Rodney Harrison calls Jason Campbell a backup

[oldskinfan]

Dan Steinberg blogged about it here (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/rodney_harrison_calls_jason_ca.html)

Harrison is just trying to make noise as a commentator, but Tony Dungy's comments in the discussion were more telling:

"Well, I'm not going to blame it all on the quarterback," Tony Dungy chimed in. "He threw for a lot of yards today; they're having trouble scoring. But I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They've got to build a team concept there....And it's not always getting the best players, it's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in. And right now they don't have confidence."

So:
1) Do you agree with Harrison?
2) Or do you think Dungy has the more correct diagnosis?

I tend to agree w/ Dungy.

[Farmer Ted]

... and he's not a guy that defensive players look at and fear.

I believe that 100%. I think that DC's watch film on JC and giggle like school-girls as they put together their blitz schemes.

This is pretty funny though (down in the comments):

HGH(rodney harrison) takes it in the butt. syringes that is.

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[csquared]

Dan Steinberg blogged about it here (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/rodney_harrison_calls_jason_ca.html)

Harrison is just trying to make noise as a commentator, but Tony Dungy's comments in the discussion were more telling:

"Well, I'm not going to blame it all on the quarterback," Tony Dungy chimed in. "He threw for a lot of yards today; they're having trouble scoring. But I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They've got to build a team concept there....And it's not always getting the best players, it's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in. And right now they don't have confidence."

So:
1) Do you agree with Harrison?
2) Or do you think Dungy has the more correct diagnosis?

I tend to agree w/ Dungy.

I call him many different things. Harrison was nicer though.

[akhhorus]

I believe that 100%. I think that DC's watch film on JC and giggle like school-girls as they put together their blitz schemes.

Doesn't that have a lot more to do with the sorry state of the Oline than with Campbell?


We've seen how Campbell can look if he has the support system around him. He's not a pro bowl level Qb, but he can be a good Qb who can drive an offense. Right now, he has dysfunction everywhere else on the offense along with his own limitations. Pinning the offensive problems on him is scapegoating.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Doesn't that have a lot more to do with the sorry state of the Oline than with Campbell?


We've seen how Campbell can look if he has the support system around him. He's not a pro bowl level Qb, but he can be a good Qb who can drive an offense. Right now, he has dysfunction everywhere else on the offense along with his own limitations. Pinning the offensive problems on him is scapegoating.
I have to somewhat agree here. Campbell is not the sole source of teh offensive problems. However, I don't necessarily think he is the answer anymore. He still tends to lock on targets and makes some poor (read overly safe) decisions.

Dungy's comments were spot on. Until we get a competent GM with full authority and no interference from Snyder making the playoffs will be more aberration than trend.

[shally]

Dan Steinberg blogged about it here (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/rodney_harrison_calls_jason_ca.html)

Harrison is just trying to make noise as a commentator, but Tony Dungy's comments in the discussion were more telling:

"Well, I'm not going to blame it all on the quarterback," Tony Dungy chimed in. "He threw for a lot of yards today; they're having trouble scoring. But I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They've got to build a team concept there....And it's not always getting the best players, it's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in. And right now they don't have confidence."

So:
1) Do you agree with Harrison?
2) Or do you think Dungy has the more correct diagnosis?

I tend to agree w/ Dungy.

harrison's comments were harsh, but PROBABLY correct.. he is a player, and knows what it is like to play against Campbell...Dungy is being more diplomatic

[CarMike]

If the Redskins were scoring TDs, Campbell would be the best QB in the NFL. [no, not literally]

He can move the offense. It's the redzone play calling that gets this team in trouble. Little has to do with Jason Campbell.

[jaylen]

blah, JC is playing okay again look around the league there are examples everywhere of poor qb play. The team we play on Sunday under leftwich was terrible.

I actually would have expected JC to be struggling like Leftwich with a non exisrtant running game, terrible game management by the coach and spotty wr play. Instead he seems to be scanning the field finding guys and scramling when necessary.

[shally]

If the Redskins were scoring TDs, Campbell would be the best QB in the NFL. [no, not literally]

He can move the offense. It's the redzone play calling that gets this team in trouble. Little has to do with Jason Campbell.

not true.. his audible to a draw to Betts was braindead.. he lacks feel for for a lot of types of passes
BUT
any flaws JC might have a dwarfed by the flaws in playcalling, missed assignments, blown blocking, dropped passes, and overall crappy play by the O line..
he doesnt get a pass, but it is tough to get a true read on his play because of all the dysfunctional elements of our Offense from top to bottom

[shally]

blah, JC is playing okay again look around the league there are examples everywhere of poor qb play. The team we play on Sunday under leftwich was terrible.

I actually would have expected JC to be struggling like Leftwich with a non exisrtant running game, terrible game management by the coach and spotty wr play. Instead he seems to be scanning the field finding guys and scramling when necessary.

leftwich is a statue.. but give him a solid O line, and he can torch a team (like he did to us with Pitts last year).. fortunately for us, the Tampa O line is banged up

[CarMike]

We'll agree to disagree on this one. Yes, there are some passes he could work on. But it's hard to say that he doesn't move the ball regularly.

[akhhorus]

leftwich is a statue.. but give him a solid O line, and he can torch a team (like he did to us with Pitts last year).. fortunately for us, the Tampa O line is banged up

Detroit has a bad Oline, and they were able to push around the Skins' front 7 rather easily.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

So:
1) Do you agree with Harrison?
2) Or do you think Dungy has the more correct diagnosis?


i believe they both are right!JC is no better and not as good as some backups in the league,and the skins have a lack of confidence they can't work through now.

[shally]

Detroit has a bad Oline, and they were able to push around the Skins' front 7 rather easily.

....which bodes very poorly for sunday's game against the Bucs

[jaylen]

leftwich is a statue.. but give him a solid O line, and he can torch a team (like he did to us with Pitts last year).. fortunately for us, the Tampa O line is banged up

hasn't he been sacked only a few times this season I could be wrong about that though I thought I read a stat somewhere on it.

Leftwhich has bad mechanics and a really slow release. not sure a quality line could make him any good.

In Pittsburgh he was playing us with no pressure and an offensive line that collapsed.

[BraveHeartFan]

I don't think Campbell is the sole issue and I certainly don't think he's as horrible as many make him out to be. I do think he's a good, servicable, NFL QB. I do think he'd be better suited for a backup role and only called upon for short time periods where you could use him to drive the bus and not lose games for you. I don't know that I could ever see him as a legit 16 game starter who can really take a team anywhere but I've most certainly been wrong about QBs before.

I happen to like Jason Campbell, either way, and I'd have no problem with having him as a backup option on my team any day.

[Gunnar]

If the Redskins were scoring TDs, Campbell would be the best QB in the NFL. [no, not literally]

He can move the offense. It's the redzone play calling that gets this team in trouble. Little has to do with Jason Campbell.

I do not know about that. Look at his games he is not a good QB. Does not step in the pocket, holds on to the ball to long and does not have a quick release and poor judgment. He does have a good arm and physically strong but that can only help yo so much.

[Redskinmayhem]

This is easy. I like JCamp as a person but he's not Starting NFL Caliber. Dungy is right too, The Skins, as an organization, are shambles. We're a mess. We suck right now and I don't think anyone in Ashburn recognizes that fact. The team is being run as if we're 1 big name player away from a SB run. lol.

[Oregonian]

If the Redskins were scoring TDs, Campbell would be the best QB in the NFL. [no, not literally]

Don't you mean that if Campbell were the best QB in football, the Redskins would be scoring TDs?

If he were even an average QB, we would be scoring more TDs.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

If it's all about quickness and rhythm, then maybe Todd Collins will give us a quicker release, to get the ball in the hands of the playmakers.

[BurgundyNGold]

Don't you mean that if Campbell were the best QB in football, the Redskins would be scoring TDs?

If he were even an average QB, we would be scoring more TDs.
As of Week 3, Campbell is the 9th highest rated passer in the NFL (92.5). Say what you will. This team is 1-2 and our offense is just as bad as our defense, but, save London Fletcher, he is doing better statistically than the rest of the lumps on our team:

No other Redskin offensive player rates better than 10th at a statistic:

Rush. Yards (23), Portis
Receptions (12), Cooley
Rec. Yards (17), Moss

No other Redskin defensive player (save the aforementioned Fletcher) rates better than 10th at a statistic:

Tackles (1), Fletcher, 17 (37), Horton
Sacks (39), [Multiple with 1.0] - Team has 4.0 sacks through 3 games
Int (13), DeAngelo Hall

[akhhorus]

As of Week 3, Campbell is the 9th highest rated passer in the NFL (92.5). Say what you will. This team is 1-2 and our offense is just as bad as our defense, but, save London Fletcher, he is doing better statistically than the rest of the lumps on our team:

No other Redskin offensive player rates better than 10th at a statistic:

Rush. Yards (23), Portis
Receptions (12), Cooley
Rec. Yards (17), Moss

No other Redskin defensive player (save the aforementioned Fletcher) rates better than 10th at a statistic:

Tackles (1), Fletcher, 17 (37), Horton
Sacks (39), [Multiple with 1.0] - Team has 4.0 sacks through 3 games
Int (13), DeAngelo Hall

Campbell's yards per attempt, which is a good indication of accuracy and efficiency, is up to 7.8(it was 6.4 last season). His ypa is higher than: Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub and Carson Palmer. Take it for what its worth.

[shally]

Campbell's yards per attempt, which is a good indication of accuracy and efficiency, is up to 7.8(it was 6.4 last season). His ypa is higher than: Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub and Carson Palmer. Take it for what its worth.

respectfully, with the exception of schaub, there isnt a single player on that list that i wouldnt take over campbell hands down, all things being equal

those kinds of stats can be deceptive.. one problem, among many, is how bad a mismatch campbell is for zorn and his half-baked schemes..together, they are worse than either would be in another situation

[akhhorus]

respectfully, with the exception of schaub, there isnt a single player on that list that i wouldnt take over campbell hands down, all things being equal

those kinds of stats can be deceptive.. one problem, among many, is how bad a mismatch campbell is for zorn and his half-baked schemes..together, they are worse than either would be in another situation

I'm not saying that Campbell is better than any of them. Not at all. I'd rather have all of them over Campbell, including Schaub. My point is that while Campbell did rack up a chunk of his yardage in garbage time, his efficiency stats show that he's actually playing fairly well(his fumbles are way up tho). As for the YPA stat, Campbell is 9th, and the 8 Qbs ahead of him: Rivers, Romo, Flacco, Big Ben, Brees, Fredo Manning, Peyton and Rogers. So its not some obscure stat that a bad QB can sneak up the list of(fwiw, Jaws is a big proponent of the ypa stat).

[BucsFaninBrownsLand]

It's evident to me, from watching the games, that Campbell SHOULD only be a starter on a third tier team (bottom third of the league).

Him starting otherwise means that

1. You are grooming a QBOTF.
2. Injuries.
3. Suspension.

The Redskins have none of the above and are not in the bottom third in the league (talent wise). Decisions, decisions...



He cannot look off defenders, he cannot stay in the pocket long enough to deliver the ball at the right time, his accuracy fluctuates (more bad than good), his upside is limited.

[shally]

I'm not saying that Campbell is better than any of them. Not at all. I'd rather have all of them over Campbell, including Schaub. My point is that while Campbell did rack up a chunk of his yardage in garbage time, his efficiency stats show that he's actually playing fairly well(his fumbles are way up tho). As for the YPA stat, Campbell is 9th, and the 8 Qbs ahead of him: Rivers, Romo, Flacco, Big Ben, Brees, Fredo Manning, Peyton and Rogers. So its not some obscure stat that a bad QB can sneak up the list of(fwiw, Jaws is a big proponent of the ypa stat).

yeh.. WTF is the deal with his fumbles ? you think he is getting hit any more than he was last year ? i dont.. loss of focus ? he hasnt fumbled when scrambling... what you think it is due to ?

[akhhorus]

yeh.. WTF is the deal with his fumbles ? you think he is getting hit any more than he was last year ? i dont.. loss of focus ? he hasnt fumbled when scrambling... what you think it is due to ?

Oline would be my guess. Campbell gets credited with a fumble for 2 of Rabach's bad snaps in the Lions game though, so maybe its overblown

[brettsky991]

yeh.. WTF is the deal with his fumbles ? you think he is getting hit any more than he was last year ? i dont.. loss of focus ? he hasnt fumbled when scrambling... what you think it is due to ?

Bad Karma?

[give_portis_the_rock]

I'm a big fan of Jason. I think he's a class act and a 'good character' guy.

As for his play, I can't really judge because I can't see who gets open and who doesn't or how quickly he goes through his progressions (they don't show that on TV except for certain replays). But he's been moving the ball and racking up yards. He has a high yards per attempt (so it's not just 'dinking and dunking'). So I'm gonna assume he's been playing pretty well.

I think he's part of the solution more than he is part of the problem. I really hope we keep him.

[InsomniaKiller]

Campbell seems to do his job pretty well for the most part. He moves the ball effectively and has a great completion percentage, and he's NOT just dumping the ball off to increase his percentage number. The biggest improvement I see in him this year is his ability to overcome the team's mistakes. Penalties have put us in 3rd & 7, 3rd & 10, 3rd & 13, whatever, and he's overcome those a number of times and converted a first down, whereas last year it seemed that one penalty typically brought any hope of a sustained drive to a screeching halt.

He's two dropped touchdown passes away from having what I would call "pretty darn good" numbers.

The reason we don't score more points seems largely due to two things. First, abandoning what got us into the red zone in the first place by trying to run even if there's nothing there.

The other thing preventing us from scoring is the defense's inability to get off the field. If you think that sounds stupid, consider that we only had the ball, I believe, 3 times in the first half against the Lions. Their long drives kept the ball out of our hands. Believe it or not, other teams don't score against the Lions every time they get the ball. If we had had a comparable number of drive attempts as other teams have had against the Lions, I think that's a game we win. I'm not saying we'd turn into some offensive juggernaut and drop 35-40 points, but 24 points? Yeah, absolutely.

So both sides of the ball need work. We need to give Jason the chance to make plays when we get to the red zone, and we need the defense to get us the ball back every now and then, not necessarily through turnovers (which would be great) but from the occasional 3rd & out, or just a SHORT drive by the opposing team.

I don't consider Jason Campbell a problem. I actually see a lot of improvement in his accuracy in the short / intermediate passing game this year. I like what I've seen aside from a couple bonehead plays. If we solve this red zone problem, I think he'll be viewed as a better than average quarterback around the league, but if we keep failing to score touchdowns, the perception of him won't change and we'll be looking at a new quarterback next year.

[TrueOracle]

Rodney who? Oh yeah, Rodney "who cares"? I'm listening to Dungy before I listen to anyone else.

[Death_Venom]

Rodney who? Oh yeah, Rodney "who cares"? I'm listening to Dungy before I listen to anyone else.

My thoughts exactly......Harrison is a player not a coach. I find it difficult for a player to evaluate another player especially when that player did NOT play at that position.

Kinda like a golf player talking about a baseball players stance or swing.....

[Chief Redskin]

Rodney is 100 percent correct. JC is "not a guy that defensive players look at and fear."The only people that think JC is any better than a backup are delusional Redskin fans. Wake up.

[Keino]

leftwich is a statue.. but give him a solid O line, and he can torch a team (like he did to us with Pitts last year).. fortunately for us, the Tampa O line is banged up

Leftwich is 3rd string.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I think JC is an OK QB but he is not going to take a team on his shoulders. He's the type of QB who can be on a great team and not screw it up.

The Redskins are not that team.

The problem this year is the fumbles and missing the open man. There were some key plays last week where JC missed guys that were wide open and instead threw into double coverage. He's a veteran now and he still isn't reading defenses.

Having Jason Campbell as your QB is like having the second best hand in poker. He looks just good enough for you to stay, but then you lose to someone a little bit better.

[smoak]

Dan Steinberg blogged about it here (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/rodney_harrison_calls_jason_ca.html)

Harrison is just trying to make noise as a commentator, but Tony Dungy's comments in the discussion were more telling:

"Well, I'm not going to blame it all on the quarterback," Tony Dungy chimed in. "He threw for a lot of yards today; they're having trouble scoring. But I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They've got to build a team concept there....And it's not always getting the best players, it's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in. And right now they don't have confidence."

So:
1) Do you agree with Harrison?
2) Or do you think Dungy has the more correct diagnosis?

I tend to agree w/ Dungy.

Harrison is a douche (I thought that BEFORE his comments)

Dungy is dead on.

[smoak]

Rodney is 100 percent correct. JC is "not a guy that defensive players look at and fear."The only people that think JC is any better than a backup are delusional Redskin fans. Wake up.

Ok and your qualification is what exactly? Look at the lack of starting QB talent in the league b/c I can tell you that while I have JC around/outside the top 15 QBs, he sure as hell isn't the 33rd best starting QB in the league.

The issues (IMO) is the FACT that this team sucks and JC isn't one of those elite QBs that can carry a franchise. But guess what... There is maybe MAYBE 1-2 of those guys every generation.

The real enemy here is the antichrist who keeps building our beloved team from the top down and interferring with people who know more football than he does.

[svetere]

What does everyone think about Matt Leinhart? It seems that he will be sitting on the Cardinals bench for a while and might be an option to replace Campbell. Does anyone think that the Redskins could revive his career?

What are your thoughts?

[shally]

What does everyone think about Matt Leinhart? It seems that he will be sitting on the Cardinals bench for a while and might be an option to replace Campbell. Does anyone think that the Redskins could revive his career?

What are your thoughts?

leinhart is immature and has off field issues.. plus, i am not so sure how good he actually is, given how good the players at SoCal were around him

i dont think his situation is anywhere parallel to drew brees' or even jay cutler..

pass

Leftwich is 3rd string.

i understand.. and i think it is lucky for us he is..

[SkinsfaninNJ]

leinhart is immature and has off field issues.. plus, i am not so sure how good he actually is, given how good the players at SoCal were around him

i dont think his situation is anywhere parallel to drew brees' or even jay cutler..

pass



i understand.. and i think it is lucky for us he is..

Leinhart had a good preseason against good competition. Sanchez and Palmer both had great teams around them in college, and that hasn't hurt their pro careers. I'm not advocating for Leinhart, but I'm not dismissing him either. Frankly, I have no clue where our next QB comes from.

[redbamaskins]

why cant we draft a QB and let Todd Collins take over and be the starter.
what would it hurt to give Todd Collins a shot?

[SkinsKY]

I call him many different things. Harrison was nicer though.

Nice avatar. ;)

I think Dungy is right. They could both be, but trading out Campbell won't fix this team.

[shally]

why cant we draft a QB and let Todd Collins take over and be the starter.
what would it hurt to give Todd Collins a shot?

the only way i think that happens is if we draft a guy, and let collins keep the seat warm until he is ready to start.. full season ? half season ?

[give_portis_the_rock]

why cant we draft a QB and let Todd Collins take over and be the starter.
what would it hurt to give Todd Collins a shot?

Todd has no future here
Jason might

That's why Jason is still playing
Besides, quarterback play is not the reason we're 1-2

[akhhorus]

why cant we draft a QB and let Todd Collins take over and be the starter.
what would it hurt to give Todd Collins a shot?

The season? Our potential win total? Our immortal souls? lol

[MDBluefinCrab]

Doesn't that have a lot more to do with the sorry state of the Oline than with Campbell?


We've seen how Campbell can look if he has the support system around him. He's not a pro bowl level Qb, but he can be a good Qb who can drive an offense. Right now, he has dysfunction everywhere else on the offense along with his own limitations. Pinning the offensive problems on him is scapegoating.

Bullcrap! JC still plays the position inconsistently, even with maximum protection. He still makes rookie mistakes and has been a starter for over 3 years, so enough of this crap about JC being a good QB, he's not and never will be.
I also agree with Dungy's assessment of this team. Our wonderful leader, the little Danny Snyder, gets his dirty little fingers into this team and just creates mayhem.
Things aren't going to get any better either until this midget owner sells the team. We have now become the worst team in the NFL and anybody that can prove otherwise....

[akhhorus]

Bullcrap! JC still plays the position inconsistently, even with maximum protection. He still makes rookie mistakes and has been a starter for over 3 years, so enough of this crap about JC being a good QB, he's not and never will be.

You lose credibility when you claim that Campbell still makes rookie mistakes. We've seen that he can be a good Qb when given the support system, so the only crap is your comments lol. The oline the redskins has currently is a total wreck, no Qb could succeed behind it. The playcalling is probably the worst in the NFL, asking even a pro bowl level QB(which Campbell isn't) to make up for that is asking too much.

[SkinKing]

Doesn't that have a lot more to do with the sorry state of the Oline than with Campbell?


We've seen how Campbell can look if he has the support system around him. He's not a pro bowl level Qb, but he can be a good Qb who can drive an offense. Right now, he has dysfunction everywhere else on the offense along with his own limitations. Pinning the offensive problems on him is scapegoating.


Agree 100%..

[SkinKing]

You lose credibility when you claim that Campbell still makes rookie mistakes. We've seen that he can be a good Qb when given the support system, so the only crap is your comments lol. The oline the redskins has currently is a total wreck, no Qb could succeed behind it. The playcalling is probably the worst in the NFL, asking even a pro bowl level QB(which Campbell isn't) to make up for that is asking too much.

Being a little modest when you said "probably the worst in the NFL", you and I both know for a fact Zorn's play calling is the WORSE! I say let Buges call the plays and move on! lol

[akhhorus]

Being a little modest when you said "probably the worst in the NFL", you and I both know for a fact Zorn's play calling is the WORSE! I say let Buges call the plays and move on! lol

You're right, but it doesn't matter really. Zorn's playcalling, no matter how it is stacked up to the rest of the league, is predictable and stale. The league figured him out and Zorn refuses to adjust(which he would have learned as an offensive coordinator), which is the real problem with the offense.

[MDBluefinCrab]

You lose credibility when you claim that Campbell still makes rookie mistakes. We've seen that he can be a good Qb when given the support system, so the only crap is your comments lol. The oline the redskins has currently is a total wreck, no Qb could succeed behind it. The playcalling is probably the worst in the NFL, asking even a pro bowl level QB(which Campbell isn't) to make up for that is asking too much.

He's had the support system from the first pre season game and yes, he still makes rookie mistakes and I guess you'll see what you want to see and no amount of his inconsistent play is ever going to change your mind.
I'm not really worried about losing any credibility. I just call it as I see it and I see a QB who's not that good. You may think he could be the second coming of Sammy Baugh but I think he's nothing more than a mediocre back up, at best.
The one thing I will agree with you is that the play calling by Zorn is horrible but that is not what's keeping JC from progressing, in my ever loss of credibility to you, lol.

[akhhorus]

He's had the support system from the first pre season game and yes, he still makes rookie mistakes and I guess you'll see what you want to see and no amount of his inconsistent play is ever going to change your mind.

Campbell has no effective Oline, terrible/inconsistent receivers(outside of Cooley) and Zorn shouldn't be calling plays even in the UFL, much less the NFL. So, no he doesn't have the support system he needs.

I'm not really worried about losing any credibility. I just call it as I see it and I see a QB who's not that good. You may think he could be the second coming of Sammy Baugh but I think he's nothing more than a mediocre back up, at best.

Don't put words in my mouth. Campbell, at his best, will be a good system qb who should be able to take a good level of talent/coaching and maximize it. He has the potential to be a borderline pro bowl 1st alternate, maybe more if he clicks in the right offense.

The one thing I will agree with you is that the play calling by Zorn is horrible but that is not what's keeping JC from progressing, in my ever loss of credibility to you, lol.

The problem is that if you agree that Zorn's playcalling is horrible, then you can't honestly say that its Campbell's fault or that he'll never amount to anything.

[GenMgr]

Is Zorn's playcalling holding Jason back or does Jason's abilities restrict the plays that Zorn can call?

[Keino]

Is Zorn's playcalling holding Jason back or does Jason's abilities restrict the plays that Zorn can call?

I think everyone agrees his playcalling stinks. If he has no faith in the guy running the plays then he should make a change and he should have insisted on bringing in a vet familiar with the WCO. Either way it's on the coach.

[redskin_rich]

I think everyone agrees his playcalling stinks. If he has no faith in the guy running the plays then he should make a change and he should have insisted on bringing in a vet familiar with the WCO. Either way it's on the coach.

Agreed.

Even Zorn is smart enough to know that his fortunes are tied to JC's and that JC gives us our best chance at winning games.

[GenMgr]

I think everyone agrees his playcalling stinks. If he has no faith in the guy running the plays then he should make a change and he should have insisted on bringing in a vet familiar with the WCO. Either way it's on the coach.

There will be a vet familar with the WCO on the roster after the bye week. Maybe sooner. -- my opinion

[redskin_rich]

There will be a vet familar with the WCO on the roster after the bye week. Maybe sooner. -- my opinion
Only if Campbell gets hurt.

[skinsfan36]

noone should fear him.next year he will be looking for work

[give_portis_the_rock]

noone should fear him.next year he will be looking for work

And don't be surprised if he leads a team like Miami, Tennessee, Charlotte, or San Francisco to a better record than us.

[redskin_rich]

And don't be surprised if he leads a team like Miami, Tennessee, Charlotte, or San Francisco to a better record than us.Interesting observation. I can definitely see Miami, Tennessee and Carolina being interested but not so much San Fran.

[colkurtz]

JC is playing better this season. But he's not winning games. He will continue to play as our QB while Zorn is the HC. When JC goes to another team after this season, I predict that he will not be a starter. He'll be a journeyman QB, that's it.

We're on our fifth season with JC as the QB. We can't win with him at the helm. He's had masters of offense and dunces of offense as the OC, but JC just can't win. He isn't a leader, he can't hit the long ball and he can't win a game on his own.

At some point this season, Jason will be replaced and I believe our team play will go up. Collins will play better. At some point you just have to try something else to try to win games. Time to try something NEW. He's had his time.

[redskin_rich]

JC is playing better this season. But he's not winning games. He will continue to play as our QB while Zorn is the HC. When JC goes to another team after this season, I predict that he will not be a starter. He'll be a journeyman QB, that's it.

We're on our fifth season with JC as the QB. We can't win with him at the helm. He's had masters of offense and dunces of offense as the OC, but JC just can't win. He isn't a leader, he can't hit the long ball and he can't win a game on his own.

At some point this season, Jason will be replaced and I believe our team play will go up. Collins will play better. At some point you just have to try something else to try to win games. Time to try something NEW. He's had his time.
Change for the sake of change is not usually good. Jason is not playing badly. Yes, he is missing some things but those things are being magnified because we have no margin of error. Jason is playing better than 2/3rds of the starting QB's in the league right now and he is doing it without a running game, a dysfunctional O-Line, unreliable receivers- other than Cooley and ARE who don't stretch the field , terrible defense and play calling that resembles a game of pin the tale on the donkey.

What makes you so sure that Collins can do any better? This is not the system he spent ten years mastering, he has a weak arm and no mobility. The only things he is better than Jason at are a quicker release- which is somewhat negated with his lack of velocity, quicker decision making- which may not help him as much in this less familiar system and lack of time to get through his reads. Not to mention, the run option, which Jason can do very well and should go to more often, is gone with Collins.

I've been one of Jason's biggest critics but he is one of the few parts of our offense that is giving us a chance to win right now.

[give_portis_the_rock]

Interesting observation. I can definitely see Miami, Tennessee and Carolina being interested but not so much San Fran.

Yeah for some reason Mike Singletary loves Shaun Hill. But San Fran would be a scary team with JC. They already have a good defence and dominant running game...

[Hr fan]

Dan Steinberg blogged about it here (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/rodney_harrison_calls_jason_ca.html)

Harrison is just trying to make noise as a commentator, but Tony Dungy's comments in the discussion were more telling:

"Well, I'm not going to blame it all on the quarterback," Tony Dungy chimed in. "He threw for a lot of yards today; they're having trouble scoring. But I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They've got to build a team concept there....And it's not always getting the best players, it's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in. And right now they don't have confidence."

So:
1) Do you agree with Harrison?
2) Or do you think Dungy has the more correct diagnosis?

I tend to agree w/ Dungy.

Ditto. Dungy and others far more respected than Harrison tend to lay the blame at the top, not the bottom. And until the problems above him are resolved it is both useless to blame any QB (or player) or expect any player change to produce a savior.

[MDBluefinCrab]

The problem is that if you agree that Zorn's playcalling is horrible, then you can't honestly say that its Campbell's fault or that he'll never amount to anything.[/QUOTE]

Yes I can

[akhhorus]

Yes I can

Yes, you can write those words together, but its hard to take that opinion without sounding like you just want to dump on Campbell regardless of facts. Zorn's playing calling is killing the running game also, thats not Campbell's fault and shows the real problem with the offense. I'm not saying that Campbell is a star being suppressed by circumstance, but its pretty clear that he's not the cause of the problems.

[oldskinfan]

I'm not saying that Campbell is a star being suppressed by circumstance, but its pretty clear that he's not the cause of the problems.

Knowing Akh has been pretty critical of Campbell in the past, I think he's given it quite a bit of thought in this case.

You can't fault Campbell for the THREE out of place gimmick calls:
1) Randel El option
2) Portis option
3) Hook and ladder instead of going for the end-zone

These are plays you use later in the season after your QB has established himself. Bad play calling, no doubt.

[GrouchyHOG]

On Sunday I saw two quarterbacks with very limited play calling due to their abilities to perform all the team’s offensive plays. One team has a five year veteran and the other has only two years under his belt. I would think that after five years our QB would have adapted to the NFL, but has not. I’m going to have to agree with Harrison JC is a good backup.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

On Sunday I saw two quarterbacks with very limited play calling due to their abilities to perform all the team’s offensive plays. One team has a five year veteran and the other has only two years under his belt. I would think that after five years our QB would have adapted to the NFL, but has not. I’m going to have to agree with Harrison JC is a good backup.

I'm confused by your post. Are you saying Zorn is limiting his play calling because of Campbell? I remember a Lions game where Zorn completely abandoned the run and threw 40 times. Was that an example of Zorn limiting his play calling because of Campbell?

I remember an in game quote from Zorn during the Rams game (you're not going to get a more truthful moment from a coach), where he said he was going to try to run it in inside the redzone because Zorn didn't trust the receivers to catch the passes Campbell was throwing since the Skins already dropped two touchdowns. Is that an example of Zorn limiting his play calling because of Campbell?

Your post just isn't true.

[RedskinsDave]

Each week I guess Harrison will make some inflammatory comment to stay in the conversation. One of these weeks he will drink a big cup of STFU.