Article from Larry Weisman on redskins.com

[oldskinfan]

This guy's paycheck is signed by Snyder, but he didn't pull any punches on this one.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Break_Down_In_the_Motor_City_60635.jsp

"No brains, no heart, no courage."

"Blitz a rookie quarterback? Nah. Let him sit in the pocket and read, read, read. Tackle much? No, that would be rude in the other guy’s stadium. Score? Please. At halftime, the Redskins had gone 91 minutes and 30 seconds of NFL play without scoring a touchdown."

Boy you have to be really bad for the homers to bash you.

[JasonCampbell]

Well, Weisman really isn't a homer, just a guy that writes for the team. He isn't Mouthpiece Michael.

[smoak]

That is a sure sign there will be blood.

[firehawk157]

That is a sure sign there will be blood.
I'd be surprised if Cerrato makes it to next game. That's one move that Snyder could make that would bring HOPE back to the area, even if it doesn't win a single game this season.

[csquared]

That is a sure sign there will be blood.

Yea, The Danny will fire Weisman.

[JasonCampbell]

I'd be surprised if Cerrato makes it to next game. That's one move that Snyder could make that would bring HOPE back to the area, even if it doesn't win a single game this season.

Hmmm...that is actually a really good point. Unfortunately I doubt any GM candidates would service Snyder as well as Bug Eye's does.

[firehawk157]

Hmmm...that is actually a really good point. Unfortunately I doubt any GM candidates would service Snyder as well as Bug Eye's does.
Man servants don't have to make football decisions you know. In other news, stocks for the makers of knee-pads have gone up 25%...

[JasonCampbell]

Man servants don't have to make football decisions you know. In other news, stocks for the makers of knee-pads have gone up 25%...

I've heard Vinny can suck a golf ball through a garden hose...unless you know any man servants that can do that, Vinny isn't going anywhere.

[coffdogg]

This guy's paycheck is signed by Snyder, but he didn't pull any punches on this one.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Break_Down_In_the_Motor_City_60635.jsp

"No brains, no heart, no courage."

"Blitz a rookie quarterback? Nah. Let him sit in the pocket and read, read, read. Tackle much? No, that would be rude in the other guy’s stadium. Score? Please. At halftime, the Redskins had gone 91 minutes and 30 seconds of NFL play without scoring a touchdown."

Boy you have to be really bad for the homers to bash you.I am glad that he is not sucking Sndyers butt and is actually speaking for the fans. This is UNACCEPTABLE

[oldskinfan]

Here goes chemistry ;-)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AgywQRlOQxpxINDNtFZAkuFDubYF?gid=200909 27008

“You either want it or you don’t. A lot of these guys don’t want it,” Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall(notes) said. “They want the other stuff.”

[greatest2]

few grammatical mistakes, and the sense of utter rage from a disappointed fan makes me think 1 of 2 things.

Either this wasn't passed through the normal channels, meaning the screws are coming lose on a few of the people in the organization (as it should be).

Or it was passed through the normal channels, and there are more then just a few people who are pissed about this.



It is so hard for me to say this, but this loss may be for the long term benefit of the organization. I can see a tremendous overhaul not just in personnel (which would be the same old same old), but a overhaul of how the team is run (snyder and cerrato).

We go 4-12 and i bet we get a gm and a head coach. Vinny goes bye bye, and snyder moves into the role he should have had the whole time. Sign the checks and shut up.

we go 7-9 - 10-6. and you get more of the same. wheel spinning in mediocrity.




tough to swallow. but if this leads to a gm, and shanny/holmgren. and some stability from the GM slot. we might look back at this loss as the turning point in this organizations history.



That being said, the more realistic thing is they hire shanny, and keep cerrato and snyder continues to influence everything. and we face another 5 years of average at best football.

[Biggie]

I never thought I would see anything like that on Redskins.com. Good for him.

[firehawk157]

few grammatical mistakes, and the sense of utter rage from a disappointed fan makes me think 1 of 2 things.

Either this wasn't passed through the normal channels, meaning the screws are coming lose on a few of the people in the organization (as it should be).

Or it was passed through the normal channels, and there are more then just a few people who are pissed about this.



It is so hard for me to say this, but this loss may be for the long term benefit of the organization. I can see a tremendous overhaul not just in personnel (which would be the same old same old), but a overhaul of how the team is run (snyder and cerrato).

We go 4-12 and i bet we get a gm and a head coach. Vinny goes bye bye, and snyder moves into the role he should have had the whole time. Sign the checks and shut up.

we go 7-9 - 10-6. and you get more of the same. wheel spinning in mediocrity.




tough to swallow. but if this leads to a gm, and shanny/holmgren. and some stability from the GM slot. we might look back at this loss as the turning point in this organizations history.



That being said, the more realistic thing is they hire shanny, and keep cerrato and snyder continues to influence everything. and we face another 5 years of average at best football.
I really don't think so. Snyder's first priority is on maintaining the revenue stream. The only thing that fans would really buy as a true change at this point would be an honest to god GM. Firing Cerrato ensures a couple more seasons of ticket/concession sales.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Here goes chemistry ;-)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AgywQRlOQxpxINDNtFZAkuFDubYF?gid=200909 27008

“You either want it or you don’t. A lot of these guys don’t want it,” Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall(notes) said. “They want the other stuff.”
Interesting quote from DHall but I would have pegged him to be a guy who wants th other stuff (at least prior to this year).

[JasonCampbell]

Interesting quote from DHall but I would have pegged him to be a guy who wants th other stuff (at least prior to this year).

To me, Hall comes off as the guy trying WAY too hard to show that he doesn't want those other things, but really does.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/skinsloselions09a.jpg
snyder looks pissed!

[JasonCampbell]

I was really hoping Fox showed Snyder right after the loss when they were showing the Ford family. Needless to say, they didn't.

[shally]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/skinsloselions09a.jpg
snyder looks pissed!

where is TomKat ???

[smoak]

To me, Hall comes off as the guy trying WAY too hard to show that he doesn't want those other things, but really does.

Agree. I wonder if any of them care???

[GenMgr]

I was really hoping Fox showed Snyder right after the loss when they were showing the Ford family. Needless to say, they didn't.

The Yahoo Sports article with the Hall quote stated that a reporter tried to get to Snyder to ask a few questions but was turned away by Security.

[NamVet4]

Wait till you see the look when he starts to the $$$$ numbers. To those of you going to the next home game, you're screwed! You paid for the tickets. So.... Go and have a hell of a good time tailgating with friends in the cheapest lot you can find. Bring your own food and beverages and talk about the good Ole times!
AND when you go into the stadium, DON'T BUY A DAMN THING!
Daniel Snyder needs to see his bottom line being screwed with! (Much to our dismay! Sad ~)

[JasonCampbell]

The Yahoo Sports article with the Hall quote stated that a reporter tried to get to Snyder to ask a few questions but was turned away by Security.

Not surprised. I did think back to that "Beat Philly, beat Dallas" episode he had last year..."Barely beat the Rams, lost to Lions" :)

[greatest2]

the man wants to win, alot better then other owners in the league.

sad thing is he just doesn't know how. I can't believe a man as smart as him(he did buy the redskins at a ridiculously young age), can't see you need FOOTBALL PEOPLE MAKING FOOTBALL DECISIONS. Why he doesn't just mimic the steelers, the pats, or the Redskins of old, or any other franchise that has had sustained success and HIRE A GOOD GM, AND LET HIM DO HIS THING is jus beyond me.

[JasonCampbell]

the man wants to win, alot better then other owners in the league.

sad thing is he just doesn't know how. I can't believe a man as smart as him(he did buy the redskins at a ridiculously young age), can't see you need FOOTBALL PEOPLE MAKING FOOTBALL DECISIONS. Why he doesn't just mimic the steelers, the pats, or the Redskins of old, or any other franchise that has had sustained success and HIRE A GOOD GM, AND LET HIM DO HIS THING is jus beyond me.

The difference is those owners really don't want to be involved in the football operations of their organizations. Snyder does.

[NamVet4]

The red zone nightmare deflated the entire team, which simply stopped thinking, tackling and playing as if it mattered.

This nightmare will repeat itself for the entire season unless there is a radical change in the coaching staff and the active players roster.

[wewantdallas]

That is an amazing piece by Weismann. He definitely is part of the Redskins Broadcast Network, not just some freelancer, make no mistake about that. He has to deal with the coach and players every week. So for him to call them out like that, basically call them gutless and cowards, is really, really impressive and shows he's got some cajones. I've met the guy and he's a real nice man, so much so that this piece was sort of shocking to me in its anger.

But man, truer words have not been spoken about this team. I hope they read it. Not that it'll make much difference.

[oldskinfan]

I am watching Battlestar Galactica series (best sci-fi drama ever) and a recurring saying comes to mind that applies to the Skins...

"This has all happened before, and it will all happen again".

[MoonshineDelight]

I don't think this tone from Redskins.com should be ignored.. The State owned site has had a pollyanna view of things since they started. IMO this might be the "tell" that heads are about to roll.

[RoanokeSkin]

That is an amazing piece by Weismann. He definitely is part of the Redskins Broadcast Network, not just some freelancer, make no mistake about that. He has to deal with the coach and players every week. So for him to call them out like that, basically call them gutless and cowards, is really, really impressive and shows he's got some cajones. I've met the guy and he's a real nice man, so much so that this piece was sort of shocking to me in its anger.

But man, truer words have not been spoken about this team. I hope they read it. Not that it'll make much difference.

Agree 100%. Great article and 100% true. There isn't a player or coach who could argue with one thing he said.

[oldskinfan]

Matt Terl, the redskins.com blogger has the same sentiment, in fewer words if not as eloquently....

http://blog.redskins.com/

"I'll be honest: I'm finding it hard to come up with many articulate, printable
'thoughts' about this one.

I think this was a catastrophically bad loss for team that really needed a win -- even over a Lions team that wasn't highly regarded."

[TrueOracle]

the man wants to win, alot better then other owners in the league.

sad thing is he just doesn't know how. I can't believe a man as smart as him(he did buy the redskins at a ridiculously young age), can't see you need FOOTBALL PEOPLE MAKING FOOTBALL DECISIONS. Why he doesn't just mimic the steelers, the pats, or the Redskins of old, or any other franchise that has had sustained success and HIRE A GOOD GM, AND LET HIM DO HIS THING is jus beyond me.

Lesson #2: Don't equate money with smarts. Luck, sure. Persistence, perhaps. Brainpower, uh... no. Furthermore, earning in one business doesn't mean you know every business either.

[LATrueRedskin]

Damn, son straight clowned the Redskins.

[nicefellow31]

One thing that I got out of the article is this quote from Zorn

The Redskins, if you can believe this, gagged on a fourth-and-1 run from the Lions 1-yard line in the first quarter and might just as well have gone home then. The red zone nightmare deflated the entire team, which simply stopped thinking, tackling and playing as if it mattered.

“I didn’t believe, from my standpoint, that three points was going to lose the game for us,” Zorn said.


If that was the case, why was he so concerned about Hanson kicking a 50 yard field goal? Apparently he was worried about three points losing the game and elected to accept the penalty, pushed the Lions back, and we all saw what happened.

Also this

“Give their staff credit,” Blache said. “They knew were our strengths were and where our weaknesses were. If you looked at the tape, you understood this football team is very capable.”



Why doesn't this staff know the strengths and weaknesses of the opponents? Don't we watch video too?



Hmmm...that is actually a really good point. Unfortunately I doubt any GM candidates would service Snyder as well as Bug Eye's does.

Vinnie Cerrato aka Waylon Smithers

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/7/0/B/smithers.jpg

[Hr fan]

That is an amazing piece by Weismann. He definitely is part of the Redskins Broadcast Network, not just some freelancer, make no mistake about that. He has to deal with the coach and players every week. So for him to call them out like that, basically call them gutless and cowards, is really, really impressive and shows he's got some cajones. I've met the guy and he's a real nice man, so much so that this piece was sort of shocking to me in its anger.

But man, truer words have not been spoken about this team. I hope they read it. Not that it'll make much difference.

+1.

To oldskinfan, thanks for the links, especially Weisman.

The article shows rare journalistic integrity in the midst of snyder's control the media campaign. Don't know who edits the stuff that is posted on the site, but either Weisman and the editor are toast or snyder has made a radical decision.

Re Hall's comment, postgame Haynesworth echoed it, saying that the D was not a team, just a group of individuals (on redskins insider).

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I am watching Battlestar Galactica series (best sci-fi drama ever) and a recurring saying comes to mind that applies to the Skins...

"This has all happened before, and it will all happen again".

I'm wondering what the new flavor of Kool Aid will be next year. Will it be Cowher Power Grape, Shanny Ego Lemon or Gruden Sneer Cherry?

[Hr fan]

I'm wondering what the new flavor of Kool Aid will be next year. Will it be Cowher Power Grape, Shanny Ego Lemon or Gruden Sneer Cherry?

None of which will impact results, only the bottom line.

[Redskinmayhem]

To me, Hall comes off as the guy trying WAY too hard to show that he doesn't want those other things, but really does.

yea sort of. It goes completely against his previously earned reputation. I'm not sure if it's genuine or not.

[shane88]

where is TomKat ???

Can't see him but he's right there under the "Snyder" right next to Cerrato.

[Skaggsrules]

As a fan of competition in general, I can deal with a lose, as bad as this one, I could deal with it, IF, I felt that every went out there, and played as a team, to the best of their abilities, never giving up. I've watched numerous sports, at numerous levels of competition, and I don't care who's better than who, if someone is better than me, so be it. What really erks me about this lose is the fact that they indeed showed no smarts, no heart, no courage. They quit

I remember watching the Redskins as a little kid during the dreaded Heath Shuler era, and even then (maybe because of my youth) I was fine with the constant losing, because they were trying, teams were just better. I can never accept losing when someone quits on the team. I don't care what people say, what's going on, never quit. I've taken classes on management, and a theme a speaker told me was leadership, and that they're 16 characteristics needed to be a leader. I asked which one he felt was the important, and he said two.

1. Character, because you have to look yourself in the mirror and say you are true to yourself, and they you are doing everything you can to do the right thing for you and your company.

2. Accountability, there is none in this organization. If your not willing to go up there as a person, be it a player, a coach, a president, an owner, whomever, then everything will be chaotic. I can't believe that no one is stepping to say, at least, this is my fault, I'm not performing, I'm the reason (preferably, someone important to the organization).

As of now, I have the list of characteristics on my wall, and I don't see any of these characteristics. No patience, no vision, no enthusiasm, no courage, no self-efficacy, no inspiration.

Don't quit, as a fan, I won't quit on this season, I won't quit on this team, but I hate to associate myself with quitters, so I hope this team doesn't quit and comes together to show more smarts, more courage, and more heart.

[brettsky991]

As a fan of competition in general, I can deal with a lose, as bad as this one, I could deal with it, IF, I felt that every went out there, and played as a team, to the best of their abilities, never giving up. I've watched numerous sports, at numerous levels of competition, and I don't care who's better than who, if someone is better than me, so be it. What really erks me about this lose is the fact that they indeed showed no smarts, no heart, no courage. They quit

I remember watching the Redskins as a little kid during the dreaded Heath Shuler era, and even then (maybe because of my youth) I was fine with the constant losing, because they were trying, teams were just better. I can never accept losing when someone quits on the team. I don't care what people say, what's going on, never quit. I've taken classes on management, and a theme a speaker told me was leadership, and that they're 16 characteristics needed to be a leader. I asked which one he felt was the important, and he said two.

1. Character, because you have to look yourself in the mirror and say you are true to yourself, and they you are doing everything you can to do the right thing for you and your company.

2. Accountability, there is none in this organization. If your not willing to go up there as a person, be it a player, a coach, a president, an owner, whomever, then everything will be chaotic. I can't believe that no one is stepping to say, at least, this is my fault, I'm not performing, I'm the reason (preferably, someone important to the organization).

As of now, I have the list of characteristics on my wall, and I don't see any of these characteristics. No patience, no vision, no enthusiasm, no courage, no self-efficacy, no inspiration.

Don't quit, as a fan, I won't quit on this season, I won't quit on this team, but I hate to associate myself with quitters, so I hope this team doesn't quit and comes together to show more smarts, more courage, and more heart.


Well said. I think one play sum'd up the whole teams attitude. Santana had a hug game, but when he scored he acted like HE had just won the superbowl all by himself. THEY WE LOSING THE GAME TO DETROIT! But the attitude, as stated by Hall and AH. Some people are just out to get theirs. Forget the team.

Santana proved that in my mind yesterday.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Well said. I think one play sum'd up the whole teams attitude. Santana had a hug game, but when he scored he acted like HE had just won the superbowl all by himself. THEY WE LOSING THE GAME TO DETROIT! But the attitude, as stated by Hall and AH. Some people are just out to get theirs. Forget the team.

Santana proved that in my mind yesterday.

The one I think you have has most checked out mentally is Rogers. He just seems to be disinterested and going through the motions. Remember the guy who shut down Calvin Johnson and Braylon Edwards last year? That guy is long gone.

[Moe]

The one I think you have has most checked out mentally is Rogers. He just seems to be disinterested and going through the motions. Remember the guy who shut down Calvin Johnson and Braylon Edwards last year? That guy is long gone.

Rogers has been very disappointing these past two weeks. He looked like a guy who finally got it last year and I wonder if the inexplicable benching last year once Hall arrived has soured him and he has checked out. This defense is sunk if he can't pick it back up.

[Hr fan]

As a fan of competition in general, I can deal with a lose, as bad as this one, I could deal with it, IF, I felt that every went out there, and played as a team, to the best of their abilities, never giving up. I've watched numerous sports, at numerous levels of competition, and I don't care who's better than who, if someone is better than me, so be it. What really erks me about this lose is the fact that they indeed showed no smarts, no heart, no courage. They quit

I remember watching the Redskins as a little kid during the dreaded Heath Shuler era, and even then (maybe because of my youth) I was fine with the constant losing, because they were trying, teams were just better. I can never accept losing when someone quits on the team. I don't care what people say, what's going on, never quit. I've taken classes on management, and a theme a speaker told me was leadership, and that they're 16 characteristics needed to be a leader. I asked which one he felt was the important, and he said two.

1. Character, because you have to look yourself in the mirror and say you are true to yourself, and they you are doing everything you can to do the right thing for you and your company.

2. Accountability, there is none in this organization. If your not willing to go up there as a person, be it a player, a coach, a president, an owner, whomever, then everything will be chaotic. I can't believe that no one is stepping to say, at least, this is my fault, I'm not performing, I'm the reason (preferably, someone important to the organization).

As of now, I have the list of characteristics on my wall, and I don't see any of these characteristics. No patience, no vision, no enthusiasm, no courage, no self-efficacy, no inspiration.

Don't quit, as a fan, I won't quit on this season, I won't quit on this team, but I hate to associate myself with quitters, so I hope this team doesn't quit and comes together to show more smarts, more courage, and more heart.

Great post. But if the players come together it will be in spite of rather than because of their leadership.