-10. IT only makes their road(s) tougher.

Well, thats too bad. TCU and Boise State don't play in BCS conferences and are ineligible to play for the title. If you're going to open it up to any conference, then the Sun Belt, Conference-USA and Mid-American conferences have to go to the playoff also and Navy/Notre Dame have to join a conference.

The further problem is that you cannot possibly create a playoff system that won't exclude good teams. So, a playoff changes nothing.

[dj_stouty]

Florida had the 4th hardest schedule in all of college football. Boise State had the 94th hardest. TCU had the 69th hardest. Letting them in for a title shot is obscene.

If Wisconsin had run the table would you have allowed them to have a shot at the title?

[BurgundyNGold]

That doesn't really speak to the obvious problem. Florida was a great team this year, they got beat by a greater Alabama team. They deserve a BCS Bowl far more than some team who played ToadSuck Tech each week. Florida had the 4th hardest schedule in all of college football. Boise State had the 94th hardest. TCU had the 69th hardest. Letting them in for a title shot is obscene.
If Texas had lost, I would have preferred to see TCU in over Florida. After the beating that Florida took from Alabama and the squeakers they played this year, I could see them dropping to 3, Texas dropping to 4 and TCU up to 2. And I would have bee find with that. But apparently, Blache coaches the Nebraska defense as a hobby lol.

Well, thats too bad. TCU and Boise State don't play in BCS conferences and are ineligible to play for the title. If you're going to open it up to any conference, then the Sun Belt, Conference-USA and Mid-American conferences have to go to the playoff also and Navy/Notre Dame have to join a conference.

The further problem is that you cannot possibly create a playoff system that won't exclude good teams. So, a playoff changes nothing.
I think that you should to win your conference to get a playoff spot. Alabama won the title game, so they get to go. If Florida had won, they'd get to go. Same goes for Texas and Nebraska. I'm fine of Florida sits home because they lost the big game. That's how it's supposed to work.

[akhhorus]

If Wisconsin had run the table would you have allowed them to have a shot at the title?

Nope.

If Texas had lost, I would have preferred to see TCU in over Florida. After the beating that Florida took from Alabama and the squeakers they played this year, I could see them dropping to 3, Texas dropping to 4 and TCU up to 2. And I would have bee find with that. But apparently, Blache coaches the Nebraska defense as a hobby lol.


If Texas had lost, Cincy should have gotten that title shot before TCU.

I think that you should to win your conference to get a playoff spot. Alabama won the title game, so they get to go. If Florida had won, they'd get to go. Same goes for Texas and Nebraska. I'm fine of Florida sits home because they lost the big game. That's how it's supposed to work.

I repeat my previous comment.

[dj_stouty]

Nope.

And so I guess you also wouldn't let any of the Big 10 teams get a shot at a Championship had they gone undefeated, right? Considering virtually every Big 10 team had a SOS ranked in the 50s or lower...

Our current system has Ohio State in the Rose Bowl who has the 57th ranked SOS...and Iowa in the Orange Bowl with the 51st ranked SOS.

Barring this news...do we petition NCAA to remove them from automatic bids?

[Fathead]

My thoughts: Force the automatic BCS conferences to add enough teams to have the championship game.


Take the 6 conference winners, add 2 teams, playoff. Sure you are gonna have some whining about who the 2 teams are, but people whine about the 64th team for the NCAA tourney. At least with 8 teams and a playoff you have a winner who really has to prove themselves.

[akhhorus]

And so I guess you also wouldn't let any of the Big 10 teams get a shot at a Championship had they gone undefeated, right? Considering virtually every Big 10 team had a SOS ranked in the 50s or lower...

Our current system has Ohio State in the Rose Bowl who has the 57th ranked SOS...and Iowa in the Orange Bowl with the 51st ranked SOS.

Barring this news...do we petition NCAA to remove them from automatic bids?

In how things shook out this year, no Big-10 team should have gotten a shot over an undefeated Alabama/Texas, even if they went undefeated. Please don't take my words out of context.

[dj_stouty]

In how things shook out this year, no Big-10 team should have gotten a shot over an undefeated Alabama/Texas, even if they went undefeated. Please don't take my words out of context.


What words did I take out of context? You said Boise and TCU had horrible SOS thus they should not have a shot at a National Title. If the entire Big-10 is ranked in the 50's and Ohio State is the only team in the nation undefeated right now, you know the current system would have them playing for the title. How far down the SOS do you need to go before the BCS needs to start disqualifying teams from the Championship game?

[akhhorus]

What words did I take out of context? You said Boise and TCU had horrible SOS thus they should not have a shot at a National Title. If the entire Big-10 is ranked in the 50's and Ohio State is the only team in the nation undefeated right now, you know the current system would have them playing for the title. How far down the SOS do you need to go before the BCS needs to start disqualifying teams from the Championship game?

In this current year, if the only difference between what actually happened and what you want to speculate on is that Wisconsin(or Ohio State) finished undefeated(and assuming that this didn't effect the SOS rankings at all for anyone else involved in this discussion), Wisconsin(or Ohio State) would(and should) not get a title shot over Texas or Alabama. I don't know where you pulled "do we petition NCAA to remove them from automatic bids?" out of since the Big-10 teams won't be playing the same schedules next year against the same exact teams, no?

[Patrick]

Bullsh*t College System ......... some day it will be gone BUT until then I will enjoy two of these upcoming games.

[SkinsKY]

That doesn't really speak to the obvious problem. Florida was a great team this year, they got beat by a greater Alabama team. They deserve a BCS Bowl far more than some team who played ToadSuck Tech each week. Florida had the 4th hardest schedule in all of college football. Boise State had the 94th hardest. TCU had the 69th hardest. Letting them in for a title shot is obscene.

I think you're doing a disservice to ToadSuck Tech. They try really hard.


I want the traditionalist system i mentioned(and has been discussed), but I'm fine with the BCS since they've spread out the weighting of the system.



Well, thats too bad. TCU and Boise State don't play in BCS conferences and are ineligible to play for the title. If you're going to open it up to any conference, then the Sun Belt, Conference-USA and Mid-American conferences have to go to the playoff also and Navy/Notre Dame have to join a conference.

I want Navy and ND to join a conference. I'm not sure how not being in a BCS conference makes them ineligble to play for a title. I also don't see how six BCS conference winners and two at larges means the Sun Belt or them would have to be included.

The further problem is that you cannot possibly create a playoff system that won't exclude good teams. So, a playoff changes nothing.

I don't believe you can include all good teams. Impossible to do. We agree. A playoff will not change that, but I don't think that makes the status quo the best option.

[akhhorus]

I think you're doing a disservice to ToadSuck Tech. They try really hard.


They never should have hired Charlie Weis.

I want Navy and ND to join a conference. I'm not sure how not being in a BCS conference makes them ineligble to play for a title. I also don't see how six BCS conference winners and two at larges means the Sun Belt or them would have to be included.


Because either you limit the entrants to certain conferences, or every conference has to be allowed to try and play for the title. You can't go halfway on letting conference champions in.

I don't believe you can include all good teams. Impossible to do. We agree. A playoff will not change that, but I don't think that makes the status quo the best option.

But a playoff is based on the premise of supposedly eliminated inequity by letting teams play for a title. The selection of the playoff teams would be as arbitrary as the BCS is, and someone will be whining about being kept out of the playoffs.

[SkinsKY]

They never should have hired Charlie Weis.
They didn't budget enough for food.


Because either you limit the entrants to certain conferences, or every conference has to be allowed to try and play for the title. You can't go halfway on letting conference champions in. I don't think that has to be true. Small conferences don't get auto bids to BCS bowls currently. I don't think they'd suddenly have to if there was a playoff.



But a playoff is based on the premise of supposedly eliminated inequity by letting teams play for a title. The selection of the playoff teams would be as arbitrary as the BCS is, and someone will be whining about being kept out of the playoffs.

I think the two at-large teams might be, but I think the result of a playoff is more solid. If TST beat Alabama, I don't care if Florida was in there because Alabama beat Tebow. If Urban whines about being left out, he should have beat Bama (or at least kept his players from falling asleep at stoplights).

[akhhorus]

I don't think that has to be true. Small conferences don't get auto bids to BCS bowls currently. I don't think they'd suddenly have to if there was a playoff.


Then we're back to:
Alabama
Ohio State
Oregon
Ga Tech
Cincy
Texas
and pick two out of:
Florida, Nebraska, TCU, Boise State, Iowa

I think the two at-large teams might be, but I think the result of a playoff is more solid. If TST beat Alabama, I don't care if Florida was in there because Alabama beat Tebow. If Urban whines about being left out, he should have beat Bama (or at least kept his players from falling asleep at stoplights).

Thats not the issue, the issue is why Toadsuck tech gets a chance over Florida, and if its because they were 12-1/13-0 in a crap conference that they won, then that's an inequitable as the BCS is.

[SkinsKY]

Then we're back to:
Alabama
Ohio State
Oregon
Ga Tech
Cincy
Texas
and pick two out of:
Florida, Nebraska, TCU, Boise State, Iowa

That's what I'd like to see. I think that makes a great field. Plenty of good games.



Thats not the issue, the issue is why Toadsuck tech gets a chance over Florida, and if its because they were 12-1/13-0 in a crap conference that they won, then that's an inequitable as the BCS is. Florida's chance came in the SEC championship and they lost. If they're in at-large bid. I'm okay with that. It's not what I would do personally, but I wouldn't argue it.

I'm not really concerned with who the tourney leaves out. My primary concern is that whoever lifts the trophy is deserving. That's not always certain, from year to year, in the current system.

[akhhorus]

That's what I'd like to see. I think that makes a great field. Plenty of good games.

Florida's chance came in the SEC championship and they lost. If they're in at-large bid. I'm okay with that. It's not what I would do personally, but I wouldn't argue it.

I'm not really concerned with who the tourney leaves out. My primary concern is that whoever lifts the trophy is deserving. That's not always certain, from year to year, in the current system.

Except that the only reason to complain about the BCS and harumph for a playoff is that the system is supposedly inequitable by who it leaves out. A playoff system is equally inequitable.

[SkinsKY]

Except that the only reason to complain about the BCS and harumph for a playoff is that the system is supposedly inequitable by who it leaves out. A playoff system is equally inequitable.But it leaves out fewer teams.

[Fathead]

The system I said allows any team in the country the ability to make the field. The big 6 (should be the big 4 and just have 4 at larges in reality) need to win their conference to have a shot at the title.



I'd even be open to making the playoff only open to conference winners.

[akhhorus]

But it leaves out fewer teams.

No, its doesn't. There's what, 3 undefeated teams not in the the title game? No one's claiming that Florida or Ohio State or Oregon deserved to be in the title game. If you had an 8 game playoff along the lines I mentioned, anywhere from 3-8(Florida, TCU, BSU, Iowa, Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Nebraska and more) teams could lay a "legitimate" claim to one of those final 2 playoff spots.

[SkinsKY]

No, its doesn't. There's what, 3 undefeated teams not in the the title game? No one's claiming that Florida or Ohio State or Oregon deserved to be in the title game. If you had an 8 game playoff along the lines I mentioned, anywhere from 3-8(Florida, TCU, BSU, Iowa, Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Nebraska and more) teams could lay a "legitimate" claim to one of those final 2 playoff spots.

Again, I know it leaves good teams out. But as you move down the ladder, it becomes less significant to me than leaving out an undefeated winner of a BCS conference.

[akhhorus]

Again, I know it leaves good teams out. But as you move down the ladder, it becomes less significant to me than leaving out an undefeated winner of a BCS conference.

Well, thats only Cincy, and they played a weak schedule(which is even more amazing since they played some good teams in the Big East).

[Fathead]

Well, thats only Cincy, and they played a weak schedule(which is even more amazing since they played some good teams in the Big East).

This year. Auburn did it before, also you get the situations like the 3 1 loss teams, etc. etc.

[BurgundyNGold]

Except that the only reason to complain about the BCS and harumph for a playoff is that the system is supposedly inequitable by who it leaves out. A playoff system is equally inequitable.
A playoff system is inequitable, true. Any system that didn't include every single team would be inequitable to someone, though the prospects would be ludricrous. Still, the current system is more inequitable. A playoff would actually be diminished inequitibility. Currently, only 2 teams get a shot at the title. A 8 team playoff would allow 8 teams a shot at the title. One team each from the 8 major conferences (SEC, ACC, BIG12, BIG10, PAC10, WAC, Big East and Mountain West), resultant from that conference's title game. If very good teams like Florida aren't in the playoff, well, that's too bad. They should have won the conference championship.

Besides, it's not like the national championship would (or perhaps even could) ever be between 2 teams in the same conference because to be ranked sufficiently high to end up 1-2, those two teams would have had to face each other in their conference championship where one would lose. Just like this year. #1 Florida lost to #2 Alabama. They won't be meeting again this season even if everyone knows that Florida and 'Bama are both better than Texas.

Florida would still have to sit home even if there was a playoff because they didn't take care of business in the conference championship game. Complaining wouldn't get them anywhere under the current system, so why should we care about their perceived disenfranchisement, for lack of a better word, if the same scenario unfolded under a playoff system?

[akhhorus]

This year. Auburn did it before, also you get the situations like the 3 1 loss teams, etc. etc.

Auburn got hurt by their schedule that year. This is why they scale the BCS through two human polls, a computer poll, quality wins and strength of schedule.

[akhhorus]

A playoff system is inequitable, true, but the current system is moreso. A playoff would actually be diminished inequitibility. Currently, only 2 teams get a shot at the title. A 8 team playoff would allow 8 teams a shot at the title.

I'm not repeating myself, see my previous posts lol.

One team each from the 8 major conferences (SEC, ACC, BIG12, BIG10, PAC10, WAC, Big East and Mountain West), resultant from that conference's title game. If very good teams like Florida aren't in the playoff, well, that's too bad they should have won the conference championship.

That more inequitable than the current system: to let the WAC/Mountain West have a playoff spot and no spots for any great at-large teams who, potentially, only lost one game(costing them the conference title). The reason the NFL playoff structure works is because all the divisions could be as good as the other. Not all conferences are equal, and rewarding non-BCS conferences full of crap teams is more inequitable then the BCS not picking Boise State or TCU or Ballsack State because they didn't play many games against remotely good competition.

Besides, it's not like the national championship would (or perhaps even could) ever be between 2 teams in the same conference because to be ranked sufficeintly high to end up 1-2, those two teams would have had to face each other in their conference championship where one would lose. Just like this year. #1 Florida lost to #2 Alabama. They won't be meeting again this season even if everyone knows that Florida and 'Bama are bother better than Texas.


See above.

Florida would still have to sit home even if there was a playoff because they didn't take care of business in the conference championship game. Complaining wouldn't get them anywhere under the current system, so why should we care about their perceived disenfranchisement, for lack of a better word, if the same scenario unfolded under a playoff system?

As I've said: a playoff is based on the concept of equity. You can't change the BCS to a hypothetical 8 team playoff to help equity only to:
1-pick the teams along arbitrary lines
or
2-tell any teams(like Florida) who had a great season, but lost their conference because of a single loss that Toadsuck Tech got their spot in the playoff because they went undefeated beating 6 glorified community colleges, 1 team from a good conference and 4 schools that offer enrollment for various physical disabilities lol

[shally]

My thoughts: Force the automatic BCS conferences to add enough teams to have the championship game.


Take the 6 conference winners, add 2 teams, playoff. Sure you are gonna have some whining about who the 2 teams are, but people whine about the 64th team for the NCAA tourney. At least with 8 teams and a playoff you have a winner who really has to prove themselves.

i would vote for that system

[dj_stouty]

In this current year, if the only difference between what actually happened and what you want to speculate on is that Wisconsin(or Ohio State) finished undefeated(and assuming that this didn't effect the SOS rankings at all for anyone else involved in this discussion), Wisconsin(or Ohio State) would(and should) not get a title shot over Texas or Alabama. I don't know where you pulled "do we petition NCAA to remove them from automatic bids?" out of since the Big-10 teams won't be playing the same schedules next year against the same exact teams, no?

My point is that the Big-10, as a conference, had a deplorable SOS this year. And if one of those teams had run the table and been the only team undefeated in the nation, the system would have easily placed them in the title game because they are in a BCS conference. So....if a non-BCS school like TCU who has the 74th ranked schedule shouldn't get a shot b/c of their schedule...why should Penn State have a shot with their 68th ranked schedule? Ohio State at 57? Or even Texas, who DOES have a shot at the Title but didn't have a SOS in the top 25. At what point on the SOS rankings do you draw the line? This year, Utah had a higher SOS ranking than a handful of BCS schools....so the difference between the two really isn't all that huge anymore, IMO.

A playoff system will put the proof in the pudding. You would get to see just how good a team like TCU or Boise really is. (instead of sticking them in the same bowl game) Some of the best football I watch each year takes place in the DI-AA (or whatever they are calling themselves) playoffs. I think means a whole lot more to the players to give it your all in game that will advance you further in a tournament w/ a Championship on the line than it does being able to say you were the 2009 Gator Bowl Champ and your season is officially over afterwards.

[akhhorus]

My point is that the Big-10, as a conference, had a deplorable SOS this year And if one of those teams had run the table and been the only team undefeated in the nation, the system would have easily placed them in the title game because they are in a BCS conference.

Well, no. If Alabama, Texas and Wisconsin(or Iowa, or Ohio State) all went undefeated, the Big Ten school would have been excluded from the title game this year.

So....if a non-BCS school like TCU who has the 74th ranked schedule shouldn't get a shot b/c of their schedule...why should Penn State have a shot with their 68th ranked schedule? Ohio State at 57? Or even Texas, who DOES have a shot at the Title but didn't have a SOS in the top 25. At what point on the SOS rankings do you draw the line? This year, Utah had a higher SOS ranking than a handful of BCS schools....so the difference between the two really isn't all that huge anymore, IMO.


See above.

A playoff system will put the proof in the pudding. You would get to see just how good a team like TCU or Boise really is. (instead of sticking them in the same bowl game) Some of the best football I watch each year takes place in the DI-AA (or whatever they are calling themselves) playoffs.

Thats why they take into consideration quality wins and strength of schedule.

I think means a whole lot more to the players to give it your all in game that will advance you further in a tournament w/ a Championship on the line than it does being able to say you were the 2009 Gator Bowl Champ and your season is officially over afterwards.

Then why aren't the conferences, schools, players or sports media who show the games pushing for a playoff at all? ESPN just bought the rights for future BCS games for future years at a higher price than Fox was paying. Even the TCU coach said he's against the playoff across the board.

[dj_stouty]

Well, no. If Alabama, Texas and Wisconsin(or Iowa, or Ohio State) all went undefeated, the Big Ten school would have been excluded from the title game this year.

Read my post again...I said if a Big-10 school was the ONLY one in the country to go undefeated they would be in the Title game. That is a flaw in the system. The General public would see no problem with a powerhouse school like PSU or OSU in the title game and they probably wouldn't even know their SOS was in the 50s or 60s.

Then why aren't the conferences, schools, players or sports media who show the games pushing for a playoff at all? ESPN just bought the rights for future BCS games for future years at a higher price than Fox was paying. Even the TCU coach said he's against the playoff across the board.

The players won't want to publically disturb the status quo...and the conferences and broadcasters are scared of change. I've heard from a lot of media members who are not affiliated with the broadcasting rights say a playoff would be fair. The difference is the amount of stake you have in the current system.

[akhhorus]

Read my post again...I said if a Big-10 school was the ONLY one in the country to go undefeated they would be in the Title game. That is a flaw in the system. The General public would see no problem with a powerhouse school like PSU or OSU in the title game and they probably wouldn't even know their SOS was in the 50s or 60s.

Because they would be an undefeated team from a power conference, it would be hard to keep them out. Maybe if the Pac-10 and SEC champs had very tough schedules with 1 loss, they would be kept out if they had as weak a schedule. But I don't see how this is relevent to the discussion: the question is whether TCU/BSU deserve a title shot this year and I said that since Alabama/Texas are undefeated with very tough schedules, they would be out. Imo, BSU and TCU shouldn't get a shot if they were the only undefeated teams since they don't play in BCS conferences.

The players won't want to publically disturb the status quo...and the conferences and broadcasters are scared of change.

Thats not true. The SEC and a couple conferences are pushing for the traditionalist idea, the rest(except the MWC) are pushing for the status quo. And the BCS rights for up for bid to the highest bidder and ESPN bid up the TV rights by-I believe 50% more last year. They aren't scared of change(don't know how they would be), but their willingness to pay more for the broadcast rights speaks to how they feel its working.

I've heard from a lot of media members who are not affiliated with the broadcasting rights say a playoff would be fair. The difference is the amount of stake you have in the current system.

Well no: a lot of ESPN/ABC talking heads dump on the BCS all the time, didn't affect ESPN's bidding for it.