Circle the wagons and Fire Blache!

[cactusjack]

The guy is worthless. He gets upset when someone points out the lack of pass rush. "We were 4th in defense! You answer the question" Hello McFly you also lost 10 games last year including 6 of the last 8. A pass rush is mandatory in this league. If a QB has 4 to 5 seconds to read the field, he will find a open target. A 10 yard cushion on a 3rd and short is giving away a 1st down. Which leads to a deficit in T.O.P. . Sundays game was lost on the defensive side of the ball. By poor coaching and even worse playcalling. When T.O.P is lopsided you lose. DE's are DE's not OLB esp ones who never played OLB in college. DL in their mid thirties have no business playing much less starting in the NFL.

Its time that the loyal Redskin fans start bringing the fire Blache signs to games!! This guy has to go! Maybe a stadium full of these type of signs will open someones eyes!

I guess the lone bright spot is Shanny will more than likely bring in a new DC, However the Denver defense was never a strong point while he was there. Why Marty was shoved out the door still boggles the mind. We won 8 games with Tony Banks as our QB. Tony Frickin Banks!

[smoot]

While i agree that Blache shouldn't be coaching next year, we didn't lose 10 games last year and haven't since 2006

[joethefan]

One thing I don't understand is that we coach as if we don't pay attention to what other teams do in the league. I think the front office has gotten so use to trying to run a team the way it feels is right as opposed to the regular formulas that work in the league (owner, GM coach), it spills into the coaching staff that believes pressure isn't needed, bump and run isn't needed, running the ball, play action, making in-game adjustments, going with what is working during the game, scouting other teams, attacking weaknesses, (regular norms of the league)

When you knock a reciever off his route, it forces the QB to have to improvise, thus giving the DLINE more opportunities to create sacks and turnovers...thats straight "little league".

But to not recognize it is a crime...Now that Blache has set the "Don't call me out" tone, now reporters are scared to ask him questions because of his nasty response to Trevor Mattish. He still needs to be called out, this is rediculous....why have all these weapons and you don't use them.

They can't line Marko Mitchell up inside the 20 and throw the fade?...At least show me that you've been paying attention in preseason...

[Skins3]

Here we go already with the Fire Blache/Defense is the reason we lost chants WOW! I agree that this defense would be #1 with anyone else but Blache as DC. The problem this game is the offense scored just as many TD's as they gave the Giants Defense. So in theory you want a shut out from the defense every game to cover for the offense's inept ability to put points on the board without giving points to the other team.

Final Score 17-23 7 points give to the giants by campbell 7(who had 4-5 seconds to throw before standing like a statue 8 yds deep in the pocket never sensing a rush and stepping up into the pocket that was wide open) without the offense giving TD's to the Giants Final Score 17-16

I cant stand Blache and hate the defense that we run but at this point in time they are the best part of the team right now.

on offense Zorn needs to turn ove play calling to someone else or we need to run the no huddle all the time and let campbell call his own plays.

[joethefan]

Here we go already with the Fire Blache/Defense is the reason we lost chants WOW! I agree that this defense would be #1 with anyone else but Blache as DC. The problem this game is the offense scored just as many TD's as they gave the Giants Defense. So in theory you want a shut out from the defense every game to cover for the offense's inept ability to put points on the board without giving points to the other team.

Final Score 17-23 7 points give to the giants by campbell 7(who had 4-5 seconds to throw before standing like a statue 8 yds deep in the pocket never sensing a rush and stepping up into the pocket that was wide open) without the offense giving TD's to the Giants Final Score 17-16

I cant stand Blache and hate the defense that we run but at this point in time they are the best part of the team right now.

on offense Zorn needs to turn ove play calling to someone else or we need to run the no huddle all the time and let campbell call his own plays.

Well I will tell you this, you are right about the offense's inept, but it seems might funny how you only point out campbell's mistake, but you fail to point out Portis lack of vision on some run plays. Also you act like on the play where th ball was stripped that Jason had all day to throw, it saw Jason taking a 5 step drop, pumping the ball once and getting ready to throw it. Did you question why did samuels allow Osi to get around him?

If we are going to allow teams to throw 7-10 out's while allowing 12 yard cushions, then why play defense at all....IMO

[smoak]

I'm couching any thoughts of blood letting until after the season (which may not take 16 games) b/c it is just counter productive to dwell on it.

[BurgundyNGold]

Well I will tell you this, you are right about the offense's inept, but it seems might funny how you only point out campbell's mistake, but you fail to point out Portis lack of vision on some run plays. Also you act like on the play where th ball was stripped that Jason had all day to throw, it saw Jason taking a 5 step drop, pumping the ball once and getting ready to throw it. Did you question why did samuels allow Osi to get around him?

If we are going to allow teams to throw 7-10 out's while allowing 12 yard cushions, then why play defense at all....IMO
There was a play where Portis ran and pushed into the back of Devin Thomas off the left side that left me yelling at him. Why run into a guy when there is a hole for 5 or 10 more yards just to your right? It's like he was looking to hit Thomas instead of making the most yards possible. Terrible vision.

[Patrick]

D allowed 1 td and 3 fgs .......... IF Campbell doesn't lose the ball that's returned for a td, the score is 17-16 Washington ..... interesting.
The D's goal should be to limited the other team to less than 20 points.
The O's goal should be to score more than 20 points.
The defense could have played better on Sunday no doubt BUT the game was lost by the Offense. If you don't believe that you're just fooling yourself.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I disgree. Think we should keep Blache around to coach two games a year against the Eagles. j/k

Seriously though, the ungodly overreaction this week is really getting out of hand.

Blache's defense allowed 16 points to a pretty good offense. And 7 of those points were strictly because Fred Smoot and DeAngelo Hall can't tackle some dude named Manningham even when he is pinned against the sideline.

To me, this loss goes on the offense because they gave up a touchdown, didn't score enough points, and left their defense on the field too long.

[dj_stouty]

Well I will tell you this, you are right about the offense's inept, but it seems might funny how you only point out campbell's mistake, but you fail to point out Portis lack of vision on some run plays. Also you act like on the play where th ball was stripped that Jason had all day to throw, it saw Jason taking a 5 step drop, pumping the ball once and getting ready to throw it. Did you question why did samuels allow Osi to get around him?

If we are going to allow teams to throw 7-10 out's while allowing 12 yard cushions, then why play defense at all....IMO

Deja Vu...

[MONK_in_HOF]

I don't like Blatche either, but the defense being ranked 4th last year will keep him safe through the season. Then it will likely be lather, rinse, repeat as I expect a new coaching regime next season.

[Skaggsrules]

Well I will tell you this, you are right about the offense's inept, but it seems might funny how you only point out campbell's mistake, but you fail to point out Portis lack of vision on some run plays. Also you act like on the play where th ball was stripped that Jason had all day to throw, it saw Jason taking a 5 step drop, pumping the ball once and getting ready to throw it. Did you question why did samuels allow Osi to get around him?

If we are going to allow teams to throw 7-10 out's while allowing 12 yard cushions, then why play defense at all....IMO

Jason steps up in the pocket, Osi is pushed out of the play, Samuels did what he could do against a speed rusher that wants to run around the o-line. Jason is supposed to feel the pressure, step up then make a decision, protection (though haven't watched a replay yet) was good on that play

[BurgundyNGold]

I disgree. Think we should keep Blache around to coach two games a year against the Eagles. j/k

Seriously though, the ungodly overreaction this week is really getting out of hand.

Blache's defense allowed 16 points to a pretty good offense. And 7 of those points were strictly because Fred Smoot and DeAngelo Hall can't tackle some dude named Manningham even when he is pinned against the sideline.

To me, this loss goes on the offense because they gave up a touchdown, didn't score enough points, and left their defense on the field too long.
Of course it does.

Look, I'm not saying that the offense wasn't also putrid (10 points? Come on!) but let's put this into perspective. 90% of the Gints passing plays were underneath routes and comebacks for 7-15 yards. They were there ALL day. There was NO pressure and NO blitzing. WTF?

At some point, you have to think that a brain dead person would blip to life enough to make a change there. Instead, you see a ragged defense once again falling down in the 4th quarter.

Check out the Gints drives:


Q1
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12 (7:19) FG
10 (4:58) DOWNS
Q2
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6 (3:10) TD
8 (4:30) FUMBLE
1 (0:21) EOH
Q3
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5 (2:27) PUNT
2 (0:55) INT
Q4
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8 (4:47) FG (after Redskins FG)
10 (6:11) FG
3 (1:30) EOG



There were 5 drives of 8 plays or more and 3 drives of 10 plays or more. A good -- or even moderately effective -- defense does not do that. It simply cannot.

Look at the abuse in the 4th quarter. This is when you need the defense to make a stop. Instead, it looks like they were on the field for the vast majority of the quarter. One blitz can break that chain. One series of press coverage to change the dynamic. Hell, choose to do something, anything different. Don't keep doing the same thing that has gotten you dominated both physically and in TOP. The other team will just run out the clock with a... well, about a 10 play 6:11 drive.

This defense sucks. It can't tackle, it can't get pressure and it plays timid. Which would be great if this was 1973.

Blache needs to go.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Well I will tell you this, you are right about the offense's inept, but it seems might funny how you only point out campbell's mistake, but you fail to point out Portis lack of vision on some run plays. Also you act like on the play where th ball was stripped that Jason had all day to throw, it saw Jason taking a 5 step drop, pumping the ball once and getting ready to throw it. Did you question why did samuels allow Osi to get around him?

If we are going to allow teams to throw 7-10 out's while allowing 12 yard cushions, then why play defense at all....IMO

I agree on Portis, as he still tends to run right up the back of his players too often. Maybe that is due to no holes, maybe lack of vision, maybe lack of patience, not sure.

I disagree with blaming Samuels on the play where Campbell was stripped. There was a huge pocket to step into.

[jaylen]

I'd be all for firing Blache but the local media would hyperventilate and act as if we fired Lombardi or someone. They are so in the tank with Blache and his schtick its frustrating.

Blache is being woefully unfair to his players. He's basically misusing them and forcing them to have to answer really tough and dumb questions I wonder who the 1st player on defense who is gonna snap and yell scheme.

Dhall fell on his sword this week but he's being asked to do things he's not gonna succeed at doing.

And poor Orakpo how many games till we hear whats wrong with him talk. Being forced to learn a totally new position that requires different body mechanics at the NFL level is just amazingly difficult. I'd imagine its messing up his ability to just pass rush because he's not gonna play mentally free but always thinking even doing the thing he does best. Blache has found a way to screw up a good talent.

I'm just amazed how many times as a Skins fan we've ended up in this spot with coaches who are doing unorthodox things dumb things that are readily apparent stupid and unproductive.

[akhhorus]

Its amazing that anyone can defend Blache after the last 17 games of his defense.

[Moe]

Dhall fell on his sword this week but he's being asked to do things he's not gonna succeed at doing.


Despite a tough outing, I was pleased to see DeLo exhibit some maturity in being open and accountable about his performance. It seems that his talk of 'getting it' might hold some truth.

Back on topic, I don't think it's disigenuous to criticize Blache regardless of what the offense did/didn't do. There's a pattern here and even with several shiny new (expensive) toys, the results are similar. To their credit, they did get two turnovers in a single game, which is a small positive, but the lack of consistent pressure, 10 yard cushions, inability to close out on 3rd downs and on, still persist. It's one game and ideally they will improve, but Blache deserves this type of criticism.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I'd be all for firing Blache but the local media would hyperventilate and act as if we fired Lombardi or someone. They are so in the tank with Blache and his schtick its frustrating.

Blache is being woefully unfair to his players. He's basically misusing them and forcing them to have to answer really tough and dumb questions I wonder who the 1st player on defense who is gonna snap and yell scheme.

Dhall fell on his sword this week but he's being asked to do things he's not gonna succeed at doing.

And poor Orakpo how many games till we hear whats wrong with him talk. Being forced to learn a totally new position that requires different body mechanics at the NFL level is just amazingly difficult. I'd imagine its messing up his ability to just pass rush because he's not gonna play mentally free but always thinking even doing the thing he does best. Blache has found a way to screw up a good talent.

I'm just amazed how many times as a Skins fan we've ended up in this spot with coaches who are doing unorthodox things dumb things that are readily apparent stupid and unproductive.

Your overall points are well taken. But Hall had trouble covering and tackling. Those are areas he should be able to succeed.

[AustinSkin]

I miss Petitbon

[Gravy]

Its amazing that anyone can defend Blache after the last 17 games of his defense.

C'mon Akh...#4 defense...:moon2:

My 6 y.o. son asked me why Redskins play so far away from the "blue guys" when he was taught to stay on his man...MY 6 Y.O. SAID, "won't that make it easy for the blue guys daddy to catch the ball and go more forward"...he's 6, but he "gets it"

[shally]

The guy is worthless. He gets upset when someone points out the lack of pass rush. "We were 4th in defense! You answer the question" Hello McFly you also lost 10 games last year including 6 of the last 8. A pass rush is mandatory in this league. If a QB has 4 to 5 seconds to read the field, he will find a open target. A 10 yard cushion on a 3rd and short is giving away a 1st down. Which leads to a deficit in T.O.P. . Sundays game was lost on the defensive side of the ball. By poor coaching and even worse playcalling. When T.O.P is lopsided you lose. DE's are DE's not OLB esp ones who never played OLB in college. DL in their mid thirties have no business playing much less starting in the NFL.

Its time that the loyal Redskin fans start bringing the fire Blache signs to games!! This guy has to go! Maybe a stadium full of these type of signs will open someones eyes!

I guess the lone bright spot is Shanny will more than likely bring in a new DC, However the Denver defense was never a strong point while he was there. Why Marty was shoved out the door still boggles the mind. We won 8 games with Tony Banks as our QB. Tony Frickin Banks!

blache is an idiot, but unlike zorn, snyder likes him. he isnt going anywhere until next year at the earliest.

in fact, if zorn gets fired during the season, my guess is that blache is offerred the interim position

[shally]

Its amazing that anyone can defend Blache after the last 17 games of his defense.

the problem is that zorn is SO incompetent that he acts as a lightning rod
siphoning off valid criticism that should go to blache

[NamVet4]

blache is an idiot, but unlike Zorn, Snyder likes him. he isn't going anywhere until next year at the earliest.

in fact, if Zorn gets fired during the season, my guess is that Blache is offered the interim position

Bite your tongue~ !

[Hr fan]

blache is an idiot, but unlike zorn, snyder likes him. he isnt going anywhere until next year at the earliest.

in fact, if zorn gets fired during the season, my guess is that blache is offerred the interim position

+1. Blache has said for a decade that he doesn't believe in a pass rush or an agressive defense. Snyder hired him first after offing Williams. Every HC candidate knew before their interview that Blache was a fact and could go around him to Snyderatto. More baffling, Snyderatto clearly want a pass rush (look at keeping Bruce Smith when he clearly had lost it, and look at the price for Jason Taylor and Albert Haynesworth and Brian Orakpo) while doing NOTHING to control a coach who clearly states that he doesn't care what the talent he is given is capable of, he only cares that any player that he allows to play carry out his schemes exactly - and his schemes are self-admittedly NO PR!!!

Who is clueless? Certainly not the OCs around the league who regularly pick us apart because there is NO surprise about the Blache defense. It's rope-a-dope folks, and we ain't Ali!

And we were suprised that NO even remotely competent HC wanted even an intereview.

And we fans will be surprised that no competent HC will consider the Redskins when, ineviutably, Zorn is fired.

[shally]

+1. Blache has said for a decade that he doesn't believe in a pass rush or an agressive defense. Snyder hired him first after offing Williams. Every HC candidate knew before their interview that Blache was a fact and could go around him to Snyderatto. More baffling, Snyderatto clearly want a pass rush (look at keeping Bruce Smith when he clearly had lost it, and look at the price for Jason Taylor and Albert Haynesworth and Brian Orakpo) while doing NOTHING to control a coach who clearly states that he doesn't care what the talent he is given is capable of, he only cares that any player that he allows to play carry out his schemes exactly - and his schemes are self-admittedly NO PR!!!

Who is clueless? Certainly not the OCs around the league who regularly pick us apart because there is NO surprise about the Blache defense. It's rope-a-dope folks, and we ain't Ali!

And we were suprised that NO even remotely competent HC wanted even an intereview.

And we fans will be surprised that no competent HC will consider the Redskins when, ineviutably, Zorn is fired.
no. when zorn is fired, and i think he WILL be fired this year, expect that Blache will get the remainder of the season as interim, but he is gone after this year.
he is too old for consideration of a permanent position, and Snyderrato will not be foolish enough to think they can get a name coach who will take blache and all his warts

[Skinz4lyfe]

I've been on the "fire Blache" kick for awhile. I say we won't improve until we clean house but time will tell. Nevertheless, Blache has proven that he isn't a good D-coordinator. We simply cannot get off the field on 3rd down. Sound familiar? I don't know if anybody else heard Zorn's interview yesterday but he eluded to the fact that when the DBs were more aggressive we were more successful on D. Really?!? Maybe attacking the receivers of a team that is missing their starters from the previous year isn't such a bad idea. It seems like conventional wisdom to me. We have a pretty talented defense and they're currently being wasted by the ineptitude of our coaching staff.

[Fathead]

Blache is gone as soon as Shanahan is officially announced.

[shally]

Blache is gone as soon as Shanahan is officially announced.

+1

totally agree

[BigCountry]

Not that it'll happen and I usually never think it's a good idea to fire a cordinator during the season but we're not going anywhere with Blache and we have Jerry Gray on our staff who is one of the most underrated coaches in the league. Why can't Snyder be irrational when he actually needs to.

[akhhorus]

Not that it'll happen and I usually never think it's a good idea to fire a cordinator during the season but we're not going anywhere with Blache and we have Jerry Gray on our staff who is one of the most underrated coaches in the league. Why can't Snyder be irrational when he actually needs to.

It worked last year with San Diego. Cotrell was killing their 3-4, they canned him and replaced him with Ron Rivera.

[Hr fan]

It worked last year with San Diego. Cotrell was killing their 3-4, they canned him and replaced him with Ron Rivera.

I believe SD has a GM. We have a toady.

[BigCountry]

I believe SD has a GM. We have a toady.

The only glimmer of hope we have is that Snyder loses patience seeing his 9 figure defense in the double digit part of the rankings.

[Skins3]

I am by no means defending anyone on this team except HUNTER SMITH.

The Campbell Fumble Touchdown IMO was 90% Campbell's fault and 10% Samuals fault Campbel was 8 yds behind the line of scrimmage with 8 yds of room to step up into the pocket.

I wish Blache gone as well as the next guy maybe even more there is 4 players on this entire 53 man roster playing to their strength Hansworth, Hunter Smith, Randle El now that he is in the slot and London Flecther. The entire coaching staff has no clue how to use any other player on this team to that players strength. This is the biggest problem with having Snyderratto as the dillweed picking the players and the coaches thinking they are so smart that no matter who is in their SCHEME it will succeed (aka Steve Spurrier)

[VegasSkinsFan]

blache is an idiot, but unlike zorn, snyder likes him. he isnt going anywhere until next year at the earliest.

in fact, if zorn gets fired during the season, my guess is that blache is offerred the interim position

If thats the case...get ready to see JC in a 15 yd deep shotgun, with CP 10 yds behind JC haha......idiots

[firehawk157]

I know nobody wants to hear this, but I remember Zorn saying that they were planning on playing the CBs closer to the LOS. Maybe that means they'll actually line up in Fedex instead of M&T Bank (Baltimore)?

[shally]

I believe SD has a GM. We have a toady.

smith is a toady, but is a very good judge of talent

[shally]

I know nobody wants to hear this, but I remember Zorn saying that they were planning on playing the CBs closer to the LOS. Maybe that means they'll actually line up in Fedex instead of M&T Bank (Baltimore)?

is Zorn actually head coach and in charge of the defense ?? you could fool me...reminds me of when buddy ryan was DC and coldcocked kevin gilbride...lol

[akhhorus]

I know nobody wants to hear this, but I remember Zorn saying that they were planning on playing the CBs closer to the LOS. Maybe that means they'll actually line up in Fedex instead of M&T Bank (Baltimore)?

Well, obviously that ain't happening lol.

[firehawk157]

is Zorn actually head coach and in charge of the defense ?? you could fool me...reminds me of when buddy ryan was DC and coldcocked kevin gilbride...lol

He probably heard it from Blanche but if he ever wants to be a head coach (in truth), he needs to be able to tell Blanche to play his CBs closer to the LOS.

[shally]

He probably heard it from Blanche but if he ever wants to be a head coach (in truth), he needs to be able to tell Blanche to play his CBs closer to the LOS.

agree. grow a pair !! when you are in command, COMMAND !!

[Skins3]

Just watched redskin nation and a fan emailed or texted in do they have a tackling dummy at the practice field that smoot hall and landry can spend all day practicing on and Zorns reaction was priceless.

[MDBluefinCrab]

You can hire and fire all the coaches you want but as long as Danny Snyder is the owner of the Redskins, we will have this same revolving door every other year.
A good owner hires people who know football, who in turn, hire good coaches. We do not have a good owner. Simple as that.

[shally]

You can hire and fire all the coaches you want but as long as Danny Snyder is the owner of the Redskins, we will have this same revolving door every other year.
A good owner hires people who know football, who in turn, hire good coaches. We do not have a good owner. Simple as that.

totally agree.. but he will either grow as an owner, or we will be an embarrassment for the next decade.. at some point he will want to win more than he will want to micro-manage.. my guess it comes after this season

[bigmike7914]

One thing I don't understand is that we coach as if we don't pay attention to what other teams do in the league. I think the front office has gotten so use to trying to run a team the way it feels is right as opposed to the regular formulas that work in the league (owner, GM coach), it spills into the coaching staff that believes pressure isn't needed, bump and run isn't needed, running the ball, play action, making in-game adjustments, going with what is working during the game, scouting other teams, attacking weaknesses, (regular norms of the league)

When you knock a reciever off his route, it forces the QB to have to improvise, thus giving the DLINE more opportunities to create sacks and turnovers...thats straight "little league".

But to not recognize it is a crime...Now that Blache has set the "Don't call me out" tone, now reporters are scared to ask him questions because of his nasty response to Trevor Mattish. He still needs to be called out, this is rediculous....why have all these weapons and you don't use them.

They can't line Marko Mitchell up inside the 20 and throw the fade?...At least show me that you've been paying attention in preseason...I'm with you brother, As a Redskins fan I am sick and tired of looking at football on Sundays asking myself why aren't we making adjustments from week to week?, we have been doing the same defensive scheme every game since week one last year. It is clear that Blache is set in his ways and no one is there to hold him accountable for what is going on every Sunday, I say fire this guy right now and promote Jerry Gray to the DC position and whether we make the playoffs or not fire Zorn I'm sick of him making excuses every week.:readme:

[bigmike7914]

Well, obviously that ain't happening lol.
Zorn and Blache are pathetic two of the worst game planners in NFL history,
I'll rather have Jim Mora sr. as head coach at least he'll come out and tell you where the team is going "Playoffs were lucky if we win a game."

[shally]

Zorn and Blache are pathetic two of the worst game planners in NFL history,
I'll rather have Jim Mora sr. as head coach at least he'll come out and tell you where the team is going "Playoffs were lucky if we win a game."

mora was an underrated coach.. guys played for him, and he wouldnt put up with
lazy effort by his players..