Who Would You Hire?

[Dept_of_Defense]

If Zorn gets canned at the end of the season......who would you hire out of these available Super Bowl coaches and why:

-Bill Cowher
-Mike Holmgren
-Mike Shanahan
-Jon Gruden
-Brian Billick
-Other

I'm going to go with Gruden. His teams always play hard nosed defense and I have confidence with what he'd do with the new QB we'll draft next year....... he's just a tough SOB that I wouldn't want to piss off.....EXACTLY what this lockeroom needs........

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I'll come back to this when my head is clear. The mere thought of Brian Billick coaching the Skins just ruined me......

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Other... Russ Grimm.

From the ones in the list, maybe Shanahan

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I'll come back to this when my head is clear. The mere thought of Brian Billick coaching the Skins just ruined me......
Agree... Just disturbing....

[Dept_of_Defense]

Other... Russ Grimm.

From the ones in the list, maybe Shanahan

Russ Grimm is a good choice. If he got the job I would want him to come out first day in full gear and just start pounding people...

[Santheb]

I voted Cowher assuming he comes with his hand-picked GM from Pittsburgh's FO.

edit: and I disagree with your assessment of Gruden. Yeah his Bucs' teams played hard-nosed D, but that wasn't his side of the ball at all. That was Tony Dungy and then after he left, Monte Kiffin.

[Dept_of_Defense]

I voted Cowher assuming he comes with his hand-picked GM from Pittsburgh's FO.

edit: and I disagree with your assessment of Gruden. Yeah his Bucs' teams played hard-nosed D, but that wasn't his side of the ball at all. That was Tony Dungy and then after he left, Monte Kiffin.

You're right. Gruden wasn't responsible for the defense, but having great defenses all those years makes me feel better knowing that he appreciates what that's like. Having the great defensive coordinators that he had was a great privilege and i'm sure it taught him that he has to be able to rely on his defense.........which we are incapable of doing this year.

[joethefan]

The only way Snyder would go after Grimm is to sell more tickets to keep you bound....


Grimm has no experience calling plays does he. Most offensive coaches call their own plays and most Defensive coaches allow the offensive Coordinator to call the plays.....Google states that grimm has only been an oline coach. Not enough IMO...no more projects...its time to get someone that has experience on the sideline, and managing an entire team.

we can't do another first timer here with the hopes that he can get it done...we need someone that is not afraid of snyder and not afraid to be who he is....Dungy is not coming back...not here anyway....

IMO....holmgren or Shanny....

[SkinsKY]

You're right. Gruden wasn't responsible for the defense, but having great defenses all those years makes me feel better knowing that he appreciates what that's like. Having the great defensive coordinators that he had was a great privilege and i'm sure it taught him that he has to be able to rely on his defense.........which we are incapable of doing this year.

I disagree with your other point as well. Gruden has never developed a QB. He's gotten some decent ones, but never grown a good one one himself. He'd be fiery, but it would still be told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[joethefan]

IMO if people are gonna mention Grimm, there should be a poll of up and coming head coaches as well. Grimm would be the fan favorite, but i'm not sure he has the experience of managing an entire team..(w snyder running around)...but what other OC's or DC are out there that could do better than Zorn?...

[hail2skins]

The only way Snyder would go after Grimm is to sell more tickets to keep you bound....


Grimm has no experience calling plays does he. Most offensive coaches call their own plays and most Defensive coaches allow the offensive Coordinator to call the plays.....Google states that grimm has only been an oline coach. Not enough IMO...no more projects...its time to get someone that has experience on the sideline, and managing an entire team.

we can't do another first timer here with the hopes that he can get it done...we need someone that is not afraid of snyder and not afraid to be who he is....Dungy is not coming back...not here anyway....

IMO....holmgren or Shanny....Is it possible that Grimm would hire someone to call plays for him? Also, I'm not so sure all offensive-minded coaches call their own plays. I do recall Andy Reid handing over those duties last year.

As for voting, I'll wait until the season is over.

[Hr fan]

None of them. What we need to begin any recovery process is a GM. The people on the list are coaches. With the example that Zorn/Blache make, aren't we tired of hiring from the bottom up?

[NamVet4]

Voted other. No disrespect intended to DoD, but any coaching choice poll is ludicrous for now. Without a GM, we will be seeing these polls over and over again.
The other: A real Pro Football GM!

[Farmer Ted]

I went with Cowher. I figure if he came to DC, he wouldn't let Danny pull the strings (at least for part of the first off-season). He'd put in his system, which is still working with the Steelers. I wouldn't mind Holmgren for the offensive continuity. I wouldn't want anyone else on the list, and especially not Grimm, for the reasons JTF said. We all saw what happened when Petitbon became HC. Looongtime assistants with unimpressive career arcs (Zorn on line 4) are not good HC candidates, imo. I fear that Grimm would be way in over his head. He probably wouldn't get along with Danny, either, and wouldn't have the clout to back it up. He'd just be another 1-2 year coaching experiment-turned-disaster (by my count, that would be #4).

[JasonCampbell]

I'd still rather have a young, hungry, qualified coordinator that has never been a HC before, but considering the disaster that Zorn is becoming, Snyder will probably go the re-tread route. So from that list:

1. Bill Cowher
2. Mike Holmgren
3. Jon Gruden

No:

Mike Shanahan
Brian Billick

[BurgundyNGold]

Cowher from that list.

Shanny and Grimm would be on my short list for interviews, as well.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

i'll go with cowher,anybody else would just be delaying the inevitable.
gruden is a jerk man,sorry!there is a reason why nobody called him and interviewed him for a head coaching job when he got canned in tampa bay.

[oldskinfan]

I'll come back to this when my head is clear. The mere thought of Brian Billick coaching the Skins just ruined me......

+1

"They should throw a fade route to Kelly Malcolm..."
"Brian, that's Malcolm Kelly..."

[RedskinsDave]

It won't matter who is doing the cooking so long as Danny and Cross-eyes are buying the groceries.

I know it would never happen but I'd want AJ Smith or Bill Polian first.

[akhhorus]

Cowher in a perfect world.

What has Grimm done to show he's remotely ready for being a head coach?

[oldskinfan]

I sort of like Chucky's intensity.
But none of these hires solve the front office problem of Fantasy League management.

[redskin_rich]

Cowher in a perfect world.

What has Grimm done to show he's remotely ready for being a head coach?

He has been Asst HC, 2nd in command on two Super Bowl teams. That's a hell of a lot more qualified than what we have now. I wouldn't want Grimm though. I don't want any past Redskins legends tainted by Snyder's stink.

[akhhorus]

He has been Asst HC, 2nd in command on two Super Bowl teams. That's a hell of a lot more qualified than what we have now. I wouldn't want Grimm though. I don't want any past Redskins legends tainted by Snyder's stink.

He hasn't been a full coordinator, Whisenhunt called the plays on both of those Super bowl teams, that "assistant HC" title seems like more fluff than responsibility imo. He might make a great Oline coach(Pittsburgh's oline hasn't been the same since he left), but I wouldn't support him as a HC candidate unless a smart personnel man running the FO wanted him as HC.

[redskin_rich]

He hasn't been a full coordinator, Whisenhunt called the plays on both of those Super bowl teams, that "assistant HC" title seems like more fluff than responsibility imo. He might make a great Oline coach(Pittsburgh's oline hasn't been the same since he left), but I wouldn't support him as a HC candidate unless a smart personnel man running the FO wanted him as HC.
You don't have to be a play caller to be a HC and I'm quite sure Grimm wouldn't try doing something he has never specialized in.
Anyways, Grimm seems better suited as the 2nd man on the team and he is a fine O-Line coach.
It would be cool to have a HC that I have done tequila shots with, lol.

[shally]

I'll come back to this when my head is clear. The mere thought of Brian Billick coaching the Skins just ruined me......

+1

we need time to see what the options really are.. and whether there will be ANY kind of substantive change at the GM level

[shally]

He has been Asst HC, 2nd in command on two Super Bowl teams. That's a hell of a lot more qualified than what we have now. I wouldn't want Grimm though. I don't want any past Redskins legends tainted by Snyder's stink.

He hasn't been a full coordinator, Whisenhunt called the plays on both of those Super bowl teams, that "assistant HC" title seems like more fluff than responsibility imo. He might make a great Oline coach(Pittsburgh's oline hasn't been the same since he left), but I wouldn't support him as a HC candidate unless a smart personnel man running the FO wanted him as HC.

You don't have to be a play caller to be a HC and I'm quite sure Grimm wouldn't try doing something he has never specialized in.
Anyways, Grimm seems better suited as the 2nd man on the team and he is a fine O-Line coach.
It would be cool to have a HC that I have done tequila shots with, lol.

i am sure they said most of the same things about chuck noll... you just dont know until a guy actually gets the chance to peform at the HC level..

gary kubiak should be one of the better HC's based upon his preparation as an OC... hasnt worked out that way.. Norv has always been a better OC than HC...george seiffert, romeo crennel, charlie weis, Mooch, Man-gina, denny green-- were all "geniuses" at the coordinator position.. didnt exactly happen for them as HC's

you just never know

[Farmer Ted]

gary kubiak should be one of the better HC's based upon his preparation as an OC... hasnt worked out that way.. Norv has always been a better OC than HC...george seiffert, romeo crennel, charlie weis, Mooch, Man-gina, denny green-- were all "geniuses" at the coordinator position.. didnt exactly happen for them as HC's

you just never know

Joe Bugel and Jim Hanifan were two of the greatest O-line coaches of all time. I'm not too sure how well Hanifan did as a head coach, but we all know how it worked out for Bugel.

[Gravy]

...what would it take for Danny to throw himself on the feet of Bill Polian? I am afraid of the answer!

[ClubSandwichGuy]

If we keep Jason Campbell then I want Cowher. If we don't I want Holmgren.

And I want nothing to do with Shanahan at all.

[LATrueRedskin]

Bill Cowher, because I like his style and because we'll have a different GM as well. One who doesn't flash his "rings".

[culpeper]

I'd still rather have a young, hungry, qualified coordinator that has never been a HC before, but considering the disaster that Zorn is becoming, Snyder will probably go the re-tread route. So from that list:

1. Bill Cowher
2. Mike Holmgren
3. Jon Gruden

No:

Mike Shanahan
Brian Billick

I agree with this, but I dont think Cowher is coming here. Id take Gruden then Holmgren (assuming he does not want too much power, hes an awful GM) and then between Grimm and Herm Edwards. John Fox would top my list if Carolina dumps him.

I always wanted Singletary myself. If you have a locker room full of men, you need a man amongst men to run it...

Hell, I would even give BMitch a spot, maybe "quality control (uncontrol)" lol

ANYBODY BUT SHANAHAN...

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

if cowher can work out a way for snyder to be out of the day to day on field activity and scouting ofthe redskins,he'll come.it all depends on how bad snyder wants to let somebody else bring the team back to it's proud status without his(snyder's) doing anything but signing checks!:readme::devil1:

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

i personally think,jon gruden is holding out for the notre dame job because he has stated before that would be his dream job.

[Redskin-4-life]

I'll pick Cowher, This team needs a no nonsense coach that won't settle for
mediocrity.

[brettsky991]

I'd go with Cowher. It would be fun to see him get all worked up and spit in Danny boys face:sun:

[joethefan]

the next question is does anyone of those mentioned would want to come here?...

[GibbsFan]

I don't think Cowher will come here, either. Out of the group listed he would be my top choice. But I don't think he is stupid enough to come here. In Pittsburgh he had a great front office support structure. He would be totally screwed here.

Holmgren's a guy who wants total control. If he comes here he won't have any control. Reality says he will never coach here. IMO he is overated anyway. He should have been able to accomplish much more in Seattle, with that weak division over the years.

Gruden might be the next place The Danny goes. He's not a bad HC, but I hope we end up going in another direction. He has won his SB, and I just don't think he has the same fire he had when he got to TB.

Shanny can go to the Cowboys for all I care. He looks shitfaced most of the time, and if he comes to Washington he will look that way all the time.

Billick sucks, Fassel sucks, why do these names even come up? If we must go back to retread land, then bring back Marty. At least he has balls, and if had the time could have made us a winner. Something he's done everywhere he has been.

If it was me doing the hiring, I would look for the biggest ahole around. He would have to be a motivational coach, because the roster in Washington is just way too satisfied cashing their game checks and laughing all the way to the bank. He needs to have big balls and a big ego to keep management and the team in check. Most of all he must demand it from everyone in the organization.

[colkurtz]

I like russ Grimm being part of our franchise but the big issue is having a HC who has the history of a SB win; the moxie of a prior winning HC; and the guts to tell Danny Snyder what he really thinks and to get what he wants.

BL - he's got to start from DAY 1 as the undisputed HC of this team - and a guy who is calling ALL the shots as HC. There must be NO leftovers from before unless our new HC wants them.

I'd also like a GM, but I NEVER see Snyderrato giving up that much power. Danny would rather have a losing team that where he can keep his fingers in the pie - versus a winning franchise where he just watches and signs the checks.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Wow, I'm surprised so many of you want Cowher. He hasn't coached since 2006, and I think that the success that Tomlin has had right off the bat is more of a credit to the players they had in place when he took over. No disrespect to Tomlin, I think he's a great coach, but he took over a team with an incredible defense, and solid veteran players that are still motivated and willing to work hard.....

My reasons for Gruden aren't solid, more of a gut instinct that he definitely still has the fire he had in Tampa, even moreso now after being out of the game for a year. I would go Holmgren next, then it would be a coinflip for Cowher or Shanahan.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

the next question is does anyone of those mentioned would want to come here?...

i think they would,but certainly not in the middle of the season.unless snyder replaces zorn in week 8 with an interm coach,we will have to wait till the season is over to find out.

[MDBluefinCrab]

Unless this owner keeps his dirty little fingers out of the team, it's not going to matter who they bring in here and I'll guarantee you that no HC, with any credibility, will come here unless Snyder lets go of the team.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Cowher's going to Carolina imo, he has a mansion in Raleigh, his daughter goes to school there and I gotta believe he'd never work for Snyder. Shannahan if they dont get outbid by the cowboys, Holmgren will likely be coach if they want to improve on the WC idea and Shanny goes to lil d, and Chucky if all else fails...cant see Billick or another "new" head coach coming.

[skins74]

I would hire a real GM and then let them hire the coaches.

[Gravy]

...I have changed my mind...let's keep Zorn. 16 points is an improvement over 14 points.

[Dept_of_Defense]

I just love Chucky's intensity. He'll light you up if you mess up.

[X-Factor13]

I just love Chucky's intensity. He'll light you up if you mess up.

i would prefer gruden as well. all i have to say is he is the ONLY coach ever to coach BOTH teams in one superbowl!

[Monk4HOF]

I think any of these guys with a real GM would provide some legitimacy to the organization. I tend to lean towards Holmgren. His teams always seemed to exhibit the attributes that the Skins have lacked for the past 15 years... mistake-free, precise execution of the play that is called. And he is definitely a true HEAD coach... not an offensive or defensive coordinator who turns his back to the other side of the ball. Finally, he seems to really want to coach again, and specifically in the NFC East.

[skinsfan36]

shannahan but wouldnt mind most of those guys. billick?are you serious.

[Dept_of_Defense]

shannahan but wouldnt mind most of those guys. billick?are you serious.

I had to throw Billick in there.......C'mon now, we were considering Fassel at one point....

[helimech24]

I am so surprised that a lot of you guys don't want Shanahan...All he ever did was win in Denver with RBs that no one else wanted. He had an open offense and just needed a DC to help him out.

A lot of ya'll want Gruden to come here...if we are getting a new QB, he is the wrong choice! How well did Sims work out or any of the other young guys in his yearly rotation? When he won the SB, it was with Brad Johnson and he had Rich Gannon in Oakland

Mike Holmgren wouldn't be bad, but I think the only reason he won in GB is because of Favre and couldn't back it up in Seattle.

Bill Cowher would be ok too, but I think some of the guys got it right that it was the players that won it for him in the end....because Tomlin is still winning with that team!

The only way Grimm gets to come here is if Snyder takes a look up 295 to see how the Ravens are running their team with HC that has no experience calling plays...HIRE A OC AND A DC and let the HC run the team as a whole and NOT the OFFENSE, HC, AND QB COACH...When exactly does Zorn have time to prepare for the Freakin game when he has 3 jobs!

LOL...rant a little unexpected!:moon2:

[Monk81]

Cowher hands down. He would rid this team of over priced prima donnas and build a tough hard nosed team.

[Irish Redskin]

Could you imagine Portis calling out Cowher?

LOL!

[joethefan]

Could you imagine Portis calling out Cowher?

LOL!


No....and if that happens, You can imagine Portis on another team? I can...

[Hr fan]

I like russ Grimm being part of our franchise but the big issue is having a HC who has the history of a SB win; the moxie of a prior winning HC; and the guts to tell Danny Snyder what he really thinks and to get what he wants.

BL - he's got to start from DAY 1 as the undisputed HC of this team - and a guy who is calling ALL the shots as HC. There must be NO leftovers from before unless our new HC wants them.

I'd also like a GM, but I NEVER see Snyderrato giving up that much power. Danny would rather have a losing team that where he can keep his fingers in the pie - versus a winning franchise where he just watches and signs the checks.

Then he will always have a mediocre to losing team. Getting players through rep that don't fit the schemes of your coaches = no schemes, nothing to buy into, apathy, etc. We are seeing this right now. Under the circumstances I would suspect any coach who would come here as long as snyderatto has ANY football role in the team.

[smoak]

Grimm.

But no choices matter unless Snyder backs away, sells, or dies.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

Could you imagine Portis calling out Cowher?

LOL!

were that to happen,i bet cowher would strap his pads back on and go head to head with cp in practice.i don't think that would happen because unlike zorn,cowher has a reputation as a winning coach at the highest level.zorn was never anything more than a qb coach!

[LATrueRedskin]

Could you imagine Portis calling out Cowher?

LOL!

That would be a sight to see.

[dj_stouty]

I think the correct answer is; "Hire a GM and let him decide". If it were up to me, I'd go with Cowher. He seems to have a good idea of how a football team should operate and we are in dire need of some organizational change. Due to this, I'd give him a long leash and keep the expectations for the first 2-3 seasons fairly low while he cleans house and rebuilds. Plus, the guy is only 52...and a bit younger than Shanny and a whole lot younger than Holmgren. He has a lot of coaching left in him.

No thanks to Holmgren. I think he is too close to hanging it up for good and this would be a temporary swan-song for him.

No thanks to Shanny. His ego gets in the way many time and makes wild decisions for no other reason than for people to think he is some sort of wizard or maverick.

It pains me to say it, but I think I could live with Chucky. I've gained a lot of respect for him since he joined the MNF broadcast team. The guy clearly knows his x's and o's and seems pretty knowledgable about today's most innovative offensive and defensive schemes. Plus, he doesn't put up with any crap and it would be a nice change to see a Redskins coaching staff holding the locker room reigns than the players.

If I had to put them in order...

1. Cowher
2. Chucky
3. Shanny
4. Holmgren

[BurgundyNGold]

I think the correct answer is; "Hire a GM and let him decide". If it were up to me, I'd go with Cowher. He seems to have a good idea of how a football team should operate and we are in dire need of some organizational change. Due to this, I'd give him a long leash and keep the expectations for the first 2-3 seasons fairly low while he cleans house and rebuilds. Plus, the guy is only 52...and a bit younger than Shanny and a whole lot younger than Holmgren. He has a lot of coaching left in him.

No thanks to Holmgren. I think he is too close to hanging it up for good and this would be a temporary swan-song for him.

No thanks to Shanny. His ego gets in the way many time and makes wild decisions for no other reason than for people to think he is some sort of wizard or maverick.

It pains me to say it, but I think I could live with Chucky. I've gained a lot of respect for him since he joined the MNF broadcast team. The guy clearly knows his x's and o's and seems pretty knowledgable about today's most innovative offensive and defensive schemes. Plus, he doesn't put up with any crap and it would be a nice change to see a Redskins coaching staff holding the locker room reigns than the players.

If I had to put them in order...

1. Cowher
2. Chucky
3. Shanny
4. Holmgren
Why Chucky over Shanny? You don't think Chucky's ego isn't a problem, as well? Also, I don't recall more than one player and coach calling Shanny a "fraud".

[Gunnar]

If Zorn gets canned at the end of the season......who would you hire out of these available Super Bowl coaches and why:

-Bill Cowher
-Mike Holmgren
-Mike Shanahan
-Jon Gruden
-Brian Billick
-Other

I'm going to go with Gruden. His teams always play hard nosed defense and I have confidence with what he'd do with the new QB we'll draft next year....... he's just a tough SOB that I wouldn't want to piss off.....EXACTLY what this lockeroom needs........

I also want Gruden but he will go hard after Tebow that is dream QB . His defense is strong and also likes the running game. I think he has the what it takes to win in the NFC East and has proven he can win in the NFL.

Cowher been away from the game to long and Shannahan weak defenses. Billick is not bad my second choice. Holmgem i hope not.


Jon Gruden
Overall: 95 - 81
Playoffs: 5 - 4


1998 OAK 8 - 8 - 0 , 1999 OAK 8 - 8 - 0 , 2000 OAK 12 - 4 - 0 , 2001 OAK 10 - 6 - 0 ,
2002 TAM 12 - 4 - 0, 2003 TAM 7 - 9 - 0 -
2004 TAM 5 - 11 - 0 ,2005 TAM 11 - 5 - 0 ,2006 TAM 4 - 12 - 0 , 2007 TAM 9 - 7 - 0 ,2008 TAM 9 - 7 - 0 .


Bill Cowher
Overall: 149 - 90
Playoffs: 12 - 9

1992 PIT 11 - 5 - 0
1993 PIT 9 - 7 - 0
1994 PIT 12 - 4 - 0
1995 PIT 11 - 5 - 0
1996 PIT 10 - 6 - 0
1997 PIT 11 - 5 - 0
1998 PIT 7 - 9 - 0
1999 PIT 6 - 10 - 0
2000 PIT 9 - 7 - 0
2001 PIT 13 - 3 - 0
2002 PIT 10 - 5 - 1
2003 PIT 6 - 10 - 0
2004 PIT 15 - 1 - 0
2005 PIT 11 - 5 - 0
2006 PIT 8 - 8 - 0

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I want the next coach to be about the right attitude. There are very few coaches who get the right mix of fear, respect and love from their players. Parcells and Belichick are two. The media can say what they want about those guys. Other than select players with an axe to grind, all you hear is praise from former players about those coaches. The other one in or close to that group is Cowher. Cowher was loved, feared and respected by his team.

[IH Brave]

I like Gruden as head coach. I like his fire and the Chucky facial expressions. I think we need that kind of attitude here in DC. Plus he's the youngest of the ones listed (if I'm not mistaken).

[RedskinRyan]

Other... Russ Grimm.

From the ones in the list, maybe Shanahan

Thank you on Russ Grimm. I hired him as my coach in Madden.

1.) Russ Grimm
2.) Mike Holmgrem

[helimech24]

I also want Gruden but he will go hard after Tebow that is dream QB . His defense is strong and also likes the running game. I think he has the what it takes to win in the NFC East and has proven he can win in the NFL.

Cowher been away from the game to long and Shannahan weak defenses. Billick is not bad my second choice. Holmgem i hope not.


Jon Gruden
Overall: 95 - 81
Playoffs: 5 - 4


1998 OAK 8 - 8 - 0 , 1999 OAK 8 - 8 - 0 , 2000 OAK 12 - 4 - 0 , 2001 OAK 10 - 6 - 0 ,
2002 TAM 12 - 4 - 0, 2003 TAM 7 - 9 - 0 -
2004 TAM 5 - 11 - 0 ,2005 TAM 11 - 5 - 0 ,2006 TAM 4 - 12 - 0 , 2007 TAM 9 - 7 - 0 ,2008 TAM 9 - 7 - 0 .

Bill Cowher
Overall: 149 - 90
Playoffs: 12 - 9

1992 PIT 11 - 5 - 0
1993 PIT 9 - 7 - 0
1994 PIT 12 - 4 - 0
1995 PIT 11 - 5 - 0
1996 PIT 10 - 6 - 0
1997 PIT 11 - 5 - 0
1998 PIT 7 - 9 - 0
1999 PIT 6 - 10 - 0
2000 PIT 9 - 7 - 0
2001 PIT 13 - 3 - 0
2002 PIT 10 - 5 - 1
2003 PIT 6 - 10 - 0
2004 PIT 15 - 1 - 0
2005 PIT 11 - 5 - 0
2006 PIT 8 - 8 - 0
This looks too much like our situation right now...decent year, bad year, decent year, bad year...I don't mind hiccups every 3-4 seasons...but he has too much of a trend. Plus I don't like that he really never developed a young QB on his team

[Dept_of_Defense]

Listening to Chucky on MNF just makes me want him even more here in DC....I question Cowher's commitment if he comes here only because I think the only place he would want to coach is in Carolina....He wants to be close to family....he's shown absollutely no signs of even wanting to come back. Would the Snyd give him the power he wants??? Doubt it.

[Death_Venom]

Listening to Chucky on MNF just makes me want him even more here in DC....I question Cowher's commitment if he comes here only because I think the only place he would want to coach is in Carolina....He wants to be close to family....he's shown absollutely no signs of even wanting to come back. Would the Snyd give him the power he wants??? Doubt it.

The only I quesion in reference to Chucky is his love affair with the "wildcat" formation. From what I have seen it can be very effective if you have a decent o-line.....

[Dept_of_Defense]

The only I quesion in reference to Chucky is his love affair with the "wildcat" formation. From what I have seen it can be very effective if you have a decent o-line.....

As atrocious as our offense has been forever, I'll take anything that works and puts points on the board...I just want to be able to consistently put up more than 20 points per game.......Like we've been saying for years and years, I think if we score 21 or more points a game, we win the majority of our games....our defense won't be wore out from 99 yard drives from a rookie qbs, and I have confidence that they can consistently keep teams under 20 points per game.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I like the idea brought up on ESPN pregame this past Sunday, by Mort I believe it was. Holmgren as GM and Gruden as coach. While I don't really think Gruden is the best X's and O's coach, I think the Skins need a coach to come in here and rule with an iron fist. We need to get rid of the country club, come to DC and be overpaid and not accountable atmosphere that has been instilled by Snyder. I think Gruden could be the man to do that. I think Holmgren could be a good GM if that was his only role. Plus Gruden is from the Holmgren coaching tree so he probably would have a good idea what Gruden would need in terms of players.

Edit: I also think Gruden would be less prone to come to DC just for a payday, as I easily could see the others doing given their age and accomplishments. I think Gruden would have more chance of staying long term, which is crucial IMO.

[dj_stouty]

Why Chucky over Shanny? You don't think Chucky's ego isn't a problem, as well? Also, I don't recall more than one player and coach calling Shanny a "fraud".

Shanny's ego has rubbed me the wrong way for years...and its one of the reasons I despise the Broncos. Chucky over Shanny is just a personal preference for me...but for the record, I'd take either one of them right this second over Zorn.

I'm curious; who called Chucky a fraud...?

[joethefan]

I think the correct answer is; "Hire a GM and let him decide". If it were up to me, I'd go with Cowher. He seems to have a good idea of how a football team should operate and we are in dire need of some organizational change. Due to this, I'd give him a long leash and keep the expectations for the first 2-3 seasons fairly low while he cleans house and rebuilds. Plus, the guy is only 52...and a bit younger than Shanny and a whole lot younger than Holmgren. He has a lot of coaching left in him.

No thanks to Holmgren. I think he is too close to hanging it up for good and this would be a temporary swan-song for him.

No thanks to Shanny. His ego gets in the way many time and makes wild decisions for no other reason than for people to think he is some sort of wizard or maverick.

It pains me to say it, but I think I could live with Chucky. I've gained a lot of respect for him since he joined the MNF broadcast team. The guy clearly knows his x's and o's and seems pretty knowledgable about today's most innovative offensive and defensive schemes. Plus, he doesn't put up with any crap and it would be a nice change to see a Redskins coaching staff holding the locker room reigns than the players.

If I had to put them in order...

1. Cowher
2. Chucky
3. Shanny
4. Holmgren

Snyder would have to buy new doors and hinges to stop clinton fro running in his office complaining....they'd have to put a daily column in the post to list portis's complaints....IMO....doesn't make it right but the new guy would not stand for that and the sad question is will danny put up with it....

He loves portis sooo much, would he allow anyone come in and put portis and the gang in check....I sure hope so..

[joethefan]

I like the idea brought up on ESPN pregame this past Sunday, by Mort I believe it was. Holmgren as GM and Gruden as coach. While I don't really think Gruden is the best X's and O's coach, I think the Skins need a coach to come in here and rule with an iron fist. We need to get rid of the country club, come to DC and be overpaid and not accountable atmosphere that has been instilled by Snyder. I think Gruden could be the man to do that. I think Holmgren could be a good GM if that was his only role. Plus Gruden is from the Holmgren coaching tree so he probably would have a good idea what Gruden would need in terms of players.

Edit: I also think Gruden would be less prone to come to DC just for a payday, as I easily could see the others doing given their age and accomplishments. I think Gruden would have more chance of staying long term, which is crucial IMO.


good post, I could do that...lets send this to Danny....

[BurgundyNGold]

Shanny's ego has rubbed me the wrong way for years...and its one of the reasons I despise the Broncos. Chucky over Shanny is just a personal preference for me...but for the record, I'd take either one of them right this second over Zorn.
MONK_in_HOF quoted a floating idea that had Holmgren as GM and Chucky as coach. While I would prefer a young, up and coming FO guy as a GM and Cowher as HC, I could get behind a Holmgren/Chucky ticket.

Of course, none of this matters if the Sub .500 Napoleon doesn't get -- and stay -- completely out of the way.

I'm curious; who called Chucky a fraud...?
Some of his players and at least one of his assistants. I'll see if I can find some links on that.

[Moe]

I am so surprised that a lot of you guys don't want Shanahan...All he ever did was win in Denver with RBs that no one else wanted. He had an open offense and just needed a DC to help him out.

He had a spotty draft recrod and won bupkis after Davis went down. In addition, he churned through 4 DC's in his last 6 years there, which is a tad extreme and makes me think that maybe the problem wasn't all on that side of things.

A lot of ya'll want Gruden to come here...if we are getting a new QB, he is the wrong choice! How well did Sims work out or any of the other young guys in his yearly rotation? When he won the SB, it was with Brad Johnson and he had Rich Gannon in Oakland

Chucky is appealing in that he is intense and young(er), but after his SB win he was annually up and down and his constant QB tinkering in light of the unsettled nature of that position on the Skins makes me think it'd be a long learning curve (yet again).

Mike Holmgren wouldn't be bad, but I think the only reason he won in GB is because of Favre and couldn't back it up in Seattle.

Favre himself credits Holmgren for turning him into the success that he was with them. Further Holmgren developed Hasselbeck and was a questionable call away from winning a Championship with that team.

Bill Cowher would be ok too, but I think some of the guys got it right that it was the players that won it for him in the end....because Tomlin is still winning with that team!

I don't see Cowher getting the control he'd want and I just have a feeling that the time away might have taken the edge of him. No way to back that up, just a gut feeling.

The only way Grimm gets to come here is if Snyder takes a look up 295 to see how the Ravens are running their team with HC that has no experience calling plays...HIRE A OC AND A DC and let the HC run the team as a whole and NOT the OFFENSE, HC, AND QB COACH...When exactly does Zorn have time to prepare for the Freakin game when he has 3 jobs!


Grimm tugs at the heartstings and would be a great PR move for SNyder, but like others have said, what has he done to suggest that he can do the job? He was the favored incumbent in Pitt and they let him walk, he interviewed a few times for the Chicago job but Lovie got it, etc. Maybe those experiences have taught him a lot, but I'd have my reservations.

[Gravy]

I like the idea brought up on ESPN pregame this past Sunday, by Mort I believe it was. Holmgren as GM and Gruden as coach. While I don't really think Gruden is the best X's and O's coach, I think the Skins need a coach to come in here and rule with an iron fist. We need to get rid of the country club, come to DC and be overpaid and not accountable atmosphere that has been instilled by Snyder. I think Gruden could be the man to do that. I think Holmgren could be a good GM if that was his only role. Plus Gruden is from the Holmgren coaching tree so he probably would have a good idea what Gruden would need in terms of players.

Edit: I also think Gruden would be less prone to come to DC just for a payday, as I easily could see the others doing given their age and accomplishments. I think Gruden would have more chance of staying long term, which is crucial IMO.

I guess my questions would be: What is Holmgreen's track record for drafting and scouting? Do you really think he would come given what Dan has done over the last 10 years? If he does become GM...is it a possibility that he keeps Zorn?

[dj_stouty]

MONK_in_HOF quoted a floating idea that had Holmgren as GM and Chucky as coach. While I would prefer a young, up and coming FO guy as a GM and Cowher as HC, I could get behind a Holmgren/Chucky ticket.



Any idea that suggests Vinny being kicked to the curb is A-OK with me...

[Dept_of_Defense]

Any idea that suggests Vinny being kicked to the curb is A-OK with me...

Yeah seriously. He made Matt Millen proud when he drafted our 3 worthless pass catchers in the 2nd round last year.

[Farmer Ted]

I'm curious; who called Chucky a fraud...?

There have been a lot of former players. Warren Sapp is one, but it's hard to take that jackass seriously. But, Simeon Rice is another and also I believe Derrick Brooks.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I guess my questions would be: What is Holmgreen's track record for drafting and scouting? Do you really think he would come given what Dan has done over the last 10 years? If he does become GM...is it a possibility that he keeps Zorn?

His track record is probably less than stellar, but when he was GM he was the coach as well. Not many people have been able to pull off both roles successfully. Actually I can't think of any.

Apparently the whispers are that Holmgren wants to try working on the east coast. I am not sure if those rumors or true, or if he would even want to be a GM as opposed to coaching. I am not sure anybody would WANT to work for Snyder, but money can sway most people.

As for Zorn, the only way I would see him being kept if this were to happen is if he were demoted to OC or back to QB coach.

[MONK_in_HOF]

MONK_in_HOF quoted a floating idea that had Holmgren as GM and Chucky as coach. While I would prefer a young, up and coming FO guy as a GM and Cowher as HC, I could get behind a Holmgren/Chucky ticket.

I would prefer Cowher and a good young GM too. But my gut tells me Cowher would be the least likely to work for Snyder and if he did it would simply be because the money on the table was too much to refuse. Plus the odds of Snyder finding an good, young GM is unlikely.

I also think of all the coaches listed, excluding Billick b/c he shouldn't even be mentioned, that Gruden probably feels he still has the most to prove.


Of course, none of this matters if the Sub .500 Napoleon doesn't get -- and stay -- completely out of the way.


Hilarious. I like that one :beer:

[Skins7ny]

Joe Bugel and Jim Hanifan were two of the greatest O-line coaches of all time. I'm not too sure how well Hanifan did as a head coach, but we all know how it worked out for Bugel.
In fairness to Buges, he had the Cardinals primed for the playoffs when Bidwill fired him. He had changed the roster and gotten that team to the point where it was poised to make a real run when he got canned. I always thought that was a big mistake, and the recent history of the Cardinals would've been different had he not made the move.
...what would it take for Danny to throw himself on the feet of Bill Polian? I am afraid of the answer!
Bill Polian hates Dan Snyder with a passion. And he holds grudges, big-time. He will never do business with the Danny, let alone work for him.
If we keep Jason Campbell then I want Cowher. If we don't I want Holmgren.
And I want nothing to do with Shanahan at all.
I agree about Shanahan. First, he is friends with Vinny, and his arrival probably means that Vinny stays, a la Gibbs 2.0. Second, Shanahan is the only guy out there who can possibly rival Vinny for wasting more of his owner's money on terrible players, and Shanahan also has a pattern of acquiring players who have serious maintanence/psychological/criminal issues, which is something Vinny has actually been pretty good about avoiding.
I agree with this, but I dont think Cowher is coming here. Id take Gruden then Holmgren (assuming he does not want too much power, hes an awful GM) and then between Grimm and Herm Edwards. John Fox would top my list if Carolina dumps him.

I always wanted Singletary myself. If you have a locker room full of men, you need a man amongst men to run it...

Hell, I would even give BMitch a spot, maybe "quality control (uncontrol)" lol

ANYBODY BUT SHANAHAN...
I agree about Shanahan. I don't think Herm Edwards is a very good coach. I agree Cowher is not coming here, for multiple reasons. I would love to see Grimm here, if he is given a real chance to succeed. John Fox is an interesting choice. I don't like Gruden for the same reason as the other posters have said. He seems to collect mediocre QBs and plays musical chairs with them. The main reason he got fired in TB is because he wouldn't settle on a QB, and he basically refused to develop a young QB. That is not what we need here.
...illick sucks, Fassel sucks, why do these names even come up? If we must go back to retread land, then bring back Marty. At least he has balls, and if had the time could have made us a winner. Something he's done everywhere he has been.

If it was me doing the hiring, I would look for the biggest ahole around. He would have to be a motivational coach, because the roster in Washington is just way too satisfied cashing their game checks and laughing all the way to the bank. He needs to have big balls and a big ego to keep management and the team in check. Most of all he must demand it from everyone in the organization.
I never liked Marty, but was glad when we hired him in 2001 because I just wanted someone who would run this organization as a professional football team, not as a clown college. I could live without hope of getting to a Super Bowl right away because I figured we need to get to the poitn where we are a playoff contender first.

Now, 8 years later, I feel the exact same way. Nothing has changed. Which is really depressing.

Cowher hands down. He would rid this team of over priced prima donnas and build a tough hard nosed team.
Only if the power to do so is written into his contract. Like it was with Cowher's mentor, Marty. Cowher would insist on the power to change things being written into his.....never mind.

Then he will always have a mediocre to losing team. Getting players through rep that don't fit the schemes of your coaches = no schemes, nothing to buy into, apathy, etc. We are seeing this right now. Under the circumstances I would suspect any coach who would come here as long as snyderatto has ANY football role in the team.
Vince Lombardi could come back from the dead and bring Tom Landry and Allie Sherman with him as coordinators, and it wouldn't matter so long as Danny is running personnel.
His track record is probably less than stellar, but when he was GM he was the coach as well. Not many people have been able to pull off both roles successfully. [B]Actually I can't think of any.
Jimmy Johnson in Dallass (but not Miami), and (I hate to admit it) Bill Walsh in San Fran. I think that is about it.

[BurgundyNGold]

I would prefer Cowher and a good young GM too. But my gut tells me Cowher would be the least likely to work for Snyder and if he did it would simply be because the money on the table was too much to refuse. Plus the odds of Snyder finding an good, young GM is unlikely.

I also think of all the coaches listed, excluding Billick b/c he shouldn't even be mentioned, that Gruden probably feels he still has the most to prove.
My concern about a good, young GM coning here its that, well, one won't. And even if we got some marginal young FO talent, Danny would ride roughshod over him. In the end, we'd be hating that guy like we hate Vinny. We'd need a seasoned, proven personnel man to come in here. Moreover, he'd need to have a strong personality and balls of steel lol.

[Gravy]

WHAT??? Did I see that correctly on Poll? WHO VOTED FOR BRIAN BILLICK? Wasn't he the Offensive genius with Denny Green that always a medicore offense in B-more...but killer defenses. I really don't know about that guy coming here...I know he won a Superbowl...but ...him staying retired/unemployed means we continue to have awesome beer comericals with him.

[MONK_in_HOF]

My concern about a good, young GM coning here its that, well, one won't. And even if we got some marginal young FO talent, Danny would ride roughshod over him. In the end, we'd be hating that guy like we hate Vinny. We'd need a seasoned, proven personnel man to come in here. Moreover, he'd need to have a strong personality and balls of steel lol.

Totally agree. That is why I kinda liked the Holmgren/Gruden idea when I heard it. Any good young FO talent would be risking career suicide to come here and be Snyder's proxy.

It will be interesting to see what Vinny has to say about Dan if/when he is fired.

[Skins7ny]

Just throwing out a name-
Our old friend Greg Manusky.
He has been coordinating the
49ers defense and working with Mike
Singletary. If we don't go the Coach-with-a-Ring
route, we could do worse than an old Redskin who
has played for Joe Gibbs, Dennis Green and Marty
Schottenheimer. He was a very hard-nosed football
player and special teams ace, and started his coaching
career with us as well. If the 49ers keep playing well,
he might be a rising star in the coaching ranks for those
teams that don't want to go the expensive Super Bowl coach route.

[helimech24]

Yeah seriously. He made Matt Millen proud when he drafted our 3 worthless pass catchers in the 2nd round last year.Matt just wishes that it took Vinney 3 years to do it instead of drafting them all in the same draft, lol. I cannot believe he is on post game show, lol.

[helimech24]

He had a spotty draft recrod and won bupkis after Davis went down. In addition, he churned through 4 DC's in his last 6 years there, which is a tad extreme and makes me think that maybe the problem wasn't all on that side of things. .At least when he sees a problem, he tries to fix it, lol! Unlike we have had here with just waiting on our DC to work out the kinks! But he has always had an offense that was always putting up big numbers, and his system for running the ball was amazing.



Chucky is appealing in that he is intense and young(er), but after his SB win he was annually up and down and his constant QB tinkering in light of the unsettled nature of that position on the Skins makes me think it'd be a long learning curve (yet again)..Totally agree, and is the biggest reason I don't want him here unless Holmgren is the GM.



Favre himself credits Holmgren for turning him into the success that he was with them. Further Holmgren developed Hasselbeck and was a questionable call away from winning a Championship with that team. .OK, the more I thought about this guy, you are completely right that he would be a good pick, as long as we got a DC that was worth a crap.



I don't see Cowher getting the control he'd want and I just have a feeling that the time away might have taken the edge of him. No way to back that up, just a gut feeling. .I really think he isn't in the running because he is waiting on the Carolina job...he would have been a HC already if that were not the case IMO



Grimm tugs at the heartstings and would be a great PR move for SNyder, but like others have said, what has he done to suggest that he can do the job? He was the favored incumbent in Pitt and they let him walk, he interviewed a few times for the Chicago job but Lovie got it, etc. Maybe those experiences have taught him a lot, but I'd have my reservations.Agreed!

[dogfight6]

It doesn't matter who is HC. Dan Snyder is still the owner and the Skins are just a board game to him. However if I had to choose is Conrad Dobler still alive or Jack Tatum at lease they would tell Snyder were to go after he fires them in two weeks.

[Gunnar]

shannahan but wouldnt mind most of those guys. billick?are you serious.


Brian Billick's Coaching Tree : Head Coaches.


Jack Del Rio, Jacksonville Jaguars ,Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals
Mike Nolan, San Francisco 49ers ,Rex Ryan, New York Jets , Mike Singletary, San Francisco 49ers ,Mike Smith, Atlanta Falcons .

Billick's overall record

Overall: 80 - 64
Playoffs: 5 - 3

1999 BAL 8 - 8 - 0 , 2000 BAL 12 - 4 - 0 ,2001 BAL 10 - 6 - 0 , 2002 BAL 7 - 9 - 0 ,2003 BAL 10 - 6 - 0 , 2004 BAL 9 - 7 - 0 , 2005 BAL 6 - 10 - 0 , 2006 BAL 13 - 3 - 0 , 2007 BAL 5 - 11 - 0 .

Took a team to the Superbowl with a crapy QB and a great defense.

[dj_stouty]

Brian Billick's Coaching Tree : Head Coaches.


Jack Del Rio, Jacksonville Jaguars ,Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals
Mike Nolan, San Francisco 49ers ,Rex Ryan, New York Jets , Mike Singletary, San Francisco 49ers ,Mike Smith, Atlanta Falcons .

Billick's overall record

Overall: 80 - 64
Playoffs: 5 - 3

1999 BAL 8 - 8 - 0 , 2000 BAL 12 - 4 - 0 ,2001 BAL 10 - 6 - 0 , 2002 BAL 7 - 9 - 0 ,2003 BAL 10 - 6 - 0 , 2004 BAL 9 - 7 - 0 , 2005 BAL 6 - 10 - 0 , 2006 BAL 13 - 3 - 0 , 2007 BAL 5 - 11 - 0 .

Took a team to the Superbowl with a crapy QB and a great defense.

Problem is...Billick is supposedly some "offensive genius"...but all the coaches who left the Ravens and had any level of success were all on the defensive side of the ball.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Latest word is the Snyd wants Chucky.......

[joethefan]

They may be throwing that name out there to see what the fans think...but we are alot smarter than that....he heeds to hire a GM-President or whatever, to get Vinnie out of the mix....

We want a GM with Vinnie out of the mix....

[Algonkian]

Snyder must fire Cerrato immediatly and give the team to Bill Cowher.

Sign the Facebook petition to fire Vinny Cerrato.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=110412340084

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Let me throw out a name who I think could become available at the end of the season, Jeff Fisher. I always thought he gets more out of his team than most other coaches. He is tough minded, but players respect him.

I have always been a Jeff Fisher fan. Burn out worries me, but maybe getting fired would motivate him more.

[LATrueRedskin]

Ok....who voted Billick....?

[Farmer Ted]

Let me throw out a name who I think could become available at the end of the season, Jeff Fisher. I always thought he gets more out of his team than most other coaches. He is tough minded, but players respect him.

I have always been a Jeff Fisher fan. Burn out worries me, but maybe getting fired would motivate him more.

I don't really see what's so great about Fisher (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FishJe0.htm). He's in his 16th season as a head coach, and has only made the playoffs 6 times (assuming they miss this year). That's kind of mediocre, if you ask me. His career winning percentage is .545, which is ok, but check back in at the end of this season because it could be a bit lower, lol. Assuming there's no miracle this year, it will be his 10th season with a .500 or worse record (6 of them losing, although one was a partial season). Again, what's so great about him? He's respected around the league, is that it?

[Dept_of_Defense]

I'll take Schottenheimer.......Brian Schottenheimer

[JRudy]

Tony Dungy. Give him as much money as he wants, he built two super bowl teams.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Gruden has the most upside cause of his age and intensity.

[brettsky991]

I think this guy might do the trick

***Caution***** contains some foul language

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DgQ7t5yVPY&feature=related

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

does'nt matter who gets hired as long as dumb and dumber are running the team,we'll soon have concurrent 3-13 seasons every year!

[3644Skins]

Gruden is probably the worst possible coach available right now. His so called intensity is manufactured. All I ever saw him do was snarl on the sidelines with his mouth closed, that's not intensity to me. That's him feeding into the media hype and the nickname given to him. (Chucky). The guy sucks as a coach and NFL commentator. From the list I rather have Cowher. I would take Herm Edwards over Gruden any day if intensity is the topic, he knows football and he's truly intense coach on the field. He's more than just a face and large ego.

[redcayman]

Im putting my vote for other. I would like to see Jerry Gray get a shot. He is young and hungry and his ideas seem to be good.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Give me McDaniels or Singletary and Ill be happy.

[smittyskin]

Can someone please explain to me the fascination with Bill Cowher? I just don't get it. What did he do?

[Biggie]

Give me McDaniels or Singletary and Ill be happy.
Unfortunately, those guys are taken.

[Dept_of_Defense]

I guess we can continue this as the Who Would You Hire...As Interim Coach Poll..

I'll take either Jerry Gray or Danny Smith....

[SkinsASchamps]

If Snyder wants to make peace with the fans and do the right thing then he will wait until the end of the season and then fire all the coaches and vinny. Then he will hire Bill Cowher and pay the man whatever it takes. Give him control of the team and stay the heck out of it. There are not too many other options that will make me happy. Snyder also needs to step up and publicly voice his opinion and dismay. He has to explain himself and market himself to the new coach. What he really needs to do is hire a good PR firm and then do all the stuff i mentioned above. The PR firm is to get someone like Cowher.. not for the fans.

[Shubacca]

I think you HAVE to hire a GM and let him retool the whole front office.
My vote goes to Chris Polian of the Colts. He's an executive on the rise. You let him hire the coach for us. ( Hoping for Russ Grimm ) You let your GM run the day to day. You let him tell you who he wants, and Danny you can gas up the jet and wine and dine them into coming here. It has to be the GM first and foremost. He should be the head honcho.