RB Situation

[oldskinfan]

So anyone else concerned about our RB situation? Where was Mason?

Bigger issue: it's crucial end of the game and both our #1 and #2 backs are injured or "gassed"? How can this be the hardly ran the ball all day!

I find this incredible and another case of bad front office mgt.

"With top back Clinton Portis slowed because of sore ankles and a calf injury and primary backup Ladell Betts in need of a breather, Cartwright replaced Betts during the Redskins' next-to-last drive of the game"


Redskins Insider on Rock and the RB Situation (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/cartwright-waits-for-the-rock.html?wprss=redskinsinsider)

[LATrueRedskin]

What in the world caused Ladell Betts to need a breather?

[skin4ever]

This has been a concern of mine for sometime now. With CP becoming more and more injury prone as the seasons go by and the incredible drop off in ability after him. Disappointing doesnt describe the management of this team. I dont know that Mason is the answer either, in preseason and the touches hes had this season he hasnt shown the ability to be effective against 1st team opponents. Compounding all of this is our offensive line's struggles and our passing games abandonment of deep passing plays. Thus, IMO, when CP goes down, the Rb's on our roster will be like plugging a hole in the hoover dam with a piece of bubble gum. Lets hope it works out.

[akhhorus]

What in the world caused Ladell Betts to need a breather?

He was chased by a puma on the sidelines I think. He certainly didn't wind himself by exerting himself on the field.

[LATrueRedskin]

He was chased by a puma on the sidelines I think. He certainly didn't wind himself by exerting himself on the field.

That just shows about the heart of this team (not the puma part). If I'm Ladell Betts, you're going to have to drag me off that football field to keep me from the opportunity of playing. Even if I can't breathe, I'm not coming out for Rock Cartwright. And it's not like Betts was the bull for the entire 2nd half. He had absolutely nothing to be winded about.

So far, the only player I've seen show instensity consistently over the past three weeks is Rocky McIntosh.

[Dolla Bill]

That just shows about the heart of this team (not the puma part). If I'm Ladell Betts, you're going to have to drag me off that football field to keep me from the opportunity of playing. Even if I can't breathe, I'm not coming out for Rock Cartwright. And it's not like Betts was the bull for the entire 2nd half. He had absolutely nothing to be winded about.

So far, the only player I've seen show instensity consistently over the past three weeks is Rocky McIntosh.

There are other players that come to mind, London Fletcher one, and believe it or not, Reed Doughty.

[csquared]

He was chased by a puma on the sidelines I think. He certainly didn't wind himself by exerting himself on the field.

LOL! This one had my laughing good.

[CarMike]

Lets not forget about Fletcher. 15+ tackles in 2 of the 3 games we've played so far.

[oldskinfan]

There are other players that come to mind, London Fletcher one, and believe it or not, Reed Doughty.

On certain downs, I would bring in Doughty as a 3rd safety in the box in place of Orakpo and line him up at DE.

Doughty is a solid tackler.

[shally]

That just shows about the heart of this team (not the puma part). If I'm Ladell Betts, you're going to have to drag me off that football field to keep me from the opportunity of playing. Even if I can't breathe, I'm not coming out for Rock Cartwright. And it's not like Betts was the bull for the entire 2nd half. He had absolutely nothing to be winded about.

So far, the only player I've seen show instensity consistently over the past three weeks is Rocky McIntosh.

+1

that is simply obscene

[esmith1790]

Lets not forget about Fletcher. 15+ tackles in 2 of the 3 games we've played so far.

IS that more of a bad defense? That he has more opportunities?

[Hr fan]

CP doesn't get a breather because there is no back behind him. Better off playing Mason and Aldridge to find out what we have. If either makes a bu role let Betts go and get a RT!

[shane88]

IS that more of a bad defense? That he has more opportunities?

To me, it shows the middle of the DL occupying blockers and allowing the MLB(Fletcher) to make plays....also, depends upon WHERE the tackles are taking place, if its 10 yards downfield that AINT good! lol Just another case of statistics being deceiving sometimes(most times).

[SkinsfaninNJ]

To me, it shows the middle of the DL occupying blockers and allowing the MLB(Fletcher) to make plays....also, depends upon WHERE the tackles are taking place, if its 10 yards downfield that AINT good! lol Just another case of statistics being deceiving sometimes(most times).

That was the problem in the Lions game for sure. Remember they had just about 100 yards rushing at half.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

This thread finally goes to the heart of our offensive problems. This team cannot win if it cannot run. Right now, we cannot run. You can put blame on the oline too.

[jaylen]

Betts clearly wore himself out. He was thinking on the sidelines and needed a breather because he wasn't thinking on the field because he still can't figure out when to run outta bounds or when to pitch the ball back on a lateral situation. so he saves the tiring work of thinking for when he's on the sidelines.

[Dolla Bill]

IS that more of a bad defense? That he has more opportunities?

We would be in trouble if it was Landry or Horton leading the team in tackles. That would be more of a bad defense.

[oldskinfan]

What adds insult to injury is the Cowgirls have 3 backs who can produce.
Barber, Jones, and Choice.

Of course, having a good O-line has a lot to do w/ that :-(

[ChiefPowhatan17]

They need to start Mason, and sit Betts. Clinton can be the 3rd down back. That's my solution. Betts becomes inactive to get Alridge involved.

[skinsfan36]

He was chased by a puma on the sidelines I think. He certainly didn't wind himself by exerting himself on the field.

ok so betts thinks theres a puma on the sidelines. thats why he never gets out of bounds when needed(got a gift on one last week)

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Here is what's great about this place. We have pages and pages about how Campbell isn't getting it done and should be benched and a page and a half criticising the running game.

Here are some important stats:

Rushing
Ranked 24th in the league. We average just over 100 yards less per game than the #1 team (193 per game vs. 91 per game). We have rushed for a total of 275 yards. 65 of them have been by Campbell. That means our RB's are averaging 70 yards a game. Seriously. Our running game has accounted for 1 TD. Forget which one? Hunter Smith. Seriously.

We are also 25th in the NFL in picking up first downs rushing. Neither Betts nor Portis is averaging at least 4.0 yards a carry. Combined, they account for 65 rushing yards a game. Seriously.

Passing
Jason Campbell is the ninth rated passer at 92.5. He is ninth in yards thrown. He is ninth in yards per game at 264.3 (for the math challenged that would be over 4,000 yards for the season). He is also ninth at 7.8 yards per pass (a really great number by the way). Campbell has also thrown for 44 first downs (fourth best in the league). His one stat that we all want to see improved is TD's thrown. He has only thrown 3. Of course, guys named Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Rothlisberger, Delhomme and Orton have all thrown for 3 or less TD's also.

We have already established Campbell is not dinking and checking down as evidenced by his high yards per attempt average. Since he is throwing downfield more, he must be completing less passes, right? Well, he is completing 67.6% of his passes. Where does that rank? Fifth in the league. He is throwing the ball down the field, and very few of his passes are hitting the ground. Yeah, let's keep complaining.

It is so amazing to me how everyone is focussed on Campbell. I thought this was a knowledgable fan base. Let's put it this way, if Campbell had last year's running game this season the way he is playing, we would be at least 2-1, and people would be debating who gets league MVP, Campbell or Portis.

[Death_Venom]

Here is what's great about this place. We have pages and pages about how Campbell isn't getting it done and should be benched and a page and a half criticising the running game.

Here are some important stats:

Rushing
Ranked 24th in the league. We average just over 100 yards less per game than the #1 team (193 per game vs. 91 per game). We have rushed for a total of 275 yards. 65 of them have been by Campbell. That means our RB's are averaging 70 yards a game. Seriously. Our running game has accounted for 1 TD. Forget which one? Hunter Smith. Seriously.

We are also 25th in the NFL in picking up first downs rushing. Neither Betts nor Portis is averaging at least 4.0 yards a carry. Combined, they account for 65 rushing yards a game. Seriously.

Passing
Jason Campbell is the ninth rated passer at 92.5. He is ninth in yards thrown. He is ninth in yards per game at 264.3 (for the math challenged that would be over 4,000 yards for the season). He is also ninth at 7.8 yards per pass (a really great number by the way). Campbell has also thrown for 44 first downs (fourth best in the league). His one stat that we all want to see improved is TD's thrown. He has only thrown 3. Of course, guys named Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Rothlisberger, Delhomme and Orton have all thrown for 3 or less TD's also.

We have already established Campbell is not dinking and checking down as evidenced by his high yards per attempt average. Since he is throwing downfield more, he must be completing less passes, right? Well, he is completing 67.6% of his passes. Where does that rank? Fifth in the league. He is throwing the ball down the field, and very few of his passes are hitting the ground. Yeah, let's keep complaining.

It is so amazing to me how everyone is focussed on Campbell. I thought this was a knowledgable fan base. Let's put it this way, if Campbell had last year's running game this season the way he is playing, we would be at least 2-1, and people would be debating who gets league MVP, Campbell or Portis.

Stats are FUN!!!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Stats are FUN!!!

Stats or not, I challenge anyone to explain, show or demonstrate that the running game has been better than the passing game this year.

[JsMaViSd]

Just an idea, but do you think that Portis isnt giving his all because he knows Shanny will prolly be here next year and he will be gone anyways?

And btw, i think Mason/Alridge should be our 1-2 punch, with Betts and Portis gone next year and Cartwright being here for ST.

[Brokenstriker]

you know the team sucks when we start tossing stats around ...

reminds me of Blache citing the 4th ranked defense

only stat that matters is win percentage

[SkinsfaninNJ]

you know the team sucks when we start tossing stats around ...

reminds me of Blache citing the 4th ranked defense

only stat that matters is win percentage

That is ridiculous. People use stats when discussing winners too. Ever hear stats discussed when talking about Tom Brady or Manning throwing TD's?

I was pointing out the fact that most people are focussing on the wrong problems with this team.

This is the undebatable point, if we had 21 other guys doing their jobs as well as Campbell is doing his, we are at worst 2-1 today.

[LATrueRedskin]

Just an idea, but do you think that Portis isnt giving his all because he knows Shanny will prolly be here next year and he will be gone anyways?

And btw, i think Mason/Alridge should be our 1-2 punch, with Betts and Portis gone next year and Cartwright being here for ST.

I think Portis is giving his all. That's the only way he plays. If only we would give him the ball more often. 15-19 rushes a game is not going to cut it. He needs 25+ in order for us to be productive. And God help us if Mason and Aldridge are our only runningbacks.

[esmith1790]

Here is what's great about this place. We have pages and pages about how Campbell isn't getting it done and should be benched and a page and a half criticising the running game.

Here are some important stats:

Rushing
Ranked 24th in the league. We average just over 100 yards less per game than the #1 team (193 per game vs. 91 per game). We have rushed for a total of 275 yards. 65 of them have been by Campbell. That means our RB's are averaging 70 yards a game. Seriously. Our running game has accounted for 1 TD. Forget which one? Hunter Smith. Seriously.

We are also 25th in the NFL in picking up first downs rushing. Neither Betts nor Portis is averaging at least 4.0 yards a carry. Combined, they account for 65 rushing yards a game. Seriously.

Passing
Jason Campbell is the ninth rated passer at 92.5. He is ninth in yards thrown. He is ninth in yards per game at 264.3 (for the math challenged that would be over 4,000 yards for the season). He is also ninth at 7.8 yards per pass (a really great number by the way). Campbell has also thrown for 44 first downs (fourth best in the league). His one stat that we all want to see improved is TD's thrown. He has only thrown 3. Of course, guys named Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Rothlisberger, Delhomme and Orton have all thrown for 3 or less TD's also.

We have already established Campbell is not dinking and checking down as evidenced by his high yards per attempt average. Since he is throwing downfield more, he must be completing less passes, right? Well, he is completing 67.6% of his passes. Where does that rank? Fifth in the league. He is throwing the ball down the field, and very few of his passes are hitting the ground. Yeah, let's keep complaining.

It is so amazing to me how everyone is focussed on Campbell. I thought this was a knowledgable fan base. Let's put it this way, if Campbell had last year's running game this season the way he is playing, we would be at least 2-1, and people would be debating who gets league MVP, Campbell or Portis.

i think JC is getting exposed. the 6-2 start had a huge running game (QB best friend). Now that the running game is not so hot, the QB must make plays not just drive the BUS. doesnt seem to cut it under pressure.

[28thegreat]

We have a one-sided running attack. I only remember a couple of runs to the right...and one of those went for twelve yards. I don't have the ability to watch the games on TV (have to rely on those good folks who stream it on the web) so I wish someone would take the time to review the game and see what percentage of runs went right. Every time it looked like a run, Detroit was already in motion to the left before Clinton got the ball. Pitiful. Definitely need more balance in the running attack.

[shane88]

i think JC is getting exposed. the 6-2 start had a huge running game (QB best friend). Now that the running game is not so hot, the QB must make plays not just drive the BUS. doesnt seem to cut it under pressure.

+1
That 6-2 start we had a decent/healthy o-line and it's been downhill since. The underlying problem is an old/gimpy/ineffective line that has gone basically unaddressed for several seasons now and is finally biting us in the a$$.
:smash:

[skin4ever]

Here is what's great about this place. We have pages and pages about how Campbell isn't getting it done and should be benched and a page and a half criticising the running game.

Here are some important stats:

Rushing
Ranked 24th in the league. We average just over 100 yards less per game than the #1 team (193 per game vs. 91 per game). We have rushed for a total of 275 yards. 65 of them have been by Campbell. That means our RB's are averaging 70 yards a game. Seriously. Our running game has accounted for 1 TD. Forget which one? Hunter Smith. Seriously.

We are also 25th in the NFL in picking up first downs rushing. Neither Betts nor Portis is averaging at least 4.0 yards a carry. Combined, they account for 65 rushing yards a game. Seriously.

Passing
Jason Campbell is the ninth rated passer at 92.5. He is ninth in yards thrown. He is ninth in yards per game at 264.3 (for the math challenged that would be over 4,000 yards for the season). He is also ninth at 7.8 yards per pass (a really great number by the way). Campbell has also thrown for 44 first downs (fourth best in the league). His one stat that we all want to see improved is TD's thrown. He has only thrown 3. Of course, guys named Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Rothlisberger, Delhomme and Orton have all thrown for 3 or less TD's also.

We have already established Campbell is not dinking and checking down as evidenced by his high yards per attempt average. Since he is throwing downfield more, he must be completing less passes, right? Well, he is completing 67.6% of his passes. Where does that rank? Fifth in the league. He is throwing the ball down the field, and very few of his passes are hitting the ground. Yeah, let's keep complaining.

It is so amazing to me how everyone is focussed on Campbell. I thought this was a knowledgable fan base. Let's put it this way, if Campbell had last year's running game this season the way he is playing, we would be at least 2-1, and people would be debating who gets league MVP, Campbell or Portis.

I agree that the running game is probably worse than the passing game(so far this season and they both suck tremendously), but whats the percentage of passes(completions) thrown on crossing routes/fades/down field straight ahead(dont know the term off the top of my head) vs. hitch routes and come backs. Seems to me(based upon my observation) that a majority(a great one at that) of his completions are of the hitch or comeback route where the WR and JC are basically playing catch, whereas he fails to throw the ball very well on the other respective passes. Thus, the higher completion ratings. In other words, if JC is throwing the comeback routes 90% of the time vs. the others, of course he will have a higher completion percentage than other QB's who can make all the throws.

Looking at your stats, i came up with some different numbers: The passing game is avg'ing 6.8 yds per play(6.4 v. Giants and Rams and 7.6 v Lions. Although that avg. includes sacks and I did see that JC is avg. 7.8 on nfl.com too. So i dont know what to make out of it), he is tied for 12th in the league for passes over 20 yds., and only has 1 pass over 40 yds. Looking at the play by play analysis of the giants game, we only went deep once(and that was picked off) all of the completions were stated as short pass with a long of 17(2 times).

Regardless of stats, JC sucks. Hes put up so-so(I would say crap) numbers against the Rams, Lions and Giants. That is an indication of where we are as a passing team. Crap.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I agree that the running game is probably worse than the passing game(so far this season and they both suck tremendously), but whats the percentage of passes(completions) thrown on crossing routes/fades/down field straight ahead(dont know the term off the top of my head) vs. hitch routes and come backs. Seems to me(based upon my observation) that a majority(a great one at that) of his completions are of the hitch or comeback route where the WR and JC are basically playing catch, whereas he fails to throw the ball very well on the other respective passes. Thus, the higher completion ratings. In other words, if JC is throwing the comeback routes 90% of the time vs. the others, of course he will have a higher completion percentage than other QB's who can make all the throws.

Looking at your stats, i came up with some different numbers: The passing game is avg'ing 6.8 yds per play(6.4 v. Giants and Rams and 7.6 v Lions. Although that avg. includes sacks and I did see that JC is avg. 7.8 on nfl.com too. So i dont know what to make out of it), he is tied for 12th in the league for passes over 20 yds., and only has 1 pass over 40 yds. Looking at the play by play analysis of the giants game, we only went deep once(and that was picked off) all of the completions were stated as short pass with a long of 17(2 times).

Regardless of stats, JC sucks. Hes put up so-so(I would say crap) numbers against the Rams, Lions and Giants. That is an indication of where we are as a passing team. Crap.

Why do you say they are crap numbers? Almost 68% of his passes completed. A high yards per pass attempt number. If Sellers and Thomas held those two TD's, his passer rating would be over 100. If he ever learned to throw more TD's (although 5 in three games is a good start), his numbers wouldn't be good, they would be All Pro.

Now, can he keep up being a top 10 passer for 16 games? I don't know. We'll see.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

are there any good rbs coming out of college in 2010?

[Goskins11]

the skins need a 2nd running back with cp. Rotation needs to happen to keep everyone fresh. that said, this will something that the new coaching staff will decide, because this season is over. the offensive line can't open up any lanes on the right side. heyer is only a back up at best...he was not the answer. don't think janson was either but i think he could've done better, but thats hindsight.

[redskinz#1fan]

i think JC is getting exposed. the 6-2 start had a huge running game (QB best friend). Now that the running game is not so hot, the QB must make plays not just drive the BUS. doesnt seem to cut it under pressure.

And Romo does???

[Brokenstriker]

That is ridiculous. People use stats when discussing winners too. Ever hear stats discussed when talking about Tom Brady or Manning throwing TD's?

I was pointing out the fact that most people are focussing on the wrong problems with this team.

This is the undebatable point, if we had 21 other guys doing their jobs as well as Campbell is doing his, we are at worst 2-1 today.

Easy there big fella ... I'm not shooting at you. I agree Campbell isn't the anchor dragging this team down. Personally I don't think he's an ideal QB but if the rest of the team played at his level the Skins would be at least average. I think he could be as effective as Rypien more or less ... thing missing is a top-shelf offensive line and a defense that lets our QB play most of the game ... and a more masterful offensive game plan and real time replanning capability.

[skinsfan36]

are there any good rbs coming out of college in 2010?

oh yeah the best ones are juniors in dwyer,best,spiller(sr actually)

[Algonkian]

What we need to start on offense :
OL : Samuels-Dockery-Rabach-Rinehart-Jon Runyan
QB : Jeff Garcia
FB : Sellers
RB : Mason
TE : Cooley
WR : Kelly-Moss-Mitchell

[Death_Venom]

What we need to start on offense :
OL : Samuels-Dockery-Rabach-Rinehart-Jon Runyan
QB : Jeff Garcia
FB : Sellers
RB : Mason
TE : Cooley
WR : Kelly-Moss-Mitchell

Garcia? Mason? Moss? Seriously........Garcia is decent but not great, Mason has yet to prove himself against 1st string defenses (players), and Moss is seriously inconsistent.

[esmith1790]

And Romo does??? NO he is not. He is falling back down to earth fast.

[Shubacca]

I think that we are married to Portis for better of for worse. Our owner wants to be pals with these players, so he bends over backwards for them. Without any true chain of command, is there any doubt as to why this team is constantly in disarray?
Bottom line is, Snyder is a jock sniffer. Not built to play the game, and I'm quite certain he's never had pads on. He wants to pal around with guys that used to give him swirlies in high school.