PFT: Zorn Nudges Toward Unemployment

[LATrueRedskin]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/04/zorn-nudges-toward-unemployment/

Adam Schefter of ESPN, citing multiple unnamed sources, reports that it's now not a matter of if but when, when it comes to the end of Zorn's tenure with the team.

Per Schefter, barring a trip to the playoffs and at least one win, Zorn most likely will be out.

Not a shocker, and it's unlikely that Zorn accomplishes what is needed.

[JasonCampbell]

So, basically Snyder is going to end up giving Zorn, a never before coordinator, play caller, and head coach two years to install a brand new offense, while being told who his assistants and QB (whose style didn't fit the offense in the first place) were going to be.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

he can't hire a coach if he lets zorn go and hire a new coach halfway into the season because of the rooney rule.he can name an interum coach,but can't interview anybody until the season is over can he?

[Gravy]

...Vinny BETTER be going with him...

[shally]

if he had lost today.. and been shut out, i firmly believe Snyder would have canned him this week..

by winning, i think he has given snyder enough cover to last to the bye week.. beyond that, i think it will be week to week circling the bowl

[Irish Redskin]

I have a sneaky feeling that Greg Williams could be winging his way to DC as Head Coach...

[joethefan]

he can't hire a coach if he lets zorn go and hire a new coach halfway into the season because of the rooney rule.he can name an interum coach,but can't interview anybody until the season is over can he?

He can bring in someone to be a part of the staff as a consultant towards the end of the season and give him the job. So if you hire form within it's ok. You won't have to go that route. I think Tampa did that with Morris. Hell, knowing Snyder he'll interview Gregg Blache while walking him to the front door and patting him on his back saying, " thanks Gregg for everything. Don't spend all that money in one place", just to say he interviewed a minority, then go to the bathroom wash his hands and walk into the press conference introducing his next head coach.

if he had lost today.. and been shut out, i firmly believe Snyder would have canned him this week..

By winning, i think he has given snyder enough cover to last to the bye week.. beyond that, i think it will be week to week circling the bowl
We are officially on ZORN WATCH...LOL

I have a sneaky feeling that Greg Williams could be winging his way to DC as Head Coach...

Snyder hated GW and Vice Versa He'll never come here, only to coach against us....LOL

[Gravy]

I have a sneaky feeling that Greg Williams could be winging his way to DC as Head Coach...

Huh? Gregg HATES Dan...I believe that Gregg thought the HC job here was his...

[Irish Redskin]

I thought I read somewhere they were still good friends...

My mistake.

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

Huh? Gregg HATES Dan...I believe that Gregg thought the HC job here was his...

on another thread on this forum,somebody said that cerrato was the one who did'nt want williams as head coach,not snyder.whomever he gets,and i hope it's cowher.but whomever has to really wack this team with discipline.
these guys do not look or act like pros in my view.they dress like bums going into the lockerroom before the game,some wear ties and look like pros,but moss,portis,and a bunch of others look pathetic.skins need a coach who makes them be 100 professional on and off the field.

[MDBluefinCrab]

I have a sneaky feeling that Greg Williams could be winging his way to DC as Head Coach...

I really don't think so. I wish he would but with the way this owner operates, it's highly unlikely and it's even more unlikely that any big named coach will come here unless the little owner guarantees that he'll keep his dirty little fingers out of team decisions.

[HAWGZHEAD]

This just in: Adam Schefter has been reading pre-season threads at hR.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

This just in: Adam Schefter has been reading pre-season threads at hR.
Basically. :lol1:

If we had a viable coach on the staff to take over as interim head coach, I believe he'd be gone by the bye week depending on our record, but I seriously think the ineptitude of the staff is a double edged sword. They aren't helping Jim win games and they're helping him stay employed for now, all at the same time, lol.

[Redskinmayhem]

Huh? Gregg HATES Dan...I believe that Gregg thought the HC job here was his...

George Michael said that GregG (the last G for emphasis lol) and Danny could never co-exist.

[shally]

George Michael said that GregG (the last G for emphasis lol) and Danny could never co-exist.

just like Marty couldnt ? money talks...

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

anybody less than tony dungy or bill cowher,will fail as skins coach,especially if snyder and his pet hemmoroid vinny are still running the team!:giantsuk::giantsuk:

[NamVet4]

All this "multiple unnamed sources" brouhaha just really encourages the Team! Here and now, the season is lost.. no matter how long Coach Zorn stays; no matter who is made interim coach. I believe that for the most part, the players are prepared to wait it out and expect, another change... This is truly hard to witness the downfall of a once proud franchise....Sad ~

[Moe]

There are simply too many shiny head coaching toys for this to have lasted very long without overwhleming success. IOW, nothing new.

[cal_junior]

anybody less than tony dungy or bill cowher,will fail as skins coach,especially if snyder and his pet hemmoroid vinny are still running the team!:giantsuk::giantsuk:

Boy I hope it's not Tony Dungy, I'm not sure I could root for that guy.

[bigcmr]

...Vinny BETTER be going with him...

Unless Vinny goes with Zorn. It will be the same crap for another 2-3 years.

[sinskin]

Boy I hope it's not Tony Dungy, I'm not sure I could root for that guy.

We could only hope to get the likes of Tony Dungy!

We would be very lucky imo.

[LATrueRedskin]

Boy I hope it's not Tony Dungy, I'm not sure I could root for that guy.

Why not?

[IH Brave]

Why not?

I was wondering the same thing. I'd love to have a guy like Dungy as coach. However I think he really is retired. Not like Brett Farve retired. Or Floyd Mayweather. Or Jay-Z. You get my drift don't you?

[cal_junior]

Why not?

Off-the-field stuff, mostly.

Though wasn't he a defensive coach who constantly had mediocre defenses in Indy?

[Cowboys Suck]

Off-the-field stuff, mostly.

Though wasn't he a defensive coach who constantly had mediocre defenses in Indy?

You do realize people are referring to Tony Dungy from the Super Bowl winning Colts, right? :confused:

[LATrueRedskin]

Off-the-field stuff, mostly.

Though wasn't he a defensive coach who constantly had mediocre defenses in Indy?

What off-the-field stuff?

[cal_junior]

You do realize people are referring to Tony Dungy from the Super Bowl winning Colts, right? :confused:

I do. I kind of look at him as the reverse Brian Billick:

Billick was an offensive-minded coach who won a SB because of his great defense. Dungy was a defensive-minded coach won won a SB because of his great offense.

I think it's debatable how important those guys were to those championships.

[cal_junior]

What off-the-field stuff?

Probably better discussed in another forum. Suffice it to say I don't have much respect for him as a person.

[Cowboys Suck]

Probably better discussed in another forum. Suffice it to say I don't have much respect for him as a person.

If the mods want to move this discussion, that's fine...but you are throwing your skewed opinion of one of the most respected SB winning coaches around without legitimate facts to support your opinion.

Why don't you have respect for Mr. Dungy as a person? I have no problem with a person having an opinion, but at least base your opinion off of facts instead of throwing out fluff just for the sake of making a post.

[cal_junior]

If the mods want to move this discussion, that's fine...but you are throwing your skewed opinion of one of the most respected SB winning coaches around without legitimate facts to support your opinion.

Why don't you have respect for Mr. Dungy as a person? I have no problem with a person having an opinion, but at least base your opinion off of facts instead of throwing out fluff just for the sake of making a post.

He's intolerant and close-minded. And there is plenty of evidence to suport that. Happy?

As to his coaching shortcomings, how about this:

In eight years as head coach in Indy he had one top-5 defense. One. I think he's a fine coach who benefited from having one of the great quarterbacks of all time on his team.

[helimech24]

anybody less than tony dungy or bill cowher,will fail as skins coach,especially if snyder and his pet hemmoroid vinny are still running the team!:giantsuk::giantsuk:Don't think either one of them would take the job is Vinny-I can't draft was still here.

[Cowboys Suck]

He's intolerant and close-minded. And there is plenty of evidence to suport that. Happy?

As to his coaching shortcomings, how about this:

In eight years as head coach in Indy he had one top-5 defense. One. I think he's a fine coach who benefited from having one of the great quarterbacks of all time on his team.

Okay, let me get this straight.

First, you accuse a man of being "intolerant and close-minded" with no supporting evidence.

Secondly, you are criticizing a coach for inheriting an All-World QB and only having one top 5 defense during his tenure. Other than Bill Cowher, Tom Coughlin and Bill Belichick, how many recent, defensive-minded HCs put together a SB winning team with a top 5 defense?

We could and HAVE done much worse than Dungy.

2008 (11th), 2007 (3rd), 2006 (21th), 2005 (11th), 2004 (28th), 2003 (8th), 2002 (14th)...don't know about you, but these stats coupled with Peyton Manning are pretty appealing to me.

A$$ kicking, fire breathing coaches are great to have, but don't discount a man's talents because he's not acting like a lunatic on the sidelines.

I would not oppose the hiring of Dungy has a HC, but he would not be my first choice. To have a coach who preaches decency, hard work and personal accountability would definitely be a step in the right direction for the Skins. I'm not poo poo'ing your right to an opinion, I would just like to hear/see a legitimate, well thought out argument/example.

[Cowboys Suck]

Off-the-field stuff, mostly.

Though wasn't he a defensive coach who constantly had mediocre defenses in Indy?

Still curious about the "off-the-field" comment you made. Can you enlighten us please?

[Death_Venom]

Still curious about the "off-the-field" comment you made. Can you enlighten us please?

I think it is hard to have an elite or great defense when your offense players consume over half your cap space each season.

[cal_junior]

To have a coach who preaches decency, hard work and personal accountability would definitely be a step in the right direction for the Skins.

I'd rather get a coach who can consistently win important games. Dungy's teams tended to underachieve on the big stage.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Still curious about the "off-the-field" comment you made. Can you enlighten us please?

Yeah, I don't follow that either. All reasons posted following that comment were on-field not off-field. By all accounts Dungy is a class act.

[dj_stouty]

Tony Dungy helped turned around a Bucs organization that was historically one of the worst in sports. When he took over the team in '96 the franchise had not had a winning record since '81! 15 years of pathetic football. In year 2 of his stint he got them a playoff win. In 6 seasons he took them to the playoffs 4 times and eventually handed over the keys of the Porshe to Gruden who rode that gravy-train defense all the way to the SB win. Tony has experience in turning around a franchise. Sounds like something the Redskins could use.

Regardless; I think Dungy isn't ready to come back to coaching. He has had some trauma in his personal life and his family needs him a lot more than Clinton Portis and Laron Landry do...

I have nothing but full respect for Tony Dungy.

[lorimike]

Recycling a coach with past sucess has not worked here. The problem is in the front office. Until Snyder realizes he needs to hire a competent front office we will get the same result. Big name free agent aquisitions who's best days are played has not worked here.

[joethefan]

There's gotta be another underlined reason why someone wouldn't want Dungy as a HC.....

IMO he wouldn't come here anyway...if he were smart and I think he's one of the most intelligent men to have ever been on a sideline...

[Moe]

Okay, let me get this straight.

First, you accuse a man of being "intolerant and close-minded" with no supporting evidence.

He's openly opposed to most things homosexual, which taints my opinion of him as well.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4502-tony-dungy-on-homosexuality-bigotry-is-bigotry

[joethefan]

He's openly opposed to most things homosexual, which taints my opinion of him as well.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4502-tony-dungy-on-homosexuality-bigotry-is-bigotry


Well your opinion is tainted of many, many people my friend. If the Bible says it's sin, it's sin...

Dungy is only tying to follow what the WORD of GOD states. It amazes me how we can accept all other sins but when we comes to homosexuality which the Bible cleary states is sin, we get tainted views of others when they take a stand against it.

If someone sleeps around, cheats on his or her spouse, steals, or robs someone, it is ok to call that sin, but one that sleeps with the same sex or calls themselves other than what GOD made them through living that lifestyle, we don't call it as it should be SIN.

[cal_junior]

He's openly opposed to most things homosexual, which taints my opinion of him as well.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4502-tony-dungy-on-homosexuality-bigotry-is-bigotry

Perhaps this is a discussion for another forum, but this where I am at as well. It is hard to me to have any respect for those who are intolerant. It is a character flaw I can't get on board with.

[cal_junior]

Well your opinion is tainted of many, many people my friend. If the Bible says it's sin, it's sin...

Dungy is only tying to follow what the WORD of GOD states. It amazes me how we can accept all other sins but when we comes to homosexuality which the Bible cleary states is sin, we get tainted views of others when they take a stand against it.

If someone sleeps around, cheats on his or her spouse, steals, or robs someone, it is ok to call that sin, but one that sleeps with the same sex or calls themselves other than what GOD made them through living that lifestyle, we don't call it as it should be SIN.

The Bible also says you should be put to death if you work on the sabbath (Exodus 35:2).

Only the small-minded read the Bible literally.

[BigTex]

I'd rather get a coach who can consistently win important games. Dungy's teams tended to underachieve on the big stage.

I'd settle for the Burgundy and Gold just being a part of the big stage at this point. If a coach like Tony Dungy would willingly want to come here and step into this mess and could at least make us relevant again I'd take that and would welcome him with open arms. Anything is better than the nmediocre brand of football we've had to endure since the last Super Bowl win.

[Moe]

Well your opinion is tainted of many, many people my friend. If the Bible says it's sin, it's sin...

Indeed it is, and in many instances because of the many wacky things that the Bible says.

Dungy is only tying to follow what the WORD of GOD states. It amazes me how we can accept all other sins but when we comes to homosexuality which the Bible cleary states is sin, we get tainted views of others when they take a stand against it.

If someone sleeps around, cheats on his or her spouse, steals, or robs someone, it is ok to call that sin, but one that sleeps with the same sex or calls themselves other than what GOD made them through living that lifestyle, we don't call it as it should be SIN.

Call it whatever you want, it's still intolerance and the fact that a black man such as Dungy, who has undboutedly experienced similar intolerance for something beyond his control is the highest of ironies...and lunacy. By and large, he does seem a good man and a good coach, but I'm free to see this flaw in him and use it to factor into my opinion of him.

[shally]

Indeed it is, and in many instances because of the many wacky things that the Bible says.



Call it whatever you want, it's still intolerance and the fact that a black man such as Dungy, who has undboutedly experienced similar intolerance for something beyond his control is the highest of ironies...and lunacy. By and large, he does seem a good man and a good coach, but I'm free to see this flaw in him and use it to factor into my opinion of him.

i cant say for sure, but i would guess that Joe Gibbs and Dungy are very close in their religious philosophies..

my brothers, i think we need to put aside our personal feelings here
:Peace:

[cal_junior]

i cant say for sure, but i would guess that Joe Gibbs and Dungy are very close in their religious philosophies..

Perhaps, but the difference is that Dungy has chosen to align himself with particularly active groups (Indiana Family Institute) and be public about it.

Dungy has said he would take an openly gay player aside and tell him what the Bible says about sexuality. I can't even begin to explain how much that is not a football coach's business.

[shally]

Perhaps, but the difference is that Dungy has chosen to align himself with particularly active groups (Indiana Family Institute) and be public about it.

Dungy has said he would take an openly gay player aside and tell him what the Bible says about sexuality. I can't even begin to explain how much that is not a football coach's business.

i can agree with you totally on your last point.. still, i respect those who adhere to a strict code of ethics, even if i dont agree with some of those ethics..living by that code, and trying to convert someone to it is where i draw the line..i dont think that Dungy is one of the guys who try to de-program young people who have embraced the gay lifestyle.. i have immense respect for the difficulty of young people who are wrestling with their own concept of sexuality..

[Patrick]

Let's get back on topic please folks .......

[Farmer Ted]

Honestly, I don't know what is scarier: Zorn being retained next year, or Zorn being fired. Considering how well the coaching hire went last time around, you have to consider the distinct possibility that the Skins will actually be stuck with a worse head coach than Zorn if they fire him. That scares me. Even firing Vinny scares me, because the Skins could do worse. Without Vinny, it could just be Danny calling all of the shots. I wouldn't put it past him at all. Somehow, I just don't see the little general ever hiring an experienced GM and sitting back and counting his money. He might let the GM work independently for a year, but I suspect that Danny couldn't keep his sticky fingers out of the pot for any longer than that.

Long story short, I don't know what I want. I figure if the team wins 9 games somehow, then they should just go ahead with the status quo (even if that means keeping JC, who I seriously want to say goodbye to). I'm not convinced at all that any of the big name coaches will come here. Spags turned down DC, but accepted the Rams, for crying out loud.