2009 Redskins Training Camp Thread .....

[Patrick]

Thought I start this thread to consolidate all the training camp reports, talk, and rumors - at least up to the first preseason game.

First thing apparent - Everyone in camp except Orakpo and it doesn't look like thats going to happen today either. It appears that the 26 (approx.) unsigned #1s are waiting to be slotted accordingly BUT it's all based around Micheal Crabtree (WR, San Fran)? At least that's how the Washington Post is reporting it. I hope this get figured out soon.

The other thing that I found of interest is last light in an interview with Zorn (WJLA ?) he said that everyone will report to camp healthy. Even if that only close to being true - that's a good start. NOW can the Skins just make it through the first day of camp without a season ending injury :rolleyes:

[frankez99]

Thought I start this thread to consolidate all the training camp reports, talk, and rumors - at least up to the first preseason game.

First thing apparent - Everyone in camp except Orakpo and it doesn't look like thats going to happen today either. It appears that the 26 (approx.) unsigned #1s are waiting to be slotted accordingly BUT it's all based around Micheal Crabtree (WR, San Fran)? At least that's how the Washington Post is reporting it. I hope this get figured out soon.

The other thing that I found of interest is last light in an interview with Zorn (WJLA ?) he said that everyone will report to camp healthy. Even if that only close to being true - that's a good start. NOW can the Skins just make it through the first day of camp without a season ending injury :rolleyes:

Orakpo really needs to get into camp.....especially since he is starting a BRAND NEW position for himself. These 1st rounders are taking a lot of time to sign (odd, being that they HAVE NEVER STEPPED ON an NFL field; gotta love the sense of entitlement!).

And all I'm going to do is plug my ears and close my eyes until week one; and hope nobody got injured in camp/preseason! :)

[LATrueRedskin]

Good God I am pumped right now. Football is here!

[The Skinsinator]

Can anyone who is going please provide a recap of all practices attended? This is the first year in awhile I haven't been able to go. Thanks.

[Patrick]

Orakpo really needs to get into camp.....especially since he is starting a BRAND NEW position for himself. These 1st rounders are taking a lot of time to sign (odd, being that they HAVE NEVER STEPPED ON an NFL field; gotta love the sense of entitlement!).

And all I'm going to do is plug my ears and close my eyes until week one; and hope nobody got injured in camp/preseason! :)
Agree 100% regardless about the position change - Just the fact he's a rookie. ........ did find it interesting that in the Rick Maese piece (Washington Post today) - Rockey McIntosh about Orakop is quoted "Physically and mentally, he's way ahead. He's been doing well out there" ........ sure hope that's a sign of good things to come.

[shally]

Thought I start this thread to consolidate all the training camp reports, talk, and rumors - at least up to the first preseason game.

First thing apparent - Everyone in camp except Orakpo and it doesn't look like thats going to happen today either. It appears that the 26 (approx.) unsigned #1s are waiting to be slotted accordingly BUT it's all based around Micheal Crabtree (WR, San Fran)? At least that's how the Washington Post is reporting it. I hope this get figured out soon.

The other thing that I found of interest is last light in an interview with Zorn (WJLA ?) he said that everyone will report to camp healthy. Even if that only close to being true - that's a good start. NOW can the Skins just make it through the first day of camp without a season ending injury :rolleyes:

if it is dependent upon crabtree, it is going to be a long, ugly time before a lot of first rounders come in.. the guy is totally unrealistic, wanting top 3 money, if the reporting is accurate

[BurgundyNGold]

Good God I am pumped right now. Football is here!
I am starting to get the fever pretty bad myself lol.

[redskin_rich]

I am starting to get the fever pretty bad myself lol.

I'm not feeling it. This team is going to be dreadful.

Anyhow, I plan on attending camp next Tuesday and if I don't get thrown out or arrested for beating the spit out of any of the Redskins lackeys, I'll write up a report.

[shally]

I'm not feeling it. This team is going to be dreadful.

Anyhow, I plan on attending camp next Tuesday and if I don't get thrown out or arrested for beating the spit out of any of the Redskins lackeys, I'll write up a report.

cant wait to read your thoughts..

[redskin_rich]

LOL... :doh:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/20365801.jpg

[PA skins fan]

Ive had the fever bad for about 3 weeks, now training camp is finally here Ive gotten it worse. Ill be checking back all day for updates.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

So does Orakpo expect to learn his new position while sitting on the couch in his house?

[CarMike]

I'm not feeling it. This team is going to be dreadful.

Me neither Rich. Perhaps it'll hit before the regular season. Plus, not living around DC its hard to get pumped 'till you see the 'Skins on TV. At least that's how it is for me.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I am starting to get the fever pretty bad myself lol.

Puncher's chance taking over? This team may surprise some people. Hopefully for 16+ games this time rather than 8.

[Hrabanmaur]

From the Redskins Training Camp Blog (http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Training_Camp_Practice_Report__July_30_44711.jsp):

DeAngelo Hall batted away a deep pass to Devin Thomas, although the ball was slightly underthrown by Jason Campbell.
Undrafted rookie Keith Eloi against veteran Fred Smoot: Eloi clearly pushed off Smoot to get open and pull in a pass. Jerry Gray, standing nearby, clapped his hands, a sign of praise for Smoot.
Acrobatic Antwaan Randle El reached across his body to make a remarkable catch in front of a defender. The reception drew some "Ooohs" and "Aaahs" from fans.
Trent Shelton fell down as he tried to race past Michael Grant. No play.
Marques Hagans went deep versus Kevin Barnes and pulled in the pass from Todd Collins.
Malcolm Kelly made a nice cutback in front of Smoot to pull in a slant pass. Nice play, but Jim Zorn quickly jogged to Kelly after the play to give more instruction on his route-running.
Thomas ran a deep pattern and beat undrafted rookie Doug Dutch for a touchdown.
Grant played too deep, allowing Eloi to stop short and pull in the pass from Campbell.
Justin Tryon maintained good coverage against Shelton, and was in position to get in front of the ball and bat away Collins’ pass.
Byron Westbrook made downfield contact with Randle El while defending a short route. Randle El stopped, knowing it was an infraction. Westbrook kept going and batted away the pass.
Thomas ran another impressive route, twice juking out Tryon to get wide open on a downfield route.
Last play: Kelly vs. Hall. Kelly took a sideline route to get past Hall. He leaped up over the two-time Pro Bowl cornerback to pull in a pass, drawing applause from fans.

Sounds like the defense isn't schooling the offense as much as last year's camp.

[CarMike]

LMAO... (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

Wife returned from a shopping trip last night. "I bought you a new #Skins jersey! It was only $12!". I now have a #55 Taylor.

[LATrueRedskin]

LMAO... (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

lol priceless

[shally]

From the Redskins Training Camp Blog (http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Training_Camp_Practice_Report__July_30_44711.jsp):

DeAngelo Hall batted away a deep pass to Devin Thomas, although the ball was slightly underthrown by Jason Campbell.
Undrafted rookie Keith Eloi against veteran Fred Smoot: Eloi clearly pushed off Smoot to get open and pull in a pass. Jerry Gray, standing nearby, clapped his hands, a sign of praise for Smoot.
Acrobatic Antwaan Randle El reached across his body to make a remarkable catch in front of a defender. The reception drew some "Ooohs" and "Aaahs" from fans.
Trent Shelton fell down as he tried to race past Michael Grant. No play.
Marques Hagans went deep versus Kevin Barnes and pulled in the pass from Todd Collins.
Malcolm Kelly made a nice cutback in front of Smoot to pull in a slant pass. Nice play, but Jim Zorn quickly jogged to Kelly after the play to give more instruction on his route-running.
Thomas ran a deep pattern and beat undrafted rookie Doug Dutch for a touchdown.
Grant played too deep, allowing Eloi to stop short and pull in the pass from Campbell.
Justin Tryon maintained good coverage against Shelton, and was in position to get in front of the ball and bat away Collins’ pass.
Byron Westbrook made downfield contact with Randle El while defending a short route. Randle El stopped, knowing it was an infraction. Westbrook kept going and batted away the pass.
Thomas ran another impressive route, twice juking out Tryon to get wide open on a downfield route.
Last play: Kelly vs. Hall. Kelly took a sideline route to get past Hall. He leaped up over the two-time Pro Bowl cornerback to pull in a pass, drawing applause from fans.

Sounds like the defense isn't schooling the offense as much as last year's camp.


interesting.. defense usually is far ahead at this point...maybe offense is playing with a little attitude ??

[shally]

LMAO... (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

could have been worse-- could have been a deion..lol

[CarMike]

could have been worse-- could have been a deion..lol

back about 10 years ago I FINALLY got a Redskins jersey for christmas....an authentic autographed jersey at that.....Dana Stubblefield. :banghead:

[LATrueRedskin]

interesting.. defense usually is far ahead at this point...maybe offense is playing with a little attitude ??

Man, I hope so. We need that on offense. I hope the receivers play with a little more heart this year. Sounds like Thomas is shining again in practice. Hopefully he'll transfer it onto the field on gameday.

[LATrueRedskin]

back about 10 years ago I FINALLY got a Redskins jersey for christmas....an authentic autographed jersey at that.....Dana Stubblefield. :banghead:

I have a Michael Westbrook jersey hanging up deep in my closet right now.

[Red Bear]

From the Redskins Training Camp Blog (http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Training_Camp_Practice_Report__July_30_44711.jsp):

DeAngelo Hall batted away a deep pass to Devin Thomas, although the ball was slightly underthrown by Jason Campbell.
Undrafted rookie Keith Eloi against veteran Fred Smoot: Eloi clearly pushed off Smoot to get open and pull in a pass. Jerry Gray, standing nearby, clapped his hands, a sign of praise for Smoot.
Acrobatic Antwaan Randle El reached across his body to make a remarkable catch in front of a defender. The reception drew some "Ooohs" and "Aaahs" from fans.
Trent Shelton fell down as he tried to race past Michael Grant. No play.
Marques Hagans went deep versus Kevin Barnes and pulled in the pass from Todd Collins.
Malcolm Kelly made a nice cutback in front of Smoot to pull in a slant pass. Nice play, but Jim Zorn quickly jogged to Kelly after the play to give more instruction on his route-running.
Thomas ran a deep pattern and beat undrafted rookie Doug Dutch for a touchdown.
Grant played too deep, allowing Eloi to stop short and pull in the pass from Campbell.
Justin Tryon maintained good coverage against Shelton, and was in position to get in front of the ball and bat away Collins’ pass.
Byron Westbrook made downfield contact with Randle El while defending a short route. Randle El stopped, knowing it was an infraction. Westbrook kept going and batted away the pass.
Thomas ran another impressive route, twice juking out Tryon to get wide open on a downfield route.
Last play: Kelly vs. Hall. Kelly took a sideline route to get past Hall. He leaped up over the two-time Pro Bowl cornerback to pull in a pass, drawing applause from fans.

Sounds like the defense isn't schooling the offense as much as last year's camp.

interesting.. defense usually is far ahead at this point...maybe offense is playing with a little attitude ??

for the record, those are from 1 on 1 drills. not 11 on 11 or even 7 on 7

[PA skins fan]

I have a Michael Westbrook jersey hanging up deep in my closet right now.

I live in eagles country and I got a trotter jersey when he left philly for us. That now is hanging in the back of my closet.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Great coverage. I am going to have a lot to read every day.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I've got a Patrick Ramsey jersey lol...

[fent]

i'm suddenly regretting not living in skins' country anymore...i'm at my desk ready to see some hitting and the only thing i can hope for is some Texans or Cowboys highlights on the news tonight.

[The Skinsinator]

i'm suddenly regretting not living in skins' country anymore...i'm at my desk ready to see some hitting and the only thing i can hope for is some Texans or Cowboys highlights on the news tonight.I've lived in this part of the country for awhile and it does get very old listening to the Cowgirls' coverage but thank the good Lord for the net so I can constantly keep up with the Skins. Especially this year since I couldn't make camp.

[shally]

I've lived in this part of the country for awhile and it does get very old listening to the Cowgirls' coverage but thank the good Lord for the net so I can constantly keep up with the Skins. Especially this year since I couldn't make camp.

all we get is seahags up here..

[fent]

I've lived in this part of the country for awhile and it does get very old listening to the Cowgirls' coverage but thank the good Lord for the net so I can constantly keep up with the Skins. Especially this year since I couldn't make camp.

yeah, i grew up in Fort Worth, so I'll get used to it again, but it's frustrating. i would not be surprised if i'm "forced" into sunday ticket by the middle of the preseason. right now i'm hoping i can hold out and just catch the games at bars...we'll see...

edit: apparently it's a lot cheaper than i thought....even with HD upgrade it's 27 bucks a game (i'll get the 2 dallas games anyway)....now i have to decide...watch every game at home or actually go to the game in Dallas...decisions decisions...

[shally]

yeah, i grew up in Fort Worth, so I'll get used to it again, but it's frustrating. i would not be surprised if i'm "forced" into sunday ticket by the middle of the preseason. right now i'm hoping i can hold out and just catch the games at bars...we'll see...

having lived in areas that were unfriendly to the Redskins, i would urge you to get sunday ticket, unless you are just into conflict..lol

sitting in a bar full of Redskin haters is simply no fun

[JasonCampbell]

My thoughts:

If anyone went last year, practice was pretty much what we saw last year in terms of setup, drills, etc.

Campbell was strong to start the practice, but didn't do as well towards the end. All other QBs were meh. Daniel (perhaps due to not looking like a football player at all) didn't impress me and was playing cornerback when the offense was running through plays...never saw a QB do that before, lol.

Aldridge is very fast and Dorsey is extremely quick. Either one would be an upgrade over Rock at kick returner. Hopefully one can play special teams.

Maybe it was because he was wearing bright yellow arm bands and stood out, but Devin Thomas looked good...much better than what I saw from him in TC last year. He burned some scrub CB for a deep pass and school Tryon after Tryon made some nice play earlier. Kelly didn't look as good to me as he did last year in TC, when he was obviously better than Thomas. Roydell Williams looks really, really slow. Maybe it is because he's learning new routes, but wow. Keith Eloi had some nice plays...in fact, I noticed him a lot during practice today.

Mike Williams no longer looks like a massive human being. Heyer's body looks more fit.

D. Hall got burnt a few times on one-on-one drills, but picked off a pass by JC (I think) in 11-on-11. Barnes made some nice plays...I don't even remember seeing (or hearing) much from Smoot. Dude is really skinny though. Reed Doughty picked off Daniel (that was for akh :))

I will say that the offense IMO looks better now than it did last year. The defense was clearly ahead of the offense last year...I'm not seeing that much (from today at least).

The guy with the Vick sign was with a couple other people (two wearing VT Vick jerseys, the other Campbell, lol). He said he was getting a lot of grief for it.

I think there were as many cameras on me as on the field. There were a bunch of people working for the Redskins photographing and video taping the fans. Had to resistant doing anything inappropriate. Crowd size was the same as a weekday last year.

[PA skins fan]

having lived in areas that were unfriendly to the Redskins, i would urge you to get sunday ticket, unless you are just into conflict..lol

sitting in a bar full of Redskin haters is simply no fun

Sunday ticket is the best thing you could get. Ive gotten it the past 5 years and will continue. Not only do I get to watch every second of every single skins game, but when the skins arent on, im not stuck watching the eagles, or whoever fox picks for me to watch.

[JasonCampbell]

Also, a benefit of veterans getting to stay at home means you get to watch them drive in if you are there early enough. Seeing Smoot in his ride was hysterical.

[hail2skins]

My thoughts:

If anyone went last year, practice was pretty much what we saw last year in terms of setup, drills, etc.

Campbell was strong to start the practice, but didn't do as well towards the end. All other QBs were meh. Daniel (perhaps due to not looking like a football player at all) didn't impress me and was playing cornerback when the offense was running through plays...never saw a QB do that before, lol.

Aldridge is very fast and Dorsey is extremely quick. Either one would be an upgrade over Rock at kick returner. Hopefully one can play special teams.

Maybe it was because he was wearing bright yellow arm bands and stood out, but Devin Thomas looked good...much better than what I saw from him in TC last year. He burned some scrub CB for a deep pass and school Tryon after Tryon made some nice play earlier. Kelly didn't look as good to me as he did last year in TC, when he was obviously better than Thomas. Roydell Williams looks really, really slow. Maybe it is because he's learning new routes, but wow. Keith Eloi had some nice plays...in fact, I noticed him a lot during practice today.

Mike Williams no longer looks like a massive human being. Heyer's body looks more fit.

D. Hall got burnt a few times on one-on-one drills, but picked off a pass by JC (I think) in 11-on-11. Barnes made some nice plays...I don't even remember seeing (or hearing) much from Smoot. Dude is really skinny though. Reed Doughty picked off Daniel (that was for akh :))

I will say that the offense IMO looks better now than it did last year. The defense was clearly ahead of the offense last year...I'm not seeing that much (from today at least).

The guy with the Vick sign was with a couple other people (two wearing VT Vick jerseys, the other Campbell, lol). He said he was getting a lot of grief for it.

I think there were as many cameras on me as on the field. There were a bunch of people working for the Redskins photographing and video taping the fans. Had to resistant doing anything inappropriate. Crowd size was the same as a weekday last year.Nice writeup and thanks. I'll throw this on the blog soon.

[shally]

+1

thanks for the observations and write up

[Hrabanmaur]

Nice writeup and thanks. I'll throw this on the blog soon.

I'd like to echo that statement. Thanks for the write-up JasonCampbell.

So, Keith Eloi = our new Mike Espy?

Interesting about Roydell Williams. Perhaps the injuries he sustained with the Titans really messed up his speed and cutting.

I'm relieved to hear that Devin looked good.

I'm a little confused about the Kelly comment. So did Kelly just not look as good last year? Or did Kelly not look as good this year because last year he looked so much better than Thomas and others (if that question isn't too confusing)?

[SkinsGuru]

i'm suddenly regretting not living in skins' country anymore...i'm at my desk ready to see some hitting and the only thing i can hope for is some Texans or Cowboys highlights on the news tonight.

I recieved a Coles jersey the week before he was traded back to the Jets

[jaylen]

Very Nice write up JC.

Damn can't believe we're here already ready to crank it up. Been a Skins fan since the 70's the excitement level never gets old.

Man I just wanna hear 2 things outta camp no injuries and our young wr's are looking good.

I enjoy taking this ride with you all during the season and look forward to doing so once again. Can't wait to get the 1st installment of the AKH post game breakdown really enjoyed those last season.

[JasonCampbell]

Interesting about Roydell Williams. Perhaps the injuries he sustained with the Titans really messed up his speed and cutting.

He looked really deliberate running. Prior to today I was hoping he'd be on the roster...after today, I want to see him a bit more.

I'm a little confused about the Kelly comment. So did Kelly just not look as good last year? Or did Kelly not look as good this year because last year he looked so much better than Thomas and others (if that question isn't too confusing)?

Maybe a bit of both. Before the two got hurt last year at TC (which was early, so a small sample), Kelly looked much better than Thomas. I thought Kelly could have made a much bigger impact than Thomas from just what I saw. Today, he didn't impress me as much as he did last year. He dropped a ball or two and just didn't wow me (which I'm sure last year I was impressed by his size as well).

Thomas was practicing with the first team (with Moss and ARE) and it looked deservingly so, over Kelly.

I'll also add, it doesn't look like Moss learned how to catch a ball from JC either :(

[BurgundyNGold]

My thoughts:

If anyone went last year, practice was pretty much what we saw last year in terms of setup, drills, etc.

Campbell was strong to start the practice, but didn't do as well towards the end. All other QBs were meh. Daniel (perhaps due to not looking like a football player at all) didn't impress me and was playing cornerback when the offense was running through plays...never saw a QB do that before, lol.

Aldridge is very fast and Dorsey is extremely quick. Either one would be an upgrade over Rock at kick returner. Hopefully one can play special teams.

Maybe it was because he was wearing bright yellow arm bands and stood out, but Devin Thomas looked good...much better than what I saw from him in TC last year. He burned some scrub CB for a deep pass and school Tryon after Tryon made some nice play earlier. Kelly didn't look as good to me as he did last year in TC, when he was obviously better than Thomas. Roydell Williams looks really, really slow. Maybe it is because he's learning new routes, but wow. Keith Eloi had some nice plays...in fact, I noticed him a lot during practice today.

Mike Williams no longer looks like a massive human being. Heyer's body looks more fit.

D. Hall got burnt a few times on one-on-one drills, but picked off a pass by JC (I think) in 11-on-11. Barnes made some nice plays...I don't even remember seeing (or hearing) much from Smoot. Dude is really skinny though. Reed Doughty picked off Daniel (that was for akh :))

I will say that the offense IMO looks better now than it did last year. The defense was clearly ahead of the offense last year...I'm not seeing that much (from today at least).

The guy with the Vick sign was with a couple other people (two wearing VT Vick jerseys, the other Campbell, lol). He said he was getting a lot of grief for it.

I think there were as many cameras on me as on the field. There were a bunch of people working for the Redskins photographing and video taping the fans. Had to resistant doing anything inappropriate. Crowd size was the same as a weekday last year.
Nice work, JC. Thanks for the lowdown.

[shally]

He looked really deliberate running. Prior to today I was hoping he'd be on the roster...after today, I want to see him a bit more.



Maybe a bit of both. Before the two got hurt last year at TC (which was early, so a small sample), Kelly looked much better than Thomas. I thought Kelly could have made a much bigger impact than Thomas from just what I saw. Today, he didn't impress me as much as he did last year. He dropped a ball or two and just didn't wow me (which I'm sure last year I was impressed by his size as well).

Thomas was practicing with the first team (with Moss and ARE) and it looked deservingly so, over Kelly.

I'll also add, it doesn't look like Moss learned how to catch a ball from JC either :(

when a guy goes from leading your team in receiving to off the team following an injury, you have to begin to wonder if the injury took enough away from a guy like Roydell to cost him his career.

certainly, there appeared to be no other issues at hand except the fact that the Titans didnt feel he was worth keeping at what it would cost them to keep him, and further, it doesnt look like the made much of ANY effort to retain him..they had a long time to watch his progress from injury, so my guess is that he has lost what made him special once upon a time.

just one practice, so maybe he can crank it up ??

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

FWIW, Chris Samuels allegedly told Kevin Sheenan that Jason has 6 or 7 games to prove himself.

And after that....

[fent]

FWIW, Chris Samuels allegedly told Kevin Sheenan that Jason has 6 or 7 games to prove himself.

And after that....

if this coaching staff had ANY authority figure, our pro-bowler would be running wind sprints all day tomorrow for saying that.

[shally]

FWIW, Chris Samuels allegedly told Kevin Sheenan that Jason has 6 or 7 games to prove himself.

And after that....

i had seen a reference to that on another site..

that is an awful thing to say..BUT it has the ring of truth to it.. people have to assume after the tumultuous off season that JC is on a very short leash

plus, the way the schedule shapes up, it looks as though the early part SHOULD be easier.. if we are struggling against th elikes of the lions and rams, it bodes very poorly. not just for Campbell, but for Zorn.. it would tend to reenforce the concept that the league has figured his offense out and that the final 8 games of last year were a true reading on him

this team MUST get off to a quick start if it is to contend against the rest of the nfc east

[JasonCampbell]

that is an awful thing to say..BUT it has the ring of truth to it.. people have to assume after the tumultuous off season that JC is on a very short leash



Not happy this was said (especially by Samuels), but it's true and I'm sure JC is well aware of it.

[hockeygoalie29]

My thoughts:

Campbell was strong to start the practice, but didn't do as well towards the end.



So he started the first half looking great and faded in the 2nd half? Where have I heard this before? Ha ha.

[PA skins fan]

So he started the first half looking great and faded in the 2nd half? Where have I heard this before? Ha ha.

I thought the exact same thing when I read this, too funny.

[shally]

Not happy this was said (especially by Samuels), but it's true and I'm sure JC is well aware of it.

samuels is in many ways an interesting cat.. if you watch him, he is somewhat aloof.. if someone knocks his qb down, often i have seen chris just amble away without trying to help the qb up. in many ways he is not your typical O lineman in terms of attitude. not being critical of chris, who plays with effort and professionalism all the time.. just saying, it doesnt surprise me..

[shally]

So he started the first half looking great and faded in the 2nd half? Where have I heard this before? Ha ha.

I thought the exact same thing when I read this, too funny.

few 4th quarter comebacks, as well...

[Patrick]

Not happy this was said (especially by Samuels), but it's true and I'm sure JC is well aware of it.
Exactly - I'm sure even JC knows that if he's stinking up the place by game #6 he doe not deserve to be the #1 guy or the "Franchise QB".
Oh .....Thanks JasonCampbell for the write up..... Was the park crowded?

[MONK_in_HOF]

i had seen a reference to that on another site..

that is an awful thing to say..BUT it has the ring of truth to it.. people have to assume after the tumultuous off season that JC is on a very short leash

plus, the way the schedule shapes up, it looks as though the early part SHOULD be easier.. if we are struggling against th elikes of the lions and rams, it bodes very poorly. not just for Campbell, but for Zorn.. it would tend to reenforce the concept that the league has figured his offense out and that the final 8 games of last year were a true reading on him

this team MUST get off to a quick start if it is to contend against the rest of the nfc east

I agree with most of what you write, but I think the offensive struggles in the 2nd half of the season can be more attributed to Samuels being hurt than Zorn's O being figured out. We almost lost to Detroit w/out him for cripes sake. Whenever Samuels has gone down so has the offense, regardless of who was the coach at the time. Sadly he is one year older, more banged up and still there is no decent backup if he goes down.

What Samuels said about JC was stupid though, no matter how true it is.

[shally]

I agree with most of what you write, but I think the offensive struggles in the 2nd half of the season can be more attributed to Samuels being hurt than Zorn's O being figured out. We almost lost to Detroit w/out him for cripes sake. Whenever Samuels has gone down so has the offense, regardless of who was the coach at the time. Sadly he is one year older, more banged up and still there is no decent backup if he goes down.

What Samuels said about JC was stupid though, no matter how true it is.


you have a point, but losing Samuels didnt affect the playcalling, which was truly wretched and uninspired.. teams knew what we were going to do before we did it..

i think Zorn deserves to be on just as short a leash as Campbell

[MONK_in_HOF]

you have a point, but losing Samuels didnt affect the playcalling, which was truly wretched and uninspired.. teams knew what we were going to do before we did it..

i think Zorn deserves to be on just as short a leash as Campbell

Maybe, but I am sure the injuries to the line and Zorn's lack of faith in them had an impact on his playcalling. Not that I disagree about Zorn being on a short leash.

[shally]

Maybe, but I am sure the injuries to the line and Zorn's lack of faith in them had an impact on his playcalling. Not that I disagree about Zorn being on a short leash.

if that spills over into this season, Zorn and Smith are toast.. and deservedly so..

[SkinsfaninNJ]

FWIW, Chris Samuels allegedly told Kevin Sheenan that Jason has 6 or 7 games to prove himself.

And after that....

And then he'll be replaced with who exactly?

[dj_stouty]

Not happy this was said (especially by Samuels), but it's true and I'm sure JC is well aware of it.

Did you get a chance to watch Marques Hagans at all? Was he running routes or returning kicks? Or both? I'm curious to see how my Wahoo is doing. I know he is a super long shot, but I'm rooting for him.

Also, I'm pretty sure anyone in the crowd who was on the Vick bandwagon was from "Hokie Nation". lol.

[hail2skins]

One thing I noticed about Campbell and Collins and the video at Redskins.com is how fast there were getting back from center. Faster than I've ever seen them do it.

[CarMike]

This Time, Daniels Gets Past that First Play

For defensive end Phillip Daniels, the season ended last year when he tore his anterior cruciate ligament on the first play of the first day of training camp, and one year later the veteran end was back on the practice field on the opening day of camp joking that he took no risks of a repeat occurrence.

"Getting out there you just know the first play you got hurt last year and I was joking with coach that maybe I should miss this first play and go the second play," Daniels said. "And actually I ended up getting like the eighth play, so it worked out perfect for me."

LINK (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

[dj_stouty]

This Time, Daniels Gets Past that First Play



LINK (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

No worries...there is always tomorrow's first play.

[VegasSkinsFan]

The only 3 things i want to hear are :

A. Defense - stifling
B. Offense - explosive
C. Team - injury free

GO SKINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LATrueRedskin]

FWIW, Chris Samuels allegedly told Kevin Sheenan that Jason has 6 or 7 games to prove himself.

And after that....

Why, why, why would he say something like this? What an incrediblely stupid thing to say, especially from the leader of the team. I'm very disappointed in Samuels.

[The Skinsinator]

Why, why, why would he say something like this? What an incrediblely stupid thing to say, especially from the leader of the team. I'm very disappointed in Samuels.Samuels has always had a real business like attitude and kind of laissez faire. If what he says is true and JC does falter who is he replaced with? Just sounds like they're never going to give Brennan a real chance which he really wants. Collins I'm thinking????

[firehawk157]

The only 3 things i want to hear are :

A. Defense - stifling
B. Offense - explosive
C. Team - injury free

GO SKINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't those sort of run counter to each other?

[firehawk157]

Samuels has always had a real business like attitude and kind of laissez faire. If what he says is true and JC does falter who is he replaced with? Just sounds like they're never going to give Brennan a real chance which he really wants. Collins I'm thinking????
I'm not sure he's referring to the fact that the team will give up on him but rather management and the fans.

[HanburgerBum]

My thoughts:

If anyone went last year, practice was pretty much what we saw last year in terms of setup, drills, etc.

Campbell was strong to start the practice, but didn't do as well towards the end. All other QBs were meh. Daniel (perhaps due to not looking like a football player at all) didn't impress me and was playing cornerback when the offense was running through plays...never saw a QB do that before, lol.

Aldridge is very fast and Dorsey is extremely quick. Either one would be an upgrade over Rock at kick returner. Hopefully one can play special teams.

Maybe it was because he was wearing bright yellow arm bands and stood out, but Devin Thomas looked good...much better than what I saw from him in TC last year. He burned some scrub CB for a deep pass and school Tryon after Tryon made some nice play earlier. Kelly didn't look as good to me as he did last year in TC, when he was obviously better than Thomas. Roydell Williams looks really, really slow. Maybe it is because he's learning new routes, but wow. Keith Eloi had some nice plays...in fact, I noticed him a lot during practice today.

Mike Williams no longer looks like a massive human being. Heyer's body looks more fit.

D. Hall got burnt a few times on one-on-one drills, but picked off a pass by JC (I think) in 11-on-11. Barnes made some nice plays...I don't even remember seeing (or hearing) much from Smoot. Dude is really skinny though. Reed Doughty picked off Daniel (that was for akh :))

I will say that the offense IMO looks better now than it did last year. The defense was clearly ahead of the offense last year...I'm not seeing that much (from today at least).

The guy with the Vick sign was with a couple other people (two wearing VT Vick jerseys, the other Campbell, lol). He said he was getting a lot of grief for it.

I think there were as many cameras on me as on the field. There were a bunch of people working for the Redskins photographing and video taping the fans. Had to resistant doing anything inappropriate. Crowd size was the same as a weekday last year.


I have some of the same observations you did. I thought the WRs that had the best practices were Thomas, Eloi and Hagens. The latter two are facing huge odds for making the team, so their progress is not really that exciting. In the case of Thomas, it is very exciting to see him flying all over the field. He showed that he may actually be a serious deep threat along with Moss.

My impression was the WRs generally had very good hands--a ton of passes before Fred Davis drop a first one. Marko Mitchell caught everything thrown to him, but nothing spectacular.

On defense, I thought Barnes and Tryon among the newer players played okay. Westbrook has no shot. His idea of defending a pass is basically push the receiver out of the way. He was so flagrant no ref can miss that penalty. Even Reed Doughty made an interception and defended another pass. Hall looked like "TD"--either giving up a long one or intercepting one and running it back.

For the RBs, Dorsey and Aldridge are quick. But, they look really, really small. They seem like high school RBs. Mason ran well, but the defense hasn't started blitzing yet. I don't think he can play in the NFL if he doesn't improve his ability to pick up a blitz.

After practice, I got within 5 feet of Mike Williams. I was amazed how svelte he looked. He definitely looked less than 350. Heck, Mike Sellers almost looked larger than he.

Apparently the opening day crowd was down, because I had very little trouble getting out of the parking afterwards. Last year, it took 45 minutes to leave the parking lot.

[CarMike]

Don't those sort of run counter to each other?

My thought as well.

And dj...that's just cold brother! lol

[SkinsGuru]

The only 3 things i want to hear are :

A. Defense - stifling
B. Offense - explosive
C. Team - injury free

GO SKINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they are playing against themselves . . . if the defense is stifiling, then the offense is not explosive . . . if the offense is explosive, then the defense is not stifiling

LOL

[shally]

I have some of the same observations you did. I thought the WRs that had the best practices were Thomas, Eloi and Hagens. The latter two are facing huge odds for making the team, so their progress is not really that exciting. In the case of Thomas, it is very exciting to see him flying all over the field. He showed that he may actually be a serious deep threat along with Moss.

My impression was the WRs generally had very good hands--a ton of passes before Fred Davis drop a first one. Marko Mitchell caught everything thrown to him, but nothing spectacular.

On defense, I thought Barnes and Tryon among the newer players played okay. Westbrook has no shot. His idea of defending a pass is basically push the receiver out of the way. He was so flagrant no ref can miss that penalty. Even Reed Doughty made an interception and defended another pass. Hall looked like "TD"--either giving up a long one or intercepting one and running it back.

For the RBs, Dorsey and Aldridge are quick. But, they look really, really small. They seem like high school RBs. Mason ran well, but the defense hasn't started blitzing yet. I don't think he can play in the NFL if he doesn't improve his ability to pick up a blitz.

After practice, I got within 5 feet of Mike Williams. I was amazed how svelte he looked. He definitely looked less than 350. Heck, Mike Sellers almost looked larger than he.

Apparently the opening day crowd was down, because I had very little trouble getting out of the parking afterwards. Last year, it took 45 minutes to leave the parking lot.


what may help one of the marginal receivers make the team would be if roydell williams has slowed to the point of being a non factor.. that might open the door to the 5th receiver going to someone like eloi or hagen, or, more likely mitchell making the team..
my guess is that like some of the "special" receivers who have impressed early in camp, Eloi and Hagens are destined for a year on PS.. then again, they might merit LOA status immediatley..lol

are either dorsey or alridge any smaller than sproles ??

[firehawk157]

How did Haynesworth look and how did RT look?

[firehawk157]

what may help one of the marginal receivers make the team would be if roydell williams has slowed to the point of being a non factor.. that might open the door to the 5th receiver going to someone like eloi or hagen, or, more likely mitchell making the team..
my guess is that like some of the "special" receivers who have impressed early in camp, Eloi and Hagens are destined for a year on PS.. then again, they might merit LOA status immediatley..lol

are either dorsey or alridge any smaller than sproles ??
Let's see a couple of preseason games before we start considering people non-factors...

On another note, I am absolutely AMPED to see more FOOTBALL!

[shally]

How did Haynesworth look and how did RT look?

every site i have read said that haynesworth looked impressive.

mike williams was said to be really pleased with his own performance..

[JasonCampbell]

Did you get a chance to watch Marques Hagans at all? Was he running routes or returning kicks? Or both? I'm curious to see how my Wahoo is doing. I know he is a super long shot, but I'm rooting for him.

I'm pretty sure he was doing both. He didn't look bad.

..... Was the park crowded?

Similar to last year. I arrived and left around the same time as last year and had no problems getting into or out of the parking lot.

On defense, I thought Barnes and Tryon among the newer players played okay. Westbrook has no shot. His idea of defending a pass is basically push the receiver out of the way. He was so flagrant no ref can miss that penalty. Even Reed Doughty made an interception and defended another pass. Hall looked like "TD"--either giving up a long one or intercepting one and running it back.

For the RBs, Dorsey and Aldridge are quick. But, they look really, really small. They seem like high school RBs. Mason ran well, but the defense hasn't started blitzing yet. I don't think he can play in the NFL if he doesn't improve his ability to pick up a blitz.

Yeah, I echo Westbrook looking bad. I'm not liking Hall's 'boom or bust' play style (which was extremely evident in the drills I saw). I'd much rather have Rogers 'knock it down but have no chance of catching it' :)

[BurgundyNGold]

Why, why, why would he say something like this? What an incrediblely stupid thing to say, especially from the leader of the team. I'm very disappointed in Samuels.
Because Samuels is a 10 year vet who realizes that he doesn not have that many years left to piss away on Campbell maybe "getting it" someday. He's speaking wiuth a sense of urgency and drawing a line in the sand. That's precisely what a team leader is supposed to do.

BTW, I also read this statement to speak indirectly as to where in the leadership pecking order JC sits.

As another aside, statements like these also make me wonder how much of the surreal chasing after the likes of Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez and completely ignoring what Campbell thought or felt wasn't instigated by locker room sentiments to which we are not privy. Maybe this was the result of a quiet no confidence vote by the players during the season or offseason? I can't recall a whole lot of positve comments about his play from the offensive players since the season ended. It's not like players are volunteering soundbite love for JC.

Food for thought.

[dj_stouty]

After every day at camp, we should revise our power rankings for the canidates of the LOA.

[fent]

every site i have read said that haynesworth looked impressive.

mike williams was said to be really pleased with his own performance..

the blurb on insider said Albert wasn't happy with his performance today.

[JasonCampbell]

the blurb on insider said Albert wasn't happy with his performance today.

I really wasn't paying too much attention to him (or the line play overall), but he didn't stand out.

[BurgundyNGold]

After every day at camp, we should revise our power rankings for the canidates of the LOA.
I'm thinking that we're going to need to vote on this year's crop of candidates at some point. Colt is in there. So is the Eloi kid lol.

[shally]

the blurb on insider said Albert wasn't happy with his performance today.

good.. hope he stays hungry, and dissatisfied all season long..

[VegasSkinsFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABG5Ty6fXmA

enjoy GO SKINS !!!!!!

[BurgundyNGold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABG5Ty6fXmA

enjoy GO SKINS !!!!!!
Awesome!

A few notes:

1) JC... not so good. That out took a long time to get there and the throw to Moss on the move was behind him. His reads were much quciker though. It took him far less time to take the outlet than it used to lol.

2) Mike Williams looks like half of what he used to look like. He still needs help on his fotwork though.

3) Did I just see a swing pass to a RB in space?! Mercy, me! It's about time. :)

[JasonCampbell]

That video is breaking the rules of training camp. NO VIDEO CAMERAS!!!!!!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I really wasn't paying too much attention to him (or the line play overall), but he didn't stand out.

Nor does Vinny.

[VegasSkinsFan]

That video is breaking the rules of training camp. NO VIDEO CAMERAS!!!!!!

Dont shoot the messenger...video probably wont last long on youtube.

[hail2skins]

So, is it possible that Thrash will be a coach this year? It's being reported he was at the afternoon practice dawning casual Redskins gear.

[BurgundyNGold]

So, is it possible that Thrash will be a coach this year? It's being reported he was at the afternoon practice dawning casual Redskins gear.
Last minute signing?

;)

[VegasSkinsFan]

they are playing against themselves . . . if the defense is stifiling, then the offense is not explosive . . . if the offense is explosive, then the defense is not stifiling

LOL

Then let them take turns :) yeah probably didnt come out like i meant it to sound. :smash:

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Awesome!

A few notes:

1) JC... not so good. That out took a long time to get there and the throw to Moss on the move was behind him. His reads were much quciker though. It took him far less time to take the outlet than it used to lol.

2) Mike Williams looks like half of what he used to look like. He still needs help on his fotwork though.

3) Did I just see a swing pass to a RB in space?! Mercy, me! It's about time. :)

I noticed Todd Collins had the first check down of the video. Out of character for him. LOL

[JasonCampbell]

So, is it possible that Thrash will be a coach this year? It's being reported he was at the afternoon practice dawning casual Redskins gear.

Perhaps we can combine his talents with Roydell Williams and create a serviceable #5 WR.

[shally]

Perhaps we can combine his talents with Roydell Williams and create a serviceable #5 WR.

neither one of them is likely fast enough to do anything but coach..lol

[CarMike]

Orakpo, Redskins Negotiations Continue

The Redskins and agents for unsigned first-round draft pick Brian Orakpo continued to negotiate today, league sources said, but there still was no timetable for an agreement.

With so few first-round picks signed, the Redskins could be without Orakpo for a while as NFL agents wait to see how the market develops as teams get deeper into training camp.
There could be a domino effect if a few clubs move to complete deals quickly in the next few days.

Coach Jim Zorn reiterated today that he hoped Orakpo would be in camp soon, but the Skins are not yet worried about his absence because they felt the former University of Texas All-American defensive end displayed an ability to grasp things quickly during minicamp.

With Orakpo missing from camp, linebacker Alfred Fincher and defensive end/linebacker Chris Wilson played significantly at strong-side linebacker. The plan is for Orakpo to fill that role with the first-team.

LINK (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

[shally]

the few throws that Brennan made, i didnt see sidearm motion.. think his mechanics are improved ??? need to see a lot more

[firehawk157]

the blurb on insider said Albert wasn't happy with his performance today.
They aren't mutually exclusive. either way, Haynesworth is a beast and will dominate if he has the desire. As Shally said, great, let him stay hungry and the Skins will feast on QBs all season long.

[shally]

Orakpo, Redskins Negotiations Continue



LINK (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

huge opportunity for Wilson here.. he needs to show he can make the team as a SLB, and they will get a solid read on his progress

fincher will likely make the team one way or the other because of his versatility and his ST's play.. not so wilson.. too many players at DE already, and he is either a SLB, or doesnt make it..

[JasonCampbell]

Orakpo, Redskins Negotiations Continue



LINK (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

Currently making a "VINNY, GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND GET ORAKPO SIGNED" sign in case he's on the golf cart again tomorrow...perhaps someone can call into his radio show tomorrow with similar comments :)

[firehawk157]

Let's not make too many conclusions off a two minute video of training camp.

[shally]

Currently making a "VINNY, GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND GET ORAKPO SIGNED" sign in case he's on the golf cart again tomorrow...perhaps someone can call into his radio show tomorrow with similar comments :)

many not be on Vinny.. none of the agents want to be first, unless they break the bank

[shally]

Let's not make too many conclusions off a two minute video of training camp.

i can tell with absolute certainty we will finish at 10-6 on the basis of that video alone..lol

[JasonCampbell]

many not be on Vinny.. none of the agents want to be first, unless they break the bank

Right...put I still want to take a shot at Vinny :)

[shally]

Right...put I still want to take a shot at Vinny :)

knock yourself out.. even if he doesnt deserve it for this time, we owe him from years and years of poor performance...

[firehawk157]

I just saw that Haynesworth was penetrating so quickly into the backfield that he was there when the RB got the ball!

[BurgundyNGold]

many not be on Vinny.. none of the agents want to be first, unless they break the bank
Not sure why he couldn't sign the deal for the 13th slot last year +5% with stipulations that certain clauses be revisited in 30 days for revisions that would bring them "in line" with the 12th and 14th picks. That would seem to be something fairly original that Vinny could do.

That or sit on a golf cart while his DE/SLB/WLB/SS/OT/P Orakpo misses vital practices.

[Fathead]

I just saw that Haynesworth was penetrating so quickly into the backfield that he was there when the RB got the ball!



I so badly want to make a "That's what she said" joke here.



Hope springs eternal every year at this time. I hope it doesn't die in me like most other years.

[dj_stouty]

I guess Kenard Lang continues to be the last d-lineman drafted by the Skins in the first round. Orakpo doesn't count if he was drafted to fill the SAM position.

[fent]

I just saw that Haynesworth was penetrating so quickly into the backfield that he was there when the RB got the ball!

let me know when he does it against a real line ;)

[shally]

Not sure why he couldn't sign the deal for the 13th slot last year +5% with stipulations that certain clauses be revisited in 30 days for revisions that would bring them "in line" with the 12th and 14th picks. That would seem to be something fairly original that Vinny could do.

That or sit on a golf cart while his DE/SLB/WLB/SS/OT/P Orakpo misses vital practices.

true.. but it may be that orakpo's agent is the one slowing things down ??

[CarMike]

let me know when he does it against a real line ;)
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h191/CarMike24/ape-1.jpg

[shally]

official team site said that dorsey sustained injury in the second practice.. unspecified, but not thought to be serious...

[VegasSkinsFan]

official team site said that dorsey sustained injury in the second practice.. unspecified, but not thought to be serious...

Cramps according to the blog....first day and no serious injuries...lets keep it going.

[Goskins11]

I've got a Patrick Ramsey jersey lol...

lol so do i. Wow, I screwed up. ha

[shally]

Cramps according to the blog....first day and no serious injuries...lets keep it going.

outstanding.. we need to come out of camp and preseason healthy

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

So, is it possible that Thrash will be a coach this year? It's being reported he was at the afternoon practice dawning casual Redskins gear.
Per twitter...Thrash has re-joined the team in a Player Development role.

[skin4ever]

outstanding.. we need to come out of camp and preseason healthy

Yeah that was a relief to me too. Reports on the tv(and in this thread) said he did pretty well and moved fast. We definitely need to upgrade KR, especially with the new rule, we need a guy who can juke people out of their cleats. Vick still available? jk.

[hail2skins]

From Blache

Blache On Barnes

Kevin Barnes is at training camp, but he could not escape Greg Blache’s ire, either.

"He’s a rookie and he plays like a rookie," Blache said. "I mean, quite honestly, he makes a play and then he does something where you say, ’Son, that’s not the way it’s done.’

"I had to tell him a couple things this morning. He is a classic, typical rookie. And that’s not a compliment."

[Fathead]

Then why the hell are you whining about it, Blache? If its a typical rookie then you already know.

[KMDeMuth]

official team site said that dorsey sustained injury in the second practice.. unspecified, but not thought to be serious...

I just watched the "not allowed" you-tube video... Actually went to look up #32 to see who the Darren Sproles clone was. That little dude is quick!

Think the CFL kid has a chance at knocking rock off the team? (If he can control the cramps...)

Also, D. Hall is quoted as saying he is interested in returning some kicks for us, does that hurt rocks status on the team?

[akhhorus]

Then why the hell are you whining about it, Blache? If its a typical rookie then you already know.

I think a rookie stole Greg Blache's car once and he thinks that all rookies could steal his car at some point.

As for the reports, just a warning:
https://www.beckett.com/images/pgitems/14316540201.jpg

That is all.

[JasonCampbell]

This is nice to hear, also from Blache:

Blache, for the records, had a slightly more positive review of Wilson's performance.

"You know," he said, "I complimented [linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti] this morning on the phenomenal job he's done with Wilson, because he's playing better at [strong side linebacker], in my opinion, than he ever played at defensive end. KO's done a much better job coaching him than I've ever did. That's why I tell him, he gets Coach of the Month award, 'cause he's got Wilson playing so well. I mean, Wilson's playing the best football he's played since he's been here with us."

[BigCountry]

Hmmm... (http://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/2936457728)

This guy is an NFL scout, all be it for the Browns, but he's still an NFL scout. All the Devin Thomas news to me has been the best new to come out of the first day of camp.

[esmith1790]

Hmmm... (http://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/2936457728)

This guy is an NFL scout, all be it for the Browns, but he's still an NFL scout. All the Devin Thomas news to me has been the best new to come out of the first day of camp.

Didnt Roddy white struggle with Vick throwing him the ball?

[BigCountry]

Didnt Roddy white struggle with Vick throwing him the ball?

What does that have to do with anything?

[shally]

Didnt Roddy white struggle with Vick throwing him the ball?

roddy white struggled until he learned his position.. it had little to do with who was throwing it to him

[ClubSandwichGuy]

This is nice to hear, also from Blache:

Hmmm... (http://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/2936457728)

This guy is an NFL scout, all be it for the Browns, but he's still an NFL scout. All the Devin Thomas news to me has been the best new to come out of the first day of camp.
Lovin' the positive news after it seemed like the entire offseason was mostly pessimism.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Orakpo signs..via twitter

http://twitter.com/redskinsblog

[nicefellow31]

I think a rookie stole Greg Blache's car once and he thinks that all rookies could steal his car at some point.

As for the reports, just a warning:
https://www.beckett.com/images/pgitems/14316540201.jpg

That is all.

I'm sure Blache would have a problem with young Jim Brown, Dick Butkus, and Lawrence Taylor. Yet at the same time, the great Phillip Daniels plays like a "veteran". I'm sorry, Blache just rubs me the wrong way.

[HanburgerBum]

what may help one of the marginal receivers make the team would be if roydell williams has slowed to the point of being a non factor.. that might open the door to the 5th receiver going to someone like eloi or hagen, or, more likely mitchell making the team..
my guess is that like some of the "special" receivers who have impressed early in camp, Eloi and Hagens are destined for a year on PS.. then again, they might merit LOA status immediatley..lol

are either dorsey or alridge any smaller than sproles ??


I think what determines the last WR spot will be factors not related to receiving skills (e.g. special team play, returning kicks, injury to players ahead of them, the number of receivers being kept).

I didn't really notice Roydell Williams being "slow", but he didn't stand out either. From what I saw of Eloi the first day, I like him a lot. He is quick, ran routes well and showed terrific hands. But, he is also small. Since Zorn apparently wants to add size to the receiving corp, I just don't see Eloi making the regular season roster. His best shot is to make the PS and perhaps replace Randle El in 2010.

As for Dorsey and Aldridge, they looked even smaller than Sproules. But, that's perhaps my imagination knowing how "big" Sproules plays.

[shally]

I think what determines the last WR spot will be factors not related to receiving skills (e.g. special team play, returning kicks, injury to players ahead of them, the number of receivers being kept).

I didn't really notice Roydell Williams being "slow", but he didn't stand out either. From what I saw of Eloi the first day, I like him a lot. He is quick, ran routes well and showed terrific hands. But, he is also small. Since Zorn apparently wants to add size to the receiving corp, I just don't see Eloi making the regular season roster. His best shot is to make the PS and perhaps replace Randle El in 2010.

As for Dorsey and Aldridge, they looked even smaller than Sproules. But, that's perhaps my imagination knowing how "big" Sproules plays.

thanks.. the 5th receiver traditionally is a special teams player.. that should give almost anyone an edge over williams.
williams sounds like the second coming of mcmullen. we all know how that one ended up.

eloi is small, but we will likely need a slot receiver to replace ARE next year, so i think he is a prime candidate for the PS.. mitchell is bigger, so if it comes down to it, maybe he gets the nod for a roster spot ? also he is a draft pick and that helps for sure..

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/07/31/postcard.redskins/1.html

Three observations

1. Remember Mike Williams, the fat, lazy first-round Buffalo tackle a few years ago? He's back. More about this in Monday Morning Quarterback, but Williams, projected to be a franchise tackle for years when Tom Donahoe took him high in the first round in 2002, has lost 108 pounds this year and was working with the second unit at right tackle Thursday. He looks light on his feet -- as light as a 338-pound fellow can -- and has a very good shot at making this team if he continues to play athletically and with the hustle I saw him display on about 10 snaps in the morning practice.

2. Look for Albert Haynesworth to have the chance to be more disruptive this year than he was in Tennessee. Talked to well-respected defensive coordinator Greg Blache after the second workout of the day, and he told me Haynesworth would likely move from the inside to end on some passing downs. If that's the case, I asked, would offenses have to face the 350-pound Haynesworth bull-rushing from one side and the lithe Brian Orakpo rushing from the opposite ... on maybe a third of the snaps per game. "Maybe,'' Blache said with a big smile. "Maybe. We'll see.'' It only makes sense to spread those guys out and let offenses figure out who to double.

3. It's only one day, one snapshot, but Jason Campbell looks more relaxed and at ease under Jim Zorn's tutelage to me. Here's why: This is the first time in Campbell's nine years of college and pro football that he's been the starter for a second straight year in the same offensive system with the same coach.

"There's no question it has to help him,'' Zorn told me. "He's a more comfortable player and it shows in everything he does.'' I'm writing about Campbell for the magazine next week, and he had some interesting things to say about an off-season that had the Redskins looking to deal for Jay Cutler, draft Mark Sanchez, and, I think, resurrect Sonny Jurgensen. But he's in a good place with his emotions now, and he'll have every chance to succeed or fail on his own this year after a roller-coaster of a season last year. I liked how he threw the ball in the morning practice -- crisp, with a tight spiral, and with accuracy.


New face, new place

Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. When Haynesworth was talking to the Redskins, he wanted to be sure of one thing: He wouldn't have to change his style of play. The Titans allowed him to penetrate and attack the backfield over the last seven years. Under Blache, the Washington tackles have been more read, hold the fort, and then react and attack.

"If I was going to come here, I wanted to make sure they'd let me be me,'' Haynesworth told me. "I wasn't coming here to change my style and be one of those 'read' guys. But they said they wanted me to play my game, and so that made my decision easier.

Traditionally, Blache's tackles mostly stay at home and set up plays for the rest of the defense, but he said he'd never had a tackle like Haynesworth. "We've always had things in our playbook for tackles like Albert to play, but we didn't have that guy. So we weren't going to force it.'' Now we'll see if Haynesworth can play a full season and anchor a defense very much in need of a big playmaker. He's only done that once in seven previous NFL years.




Rookie report

Kevin Barnes, cornerback, third round, Maryland. Other than Orakpo, who I didn't see (he signed late Thursday), the rookie with the best chance to play a role is the tall cornerback from just up the road in College Park. Barnes, lithe at 6-1, made two nice deflections in morning drills against veteran receivers. He'll likely start the season playing multiple special teams and as the fourth cornerback. He could move up depending on what once-a-Redskin-always-a-Redskin Fred Smoot has left in year nine at age 30.

Memorable image
Wide receiver Malcolm Kelly's shoes. I've never seen fluorescent yellow shoes on anyone before -- not on an athlete or a 16-year-old girl going to her junior prom -- but he wore them well today at practice. Look for Kelly, a disappointing second-round pick a year ago, to press hard for the starting job alongside Santana Moss, but the early returns make it appear Devin Thomas is ahead in competition for the second spot. He was flying in individual pass drills against corners in the morning, catching two balls deep, one on a perfect throw from Jason Campbell.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/07/31/postcard.redskins/1.html
Haynesworth at defensive end? Wow. I'm becoming more and more convinced that Blache is really going to go after the QB this year.

[Red Bear]

i wouldnt get too excited about Eloi. reports are he had to get assistance to get out of the ice tub from trainers because he couldnt put any weight on one of his legs.

[jaylen]

I hear the good reports about different things but I still have this sinking feeling in my gut that Blache is gonna revert back to his bend but don't break ways that ultimately break.

Devin Thomas just looks quicker to me on the footage I've seen. He didn't seem at all last season up to the speed of the game.

sorta surprised he's ahead of a healthy Kelly who we've all been told was the one who would jump out with how polished he was.

DHall is gonna drive us nuts this season I can just feel it. Gonna get us some pics and give up some td's being boneheaded. I hope Landry is watching his back very closely in deep coverage. Cause hall likes to watch the qb's eyes alot.

Like the things I'm hearing about Barnes he's skinny but he apparently can cover can;t wait till the games start to really get a look.

and I like that we got 2 scatbacks to throw in the mix. I'd love one to become a part of a 3rd down package instead of betts who I'm not feeling at all.

the scatback looked quick on the vid.

I expect Haynesworth to raise alot of hell this season. he just seems like a beast inside.

[shally]

i wouldnt get too excited about Eloi. reports are he had to get assistance to get out of the ice tub from trainers because he couldnt put any weight on one of his legs.

george allen would be proud of him.. onto the PS..lol

[VegasSkinsFan]

i wouldnt get too excited about Eloi. reports are he had to get assistance to get out of the ice tub from trainers because he couldnt put any weight on one of his legs.

So he can jump out of a pool backwards, but needs help to get out of an ice tub hmmmm :smash:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Haynesworth at defensive end? Wow. I'm becoming more and more convinced that Blache is really going to go after the QB this year.
Haynesworth played some DE for the Titans as well.

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Haynesworth played some DE for the Titans as well.
I never even knew that. For a second I though Blache had an original idea...

[WRSK1NS]

Checked on Camp this morning and for the first time the fever for football really kicked in for me. It was good to see the team in action...

I was fortunate enough to be right where the offense was practicing...

In drills all the QBs looked pretty good. I am pretty sure I saw Thrash catching simulating patterns and catching passes from the QBs. He was in Shorts and a shirt- not a uniform.

D. Thomas seemed to get thrown to a lot this morning and he caught everything.

M. Kelly burnt D. Hall on a long pass for 6 points.

Haynesworth is going to prove to be a huge pickup. On one play he lifted the O-lineman about 2' up in the air and drove him back about 8 yards. If they were really hitting hard he would have easily pushed the lineman into the QB. He is going to be a major disruptor on D.

I heard Orakpo was there but I personally didn't see him.

[WRSK1NS]

PS: One of the most amazing things I saw (besides the Haynesworth play) was a Carlos Rogers INT! I don't remember who the reciever was but Carlos had tight coverage and just went in an took the ball from the reciever. You never know if you will ever see that happen again! :)

[Gravy]

PS: One of the most amazing things I saw (besides the Haynesworth play) was a Carlos Rogers INT! I don't remember who the reciever was but Carlos had tight coverage and just went in an took the ball from the reciever. You never know if you will ever see that happen again! :)

:lol1:

[CarMike]

Checked on Camp this morning and for the first time the fever for football really kicked in for me. It was good to see the team in action...

I was fortunate enough to be right where the offense was practicing...

In drills all the QBs looked pretty good. I am pretty sure I saw Thrash catching simulating patterns and catching passes from the QBs. He was in Shorts and a shirt- not a uniform.

D. Thomas seemed to get thrown to a lot this morning and he caught everything.

M. Kelly burnt D. Hall on a long pass for 6 points.

Haynesworth is going to prove to be a huge pickup. On one play he lifted the O-lineman about 2' up in the air and drove him back about 8 yards. If they were really hitting hard he would have easily pushed the lineman into the QB. He is going to be a major disruptor on D.

I heard Orakpo was there but I personally didn't see him.

PS: One of the most amazing things I saw (besides the Haynesworth play) was a Carlos Rogers INT! I don't remember who the reciever was but Carlos had tight coverage and just went in an took the ball from the reciever. You never know if you will ever see that happen again! :)

Thanks for the report WRSK1NS. :awesomewo

[firehawk157]

Most of this is pretty positive! Getting me amped!

[akhhorus]

Haynesworth played some DE for the Titans as well.

Yeah, he would play all four line positions.

From Reid:
Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/taking-in-the-scenery-at-redsk.html?)

After watching Albert Haynesworth work against guard Derrick Dockery the past two days, I think Haynesworth can play a little.

DeAngelo Hall seems to try to make a play on every ball.

Chris Samuels has slimmed down and is moving well again after surgery.

Mike Williams had another tough time in pass protection.

The Redskins really want Devin Thomas to seize an opportunity and earn that starting flanker spot opposite split end Santana Moss.

Fred Davis seems to be running routes a lot better than he did in practice last season.

Maybe it's just me, but is there anyone on this roster with more pure talent than LaRon Landry?

Brian Orakpo's schedule is about to get a lot busier as he works at strong-side linebacker and end.

The crowds at the complex seem smaller to me than last season, but I don't remember things as well as I once did.

Jason Campbell has room for improvement in some areas, but No. 17 sure throws a nice deep ball.

Casey Rabach is a consummate professional.

Ladell Betts could be a bigger part of the offense than he was last season.

After retiring because of a neck injury, good guy James Thrash accepted a job with the organization and is at camp.

Phillip Daniels still could be a force against the run.

My bold.

[JasonCampbell]

I've heard Zorn mention a few times now in interviews that he thinks Davis and Thomas are at the point where they know what they are doing out there. I'm actually feeling optimistic about those two now since if they can clear the mental aspect of the game, they have the talent to produce on the field.

[akhhorus]

I've heard Zorn mention a few times now in interviews that he thinks Davis and Thomas are at the point where they know what they are doing out there. I'm actually feeling optimistic about those two now since if they can clear the mental aspect of the game, they have the talent to produce on the field.

Exactly. They both have physical gifts, the question is whether they can put it together mentally. If they're looking like they're putting it together more and looking more polished, thats a good sign.

[Gravy]

Exactly. They both have physical gifts, the question is whether they can put it together mentally. If they're looking like they're putting it together more and looking more polished, thats a good sign.

...IF "they" can produce, and produce well...this "O" could be interesting...it also means that Vinny drafted them and ...I'll stop

[Wild Bore]

Quote:

Maybe it's just me, but is there anyone on this roster with more pure talent than LaRon Landry?

I apologize if this has been discussed before, but has there been any discussion about moving Landry back to SS, a position he used to play. It seems a shame to put your best athlete 40 or so yards off the line of scrimmage picking his nose, and then wondering why he isn't make as much of an impact. You can put Moore or any fast, sure tackler back at free safety if you are going to play them 40 yards off the ball.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Quote:

Maybe it's just me, but is there anyone on this roster with more pure talent than LaRon Landry?

I apologize if this has been discussed before, but has there been any discussion about moving Landry back to SS, a position he used to play. It seems a shame to put your best athlete 40 or so yards off the line of scrimmage picking his nose, and then wondering why he isn't make as much of an impact. You can put Moore or any fast, sure tackler back at free safety if you are going to play them 40 yards off the ball.

Just being fast won't allow Moore to do the things Landry does.

[shally]

I've heard Zorn mention a few times now in interviews that he thinks Davis and Thomas are at the point where they know what they are doing out there. I'm actually feeling optimistic about those two now since if they can clear the mental aspect of the game, they have the talent to produce on the field.

there had been a few comments earlier in the OTA's that no one was able to cover Davis because of his size speed package.. that would be music to my ears if it turns out so...

[native skin]

there had been a few comments earlier in the OTA's that no one was able to cover Davis because of his size speed package.. that would be music to my ears if it turns out so...

Davis is going to be a beast.

[Wild Bore]

Just being fast won't allow Moore to do the things Landry does.I agree. But why put your best athlete out of all but 1-2 plays per game? Makes no sense.

[jaylen]

Would someone please explain to me how fred davis is gonna fit into what we're doing. I don't know how he has a role except for those rare 2 te sets. Why is he someone the coaches are counting on so heavily with us having a good te already ahead of him.

At best whats a good season for him with Cooley on board.

as for Thomas I'm getting pretty excited about his prospects we need him really to become our go to guy moreso than Moss Moss needs to be our 2nd wr because he's unreliable as a primary option especially in traffic and across the middle. Moss needs to be our deep threat big play guy but not the main move the chains guy.

Zorn has complimented Thomas so I'm hopeful. Kelly if healthy I expect to come on when the games start.

[skinsfan36]

went to camp this morning and heres my observation:
campbell was hot and cold today. was doing well throwing the deep ball.
colt looked like the best qb today(not saying hes ready yet or should start so calm down lol)
collins looked pretty meh and was off on alot of passes today.
chase daniel is very short but there was a CFL scout there to see him lol no lie.
aldridge is very quick.dorsey sat out most the practice.sellers dropped alot of passes today.
davis looks alot more comfortable and made a nice cut on a few short passes after the catch.
kelly burned hall deep it was the play of the day.
thomas made a few nice leaping catches,as did kelly(who catches almost everything hands only).didnt see either of them drop anything.
rogers had a sweet int where he jumped in front of kelly(jc threw the pass)
eloi ran the wrong route twice.
barnes was yelled at on a special teams drill by gray "thats bad barnes"
smoot should never be a gunner as he was manhandled by nearly everyone.
randle el caught a deep ball from jc.
cooley tipped a pass up in the air when he was covered well three times the fincher picked it and probably would of scored.
tryon looked ok. barnes was burnt bad by moss on one play.

now on to the trenches. jarmon was very dispruptive and could of had 2 sacks if it was a real game one where he touched campbell then the ball was thrown. the other where he was playing contain as brennan rolled out.

the dline was dominant. especially haynesworth who was getting a crazy push like every play. williams seemed to struggle some. heyer seems to have built more muscle and did ok. jackson had some nice pressure on one play. renaldo wynn was pushed back by whoever was playng backup LT.

oh yeah and one of the back up TES bobbled a ball and dropped it 3 times on one play then almost ran into a golf cart. he was heckled bad by the fans lol.

well thats about it. im going back on tuesday and may post a recap then to

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=292962


FREE AGENCY: Momentum builds for Vick to Skins

Michael Vick | Falcons | Interested: Redskins? Patriots? Ravens? Raiders? Saints?

Jason Campbell can't catch a break. At nearly every step this offseason, the Redskins have been linked to another QB, and with comments made recently by Jim Zorn and some other 'Skins coaches, he may have Michael Vick breathing down his neck at some point this season.

An anonymous Redskins coach told Fox 31 in Denver that, "There is definitely a number of us who would love to have him play here. I can tell you I would not mind at all."

While a little bit dismissive, head coach Jim Zorn left the door open in saying before Washington's first training camp practice that they would not be signing Vick "at this juncture." The insinuation here is that the team will have Vick's cell number handy if Campbell struggles to start the 2009 campaign.

Meanwhile, Vick's contention that he was close to signing with a team has been refuted by what a source has told ESPN's John Clayton. Clayton notes that it's likely we won't see a Vick signing until training camps are "well under way".

[ClubSandwichGuy]

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=292962
I think if we were to go after Vick it would not be to replace Campbell but to play some sort of roll in special situations. A bad idea all the way around though.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I think if we were to go after Vick it would not be to replace Campbell but to play some sort of roll in special situations. A bad idea all the way around though.
Assuming its not to replace Campbell, why would the aquisition of Vick be a bad thing?

[shally]

I think if we were to go after Vick it would not be to replace Campbell but to play some sort of roll in special situations. A bad idea all the way around though.

...until game 6 when the fans would be howling for him to replace campbell..

[ClubSandwichGuy]

Assuming its not to replace Campbell, why would the aquisition of Vick be a bad thing?
I think it would hurt an already less-than-stable locker room. There would be all the controversy of "should Vick be the full time guy" etc etc.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I think it would hurt an already less-than-stable locker room. There would be all the controversy of "should Vick be the full time guy" etc etc.

Jason can nip any controversy in the bud with his performance.

And if he doesn't.....

[MONK_in_HOF]

...until game 6 when the fans would be howling for him to replace campbell..

And 6 games is a long time for this town to give a QB who isn't proven and/or is not playing up to expectations. Although this year I feel like many fans will be more lenient with Campbell b/c of what he dealt with in the offseason. But that can change real quick.

[firehawk157]

And 6 games is a long time for this town to give a QB who isn't proven and/or is not playing up to expectations. Although this year I feel like many fans will be more lenient with Campbell b/c of what he dealt with in the offseason. But that can change real quick.

Undoubtedly. But there's good reason, he's a consummate professional.

[shally]

And 6 games is a long time for this town to give a QB who isn't proven and/or is not playing up to expectations. Although this year I feel like many fans will be more lenient with Campbell b/c of what he dealt with in the offseason. But that can change real quick.

doubt it.. this is a bottom line business. if campbell struggles, he will have few supporters this year..

[LATrueRedskin]

went to camp this morning and heres my observation:
campbell was hot and cold today. was doing well throwing the deep ball.
colt looked like the best qb today(not saying hes ready yet or should start so calm down lol)
collins looked pretty meh and was off on alot of passes today.
chase daniel is very short but there was a CFL scout there to see him lol no lie.
aldridge is very quick.dorsey sat out most the practice.sellers dropped alot of passes today.
davis looks alot more comfortable and made a nice cut on a few short passes after the catch.
kelly burned hall deep it was the play of the day.
thomas made a few nice leaping catches,as did kelly(who catches almost everything hands only).didnt see either of them drop anything.
rogers had a sweet int where he jumped in front of kelly(jc threw the pass)
eloi ran the wrong route twice.
barnes was yelled at on a special teams drill by gray "thats bad barnes"
smoot should never be a gunner as he was manhandled by nearly everyone.
randle el caught a deep ball from jc.
cooley tipped a pass up in the air when he was covered well three times the fincher picked it and probably would of scored.
tryon looked ok. barnes was burnt bad by moss on one play.

now on to the trenches. jarmon was very dispruptive and could of had 2 sacks if it was a real game one where he touched campbell then the ball was thrown. the other where he was playing contain as brennan rolled out.

the dline was dominant. especially haynesworth who was getting a crazy push like every play. williams seemed to struggle some. heyer seems to have built more muscle and did ok. jackson had some nice pressure on one play. renaldo wynn was pushed back by whoever was playng backup LT.

oh yeah and one of the back up TES bobbled a ball and dropped it 3 times on one play then almost ran into a golf cart. he was heckled bad by the fans lol.

well thats about it. im going back on tuesday and may post a recap then to

Thanks for the write-up! Good to hear Kelly is making some plays out there.

[VegasSkinsFan]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/WAS

Here is a pretty decent link for camp updates. enjoy GO SKINS !!!!

[shally]

thanks for the link.. interesting if chase daniel continues to progress..

read somewhere that a scout from the CFL were looking at him.. he would seem to be ideal for that style of play..

[VegasSkinsFan]

thanks for the link.. interesting if chase daniel continues to progress..

read somewhere that a scout from the CFL were looking at him.. he would seem to be ideal for that style of play..

no prob...agree that daniel would be good in the cfl, hope he can be decent backup here as well. Also read that Heyer laid out carter on one play, and reinhart did the same to daniels on another. honestly, now my main focus is on the Oline...want to see them really com together...not too worried about the dline or the defense overall. Kelly/Thomas seem to be coming along which i nice to read. Might actually be a good season GO SKIN !!!!!!

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/WAS

Here is a pretty decent link for camp updates. enjoy GO SKINS !!!!

Yeah, thx for the link. these caught my eye...

"A slimmer OL Mike Williams is moving extremely well in pass blocking drills."

"QB Colt Brennan connected with WR Malcolm Kelly on a deep sideline pattern. Kelly made a slight adjustment to the pass and did wonderful job dragging his feet. Kelly is having a strong camp."


"Energetic as always, OL coach Joe Bugel loudly praised OL Chad Rinehart when he stuffed DE Philip Daniels during a pass blocking drill.
Aug 1 2009 | 9:48:57 am
The fans erupted at Redskins Park when OL Stephon Heyer shoved DE Andre Carter to the ground in a pass blocking drill."

[shally]

Yeah, thx for the link. these caught my eye...

"A slimmer OL Mike Williams is moving extremely well in pass blocking drills."

"QB Colt Brennan connected with WR Malcolm Kelly on a deep sideline pattern. Kelly made a slight adjustment to the pass and did wonderful job dragging his feet. Kelly is having a strong camp."


"Energetic as always, OL coach Joe Bugel loudly praised OL Chad Rinehart when he stuffed DE Philip Daniels during a pass blocking drill.
Aug 1 2009 | 9:48:57 am
The fans erupted at Redskins Park when OL Stephon Heyer shoved DE Andre Carter to the ground in a pass blocking drill."

on the WaPo insider's site, someone posted that Portis de-cleated Haynesworth
on a pass block..!!

that would be worth the price of admission alone..

[shally]

no prob...agree that daniel would be good in the cfl, hope he can be decent backup here as well. Also read that Heyer laid out carter on one play, and reinhart did the same to daniels on another. honestly, now my main focus is on the Oline...want to see them really com together...not too worried about the dline or the defense overall. Kelly/Thomas seem to be coming along which i nice to read. Might actually be a good season GO SKIN !!!!!!

up to today, the brief comments on Mike Williams were pretty negative--saying he was struggling.. it is very nice to read something positive about the big guy

also, thus far, Bridges has gotten pretty poor reviews as a L tackle.. i think his natural position is going to be inside at Guard-- probably in reserve of Thomas for now.

also, it is going to be huge for Kelly to stay healthy all through camp

on the humorous side: Rogers sat out this AM with a calf problem..(again, WaPo site)... ya' think that maybe Shawn Springs might have sprinkled some fairy dust on Carlos before he left ? or is sticking pins into a VooDoo doll's leg in New England ??? lol

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

on the WaPo insider's site, someone posted that Portis de-cleated Haynesworth
on a pass block..!!

that would be worth the price of admission alone..

Wow! take a pill portis.... sheesh.

[BurgundyNGold]

Yeah, thx for the link. these caught my eye...

"A slimmer OL Mike Williams is moving extremely well in pass blocking drills."

"QB Colt Brennan connected with WR Malcolm Kelly on a deep sideline pattern. Kelly made a slight adjustment to the pass and did wonderful job dragging his feet. Kelly is having a strong camp."


"Energetic as always, OL coach Joe Bugel loudly praised OL Chad Rinehart when he stuffed DE Philip Daniels during a pass blocking drill.
Aug 1 2009 | 9:48:57 am
The fans erupted at Redskins Park when OL Stephon Heyer shoved DE Andre Carter to the ground in a pass blocking drill."
Like that's especially hard, lol. He could have spooned out some dirt along the LOS and it would be like crossing a chasm for Daniels. Too bad power lifting != pass rushing.

[akhhorus]

Like that's especially hard, lol. He could have spooned out some dirt along the LOS and it would be like crossing a chasm for Daniels. Too bad power lifting != pass rushing.

You can string a line of dental floss in front of Philip Daniels and stop him lol.

[jaylen]

LOL at Portis smacking the Skins new toy. Portis trying to show him he's top dog round these parts. lol

Good to hear about Mike Williams bouncing back and moving well. Kinda worried with reports that he and Bridges both were struggling.

[shally]

You can string a line of dental floss in front of Philip Daniels and stop him lol.

kind of like those Cow stopping rails they have in texas ???

[JasonCampbell]

Nice interview with Devin Thomas up on redskins.com now.

[VegasSkinsFan]

sorry to change the subject...but did anyone else hear that tavaris might be out all season with a leg injury...just might quell the vick to dc rumors.

[akhhorus]

sorry to change the subject...but did anyone else hear that tavaris might be out all season with a leg injury...just might quell the vick to dc rumors.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/01/a-practical-joke-from-bernard-berrian/

lol

[VegasSkinsFan]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/01/a-practical-joke-from-bernard-berrian/

lol

thanks..was trying to find something :smash:

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I just hope that battling Haynesworth every day can help Rabach not being manhandled and pushed three yards into the backfield when the season starts.

[Redskin-4-life]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/01/a-practical-joke-from-bernard-berrian/

lol

Was it a joke or a wish? lol

[Goskins11]

I just hope that battling Haynesworth every day can help Rabach not being manhandled and pushed three yards into the backfield when the season starts.

ha, good call.

[Chief Seeway]

Can't tell if our D-line is dominant or the O-line sucks... probably a little of both.

[HanburgerBum]

up to today, the brief comments on Mike Williams were pretty negative--saying he was struggling.. it is very nice to read something positive about the big guy

also, thus far, Bridges has gotten pretty poor reviews as a L tackle.. i think his natural position is going to be inside at Guard-- probably in reserve of Thomas for now.

also, it is going to be huge for Kelly to stay healthy all through camp

on the humorous side: Rogers sat out this AM with a calf problem..(again, WaPo site)... ya' think that maybe Shawn Springs might have sprinkled some fairy dust on Carlos before he left ? or is sticking pins into a VooDoo doll's leg in New England ??? lol


The early reports on Mike Williams have been "mixed" to say the least. On the one hand, you have Jason Reid (see link provided by AKH) of the Wash Post and beat reporters on WTEM (local sports radio) stating that Williams has not looked good in pass protection. The WTEM reports even went so far as to state that defensive players were just blowing past him.

On the other hand, you have Sports Illustrated reporting that Williams looked light on his feet and was moving well laterally.

On the first day of practice, which I attended, there was very little live action involving linemen. I certainly couldn't tell whether Williams moved well or not. I did see him up close and he looked very trim.

On balance, I tend to believe more the reports from the local media than ones from a national media like Sports Illustrated, who may not be familiar with the Washington scene. I am guessing that Williams is having trouble with pass protection right now. Hopefully, it is just his working off rust after being away from the game for a couple of years.

[BigCountry]

STUDSNDUDS (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Studs-and-Duds-52263057.html)


Somewhat conflicting from the CBS reports, especially on Campbell. I guess we won't really know what to expect until the pre-season comes around.

[HanburgerBum]

I'm pretty sure he was doing both. He didn't look bad.



Similar to last year. I arrived and left around the same time as last year and had no problems getting into or out of the parking lot.



Yeah, I echo Westbrook looking bad. I'm not liking Hall's 'boom or bust' play style (which was extremely evident in the drills I saw). I'd much rather have Rogers 'knock it down but have no chance of catching it' :)


I just don't know if Hall is going to play like the dreadful corner he was in Oakland the first half of 2008 or be the pretty decent corner he was here the 2nd half of 2008.

His gambling style can certainly backfire into quick TDs for the opposition, and Wash doesn't have the kind of offensive firepower to come back from large deficits in games.

The market for CBs this past offseason was crazy. Didn't Foxworth (released by Denver) get a huge deal also? Presumably, if the Skins didn't give Hall the huge deal he got, he would have gotten that somewhere else. Let's hope Hall's guaranteed money doesn't become dead cap space in the near future.

[shally]

I just don't know if Hall is going to play like the dreadful corner he was in Oakland the first half of 2008 or be the pretty decent corner he was here the 2nd half of 2008.

His gambling style can certainly backfire into quick TDs for the opposition, and Wash doesn't have the kind of offensive firepower to come back from large deficits in games.

The market for CBs this past offseason was crazy. Didn't Foxworth (released by Denver) get a huge deal also? Presumably, if the Skins didn't give Hall the huge deal he got, he would have gotten that somewhere else. Let's hope Hall's guaranteed money doesn't become dead cap space in the near future.

i think hall will be fine.. he will create turnovers for us, and with the safeties we have, i think we are going to be more than okay

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

So, is Hall the #1 corner?

[Dolla Bill]

Interesting blurb about Brennan and Daniels at the end. (http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__In_Pads__Defense_Ahead_of_Offense_45 147.jsp)

I think that Chase might get left on the PS when its said and done, unless he just completely blows up in the preseason. Against scrubs.

[jaylen]

saw something interesting on comcast on their nightly recap show they showed Orakpo rushing against Samuels twice and he beat him both times and was held by Samuels on one of the rushes. Now I don't know what that says about either player but it was real impressive to see him beat Samuels like that. It was mentioned by the interviewer.

[shally]

saw something interesting on comcast on their nightly recap show they showed Orakpo rushing against Samuels twice and he beat him both times and was held by Samuels on one of the rushes. Now I don't know what that says about either player but it was real impressive to see him beat Samuels like that. It was mentioned by the interviewer.

the guy is a natural pass rusher.. he might not be the second coming of Osi or Ware, but i think he will become the best pass rusher we have had since
charles mann..

[shally]

Interesting blurb about Brennan and Daniels at the end. (http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__In_Pads__Defense_Ahead_of_Offense_45 147.jsp)

I think that Chase might get left on the PS when its said and done, unless he just completely blows up in the preseason. Against scrubs.

i think the only chance that daniel has is, ironically, if brennan can securely take the number 2 spot away from collins.. at that point, collins becomes expensive and expendable and daniel has a chance to be #3.. otherwise, colt stays at 3 and daniel goes to the PS, or to Canada..

[Patrick]

The early reports on Mike Williams have been "mixed" to say the least. On the one hand, you have Jason Reid (see link provided by AKH) of the Wash Post and beat reporters on WTEM (local sports radio) stating that Williams has not looked good in pass protection. The WTEM reports even went so far as to state that defensive players were just blowing past him.

On the other hand, you have Sports Illustrated reporting that Williams looked light on his feet and was moving well laterally.

On the first day of practice, which I attended, there was very little live action involving linemen. I certainly couldn't tell whether Williams moved well or not. I did see him up close and he looked very trim.

On balance, I tend to believe more the reports from the local media than ones from a national media like Sports Illustrated, who may not be familiar with the Washington scene. I am guessing that Williams is having trouble with pass protection right now. Hopefully, it is just his working off rust after being away from the game for a couple of years.
Yep - there are several view points being reported and although they are all interesting reads the real telling story will come in the live scrimmages and pre-seaon games. The only problem there though will be the amount of playing time a player of interest may get. ............ So far there have been more positives than negitives which IMO is a good thing.

[firehawk157]

Yep - there are several view points being reported and although they are all interesting reads the real telling story will come in the live scrimmages and pre-seaon games. The only problem there though will be the amount of playing time a player of interest may get. ............ So far there have been more positives than negitives which IMO is a good thing.
No serious injuries really helps too...

[JasonCampbell]

Sounds like the defense is continuing to eat up the offense: http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Training_Camp_Practice_Report__Aug__2_45208.jsp

Unless the DL turned into the Giants overnight, I'm officially concerned about the OL

[shally]

Sounds like the defense is continuing to eat up the offense: http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Training_Camp_Practice_Report__Aug__2_45208.jsp

Unless the DL turned into the Giants overnight, I'm officially concerned about the OL

we started with a legitimate "good" defense that should only be better this year..

[JasonCampbell]

we started with a legitimate "good" defense that should only be better this year..

Yeah. I guess I'm scared because I don't remember reading so much of "Player X was in the backfield disrupting the play before it started" as I did last year. It seemed most the problems in TC last year revolved around the QBs and the WRs, not the OL play.

Of course, adding Haynesworth and Orakpo (who sounds like is beating Samuels as much as Samuels is handling Orakpo) would cause disruption in the backfield.

[JasonCampbell]

As much as I hate and loathe twitter, it is actually a good service for TC. Matt Terl has some interesting stuff: http://twitter.com/RedskinsBlog

I like Orakpo playing all over the place!

[shally]

Yeah. I guess I'm scared because I don't remember reading so much of "Player X was in the backfield disrupting the play before it started" as I did last year. It seemed most the problems in TC last year revolved around the QBs and the WRs, not the OL play.

Of course, adding Haynesworth and Orakpo (who sounds like is beating Samuels as much as Samuels is handling Orakpo) would cause disruption in the backfield.

we have Hall instead of "Calf" Springs-Eternal, and Moore healthy. Doughty is also healthy. the early reports on Wilson and Jackson are positive (they seems to have a great first step). no matter what anyone says, having a healthy Treebeard Daniels back is a plus for any Blache defense. the competition for the final spot on D line is going to be brutal, and it would not surprise me if a quality player like Wynn gets cut to make way for a younger player. we will see someone pick up our last cuts from the D line

the only questions are at linebacker. i am thrilled that the coaches finally realized the Blades is a natural in the middle, where is lack of size is not acutely a problem. the keys will be whether Rocky can rebound, whether Fletcher has another season left in his body, and whether one of the young draft picks can step up in a reserve role. Fincher seems to have stepped up a little, but in his case, it is always from the neck up that he is vulnerable

in the secondary, it looks like tryon is a little less hesitant and that is translating into him making plays, instead of arriving a half step late.
i look forward to seeing him in actual games. maybe he wont be a bust after all ? and barnes will be a player. he just needs reps and to stay healthy..

[shally]

As much as I hate and loathe twitter, it is actually a good service for TC. Matt Terl has some interesting stuff: http://twitter.com/RedskinsBlog

I like Orakpo playing all over the place!

i think people worrying about what he was being called, were overly pessimistic.. the guy is a very good player, no matter where he lines up

[CarMike]

I like the sound of this:

Phillip Daniels @ tackle & Orakpo at rde during 2 minute drill.

[firehawk157]

Sounds like the defense is continuing to eat up the offense: http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Training_Camp_Practice_Report__Aug__2_45208.jsp

Unless the DL turned into the Giants overnight, I'm officially concerned about the OL
Don't be. Offense is always behind the defense at this point.

I actually like that because it sounds like Blanche switched his scheme to an attacking defense.

[JasonCampbell]

Don't be. Offense is always behind the defense at this point.

I actually like that because it sounds like Blanche switched his scheme to an attacking defense.

But is the offensive line (and a veteran one at that) always getting demolished?

[firehawk157]

But is the offensive line (and a veteran one at that) always getting demolished?
The newest report doesn't make it seem like the offense is getting demolished.

[akhhorus]

Don't be. Offense is always behind the defense at this point.

+1. I'm not going to read too much into things until they play some games.

I actually like that because it sounds like Blanche switched his scheme to an attacking defense.

I really hope that Blache did switch to an attacking defense, because we have the pieces for that. But I won't believe it until he does it consistently on the field.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Don't be. Offense is always behind the defense at this point.

I actually like that because it sounds like Blanche switched his scheme to an attacking defense.

Yeah, but if he is only attacking our qb what good is it.....i will wait until i see blache unleash these guys against eli in game 1. GO SKINS !!!!

[jaylen]

I actually think our defense could be outstanding this year if we get solid lb play. Haynes seems unblockable as he should be at TC lol but Orakpo getting props from veterans on both sides is eye catching. Carter even crediting his techniuqe which is nice to hear. I have no concerns with him rushing the passer can he do lb things is the real issue.

I have major concerns about the O line though. They often struggle with an up field only d line in TC but there may be some serious red lags based on the reports to consider.

[shally]

+1. I'm not going to read too much into things until they play some games.



I really hope that Blache did switch to an attacking defense, because we have the pieces for that. But I won't believe it until he does it consistently on the field.

+1

here's hoping Blache doesnt revert to passivity when it counts..

[silverspring]

Very positive feedback about the defense. Seems like linebacker is the only question mark. Last pre-season I was intrigued by fincher and I hope he takes that big step forward this year. Maybe we will end up seeing a rotation at linebacker between him and orakpo on running/passing downs.
I am surprised to see so much positive commentary on tryon. Nice to hear that the cornerbacks (other than rogers) are playing well in general though.

I think it is good that the defense is exposing problems early on. The offense is only going to get better by facing a tougher defense. If the line doesn't start making positive steps in another week I expect to see runyon in a redskins uniform. I am excited about the overwhelmingly positive feedback I have read on the receivers.

[HanburgerBum]

i think hall will be fine.. he will create turnovers for us, and with the safeties we have, i think we are going to be more than okay


That would be true if Sean Taylor were paired with Landry at safety. With Landry-Horton or Landry-Moore, I am not that confident.

Besides, isn't it a strategy for this season having Landry playing closer to the line of scrimmage to take advantage of his blitzing ability? Would Blache still be able to do that if a gambling DeAngelo Hall is on the field at one corner?

[HanburgerBum]

So, is Hall the #1 corner?


I think it's Hall's job to lose. The Redskins didn't sign him to a huge deal and cut ties with Springs just to have him as a backup.

But, if Hall coughs up a bunch of TDs with his boom-or-bust style of play, he will be demoted.

[akhhorus]

I think it's Hall's job to lose. The Redskins didn't sign him to a huge deal and cut ties with Springs just to have him as a backup.

But, if Hall coughs up a bunch of TDs with his boom-or-bust style of play, he will be demoted.

With his contract, its next to impossible to just bench him or demote him to the nickel back.

[firehawk157]

I think it's Hall's job to lose. The Redskins didn't sign him to a huge deal and cut ties with Springs just to have him as a backup.

But, if Hall coughs up a bunch of TDs with his boom-or-bust style of play, he will be demoted.
I think Rogers will play the bigger, more physical receivers (Calvin Johnson or Roy Williams) while DeAngelo Hall will play the speedsters (DeSean Jackson) because it just plays better into the skillsets. The #1 and #2 corner labels don't really mean much.

[HanburgerBum]

Sounds like the defense is continuing to eat up the offense: http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Training_Camp_Practice_Report__Aug__2_45208.jsp

Unless the DL turned into the Giants overnight, I'm officially concerned about the OL


You are finally concerned about our Oline? Where have you been? On a mission to Mars?

Seriously, the Oline has been awful since the latter portion of 2008 and is full of question marks now. I personally think there is way too much age on this Oline. Rabach, Thomas, perhaps even Samuels, have all seen their better days. Dockery may be okay, but you still wonder why Buffalo released him. Heyer has not yet proven that he is a solid starter at this level. M Williams and Bridges are both re-treads and not that young either. You hope the younger players (E Williams, Rhinehart, etc) are of NFL caliber, but who really knows at this point?

Without a solid Oline, Campbell will be running for his life every passing down and Clinton will not find many holes to run thru.

I will say this. If the Oline proves to be adequate, the Skins may have a surprisingly good season. Otherwise, AKH's prediction of 5-11 is very possible, if not likely.

[firehawk157]

Everybody just needs to destress about the OL. If we were hearing that the offensive line was stoning the defensive line, we'd be freaking out about Orakpo being a bust, Haynesworth being the second coming of Stubblefield and another year approaching 2006 defensive futility. As Akh said, let's see how they look in the preseason before we freak out and start speculating about Runyan.

[HanburgerBum]

With his contract, its next to impossible to just bench him or demote him to the nickel back.


I don't disagree with your take. But, if Hall really stinks up the place and plays like he did in Oakland, the coaches will have no choice but to sit him. To keep him in the starting lineup just because he has a big contract when his play doesn't justify it would be a blow to team morale.

[HanburgerBum]

I think Rogers will play the bigger, more physical receivers (Calvin Johnson or Roy Williams) while DeAngelo Hall will play the speedsters (DeSean Jackson) because it just plays better into the skillsets. The #1 and #2 corner labels don't really mean much.


You are undoubtedly right. Actually, when I was replying to Taylor21, I was addressing the question whether Hall would be a starter at corner--not who is the #1 corner vs the #2 corner.

Regardless whether Hall takes on the bigger WR or the quicker WR, his gambling style will get him more interceptions on the one hand but will cause him to give up TDs on the other hand. I just hope there is not much more of the latter than the former that he has to be benched.

[akhhorus]

Everybody just needs to destress about the OL. If we were hearing that the offensive line was stoning the defensive line, we'd be freaking out about Orakpo being a bust, Haynesworth being the second coming of Stubblefield and another year approaching 2006 defensive futility. As Akh said, let's see how they look in the preseason before we freak out and start speculating about Runyan.

Thank you. I'm not reading too much into anything besides technique reports. That being said, if the Oline is really pathetic, how good is the Dline really?

I don't disagree with your take. But, if Hall really stinks up the place and plays like he did in Oakland, the coaches will have no choice but to sit him. To keep him in the starting lineup just because he has a big contract when his play doesn't justify it would be a blow to team morale.

They won't bench him. Not at his salary. They'll hide him as much as possible and hope he fights through it, but it would take Hall struggling and someone like Barnes or Smoot looking great for the coaches to even think about benching him.

[firehawk157]

You are undoubtedly right. Actually, when I was replying to Taylor21, I was addressing the question whether Hall would be a starter at corner--not who is the #1 corner vs the #2 corner.

Regardless whether Hall takes on the bigger WR or the quicker WR, his gambling style will get him more interceptions on the one hand but will cause him to give up TDs on the other hand. I just hope there is not much more of the latter than the former that he has to be benched.
Jerry Gray has to be one of the best CB coaches in the league, I'm not too concerned. Furthermore, like it or not, Landry is going to play deep again and while he may not be able to get there every play, he can make up for Hall's gambling a good deal.

[firehawk157]

Thank you. I'm not reading too much into anything besides technique reports. That being said, if the Oline is really pathetic, how good is the Dline really?



They won't bench him. Not at his salary. They'll hide him as much as possible and hope he fights through it, but it would take Hall struggling and someone like Barnes or Smoot looking great for the coaches to even think about benching him.
We should get a great read in the preseason, most of those defenses are better than any other ones we'll see this season.

[akhhorus]

We should get a great read in the preseason, most of those defenses are better than any other ones we'll see this season.

Depends on who they throw at the right side of the line, but if Williabridghaeyer can survive against Balto-Pittsburgh-Pats' pass rush without getting Campbell beaten up, then they could be decent. I'll bring this up with my post game columns of course, but I'm going to be looking very closely at how they matchup with blitzes. The whole season could turn on that.

[guess88]

Where is all this concern about Hall f'ing up coming from? He did great for us just stepping in, and ended the season well. I won't start doubting him, until he's shown reason for it.

I don't count performance in Oakland, because that's where player skills die.

[firehawk157]

Where is all this concern about Hall f'ing up coming from? He did great for us just stepping in, and ended the season well. I won't start doubting him, until he's shown reason for it.

I don't count performance in Oakland, because that's where player skills die.
Asomugha wants a word with you.

[fent]

couple recent notes from that cbs link someone posted earlier.


Aug 2 2009 | 4:30:15 pm
Redskins rookie DE Jeremy Jarmon has run around OL Mike Williams on two occasions. Williams could barely get a hand on Jarmon.

don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing....

Aug 2 2009 | 3:59:27 pm
LB/DE Brian Orakpo was not drafted only for his pass rushing abilities. Watching how Redskins LB coach Kirk Olivadotti is working with the rookie, his upper body strength will be utilized to stuff tight ends.

if he can cover guys up the seam, then we may have something.

[LATrueRedskin]

Everybody just needs to destress about the OL. If we were hearing that the offensive line was stoning the defensive line, we'd be freaking out about Orakpo being a bust, Haynesworth being the second coming of Stubblefield and another year approaching 2006 defensive futility. As Akh said, let's see how they look in the preseason before we freak out and start speculating about Runyan.

I agree. I'm not going to worry after a week of practice, and only a couple of days in pads. Let these guys work off the rust.

[CarMike]

If he can cover TEs, he'll be good. However, that's why I've been against him playing LBer. I pray he proves me wrong.

[colkurtz]

WP notes that the DL is putting a lot of pressure on JC, with AH leading the charge.

Not too many good marks for Mike Williams - even with all his lost weight.

JC threw a couple on INT. Blamed on the DL rush.

Thomas is doing well and may be the #3 WR. Of course this is all after a couple practices. Long way to go.

The OL was struggling late last year. Except for Mike Williams, Cerrato has done little to improve this squad. All the juice was put into the DL and Orakpo. I just don't see the OL holding it together. Again, I'm one of the few on hR to bring in Runyon. We need help NOW.

My predictions: I think we'll see a very good defense, with a real pass rush and continued turnovers.

The offense will struggle and JC will be benched by game 8. Then Colt or Todd will take us through the rest of the season. My 2 cents.

[guess88]

Asomugha wants a word with you.

Asomougha doesn't count, he's a God. No mortal can posses such a name and abilities.

[shally]

WP notes that the DL is putting a lot of pressure on JC, with AH leading the charge.

Not too many good marks for Mike Williams - even with all his lost weight.

JC threw a couple on INT. Blamed on the DL rush.

Thomas is doing well and may be the #3 WR. Of course this is all after a couple practices. Long way to go.

The OL was struggling late last year. Except for Mike Williams, Cerrato has done little to improve this squad. All the juice was put into the DL and Orakpo. I just don't see the OL holding it together. Again, I'm one of the few on hR to bring in Runyon. We need help NOW.

My predictions: I think we'll see a very good defense, with a real pass rush and continued turnovers.

The offense will struggle and JC will be benched by game 8. Then Colt or Todd will take us through the rest of the season. My 2 cents.


williams needs to work off some rust.. too soon to say more than that..

and if the o line isnt solid, Collins wont be any better than Campbell.. seattle proved that beyond a doubt..

[culpeper]

"EVERYONE JUST NEEDS TO STAY CALM! WE CANT JUST START FREAKING OUT" -Frank the Tank

[Dolla Bill]

Eh, i'm not really not that worried till after the 2nd or 3rd preseason game. By then, you can get a true feel of the OL in real action.

[native skin]

Eh, i'm not really not that worried till after the 2nd or 3rd preseason game. By then, you can get a true feel of the OL in real action.

Yeah, by then, we'll know how bad they really suck!

[shally]

Eh, i'm not really not that worried till after the 2nd or 3rd preseason game. By then, you can get a true feel of the OL in real action.

agree. if you remember, last year we got progressively worse each game in preseason
Yeah, by then, we'll know how bad they really suck!

you could be right.. on the other hand, it is against the Giants that we will really get a true measure of how good our lines are

[esmith1790]

Yeah, by then, we'll know how bad they really suck!

to Quote Will Ferrell, " Is this bad? Is this bad?"

[joethefan]

I tell you this, a buddy of mine went to training camp on yesterday (Sat)...

He wound up actually talking to Blache...he told him to keep his eye on Orakpo...

Well, he said Orakpo lined up on Samuels and said more than once, before Chris was out of his stance, Brian was already past him...on more than 3 occasions!!!..He also said Chris had to hold him to stop him more than oce as well....

Good for Brian but not a good sign for Chris....

Im trying to go on thursday..so i will keep my eye on that....

[ClubSandwichGuy]

I tell you this, a buddy of mine went to training camp on yesterday (Sat)...

He wound up actually talking to Blache...he told him to keep his eye on Orakpo...

Well, he said Orakpo lined up on Samuels and said more than once, before Chris was out of his stance, Brian was already past him...on more than 3 occasions!!!..He also said Chris had to hold him to stop him more than oce as well....

Good for Brian but not a good sign for Chris....

Im trying to go on thursday..so i will keep my eye on that....
Training Camp is so frustrating because we just don't know if this is due to Orakpo being dominant or Samuels really losing a step. I'm getting so pumped up for the season now...

[Dolla Bill]

agree. if you remember, last year we got progressively worse each game in preseason

True, but also by week 2 they started rolling. The only problem is to see if the OL can handle a 2nd half of a season. If they can't, then in addition to JC being benched (warranted or not) I could also see an infusion of youth to the line and see how they do.

I just wonder what's Rhinehardt's progression like. He is a 3rd round pick, who should contribute something. I don't think in no way he is a tackle, but as a guard. I just wonder if he could step into Thomas' shoes if need be. Our depth, while it seemed to be great in the offseason, has people concerned. From all reports, the OL has been pretty bad from aside from a couple of standouts. Who would of thunk that Rabach would be one of those?

It takes a while for an OL to gel, especially since we have a new LG. I would put Heyer as the #1 RT at the moment, and if that's the case this is the same starting unit as 2008, except for Dockery.

[firehawk157]

I tell you this, a buddy of mine went to training camp on yesterday (Sat)...

He wound up actually talking to Blache...he told him to keep his eye on Orakpo...

Well, he said Orakpo lined up on Samuels and said more than once, before Chris was out of his stance, Brian was already past him...on more than 3 occasions!!!..He also said Chris had to hold him to stop him more than oce as well....

Good for Brian but not a good sign for Chris....

Im trying to go on thursday..so i will keep my eye on that....
It's interesting that Blanche would talk up the rookie given his known distrust of rookies.

[Moe]

Listening to the Junkies this morning and they have a guy who is at camp and giving them daily updates. He had this to say about the weekend practices:
-O-line is struggling. He said Heyer and Dock looked 'pretty good,' Samuels and Thomas 'just ok,' and that Williams struggled.
-He said the best play from an o-lineman came from Wil Montgomery who was one on one with Hayneworth and after getting driven back initially he held his ground and really went after Big Al. After the play, Al gave him an 'attaboy' tap.
-the D as a whole has looked impressive across the board.
-Thomas seems like a different player, really flying all over the field. Kelly made two 'ridiculous' catches near the sideline and uses his hands very well. Fred Davis catches everything and is tough to take down.
-Orakpo looks like a beast. Lined him up at both DE's and he is explosvie. Has looked good at LB too and is all over th field.
-Jarmon made some nice moves and Jackson flashed some rush skills as well.

[LATrueRedskin]

So, based on the first week of practice, how do you guys like Zorn's approach this year i.e. letting the veterans sleep at home, giving them the morning off today, etc.?

[shally]

So, based on the first week of practice, how do you guys like Zorn's approach this year i.e. letting the veterans sleep at home, giving them the morning off today, etc.?

a non issue thus far...

so Zorn gets a +

[firehawk157]

Listening to the Junkies this morning and they have a guy who is at camp and giving them daily updates. He had this to say about the weekend practices:
-O-line is struggling. He said Heyer and Dock looked 'pretty good,' Samuels and Thomas 'just ok,' and that Williams struggled.
-He said the best play from an o-lineman came from Wil Montgomery who was one on one with Hayneworth and after getting driven back initially he held his ground and really went after Big Al. After the play, Al gave him an 'attaboy' tap.
-the D as a whole has looked impressive across the board.
-Thomas seems like a different player, really flying all over the field. Kelly made two 'ridiculous' catches near the sideline and uses his hands very well. Fred Davis catches everything and is tough to take down.
-Orakpo looks like a beast. Lined him up at both DE's and he is explosvie. Has looked good at LB too and is all over th field.
-Jarmon made some nice moves and Jackson flashed some rush skills as well.

1) Not worried about Samuels, he'll be ready to go come September. Thomas is concerning and Williams, eh, oh well.
2) Really great news on the young guys. Thomas looks really good and Orakpo, wow!

[Hrabanmaur]

So, based on the first week of practice, how do you guys like Zorn's approach this year i.e. letting the veterans sleep at home, giving them the morning off today, etc.?

I buy the line that Training Camp ain't like it used to be b/c the NFL trains like a year round sport. According to the Jenkins article in the Post, Zorn really pushed conditioning in the offseason and players bought into it.

As long as these guys are prepared come Game 1, I think it's good, especially for our vets.

[shally]

I buy the line that Training Camp ain't like it used to be b/c the NFL trains like a year round sport. According to the Jenkins article in the Post, Zorn really pushed conditioning in the offseason and players bought into it.

As long as these guys are prepared come Game 1, I think it's good, especially for our vets.

and, as long as someone doesnt act like a knucklehead

[hockeygoalie29]

"The O-line is fine."
-Vinny Cerrato

;)

[CNYSkinFan]

"The O-line is fine."
-Vinny Cerrato

;)

In all honesty I do think there is a master plan at work here, but not one i am fond of. I think the team spent alot of money and draft choices to upgrade the defense but is unwilling to do that with the oline because they do nto believe in Zorn or JC. Once the season is done, both Zorn and JC are on the hot seat. If they somehow manage to get into the playoffs and score a few points they will get the blank check the defense received this season.

If not a new offensive minded coach will be brought in to revamp the offednse from ground zero includign a rookie qb like Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow to do it with. Shanahan is th most likely candidate.

Remember I dont agree with this philosophy at all, but I think that is why the oline is ignored this year whiole the dline was actually addressed.

[colkurtz]

"The O-line is fine."
-Vinny Cerrato

;)

Snyderrato decided to fix the DL this year and we'll see an amazing turn-around there compared to the lackluster pass rushes of the last 2 decades.

Unfortunately they didn't done very much with the OL. Mike Williams was a huge long shot - I hope he can at least be an average player. I think Vinny decided that they couldn't fix the OL this season and that JC is also a lost cause. Cerrato has been a poor drafter of the OL - he brings in lots of bodies and hopes someone will stick to the wall.

BL - Vinny considered the DL and OL a two year project. DL will be very strong but the OL is going to be scary - and not in a good way.

[akhhorus]

In all honesty I do think there is a master plan at work here, but not one i am fond of. I think the team spent alot of money and draft choices to upgrade the defense but is unwilling to do that with the oline because they do nto believe in Zorn or JC. Once the season is done, both Zorn and JC are on the hot seat. If they somehow manage to get into the playoffs and score a few points they will get the blank check the defense received this season.

If not a new offensive minded coach will be brought in to revamp the offednse from ground zero includign a rookie qb like Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow to do it with. Shanahan is th most likely candidate.

Remember I dont agree with this philosophy at all, but I think that is why the oline is ignored this year whiole the dline was actually addressed.

I think you can apply this logic to Blache on the other side of the coin: considering the draft picks and cap money invested in the defense, if it struggles, he's gone also.

[Hrabanmaur]

In all honesty I do think there is a master plan at work here, but not one i am fond of. I think the team spent alot of money and draft choices to upgrade the defense but is unwilling to do that with the oline because they do nto believe in Zorn or JC. Once the season is done, both Zorn and JC are on the hot seat. If they somehow manage to get into the playoffs and score a few points they will get the blank check the defense received this season.

If not a new offensive minded coach will be brought in to revamp the offednse from ground zero includign a rookie qb like Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow to do it with. Shanahan is th most likely candidate.

Remember I dont agree with this philosophy at all, but I think that is why the oline is ignored this year whiole the dline was actually addressed.

I think your prediction may end up coming true, but I don't know that it will have been premeditated by the front office. I think Cerrato has just as much on the line as Zorn (ohhh, the pun). A strong coach next year may very well muscle Cerrato out of a job. I think, to the front office's credit, they realized it was not a great class of free agents for the O-line. Most players on the market were either over 30 or had recently sustained injuries, particularly at tackle. I actually applaud the front office in at least addressing one of the lines in the offseason and for focusing on talent in its prime.

As for the draft, you know Vinny loves to take the "best player available" particularly at the top. The top OTs were off the board at 13. We had no 2nd rounder. You can draft an O-lineman 3rd and below, but they're not likely to contribute as rookies -- see Chad Rhinehart -- although, you can make the case that we should still have strengthened our depth this way.

I see circumstances pushing us here rather than conspiracy from the front office. Ideally, I would have liked to see us address the O-line, but you can't get it all in one offseason.

<Braces himself for accusations of being Vinny's boy toy>

[akhhorus]

I think your prediction may end up coming true, but I don't know that it will have been premeditated by the front office. I think Cerrato has just as much on the line as Zorn (ohhh, the pun). A strong coach next year may very well muscle Cerrato out of a job. I think, to the front office's credit, they realized it was not a great class of free agents for the O-line. Most players on the market were either over 30 or had recently sustained injuries, particularly at tackle. I actually applaud the front office in at least addressing one of the lines in the offseason and for focusing on talent in its prime.

As for the draft, you know Vinny loves to take the "best player available" particularly at the top. The top OTs were off the board at 13. We had no 2nd rounder. You can draft an O-lineman 3rd and below, but they're not likely to contribute as rookies -- see Chad Rhinehart -- although, you can make the case that we should still have strengthened our depth this way.

I see circumstances pushing us here rather than conspiracy from the front office. Ideally, I would have liked to see us address the O-line, but you can't get it all in one offseason.

<Braces himself for accusations of being Vinny's boy toy>

There was a good OT available at 13: Oher. Britton wouldn't have been a reach there also. And considering that the skins were willing to bring in a stiff like Mike Williams to compete for the RT spot, they could have used the Cody Glenn and Robert Henson picks on an OT/OLman. Jamon Meredith, Fenuki Tupou, Herman Johnson and Duke Robinson were all taken within 10 picks after Cody Glenn was taken. All of them probably could start for the skins.

There's just absolutely zero justification for the skins not to draft a RT or to sign a Vet who can actually play.

[BurgundyNGold]

I buy the line that Training Camp ain't like it used to be b/c the NFL trains like a year round sport. According to the Jenkins article in the Post, Zorn really pushed conditioning in the offseason and players bought into it.

As long as these guys are prepared come Game 1, I think it's good, especially for our vets.
It is just me or doesn't it seem like we hear...

[Coach Name] really pushed conditioning for [Team Name] in the offseason and players bought into it.

... every year, lol?

[colkurtz]

In all honesty I do think there is a master plan at work here, but not one i am fond of. I think the team spent alot of money and draft choices to upgrade the defense but is unwilling to do that with the oline because they do nto believe in Zorn or JC. Once the season is done, both Zorn and JC are on the hot seat. If they somehow manage to get into the playoffs and score a few points they will get the blank check the defense received this season.

If not a new offensive minded coach will be brought in to revamp the offednse from ground zero includign a rookie qb like Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow to do it with. Shanahan is th most likely candidate.

Remember I dont agree with this philosophy at all, but I think that is why the oline is ignored this year whiole the dline was actually addressed.

+1. Snyder decided to fix the defense. They're going to let Zorn and JC swing in the wind. The team will be more attractive for a new HC with a top 5 defense. The new coach will get a blank check to build up the offense with a new QB.

If the offense tanks this year - will Cerrato pay the price for that? He picked Zorn. He helped picked JC. He's been incapable of drafting any decent OL players. I bet any new head coach will INSIST that Vinny be taken out of the equation or given a ceremonial position.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

If the offense tanks this year - will Cerrato pay the price for that? He picked Zorn. He helped picked JC.
I wouldn't assign any credit/blame to Cerrato for the Campbell selection.

From what I've heard, that was a Gibbs selection all the way.

Unfortunately....