View Full Version : Take a look at these numbers...
give_portis_the_rock
10-03-2009, 08:46 PM
I understand statistics are hardly a perfect indicator of player skill (particularly for quarterbacks), but take a look at these:
Jason is 5th in the league in completion percentage (at 67.6%)
Jason is 9th in the league in passing yardage (with 793)
Jason is 9th in the league in yards per attempt (with 7.8)
Jason is tied for 9th in the league in fewest interceptions (with 2)
Jason is 4th in the league in first down throws (with 44)
Jason is 2nd in the league in 1st down percentage (at 43.1%)
Jason is 9th in the league in quarterback rating (at 92.5)
Jason is tied for 18th in the league in passing touchdowns (with 3)
Of these statistical categories, Jason is in the top ten of all but one. And in the one where he is not in the top ten (touchdowns), well that's more indicative of our general offensive ineptitude (we have been running the ball a lot near the goal line anyway so that's beyond his control). Moreover, this reminds me that he has accounted for all of our touchdowns this season.
I'm not just taking selective stats. These are all the important statistical indicators for a QB, and his numbers are respectable in all of them. And although you cannot say with certainty that he is a good QB simply by looking at his statistics, you can certainly make the inference. He's playing on what is right now a lousy team, and he's putting up good numbers in all passing categories. The yards per attempt and first down percentage are most important for me because they dispel the myth that he's just 'dinking and dunking.' Jason has been straight FIYAH in the mid range passing game this season.
He's probably gone after this season but I have a feeling we'll be regretting that...
The_Sonny_Of_Sammy
10-03-2009, 09:05 PM
Take a look at these numbers:
13.3 points per game/28th in the league
6 were scored by the punter
SkinsKY
10-03-2009, 09:13 PM
Take a look at these numbers:
13.3 points per game/28th in the league
6 were scored by the punter
Not all of that is Campbell's fault. He didn't call all those left stretch runs on 4th and goal.
give_portis_the_rock
10-03-2009, 09:29 PM
Take a look at these numbers:
13.3 points per game/28th in the league
6 were scored by the punter
Blaming the failures of an entire offensive unit on one person doesn't make much sense even when you're talking about an unproductive player. But when you blame the failures of an entire offensive unit on the MOST productive player on that unit, then that's just crazy.
The_Sonny_Of_Sammy
10-03-2009, 09:41 PM
Blaming the failures of an entire offensive unit on one person doesn't make much sense even when you're talking about an unproductive player. But when you blame the failures of an entire offensive unit on the MOST productive player on that unit, then that's just crazy.
I like JC, I'm just trying to point out that number crunching "isn't or won't" with the offense.:Peace:
give_portis_the_rock
10-03-2009, 09:49 PM
I like JC, I'm just trying to point out that number crunching "isn't or won't" with the offense.:Peace:
I understand... you're right, our offense is awful.
But the problems with our offense isn't with moving the ball (they're 13th in total yardage and 11th in passing yardage), it's with scoring. Coincidentally, our playcalling becomes imbalanced in favor of the run whenever the team sniffs the end zone. We all watch the games, we can all see this.
Also this is unrelated but I just remembered it so I will post it: One poster said in the game thread that Jason fails to protect the ball. Well he is 9th in the league in fewest interceptions. And he has ONE fumble (tied with Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, and Jay Cutler among others). So there is no basis for that statement at all. It just seems that people go out of their way to hate on Jason Campbell even though he's been playing decent football.
skins74
10-03-2009, 10:23 PM
The problem is Zorns redzone playcalling. Sure Jason could be more effective but with the playcalling he's not getting very many or good opportunites. I'm not totally down and out on JC yet. It's just the same pattern we have had with players put in the wrong postions or schemes ect. by our coaches. Same thing with Orakapo and Blache.
brettsky991
10-03-2009, 10:34 PM
I blame the play calling more than JC but many, if not most of those stats are misleading. We are (I think) 28ish in 3rd down conversions and BTW, we are 1-2 with a near miss against the Rams.
Nobody is playing well including, maybe most importantly, the coaches.
Tomorrow is going to tell us alot about this team. Lets keep our fingers crossed.
skin4ever
10-04-2009, 08:11 AM
I blame the play calling more than JC but many, if not most of those stats are misleading. We are (I think) 28ish in 3rd down conversions and BTW, we are 1-2 with a near miss against the Rams.
Nobody is playing well including, maybe most importantly, the coaches.
Tomorrow is going to tell us alot about this team. Lets keep our fingers crossed.
+1. But to add, i am glad JC's stats look good against 2 of the worst teams in the NFL and a Giants team that needed the first game to get started. Lets wait till we have some games under our belt, so the ratio of crappy to good nfl teams evens out, what i will call, the skewed stats, so far.
Its perfectly acceptable to blame the QB. If the offense fails thats he is the first to take the blame. But given his stats in these past games, those that support it, how can you blame play calling. JC is not playing lights out football, he certainly isnt the train thats keeping the team in games. The play calling has to be part of JC statistic success.
As for today, I hope we open it up onthem, go deep over and over. Thats our strength(Speed, height, and a QB who can throw the ball a mile) if it starts connecting. At least it would open up the run game.
CarMike
10-04-2009, 08:13 AM
Drastic dropoff for the one that counts the most:
Jason is tied for 18th in the league in passing touchdowns (with 3)
GreenspanDan
10-04-2009, 09:08 AM
campbell has played well.
GibbsFan
10-04-2009, 09:30 AM
I like Campbell. But has ever won us a game? Every time the game is on the line and JC has been the QB we lose. How many comebacks has he had?
Those are the stats I look at. The stats you are citing are after three games, where we are behind in all three, and alot of garbage time at the end of the halves. I'm not blaming the guy for our losses, but he does not step up win the games when the opportunity is on the line. That is what a great QB will do.
JC is simply not a great QB right now. We do not push the ball down the field. He cannot make all the throws. The fade, the deep ball, the short routes, the lack of touch. If he was a great QB, then he wins you some games sometime. I'm still waiting for these stats.
ClubSandwichGuy
10-04-2009, 10:22 AM
Yards and ratings are great and everything, but the only one of those stats that matters is touchdowns! Find a way to get it in the endzone, skins!!!
It's more Zorn's fault than Campbell's. Anyone hired to be an offensive-minded head coach that can only get his team to put up 9 points against the Rams needs to be fired.
Jon Creveling
10-04-2009, 10:52 AM
I like Campbell. But has ever won us a game? Every time the game is on the line and JC has been the QB we lose. How many comebacks has he had?
Some forgiving fans may site the Saints game last year?
But as a fan that grew up on Billy Kilmer and Joe Theismann, that part of his game is missing.
Billy and Joe you could beat the living S out of all day but with the game on the line you had a real good chance that both men would gut it up and lead the team to a win, at the very least you had a chance!
For instance the opening game at 16W, the Skins are hanging around and I'm telling my poor wife that there was a time when I never thought the game was over (note! when we had real teams with real qbs) but that Jason would never lead the team back like Billy or Joe could. Even if we grabbed the onside kick does any body believe Jason would have won the game?????????????????
Forget Billy and or Joe for a moment I kinda recall more heroics out of Jay than this kid!:devil2:
Jason would have been perfect for say the 91 team, where we had an ass kicking o-line and very good recievers, but short of that, and this team is so short of anything close to being good, that Jason becomes more of the collective problem than a solution.
The kid is not a complete bum by any means but he's just good in spurts, this team needs so much more than that to win!
shally
10-04-2009, 11:33 AM
Take a look at these numbers:
13.3 points per game/28th in the league
6 were scored by the punter
exactly
too much blame for losses/ too much credit for stats like those
skinsfaninva
10-04-2009, 11:38 AM
Drastic dropoff for the one that counts the most:
TD passes counts the most? Really? What about running TDs? This can take away from TD passes. Now granted we aren't running it in either but this is not due to the lack of running plays called. Look up Aikman's TD numbers when they won their SB in the 90s. The QB TD passes can be lower. Our problem is play calling in the red zone.
BurgundyNGold
10-04-2009, 12:28 PM
I'll hold off on my review of Campbell until the bye week. I put out some very concrete expectations of him on the hR blog and I plan on doing a status report against those expectations in a follow up blog.
Biggie
10-04-2009, 12:31 PM
We could win with Campbell if we had other pieces (good protection and receivers). I don't think many people deny that. The problem is that we don't.
Dept_of_Defense
10-04-2009, 04:41 PM
I think Campbell needs to run more. Period. If there's nothing there within the first couple seconds he needs to run.
I think it'll actually help things open up in the passing game and it gives defenses another thing to scheme for other than double Moss and Cooley, put 8 in the box, and they suck.
The dude can run, I know he can't slide, but he can run. If I were Zorn I would tell him to run like he's on fire if there's nothing there......and hold onto the freaking ball!!!!! You lead the world in fumbles.
give_portis_the_rock
10-04-2009, 04:49 PM
I think Campbell needs to run more. Period. If there's nothing there within the first couple seconds he needs to run.
I think it'll actually help things open up in the passing game and it gives defenses another thing to scheme for other than double Moss and Cooley, put 8 in the box, and they suck.
The dude can run, I know he can't slide, but he can run. If I were Zorn I would tell him to run like he's on fire if there's nothing there......and hold onto the freaking ball!!!!! You lead the world in fumbles.
If he takes off after looking at his primary receiver, he will never go through all his progressions. I don't know if that's a good habit to form.
Dept_of_Defense
10-04-2009, 05:13 PM
If he takes off after looking at his primary receiver, he will never go through all his progressions. I don't know if that's a good habit to form.
I don't want him to take off after his first read. Everyone knows he looks at Moss first, then Cooley, then he looks clueless, takes a sack and fumbles. After the Cooley read........run for it!
smoak
10-05-2009, 07:46 AM
Not all of that is Campbell's fault. He didn't call all those left stretch runs on 4th and goal.
Agreed. Not to mention the PUTRID oline play...
JC had his worst game as a pro and needs to bounce back.
mexskins
10-05-2009, 07:50 AM
Nice stats against probably the worst teams in the NFL. (except the Giants)
helimech24
10-05-2009, 07:52 AM
Agreed. Not to mention the PUTRID oline play...
JC had his worst game as a pro and needs to bounce back.IMO...Zorn is more to blame than anyone on the offense this year, including Campbell...Zorn is the QB coach so that is his responsibility, and he is not play calling worth a crap. If you are on the 1 yard line on 4th down, why would you not hand the ball of to the beast of a FB in Sellers and fake the stretch since the stretch is what every DC is expecting? He has no creativity whats so ever!
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