What is Zorn's Future as A Coach Here?

[colkurtz]

Even though Zorn had the best record as a rookie Redskin's coach ever, I sense that most here a hR believe he will only last this season. This is a poll to have you predict the future and tell us what you think regarding the HC. Is he a bust like the ole ball coach, i.e., a 2-year wonder? Or will he be dumped even sooner - a la Norv Turner? Will the large number of seasoned and good NFL coaches out there just cause Snyderrato to drop the proverbial bone in the water to get a new guy? What say you in this dreary summer?

[colkurtz]

Snyder was going to give the ole ball coach a third season - even with the team melting down and the team absolutely out-matched. I think Zorn is Vinny's choice and as long as he can get more than 5 or 6 wins they will keep him rather than admitting that they made ANOTHER poor choice. Snyder also wants to show that he will stay with a coach a few seasons - fighting the perception that he doesn't have ANY sort of patience. This is also the cheapest choice.


Zorn gets 3 seasons before he is replaced.

[superskin]

I am all about the apocolypse. Call me crazy. Problem is, Zorn and J.C. might as well be in the same body. They are tied that closely to each other. If Campbell doesnt succeed this year, neither does Zorn.

I just have a feeling that Campbell has is going to turn the corner for good.

[colkurtz]

I am all about the apocolypse. Call me crazy. Problem is, Zorn and J.C. might as well be in the same body. They are tied that closely to each other. If Campbell doesnt succeed this year, neither does Zorn.

I just have a feeling that Campbell has is going to turn the corner for good.

I think JC will do better. That improvement will be credited toward Zorn. Zorn might also work with a new #1 QB draft pick.

Many think Zorn is gone simply because there are many big-name coaches out there. However, going to a successful, experienced coach (who has won a SB) and built a winning program in another franchise also means that:

1. This new coach will cost more. A Lot More.

2. A successful coach like Cower, Shanihan, etc will END the Snyder - Cerrato "management" team. Snyder doesn't want that. Keeping Zorn as coach means a that this owner and his toadie can continue to keep their fingers in the pie.

[csquared]

I think JC will do better. That improvement will be credited toward Zorn. Zorn might also work with a new #1 QB draft pick.

Many think Zorn is gone simply because there are many big-name coaches out there. However, going to a successful, experienced coach (who has won a SB) and built a winning program in another franchise also means that:

1. This new coach will cost more. A Lot More.

2. A successful coach like Cower, Shanihan, etc will END the Snyder - Cerrato "management" team. Snyder doesn't want that. Keeping Zorn as coach means a that this owner and his toadie can continue to keep their fingers in the pie.

1. And this matters why?
2. Isn't that what we want?

[colkurtz]

1. And this matters why?
2. Isn't that what we want?

I want a new GM and a coach who has control of this team. Not an owner and his pseudo-GM who have been playing unsuccessfully fantasy football for the last 9 years. Snyder's strategy has been woefully unsuccessful and will not work now or in the future - Regardless of the coach. UNLESS that coach has the power to run his own program. I believe even Gibbs fell under the "win NOW" philosophy of Daniel Snyder.

I hope Zorn is a success, but don't think he will be because he is hampered by the structure of this franchise. i also question whether he really has the juice to be a good coach. Certainly the odds of a former-QB being successful are really against him.

As for this thread, I'm just trying to get ppl to think. I don't believe that Zorn will automatically be replaced after this season just because Snyder may love having a coach like Cowher, Shannihan, Tuna, etc.

[shally]

i have said this about a dozen times now..

either zorn/campbell get this team into the playoffs, and probably one win in the playoffs, or BOTH are gone after this year

the coming off season is the perfect storm of name former head coaches out there, who will be looking to return to the nfl.. cowher, shanahan, gruden, holmgren will all be looking to return.. we might also see pete carroll, charlie weis and urban meyer decide that the time is right for them to move to the nfl..
there is simply no way snyder is contented to keep a HC who is average at best, with those kinds of coaches out there. the only reason for keeping zorn is, frankly, he is going to be a lot cheaper than any other HC

add in the likelihood of no cap and this will be the first real opportunity for snyder to blow up the team and re make it in one off season

10-6 minimum, with a wild card berth, or zorn is toast

[Dolla Bill]

IF Zorn stays here, it is because JC has lead this team somewhere. If JC decides to bolt, here is your list of potential QB FAs for 2010:

Charlie Batch
Kyle Boller
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Kellen Clemens
Brodie Croyle
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Joey Harrington
Tarvaris Jackson
Jon Kitna
Eli Manning
Josh McCown
Matt Moore
Kyle Orton
Patrick Ramsey
Chris Redman
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Sage Rosenfels
D.J. Shockley
Troy Smith
Brian St. Pierre
Andrew Walter
Charlie Whitehurst

The ones in bold, you can forget about it. Those are the staples of their respective franchises. No way they will be allowed to walk. The rest are...meh. IF Campbell leads the team to the playoffs, resigning him is absolutely important. These FA QBs are at best a stop gap for you to bring in a drafted QB to sit, and watch this team tank that season. Think Zorn can afford to do that? Zorn knows he can't, and Snyderatto knows that as well

[akhhorus]

Barring a deep playoff run, he's gone after this season. If there's no cap and the skins decide to gut the team, nothing short of a super bowl appearance will save his job.

[GenMgr]

Because the FO was willing to part with Campbell with Zorn still intact and that the FO believes that Zorn is a good QB coach, I think they will keep Zorn one more year. If JC is let go, the FO will want to see how CB, CD and possibly a first rd QB pick do in Zorn's system.

[CarMike]

IMO, Shanahan will be the coach of the Redskins 1 year from now. Then we'll have to hear how he's the 220th owner since Snyder has been owner...

[csquared]

I want a new GM and a coach who has control of this team. Not an owner and his pseudo-GM who have been playing unsuccessfully fantasy football for the last 9 years. Snyder's strategy has been woefully unsuccessful and will not work now or in the future - Regardless of the coach. UNLESS that coach has the power to run his own program. I believe even Gibbs fell under the "win NOW" philosophy of Daniel Snyder.

I hope Zorn is a success, but don't think he will be because he is hampered by the structure of this franchise. i also question whether he really has the juice to be a good coach. Certainly the odds of a former-QB being successful are really against him.

As for this thread, I'm just trying to get ppl to think. I don't believe that Zorn will automatically be replaced after this season just because Snyder may love having a coach like Cowher, Shannihan, Tuna, etc.

No i was putting answers to your comments. So my #1 was meant for your #1 and my #2 was for your #2

[colkurtz]

IMO, Shanahan will be the coach of the Redskins 1 year from now. Then we'll have to hear how he's the 220th owner since Snyder has been owner...

i like that choice but am just wondering why Snyder will pick him over the other big name coaches that will be out there. Also, why would he come here over the other teams? Just curious.

[colkurtz]

For those that think Zorn will be gone after this season, I'm assuming that this means a big daddy coach will come here for big $$$$$ with total control.

With all these assumptions - does that mean Vinny could also be let go?

[The Skinsinator]

IMO, Shanahan will be the coach of the Redskins 1 year from now. Then we'll have to hear how he's the 220th owner since Snyder has been owner...I almost could see Zorn back here more than I could see Phillips in Dallas. At least Zorn acts like he cares and Snyder is like 40 years younger than Jones. 10 wins he stays. I'm not so sure that Snyder goes crazy with him and the uncapped year although it certainly is plausible. ;)

[Fathead]

No chance that Zorn is here next year short of a miracle run deep into the playoffs. There are too many big name coaches floating out there, and if the cap goes away, Danny won't resist having a big name coach that he can buy a new team for.



I said this in another thread, but I'll put up $100 towards the upkeep of HR if Zorn is the HC opening day of the 2010 season.

[Swirvi]

Even though Zorn had the best record as a rookie Redskin's coach ever

Well, tied for best record. Who can forget Gibbs starting 0-5 and finishing up at 8-8 in route to an eventual Super Bowl victory the following year? Somehow, I have that 8-8 record ranked just a smidge higher than the 6-2 start / 2-6 finish debacle that was Zorn's first year.

[shally]

Barring a deep playoff run, he's gone after this season. If there's no cap and the skins decide to gut the team, nothing short of a super bowl appearance will save his job.

+1

exactly.. the lure of a big name coach, plus massive free agency will be too much for snyder to resist

[shally]

Because the FO was willing to part with Campbell with Zorn still intact and that the FO believes that Zorn is a good QB coach, I think they will keep Zorn one more year. If JC is let go, the FO will want to see how CB, CD and possibly a first rd QB pick do in Zorn's system.

not a chance... there is no way that zorn gets 1 year with a new qb.. new qb = new head coach

the only way i can see zorn staying is if campbell lights things up and the pair remain together..

[Swirvi]

Well, tied for best record. Who can forget Gibbs starting 0-5 and finishing up at 8-8 in route to an eventual Super Bowl victory the following year? Somehow, I have that 8-8 record ranked just a smidge higher than the 6-2 start / 2-6 finish debacle that was Zorn's first year.

Oh, and didn't Lombardi do pretty well his first and only season coaching here?

[shally]

i like that choice but am just wondering why Snyder will pick him over the other big name coaches that will be out there. Also, why would he come here over the other teams? Just curious.

couple of reasons:

shanahan and cerrato have a history together going back to san francisco

shanahan would not demand to be GM and HC, but he and cerrato would work better together than any other HC.. it would also tend to save cerrato's job as well. so i would expect vinny to push for shanahan as well

holmgren is a west coast kind of guy. all of his roots are there.. i cannot see him coming east if he has a choice

chucky is a loose cannon.. i could see him coming because he has a history with the eagles and would fit in well with the NFC east.. but his star has dimmed a lot

cowher would demand full control. he would likely cost the most, and his way of doing things is as far away from snyderrato as possible

failing those guys, i could see snyder making a very heavy push for pete carroll

one thing for sure, snyder will have learned his lesson from the last debacle..
we will have a new HC very soon after the season.. my guess is that Zorn is let go 1 hour after our last game and we have a new HC in place in less than a week.. there wont be any twisting in the wind this time..

[shally]

Oh, and didn't Lombardi do pretty well his first and only season coaching here?

7-5, i believe

no playoff but a complete change in the culture of losing.. he would have won consistently here..

[shally]

Well, tied for best record. Who can forget Gibbs starting 0-5 and finishing up at 8-8 in route to an eventual Super Bowl victory the following year? Somehow, I have that 8-8 record ranked just a smidge higher than the 6-2 start / 2-6 finish debacle that was Zorn's first year.

exactly.. this was more like Norv's slide from 6-1 or 7-1 to being totally out of the playoffs

the big difference was that in joe gibbs first year we had a total change over of the o line. we also had a rip roaring offense but had trouble stopping teams.

we had a legitimate starting qb who was in his 7th year in the nfl

[GenMgr]

not a chance... there is no way that zorn gets 1 year with a new qb.. new qb = new head coach

the only way i can see zorn staying is if campbell lights things up and the pair remain together..


With an uncapped year, I can see the possible purging including the FO, otherwise if a new CBA is reached, I can see the FO strongly considering keeping Zorn while maintaining its rights over Campbell as a RFA.

[Patrick]

I see Zorn here as long as the team shows improvement.

[shally]

I see Zorn here as long as the team shows improvement.

that would go against all history of snyder's actions in the past

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

that would go against all history of snyder's actions in the past

hit the nail on the head shally!
i hope zorn is'nt buying a house cause it will be on the market the 1st week of 2010.shannahan has probably working on plays and potential free agents for next season as we speak.:thinker:

[shally]

hit the nail on the head shally!
i hope zorn is'nt buying a house cause it will be on the market the 1st week of 2010.shannahan has probably working on plays and potential free agents for next season as we speak.:thinker:

a very reasonable assumption

[colkurtz]

I knew about gibbs year 1 at 8-8 and I understand many of the arguments concerning zorn only lasting this season, no matter what.

However, I just wonder how Snyder justifies firing a coach who goes, say 9-7 or 10-6? Especially since that will match the best we've seen in the entire Snyder era. Doesn't that just show the NFL that Snyder has a relentless "win now" strategy and proves he has the shortest coach leash except maybe Oakland. Why would anyone come here under those circumstances?

Personally, I don't think Zorn will win 9-7 or 10-6. But Snyder would have kept Spurrier under far worse conditions [5-11 and offered another season before he quit].

Perhaps the blood in the water of big-name coaches is too much for Snyder. Perhaps he doesn't care what the NFL thinks about his coach-firing ways. Perhaps he is really one of the worst owners in the NFL. However, I still wonder if he might not want to preserve his little fantasy team with a coach that can be manipulated, to keep a coach who holds his tongue and puts up with the other irregularities of the Snyder regime.

I'd like to get Shannihan especially if it controls the Snyderrato mis-management.

[shally]

I knew about gibbs year 1 at 8-8 and I understand many of the arguments concerning zorn only lasting this season, no matter what.

However, I just wonder how Snyder justifies firing a coach who goes, say 9-7 or 10-6? Especially since that will match the best we've seen in the entire Snyder era. Doesn't that just show the NFL that Snyder has a relentless "win now" strategy and proves he has the shortest coach leash except maybe Oakland. Why would anyone come here under those circumstances?

Personally, I don't think Zorn will win 9-7 or 10-6. But Snyder would have kept Spurrier under far worse conditions [5-11 and offered another season before he quit].

Perhaps the blood in the water of big-name coaches is too much for Snyder. Perhaps he doesn't care what the NFL thinks about his coach-firing ways. Perhaps he is really one of the worst owners in the NFL. However, I still wonder if he might not want to preserve his little fantasy team with a coach that can be manipulated, to keep a coach who holds his tongue and puts up with the other irregularities of the Snyder regime.

I'd like to get Shannihan especially if it controls the Snyderrato mis-management.


zorn will be gone after 2009.. too many implausibles need to happen
for him to be retained

[joethefan]

Look for Zorn to be driven out by Danny ala "i wanna spend more time with my family".


Many different pictures here...Holmgrem could come, coach the team and ask Zorn to be the OC esp if Jason Stays....

Just because Shanny has history w vinnie, they would have to move quickly if Shanny is the guy, why shanny also has history w Jerry. New stadium, 3 backs that can do it. Jerry may ask Wade to stay and coach the defense.
No matter what, Shanny will be in the east this year.

Gruden is too firey for Danny.....Portis would be complaining to the media to danny the first week.

Cohwer would cost too much and would want full control. Danny aint givin that up for no one...

[ryflan47]

I think the Redskins and North Korea have a lot of things in common. The first being a short man with a lot of power he probably shouldn't have, and the second is that if either screws up, they're going to explode. If we start out crappy (0-5, 1-5) or end crappy (close to 4-10 near the end of the year with playoffs out of the picture), there is no way Zorn survives. If Korea tries to bomb us in Hawaii at some point, we're going to ruin their world. Both are in a current state of disaster and unstable future.

[shally]

Look for Zorn to be driven out by Danny ala "i wanna spend more time with my family".


Many different pictures here...Holmgrem could come, coach the team and ask Zorn to be the OC esp if Jason Stays....

Just because Shanny has history w vinnie, they would have to move quickly if Shanny is the guy, why shanny also has history w Jerry. New stadium, 3 backs that can do it. Jerry may ask Wade to stay and coach the defense.
No matter what, Shanny will be in the east this year.

Gruden is too firey for Danny.....Portis would be complaining to the media to danny the first week.

Cohwer would cost too much and would want full control. Danny aint givin that up for no one...


i agree with most of what you say..but nothing could have been odder than snyder and marty as a pairing, and yet it happened..so all are in play next year..

i think we will see snyder make a very quick decision. we wont have any getting behind other teams this time around.. in fact, it would not surprise me one bit if snyder has already had a couple of informal dinners with the likes of shanahan, or perhaps even holmgren.. nothing official, you know, just a couple of old football warriors talking things over... right...

snyder will get his man in less than a week after the season ends.. he will interview blache, just to pay lip service to the rooney rule.. maybe even gray..
but, i would bet you anything, we wont get treated to the same circus next time around..

[smoak]

If the over/under on Zorn was 33 games and I was forced to bet a paycheck.... I'd have to take the under.

[firehawk157]

I haven't voted yet, but I think if Zorn ends bad, he's gone (regardless of record). I think if he surges late, he could earn himself another year.

[Hr fan]

Barring a deep playoff run, he's gone after this season. If there's no cap and the skins decide to gut the team, nothing short of a super bowl appearance will save his job.

+1. Given the contracts recently renegotiated, 2010 is a massive makeover year with 2011 being the target IMO. Plus few name coaches will want to serve under the Snyderatto regeme. If a HOFer couldn't do it, why ruin your rep? Change for change sake is the Snyderatto motto.

[dj_stouty]

I think the team we saw during the 2nd half of '08 will be the one that takes the field in week one of '09.

Aside from getting Dock back, the offense has not done a thing to improve. The defense will be automatically better with Fat Albert, but I don't think they will be able to counterbalance the inadequacies of the offense.

The only chance of this team making a run for the playoffs is if the defense stands on its head, produces a plethora of turnovers and actually scores points.

I just dont see that happening, so I predict Zorn is fired during the bye week after a humiliating loss at home on MNF to the Fecals.

[shally]

I think the team we saw during the 2nd half of '08 will be the one that takes the field in week one of '09.

Aside from getting Dock back, the offense has not done a thing to improve. The defense will be automatically better with Fat Albert, but I don't think they will be able to counterbalance the inadequacies of the offense.

The only chance of this team making a run for the playoffs is if the defense stands on its head, produces a plethora of turnovers and actually scores points.

I just dont see that happening, so I predict Zorn is fired during the bye week after a humiliating loss at home on MNF to the Fecals.


following your comments, given the number of former HC's out there, does snyder get the jump onthe other owners and hire shanahan mid season, or does he go with blache as an interim coach? and if he does go for shanny, how does he get around the Rooney rule in mid season ?

[dj_stouty]

following your comments, given the number of former HC's out there, does snyder get the jump onthe other owners and hire shanahan mid season, or does he go with blache as an interim coach? and if he does go for shanny, how does he get around the Rooney rule in mid season ?

Does the Rooney rule exist for interim coaches mid-season? Probably not for internal promotion.

Either way, I think think Blatche will get interim coach to close out the season and that will give Danny plenty of time to wine-n-dine the Shannys and Cowhers of the NFL unemployed world.

Conspiracy Theory - That will also give Danny and Vinny a full season of watching Notre Damn underperform so they can get their paws on Charlie Weiss. ;)

[shally]

Does the Rooney rule exist for interim coaches mid-season? Probably not for internal promotion.

Either way, I think think Blatche will get interim coach to close out the season and that will give Danny plenty of time to wine-n-dine the Shannys and Cowhers of the NFL unemployed world.

Conspiracy Theory - That will also give Danny and Vinny a full season of watching Notre Damn underperform so they can get their paws on Charlie Weiss. ;)


i totally agree with you about weis.. he is a stealth candidate.. i am uncertain just how good he is. sure, he was great with brady as qb, but so what, even i could be.. is weis-at-ND the real coach ?
or is he like the first incarnation of bellichick at cleveland, someone who will succeed in his second chance? i think, in that sense, he is a much higher risk than shanahan

has any notre dame coach had success inthe nfl? leahy (chargers GM),
devine, holtz did essentially nothing.. parsegian never went pro.. why should we expect weis to succeed where others have failed ?

[shally]

and the rooney rule does not apply to interim coaches.. last year the rams could elevate haslett without problems.. but when they talked about making the job permananent, they were told they couldnt without interviewing

[NamVet4]

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore, . . .

Daniel Snyder will bring in his "reserve" coach during the season!( That being who ever he has already started preliminary negotiations with )

The "win now... fantasy football " way that Daniel Snyder runs the organization allows for very little margin of error. Coach Zorn has stretched that margin to the breaking point based on the last years mid season melt down.
Coaching continuity and team development are, like Coach's salaries, insignificant to Daniel Snyder...

[GenMgr]

I think that the FO will be more inclined to move players rather than coaches if the season goes downhill because of the amount of control the FO currently has over the staff. The FO will blame Campbell if the ending isn't good, and Zorn will get a chance to develop one of his hand-picked QBs on the roster.

The only way I see Zorn being ousted is if there is a full scale mutiny by the team or if Vinnie loses his job first. Cerrato also backs this up when he stated on ESPN 980, that Zorn's job was on the line if the team didn't respond well for the last Eagles game.

[esmith1790]

what VET coach wants to dis-assemble then reassemble the team?

Most vet coaches want to come in and take it to the next level. Not start from scratch.

This roster will have to have a major over-haul.

[shally]

what VET coach wants to dis-assemble then reassemble the team?

Most vet coaches want to come in and take it to the next level. Not start from scratch.

This roster will have to have a major over-haul.

quite the contrary.. vet head coaches dont want to deal with leftovers and headaches from past regimes.. usually within 2-3 years all are gone

[dj_stouty]

Maybe Danny will pull another "offensive consultant" hire and this time it will be Zorn's eventual replacement.

[sinskin]

what VET coach wants to dis-assemble then reassemble the team?

Most vet coaches want to come in and take it to the next level. Not start from scratch.

This roster will have to have a major over-haul.

The Tuna will do exactly that. he has made a career out of overhauling teams!

[colkurtz]

Shannihan would only come here with full personnel and coaching control. He's also going to want big bucks per season with poison-pill early out clauses.

If Snyder wants to get rid of Zorn and replace him with a real and experienced HC then he's going to have to pay dearly for that AND give up control. Vinny is well known in the NFL [not a compliment] and no name coach is going to let him make any personnel decisions. He may stay around without any real power.

[shally]

Shannihan would only come here with full personnel and coaching control. He's also going to want big bucks per season with poison-pill early out clauses.

If Snyder wants to get rid of Zorn and replace him with a real and experienced HC then he's going to have to pay dearly for that AND give up control. Vinny is well known in the NFL [not a compliment] and no name coach is going to let him make any personnel decisions. He may stay around without any real power.

shanahan had total control and denver and lost it.. same with holmgren in seattle.. cowher never had it is pitts..

those guys are smart enough to have learned it is better to have input into personnel, than total control over it.. it is simply too much for any one person

what shanahan will want is a personnel guy he can work with, and get his way when he needs to.. i believe that Vinny will bend over backwards for him..

i cant say that either holmgren or cowher would feel the same way, but both those guys are too old to survive doing both jobs, and they know it.. for what they are going to get paid, why kill yourself and burn out ?

they will all remake the roster in the way they want. they dont need total control to do that

[shally]

The Tuna will do exactly that. he has made a career out of overhauling teams!

right.. and this is the first time he doesnt need to control day to day team practices, plays, etc etc.. he can do what he likes to do best: shop for the groceries..

[GibbsFan]

Zorn is toast already. As I look at the schedule, we will start off 7-2 or 6-3. Then stumble to 9-7 or 8-8 if a lot things go right. There are just as many that could go wrong. Zorn is and has been an interim, or until Danny gets his next wish granted.

[LATrueRedskin]

I would love for Zorn to be the long-term solution for this team, and I really hope he turns out to be. But, my gut is telling me Snyder will go for one of the big boys next season no matter what Zorn does with the season.

[shally]

I would love for Zorn to be the long-term solution for this team, and I really hope he turns out to be. But, my gut is telling me Snyder will go for one of the big boys next season no matter what Zorn does with the season.

if he dumped marty after 1 year of 8-8 to hire spurrier, i think he will dump zorn if anything less than 2 post season games are achieved.

as you say, too many name coaches are out there waiting for his call, and his checks..

[SkinsGuru]

Daniel Snyder will bring in his "reserve" coach during the season!( That being who ever he has already started preliminary negotiations with )

The "win now... fantasy football " way that Daniel Snyder runs the organization allows for very little margin of error. Coach Zorn has stretched that margin to the breaking point based on the last years mid season melt down.
Coaching continuity and team development are, like Coach's salaries, insignificant to Daniel Snyder...

I disagree about the coaching continuity . . . Snyder started out that way, but he hasn't fired a coach since Marty Ball . . . Is it Danny boys fault that the ole ball coach quit or gibbs retired . . . think about it, he hasn't fired a coach in 8 years

[shally]

I disagree about the coaching continuity . . . Snyder started out that way, but he hasn't fired a coach since Marty Ball . . . Is it Danny boys fault that the ole ball coach quit or gibbs retired . . . think about it, he hasn't fired a coach in 8 years

he will make up for it next year..lol

[MadDog97]

he will make up for it next year..lol

I agree that unless Zorn produces a team that goes deep into the playoff, he is done, along with JC. I think the front office will once again show its immaturity and go for the big name. I see a return to the revolving door.

I also hope I am dead wrong.

[shally]

I agree that unless Zorn produces a team that goes deep into the playoff, he is done, along with JC. I think the front office will once again show its immaturity and go for the big name. I see a return to the revolving door.

I also hope I am dead wrong.

realistically, if Zorn cannot do better than he did last year, he has no business being retained.. let's face it, his performance last year with a team that went 9-7 the year before was totally UNDERWHELMING.

there were excuses to be sure, but there are always excuses. good teams and good coaches overcome them. he and his entire offensive staff looked totally overmatched the entire second half of the season.
had not landry and smoot made a last play stop on the eagles, we would have gone O for the second half, and i think Zorn might have actually been canned at the end of last year

there is simply NO way that someone like shanahan, cowher, holmgren, or even, Chucky wouldnt assemble a more professional, higher achiving staff.

as little confidence as i have in Zorn, i have even less in Smith and the rest of the offensive coaching staff (with the exception of Bugel).. these guys have yet to prove they even belong at the level they are coaching

i keep coming back to the concept that if you are an inexperienced head coach, you want the best talent you can find backing you up.. instead what we have is essentially an entire staff that is new to their positions and learning on the job.. it really shows. and this falls on zorn's shoulders. i have no doubt that if zorn had asked snyderrato to get him someone with the equivalent resume of al saunders, they would have..

[chicago_skinz_fan]

realistically, if Zorn cannot do better than he did last year, he has no business being retained.. let's face it, his performance last year with a team that went 9-7 the year before was totally UNDERWHELMING.

there were excuses to be sure, but there are always excuses. good teams and good coaches overcome them. he and his entire offensive staff looked totally overmatched the entire second half of the season.
had not landry and smoot made a last play stop on the eagles, we would have gone O for the second half, and i think Zorn might have actually been canned at the end of last year

there is simply NO way that someone like shanahan, cowher, holmgren, or even, Chucky wouldnt assemble a more professional, higher achiving staff.

as little confidence as i have in Zorn, i have even less in Smith and the rest of the offensive coaching staff (with the exception of Bugel).. these guys have yet to prove they even belong at the level they are coaching

i keep coming back to the concept that if you are an inexperienced head coach, you want the best talent you can find backing you up.. instead what we have is essentially an entire staff that is new to their positions and learning on the job.. it really shows. and this falls on zorn's shoulders. i have no doubt that if zorn had asked snyderrato to get him someone with the equivalent resume of al saunders, they would have..

I remember when we had Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders as our coaches and thinking, man what an amazing coaching staff. That didn't seem to work either.

I agree Zorn probably isn't the right person for this team, but whatever we do in the next offseason, I hope we pick someone and stick with them for years to come. I really don't want shades of Marty and Steve Spurrier returning...

[BSMKF]

I don't know I think he might be around longer then people think.....Zorn and Snyder seem to have a good relationship.

[Hr fan]

following your comments, given the number of former HC's out there, does snyder get the jump onthe other owners and hire shanahan mid season, or does he go with blache as an interim coach? and if he does go for shanny, how does he get around the Rooney rule in mid season ?

By calling the midseason hiring "interim" and going through a compliant (oh, yeah) "search" after the season.

[shally]

By calling the midseason hiring "interim" and going through a compliant (oh, yeah) "search" after the season.

yup.. i dont see snyder going through the same process this next time..

[colkurtz]

If we get rid of Zorn next year, what's the chance of Vinny going with him? Zorn was his recommendation and he's also got to answer for his draft picks from two seasons. We'll know a lot more about the rookie WR/TE gamble and the draft choices this season.

If Zorn is a bust, if the offense is a bust, is JC doesn't improve, if most of the draft picks bust - can Snyder lay it all on the coach [Zorn]?

If zorn is let go with a .500 win/loss or better - how will Snyder justify dropping him when he has the best (or equal to the best) record of any coaches in his era?
Marty disagreed with Snyder. Zorn has publically been totally supportive in every way.

[shally]

If we get rid of Zorn next year, what's the chance of Vinny going with him? Zorn was his recommendation and he's also got to answer for his draft picks from two seasons. We'll know a lot more about the rookie WR/TE gamble and the draft choices this season.

If Zorn is a bust, if the offense is a bust, is JC doesn't improve, if most of the draft picks bust - can Snyder lay it all on the coach [Zorn]?

If zorn is let go with a .500 win/loss or better - how will Snyder justify dropping him when he has the best (or equal to the best) record of any coaches in his era?
Marty disagreed with Snyder. Zorn has publically been totally supportive in every way.

if Zorn is fired, my guess is that Vinny will still survive it, depending upon who is hired.. if it is Shanny, i would think it will be business as usual but with Vinny and Shanny working together on personnel.

if it is Cowher, Vinny either gets severely marginalized or dumped completely.
with someone like Holmgren or Chucky, i cant really say.. anyone else, i think Vinny survives

[saratogan]

It is all about the W-L record. For the Redskins this year, so much is being laid on JC's shoulders. If the team falters, then you will see a run for a top notch QB (mega-millions) or all or nothing trade or top QB in draft. Zorn is safe for at least one more year.

We should not forget that the defence, led by Blache, will have a very good year or an outstanding year, keeping us in almost everygame. The point spread on loses last year was minor. The offense will need only to score 7 to ten points more per game to improve upon last year's W-L record. The points scored on us was very low every game, despite the injuries.

It takes a minimum 2 years to install the WC system. Some experts indicate it requires going into the third and fourth years for the system to be fluid (meaning everyone has leared it and it becomes instinctive).

The FO knows the system will take time. Zorn is safe for at least one more year. Campbell has only this year, for better or for worse, he is the either the champion or the goat this coming year.

[smoak]

If we get rid of Zorn next year, what's the chance of Vinny going with him? Zorn was his recommendation and he's also got to answer for his draft picks from two seasons. We'll know a lot more about the rookie WR/TE gamble and the draft choices this season.

If Zorn is a bust, if the offense is a bust, is JC doesn't improve, if most of the draft picks bust - can Snyder lay it all on the coach [Zorn]?

If zorn is let go with a .500 win/loss or better - how will Snyder justify dropping him when he has the best (or equal to the best) record of any coaches in his era?
Marty disagreed with Snyder. Zorn has publically been totally supportive in every way.

And that is the main reason I loved Marty ball.

I certainly don't lay it at Zorn's feet (it 100% starts with lil dannie), but it is a fact that he and the team CHOKED last season... to not make the playoffs after that amazing start was unimaginable. sadly, i said that losing to dallass at home after the bye week was a nail in the coffin and sadly that turned out to be correct. they just came out and played like lifeless teenagers stuck in a serious funk.

[smoak]

It is all about the W-L record. For the Redskins this year, so much is being laid on JC's shoulders. If the team falters, then you will see a run for a top notch QB (mega-millions) or all or nothing trade or top QB in draft. Zorn is safe for at least one more year.

We should not forget that the defence, led by Blache, will have a very good year or an outstanding year, keeping us in almost everygame. The point spread on loses last year was minor. The offense will need only to score 7 to ten points more per game to improve upon last year's W-L record. The points scored on us was very low every game, despite the injuries.

It takes a minimum 2 years to install the WC system. Some experts indicate it requires going into the third and fourth years for the system to be fluid (meaning everyone has leared it and it becomes instinctive).

The FO knows the system will take time. Zorn is safe for at least one more year. Campbell has only this year, for better or for worse, he is the either the champion or the goat this coming year.

For the record, I hope you are correct, but I didn't see JC as the problem at all last season. I saw an overwhelmed o-line (not addressed) and a coach who got the "deer in the headlights" look once he was sitting near the top of the standings. Our play calling went from calculatingly aggressive to just stupid. Hopefully that changes.

[Fathead]

If the team falters, then you will see a run for a top notch QB (mega-millions) or all or nothing trade or top QB in draft. Zorn is safe for at least one more year.

It takes a minimum 2 years to install the WC system. Some experts indicate it requires going into the third and fourth years for the system to be fluid (meaning everyone has leared it and it becomes instinctive).

The FO knows the system will take time. Zorn is safe for at least one more year. Campbell has only this year, for better or for worse, he is the either the champion or the goat this coming year.


Which top level qb? Because drafting a QB to have to start over with the 2 years you say are required doesn't jive with your Zorn has the 2010 season in the bag.


I'm sorry, but if we aren't successful this season, Danny is gonna want a huge splash, get the big name coach and give him a fortune to get a new roster.

[dogfight6]

He will be fired in a lot less than one day.

[BSMKF]

Y'all boys must be smoking something Zorn will be here for the next 10 years...................Colt will make sure of that.

[shally]

Y'all boys must be smoking something Zorn will be here for the next 10 years...................Colt will make sure of that.

now, THERE is a novel take on things..lol

[Patrick]

Y'all boys must be smoking something Zorn will be here for the next 10 years...................Colt will make sure of that.
Zorn will be here if he's a quick learner and overcomes his mistakes of last season, is lucky to only have to absorbs a minimal amount of player injuries, AND improves his record from last year. I'm not sure Colt will be "THE" factor. On the flip side - STRANGER things have happen in the NFL.

[shally]

Zorn will be here if he's a quick learner and overcomes his mistakes of last season, is lucky to only have to absorbs a minimal amount of player injuries, AND improves his record from last year. I'm not sure Colt will be "THE" factor. On the flip side - STRANGER things have happen in the NFL.

agree.. for the first half of the season, Zorn was one step ahead of our opponents coaches.. for the second half, he was WAY behind them and it really showed in our inability to adjust to anything

if he grows as a coach and if our offensive coaching staff proves to be NFL-worthy, he will survive (barring injuries).. if he doesnt, it will be readily apparent and he will be gone

[colkurtz]

now, THERE is a novel take on things..lol

At least he is bold! I just can't see Snyder letting Zorn go with a winning record.
Although Danny Snyder and Cerrato often panic in a crisis - they may sit for another year if Zorn keeps the record above .500.

Of course, I don't think Zorn can keep the record above that mark.

[shally]

At least he is bold! I just can't see Snyder letting Zorn go with a winning record.
Although Danny Snyder and Cerrato often panic in a crisis - they may sit for another year if Zorn keeps the record above .500.

Of course, I don't think Zorn can keep the record above that mark.

i think Zorn is more likely to make snyder's job easier, than harder..

[esmith1790]

Y'all boys must be smoking something Zorn will be here for the next 10 years...................Colt will make sure of that.

I thought COLT was GOD and he doesnt even need a Head coach, They will be the first team to have a Head coach/QB. This way Danny can pay the Head coach what ever he wants to and get around the salary cap problem.

[Patrick]

I thought COLT was GOD and he doesnt even need a Head coach, They will be the first team to have a Head coach/QB. This way Danny can pay the Head coach what ever he wants to and get around the salary cap problem.
???? who said that ..............

[lorimike]

Would not the firing of Zorn be an indictment on the judgement of Snyderatto? I like Zorn and I think he should have at least 5 years before he can be truly evaluated.

[shally]

Would not the firing of Zorn be an indictment on the judgement of Snyderatto? I like Zorn and I think he should have at least 5 years before he can be truly evaluated.

of course it is.. but Gibbs sandbagged them somewhat by waiting to announce

i would never give a mediocre coach 5 years.. when you see what can be accomplished in 1 or 2 years, no team is going to bury itself for that length of time.

right now it looks as if Zorn is badly overmatched.. he needs to have personally had an exceptional offseason if he is to survive beyond this year