Limbaugh/McNabb article...

[bfauble83]

Is Donovan McNabb overhyped by the national media and is he overrated? Well, the national media is guilty of one thing regarding black quarterbacks: Each one seems to have been tagged at some point in time as having "revolutionized the position." When Steve Young was coming out of college as an athletic quarterback the national media tended to describe him as a quarterback who had scrambling ability. I don't recall him being called a revolutionary. Yet Randall Cunningham in 1985, Kordell Stewart in 1997, McNabb in 1999 and Michael Vick in 2002 were all referred to as having "revolutionized the position..."


http://www.wepm.com/sports/robmario/rob.htm

[RODDY]

Seems like everyone is now debating this issue. The very issue that Rush was ridiculed for bringing up for debate.
Something aint right!

[eagles2000]

I don't recall Steve McNair, Quincy Carter, Jeff Blake, Aaron Brooks, Ray Lucas, Duante Culpepper, Tee Martin, Shawn King, Rodney Peete, and Doug Williams being called revolutionary

I do recall Fran Tarkenton, Joe Namath, Joe Montana and Doug Flutie being called revolutionary.

I don't mean to single you out because I could have said this about a number of messages here and on my home board, but your comment is racist. You may not think it is not (I certainly hope you think it is not), but that does not stop it from being racist. Your inference is that black QB's are hyped by the press and white QB's are not, is just plain false and it is offensive to see it. I am pointing this out not to hurt your feelings but in the hope that you will consider the messages that you put out and whether or not they are biased.

Unfortunatly Rush does not "get it" and many of his supporters do not, but if this wasn't the case, he would still have his job with ESPN. An opinion whether right or wrong (and both he and you are wrong) is biased if it is based on skin color, religion, ethnicity or other attributes. It is hurtful to a particular segment of our society to have to hear it.

I have only been here a week and I think this is a very good board with people that generally go out of their way to respect others feelings(much nicer in that respect than my home board). I don't mean to preach, but the events of this week have caused me to think about racism and similar items way too much. I am happy the weekend is here and I can focus on the games and not this type of controvery

[jporterweb]

See here is the problem, what Rush said was not meant to attack Donovan McNabb. Rush's comments were towards the media. He said something that he believes the way it is. He was not attacking Donovan. He didn't say he is no good because he is Black. He said that the media says he is better then rush thinks he is and he thinks they say that because he is black and they are pushing for a black hero to portray. The thing I don't understand is the fact that Michael Irvin even said that he thought he had a good point. I don't understand why everyone is turning this to say that Rush says he doesnt' deserve where he is, or that because he's black he is no good. This is not the case. Rush just believes that the Media portrays him as better then he really is. I appologize, but I don't see that as racist. Sure they haven't made a big deal about these other QBs. However minus the Titans and Vickings, the others haven't had good teams around them. And yes they did call McNabb and Culpepper revolutionary. They were the first real QBs out of the mobile mold. As for Doug Williams. When he won the Super Bowl, they made a HUGE deal about how he was black. Alright, well I won't be back on till Monday, so please if you disagree just give me the chance to reply on Monday. Thanks.

[rskinsfan10]

Rush also said that McNabb has never been good. Can you not see the idiodicy in that statement alone?

[hail2skins]

Rush can attack the media as much as he wants. It's his agenda. Just don't bring it to a sports show. The topic was sports and the performance of a player. Save that crap for your radio show so I don't have to hear it.

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Rush also said that McNabb has never been good. Can you not see the idiodicy in that statement alone?

No, he said he's never been as good as he's portrayed. Not that he was never good.


Originally posted by hail2skins
Rush can attack the media as much as he wants. It's his agenda. Just don't bring it to a sports show. The topic was sports and the performance of a player. Save that crap for your radio show so I don't have to hear it.

Wrong, he was being payed by ESPN to do just that. The topic was what was wrong with McNabb. He thought there wasn't really anything wrong. And explained why. That's all. He was being payed to say things controversial. People don't seem to remember when he was defending the minority canidates that are being treated as pawns because of the minority interview rule. People seem to forget that he thought it was unfair to them because they were just being used. That was what he was being paid for. That's what he did, and that then is the fault of ESPN for hiring him to do that.

[hail2skins]

"He thought nothing was wrong"? Really? And one of his justifications was the media was desirous in seeing a black QB succeed. How does that answer what's wrong with McNabb? Yes, he said he was overrated. That's fine, that's your opinion but what does the media have to do with McNabb's performance.

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by jporterweb
No, he said he's never been as good as he's portrayed. Not that he was never good.




Wrong, he was being payed by ESPN to do just that. The topic was what was wrong with McNabb. He thought there wasn't really anything wrong. And explained why. That's all. He was being payed to say things controversial. People don't seem to remember when he was defending the minority canidates that are being treated as pawns because of the minority interview rule. People seem to forget that he thought it was unfair to them because they were just being used. That was what he was being paid for. That's what he did, and that then is the fault of ESPN for hiring him to do that.

He was paid to say things controversial to football, not his agenda of media bashing.

[eagles2000]

It was clearly an attack on the media in general, but on Donavan in particular. He said the media overrated him. How is this not a criticism of Donavan? As the comment was the desire for a black QB or coach to succeed, it became a racist attack. The use of the word black is the issue. If he had said he thought McNabb was overrated and he thought that the media overrated him, that would have been fine, but his comment was the media's desire to see a black QB succeed that tells McNabb, I don't care how good you are, you are a tool of the media to promote a racial agenda.

Chris Berman said that when Rush said it, it didn't register as that big of a deal, until he read it. Tom Jackson reportedly (I do not know how true this is) was going to resign on Wednesday if Rush didn't. I will probably watch on Sunday to see what is said.

Note that McNabb took a 5-11 team and turned it into an 11-5 team, with the same defense as the year before and less of an offense as Staley was lost for the year in game 4.

Who is this media by the way that thinks McNabb is better than he is? It sure isn't the media in Philly. It was the media that hired a bus and got tickets for 30 lunatics for the draft for the sole purpose of booing whoever the Eagles picked if not Ricky Willliams. Philly media rips everyone. The Phillies have their best year since 1993, but you would have thought they had a similar record to the Tigers the way they portrayed everyone except Jim Thome. The Flyers get ripped, the Sixers get ripped (AI is just a lightning rod) and the Eagles get ripped, although it is mostly management. Many commentators don't think McNabb is that great. They point to his inaccuracy, his hesitation to put the ball in tight spots, and his concern to run because he does not want to be labeled an "athletic QB". They also realize that the bottom line is success and McNabb has won more playoff games in the last 3 years than any other QB. He has yet to win the Super Bowl, but the kid is only 26. He has some time.

The excerpt from the article, which when I went to read the whole thing was even more insulting, says each one (black QB's) were called revolutionary but one specific white QB who had running skills was not, as a defense for Rush. I believe that each of the QB's mentioned brought something to the table that was missing in earlier QB's. The fact or opinion that they were revolutionary can be supported by performance. That did not make them overrated. I don't know if Steve Young was called revolutionary, but he was called great.

I have always felt sorry for Jimmy the Greek who made stupid comments, but the guy was out at dinner and was caught on tape by someone with a camera. Al Capanis was a guest on a talk show and should have been prepared for the question, but didn't and it tarnished the reputation of someone that was well respected in the base ball world. Rush was hired to be controversial and pushes the envelope based on comments I've read from his talk show. It was not a surprise to hear a racist comment from him, and it was not a surprise that he thought about what he should say the night before and went ahead and said it.

Race relations in this country are better than they have ever been, but they still have a long way to go. Something like this controversy can actually be a good thing if it makes people think about what they say and how it may unintentionally hurt others. I was upset about these comments, and I know that others were hurt. That is the real point. When you say things that hurt people, especially when others agree with you, that is just painful.

I will be here Monday for any follow-up comments you may have, but more importantly to either gloat over the Eagle win, or to eat some crow if things don't turn out as I hope.

[Spearfeather]

http://slate.msn.com/id/2089193/

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Spearfeather
http://slate.msn.com/id/2089193/

Do you have alot more of those type of articles that feel that Dumbaugh was right, because the vast amount talk, commentary, and articles amongst collumnist that I've seen disagree with him.

[Spearfeather]

And maybe there is a lesson to be learned from that fact.

[rskinsfan10]

So, what is the lesson?

[eagles2000]

Mark Twain said there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. Berra's column has been critiqued to death. McNabb took a 5-11 team and made them 11-5 with the same defense. McNabb has been in the league 4 years, 3 as starters. He is learning his position and his stats which have improved every year will continue to do so. Johnson has been around forever and is a good but not great QB. If you want to talk about someone who excelled because of a great D that would be Johnson. Bottom line, I can't think of anyone who would trade McNabb for Johnson.

I am embarrased that Berra claims to root for the Eagles. If he did he would not twist himself into a pretzel to come up with an arguement to defend Rush

[Spence]

I have this one challenge for Mr Limbaugh and all those who agree with him:

Prove it.

Prove the evidence of this vast racist media conspiracy to deceive the American public. Prove it. That's all. Just prove it. If it is so obvious, you should have no trouble proving it. So go ahead.

If you can't, stop wasting everyone's time.

[rskinsfan10]

Meanwhile, those that are against his idiodicy are lining up to tell the world what they think:



Greg Cote (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/columnists/greg_cote/6921038.htm)


Mitch Albom (http://www.freep.com/sports/albom/mitch3_20031003.htm)


Paul Woody (http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArti cle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031771367661&path=%21sports%21columnists&s=1045855935437)

Just for starters of course. I can and will find more if needed.

[Spearfeather]

The fact that so many disagree with what Rush said does not influence my thinking on the subject. You can post as many articles bashing him as you like. I do not believe what he said was racist. I do not listen to his radio show. The fact that so many disagree with him has no effect on how I will view it. I am not saying there was a concious " vast conspiracy ' by the media, however it is possible they were doing it without even realizing it. The fact is a QB like Johnson has posted better career percentages than McNabb and the writer of the article raises the question about why Mcnabb is viewed as a better QB. I believe it is a valid point.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Spearfeather
The fact that so many disagree with what Rush said does not influence my thinking on the subject. You can post as many articles bashing him as you like.

So why did you post an article with someone supporting his thoughts on the subject? Was it in an attempt to show that someone out there within the media agreed with him? Was it an attempt to sway opinions of those that don't agree with what he said? You can post as many articles supporting him as you like. It will not influence my thinking on the subject.

[Spearfeather]

The next time I disagree with most on a particular subject, I will keep it to myself, and that way everyone can be happy and feel better about themselves.

I love you all, and " Hail to the Redskins "

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Spearfeather
The next time I disagree with most on a particular subject, I will keep it to myself, and that way everyone can be happy and feel better about themselves.

I love you all, and " Hail to the Redskins "

No one here said that you had to take that approach, but if that's how you feel that is your right. Maybe I misunderstood you, but you posted an article supporting Dumbaugh while a posted three that didn't. It would appear to me that your intent was to show that he had support for his claims, while mine was to show that there were many that don't support those claims. Also, my posts show the feelings of those that are just as affected by this as McNabb is. It was Rush that basically said that all these sports columnist were in cahoots to make McNabb king, correct?

[Spearfeather]

I don't know if they were all in " cahoots" or not, but the fact that I posted an opposing view on the subject seemed to irritate you and some others. I've read many articles on the subject as it has been all over the media lately. I post one, and you post three the other way. ( Were you trying to influence me? )

My point was, if a certain amount of people have a different opinion of mine, that number is not going to influence me. Wether you are influenced by the article is up to you. I just feel like both sides should be presented. I'm not sure why you would get so defensive about " one " opposing article being posted.

I don't know that they were trying to make McNabb " King " or not, I just feel that he was getting more media exposure than others who were better, and it was possible Rush had a point. McNabb is a good QB, but he is not great. I believe that if asked about Johnson most people would say " yeah ...he's good " but when asked about Mcnabb they would say things like ' oh Yeah, he's Awesome ..McNabb's really good...or he's " great ", when in reality Johnson is probobly the better QB, and I believe that reaction is influenced by the media.

A lot of times the people that preach tolerance the most, seem to be the most intolerant.

We should be able to look at both sides.

[eagles2000]

Spearfeather why do think what Rush said was not racist? McNabb was certainly offended because of the introduction of race. McNabb did not comment on whether he is a good or bad QB. He said" I thought after going through this issues through high school and college that we were beyond that". That alone makes this a racist comment. Whether you agree or disagree with the comment is immaterial. Saying Brad Johnson has better stats does not make the comment not a racist one. The fact that the writer asserts that Johnson is the better QB shows that he doesn't know football or racism.

Anytime you disparage someones accomplishment because of race, religion, or ethnicity, that is a racist comment. Had Rush said McNabb is overated, that is not racist. When you say McNabb is overated because of a media conspiracy to promote a black QB, that becomes racist.

[rskinsfan10]

So I was defensive by you posting one article but you weren't defensive by my posting three? The fact that you said that you will not post on topics when your thoughts seemingly are in the minority says loud and clear that you became defensive because your article was countered with opposing views from others in the media. How was I or anyone else here that disagrees with that article suppose to react to it? Did I or anyone else attack you or your beliefs in any way?

[Spearfeather]

First of all, I originally just posted an article. Nothing more...I did not state my views on the subject...I simply posted an article. Which drew a reaction from you Redskinfan10 of why I posted it as in " how could you possibly do this?". "I was not at all defensive about you posting three ", it just seemed like you were saying " I have three against, so you must be wrong!" And if I did post more articles giving support to what he said, would it change your mind? I don't think so.

Eagles2000, why don't you explain to me how his comments were racist? If he had said " Donovan is a bad QB because he is black" , or " Donovan is a good QB because he is black " that would be one thing, but that is not what he said. He simply said he gets more credit or exposure because of it. That in my opinion is not a racist statement.

If someone that is black had said what Rush said, would it still be a racist statement?

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Do you have alot more of those type of articles that feel that Dumbaugh was right, because the vast amount talk, commentary, and articles amongst collumnist that I've seen disagree with him.

This appears to me to just be a simple question that was asked of you. Not one that challenged your beliefs or thoughts on the subject. My curiosity inclined me to ask you if you had access to more articles of this nature, and I countered that the majority of articles and general commentary that I have seen diasagree with him. I then used three articles that I had read to support my own personal claim. Where in that post does it say "how dare you disagree with me"? You see, I asked the question of you because I wanted to enlighten myslef with the thought process of those that held his opinion in a different light then I do. Would they sway my thoughts, surely not. Does that mean that I cannot read them however? I believe that it's safe to say that you overreacted to my question. You provided one article. I asked you if you had more. It's as simple as that, and far from what you seemingly took from it.

The hypothetical that you asked IMO doesn't warrant a response, because a black person didn't say. Rush did. It's as cut and dry as that.

BTW, my handle is rskinsfan10, not Redskinfan10 as you called me in your last post. Not that I expect you to care, but just pointing out to you that you are a little off in calling me out.

[eagles2000]

He said McNabb is an overrated (i.e., bad)QB because the media wants a black QB to succeed. He brought race in the equation, but tried to pin it on others, where he could then "take bias out" and declare that McNabb is not good. But why bring race up at all. Why not say McNabb is overrated, period. Why say that the media want a black superstar QB. It was not needed and is not true.

Please do not bring Brad Johnson up. How great was he for the skins when he played in DC. If the only criteria for greatness is winning a Super Bowl, where does that put Dan Marino. I don't think anyone would say Brad Johnson is better than Dan Marino. You also can't compare a QB that has not yet reached his prime with one who's career is almost over.

If you want a good comparison, try Peyton Manning. He has been in the league one year longer than McNabb and his stats are far superior. He is the only QB I would trade McNabb for today even up. However his playoff record is 0-3. McNabb is 4-3.

You can argue whether or not McNabb is great, but when you say he has gotten credit for what people think about him that is racist.

Your second comment is if someone that was black said the same thing is that racist. I think it would be, however I think you take in context the fact that a minority is more threatened by racist statements than a majority. For example Dusty Baker had a number of stupid things that he said about playing baseball in heat. Things like it doesn't bother black players as much because they are aready tan. That was stupid and he should have been disciplined. However, white people have not been discriminated against in this country because of their skin color (religion and nationality perhaps, but not skin color). As such if someone critisizes white people because of some genetic defect that makes them inferior to black people in sports, while the comment is hurtful, I do not get as upset as a group of people who still are not afforded equal treatment in certain aspects of sports.

Why are there only 3 black head coaches. Are white head coaches that much smarter? It really is a case of institutional bias that is slowly being corrected. By mandating each owner interview at least one minority candidate for head coach it will speed the process up. This is how Herm Edwards got the job in NY. There was no cry for him to be a coach compared to Marvin Lewis. Rather he got to interview and impressed the Jet management. Sure a lot of coaching jobs are preset and the interviews are simply to comply with the rules, but each interview can help the candidate for the next job, or even with the current team if the first candidate doesn't work out long term.

[Spearfeather]

Um...O.K. rskinfan11, let me explain that by putting Dumbaugh in your post instead of Limbaugh automaticly puts a condescending tone to your question ( which in no way was a simple request to be enlightened on the subject ). You were defensive, I'm sorry, apparently it doesn't take much. I suspect that after reading the article, you feared that the writer may have had a point, which is why you came back with " Well a lot more people disagree with him, than agree with him, to which I basiclly responded " I don't care "

By putting in quotes " how could you say this" I was trying to portray the tone of your reaction and questioning, I was not quoting you and I think you know that. It seems as as if that was lost on you, so I'll try to make myself clearer next time.

And as I suspected, you have no answer for the last question in my post, as you dismissed it as "Hypothetical"

You have made your true feelings clear and hopefully, so have I.
Neither of us is going to change the others mind.

[eagles2000]

I thought a more direct response would be better. Spearfeather said "If he had said " Donovan is a bad QB because he is black" , or " Donovan is a good QB because he is black " that would be one thing, but that is not what he said. He simply said he gets more credit or exposure because of it. That in my opinion is not a racist statement. "

By Rush saying he is overrated, he was saying that he got more credit because of his skin color and he did not deserve it. He is saying that he did not earn the accolades, but that he got them because he is black. That is why I think it was racist.

[Spence]

Look, this is an emotional issue. A hot-button issue, obviously. Everyone's views are welcome here. I promise that. Nobody has to agree with me or any other Admin [and the admins are not all agreed on this] or a Moderator or anyone else. All views, expressed politely, are welcome. I want that absolutely understood. Even if arguments become heated [and they have and they will], all views are welcome. If Kenny or I or Skinz or Skins57 deliver our view forcefully, it does not mean we are trying to intimidate or silence anyone. Feel free to post any view you like. That's an iron-clad guarantee from me to everyone.

One of the things that really bothers me about this is that a lot of people's integrity is being questioned [the media] and no proof is being offered to support this conspiracy theory. The entire sports media could not all be doing the same thing unconsciously so this sure as hell isn't a coincidence. The only way Rush's theory could be accurate is if there was a true conspiracy--an silent understanding or agreement--to promote Donovan McNabb because he's black and the media wants more black quarterbacks. There is no way for members of the media to really defend themselves against this attack. Since absolutely no evidence is offered of this conspiracy, they are forced to defend themselves against phantoms--insubstantial accusations. It's incredibly unfair and, I think, unethical.

And the notion that the media has to lie about Donovan McNabb is laughable. The media sure as hell didn't take it easy on Kordell Stewart. There are plenty of other black quarterbacks out there. Michael Vick, for example. Was the media responsible for him leading the Falcons to a playoff victory against the Packers last year--the first time Green Bay had EVER lost a home playoff game in history? Steve McNair took his team to the Super Bowl. Was the media responsible for that? McNair and Daunte Culpepper are the two top-rated quarterbacks in the NFL right now. Did the media arrange that for them? How many freaking yards and TD passes did Warren Moon throw? And how did the media help him do any of that? Jeez, if we'd had a media conspiracy to promote black quarterbacks, why in Hell did Warren Moon have to play up in Canada for all those years?????

I suppose the media was out there catching TD passes from Doug Williams so they could help promote black quarterbacks by arranging for him to win the Super Bowl MVP back in January 1988. [Let's not forget that the only reason the Skins got Doug Williams in the first place is that he was so disgusted with racist fans and media in Tampa Bay that he quit the league and went to play in the USFL.]

The fact is, black quarterbacks have already made it in the NFL. They've already proven themselves. They've started in the Pro Bowl. A black quarterback has won the Super Bowl. And we have not even seen anything of what Byron Leftwich can do yet. If you think black quarterbacks are shaking up the league now, you won't recognize things five or ten years from now.

In other words, black quarterbacks don't need any media conspiracy to help them. If Donovan McNabb fails in a quarterback in this league, it's no big deal--except to McNabb and Eagles fans. It sure won't hurt the cause of black quarterbacks because there are about five more ready to take his place if he falters.

Black quarterbacks have ALREADY MADE IT in the NFL. And if they've already made it, why in hell would they need a conspiracy to help them even more? It makes no sense.

Face it. Deal with it. Accept it. Get over it.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Spearfeather
Um...O.K. rskinfan11, let me explain that by putting Dumbaugh in your post instead of Limbaugh automaticly puts a condescending tone to your question ( which in no way was a simple request to be enlightened on the subject ). You were defensive, I'm sorry, apparently it doesn't take much. I suspect that after reading the article, you feared that the writer may have had a point, which is why you came back with " Well a lot more people disagree with him, than agree with him, to which I basiclly responded " I don't care "

By putting in quotes " how could you say this" I was trying to portray the tone of your reaction and questioning, I was not quoting you and I think you know that. It seems as as if that was lost on you, so I'll try to make myself clearer next time.

And as I suspected, you have no answer for the last question in my post, as you dismissed it as "Hypothetical"

You have made your true feelings clear and hopefully, so have I.
Neither of us is going to change the others mind.

Did I call YOU DUMBFEATHER? You are offended by my slight on Rush, one that wasn't placed upon you personally. Are you Dumbaugh himself? Your reaction and tone implies that you are.

The fact is you are dead wrong as to why I asked you for other articles. You keep telling yourself that you aren't, but it will not change the fact that you are. Instead of providing what I asked for, you have decided to change the tone to one where you simply choose to try to ridicule what I said. Maybe DUMBFEATHER is a fitting title for you.

I don't spend my time running around living my life in hypotheticals. If that is your choice, then fine, so be it. THE FACT IS that Dumbaugh, said it, not a black person. Your attempt to sway the thought process in such a way simply tells me that in the back of your mind you must feel that he was wrong for what he said, because you want to know if there would have been backlash if a black person in the media had said such. Until that happens, which it hasn't happened here, it is without merit.

Yeah your true feelings are known. They are of a person who can't seem to decipher when a simple question is asked of them.

It doesn't take much to make me defensive? Hmm, the way I see it all this back and forth between you and I is the result of me asking you a simple question. Look in the mirror.

[Spearfeather]

Eagles 2000, I believe your judgement is clouded and you make a lot of assumptions. For example equating overrated with not good or bad. ( how do you get that?) Also, if Rush had said what you would have prefered he said " Donovan McNabb is overated ". Naturally the next question is Why?. Rush simply cut to the chase by putting it all in his statement.

[eagles2000]

The why could have been about his performance, his technique etc. There are plenty of things to critize Donny about. We do it all the time. However, the one that is not true is that the media built him up because they want a black QB to succeed.

My definition of overrated is not as good as others think. That implies worse than expected. However no matter what it is not a compliment. He could have said overrated by the Eagles organization for drafting him second, signing him to a $115 million contract, etc. The media didn't make them do that. In fact they argue against it.

A question for you: Do you understand why African-Americans could find Rush's statement hurtful?

[Spearfeather]

rskin10, I really don't care what you call me, Dumbfeather or any other childish names you can think of.

When you use Dumbaugh in your question there is a certain sarcastic tone that goes along with that, making it hard for someone to take your question seriously. You could have said " Do you have any more articles supporting that view because I would be interested in reading them ". You know what I mean?
Like when I used rskinfan11. See what I'm saying?


Eagles2000 ... you think his comments were racist in nature...I don't. He believed what he was saying and he has a right to express those views no matter what color he is, just like you have the right to disagree. And no I would not take his comments personally. If McNabb believes he is a good QB and deserves to be where he is ( which he does ), why does he care what Rush Limbaugh says?

[eagles2000]

And we have the right to be outraged by his racist comments and demand ESPN to fire him (which they did, they just let him take the honorable way out and resign).

Once again, McNabb would not care if Rush said he was a bad QB. McNabb does care when he says the reason the media thinks he is as good as he is because he is black, not because he is a really good QB.

You obviously feel strongly in your belief and have responded to me in a polite and sensitive manner. I would hope that you will think about this and realize that the important aspect is not whether you or I think this is racist, but whether the person or persons that are the subject of the comment feel that it is racist. McNabb clearly feels that way. When you say you think the comment is not racist, you are saying that McNabb is wrong to take offense. Maybe in the future he could laugh a comment like this off, but we have not reached the point where we can. Until that time, I would hope that people keep comments like to themselves.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Spearfeather
rskin10, I really don't care what you call me, Dumbfeather or any other childish names you can think of.

When you use Dumbaugh in your question there is a certain sarcastic tone that goes along with that, making it hard for someone to take your question seriously. You could have said " Do you have any more articles supporting that view because I would be interested in reading them ". You know what I mean?
Like when I used rskinfan11. See what I'm saying?

Where did I make reference to you in such a manner first is the question at hand? Are you such a believer of Rush that you feel the need to call me anything other then my name in his defense? None of that hides the fact that you responded negatively because you were asked a question, a sincere one at that. I could understand your stance if I had said "Hey DUMBFEATHER, do you have any other articles". I could understand your stance if you were Rush himself. None of that even matters anymore. I take it that you don't have any other articles to share since you have done nothing more then sidestep that request and to concentrate more whether or not it was really my intent to read more. I read that article yesterday as a matter of fact, yet another reason why I asked for more. Never mind. This is old and no longer worth debating with you.

[Spearfeather]

You're right and I don't believe it's worth debating with you or anyone else anymore. I still don't understand why you said you thought I was taking anything you said personally, trust me, from the bottom of my Redskin heart, I wasn't.

My point about the " Dumbaugh " term is that by saying that in your FIRST post ( after my original post with the link to the article, and nothing more ) I already know your feelings about what he said and any article that would be posted afterward. So why would I waste my time gathering article's in support. If you were really interested in viewing counterpoints on the subject you would have found them yourself, but I don't think you were, which was my WHOLE POINT in the first place. In my first mistake on your name, that was completely accidental.

As I said before, I know your feelings on the subject and hopefully you understand my viewpoint also.

[PennSkinsFan]

Nice ending Spearfather.

[Spearfeather]

I love you man!

[rskinsfan10]

Is there anyone out there that has links to articles written that support Rush's point of view? I would appreciate those that don't mind sharing. Thank you in advance.

[Spearfeather]

Have you tried a Google search? They're usually very helpful.

[rskinsfan10]

No I didn't, nor did I feel up to it. Hence me asking for others' help on the matter.

[PennSkinsFan]

Rush is an asshole bigot, spearfeather is cool, enough said,