The Good, Bud, and Ugly

[CarMike]

have at it.

[flave1969]

Still thinking of taking up smoking some bud after that one.

[give_portis_the_rock]

Good
Forced some turnovers, good pass rush, good 3rd down defence (although it was against a lousy team with a first-time starter at QB), running game was decent, that Santana touchdown

Bad
Turned the ball over, still can't score

Ugly
Can't win convincingly even against a lousy team

[NCskinsfanatic]

Still thinking of taking up smoking some bud after that one.

lol, keep the streak alive Flave ;).

The Good : Portis running hard, Cooleys effort, London Fletcher and the win.

The Bad : Losing Hunter, The OL's play, the defensive lapses and poor tackling, Suisham as a punter

The Ugly : Jc's decision making skills, his inability to place the long ball for his WR's to make a play, his throws into the ground, getting an extra point blocked, Rabach and his god awful timing for holding

[Redskinmayhem]

Good - The D made stops when we needed it. Thank God for Nugent's 2 misses, Cooley as usual.

Bad - PLay calling still sucks, lots of missed tackles, Carlos Rogers' "hands", Offense is terrible, JCamp is a poor excuse for a QB, Moss doggin it on 80% of the snaps he's in on, O-line Run blocking

The Ugly - That sweep/stretch to the left that NEVER works! The first half, The Bucs did everything they could to hand us the game. beating the bucs 16-13.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

lol, keep the streak alive Flave ;).

The Good : Portis running hard, Cooleys effort, London Fletcher and the win.

The Bad : Losing Hunter, The OL's play, the defensive lapses and poor tackling, Suisham as a punter

The Ugly : Jc's decision making skills, his inability to place the long ball for his WR's to make a play, his throws into the ground, getting an extra point blocked, Rabach and his god awful timing for holding
:goodpost: Pretty much matched my thoughts.

[GreenspanDan]

good:
- portis
- cooley
- samuels
- 3rd down defense
- suisham (punts weren't disastrous, FGs went through the uprights, kickoffs went into the endzone)

bad:
- run defense.
- tackling.

ugly:
- zorn finally opening up with a lot of deep balls, only to hav campbell respond with 3 ints.
- jason sacked on his first two dropbacks.
- carlos rogers' hands.

[walton40]

Good: CP like his old self with a few bursts & moves in the 2nd half, Cooley, QB pressure, turnovers & sacks,

Bad: 1st half, JC's decisions, losing Hunter, no contribution from our WR's bar Moss' TD, run D for the most part

Ugly: The Skins, the Bucs, Carlos & his concrete mitts

[ObiWan1278]

The Good: Nice Pick by Hall, We Won. Nice strip by Jarmon too, this was probably one of the skins best Front office decisions I have witnessed in awhile.

The Bad: Punter injured...really? Portis was tripping all over the field. The win gives our coaching staff a reprieve.

The Ugly: They don't call our offensive line offensive for nothing. 4 turnovers. Even when we win I feel like crap. Rogers hands are made of some sort of football repellent.

[MDBluefinCrab]

JC- 1 fumble, 3 INTS. Maybe 4-5 good passes the whole game. Still can't see the field and focuses on his primary receiver.
I knew the defense would have trouble with a rookie QB, with not much film to study up on him with, but they still aren't dominating. This was a very weak Tampa Bay team.
Coaching- On the second TD, why in the hell didn't Zorn go for the 2 pt. conversion? They are down 1 point with another Buccaneer TD and would need a FG to win, even if they didn't get the 2 points. Getting that 2 points would put the Bucs 8 points back and force them to score twice to win.
It's a win but nothing to feel good about.

[Gravy]

UGLY: Suisham now sucks at 2 postions

[Biggie]

Good - Portis running on bad ankles, Cooley and Moss coming to play, defense on third down.

Bad - Aqib Talib.

Ugly - Swissham punting.

[akhhorus]

Good: Portis playing hurt, Cooley playing well, Campbell in the 3rd quarter
Bad: Campbell in the rest of the game, the oline, the coaching
Ugly: Blache's supposedly new defense, special teams, everything else lol.

[flave1969]

The Good: Not much on Offense, Cooley is just our best pick in the past decade on Offense. Portis ran hard despite his injury worries. Jarmon showed a glimpse of why he should be playing more than Daniels.

The Bad: JC was poor today. So was his line at times. Carlos Rogers once again drops a straightforward pick that could go for six. We lost our punter.

The Ugly. The win pure and simple.

[skins74]

Good: Hall Int.
Bad: Campbell
Ugly: Run D

Sidenote: Can we give them some Red Bull right before the game starts so they come out and play the first half?

[Dept_of_Defense]

The Good: We won the game.

The Bad: We barely beat an 0-3 team with a rookie head coach and a qb making his first NFL start.

The Ugly: Even though we won the game, the Bucs looked like the better team for the majority of the game.

[NFCEAST]

The Good: We won the game.

The Bad: We barely beat an 0-3 team with a rookie head coach and a qb making his first NFL start.

The Ugly: Even though we won the game, the Bucs looked like the better team for the majority of the game.


+ 1

[Farmer Ted]

The Good: A win's a win. Doughty can actually tackle. Hall's interception and the forced fumble to seal the game.

The Bad: Pass protection and sacks. Turnovers. Landry tackling like Deion Sanders (...and a WHIFFFFF!!!!).

The Ugly: Falling behind 10 points to an awful team and not scoring in the first half.

[LATrueRedskin]

The Good: Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley, Rocky McIntosh, Reed Doughty coming to play

The Bad: Our offense is still terrible, Playcalling has not gotten any better, Jason Campbell for most of the game

The Ugly: Having to use Suisham as a punter (although he did OK), Carlos Rogers' astounding inability to catch a football, Having to need one of the worst teams in football miss field goals in order to win a game (again)

[BurgundyNGold]

Good: Jason Campbell
Bad: Jason Campbell
Ugly: Jason Campbell

[cal_junior]

Ugly: Blache's supposedly new defense,

How did I know this would come?

The Skins surrender one TD (when the Bucs' started on the 10) improved dramatically defending on third downs (2/13), got better as the game went on and forced turnovers at critical times. Still . . .

Death, taxes and Akh ripping Blache, lol.

[akhhorus]

How did I know this would come?

The Skins surrender one TD (when the Bucs' started on the 10) improved dramatically defending on third downs (2/13), got better as the game went on and forced turnovers at critical times. Still . . .

Death, taxes and Akh ripping Blache, lol.

I mention this in my column, but the Bucs haven't converted many 3rd downs this season and against a crappy young Qb making his first start, a 8% reduction in 3rd down conversions isn't much of an improvement. I know you want to pretend everything is sunny with the skins, but you can at least pick an area of the squad where they are actually looking good.

[BurgundyNGold]

How did I know this would come?

The Skins surrender one TD (when the Bucs' started on the 10) improved dramatically defending on third downs (2/13), got better as the game went on and forced turnovers at critical times. Still . . .

Death, taxes and Akh ripping Blache, lol.
Did you see a "maverick"? I sure didn't.

Blache plays a soft style of defense that is predicated on stopping the run, to the detriment of rushing the passer. He plays soft zones hoping that somehow the QB will not be able to string 10 play drives together. Yet, they can and they have. An often overlooked stat is that the Redskins were 26th in the league in TOP for this very reason.

The only thing that saved Blache's bacon was that Tampa was starting a QB who had exactly 10 career passes coming into the game. Against a merely competent offensive team (or Detroit), we lose.

[akhhorus]

Did you see a "maverick"? I sure didn't.

Blache plays a soft style of defense that is predicated on stopping the run, to the detriment of rushing the passer. He plays soft zones hoping that somehow the QB will not be able to string 10 play drives together. Yet, they can and they have. An often overlooked stat is that the Redskins were 26th in the league in TOP for this very reason.

The only thing that saved Blache's bacon was that Tampa was starting a QB who had exactly 10 career passes coming into the game. Against a merely competent offensive team (or Detroit), we lose.

The Bucs have been averaging 26 minutes of TOP this season prior to the skins game, they had over 31 against the skins. The Bucs have a pathetic offense, and playing a low talent QB making his first start, and Blache made them look better than they have been.

[Farmer Ted]

Did you see a "maverick"? I sure didn't.


You gotta admit that blitzing with Tryon is pretty ballsy. Or maybe stupid. But it worked, and it was pretty damn sweet. All the rest seemed like the same old-same old.

[akhhorus]

You gotta admit that blitzing with Tryon is pretty ballsy. Or maybe stupid. But it worked, and it was pretty damn sweet. All the rest seemed like the same old-same old.

Its a great idea, but you have to keep doing it or changing up the blitz packages. Blache didn't do that.

[BurgundyNGold]

You gotta admit that blitzing with Tryon is pretty ballsy. Or maybe stupid. But it worked, and it was pretty damn sweet. All the rest seemed like the same old-same old.
One play different, everything else the same. Somebody tell ol' Black Bart that there's a new sheriff in town lol.

And blitzing Tryon isn't very ballsy when his coverage is meh. It's like blitzing Reed "Two Steps Late" Doughty lol.

[BurgundyNGold]

The Bucs have been averaging 26 minutes of TOP this season prior to the skins game, they had over 31 against the skins. The Bucs have a pathetic offense, and playing a low talent QB making his first start, and Blache made them look better than they have been.
And Blache's "stop the run" defense still managed to give up nearly 120 yards to the 2 primary backs.

[cal_junior]

I know you want to pretend everything is sunny with the skins

What? This team is mediocre at best and I'll be stunned at this point if they win seven games. I'm just pointing out that you're predictable.

[oldskinfan]

The Good: the 2nd half
The Bad: the first half
The Ugly: Heyer and Rhinehart

I mean I watched the first two plays in slow-mo and Heyer and Rhinehard got OWNED. Rhinehart is not strong or nimble, and Heyer plays too high - just AWFUL footwork.

[Wild Bore]

UGLY: Suisham now sucks at 2 postionsWe pile on the skins for almost everything, and quite deservingly. However, I cannot agree with you on this. I thought Suisham had a very good day. I cannot remember a time when he boomed kickoffs like today. I think he had three touchbacks by my count. I took notice of it because he almost NEVER gets touchbacks. Also, I thought he filled in pretty well in a tough situation at punting. He made his field goal. Man, what else can the guy do?

[JasonCampbell]

We pile on the skins for almost everything, and quite deservingly. However, I cannot agree with you on this. I thought Suisham had a very good day. I cannot remember a time when he boomed kickoffs like today. I think he had three touchbacks by my count. I took notice of it because he almost NEVER gets touchbacks. Also, I thought he filled in pretty well in a tough situation at punting. He made his field goal. Man, what else can the guy do?

+1

Suisham was solid today considering he had to worrying about the punting duties and has been perfect so far on FGs (even though 3 or 4 have been chip shots). The blocked XP wasn't his fault either.

[LATrueRedskin]

We pile on the skins for almost everything, and quite deservingly. However, I cannot agree with you on this. I thought Suisham had a very good day. I cannot remember a time when he boomed kickoffs like today. I think he had three touchbacks by my count. I took notice of it because he almost NEVER gets touchbacks. Also, I thought he filled in pretty well in a tough situation at punting. He made his field goal. Man, what else can the guy do?

Yeah, I thought he did well on kickoffs, and easily made the only field goal he was asked to. His punts weren't the greatest I guess, but they were probably better than any other punter we've had in the past few years besides Hunter Smith.

[jaylen]

Good- JC having the guts to stick in and find a way to make plays even though he played bad for most of the game , the Moss pass was a thing of beauty in stride for the game winner the improvising plays to Cooley and him scrambling.Jarmon hustling and causing the fumble, and Orakpo who is getting better and got pressure on JJ most of the game despite only getting 1 sack. Rhinehart I thought blocked hard today they ran behind him some.

Bad- wr's not named Moss, Kelly is a scrub can;t get open and worse reacting to the ball, Thomas non existant, ARE can;t get open they showed the Iso's on wr's and the guys weren;t getting open for the most part, o-line play Samuels getting beat by a guy who didn;t have a sack most of the day.

Ugly- JC most of the day indecisive felt pressure looked panicky early settled down. wr's not helping him at all. Rogers hands he's killing our chances to change momentum in games by the drops. Blache's scheme's still soft on the pass giving up the run weekly now.

[akhhorus]

What? This team is mediocre at best and I'll be stunned at this point if they win seven games. I'm just pointing out that you're predictable.

I point out what I see during the game. Blache is the predictable one, not me.

[BurgundyNGold]

I point out what I see during the game. Blache is the predictable one, not me.
Watching Blache reminds me why casinos make money. The longer you sit at the table, the more likely you are to lose. Blache is content to sit at the table forever and never take any shots. It's fools like him that built Vegas.

[cal_junior]

I point out what I see during the game. Blache is the predictable one, not me.

In the past Blache took heat (and rightly so) for:
A. His defenses playing well for most of a game and breaking down late when it matters most.
B. Not causing turnovers or pressuring the quarterback.

In both of those areas the Skins D was pretty solid today, particularly impressive given how often our offense gave TB the ball.

All you can do is play the team the schedule puts in front of you. The Skins defense played more than well enough to win today against a bad TB offense.

[akhhorus]

In the past Blache took heat (and rightly so) for:
A. His defenses playing well for most of a game and breaking down late when it matters most.
B. Not causing turnovers or pressuring the quarterback.

In both of those areas the Skins D was pretty solid today, particularly impressive given how often our offense gave TB the ball.

All you can do is play the team the schedule puts in front of you. The Skins defense played more than well enough to win today against a bad TB offense.

Against a young 5th round QB making his first start in the NFL, I should hope that any defense would be able to get in his face and confuse him. You're trying to give Blache credit for doing the absolute bare minimum to help beat a piss poor offense. Despite all his talk about making changes, he played the same soft scheme that was bailed out by 2 missed FGs by Tampa(despite their offensive problems). And if they look like this against the Bucs, Lions, Rams, etc..what are they going to do when they actually have to play a great balanced offense?

[jaylen]

Against a young 5th round QB making his first start in the NFL, I should hope that any defense would be able to get in his face and confuse him. You're trying to give Blache credit for doing the absolute bare minimum to help beat a piss poor offense. Despite all his talk about making changes, he played the same soft scheme that was bailed out by 2 missed FGs by Tampa(despite their offensive problems). And if they look like this against the Bucs, Lions, Rams, etc..what are they going to do when they actually have to play a great balanced offense?

sadly I agree with the caveat that they didn't get beaten down by the Giants in NY though they did bend and break.

[akhhorus]

sadly I agree with the caveat that they didn't get beaten down by the Giants in NY though they did bend and break.

The Giants didn't have to punt until midway through the 3rd quarter. Thats says it all.

[Skin-E-Dip]

Good: Jason Campbell
Bad: Jason Campbell
Ugly: Jason Campbell


Best use of good,bad,and ugly yet. Good summary

[cal_junior]

You're trying to give Blache credit for doing the absolute bare minimum to help beat a piss poor offense.

The Skins were better than the bare minimum, and yes it was a lousy opponent. They tackled better than they have all season and improved as the game went on. After a bad first half the Skins D absolutely stuffed the bad opponent and came up with two turnovers at important times.

You can blame Blache for many things; the schedule isn't one of them.

[NamVet4]

The Good: We won the game.

The Bad: We barely beat an 0-3 team with a rookie head coach and a qb making his first NFL start.

The Ugly: Even though we won the game, the Bucs looked like the better team for the majority of the game.

Well said ! Cooley and Portis showing that they had the "heart" to win...

[akhhorus]

The Skins were better than the bare minimum, and yes it was a lousy opponent. They tackled better than they have all season and improved as the game went on. After a bad first half the Skins D absolutely stuffed the bad opponent and came up with two turnovers at important times.

And still struggled to keep down one of the worst offenses in the NFL who had pulled their vet Qb for a kid making his first start. If you want to be happy about that, fine, but you're not dealing with reality. Blache struggled against 3 of the worst offenses in the NFL, and we have 8 games upcoming against top offenses and you're happy about the defensive performance currently.

You can blame Blache for many things; the schedule isn't one of them.

:lol1: This is hilarious. I blame Blache for what he's responsible for. And he's responsible for a piss poor defense playing a soft scheme week in and week out. Silly me for wanting accountability.

[shally]

UGLY: Suisham now sucks at 2 postions

LOL

very funny.. sad, but true...

[Dept_of_Defense]

Is it just me or was Haynesworth invisible for the second week in a row?? I'm glad Orakpo was mentioned a few times and I was even a little impressed by the play of Tryon today, who I couldn't stand in the preseason....

[shally]

Against a young 5th round QB making his first start in the NFL, I should hope that any defense would be able to get in his face and confuse him. You're trying to give Blache credit for doing the absolute bare minimum to help beat a piss poor offense. Despite all his talk about making changes, he played the same soft scheme that was bailed out by 2 missed FGs by Tampa(despite their offensive problems). And if they look like this against the Bucs, Lions, Rams, etc..what are they going to do when they actually have to play a great balanced offense?

lose, quite frankly... and lose badly...

[shally]

Is it just me or was Haynesworth invisible for the second week in a row?? I'm glad Orakpo was mentioned a few times and I was even a little impressed by the play of Tryon today, who I couldn't stand in the preseason....

haynesworth makes the players around him better.. it is not necessary for him to garner his own stats

on the other hand, the middle of the line was VERY soft in the first half.. and that goes on him..

[The Iceman]

And still struggled to keep down one of the worst offenses in the NFL who had pulled their vet Qb for a kid making his first start. If you want to be happy about that, fine, but you're not dealing with reality. Blache struggled against 3 of the worst offenses in the NFL, and we have 8 games upcoming against top offenses and you're happy about the defensive performance currently.



:lol1: This is hilarious. I blame Blache for what he's responsible for. And he's responsible for a piss poor defense playing a soft scheme week in and week out. Silly me for wanting accountability.

Seriously? They only put up around 220 yards of total offense and the only TD they got was when they were put on the 10 yard line via fumble.... The defense gave up 6 points.... Seriously, 6 points... I can't believe some idiots bitch about a defense that gives up only 13 points the whole game when the offense turns the ball over 4 times. It's time to stop caring about how we keep opponents point totals low, and start being happy that we ALWAYS DO!

[Dept_of_Defense]

haynesworth makes the players around him better.. it is not necessary for him to garner his own stats

on the other hand, the middle of the line was VERY soft in the first half.. and that goes on him..

Yeah that's why I thought he wasn't doing anything significant today.....Our run defense was horrible, especially right up the middle....Carter got decent pressure today, but I feel like he's always one step away......

[akhhorus]

Seriously? They only put up around 220 yards of total offense and the only TD they got was when they were put on the 10 yard line via fumble.... The defense gave up 6 points.... Seriously, 6 points... I can't believe some idiots bitch about a defense that gives up only 13 points the whole game when the offense turns the ball over 4 times. It's time to stop caring about how we keep opponents point totals low, and start being happy that we ALWAYS DO!

We've kept the point totals low against the Rams and Bucs, two of the worst offenses in the NFL. We haven't against the Lions(a pathetic offense) and the Giants. I wish I could say that I'm surprised that you are automatically in apologist mode, but I'm not lol.

[Redskinmayhem]

I saw AH force the play to change direction more than a few times. that's a huge impact, depsite not having the stats for it.

[Patrick]

hmmmmmm
Good ..... WIN
Bad ..... I guess because they didn't win by enough
Ugly ..... Those who don't like THIS team winning..... Tough S**t !!

[smoak]

Good:
For the second week in a row, REED!!! As physically limited as he is, I'd rather have him out there that Mr. Ole.

Bad.
Campbell for the first half was about as possible.

Ugly.
Hunter Smith going down.

[The Iceman]

We've kept the point totals low against the Rams and Bucs, two of the worst offenses in the NFL. We haven't against the Lions(a pathetic offense) and the Giants. I wish I could say that I'm surprised that you are automatically in apologist mode, but I'm not lol.

LOL, our defense only gave up 16pts to the Giants. They scored via fumble return... You are just so eager to run your mouth that you completely overlook the facts. Not only that, but we held the Lions to 19 pts after the offense.

Ok, how about this... The Rams were held to 7 pts, ya they suck, but still 7 pts. The buccaneers? Ya they suck as well, but they are still an NFL team, we held them to 13 pts total (defense gave up 6). The lions? Held to 19 pts. (they put up 27 on the Saints, 13 on Minnesota, and 24 on the Bears.) And we held the Giants to 23 (defense only gave up 16) their lowest point total of the season. I'd say the defense is playing great. And most ppl that are not on some sort of misguided mission to prove otherwise would agree.

[smoak]

I saw AH force the play to change direction more than a few times. that's a huge impact, depsite not having the stats for it.

Too many time I see him get blown up in side by double teams. I think he has been average at best. The running lanes are big enough that even Portis culd run through them.

[BurgundyNGold]

Too many time I see him get blown up in side by double teams. I think he has been average at best. The running lanes are big enough that even Portis culd run through them.
Yeah, but that's kinda the point lol. ;)

[The Iceman]

Yeah, but that's kinda the point lol. ;)

Agreed, he's causing so much havok, they have to double team him every play. In theory, that should free up others to make more of an impact. Which I'd say it has since our defense doesn't give up very many points despite being on the field the whole game.

[LATrueRedskin]

Too many time I see him get blown up in side by double teams. I think he has been average at best. The running lanes are big enough that even Portis culd run through them.

Well, we want him taking up double teams. Hopefully someone else on defense would be free to make a play then. But they don't. I think overall Haynesworth has been pretty solid. I don't really care at all about his contract, so I'm not going to say whether or not he's living up to it.

[akhhorus]

LOL, our defense only gave up 16pts to the Giants. They scored via fumble return... You are just so eager to run your mouth that you completely overlook the facts. Not only that, but we held the Lions to 19 pts after the offense.

I'm dealing with nothing but the facts. And you're the same person after the Lions game who did nothing but whine about the refs(which was ridiculous).

Ok, how about this... The Rams were held to 7 pts, ya they suck, but still 7 pts.

They're been shut out twice already this season. And playing defense has more to do with points.

The buccaneers? Ya they suck as well, but they are still an NFL team, we held them to 13 pts total (defense gave up 6).

The defense gave up 13. And BnG and I went through how the Bucs offensive performance was better than the rest of the their games in this thread.

The lions? Held to 19 pts. (they put up 27 on the Saints, 13 on Minnesota, and 24 on the Bears.)

There's more to defense than points. Matt Stafford threw 5 Ints in his first 2 games, 0 against the skins. He also had his best game against the skins(along with the Lions' offense, who only could muster about 500 total yards in the first 2 weeks and had nearly 400 against the skins).

And we held the Giants to 23 (defense only gave up 16) their lowest point total of the season. I'd say the defense is playing great. And most ppl that are not on some sort of misguided mission to prove otherwise would agree.

The defense is one of the worst 3rd down defenses in the NFL(8th worst after today). They're also one of the worst TOP possession defenses(9th worst after today), most penalized defenses(13th worst in defensive penalties), one of the worst rushing defenses(10th worst in YPA, 6th worst in rushing yardage) and pass rushing/turnover defenses. And, they've played only 1 good offense so far this year. Pointing out the facts isn't any mission, much less a misguided one.

The defense is not playing great any way you want to slice it.

[smoak]

Yeah, but that's kinda the point lol. ;)

No, sorry. I had this argument with Mike after the Rams game. At times he holds the point of attack, but others he get blown out easily. Taking on double teams is onlly effective if we hold to point of attack rather than getting moved out of the way for big cutback runs. We haven't stopped anyones running game this year.

Watch Halto Nagi-saki (or whatever his name is) and compare the two. AH is the new Mr. 50/50 in my book. He'll make some blow up some plays, but he isn't playing to the level I saw in TN.

[smoak]

Agreed, he's causing so much havok, they have to double team him every play. In theory, that should free up others to make more of an impact. Which I'd say it has since our defense doesn't give up very many points despite being on the field the whole game.

The player I am watching is getting pushed leaving cutback lines the size of I-495 (at times).

[The Iceman]

The defense is one of the worst 3rd down defenses in the NFL(8th worst after today). They're also one of the worst TOP possession defenses(9th worst after today), most penalized defenses(13th worst in defensive penalties), one of the worst rushing defenses(10th worst in YPA, 6th worst in rushing yardage) and pass rushing/turnover defenses. And, they've played only 1 good offense so far this year. Pointing out the facts isn't any mission, much less a misguided one.

So, you would rather our defense be better in all these categories like some other defenses in the NFL that get more points scored on them??? The only stat that matters is POINTS. That's it. If our offense scores more points than the defense gives up, we win. And, our defense is more than making that possible. It's time for the offense to step up. The defense has definitely put us in a position to win in every game this season.

[The Iceman]

The player I am watching is getting pushed leaving cutback lines the size of I-495 (at times).

But you never see 1 guy doing that to him. He's not superman. If two guys are pushing at you, and they each weigh 300 pounds, and your pushing back and you weigh 330 pounds, your not often going to win that battle.

[Redskinfan28]

Good: We won.

Bad: We still suck.

Ugly: The offense and Albert's inability to play more than 5 plays on a series before he literally quits because he is tired. What a disaster.

[akhhorus]

So, you would rather our defense be better in all these categories like some other defenses in the NFL that get more points scored on them??? The only stat that matters is POINTS. That's it.

Thats not true at all, the NFL isn't that simple. A defense, especially if you have an offense that can't put up 3-4 TDs with consistency, needs to be able to get turnovers, stop opposing offenses on 3rd downs and get the ball back for the offense(especially on a short field). Blache's defense isn't doing that now and they still have teams like the Saints, Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Chargers and Falcons on the schedule.

If our offense scores more points than the defense gives up, we win. And, our defense is more than making that possible. It's time for the offense to step up. The defense has definitely put us in a position to win in every game this season.

I don't know which season you're watching, but the defense isn't doing that job. The skins have only faced 1 good offense this season so far and are struggling to stop the poor offenses they're facing now.

[smoak]

But you never see 1 guy doing that to him. He's not superman. If two guys are pushing at you, and they each weigh 300 pounds, and your pushing back and you weigh 330 pounds, your not often going to win that battle.

Im glad you're satisfied with mediocrity. If this team is going to even sniff .500, they need him to be Superman. Again, I was actually surprised, and I admittedly watch games more emotionally (yelling, cheering, etc.) than analytically.

Another thing that annoys me is when our D line gets too deep against a QB that can scramble.

All I know is we're near the bottom for a defense that is supposed to stop the run and has the most prized free agent in all the land. Something doesn't add up.

[InsomniaKiller]

hmmmmmm
Good ..... WIN
Bad ..... I guess because they didn't win by enough
Ugly ..... Those who don't like THIS team winning..... Tough S**t !!

Post of the year

[akhhorus]

Post of the year

:rolleyes: right, because everyone who isn't as optimistic as y'all wants the skins to lose. Why don't you superfans tell us what to think, that way we don't have to bother with having opinions. /sarcasm.

[InsomniaKiller]

:rolleyes: right, because everyone who isn't as optimistic as y'all wants the skins to lose. Why don't you superfans tell us what to think, that way we don't have to bother with having opinions. /sarcasm.

You read an awful lot into 4 very, very tiny words.

But I am sincerely sorry if me agreeing with someone offends you this much.

[akhhorus]

You read an awful lot into 4 very, very tiny words.

But I am sincerely sorry if me agreeing with someone offends you this much.

My issue is more with Patrick's post, but I didn't see it until you quoted it. What offends me is the notion that if you don't think all is rosy with the skins, you're rooting for them to fail. Thats horsecrap.

[InsomniaKiller]

My issue is more with Patrick's post, but I didn't see it until you quoted it. What offends me is the notion that if you don't think all is rosy with the skins, you're rooting for them to fail. Thats horsecrap.

The problem with this notion being, of course, that you just entirely made it up. If he said something of that nature, I'm not aware of it, but it certainly wasn't in the post I quoted. I know I didn't say anything of that nature, either, nor do I believe it.

What I DO agree with is this:

We played a dismal half of football. Then, we came back and played what I would consider to be a very good half of football, made a comeback, and won the game. We had a running game, we had a big play for a long touchdown. This, to me, is great. If it's not good enough for you, well. . . Like Patrick said so very eloquently, "tough s**t."

That's how I took it, but I guess that's just me reading an awful lot into his few tiny, tiny words as well.

[akhhorus]

The problem with this notion being, of course, that you just entirely made it up. If he said something of that nature, I'm not aware of it, but it certainly wasn't in the post I quoted. I know I didn't say anything of that nature, either, nor do I believe it.


I thought it was pretty clear from his post and his past comments on the subject, so I didn't just made it up.

What I DO agree with is this:

We played a dismal half of football. Then, we came back and played what I would consider to be a very good half of football, made a comeback, and won the game. We had a running game, we had a big play for a long touchdown. This, to me, is great. If it's not good enough for you, well. . . Like Patrick said so very eloquently, "tough s**t."


Tough and ugly wins are great...when they happen against good teams. Not against teams that struggle to do anything right.

[The Iceman]

My issue is more with Patrick's post, but I didn't see it until you quoted it. What offends me is the notion that if you don't think all is rosy with the skins, you're rooting for them to fail. Thats horsecrap.

Your just constantly down on everything the Redskins do. Are you an ex-employee that got fired or something? There is some deep seeded hatred there. Someone's gonna need to get into some off the field trouble if we start winning b/c then you won't have anything to bitch about. (joking... I'm sure you'll find something.)

[akhhorus]

Your just constantly down on everything the Redskins do. Are you an ex-employee that got fired or something? There is some deep seeded hatred there. Someone's gonna need to get into some off the field trouble if we start winning b/c then you won't have anything to bitch about. (joking... I'm sure you'll find something.)

Its hilarious that I was once called an apologist here for thinking we had a good team and now I'm a "hater" for daring to criticize the skins. I'm sorry that we can't be mindless apologists/cheerleaders like you, but I'll call it like I see it whether you like it or not. The skins looked like a bad team before the season, they've only looked worse since the season started, and this is the easy part of the schedule they're dealing with. If you think that this is a playoff team, you're sadly mistaken(barring some miracle). I'd love for this team to be a good team, but they just don't have it this year.

[The Iceman]

Its hilarious that I was once called an apologist here for thinking we had a good team and now I'm a "hater" for daring to criticize the skins. I'm sorry that we can't be mindless apologists/cheerleaders like you, but I'll call it like I see it whether you like it or not. The skins looked like a bad team before the season, they've only looked worse since the season started, and this is the easy part of the schedule they're dealing with. If you think that this is a playoff team, you're sadly mistaken(barring some miracle). I'd love for this team to be a good team, but they just don't have it this year.

We'll agree to disagree. I think you love to complain no matter if they are winning or not. MO. Have a nice night. Gonna go watch "nothing but the truth" again. That movie is phenomenal.

[shally]

The problem with this notion being, of course, that you just entirely made it up. If he said something of that nature, I'm not aware of it, but it certainly wasn't in the post I quoted. I know I didn't say anything of that nature, either, nor do I believe it.

What I DO agree with is this:

We played a dismal half of football. Then, we came back and played what I would consider to be a very good half of football, made a comeback, and won the game. We had a running game, we had a big play for a long touchdown. This, to me, is great. If it's not good enough for you, well. . . Like Patrick said so very eloquently, "tough s**t."

That's how I took it, but I guess that's just me reading an awful lot into his few tiny, tiny words as well.

it is most certainly NOT good enough for me.. if this was the Giants, or Cowboys or Eagles, i could accept, grudgingly, an inept first half.. but this was the BUCS, who will finish with one of the 3 worst records in the NFL.. they were playing a late round pick in his first game as a starter, and he STILL was outplaying our 5th year QB...

it was outrageous that a team that had a collective opponents qb rating of 111
for 3 games was handling our starter with a 16 rating..

so we rescued Zorn's bacon with a decent second half-- or more accurately, a solid 3rd quarter.. that is simply not enough

[akhhorus]

We'll agree to disagree. I think you love to complain no matter if they are winning or not. MO. Have a nice night. Gonna go watch "nothing but the truth" again. That movie is phenomenal.

You can believe any stupidity you want to, but I was the person who wrote that the skins were the best team in the NFL midway through Zorn's hot streak to start his head coaching career. Why let facts stand in your way there, eh Mrs. Snyder?

[InsomniaKiller]

it is most certainly NOT good enough for me.. if this was the Giants, or Cowboys or Eagles, i could accept, grudgingly, an inept first half.. but this was the BUCS, who will finish with one of the 3 worst records in the NFL.. they were playing a late round pick in his first game as a starter, and he STILL was outplaying our 5th year QB...

it was outrageous that a team that had a collective opponents qb rating of 111
for 3 games was handling our starter with a 16 rating..

so we rescued Zorn's bacon with a decent second half-- or more accurately, a solid 3rd quarter.. that is simply not enough


Tony Romo was inept for the first half against the Bucs. He was absolutely terrible until the final minute of the half. Shutting down a player for 30 minutes isn't enough. I have a hard time believing we'd be patting ourselves on the back if we stopped any player for one half and then ended up letting them win the game. So why are we going to be disappointed when our guys rebound from a bad half to come back and win the game for us?

[akhhorus]

Tony Romo was inept for the first half against the Bucs. He was absolutely terrible until the final minute of the half. Shutting down a player for 30 minutes isn't enough. I have a hard time believing we'd be patting ourselves on the back if we stopped any player for one half and then ended up letting them win the game. So why are we going to be disappointed when our guys rebound from a bad half to come back and win the game for us?

The Cowboys did put 34 on the Bucs without much problem(Romo did have 350+ yards against them). The Giants shut them out 24-0. They're(the Bucs) not a good team, and we struggled to beat them. Thats(much like the St Louis game) is the very disappointing part. If the Skins want to be a quality team, they have to be destroying teams like Tampa because they can't BS a first half against teams like Philly/New Orleans/Dallas/etc and expect to only be down 10 at half.

[InsomniaKiller]

The Cowboys did put 34 on the Bucs without much problem(Romo did have 350+ yards against them). The Giants shut them out 24-0. They're(the Bucs) not a good team, and we struggled to beat them. Thats(much like the St Louis game) is the very disappointing part. If the Skins want to be a quality team, they have to be destroying teams like Tampa because they can't BS a first half against teams like Philly/New Orleans/Dallas/etc and expect to only be down 10 at half.

The fact that the Cowboys came out and dropped 34 points on them was kind of my point, though. In response to Shally's comment that a quarterback being shut down for a half against the Bucs in unacceptable, I was making the point that shutting down a player for 30 minutes in a 60 minute game is pretty meaningless, particularly if they win the game in the next 30. Although, to be fair, Romo was only shut down for 29 minutes, but I think that's kinda irrelevant.

Also irrelevant is the fact that Romo dropping ridiculous numbers on them was only due to the Bucs players having apparently no grasp as to their responsibilities in their new defensive scheme. His yards and touchdowns came from busted defensive plays were guys were literally not covered in any capacity whatsoever. But, the numbers are what they are and that's why Tampa lost that game, so, yeah, irrelevant.

I just said a lot of irrelevant things.

I think my point was that shutting down a player for 30 minutes isn't good enough, so I can't hate on one of our guys getting shut down for 30 and then winning the game.

[akhhorus]

The fact that the Cowboys came out and dropped 34 points on them was kind of my point, though. In response to Shally's comment that a quarterback being shut down for a half against the Bucs in unacceptable, I was making the point that shutting down a player for 30 minutes in a 60 minute game is pretty meaningless, particularly if they win the game in the next 30. Although, to be fair, Romo was only shut down for 29 minutes, but I think that's kinda irrelevant.

Also irrelevant is the fact that Romo dropping ridiculous numbers on them was only due to the Bucs players having apparently no grasp as to their responsibilities in their new defensive scheme. His yards and touchdowns came from busted defensive plays were guys were literally not covered in any capacity whatsoever. But, the numbers are what they are and that's why Tampa lost that game, so, yeah, irrelevant.


So...the Tampa players knew their responsibilities for the first half, but suddenly fell apart? huh? That makes no sense. And the bills put up 33 on the Bucs, and the Giants destroyed them as well. The Bucs just are a bad team, and the Skins struggled to beat a bad team.

I just said a lot of irrelevant things.

I think my point was that shutting down a player for 30 minutes isn't good enough, so I can't hate on one of our guys getting shut down for 30 and then winning the game.

Their play is their play is their play. Criticizing the Skins for struggling against a bad team is fair. If the skins blasted them 30-0, then criticism is probably bordering on nitpicking, no?

[InsomniaKiller]

they can't BS a first half against teams like Philly/New Orleans/Dallas/etc and expect to only be down 10 at half.

Forgot to add that I certainly agree with this as well. If we have an awful half against Philly or New Orleans, we're probably screwed. Dallas isn't exactly an offensive juggernaut right now, but having a terrible half against any team is certainly not putting yourself in the best position to win.

The reason I'm ok with them having a bad half against Tampa is because, well, they did enough to win the game, quite frankly. If they have a bad half against ANYBODY else and still manage to win the game, I'm ok with that, too. I don't care what team it is. That's why it's a 60 minute game. Do enough to win in those 60 minutes, and there aren't many situations I can think of where I wouldn't be pretty happy.

Doing so against Philly or New Orleans would be quite difficult. And I will agree that we need to see improvement before we play these teams if we expect to put ourselves in a position to win those games.

[InsomniaKiller]

So...the Tampa players knew their responsibilities for the first half, but suddenly fell apart? huh? That makes no sense. And the bills put up 33 on the Bucs, and the Giants destroyed them as well. The Bucs just are a bad team, and the Skins struggled to beat a bad team.

Did you watch the game? The receivers weren't covered and when the replays were shown, it was clear that the defenders didn't understand their responsibility in the play. I'm not suggesting that they somehow "forgot" the system in the second half. I'm saying they didn't know it very well to begin with, and they blew it in the second half. The three plays where they opted not to cover a receiver, or an entire half of the field, kind of back that up.

The Bills and the Giants destroyed them, but that is irrelevant to what I was even talking about, my point being that shutting down a quarterback for one half DOESN'T MATTER. That's all my point was in bringing up the Cowboys game, dude. That's it, and I've said it a couple of times now. The Giants have nothing to do with that, nor do the Bills, unless you want to look at games where Eli Manning or Trent Edwards or freaking Jim Kelly for all I care were shut down for a good chunk of the game and then managed to win.

[akhhorus]

Did you watch the game? The receivers weren't covered and when the replays were shown, it was clear that the defenders didn't understand their responsibility in the play. I'm not suggesting that they somehow "forgot" the system in the second half. I'm saying they didn't know it very well to begin with, and they blew it in the second half.

Yeah, I watched that game, and it wasn't just blown coverages, the Bucs couldn't tackle to save their lives. I think it was the Austin touchdown where 3 defenders had him, and let him slip through.

Tampa is a bad team period.


The Bills and the Giants destroyed them, but that is irrelevant to what I was even talking about, my point being that shutting down a quarterback for one half DOESN'T MATTER. That's all my point was in bringing up the Cowboys game, dude. That's it, and I've said it a couple of times now. The Giants have nothing to do with that, nor do the Bills, unless you want to look at games where Eli Manning or Trent Edwards or freaking Jim Kelly for all I care were shut down for a good chunk of the game and then managed to win.

I apologize, I thought you were trying to point out the quality of the Bucs in its entirety.

[InsomniaKiller]

I apologize, I thought you were trying to point out the quality of the Bucs in its entirety.

Not at all, I definitely think that the Bucs are a very bad team and I had my head in my hands through much of the first half of the game. I was definitely concerned that we would lose the game. But I will never concede that a game is over by halftime when we're down by 10, because things change way too quickly in the NFL.

The only game I can recall giving up on in recent years was the New England disaster.

I'm exhausted, y'all have a good night.

(Funny that as I was typing this, I was unaware that the Chargers had managed to come back after being down 28-0 at halftime in the MNF game. I very well may have given up on that one . . . )

[skinsfan36]

good-orakpo(not at lb),jarmon,moss td,cooley,campbells 3rd qtr,halls pick
bad-rogers hands,run d,coaching,pa announcer
ugly-barely beating what may be the nfls worst team in 09,rest of campbells game

[The Iceman]

You can believe any stupidity you want to, but I was the person who wrote that the skins were the best team in the NFL midway through Zorn's hot streak to start his head coaching career. Why let facts stand in your way there, eh Mrs. Snyder?

I haven't said a single thing about Zorn or Snyder.... I'm talking about how your bagging on Greg Blache and the defense when it is clearly playing well. How many other teams have allowed fewer points this season than us? Your always trying to deflect when you know your WRONG! And, btw, I was pretty high on them last year midseason as well. Go back and read the posts. I know you will.

[smoak]

:rolleyes: right, because everyone who isn't as optimistic as y'all wants the skins to lose. Why don't you superfans tell us what to think, that way we don't have to bother with having opinions. /sarcasm.

Unless I missed something (usual), this is in response to the jackassery discussed in the thread about wanting the team to lose. I'm as down on our prospect as anyone, but I'll be damned if i ever want to see them lose. Calling those of us who were happy we won (ugly or not) is wrong. We shod have crushed Tampa, but the reality is that we ae not a great football team and there is something to be said qbot winning a 9 round bout when you got knocked to the canvass repeatedly in early going.

My concern now is Carolina....

[smoak]

Tony Romo was inept for the first half against the Bucs. He was absolutely terrible until the final minute of the half. Shutting down a player for 30 minutes isn't enough. I have a hard time believing we'd be patting ourselves on the back if we stopped any player for one half and then ended up letting them win the game. So why are we going to be disappointed when our guys rebound from a bad half to come back and win the game for us?

blind hatred. People are just to focused on the negatives. It would be interesting every week to pull together all the comments into on final post.

[joethefan]

I know I'm gonna get fried for this but I don't care:

Many of us have the right to gt on Jason for the first half...i truley thought Zorn would bench him and go with Collins. I was shocked Jason came out the second half....having said that... It seems he's getting no credit for bouncing back after playing his worse half of football as a pro.....many of you are quick to mention how great Cooley was, but forget the guy that got him the ball.....very interesting....


I was actually for jason getting benched and I/we had good reason, but the guy did recover and threw two of the best passes I've seen since he's bee here......the Pass to Santana was the best pass he has ever thrown as a Skin.....it was truley on the money while moss was in stride....yes we've been looking for that pass for a long time and it finally came but he did deliver it. All I'm saying is give him some credit for boucing back....

If he didn't recover everyone here woud be saying that't the season, that's the end of Jason, but it didn't turn out that way.

[smoak]

I'm as big of a Campbell guy as you'll find, but what will be telling is how we play against Carolina. If JC takes some momentum out of his worst game as a pro then all is well... But frankly I fear our oline gets exposed this week.

But JTF, you can't expect Campbell to get credit after a half like that!!

[helimech24]

The good: TB kicker missed 2 FGs in the first half that kept us in the game for the comeback; scoring in the redzone; jason campbell scrambling and using some of his talent to get us going when nothing else was...

The bad: 4 turnovers from our QB; Campbell not stepping into the pocket when he gets outside pressure; Rogers playing 20 yards off of the receivers most of the game!

The Ugly: letting Cadillac run all over our defense when there was no threat of a passing attack; bad offensive play calling by Zorn most of the game; Blache refusing to actually blitz a rookie qb on a consistant bases; Campbell admitting that he was playing for Zorn to keep his job when he came out in the second half!

[akhhorus]

I haven't said a single thing about Zorn or Snyder.... I'm talking about how your bagging on Greg Blache and the defense when it is clearly playing well. How many other teams have allowed fewer points this season than us? Your always trying to deflect when you know your WRONG! And, btw, I was pretty high on them last year midseason as well. Go back and read the posts. I know you will.

The defense, despite your optimism, isn't playing well. They've played 4 games, 3 of them against piss poor offenses and they're struggling. The NFL isn't as simplistic as you want it to be, there's far more to defense than sheer number of points let up(especially since the defense gets tagged statistically for every single point scored on the team, whether the offense or special teams gave up the touchdown). By your simplistic criteria, the Skins have a better defense than Baltimore or Philly(which just isn't true) and Denver has one of the greatest defenses in NFL history so far(also not true). The Skins play the same weak zone scheme week in and week out, and if they face even a decent QB, they struggle badly because they just can't stop them.

[dogfight6]

The Good- Fletcher
The Bad- This could be the Skins last win.
The Ugly-Playing down to other teams level.

[The Iceman]

The defense, despite your optimism, isn't playing well. They've played 4 games, 3 of them against piss poor offenses and they're struggling. The NFL isn't as simplistic as you want it to be, there's far more to defense than sheer number of points let up(especially since the defense gets tagged statistically for every single point scored on the team, whether the offense or special teams gave up the touchdown). By your simplistic criteria, the Skins have a better defense than Baltimore or Philly(which just isn't true) and Denver has one of the greatest defenses in NFL history so far(also not true). The Skins play the same weak zone scheme week in and week out, and if they face even a decent QB, they struggle badly because they just can't stop them.

You say they are struggling. I say holding a team giants team to 16 offensive pts isn't struggling. I say holding the Bucs to basically 6 pts isn't struggling. Holding the Rams to 7 points isn't struggling. Holding the Lions to 19 pts is mediocre, but 3 out of 4 defenses they have played have let up at least that many pts to them. The defense is the only reason we are not 0-4 and all you can do is blast them. It's to be expected though. All you do anymore is point out the negatives (as is apparent in your Ahk's thoughts week 4 post). Fact.


Just a thought, but if we win the game. IT CAN'T ALL BE NEGATIVE. Just let yourself be happy about the win without blowing everyone up every week. HR is turning into Ahk's little demolition zone. LOL, THE DEFENSE IS GOOD. Nay, GREAT!!!

[Redskinmayhem]

LOL at the people who still want to defend Jason. I'd like to see him put together....3 games (I would settle for 4 quarters) of consistant performance, good decisions and making plays when it counts (not just putting up stats in garbage time). Yes, Jason made some plays yesterday...against the Bucs. Where were those plays against the Giants? Don't use the garbage time TD to Cooley either. Jason is too streaky at this point in his career. If he was a rookie or even a second year QB, I'd say ok but in his 5th year? The guy still looks and plays like a rookie.

Jason is not our QB of the future.

Having said that, I'll be the first in line to eat crow (I want him to succeed) if he puts togehter a decent season.

[BurgundyNGold]

You say they are struggling. I say holding a team giants team to 16 offensive pts isn't struggling. I say holding the Bucs to basically 6 pts isn't struggling. Holding the Rams to 7 points isn't struggling. Holding the Lions to 19 pts is mediocre, but 3 out of 4 defenses they have played have let up at least that many pts to them. The defense is the only reason we are not 0-4 and all you can do is blast them. It's to be expected though. All you do anymore is point out the negatives (as is apparent in your Ahk's thoughts week 4 post). Fact.

Just a thought, but if we win the game. IT CAN'T ALL BE NEGATIVE. Just let yourself be happy about the win without blowing everyone up every week. HR is turning into Ahk's little demolition zone. LOL, THE DEFENSE IS GOOD. Nay, GREAT!!!
I think this illustrates where your disconnect is. You can't say that the defense "basically" held the Bucs to 6 points because they didn't. That would be like if someone on the opposite side of your position said that the defense "basically" gave up 19 points -- if the Bucs' PK didn't miss what should have been two relatively routine FGs.

The Gints, I can give credit for from a points perspective. But the Gints game was nowhere near as close as the score, either. We were their little rag doll in that game on both sides of the ball. I don't think the Gints took it out of 3rd gear at any point in that game.

The sad fact is that the Bucs -- one of the top 5 if not 3 worst teams in the NFL, with a rookie HC, played a QB in his first career start -- led a listless Redskins most of the game and nearly won until giving away the game. I cannot give credit for our defense giving up 13 points to that squad, just as I cannot credit the offense for scoring enough points to win.

What I will say is that a win is a win. We're 2-2, just like Dallass. That's the bright spot, for me. But our offense is inept and our defense is slow death.

Just a thought, but if we win the game. IT CAN'T ALL BE NEGATIVE. Just let yourself be happy about the win without blowing everyone up every week. HR is turning into Ahk's little demolition zone. LOL, THE DEFENSE IS GOOD. Nay, GREAT!!!
Dude, the defense is middle of the road, at best, but more likely is bottom 1/3. That sucks. Blache is wasting and misusing talent on a criminal scale every week, as well. This team *could* have a very good defense. Stating that it doesn't isn't wrong.

[Hr fan]

Good: Portis playing hurt, Cooley playing well, Campbell in the 3rd quarter
Bad: Campbell in the rest of the game, the oline, the coaching
Ugly: Blache's supposedly new defense, special teams, everything else lol.

+1. Would add that the play of some youth (Jarmon, Alexander, Horton, and surprisingly Tryon) might, only might, give some help to a rebuilding effort.

[Brokenstriker]

I seems he's getting no credit for bouncing back after playing his worse hafe of football as a pro....

I think you make a fair point. I do give Campbell credit for bouncing back from about the worst QB performance I can recall in the first half to a very good 3rd quarter. I just don't think that bounce back sufficiently offsets the depths of horrid that his first half was, or the back-siding he did after connecting with Moss for the bomb. His fourth quarter wasn't as bad as the first half, but it was still bad. Great that the 3rd quarter happened but it really needs to be his usual condition as opposed to the occasional and short lived flash in an otherwise dreadful string of quarters. If or when he flips it to 3 good to great quarters and 1 bad one ... that would be something to lead with ... but if you really think about it ... "we've" (fans, sports shows, etc.) collectively fried QBs who have 3 good and 1 terrible quarter in the past where the they only get a pass if the team managed to win in spite of their performance.
Lots of things out of his control are compounding his situation ... the line play ... dropped passes (although I put at least half of that on the QB unless it was a perfectly thrown ball) ... the play calling ... the constant "coaching" he gets on the headsets (really ... someone should take the headset away from Zorn and give Campbell a break ... just send the play in and shut up). But honestly ... I don't care ... I want the QB to be good to great regardless and I want the team to win.

[dj_stouty]

The TD pass to Moss was a thing of beauty. They need to try that play on an opening drive to let the defense know what this offense is capable of; even in spurts. Try it on the first play. Or even better; hand it off to CP, have him flip it back to JC and let er rip. If it works 3 times out of 10...great! Even when it fails, it will resonate with the defense.

I do have to give kudos to JC for bouncing back. Had he given up a 5th turnover you know Zorn would have had no other option than to bench him. He still has fight, which is good to see. Many other QBs would have caved under the pressure.

That being said; he still looked lost at times. Too often he locked onto receivers and checked down too quickly when he didn't need to. What happened to all of those 15-25 yard strikes down the middle of the field that we saw early last season? His mechanics are clearly no better than when he came out of college and it shows when he is required to get the ball out quickly. That big wind-up is a hinderance.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. JC is a pleaser and Zorn is giving him too much to think about pre-snap. The position of QB is hard enough without your coach giving you an earful prior to the snap. Due to this; JC can't find that happy balance between being agressive & conservative during a single series. Seems like we get one or the other...

[akhhorus]

You say they are struggling. I say holding a team giants team to 16 offensive pts isn't struggling. I say holding the Bucs to basically 6 pts isn't struggling. Holding the Rams to 7 points isn't struggling. Holding the Lions to 19 pts is mediocre, but 3 out of 4 defenses they have played have let up at least that many pts to them. The defense is the only reason we are not 0-4 and all you can do is blast them. It's to be expected though. All you do anymore is point out the negatives (as is apparent in your Ahk's thoughts week 4 post). Fact.

No, not a fact. I give credit where credit is due. But the facts are the facts about the defense whether or not you want to acknowledge them. In fact, you can't respond to anything BnG or I have pointed out except with repetition and plattitudes.

Just a thought, but if we win the game. IT CAN'T ALL BE NEGATIVE. Just let yourself be happy about the win without blowing everyone up every week. HR is turning into Ahk's little demolition zone. LOL, THE DEFENSE IS GOOD. Nay, GREAT!!!

I'm happy they won, but no one can be happy about how they looked. That's a fact. And no, the defense is not good. Holding 2 of the worst offenses in the league to 20 points total isn't something to celebrate. And if you don't like what I'm writing, then ignore list me or leave the board, because your campaign against reality/facts isn't going to affect my opinion one bit. We all know you're just Snyder's cheerleader on the board lol.

[silverspring]

the good: The defense.
the bad: the offense.
the ugly: campbell.

[akhhorus]

I think this illustrates where your disconnect is. You can't say that the defense "basically" held the Bucs to 6 points because they didn't. That would be like if someone on the opposite side of your position said that the defense "basically" gave up 19 points -- if the Bucs' PK didn't miss what should have been two relatively routine FGs.

The Gints, I can give credit for from a points perspective. But the Gints game was nowhere near as close as the score, either. We were their little rag doll in that game on both sides of the ball. I don't think the Gints took it out of 3rd gear at any point in that game.

The sad fact is that the Bucs -- one of the top 5 if not 3 worst teams in the NFL, with a rookie HC, played a QB in his first career start -- led a listless Redskins most of the game and nearly won until giving away the game. I cannot give credit for our defense giving up 13 points to that squad, just as I cannot credit the offense for scoring enough points to win.

What I will say is that a win is a win. We're 2-2, just like Dallass. That's the bright spot, for me. But our offense is inept and our defense is slow death.


Dude, the defense is middle of the road, at best, but more likely is bottom 1/3. That sucks. Blache is wasting and misusing talent on a criminal scale every week, as well. This team *could* have a very good defense. Stating that it doesn't isn't wrong.

+1. Anyone who thinks that limiting a crappy offense with a kid making his first start to 13 points is a good performance is kidding themselves.

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I I seems he's getting no credit for bouncing back after playing his worse hafe of football as a pro.....many of you are quick to mention how great Cooley was, but forget the guy that got him the ball.....very interesting....



What so interesting about it? Cooley has been one of the constant brightspots on this team, whereas JC simply hasn't. Yeah, he played a good second half, but he doesnt get my praise because he has yet to show consistency in his abilities to read defenses and make the throws you speak of. JC for me still has some digging to do to get out of the hole hes dug for himself. I will say he made strides toward success and progress, but im not getting my hopes up on one half against a horrible team.

PS- Our defense sucks. Probably just scheme and misuse of the talent, but they arent good.