Do We Secretly or Publicly Want the Skins to Fail this Year?

[Skins-R-Us]

If we are on a path that none us believe can succeed, do we want to win and be mediocre possibly 7-9 or do we want to fail miserably to let the FO and everyone involved know that the current strategy is way off the mark?

I am voting for us to fail miserably this year and hope that things really change for the future. The team stinks anyway, why be mediocre at that too.

[skins74]

I can't wish failure on them. I always want to win but I just don't expect to anymore.

[BurgundyNGold]

I can never wish failure on them. I will always root for them no matter the down, distance or hopelessness of the situation.

That said, what I hope and wish for with this team is usually the complete opposite of what it ends up doing in pretty much every facet of its existence.

[CarMike]

I can't wish failure on them. I always want to win but I just don't expect to anymore.

I can never wish failure on them. I will always root for them no matter the down, distance or hopelessness of the situation.

+1

However, after I got over the Rams game, I try not to get as invested as I did before. Between the Tar Heels lackluster performances for the past two weeks, [10 total points] and the Redskins offensive woes, I've decided to not let sports ruin my weekends.

[shally]

I can never wish failure on them. I will always root for them no matter the down, distance or hopelessness of the situation.

That said, what I hope and wish for with this team is usually the complete opposite of what it ends up doing in pretty much every facet of its existence.

+1

sometimes. amputation, which is painful, has to occur before healing for the body as a whole can happen

unfortunately, i have felt this way far too many times over the past 15 years or so....

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

I can never wish failure on them. I will always root for them no matter the down, distance or hopelessness of the situation.

That said, what I hope and wish for with this team is usually the complete opposite of what it ends up doing in pretty much every facet of its existence.

i won't EVER pull against them,but lord almighty,they just piss me off at times like nothing else in my life does it seems!:Peace:
i don't think with the current way they are playing,we can't expect anything but a 500 team,and maybe not that good.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I don't think it would be humanly possible for me to root against the Redskins. Losing to the Lions does raise my indifference though. This is a throw away season already.

I think it is in the long term best interests of the team to find out if Jim Zorn sucks sooner rather than later.

[Skins-R-Us]

Long term I am a fan, and I am routing that the long term prognosis will change. They say the first step to recovery is to admit there is a problem and I don't think that is as clear if they don't completely tank this year. I would gladly give up this year for change, because this year is done anyway. The sooner we can treat this the sooner and hopfully stronger we can recover.

[CarMike]

I will admit this though. I hope to see the stadium half full today. That would send a clear message to Snyder that the fans are not happy with how things are going at Fed Ex.

[shally]

I will admit this though. I hope to see the stadium half full today. That would send a clear message to Snyder that the fans are not happy with how things are going at Fed Ex.

a few bag heads on TV wouldnt hurt the cause as well

[BurgundyNGold]

I will admit this though. I hope to see the stadium half full today. That would send a clear message to Snyder that the fans are not happy with how things are going at Fed Ex.
I'm afraid that you have to work through the novelty phase before the stadium gets emptier. The season ticket holders might not go. Same with the folks who usually get tickets and go when they can. However, the passing or more dispassionate fan with disposable income -- the one for whom going to an NFL game is still a novelty -- will still go. Once that ring has been broken, you'll see lots of empty seats.

[Dept_of_Defense]

I could never root for us to fail miserably. As much as I represent out here on the west coast I need to save face when I go into work on Mondays....

After the W today, as ugly as it was, if Dallas loses today they have the same record as us. I'll take it.

[give_portis_the_rock]

+1

However, after I got over the Rams game, I try not to get as invested as I did before. Between the Tar Heels lackluster performances for the past two weeks, [10 total points] and the Redskins offensive woes, I've decided to not let sports ruin my weekends.

Unless you're from Boston or Pittsburgh, sports will only bring you heartbreak.

So I am with you about not getting emotionally invested. My moment came after the Wizards lost for the third straight year to the Cavs in the playoffs... after I talked beaucoup crap to all my Lebron stan friends. That was too embarrassing for me.

Also i've started a new thing on game day: I pray during half time. I haven't really gotten angry at any point this season while watching the Skins, and I think that's why.

But to the OP: Nah i would never root against the Skins, even if it meant long term gains. The point of sports is to be short-sighted.

[X-Factor13]

We have already failed imo so there is no rooting, we are incredibly fortunate to play maybe the 5 worst teams in the league plus the giants for our first six games, and we still look bad against them. i'll never quit wanting to win, and imo we shouldn't play for a spot in the draft because as time has shown it's not your position it's your SCOUTING that gets you the perfect fit. how silly that a 21 year old can figure that out but not a billionaire...

[nicefellow31]

If we are on a path that none us believe can succeed, do we want to win and be mediocre possibly 7-9 or do we want to fail miserably to let the FO and everyone involved know that the current strategy is way off the mark?

I am voting for us to fail miserably this year and hope that things really change for the future. The team stinks anyway, why be mediocre at that too.


If we fail miserably who's to say the FO will do the right thing. They don't exactly have a track record of success.

[BigTex]

I don't wish failure upon the Burgundy and Gold. Not that they'd need me to since they're pretty good at doing that on their own.

I just don't let them get to me anymore. I live in Texas and I get to watch the high school team I support do well in football and basketball. Then I have the Lakers season starting in less than a month (Not a bandwagon Lakers fan. Been one since 1987.) so the Redskins playing a horrible brand of football isn't going to ruin my weekend.

I've also got the Longhorns to root for as well. Really it's just the Skins and A's (Love those Free Swinging A's even if they're mediocre!) doing bad right now out of my teams...lol. Honestly this year has been great for me as a fan. The high school (Dallas Madison) won a state title in basketball and had a victory parade and will probably repeat this coming season. Then two months later the Lakers gave me a 2nd parade to go to (Yep I drove 1450 miles to be at the Coliseum for the parade and loved every minute of it! Can't wait for the 2010 back to back parade!)...The Skins can go winless the rest of the way and it won't ruin a single weekend for me because I expect nothing from them.

[nicefellow31]

I don't wish failure upon the Burgundy and Gold. Not that they'd need me to since they're pretty good at doing that on their own.

I just don't let them get to me anymore. I live in Texas and I get to watch the high school team I support do well in football and basketball. Then I have the Lakers season starting in less than a month (Not a bandwagon Lakers fan. Been one since 1987.) so the Redskins playing a horrible brand of football isn't going to ruin my weekend.

I've also got the Longhorns to root for as well. Really it's just the Skins and A's (Love those Free Swinging A's even if they're mediocre!) doing bad right now out of my teams...lol. Honestly this year has been great for me as a fan. The high school (Dallas Madison) won a state title in basketball and had a victory parade and will probably repeat this coming season. Then two months later the Lakers gave me a 2nd parade to go to (Yep I drove 1450 miles to be at the Coliseum for the parade and loved every minute of it! Can't wait for the 2010 back to back parade!)...The Skins can go winless the rest of the way and it won't ruin a single weekend for me because I expect nothing from them.

Lucky you. I root for the Skins, Nats, Wizards, & Terps (b-ball and football). My high school team in P.G. County, Crossland, hasn't been good in years.

[colkurtz]

Can't root against the Redskins. I'm just more realistic about how they will do this season.

[ARParr]

okay, i'll say it...

bring it on. complete & total cataclysmic implosion this season. a loss every week from here on out. undeniable, non-debatable bottom-of-the-league sort of performances. (they're not so far off the mark so far...)

i don't choose to view this as "rooting against the Skins", or as not being a fan anymore. what i'm saying, (and said it for the first time a year ago), is that i want to win badly enough to be perfectly willing to endure the worst of the worst in terms of a season record in order to right the course of the ship.

we know from past experience that an 8-8 record will cause Danny to change (shake things up) a bit, but none of that has produced any significant, positive long-lasting effects. ergo, submit that nothing short of categorical failure will stand any chance of making Danny REALLY change anything.

[BurgundyNGold]

okay, i'll say it...

bring it on. complete & total cataclysmic implosion this season. a loss every week from here on out. undeniable, non-debatable bottom-of-the-league sort of performances. (they're not so far off the mark so far...)

i don't choose to view this as "rooting against the Skins", or as not being a fan anymore. what i'm saying, (and said it for the first time a year ago), is that i want to win badly enough to be perfectly willing to endure the worst of the worst in terms of a season record in order to right the course of the ship.

we know from past experience that an 8-8 record will cause Danny to change (shake things up) a bit, but none of that has produced any significant, positive long-lasting effects. ergo, submit that nothing short of categorical failure will stand any chance of making Danny REALLY change anything.
Then you should really be rooting for Danny to have high cholesterol and hypertension lol. ;)

[Skin-E-Dip]

I was hoping that today's loss combined with the Lions and Rams performances would speed up regime change. There is nothing wrong with hoping for short term failure to speed up long term success.

JC/Zorn are clearly not the future of this team but the more they squeek by with wins like this the longer its going to be before significant staffing improvements are made.

[Patrick]

... in response to the title of this thread ..... it's as simple as this - root against the Skins or wanting them to fail .... You Are NOT A SKINS Fan!!!!

[smoak]

No, I never want us to fail. Under a different owner, Zorn might become a good coach. Too bad he doesn't have the spine to stan up to Snyder.

[smoak]

... in response to the title of this thread ..... it's as simple as this - root against the Skins or wanting them to fail .... You Are NOT A SKINS Fan!!!!

HELL YES!!!

[Axegrinder]

I'll never root against them, but I'm not afraid to Boo!

[ARParr]

root against the Skins or wanting them to fail .... You Are NOT A SKINS Fan!!!!

i feel compelled to respond. i most certainly am a fan. don't suppose i could really stop being a fan of this team even if i wanted to. that being said, i need to make two points in the name of clarification:

1) i don't have it in me to stay as emotionally invested in this team anymore, under the current circumstances. not like i have been up to this point. it's too painful. season after season of floundering & waffling have beaten it out of me. this is one of the reasons that i chose not to purchase the NFL Sunday Ticket this year. you can believe as much as ever and continue to stay completely emotionally invested right now? more power to you. i need some distance for now, until things change.

2) i don't really "want" the Skins to lose, but the fact of the matter is that, under current leadership (read: ownership) i firmly believe that we will continue to lose as much as we win... and that's just not enough for me. 8-8 is simply not good enough. if we have to endure one cataclysmically bad season in order for real change to be brought about, so be it. short-term failure is acceptable to me in the name of long-term rebirth and REAL championship aspirations... not Pollyanna pipe dreams. i refuse to have those anymore.

am i a Skins fan? you're damned right i am. what i am most certainly NOT is a fan of mediocrity by design, ad nauseum.

[Smiley]

Root against our Redskins? Riiiiight. That will never happen. NEVER.

[Smiley]

P.S. Being a fan, IMHO, is rooting for the Redskins especially when they're underdogs. If you root only when they're winning whoudn't that make you a Cowboy fan? Hail!

[Skin-E-Dip]

P.S. Being a fan, IMHO, is rooting for the Redskins especially when they're underdogs. If you root only when they're winning whoudn't that make you a Cowboy fan? Hail!


I think both fans represented in this thread want to cheer for the Skins to win but some are only immediate and with small growth and others are looking at the big picture.

Its like having a kid who drops out of high school to make money on the street selling drugs. While you hope they are successful in whatever they do, you also hope that for ultimate long term success for the kid, that this drug selling phase doesn't work out so well. You actually hope the kid stops this path as soon as possible to start back on a better path. Its the same for those of us hoping the Skins get over the Zorn/JC path as soon as possible. Doesnt mean you're not as good of a fan as anyone else

[skinsfan36]

i cant root against them. im a diehard fan. i will boo the playcalling and campbell as i did today.

[joethefan]

Personally I could care less how it's done, but I need the negative press to stay on Snyder....their is a huge disconnect from ashburn to the fans. i heard a redskin Beat reporter say "they (the org.) don't understand why the media and fans are so negative"...


This comment wasn't made last week, it was at 12:45 before the game...that tells me that they don't understand....so as Ladyredskin felt last week...IMO as of today, they are still on the couch......

One win cannot just negate the way this org is run.IMO

[Death_Venom]

I always want the team to win-yet I am certain this season will be a long dreadful one for all the Skins fans....

[Dept_of_Defense]

Not only can I not root against them, I can't even draft a player in the NFC East for any of my fantasy football leagues.....

[BurgundyNGold]

Not only can I not root against them, I can't even draft a player in the NFC East for any of my fantasy football leagues.....
LMAO! That was my problem too.

[helimech24]

Not only can I not root against them, I can't even draft a player in the NFC East for any of my fantasy football leagues.....I must admit...you are a better man than me...but I play in 2 leagues that the buy in is $120 a piece...so there is a little more riding on it than just bragging rights...like a top prize of 600 in both of them...

[chris]

I could never want my redskins to fail...I will always pull for them to win and get better.Its just been really hard the last few years watching them play like this. It does make me feel alot better watching dallis fall apart!! Most redskins fans did not have much hope for this season but the dallis fans really thought they would be great....crash and burn baby..crash and burn!!

[dj_stouty]

I always root for every player to do well and for the team to win.

That being said; I've never been so emotionally distanced from a win as I was yesterday.

[MoonshineDelight]

Not only can I not root against them, I can't even draft a player in the NFC East for any of my fantasy football leagues.....

I have this exact same rule for my fantasy leagues. LOL!
I root for the Redskins every snap for better or for worse, come rain or shine, Win or Loss. The only long term hope/wish I have is that if we're blessed with an uncapped year in 2010, we can dump the overpaid roster fat into the soup line, and begin anew. I imagine that Snyder & Co. are smart enough to act on that opportunity and are prepping for the occasion. One curve ball I worry about going forward is that of salary cap CONTRACTION in future years if the NFL revenues continue seeing downward pressure.

[Gunnar]

I hope to see the Skins win if by a miracle they could bonce back they are only 2-2 but could easly be 0-4. Cowboys are also 2-2 . If Skins go 8-8 or worse next years draft what will they do built the offensive line? go after a QB? or after another freeagent? I wish them to win but does not look good only a miracle . Am already looking at the next year.

[Skins-R-Us]

Personally I could care less how it's done, but I need the negative press to stay on Snyder....

I want Snyder and Vinnie to feel it bad in every way. If this season is toast, like 98% of us believe. I want them to hear about it from every media source possible. I want it to hurt.

If there is a chance, I say win'em all, but with all of our problems this year and the second half schedule... gimme a break.

[oldskinfan]

Snyder will not feel squat if you "secretly root against the redskins".
The ONLY way you can make him feel it is:

1) Don't buy jerseys
2) Don't go to games
3) Don't put money in his pocket

It's that simple. But it's been 10 years and we still have not learned that lesson.
Of course this could lead to blackouts etc. Are we willing to pay that penalty? I sure would be.
I'm already TIVOing the $@$$ games anyways.

But root against the team? no way.

[Farmer Ted]

Snyder will not feel squat if you "secretly root against the redskins".
The ONLY way you can make him feel it is:

1) Don't buy jerseys
2) Don't go to games
3) Don't put money in his pocket

It's that simple. But it's been 10 years and we still have not learned that lesson.

But root against the team? no way.

That's probably the only thing that could hurt him, but I don't think anything is going to change the way he works. Guys like him just don't change; they lash out and fight back, and keep doing things their way. He's like Al Davis, except Al used to be a winner. Danny's a loser, and we're pretty much screwed. I'm just hoping the Skins can somehow win in spite of him.

[Skin-E-Dip]

Am I the only one hoping that for the overall good of the team that they lose to the Chiefs before going into the bye? If that happens there is no way on earth Zorn stays on. Giving the third team of the season their first win should be the final straw.

Then after the bye week, the rest of the season could be seen more as an open try out for Shanahan or Cowher for the 2010 season

[lorimike]

I always want the team to win-yet I am certain this season will be a long dreadful one for all the Skins fans....<<

It not that we are in for a dreadful season. It's that there is no hope. We could be looking at decade of losing. It's clear to me we are going to go another route at QB and that takes 3-4 years until you know if you got a good one or need to go in another direction yet again.

[redbamaskins]

Not only can I not root against them, I can't even draft a player in the NFC East for any of my fantasy football leagues.....

lol i dont even play fantasy anymore because i can not root for anybody but the redskins.