Gun Control

[PennSkinsFan]

Please vote

[jsarno]

I don't really like the choices. But I said it's my constitutional right. I do feel that they should have SOME control though. Since I am an honest man that has never once been in trouble with the law, I should have no control over me. But those who have had trouble with the law should.
Yes, it's a constitutional right to bear arms, but for those that break the law, that right should no longer apply.

[AGibbsGirl]

Being a victim of domestic violence...guns scare the hell outta me!

But it is a right...

Just not semi-automatic or any of those police killer guns!

So, because the choices were confusing, I went with guns must be controlled

[rskinsfan10]

Gun control for sure.

[Skins57]

Gun control for me also.

[Skinzaholic]

Im a libertarian... government is too controlling as it is.

No to Gun Control at all.

[Seebs]

Of course gun control!

[PennSkinsFan]

I selected gun control in regards to automatic weopens. But, as far as hunting rifles and hand guns with permits, sorry, it is a protected right. We have the given right to defend ourselves, and i dont even own a gun, never will.

[Spence]

I'd like to see much greater regulation of automatic weapons and small, easily-concealable weapons like Saturday Night Specials. Hunters have a right to hunt. Legitimate hunting weapons should not be banned at all. But some weapons out there exist only to hunt human beings.

As General Wesley Clark has said: "If you want to use automatic weapons, join the Army. We've got lots of 'em!"

Smart man.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
I selected gun control in regards to automatic weopens. But, as far as hunting rifles and hand guns with permits, sorry, it is a protected right. We have the given right to defend ourselves, and i dont even own a gun, never will.


New Mexico does not require permits. I bought a gun off a man that never even put it together (still in the box) the first month I moved here. I paid cash, I walked home with it that second. He took care of the serial numbers.
You are allowed to carry the gun in public as long as it is in plain site. (not concieled)
This is just for your info. New Mexico is a strange state.

[Green-Is-Good]

Gun Control. Gun violence is too high in the states.

"Lisa, if the King of England came in here and started pushing you around, would you like it? huh, huh?"

[jsarno]

You're right GiG it is. It's a shame too. But this is what happens when you're allowed freedom. Idiots have it to.
Let's also remember that teenage pregnancy is too high. So is unwed mothers. Does this mean we should have restrictions on sex? A right is a right.

Like I said though...I don't think an criminal should have access..they shuld lose that right the second they abuse the law.

[Skinzaholic]

Actually... I do believe in Gun Control....

Im controlling my aim as I shoot the guy who is breaking into my house right between the eyes.

[jsarno]

EXACTLY!

(although that doesn't sound biblical) ;)

[Green-Is-Good]

lol @ Skinz

jsarno, gun violence causes 10,000 deaths every year in the U.S. alone. That is too high a price to pay.

[jsarno]

too high a price to pay for what? Freedom?

I could agree with you if it wasn't in our constitution, but if we value that constitution, we have every right to bear arms. It's sad that people are not responsible. But the more we take away from the ignorant, the more we hurt everyone of us.

[Green-Is-Good]

Okay, if you want to live in a country full of gun nuts, go right ahead.

[Keino]

Here is where I differ from my normal Side of the Political Spectrum. I am Totally opposed to gun control...even automatic weapons. Gun Control to date has not stopped gun violence, and Never will. Most Guns used in violent crimes are illegally obtained and not registered anyway. I am not for restrictions on Automatic Weapons. Im sorry, but I just don't trust the police to police me fairly. The Police need to be policed as well. Allowing the Citizens to arm themselves is the only way to do that in my opinion.

If I want to arm myself with an AK47 Assault Rifle, I should be permitted to do so...........

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Green Is Good
Okay, if you want to live in a country full of gun nuts, go right ahead.

:lol1:

Newsflash...WE BOTH ALREADY DO!

[dukeuch]

As far as I can see, m,ost advocates of gun control, myself included, are asking for a simple form of licensing and registration, like you would for a car, and perhaps the ban of certain weapons such as tefon coated bullets, the main attribute of which is the ability to pierce body armor (i.e. kill cops).

So what is the big deal?

[Skins57]

I only want to regulate the sale of non huning weapons. I grew up with shotguns and rifles in the house but if someone could explain one very good reason to have an AK-47, I would like to hear it. As Clark has said if you want an automatic rifle join the military

[Keino]

The point Im making is that AK-47's are already on the Streets of America, as are most guns that are already "Banned". Banning them has done nothing, making them legal makes them easier to regulate.
Im also not comfortable with our government agents (Military/Police) having access to weapons that the Citizenry is not.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by Keino
The point Im making is that AK-47's are already on the Streets of America, as are most guns that are already "Banned". Banning them has done nothing, making them legal makes them easier to regulate.
Im also not comfortable with our government agents (Military/Police) having access to weapons that the Citizenry is not.

Well, crack, heroin, and any assortment of drugs are on the street too, and while I'd like to see them decriminalized somewhat, I certainly do not want to see them legal. While I do not trust our military and police totally, I'd much rather see these weapons in their hands than the general population. WHy are you fearful of their having weapons you do not? Seems like you are concerned that we might need to rise up and kill military/police for some reason.

[Skinzaholic]

Originally posted by dukeuch
As far as I can see, m,ost advocates of gun control, myself included, are asking for a simple form of licensing and registration, like you would for a car, and perhaps the ban of certain weapons such as tefon coated bullets, the main attribute of which is the ability to pierce body armor (i.e. kill cops).

So what is the big deal?


The Big Deal is giving the government too much decision making power in our lives. The real reason freedom to bear arms was inserted into the Constitution was to give the citizens protection power against the government itself. This was meant to prevent another England. By removing this right it signals to many Americans the break down of our basic freedom principles.

Unfortunately, most advocates of gun control argue from an extremely limited and short-sighted position.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by Skinzaholic
The Big Deal is giving the government too much decision making power in our lives. The real reason freedom to bear arms was inserted into the Constitution was to give the citizens protection power against the government itself. This was meant to prevent another England. By removing this right it signals to many Americans the break down of our basic freedom principles.

Unfortunately, most advocates of gun control argue from an extremely limited and short-sighted position.

Except that I think there is language referring to a "well regulated militia". At the time, there was no way for a federal army to ensure protection of the various settlements across what at the time was the nation. I do not buy into the view that it was to protect the people from the American govt. At the present, I trust the government, police force, etc. a whole lot more than I do the general population when it comes to when is the appropriate time to wield firearms.

[Keino]

Originally posted by dukeuch
Well, crack, heroin, and any assortment of drugs are on the street too, and while I'd like to see them decriminalized somewhat, I certainly do not want to see them legal. While I do not trust our military and police totally, I'd much rather see these weapons in their hands than the general population. WHy are you fearful of their having weapons you do not? Seems like you are concerned that we might need to rise up and kill military/police for some reason.

Yes I am. You never know, but it seems like this country's leadership is moving in a facist direction . Besides, wasn't that how our country was founded? Revolution. I do not trust a cop to not shoot me in the back and then plant a gun on me. I trust myself with a gun alot more.....

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by Keino
Yes I am. You never know, but it seems like this country's leadership is moving in a facist direction . Besides, wasn't that how our country was founded? Revolution. I do not trust a cop to not shoot me in the back and then plant a gun on me. I trust myself with a gun alot more.....

Well, from what I've seen written by you for the most part, I'd trust you too. There are lots out there I would not, however, and like it or not, it's tough to erase a mistake made by a bullet. I still do not see the harm in having thorough background checks and registration. I just do not buy into the idea that one day the govt is goimg to use those records to ferret out all the guns and then crush us under their heel.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by Spence
I'd like to see much greater regulation of automatic weapons and small, easily-concealable weapons like Saturday Night Specials. Hunters have a right to hunt. Legitimate hunting weapons should not be banned at all. But some weapons out there exist only to hunt human beings.

As General Wesley Clark has said: "If you want to use automatic weapons, join the Army. We've got lots of 'em!"

Smart man.

Such a narrow view. What about Americans who use automatic weapons in professional target shooting competitions? You are afraid of what you do not understand and since you have no interests in it, you really don't care if law abiding citizens who do have interests in it as a hobby are restricted from something they like to do.

The anti-gun establishment is always so quick to try and get more laws on the books, rather than enforcing the laws that we have. Sure, regulate the sales and punish people like me, and watch your crime rates with these weapons go unchanged.

Spence, you are always good for a stat, tell me how many "gun control" laws are on the books as of right now.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by robert11273
Such a narrow view. What about Americans who use automatic weapons in professional target shooting competitions? You are afraid of what you do not understand and since you have no interests in it, you really don't care if law abiding citizens who do have interests in it as a hobby are restricted from something they like to do.

The anti-gun establishment is always so quick to try and get more laws on the books, rather than enforcing the laws that we have. Sure, regulate the sales and punish people like me, and watch your crime rates with these weapons go unchanged.

Spence, you are always good for a stat, tell me how many "gun control" laws are on the books as of right now.

I never thought of it that way. Informative post robert...thanks.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by jsarno
I never thought of it that way. Informative post robert...thanks.

Many thanks. Gun control BS is one thing I cannot stand and it nearly makes me a single issue voter.

I would like to draw an analogy if I could. 19 al Qaeda hijackers used box knives to high jack 4 planes and murder innocent Americans. How come no one is screaming for knife control? Or how come no one is calling for the elimination of Boeing 747s? Guns are no more the cause for crime than the planes and knives were.

If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

[jsarno]

absolutely. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Been saying that for years.

Like I said in an earlier post, the only "gun control" I'd like to see is law offenders not being allowed to have them. People that break the law are likely to do so again. Why should good decent human beings that KNOW HOW TO OBEY THE LAW AND HAVE STANDARDS ON HOW TO USE GUNS be punished by the morons of the world. As far as I'm concerned they lose thier right when they break the law.
Same goes for prisoners. Why do they have ANY RIGHTS AT ALL? They gave up those rights when they broke the law...bring the damn chain gangs back, and work their butts off to pay ack their debt to society. Prisoners now don't "pay back their debt" because we tax payers pay for their food and electricity etc and get NOTHING in return. How are they paying their debt when it's costing us decent people money, and all they do is sit on their ass in a cell all day? (sorry for the rant...just saw a parallel.)

[IowaSkinsFan]

No problem. Your views will not be oppressed by me.

[skinsfan44]

Originally posted by Keino
Here is where I differ from my normal Side of the Political Spectrum. I am Totally opposed to gun control...even automatic weapons. Gun Control to date has not stopped gun violence, and Never will. Most Guns used in violent crimes are illegally obtained and not registered anyway. I am not for restrictions on Automatic Weapons. Im sorry, but I just don't trust the police to police me fairly. The Police need to be policed as well. Allowing the Citizens to arm themselves is the only way to do that in my opinion.

If I want to arm myself with an AK47 Assault Rifle, I should be permitted to do so...........

Couldn't agree more.

I know I am going to make some enimes here, that is why I don't like talking political issues on a Redskins board.

To me, gun control is the abilaty to hit your target.

AGibbsGirl, semi-automatic guns are different from automatics. My deer rifle is a semi-automatic, like most deer guns. In a semi-auto, you have to pull the trigger once for every bullet. On auto's, you pull the trigger once, and hold it, and you will fire ALL your bullets at once.

Seebs, I expected an anwser like yours from someone who is from FRANCE. Since this is an issue about American gun control, I think that Americans should be the ones who comment about it.

dukeuch, licensing and registration is not the anwser. Look what happened to England. They passed a law that all gun owners must be licensed and all guns reistered and now, noone has guns because once the goverment knew who and where the gun and gun owners were, they went and had everyone turn them in.

That is excactly what will happen here too.

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by skinsfan44
dukeuch, licensing and registration is not the anwser. Look what happened to England. They passed a law that all gun owners must be licensed and all guns reistered and now, noone has guns because once the goverment knew who and where the gun and gun owners were, they went and had everyone turn them in.

That is excactly what will happen here too.

I'd like a little more info on your assertion here. Sounds a lot like an Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh claim, which we all know has a very high probability of being simplistic or flat out false.

[PennSkinsFan]

I don't support gun control. It's a constitutional right to have them and it is a freedom that needs rpotected. Not sure I garee with automatic weopens being available to whomever, wherever, but if it came down to restricting all guns or no restriction, I would choose no restrictions. I personally do not own a gun, probably never will unless things in society get real bad, but I do support and defend the right of my neighbor to have a gun.

[Spence]

Gun control will not be an issue in the 2004 election. The Democrats have pretty much decided to kill the issue. Howard Dean, who leads in the polls, has an A rating from the NRA. The Dems have just come to the conclusion that gun control is a loser issue for them and they don't want it. That's smart. There are millions of Americans who loathe the self-righteous Bible-thumpers who run the GOP and support progressive economics, but they don't vote Democratic because of the gun issue.

One thing many gun control advocates do not understand is that for many gun owners it is a cultural issue. It is not just about guns. They think if you don't respect their right to own guns, you don't respect anything about them. You don't respect their religion, you don't respect their leisure activities, you don't respect their fondness for NASCAR, etc. All over the country, but especially in the upper Midwest, there are millions of Americans who would support the Democrats except for the guns issue. Fortunately, the Dems have finally figured this out. If you neutralize the gun issue you take an important advantage away from the Republican party. [This is pretty similar to the abortion issue, but there is little danger that the GOP will help themselves by leaving that one alone, so the natural Democratic advantage remains there.]

I don't even want to hear a single Dem talking about gun control and I don't expect any of the national candidates to bring it up much, aside from supporting the same restrictions that Mr Bush supports. That's sound.

Frankly, sitting on a platform halfway up a tree in the middle of the woods when it is 12 degrees above zero, with a rifle across my knees and a thermos of hot coffee between my thighs is not how I desire to spend my leisure time, but for millions of Americans, that is just what they like to do. I say: leave 'em alone and let 'em do it. With the country deeply in debt, 3 million jobs lost during the current administration, non-stop lies about war, and a bleeding wound in Iraq, the Democrats have got more important things to discuss and they should not unnecessarily alienate any voters who agree with them on almost every issue but one. Fortunately, the Dems seem to have finally gotten wise to all this.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

I didnt read everything so pardon me for maybe sounding ignorant.

With that in mind, here it goes. I belive if everyone owned a gun we would never have any problems i mean if some dude walk into a bank with a gun whos gonna win a guy with one gun or fifty people with one gun apiece if we all had guns columbine would have never happend. September 11th wouldnt have happend if those Pilots had whipped out there Pistols and shot the damn terrorists in the head. Thats not all either if we took away right to bare arms just imagine what one bad guy could do if he got a hold of a gun. Think about it whithout guns we wouldnt have a chance.

[Ford]

Originally posted by ArRiNgToN_56
I didnt read everything so pardon me for maybe sounding ignorant.

With that in mind, here it goes. I belive if everyone owned a gun we would never have any problems i mean if some dude walk into a bank with a gun whos gonna win a guy with one gun or fifty people with one gun apiece if we all had guns columbine would have never happend. September 11th wouldnt have happend if those Pilots had whipped out there Pistols and shot the damn terrorists in the head. Thats not all either if we took away right to bare arms just imagine what one bad guy could do if he got a hold of a gun. Think about it whithout guns we wouldnt have a chance.

You don't view that as a disgusting, horribly sad society?

[dukeuch]

Originally posted by ArRiNgToN_56
I didnt read everything so pardon me for maybe sounding ignorant.

With that in mind, here it goes. I belive if everyone owned a gun we would never have any problems i mean if some dude walk into a bank with a gun whos gonna win a guy with one gun or fifty people with one gun apiece if we all had guns columbine would have never happend. September 11th wouldnt have happend if those Pilots had whipped out there Pistols and shot the damn terrorists in the head. Thats not all either if we took away right to bare arms just imagine what one bad guy could do if he got a hold of a gun. Think about it whithout guns we wouldnt have a chance.

Great idea. Give every bigot, jealous husband, disgruntled taxpayer, laid off worker, road raged driver, and HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS (!?, 'cause we all know how responsible and clear thinking they are) unfetterd access to guns. I do not trust every policeman, but at least I know they have training about how/when a situation is dangerous enough to fire, and have training in how to use a gun. By the way, since every person (I assume you mean 18 years or older) now has a gun, are you in any way concerned about the increased access children would then have to weapons by proximity? I do not have access to the stats right now (so I could be wrong), but I seem to remember numerous studies which clearly showed that there are more accidental shootings in households than use of guns for prevention of a crime by a house member. Does this concern you?

[jsarno]

that reminds me of the Simpsons halloween episode (I believe) where Lisa Simpson went to the cemetary and saw one of the head stones that had a "kid"'s wish that there be no guns in the world. Lisa talked the town into it, and all the guns were turned into playground equipment or whatever.
That "kid" was billy the kid, and he rose from the dead with other famous killers and ran the town because there was no one there with guns to stop them.
Of course that's just a cartoon, but it reminded me of what Arrington 56 said.
I like your idea in thoery Arrington56, but these other guys are right. You can't just give a gun to all the morons.
This is why waaaay back I said any law offender should NEVER be allowed to possess a fire arm. They should lose that right when they break the law.

[Spence]

My favorite gun-related joke in "The Simpsons" is in the episode where Homer joins the NRA. The name of the store where Homer buys the gun: "Bloodbath & Beyond." Whatever your views, that's a classic.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

This might be off-topic but, frankly i dont care.

Was i the only one who was disapointed with the latest "Treehouse of Horror" I've come to expect more from Groening. It wasnt bad but it defenetly wasnt there best (i did like the chase seen. Even though it was advertised alot)

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Spence
My favorite gun-related joke in "The Simpsons" is in the episode where Homer joins the NRA. The name of the store where Homer buys the gun: "Bloodbath & Beyond." Whatever your views, that's a classic.

Yeah...that is a classic. Gotta love the simsons.

Not related, but my favorite comment that the Simpsons ever said was "Alcohol, the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems". That still cracks me up just to think about it.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by ArRiNgToN_56
This might be off-topic but, frankly i dont care.

Was i the only one who was disapointed with the latest "Treehouse of Horror" I've come to expect more from Groening. It wasnt bad but it defenetly wasnt there best (i did like the chase seen. Even though it was advertised alot)

That is the problem with a lot of the simpsons now, they are advertised CONSTANTLY...especially during NFC games. I try to change the channel or mute it at least so it's fresh to me when I watch. I did enjoy the episode, but for the past 3 years or so the Simpsons have declined. After all, they have been aroundsince 89, it's hard to come up with witty humor every single year for well over a decade.

[Spence]

Originally posted by ArRiNgToN_56
This might be off-topic but, frankly i dont care.

Was i the only one who was disapointed with the latest "Treehouse of Horror" I've come to expect more from Groening. It wasnt bad but it defenetly wasnt there best (i did like the chase seen. Even though it was advertised alot) I agree. It was not up to the standards of previous Halloween episodes. I look forward to it every year and made a point of seeing it this year even though I was on mini-vacation in Vermont. I was disappointed.